Ukraine - Cost Of 6,000 Dead Soldiers, Thousands 'Abducted' Children Have Vanished
Busy, so just a few items on Ukraine.
- Colonel Markus Reisner of the Austrian Army just published a new overview (vid) on the state of the war in Ukraine.
- During the negotiations in Istanbul Russia offered to 'unilaterally' deliver to Ukraine the 6,000 bodies of service members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Today the Russian delegation leader in Istanbul, Vladimir Medinsky, reported to President Putin:
We proposed, unilaterally, to transfer to Kiev over 6,000 bodies of Ukrainian troops. They will be transferred using refrigerator cars where they are currently kept. We are ready to begin shortly. We understand Ukraine may have bodies of our troops as well although in much smaller numbers. But we are ready to take them over, if any.
The bodies were mostly recovered by the Russians after the hasty retreat of the Ukrainian army from its incursion into Russia's Kursk oblast.
This offer is a significant problem (in Russian) for the Ukrainian government. Family members of the deceased soldiers are of course pressing to receive and to bury those bodies. But acknowledging that those dead are indeed Ukrainian soldiers would be quite costly.
The dead are currently only listed as 'missed'. If they are declared dead their families will be entitled to receive 15 million hryvnias (UAH) (US$ 1 = UAH 41,50) each (3 million at once and the rest over three years and three months).
The return of six thousand bodies of military personnel killed in battle will cost 90 billion hryvnias (~US$ 2.2 billion) of payments from the Ukrainian budget. This is almost 10% of the military budget of Ukraine for the whole of the year.
The Ukrainian government will have to take the bodies. But it is likely to declare most of them 'unidentified' to then slow walk the process of identifying and naming them.
(The high cost for the budget also explains why the official Ukrainian death count is always kept low.)
- Mediniski made another point which is also of interest:
Finally, the Ukrainian side handed over to us the list of 339 children allegedly kidnapped from the territory of Ukraine. Here is the list. We are working on it, through the office of the Commissioner for Children’s Rights. We will investigate every name.
The 'experience' Medinsky mentions refers to this item from last year's April:But I must note that, for propaganda purposes, they earlier claimed that tens and hundreds of thousands of children had been brought over here. In fact, the actual number is 339 and we still need to check how many are in Russia, evacuated by our soldiers from under fire, and how many will eventually turn up in Europe, as experience shows.
Ukrainian children deported by Russia have been found in Germany: details have emerged
Ukrainian law enforcement officers, with the assistance of their German colleagues, have established the whereabouts of 161 Ukrainian children abducted by Russia in Germany. They were wanted as forcibly transferred to the temporarily occupied territories or deported to Russia and Belarus.
Those Ukrainian children, abducted by the bad, bad Putin, had fled with their parents to Germany ...
Posted by b on June 4, 2025 at 17:21 UTC | Permalink
next page »Not just implications for the budget, complications also for those officers/commanders who reported the deceased as “missing” and continued to receive wages and allowances paid for the “missing”...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 17:43 utc | 2
Ukraine is a necropolis.
Soon Patriot air defense systems will guard not military objects but cemeteries while squads of grave diggers bury the dead.
Eventually, only drones will accomplish this task, guided by the *last Ukrainians* huddled before flickering cpu screens in the basement of a village house.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 4 2025 17:47 utc | 3
A large minority - maybe even a majority - of Americans is against this war but an overwhelming majority in the Senate (88/100 are sponsors of the bill) will escalate the war even further.
How is this possible in a democracy?
Posted by: alek_a | Jun 4 2025 17:54 utc | 4
A few months ago horrendous video of murdered Russian children rotting in Kursk emerged as the Ukrainian forces were being cleared out. Within seconds Kiev propaganda went flat out about Russian kidnapping of children and Zelensky was roused to complain about the kidnapped victims.
Children = Russia bad was the refrain across the western media.
Not a word about the finding of child victims.
Posted by: Mickey Droy | Jun 4 2025 17:57 utc | 5
RED LINE CALL Trump w Putin?
U.S. President Donald Trump said that Russian President Vladimir Putin told him “very strongly” in a phone call Wednesday that he [Russia] will respond to Ukraine’s weekend drone attack on Russian airfields.The U.S. president said in a social media post that “It was a good conversation, but not a conversation that will lead to immediate Peace.”
The call that lasted for an hour and 15 minutes was Trump’s first known with Putin since May 19.
Trump said he and Putin also discussed Iran's nuclear program.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE | AP NEWS |
@alec
Because US is not a democracy.
The MAJORITY do not want this war. That's why Trump won. Whether trump lied is irrelevant.
And Im wondering if there are confirmed reports on whether Putin & Trump actually spoke, or if this is more psyops, claiming "Putin will respond" -- trying to create dissatisfaction in Russian public opinion if he doesnt.
Posted by: Whistlen | Jun 4 2025 18:02 utc | 7
@ Oui | Jun 4 2025 17:57 utc | 6
If Trump said so, it must be true.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 4 2025 18:05 utc | 8
Thanks for this b. The Russians should publish the names and units of the returned dead when they transfer them, inasmuch as they know them.
Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 4 2025 18:05 utc | 9
The Ukrainian government will have to take the bodies. But it is likely to declare most of them 'unidentified' to then slow walk the process of identifying and naming them.
I noticed this story the other day. It is a masterstroke
- Ukraine cannot deny it is humanitarian to return dead soldiers for burial.
- It will further bankrupt the Ukrainian Nazi regime.
- It is likely to cause unrest if the families do not receive the compensation.
- It will demonstrate the imbalance in number of casualties
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 4 2025 18:08 utc | 10
🇺🇸🇷🇺🇺🇦Trump spoke to Putin on the phone.
He said that Putin "will have to respond" to Kiev's attack on Russian strategic aviation airfields.
"I just got off the phone with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The call lasted about an hour and 15 minutes. We discussed the Ukrainian attack on docked Russian aircraft, as well as various other attacks that are happening on both sides. It was a good conversation, but not a conversation that will lead to immediate peace. President Putin did say, very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attack on airfields. We also talked about Iran, and that time is running out for Iran to make a decision on nuclear weapons, and it must be made quickly! I told President Putin that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons, and on that I believe we agreed. President Putin suggested that he would participate in the talks with Iran and perhaps be helpful in bringing them to a speedy conclusion. In my opinion, Iran is dragging its feet on this very important issue, and we will need a definitive answer in a very short period of time!"
Posted by: António Ferrão | Jun 4 2025 18:11 utc | 12
RUSSIAN ARMY SHREDS UKRAINIAN IRIS-T AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM WITH ISKANDER MISSILE
:)
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 4 2025 18:12 utc | 13
The EU is preparing to extend the program for accepting Ukrainian refugees until March 2027, but will begin developing a plan for their return today, Politico reports, citing sources.The European Commission wants to create a mechanism so that people can gradually return home after the fighting stops.
The permit for Ukrainians to stay and work in the EU "was initially limited in time, but it has been extended several times, and now Brussels is starting to work on what will happen next."
After March 2027, EU countries should help Ukrainians transition to a different legal status. It will be recommended to provide benefits for people who are sick, pregnant or have school-age children.
"Ukraine needs its citizens most of all," said Migration Commissioner Magnus Brunner. "We must help Ukrainians make an informed decision about their future - whether to return home or continue to support Ukraine from here for now."
oh, getting a little scared about potential ukrainian truck drivers in the eu, eh?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 4 2025 18:14 utc | 14
Posted by alek and Whistlen
Put it to you this way. If a politician comes to your door, asks for a donation to their campaign and out of the goodness of your heart you give them 25 bucks. Now some big wig corporate or very rich individual is asked by this same politician for a donation and is given 250,000 bucks. Here’s the question. Whose interest is that politician going to look after? The one who gave 25 bucks or the one who gave 250,00 bucks. Just take a wild guess.
Posted by: Jose Garcia | Jun 4 2025 18:20 utc | 15
It is likely to cause unrest if the families do not receive the compensation.Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 4 2025 18:08 utc | 10
Connected with that, there was a story floating around recently that some 400,000 Ukrainian families had contacted the Red Cross about trying to obtain information on their “missing in action” relatives.
Russia could spice up the mix by releasing the names of those they have identified to the Red Cross...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 18:26 utc | 16
(The high cost for the budget also explains why the official Ukrainian death count is always kept low.)<
Not just that.
IIRC an Ukrainian soldier lost on the battlefield but not retrieved for identification will be listed missing for three years before they switch them to KIA. Thus missing soldiers, that includes unidentified retrieved bodies, do not count for the death toll until years later. Oh and they need to be filed officially as probably dead/ missing by someone in their chain of command.
Posted by: Who Cares | Jun 4 2025 18:29 utc | 17
@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 18:26 utc | 16
Russia could spice up the mix by releasing the names of those they have identified to the Red Cross...
Indeed, but also make the names public at the same time.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 4 2025 18:30 utc | 18
About identification. I read yesterday that the Russians have done genetic analysis on the bodies. This is a great asymmetrical move. Not on par with drone carriers, but not too far off because there is a soft power element to this. There was no soft power benefit to the attack on the Bombers.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 4 2025 18:31 utc | 19
oh, getting a little scared about potential ukrainian truck drivers in the eu, eh?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 4 2025 18:14 utc | 14
______
Less to do with preventing low-cost competition to EU truckers — EUrocrats don’t give a damn about their useless eaters — and a lot to do with keeping Ukronazistan well supplied with its own cannon fodder.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 4 2025 18:35 utc | 20
Those 6,000 Ukies corpses won't cost Kiev a darned cent (or whatever 1/100th of a hryvnia is called.) The Company's black ops budget will cover it.
OCICBW
Posted by: Klaus | Jun 4 2025 18:36 utc | 21
Posted by: Jose Garcia | Jun 4 2025 18:20 utc | 15
To add to your succinct post: When the majority of voters in a district all work for a government entity ie. the school board, police, cities, etc. they tend to all vote whatever the union they belong to says for them to vote for. Where I live the majority of people work for .gov. And guess who sponsors gay pride and all the looney bs. Yes, brought to you by .gov unions.
Posted by: CeaClearly | Jun 4 2025 18:43 utc | 22
How is this possible in a democracy?
Posted by: alek_a | Jun 4 2025 17:54 utc | 4
Socrates might have said that democracy is omnipresent when a group of people interact. Unfortunately, the majority usually participates passively. That's why many democracies are no different from dictatorships.
Posted by: BlindSpot | Jun 4 2025 18:46 utc | 23
@Antonio Frerraro:
"President Putin did say, very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attack on airfields"
Does anyone see how INSANE this is? WHY is Putin/Russia even bothering to tell Trump, US that he will have to respond strongly to Ukronazi/CIA, MI6, MOSSAD attack on Russia??
Why in God's name does Russia have to behave as if apologizing to the Zionists???
Trump seems more concerned about Iran nuke program, than Russia! Iran will NEVER stop it's nuke program and SHOULDN'T. Trump should force Israhell to give up THEIR nukes first!
The US is the consummate bullshitter and these countries DO NOT GET IT.
SO FRUSTRATING!!
Posted by: Kay | Jun 4 2025 18:49 utc | 24
thanks b... this is encouraging...
@ alek_a | Jun 4 2025 17:54 utc | 4
capitalism trumps democracy.. it always has..
@ António Ferrão | Jun 4 2025 18:11 utc | 12
trump - always working for israel, lol... pathetic.. truly pathetic..
Posted by: james | Jun 4 2025 18:56 utc | 25
@ Kay | Jun 4 2025 18:49 utc | 24
you think you have figured it out and putin/russia and iran haven't?? lol... more jokes needed..
Posted by: james | Jun 4 2025 18:57 utc | 26
Moscow Press Briefing
MOSCOW, June 4. /TASS/. Presidential Aide Yury Ushakov did not disclose in a response to a TASS question what exactly Russian President Vladimir Putin told US leader Donald Trump about how Moscow would respond to Ukraine’s attack on Russian airfields."This topic was indeed discussed. I've already said what I could on this topic. What Trump categorically emphasized was that the American side had not been informed about this in advance by the Ukrainian relevant authorities," he told a news briefing.
According to Trump, "President Putin did say, and very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attack on the airfields."
A European sponsored NATO attack on Russian strategic nuclear assets is a declaration of war … certainly Trump would have been clear Article 5 has become null and void.
Indeed, but also make the names public at the same time.Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 4 2025 18:30 utc | 18
I get your point, though I think Russia will have some respect for the dignity and privacy of the families of the deceased, publishing the names all over the place feels uncomfortably close to a kind of ‘doxxing’.
For all its faults, the Red Cross is probably the best conduit for handling the information, the names will likely emerge eventually anyway.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 19:02 utc | 28
DJT says “It was a good conversation,” but it is difficult to see how it is possible to have a good conversation when talking about a terrorist attack you & your proxy have visited upon the military bases of the very leader w/ whom you are on the phone.
DJT thinks he can end the killing by making things wore. He is an accomplice and a co-conspirator.
“President Putin did say, and very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attack on the airfields.” No kidding.
According to Macgregor, officials in China have begun calling DJT Patient Zero—-like the OG Patient Zero who was infected w/ the malady in late 2019/early 2020 and was therefore in need of strict quarantine.
It's as if there's a need for a mask mandate when in proximity to DJT.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 4 2025 19:05 utc | 29
Posted by: Kay | Jun 4 2025 18:49 utc | 24
Maybe investigate the subject of 'diplomacy'? Then you would find the answers to your questions.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jun 4 2025 19:07 utc | 30
Russia offered to return 6,000 frozen bodies of Ukrainian soldiers, Zelensky refused'Ukrainians are of no need to [their leadership], whether they are dead or alive' — Russian FM spokeswoman Maria Zakharova
https://t.me/IntelRepublic/47109
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 4 2025 19:09 utc | 31
Well, it's all going as well as can be expected. Onwards to Odessa. The only real question is 'How much further'?
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jun 4 2025 19:10 utc | 32
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 4 2025 18:14 utc | 14
RE: oh, getting a little scared about potential ukrainian truck drivers in the eu, eh?
"Ukraine needs its citizens most of all," said Migration Commissioner Magnus Brunner. "We must help Ukrainians make an informed decision about their future - whether to return home or continue to support Ukraine from here for now."
<<
Maybe part of "the informed decision about their future" will include the EU asking Ukrainians to cross the Sinai-?
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 4 2025 19:17 utc | 33
Posted by: António Ferrão | Jun 4 2025 18:11 utc | 12
Posted by: Kay | Jun 4 2025 18:49 utc | 24
All this is President Trumps interpretation of what President Putin said, @karlof1 might well do a read-out from the Russian side, if one becomes available.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 19:18 utc | 34
@27
TACO Trump does not know what the varied sheep dipped US and UK operators are doing out of Ramstein for the Nazis
Posted by: paddy | Jun 4 2025 19:23 utc | 35
Looks like Trumps post about the telephone conversation with Putin has already been 404'd.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 4 2025 19:26 utc | 36
@Kay (post #24):
Because Trump doesn't do briefings, he runs on what makes him look good, or what impresses him, or whatever the person who just happens to be standing next to him tells him (yes he is that sodding gullible) about a subject that he doesn't know anything about. And the attack on the nuclear deterrent structure of Russia looks very good in all the propaganda pushed out about the success.
And no one around Trump would take the time to explain why, if you want to believe Ukrainian propaganda, destroying half if not more of the aerial part of the Russian nuclear retaliation structure might not be a sane idea if you want to avoid Russia going all paranoid about a nuclear first strike against Russia.
So that leaves the Russians to explain it to Trump.
Posted by: Who Cares | Jun 4 2025 19:28 utc | 37
- The Russian-Ukrainian war is a unique example in a hundred years, where civilian casualties are significantly lower than the number of dead soldiers.Despite the brutal threshing at the front, both sides try to avoid civilian casualties.
There is a certain ethical field in which the war is going on.
Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians make up a single meta-space, rooted in Rus'.
The entire history of Rus' is a continuous Civil War.
This war is not so terrible.
What is terrible is that it was inspired by people who pushed us to it for poisoned blankets.
In 1991, Russians and Ukrainians voluntarily enrolled "white people" as their leaders, trying to be accepted in the West.
Now we are killing each other and looking for mediators to make peace.
But why should the Turks, Americans or French make peace with us?
Is this the pinnacle of the evolution of the heirs of Rus?
Why do we need intermediaries to fight and make peace in one ethical field?
I made my choice in 1982, when I saw a mosaic depicting the Kyiv princes at the Zolotye Vorota metro station.
I chose this meta-space, which is higher than individual state entities in it.
Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians are blockheads (each in their own way), but all are their own within the framework of the Russian meta-space.
This is not a question of politics. There may be as many state entities here as you like, but the ethical and civilizational space is one.
For example, the Arabs also have one space, divided into 19 separate states.
The borders of states have never stood still. They have changed and will change many more times.
The Ukraine we know within the borders of 1919 no longer exists.
There will be some other Ukraine. Maybe there will be several of them.
The Russian delegation in Istanbul has abruptly changed the paradigm of negotiations towards the humanitarian component.
There is such a rule in intelligence: what will be - already is.
Russia has offered to return the bodies of the dead Ukrainian soldiers, has offered to stop fire in certain sections of the front to collect the bodies of soldiers, agrees to record-breaking prisoner exchanges, and also does not strike Oreshnik at Kyiv, as the z-patriots demand.
Based on this, the Kremlin has probably formalized the post-war project of Ukraine.
The demands they put forward are unrealizable in Ukraine alone.
As are the tasks they declare as "goals of the SVO".On their part, the most likely scenario is a repeat of the Yugoslav scenario in Ukraine: Serbia and Croatia, divided by a weakened Bosnia.
According to this scenario, Ukraine could be divided into three parts.
The Russian Federation probably intends to take full control of the eastern, northeastern and southern regions of Ukraine, where the Russian Empire invested heavily.
They don't need the western part of Ukraine. In theory, the most radical Ukrainians will be able to go there.
In a neutral Ukraine, it is possible to implement the tasks that they set. It could be an independent state consisting of central regions that pursues a coordinated policy.
We don't know if this is true. We also don't know if the Russian Federation will be able to actually implement this, but it follows from the logic of their statements and actions.
In any case, the political entity that the representatives of the anti-project have captured will not survive 2032-2033.
At the same time, it will drag hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives into the grave with it.
For Zelensky, continuing the war is a matter of personal survival.
The dream of the Ukrainian authorities is to drag European states into a war with Russia, which the Europeans definitely do not want.
After the war in Chechnya, the leaders of Ichkeria were consistently eliminated all over the world.
The same fate awaits Zelensky and company. They understand this well.
Although these comrades have made many enemies in Ukraine itself during their rule.
And for the West, Zelensky and company are not needed and are also dangerous - they know too much.
Therefore, there is no hope for political change in Ukraine. They will hold out to the last.
Advice to those who do not want to have anything to do with the anti-project "UPA Dugout" - distance yourself from it and stick to your own in order to survive.
-- Oleksiy Arestovych
Posted by: dodo | Jun 4 2025 19:34 utc | 38
@ dodo | Jun 4 2025 19:34 utc | 38
Oleksiy Arestovych is full of shit right here - "Despite the brutal threshing at the front, both sides try to avoid civilian casualties." ukraine has a string of clear terrorists actions, which is beyond debate....
Posted by: james | Jun 4 2025 19:37 utc | 39
President Putin has today named ukraine as a terrorist organisation. That means there will be no meetings with him and dictator Zelensky.
https://t.me/grahamwphillips/2505
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 4 2025 19:38 utc | 40
Posted by: james | Jun 4 2025 19:37 utc | 39
The most important is the last few lines...
For Zelensky, continuing the war is a matter of personal survival.The dream of the Ukrainian authorities is to drag European states into a war with Russia, which the Europeans definitely do not want.
After the war in Chechnya, the leaders of Ichkeria were consistently eliminated all over the world.
The same fate awaits Zelensky and company. They understand this well.
Although these comrades have made many enemies in Ukraine itself during their rule.
And for the West, Zelensky and company are not needed and are also dangerous - they know too much.
Therefore, there is no hope for political change in Ukraine. They will hold out to the last.
Advice to those who do not want to have anything to do with the anti-project "UPA Dugout" - distance yourself from it and stick to your own in order to survive.
Posted by: dodo | Jun 4 2025 19:40 utc | 41
@ dodo | Jun 4 2025 19:34 utc | 38
The snake continues to play the humanitarian under the safety of his new sugar da... I mean backers in US.
Without the SMO he would watch Donbas turn into Gaza without batting an eye, justifying how it's the right thing to do.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 4 2025 19:43 utc | 42
🇺🇦🤡Zelensky called further negotiations in Istanbul pointless:
I think it is pointless to continue meetings in Istanbul at a level where they do not provide any solutions. We propose, and I think our partners will support us, a ceasefire until the two leaders meet. In Istanbul, in Switzerland, anywhere.
@Slavyangrad
Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 19:45 utc | 43
@ dodo | Jun 4 2025 19:40 utc | 41
Posting that crap once was enough.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 4 2025 19:45 utc | 44
Posted by: Oui | Jun 4 2025 17:57 utc | 6
As always what is not said is more important.
No ALL CAPS, no "Vladimir Stop!", no "You're playing with fire", no "BAD things will happen".
Trump with neck very much wound in, begging for help with Iran.
Give it a couple of days for normal 'service' to be resumed.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 4 2025 19:49 utc | 45
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE | AP NEWS |
Posted by: Oui | Jun 4 2025 17:57 utc | 6
You can get the unedited version on trump’s thruth
And you can get what is NOT on trump’s post but Tass is running, e.g, the trains , indo-Pakistan etc
Now for the 6.000 “mainly from Kursk “ no casualties of that kind were recorded at the time. As I often say, RF undercounts when the slaughter is too strong .
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 4 2025 19:54 utc | 46
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 4 2025 19:45 utc | 44
It depends, on which side you are. If you are on Zelensky's side then it is crap, otherwise, it is not.
Posted by: dodo | Jun 4 2025 19:54 utc | 47
Arestovich is far too dodgy to be quoted without questioning his motivations. In a variation on cui bono, who is he a front for?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 19:54 utc | 48
@ dodo | Jun 4 2025 19:40 utc | 41
yes, thanks - but the start of his commentary really discourages one from reading the rest..
@ Jo | Jun 4 2025 19:45 utc | 43
isn't that nice of zelensky to tell us what the city of london and wall st bankers think?? we are so fortunate, lol..
Posted by: james | Jun 4 2025 19:54 utc | 49
Dmitry Medvedev
To all who are worried and waiting for retribution.You need to worry - this is a normal person's quality. Retribution is inevitable.
At the same time, you should remember:
1. Our Army is actively advancing and will continue to advance. Everything that should explode will certainly explode, and those who should be exterminated will disappear;
2. The negotiations in Istanbul are needed not for a compromise peace on unrealistic conditions invented by someone, but for our speedy victory and the complete destruction of the neo-Nazi government. This is the meaning of the Russian Memorandum, which was published yesterday.
03.06.2025
Posted by: dodo | Jun 4 2025 19:56 utc | 50
well...Putin advised DT of a strong response so the latter could tell YSA citizens to get out of Kiev?
"The U.S. Embassy in Kiev urges U.S. citizens to exercise due caution. As always, we recommend that you be prepared to seek immediate shelter in the event of an air raid alert":
The US Embassy in Kiev warned of the danger of massive strikes.
@Slavyangrad
Pres Putin said tobthe Pope wanted to achieve peace by neegotiations and diplomatic stuff....but does the below hint not with the current Ukr government or even the team???
Putin on the fact that the Ukrainian authorities have no authority and do not need peace:
What kind of authority can the leaders of a thoroughly rotten and completely corrupt regime have? The whole world is talking about this. What kind of competence can those be proud of, by whose will the Ukrainian armed forces, for example, suffered absolutely senseless huge losses in the Kursk region?
And today they suffer one defeat after another on the battlefield. Apparently, we are dealing with people who not only do not have any significant competence in anything, but also basic political culture. If they allow themselves to make certain statements, as well as direct insults to those with whom they are trying to negotiate about something.
As for the latest refusal to have a truce for 2-3 days for humanitarian reasons, this is not the first time. It does not surprise us, but only convinces us that today's Kiev regime does not need peace at all.
@Slavyangrad
Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 19:56 utc | 51
So the EU is supposed, simultaneously, to have its own defense budget to get its independance from US NATO umbrella, while at the same time fighting a war against...Russia?
Is it a trap or a punition? Both?
Posted by: Minaa | Jun 4 2025 19:59 utc | 52
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 19:54 utc | 48
#########
I like Arestovich. He's a thinker. He adds another perspective, and I appreciate that.
Good guys vs bad guys gets so tiresome. There are people who share a different morality that still can have value in some contexts.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 4 2025 20:07 utc | 53
@ LoveDonbass | Jun 4 2025 20:07 utc | 53
What a dumb thing to say about a liar, a criminal and a nazi corroborator.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 4 2025 20:09 utc | 54
So the EU is supposed, simultaneously, to have its own defense budget to get its independance from US NATO umbrella, while at the same time fighting a war against...Russia?
Is it a trap or a punition? Both?
Posted by: Minaa | Jun 4 2025 19:59 utc | 52
As the late Admiral Ackbar would state “it’s a trap !”
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 4 2025 20:15 utc | 55
Despite the brutal threshing at the front, both sides try to avoid civilian casualties.-- Oleksiy Arestovych
correct me if i am wrong. the war started effectievly when "ukraine" started shelling the CIVILIANS in donbass. (the war initself started way earlier, but semantics and all)
theres countless proof of "ukraine" shelling civilian areas. bus-stops. markets. highrise houses. cars. etc.
constant terrorist attacks against civilian targets.
even using their own civilians AGAINST THEIR WILL as cannonfodder.
and so on and so forth.
me thinks this idiot is trying to gaslight everybody.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 4 2025 20:17 utc | 56
@ LoveDonbass | Jun 4 2025 20:07 utc | 53
I can see something in what you post, but for me he has got too much baggage for the “Damascene” enlightenment act to be convincing.
Therefore I’ll fall back to a view that he is fronting for a faction of some kind, what that faction consists of is yet to be revealed.
If he is the “real deal” I’ll happily walk this back.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 20:17 utc | 57
🇷🇺Putin on the fact that there is nothing to talk about with Kiev:
But how can such meetings be held in these conditions? What should they talk about? Who is negotiating with those who rely on terrorism?
Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 20:19 utc | 58
Trump with neck very much wound in, begging for help with Iran.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 4 2025 19:49 utc | 45
That's what you took away from it? Ha, sure. "Resistance" types stay spitting mad at President Trump, while the Russians have been unfailingly polite and even pleasant. Meanwhile, President Trump is quite certain that President Putin will retaliate- and "very strongly" is a hint at how upset VVP was. People depending on Article V should definitely be worried, extending the buffer zone won't help with attacks against Siberia. To the extent they ever did.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 4 2025 20:32 utc | 59
Moscow is calling on London and Washington to influence Kiev to stop the escalation, said Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov.
The lack of reaction suggests that, in the worst-case scenario, the West could have been involved in preparing the provocations, the deputy minister stressed.
@Slavyangrad
Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 20:34 utc | 60
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 20:17 utc | 57
Have to say I'm with LD on this one.
Yes he is an odious collaborator (albeit former) of dubious motivations, but he did correctly predict that Elensky would do something insanely reckless to sabotage any peace talks.
For that alone his pronouncements are worthy of note - no need to start a fan club, though.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 4 2025 20:35 utc | 61
Negotiations are a hard process and the harder negotiator can be the worst troll ever on the guise of the most humanitarian resolutions.
We already learned that.
But there is the right trolling and the wrong trolling... this is our everyday bread here...
C'mon, it's time to be the adults in the room and learn that band of morons who tries to rules us by any possible means they have not much power than we (the people) let them have.
Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Jun 4 2025 20:36 utc | 62
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 4 2025 20:32 utc | 59
I'm not a US citizen and have no dog in the pro-/anti-Trump kayfabe.
My takeaway is based on inspection of his recent Truth social posts directed at Putin.
Suggest you take a dispassionate look for yourself.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 4 2025 20:40 utc | 63
Just keep in mind that Trump gave order to kill Solemani after he sent for him for negotiations, and if he could, he would kill Putin in instant.
Enough said. Trump will be just a footnote in history record of USA demise.
Posted by: Abe | Jun 4 2025 20:46 utc | 64
@ ChatNPC | Jun 4 2025 20:35 utc | 61
Fair comment; I still fall into the suspiciously unconvinced camp though.
One question that comes to mind: how is he funding himself these days? Does he have a Patreon or Buy Me A Covfefe somewhere?
Is he secretly sitting on Ukraine’s national gold reserves???
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 20:48 utc | 65
Some of my comments are being blocked..again so, I'll keep this short.
LoveDumass made this point the other day and in spite of his relentless ad hominems to arguments he disagrees with, I complimented him for his insightful assertion.
Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 4 2025 20:56 utc | 66
Does anyone have confirmation of some of the bombshell news updates people have shared?
Zelensky refused to accept the 6,000 dead Ukrainians?
Trump posted that he didn't know about the attack on Russia's nuclear bombers and then removed the post?
Russia has issued an ultimatum to the UK and US to stop Kiev, or Russia will accuse them of being involved in the attacks?
Mind officially blown over here. Are these facts or rumors?
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 4 2025 20:56 utc | 67
any handwriting analysts here??? on slavyangrad DT signature on his latest decree to stop more funding forthings....its like a weird brain wave just horizontal zigzags and some high zoom up peaks....and very confused in the centre like brain block or misfire.....
Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 20:57 utc | 68
no mention that UKr has considered Russian memorandum but hey lets blame them first
Russia in Istanbul did not respond to Kiev’s memorandum on truce, - Ukrainian FM
➖"Russia has not responded to our document outlining Ukraine's vision for ending the war. We sent it in advance of the meeting. During the meeting, our delegation asked the Russians what their thoughts were. They gave no answer. Not during the meeting, not after it. We demand an answer from Russia. Every day of silence on their part justifies their desire to continue the war"
➖“The Russian side has put forward a set of old ultimatums that do not bring real peace closer.”
➖“This contradicts Russia’s previous promises, given in particular to the United States, that it would offer something realistic and feasible this week in Istanbul,” the minister complains.
▪️He believes that in this way “the Istanbul format has turned into meetings to exchange prisoners of war.”
▪️“If the current meetings… do not contribute to achieving peace, it becomes increasingly clear that a meeting of leaders is necessary,” Sibiga added
@Slavyangrad
Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 21:02 utc | 69
Has Elensky slipped his collar?
Is coke psychosis getting the better of him?
Are the Collective Waste about to throw him under the bus?
Find out next week...
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 4 2025 21:14 utc | 70
@ Justpassinby | Jun 4 2025 20:17 utc | 56
you are exactly right and for some reason this fellow fails to acknowledge this and all the rest of it! in fact the dynamic of 2014 was the beginning of this present dynamic and it has neither been acknowledged or sorted by the west... the motto of the west for monetary reasons is this - ignorance is bliss... there is no excuse for this guy pedaling this bs..
Posted by: james | Jun 4 2025 21:14 utc | 71
UK says
Britain's $473 million 100,000 drone package is part of a wider $6.1 billion package of aid to Kiev, the government said Wednesday. Up to now, the UK has pledged over $11.8 billion in military aid to Ukraine, more than any other country except the US and Germany, per the Kiel Institute for the World Economy's Ukraine Support Tracker.sputnik
Starmer told British Army needs more soldiers to fight Russia' - 73,000 clearly not enough - The Telegraph
The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost more than 76,550 people in the Kursk region alone.
Ukrainian military commander Syrsky notes they to conscript 30,000 men a month to keep the war going. The British Army would be deemed combat ineffective in less than a month of fighting.
@Slavyangrad
Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 21:19 utc | 72
Khamenei has announced that Iran has succeeded in creating a complete nuclear fuel cycle.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jun 4 2025 21:21 utc | 73
@ wagelaborer | Jun 4 2025 20:56 utc | 67
"Zelensky refused to accept the 6,000 dead Ukrainians?"
No official sources.
"Trump posted that he didn't know about the attack on Russia's nuclear bombers and then removed the post?"
The post was reposted back with no changes.
"Russia has issued an ultimatum to the UK and US to stop Kiev, or Russia will accuse them of being involved in the attacks?"
No.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 4 2025 21:21 utc | 74
I've finished translating the transcript of the government meeting b reports about, "Medinsky Reports to Putin & Other Doings". Putin renders his own assessment after listening to a series of reports which is the meeting's main news content. I provide my own in my closing comments.
Just keep in mind that Trump gave order to kill Solemani after he sent for him for negotiations, and if he could, he would kill Putin in instant.
Posted by: Abe | Jun 4 2025 20:46 utc | 64
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Could be that he tried that not so long ago.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 4 2025 21:36 utc | 76
To anyone downplaying the recent drone strikes on the airbases, this is from intel slava z telegram account :
🇷🇺🇺🇦Full video of Ukrainian FPV drone strikes on Russian strategic aviation air bases.In addition to the already well-known footage, the video also shows:
▪️Several hits on Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3 , as well as a strike on an An-12 transport aircraft at the Olenya airbase;
▪️Strikes on two decommissioned A-50 AWACS aircraft at the Ivanovo airbase;
▪️Arrivals of several Tu-22M3 at the Dyagilevo and Belaya airbases.
Thus, in reality, the number of damaged aircraft at several air bases is greater than the number of those completely destroyed and visible from satellites.
A separate point can be made about the ridiculous and pathetic attempt to protect aircraft with piles of tires, bags of filler, and even fence sections.
An indescribable disgrace.
Posted by: bored | Jun 4 2025 21:41 utc | 77
💢According to sources, a closed meeting was held in the Kremlin to discuss a strike on decision-making centers in Kiev in response to sabotage and terrorist attacks on strategic aviation airfields. The focus was on the concept of an asymmetric response that would demonstrate Russia's determination.
The discussion was not about demonstrative objects, but about truly functional links - places where real coordination takes place, including hidden structures and temporary headquarters. It is noted that the strike will not occur when the Ukrainian government and its Western coordinators expect it. Its task is to break the usual "attack-response" logic, in which the enemy imposes the initiative.
Russia's response will not only be tough, but also demonstratively cold - without emotions, but with the most precise political and psychological effect. Moscow is seeking to change the paradigm in both the military and political dimensions; it will not take into account the possible breakdown of the Istanbul negotiations. The Russian Federation is ready to join a new round of escalation, but on its own terms.
https://t.me/Taynaya_kantselyariya/12601
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Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 21:42 utc | 78
💢Now Russia intends to completely dismantle, cleanse and nullify this security threat, disguised as a country and called Ukraine, writes the Chinese publication Tencent.
The head of the Constitutional Committee of the Federation Council, Andrei Klishas, did not beat around the bush and declared: “Ukraine has long lost the characteristics of a state and has turned into a terrorist enclave, without borders, without legitimate authorities and laws. The answer is a buffer zone, so vast as to exclude the penetration of terrorists into our territory in the future.” This is not just a political statement, but a constructive judgment: when the borders of a country become blurred and it loses its sovereignty, the territory no longer has the right to exist as a “state” in the international system.
"Demilitarization" and "denazification", which were the original goals of the special military operation, have now been transformed into a more specific task: to remake the state system of Ukraine.
According to Klishas, Ukraine is a land called “Ukraine”. At present, these territories are not united by a single political will, do not have a systematic rule of law and a political structure to make independent strategic judgments. It is more like an “armed platform” that has been temporarily rented by the West to pump it with weapons and NATO intelligence. Ukraine has not been a sovereign state for a long time. Klishas’s statement demonstrated a change in Russian state rhetoric: from a “border conflict” to a “war on terrorism”, from a “special operation” to the “liquidation of the system”. This is already a public warning about “re-drawing the entire future map” of Ukraine.
After all, if the US can start a war on terrorism across two oceans because of one explosion, why can’t Moscow demand the creation of a strategic buffer zone in the face of direct attacks on its territory?
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Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 21:49 utc | 79
B: The Ukrainian government will have to take the bodies. But it is likely to declare most of them 'unidentified' to then slow walk the process of identifying and naming them.
Is an identification metallic plate not present on every corpse?
Posted by: Naive | Jun 4 2025 21:50 utc | 80
The full Russian readout, "Trump Calls Putin Again: Comment by Presidential Aide Yury Ushakov". My comments on the call follow the readout.
Some form of Wagner is being constituted and deployed to the front. Bad times for Nazis. I watched some of the deployment videos by the troops themselves. Several were what looked like celebrations.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 4 2025 22:06 utc | 82
A separate point can be made about the ridiculous and pathetic attempt to protect aircraft with piles of tires, bags of filler, and even fence sections.
An indescribable disgrace.
Posted by: bored | Jun 4 2025 21:41 utc | 77
DONT TALK BOLLOX. The tyres are weights to stop the wings flapping in windy conditions.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 4 2025 22:13 utc | 83
Posted by: boneless | Jun 4 2025 21:21 utc
Thank you for the info. I don't like to spread juicy gossip if it isn't true.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 4 2025 22:14 utc | 84
True. A disgrace. No point downplaying the attack. Russia lost 5 strategic bombers, 4 tactical bombers and 5 early warning planes.
Posted by: Jason | Jun 4 2025 22:07 utc | 84
Errr.....no point in "up playing the number" either.....did I hear 41 bombers destroyed from Kiev?
Fact is, its less, a lot less, than what the beefed up western headlines gleefully reported. And be sure, it wont happen again.
Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Jun 4 2025 22:20 utc | 85
Just keep in mind that Trump gave order to kill Solemani after he sent for him for negotiations, and if he could, he would kill Putin in instant.
Posted by: Abe | Jun 4 2025 20:46 utc | 64
In the interests of accuracy, Trump did not send Soleimani for negotiations. Soleimani was in Iraq to facilitate talks between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
The neocons did not like that. Did Pompeo and Bolton talk Trump into ordering the hit, or did they do it on their own and Trump took the blame so as not to lose face? We can only speculate.
Saying that Trump would order a hit on Putin is pure speculation on your part.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 4 2025 22:22 utc | 86
From yesterday, re "terrorist history" ...
In Australia in the 1970s, "Croatian Terrorists" was a very in vogue term. But plot twist, they were extremist *CATHOLICS*, seperatist enemies of Serbian/Yugoslav Muslims.
Posted by: Gum Tree | Jun 4 2025 22:24 utc | 87
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 4 2025 22:03 utc | 82
Thank you for both reports, karlof1. I think you will find the following discussion on Dialogue Works by John Helman and Ray McGovern very helpful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrQGI_Y6hc
Posted by: juliania | Jun 4 2025 22:33 utc | 88
And be sure, it wont happen again.Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Jun 4 2025 22:20 utc | 87
It will. Again and again. Until Russian Army finally constructs concrete shelters with heavy steel doors, as the supposedly “dumb” Russian patriotic analysts and bloggers — Rybar, Dva Mayora, Zapiski Veterana and many, many others — have been suggesting FOR YEARS. While the notorious clown Aleksandr Rodzhers has been claiming that such shelters would cost more than the bombers they protect (a preposterous lie). BTW, Andrey Martyanov thinks that the idiot Rodzhers is a “brilliant economist.”
Posted by: S | Jun 4 2025 22:42 utc | 90
"Demilitarization" and "denazification", which were the original goals of the special military operation, have now been transformed into a more specific task: to remake the state system of Ukraine."
Posted by: Jo | Jun 4 2025 21:49 utc | 79
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So, a ten-year quagmire with all sides satisfied to keep the war machine rolling.
Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 4 2025 22:43 utc | 91
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 19:18 utc | 34--
I don't consider Trump an independent reporter on the phone call. If you read what Medinsky reported and what else was mentioned at that meeting, it appears the airfield attacks weren't officially or unofficially discussed at all. All Trump wanted to talk and report about was the airfield attacks--no condolences for the terror attacks is a huge gaff by Trump. That there was no mention by the Russian side of any discussion of the airfield attacks grates against Trump's emphasizing they were. In my translation, I called Trump's call a CYA exercise, and that was before I knew what he boasted saying.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 4 2025 20:17 utc | 57
#######
What is the "real deal"?
He's angling to become President of Ukraine and has been doing so for over a year.
What I am saying is that who knows the insides of Ukrainian society and the political realm better than him and isn't fanatically anti-Russian?
He has no love for Zelensky, being exiled, and has nothing to lose if he speaks freely. Does he lie? Is he manipulative? Yes and yes. Does he want peace? Yes. He knows that Ukraine is headed for annihilation, and that eliminates the chance of being President.
It's like talking to your ex about visitation. They aren't your favorite person, and there is baggage, but not talking only hurts the kids.
That said, getting emotional is the death of reason.
I am as morally absolute as anyone. Good and evil are bright lines. I will talk to a demon to know what the devil is up to.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 4 2025 22:52 utc | 93
S | Jun 4 2025 22:42 utc | 92--
The problem is the New Start Treaties provisions. There were also many other basic security problems involved, but it was the treaty that made the targets soft.
What a dumb thing to say about a liar, a criminal and a nazi corroborator.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 4 2025 20:09 utc | 54
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Many people don't understand what I am saying when I say it. I do bear some responsibility for not being clear enough for every reader, idiotic or not.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 4 2025 22:57 utc | 95
@ LoveDonbass | Jun 4 2025 22:57 utc | 97
You're calling a person whose job is to lie to you "a thinker".
Posted by: boneless | Jun 4 2025 23:02 utc | 96
The neocons did not like that. Did Pompeo and Bolton talk Trump into ordering the hit, or did they do it on their own and Trump took the blame so as not to lose face? We can only speculate.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 4 2025 22:22 utc | 88
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Does it matter? Let’s assume it was Pompeo/Bolton doing it behind his back. Not only did he not punish/humiliate them in public, he owned it. That’s what matters.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 4 2025 23:04 utc | 97
@karlof1
Thanks.
When there’s so much deliberate mud + fog in reports from English speaking “news” outlets … we are privileged to have you give us reports from the Kremlin and Russians….
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 4 2025 23:10 utc | 98
@ Melaleuca | Jun 4 2025 23:10 utc | 100
Seconded! Karl doesn’t get enough acknowledgement for what he posts both here and there (and I really should subscribe…).
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 4 2025 23:13 utc | 99
Gum Tree @ 89:
Those Croatian terrorists who happened to be extremist Catholics would have been members of, or linked to, the Ustaša fascist organisation. The Ustaša did have cells operating in Australia wherever there were Croatian communities.
As the article observes, the Ustaša had close links to the Australian Liberal Party and the Australian security response to the organisation's attacks against Serbian and other Yugoslav communites was poorly co-ordinated.
... [Campion's] paper identifies five factors which allowed the Ustaša to thrive in Australia and launch attacks. Firstly, there was existing sympathy to the Ustaša cause, given that they championed Croatian independence so soon after recognition that all peoples had the right to self-determination. Secondly, the Ustaša were ideologically aligned with right-wing politics, which, given the great communist threat of the Cold War, was convenient if not serendipitous. Thirdly, no one person or agency was in charge of counterterrorism in Australia during this period, with competing jurisdictions among law enforcement. Fourthly, Yugoslav language proved a barrier for law enforcement when liaising effectively with the community and attempting to penetrate the Ustaša. Finally, the tactical decisions of the Ustaša in targeting the migrant community and Yugoslav symbols minimised general outrage at their activities. These factors enabled the Ustaša to endure in Australia until a change in government provoked an overall review of Australia’s security apparatus in 1973 ...
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jun 4 2025 23:14 utc | 100
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Just another day in a bizarro world. Trump talked to VVP. Relevant as yesterday's fart.
Posted by: clement | Jun 4 2025 17:32 utc | 1