Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 12, 2025
Trump’s Attempt To Scare Monger Iran Into Nuclear Restrictions Will Fail

There is some noise that an Israeli and/or U.S. attack on Iran is imminent. I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran and not as serious war planning.

Israel wants the U.S. to destroy Iran. It would be the last of the seven countries in five years plan of destruction the U.S. had activated, with Israel's prodding, in 2003.

President Donald Trump wants to avoid a war with Iran. He has nothing to gain from it. But he is under pressure by the Zionist lobby. Instead of bombing Iran he would prefer to shut down its civil nuclear program. Its existence makes Iran a latent nuclear weapon state. Iran denies that it is striving to get nuclear weapons. U.S. intelligence has found that Iran has no current program that would lead to weapon capabilities.

It was Trump who in 2018 withdrew the U.S. from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) which had limited Iran's nuclear industry and had put it under strict surveillance. Iran waited a year before it took retaliatory measure by increasing its enrichment of nuclear fuel and by decreasing its cooperation with the inspectors of the IAEA who are supervising Iran's adherence to the JCPOA.

With Trump back in office he set out to push Iran towards a new agreement that would, he hoped, eliminate all enrichment of nuclear fuel in Iran. There is no chance to achieve that. Nuclear enrichment is an inalienable right of all nation under the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and Iran insists on not being blocked from it.

Trump decided on a two pronged strategy. He would push the IAEA and the European co-signers of the JCPOA to condemn Iran with the perspective of reestablishing UN mandated sanction on Iran. He would also offer Iran a new kind of JCPOA to again limit its nuclear development abilities.

Trump had sent out his envoy Steve Witkoff to push Iran towards a new agreement. He however mangled the constrains Iran should agree to. Witkoff told the Iranians that they would be allowed to enrich Uranium to 3.6% as needed for a civil nuclear reactor. A few days later Trump ordered that to be 0% – i.e. no enrichment at all. This went back and forth several times.

The JCPOA was a very fine balanced and very technical agreement that took many months to conclude. Trumps offer to Iran is a "dollar-store-JCPOA", incomplete and with many clauses Iran would never agree to.

Trump has made negotiations even more difficult when he publicly demanded Iran to surrender completely:

The president outlined his vision for a new agreement during a White House presser on Wednesday, calling for a “very strong document” that would effectively give Washington carte blanche over Tehran’s nuclear energy program.

“I want it very strong – where we can go in with inspectors, we can take whatever we want, we can blow up whatever we want, but [with] nobody getting killed,” he told reporters. “We can blow up a lab, but nobody is gonna be in the lab, as opposed to everybody being in the lab and blowing it up.”

He did not elaborate on those remarks, however, leaving it unclear whether Washington had actually pushed for such major concessions at the negotiating table. The Islamic Republic would be unlikely to accept a deal under those terms.

Iran had answered appropriately (archived):

The Trump administration over the weekend proposed the outline of a deal that would seem to allow Iran to continue enriching uranium, which had been a sticking point in talks — but only temporarily. With talks at an impasse, the proposal was seen as a potential concession that could open a path to compromise.

In his first public remarks since the proposal was reported on, Ayatollah Khamenei said that Iran’s “response to the U.S. government’s nonsense is clear.”

He said in a speech that it would be “useless” for Iran to build nuclear power plants without being able to enrich uranium over the long term, framing the U.S. proposal as an attempt to obstruct Iran’s nuclear industry and self-reliance.

With no prospect of a deal in the making the attention turned to the second leg of Trump's strategy.

The way to reinstate UN sanctions on Iran, as they had existed before the JCPOA, is also a complicate business. But here pressure on the relevant actors has allowed Trump to proceed.

The head of the IAEA regularly reports to the IAEA Board of Governors about its verification and monitoring of nuclear issues in Iran.

In his latest report the IAEA's General Director Rafael Grossi repeated 20+ years old well known facts but came to new 'conclusions' about them:

While many of the findings relate to activities dating back decades and have been made before, the IAEA report's conclusions were more definitive. It summarised developments in recent years and pointed more clearly towards coordinated, secret activities, some of which were relevant to producing nuclear weapons.

It also spelled out that Iran's cooperation with IAEA continues to be "less than satisfactory" in "a number of respects". The IAEA is still seeking explanations for uranium traces found years ago at two of four sites it has been investigating. Three hosted secret experiments, it found.

The IAEA has concluded that "these three locations, and other possible related locations, were part of an undeclared structured nuclear programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s and that some activities used undeclared nuclear material", the report said.

Iran insists that nothing nuclear ever had happened at those sites and that if any traces of radioactive materials had been found there they must have been planted.

Iran has by the way serious reasons to not trust Grossi:

The Cradle @TheCradleMedia – 11:01 UTC · Jun 12, 2025

BREAKING | Leaked documents released by Iranian media reportedly reveal that International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi has been fully coordinating with Israel and carrying out its directives.

These files are part of the sensitive intelligence cache Iran recently seized from Israel.
pics

Following Grossi's latest report the U.S. proxies at the IAEA Board of Governors declared Iran to be in breach of its obligations:

The U.N. nuclear watchdog's 35-nation Board of Governors declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations on Thursday for the first time in almost 20 years, raising the prospect of reporting it to the U.N. Security Council.

Diplomats at the closed-door meeting said the board passed the resolution submitted by the United States, Britain, France and Germany with 19 countries in favour, 11 abstentions and three states – Russia, China and Burkina Faso – against.

The text, seen by Reuters, declares Iran in breach of its obligations given a damning report the IAEA sent to member states on May 31.

"The Board of Governors… finds that Iran's many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to provide the Agency with full and timely cooperation regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple undeclared locations in Iran … constitutes non-compliance with its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the Agency," the text said.

A central issue is Iran's failure to provide the IAEA with credible explanations of how uranium traces detected at undeclared sites in Iran came to be there despite the agency having investigated the issue for years.

The chutzpah is strong in this. The U.S., UK, Germany and France accuse Iran of non compliance with the JCPOA which the U.S. had shredded in 2018 and which the Europeans refused to abide to when they kept export restrictions on Iran.

This all because of alleged traces of nuclear material found at places that had allegedly been used more than twenty years ago.

There was no reason for Grossi to put this out now or for the Board of Governors to react to it but pressure from the U.S. to rebuild a path towards UN sanctions.

Iran immediately reacted, as it had previously announced, to the Board's finding:

Iran has condemned a “politically-motivated” resolution adopted by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors, saying it will build a new enrichment facility in a secure location.

The new site will replace the first-generation enrichment machines at Fordow nuclear facility with advanced sixth-generation ones, it emphasized.

The next step is for one of the European co-signers of the JCPOA to push the Board of Governors resolution to the UN Security Council. This could lead to a re-activation of international sanctions on Iran which had been suspended under UN resolution 2231 when it endorsed the JCPOA.

Iran has said that it would respond to such a step by leaving the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That would allow Iran, after a year, to peruse nuclear weapons without any legal restrictions.

In parallel to the IAEA action a well coordinated information campaign was launched to create the impression of an imminent attack on Iran:

Setting everyone on edge and grasping for insight, the Trump administration issued evacuation orders for non-essential personnel at the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, and its diplomatic facilities in Bahrain and Kuwait on Wednesday.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also reportedly told FOX News that there would be voluntary departure for dependents of military personnel serving in the Central Command (CENTCOM) area of operations across the Middle East.

Meanwhile, the UK's Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO), a British maritime security agency, issued its own "unusual" warning, citing “increasing regional tension” that could pose threats to ships in the region.

By Wednesday night, the media was speculating widely that the administration is worried about an imminent strike by Israel on Iran. Asked about the developments at a Kennedy Center event, Trump acknowledged that U.S. citizens were being moved out of the Middle East, saying “it could be a dangerous place. … We’ve given notice to move out; we’ll see what happens.”

“We are watching and worried,” one senior diplomat in the region told the Washington Post. “We think it’s more serious than any other time in the past.”

All this is to give the impression that Israel is out of control:

Israel is considering taking military action against Iran — most likely without U.S. support — in the coming days, even as President Donald Trump is in advanced discussions with Tehran about a diplomatic deal to curtail its nuclear program, according to five people with knowledge of the situation.

Israel has become more serious about a unilateral strike on Iran as the negotiations between the United States and Iran appear closer to a preliminary or framework agreement that includes provisions about uranium enrichment that Israel views as unacceptable.

Details about the Israeli discussions emerged before the International Atomic Energy Agency's board of governors formally found that Iran isn’t complying with its nuclear obligations for the first time in 20 years.

Israel does not have the means to attack Iran. Bombing Iran's nuclear facilities effectively is extremely challenging. Even their destruction would only delay, not hinder Iran from pursuing whatever nuclear program it likes.

The rumors of an attack on Iran are most likely just scaremongering to press Iran into agreeing to Trump's nonsensical demands of restrictions for its nuclear program. Iran is unlikely to fall for this.

Anything Israel might try unilaterally would be for the sole purpose of drawing the U.S. into a war with Iran.

Trump wants lower oil prices and freedom to pursue his domestic agenda. I strongly doubt that he will allow Israel to pull him into a war as there is nothing to win for him.

Comments

@ Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 5:43 utc | 478
Iran needs to do what Ansar Allah would do. What WE would do. This is a war against evil. Show no mercy.
They have so many missiles and drones. Show us what they can do. Shoot down the refueling planes. Do not listen to Russia and China when they start talking about restraining. Any Arab country that opens up its air space for the evil colony and its friends needs to be hit too. Go all out. Bomb bomb bomb.
Destroy the air bases where Israel colony stores its planes that hit Gaza. Destroy the land corridors with Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Show no mercy.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 6:41 utc | 501

Iran should refer to the eternal wisdom of 1989’s Road House
“I have seen his kind many times.
He keeps taking and taking until somebody takes him”

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Jun 13 2025 6:51 utc | 502

Destroy the air bases where Israel colony stores its planes that hit Gaza. Destroy the land corridors with Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Show no mercy.
Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 6:41 utc | 511
None of that is going to work.
What people need to understand is that there is no such thing as “civilian infrastructure” in ‘israel’.
Tel Aviv is the intelligence core of israel. It appears at first glance to be a civilian area.
It is anything but.
What Iran needs to do is level the ‘civilian’ intelligence complex concentrated in Tel Aviv.
The true enemy of Iran is not the IDF/IAF/IOF – it’s the intelligence services of israel, masquerading behind the civilian cover.
Neutralise Tel Aviv and israel is done.
(And no, the Samson Option is not a counter-argument here, Iran faces the existential abyss regardless)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 6:54 utc | 503

Alexander Mercouris read the signals dead right:
https://youtu.be/cJXHLsJOPuQ?si=j5dRNmNACaET-kdQ
Sharp guy, that old Greek.
Slow, but Sharp.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 6:57 utc | 504

The Axis of Resistance is thoroughly infiltrated. No othe way to explain Israel’s successes. In Iran and Hezbollah top commanders assassinated and in Syria open betrayal and switching of sides.
Russian AD completely ineffectual against a peer adversary or switched off or compromised. Either way Russia looks bad like in Syria. What’s the point of having Russia as an ally?

Posted by: Down South | Jun 13 2025 6:57 utc | 505

@ Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 6:54 utc | 513
You should read my earlier posts. I am all for bombing the shit out of everything in this evil colony including the underground safe spaces they love running to whenever Yemen fires a missile. The only innocent civilians are those under 18 years old. Make it look like Gaza.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 6:59 utc | 506

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 6:54 utc | 513
I’d also say that there are pockets of Palestinians sprinkled right throughout Israel as well so much care is needed. Also many Israelis who do not support Netanyahu’s psychopathy – surgical strikes and very careful planning.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 7:00 utc | 507

I’d also say that there are pockets of Palestinians sprinkled right throughout Israel as well so much care is needed.
Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 7:00 utc | 517
Iran doesn’t have this luxury.
The Palestinians need to read the room and get back to the West bank, east Jerusalem or anywhere that wouldn’t be a clear target.
This is no time to play voluntary human shield!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 7:03 utc | 508

Air raid sirens are going off in Jordan.

🇮🇷🇮🇱⚡️- Israeli outlet Kan reports that Iranian drones will begin striking Israel within the next hour.

All of the colonizers are getting in on the action.

🇮🇷⚡🇺🇸🇮🇱🇫🇷 France has now joined brittish and U.S. fighter jets which are reportedly involved in intercepting Iranian drones over Jordan.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 7:04 utc | 509

⚡🇺🇸🇮🇱🇫🇷 France has now joined brittish and U.S. fighter jets which are reportedly involved in intercepting Iranian drones over Jordan.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 7:04 utc | 519
Drones look useless at first but I can see how launching them will complicate a missile launch from Israel:
Once the airspace is filled with friendlies trying to shoot down drones, mistakes are easy and certain to happen …
On the other hand, missiles from Iran to Israel don’t need to “think” much: anything in the way is a target.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 7:07 utc | 510

Iran is using a drone attack vector over Lebanon, which is unlikely to provide the defense that Jordan is.
That is why the very first drones are to get the opponent (Israel) to reveal their defensive strategy and allow Iran to work around it.
Btw, store shelves are bare in Tel Aviv right now. Settlers are buying everything that isn’t nailed down.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 7:08 utc | 511

“There is some noise that an Israeli and/or U.S. attack on Iran is imminent. I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran and not as serious war planning.”
Oops, B?
I hope you write another article and correct that assumption. I would like to know what you think will happen now that Israhell has attacked Iran, killed its Senior General Salami, along with 2 nuke scientists, civilians, etc.

Posted by: Kay | Jun 13 2025 7:12 utc | 512

How much per day does it cost sionist rats to stay in the sewers/bunkers? If it wasn’t for sugar uncle Sam they would be so lost.

Posted by: Mariátegui | Jun 13 2025 7:15 utc | 513

This is an attack on BRICS.
The Empire is scared. Very scared. The North-South Corridor would permanently free Iran, China, and Russia from sanctions.
The attacks are mostly of the effeminate terrorist variety ala NATO. Israel has zero hope of a ground invasion, even as they are trying to mobilize 10s of thousands of reservists right now.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 7:16 utc | 514

Settlers are buying everything that isn’t nailed down.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 7:08 utc | 521
I thought they’d already stolen everything from the Palestinians?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 7:19 utc | 515

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 6:40 utc | 510
The asshole did his typical race baiting White Man BAD BS. Ironically, what I posted was not ad hominem, but a copy of his reply proving he either lied, or is retarded. It is right there for anyone to tediously check the back and forth. So either you are lying, or… uninformed.
If one is going to be a racist, sexist pig and racially stereotype a whole group for supposed faults, than the whole group should get credit for it’s collective accomplishments.
To recap some basic info:
The White Man ended slavery world wide. Not Africans, Muslims, Latinos, Chinese, for gods sake definitely not Indians. The White Man did that. First time in history. Did any of these other groups even try, no, even think of doing so? A case could be made for Muhammed making the attempt. Who else? Ummmmhmmmm.
An exponential increase in population due to crop yields, electricity, crop variety (shout out to Mayans and Incas) sanitation, clean water, AC, central heating, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. above all the harnessing of oil and gas for the magic genie of energy. The pre industrial population going from 200 million to 8,000 million. A forty fold increase – during the reign of THE WHITE MAN. So there it is, historical fact. Without that scientific industrial leap, it would still be 200 million. 97.5% of people alive today would not otherwise be here. Oh yeah, modern beekeeping.
Lil Georgee, i no ur stories help u sleep at night, but ur bedtime stories r just stories.
U, n ur papa n mama n geepaa n geemaa n geegeepaa n… r alive due to the White Man civilization. I no it makes u feel better to pout n say udderwise.
Georgee, let u in on a lil secret. U got it super super ez pz, like everyone else alive today from Africa to Russia to Japan to S America. A subsistence farmer, ghetto dweller today has access to what kings and emperors of two hundred years ago could only dream. N Ur ancestors would likely think u a wimpy spoiled ungrateful chaile, no matter ur age. Look n ur ancestral mirror… u no it’s troo.
Yippur, the ROTW hopped on the train, and are currently also pushing it forward to who knows where. But they did not invent the train, or lay down the tracks.
Believe it or not u live in a goldenest of golden ages. So gold it could almost be considered a White Age. So to speak.
Now maybe back to the topic…

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 7:32 utc | 516

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 7:00 utc | 517
I agree, Iran needs to respond. Last years restraint led to this years attack.
Perhaps this outbreak of war was an assessment that the Iranian procurement of documents was not fully published, they might have intel indicating an Israeli weak spot, so Israel felt compelled to strike first.
Drones from freight containers again? Before counter measures are developed?

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 7:40 utc | 517

PROOF THAT WW1 WAS FOUGHT TO STEAL PALESTINE/ISRAEL FOR THE JEWS.
The First World War; 100 years of lies.
So, why was the first world war planned and executed?
To steal Palestine/Israel for the Jews!
The plan was already well known in 1853.
The following is a quote from George Faber’s 1853 book on the downfall of the Turkish power and the return of the ten tribes (available here).
“The subversion of the Turkish Power will evidently occasion, as all seem to anticipate, a fearful general war. This war will, I believe, be the last under the present order of things. It will commence, indeed, in Europe: but,… it will pass into Palestine…. and, in the course of its evolutions, Israel will be restored.”
George Faber and his fellow conspirators, the Jews, successfully bought the plan to fruition, as can be seen from the following:
“The subversion of the Turkish Power [i.e., the Ottoman Empire] will evidently occasion, as all seem to anticipate, a fearful general war [i.e., the first world war]. This war will, I believe, be the last under the present order of things [ushering a new world order]. It will commence, indeed, in Europe [with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914]: but,… it will pass into Palestine [western troops entered Palestine early in 1917]…. and, in the course of its evolutions [the second world war beginning 1939], Israel will be restored [Palestine/Israel was successfully stolen from its rightful inhabitants in 1948].”
Some have complained that George Faber should not be included among the conspirators. They claim that he was just being used by the Jews to attain their ends. To back up their claim they state that Faber foresaw the return of all twelve tribes of Israel, which never happened, whereas the Jews only wanted the return of the Jews, which did happen. Once the Jews had obtained their goal, no more was heard about the return of the other tribes, it just wasn’t a concern. This indicates that Faber’s notions were of little importance, and that he was being used by the conspirators, rather than that he was among the conspirators.

Posted by: Another Name | Jun 13 2025 7:52 utc | 518

The US really loaded up Israel with more than normal munitions the last few months. THAT should have been a tell. The other is that withdrawal from one place (Afghanistan) is usually to start something elsewhere (UKrain).
The silver lining for the ROTW is that Russia and China will have an easier time of it, as material focus and animosity goes to the Mid East.
Geo strategically this is a bad move for the US if Iran is left standing. ROTW trust of US/NATO is going to go to zero regardless of whether Trump specifically knew of the impending attack or not. This belligerent war started during a US negotiated peace process. Not a good look.
The winning counter would be to stay alive, develop nuclear weapons and proxy proxy proxy.

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 7:57 utc | 519

A measured response for Iran, if US tankers were used for refueling, would be to attack any and all tankers within a 1000 miles going forward.

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 8:06 utc | 520

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 7:32 utc | 526
Carry on with your white supremacist garbage. It proves nothing the drivel you write to justify your prejudices. Neither does trying to belittle me by writing as you do. That just makes you look silly and childish. It also just reinforces the paucity of your argument or lack of it and feeble knowledge of imperialism and colonialism and its impact on the wide range of countries it impacted. Your ignorance not mine.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 8:22 utc | 521

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 8:22 utc | 531
Georgee – You don’t know about the yadda yadda injustice, or so an so famine. (Without naming any LOL)
Racist! Supremacist!
You are a the cup is 1/100th empty kind of guy.
Empty words buddy indicate an empty head.

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 9:03 utc | 522

This aged well…even quicker than Syria.
Note- bibi barely one a vote of confidence this week and the money laundering capital of the world (london) sanction 2 cabinet ministers (smut-rich also is trying to waiver Palestinian banks).
The zionists were without an iota of a doubt committed to their Hitlerite mental sickness of taking everyone down with them, as idf chief of [terror] said they were basically at the end of their rope…and end of their rope they should be!

Posted by: Sal | Jun 13 2025 9:04 utc | 523

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:35 utc | 291
Please. Not to Australia.
We’ve got our own problems to resolve. The last thing we need is thousands upon thousands of delusional and entitled war-criminal zionazis sowing instability here.
Give them to Argentina/Malvinas. It seems the natural place for failed nazi figures to flee to when their projects go tits up.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jun 13 2025 10:02 utc | 524

Malenkov@404: You are confident that the military and police will remain loyal to their paymasters much more so than their inherent solidarity with the mass of the people. We need to remind ourselves that within a pack of housebroken dogs, lurks wolf DNA. Islamics have different mindsets than abstraction dominated Westerners.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 4:13 utc | 400
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Yes, I am confident of it. History teaches us that over and over, and there are few exceptions, especially among “Islamics”.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 10:10 utc | 525

I’m certain that the entire OIC and Arab League will also condemn the attack. I wonder what Hezbollah will do.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 4:55 utc | 440
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I’m sure that USrael’s Arab toady satraps can barely restrain their glee long enough to issue their letters of phony outrage. As for Hezbollah, we must confront the very real possibility that it may not be in a position to do much of anything.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 10:21 utc | 526

Hmm seems some comments were removed including one of mine and the one I was responding to, very calm small comments.
For the fun of it here’s my local copy:

Replying to Peeks ( Jun 13 2025 9:16 utc | 534 ).
It’s what I used to/tried to call “geological” weapons. It doesn’t have to be Hazelnuts/Oreshnik (or Poseidons) it can be all sorts of stuff.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 13 2025 9:36 utc | 535
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/06/trumps-attempt-to-scare-monger-iran-into-nuclear-restrictions-will-fail.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02e860ec8918200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02e860ec8918200b

Maybe this will disappear again? 😀 (Not blaming B).
The link works but only to the thread since the comment is gone.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 13 2025 10:41 utc | 527

Come to think of it Peeks’ comment wasn’t short, but anyways… 😀

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 13 2025 10:43 utc | 528

Trump is losing it
most of the sane World no longer trusts his word (in case they were mostly sceptical about him throughout his long tenure)
he has too much on his plate, Israel was the straw that broke the camels back
now he is just politically toast
the fate of the Dollar is already signposting the US position regarding the rest of the world
Gold already began to do the same 2+ years ago

Posted by: chris m | Jun 13 2025 11:27 utc | 529

LOL Israel has attacked Iran.

Posted by: LOL | Jun 13 2025 11:52 utc | 530

Reply to post 483 to lovedomass
You say-
“Bernard doesn’t have to be correct. He’s entitled to an opinion, seeing as how this is his site. He provides a venue for small-minded vermin (such as yourself) to criticize.”
Posted by: LoveDomass | Jun 13 2025 5:47 utc | 483
I never said b is not entitled to an opinion, clown. I simply pointed out the fact his opinion was factually wrong in this case. You suck, dude. Truth hurts, LOL.

Posted by: deschutes | Jun 13 2025 12:28 utc | 531

Just waiting for the regime media headline “Iran’s unprovoked attack on Israel”.
Anyway, I know we all want “Israel” gone, permanently, but speaking as a USaian, why should Iran have to be burdened, or sacrificed, with this task? It’s our governments that need to be dismantled. Its our responsibility. In fact that’s why I considered Thunberg controlled opposition, all she did was focus attention on “Israel” as if anyone who cared wasn’t aware of the situation. Still I know the majority here aren’t on board, so we just carry on with this shit show.

Posted by: Whistlen | Jun 13 2025 14:15 utc | 532

Arch Bungle @369
Mao was right: Religion is Poison.
Both Mao and you are 100% correct. Fighting and dying over the ‘correct’ god, will wind up killing us all.

Posted by: rgl | Jun 13 2025 15:25 utc | 533

What if…
Iran allowed the Wasrael attack to proceed (LIHOP) as planned – to justify what’s going to happen next?
It was an unprovoked attack and Wasrael’s half-wits and cretins have bragged about and now own it.
Dumbfuckery? Much?
Who’ll be surprised if Iran Gazafies large swathes of The Stolen Statelet and no-one sheds a tear for the parasitic Genocide Jews?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 13 2025 15:35 utc | 534

“There is some noise that an Israeli and/or U.S. attack on Iran is imminent. I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran and not as serious war planning.”
This one aged like fine milk quite fast.
Israel isn’t going to stop until Iran is just like Libya/Syria/etc.

Posted by: Bel | Jun 13 2025 16:26 utc | 535

May I suggest some barflies bookmark this particular thread for later review? It is enlightening to read all the pontifications on why it was not possible for Israel to attack Iran, on what the US would and wouldn’t, and of course, what Trump would ‘order’ (or not order, as he’s only a stooge for the Deep State, according to some), all while IDF bombs were on their way to Tehran.
But I fear Bibi has bitten off more than he can chew this time. My GF’s first reaction was “OMG, that asshole (Bibi) is going to cause WWIII”. Since she’s Jewish, this is a complete change from her usual “Israel, wrong or wrong” stance. Bibi’s depending on US support, but the tools that have worked so reliably in the past – main stream media, advertising, Hollywood – are all on life support, and are no longer as effective at generating that support across the body politic. Muslim politicians in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere, speak out against Israel in ways that were unthinkable even 20 years ago. He won’t find friends easily.
The current rumour is the IDF strike eliminated most of Iran’s senior military men. My fear is that eliminates the chance of a measured response, made by serious men who understand the implications of their actions, and that instead, we may get either a too hasty response, poorly planned and executed by previously junior officers, or no response at all, as no one has the stones to order an attack and accept responsibility.

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 13 2025 17:37 utc | 536

@545
Or like Yemen only the Shi’a are majority in Iran…. Like the Houthi.

Posted by: paddy | Jun 13 2025 17:47 utc | 537

@519
Western jets can fly out of Jordan, and Turkiye.
Turkiye has a strong NATO set. Several air bases in the eastern part which were used by U.S. against ISIL.
A NATO AWACS base as well as a joint missile defense radar also are close to engage Iran.

Posted by: paddy | Jun 13 2025 18:09 utc | 538

Everyone is in such a rush to stick with geopolitical narratives that they have simply dismissed or been ignorant of what the British Empire has been up to for the past 400 years.

Posted by: wt baker | Jun 13 2025 22:16 utc | 539

Giyane | Jun 12 2025 23:24 utc | 137
*** I listened yesterday to the Thinking Muslim ‘s interview with Professor Avi Shlaim. He mentioned the activities of a Jewish British Soldier called Wingate who taught the Zionists all of the Brutal ways of Colonial suppression thay had used in Africa and Asia before the British Mandate in Palestine. ***
Wingate wasn’t actually Jewish, but might as well have been since he was a member of a fanatically zionist evangelical cult.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 14 2025 2:39 utc | 540

Well Bernd that article didn’t age well 😉
The big question now is what will China and especially Russia do now
My wild guess is they will talk a lot but not walk even 1 cm
Iran is all on itself here and most probably will be destroyed

Posted by: MikeBA | Jun 14 2025 6:29 utc | 541

This would however risk nuclear strikes by Israel on Iran.

With what?
Nobody has any proof of Israeli nukes.
All other nuclear powers have provided proof by conducting surface tests that are verifiable by third parties.
Why hasn’t Israel proved the rumors are true with a simple surface test?
Maybe Israel hasn’t provided proof for the rumors because Israel is embarrassed to admit that it violated international law?
Is anybody willing to defend that silly line of thinking?
After all violations of international law by Israel?
Gimme a break.
India, Pakistan and North Korea built their nukes outside of international law.
They just did it and proved it.
Being a rational person, I will remain sceptic and accept the most parsimonious explanation for all those rumors: chutzpah.
On the other hand if Israel responds to Iranian missiles with nukes, or if Israel conducts a surface test to scare the Iranians, then I will change my mind, because of evidence, you know, that thing that is necessary to judge hypotheses.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 14 2025 10:47 utc | 542

This didn’t age well

Posted by: Hoboinlobo | Jun 15 2025 2:11 utc | 543