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June 12, 2025
Trump’s Attempt To Scare Monger Iran Into Nuclear Restrictions Will Fail

There is some noise that an Israeli and/or U.S. attack on Iran is imminent. I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran and not as serious war planning.

Israel wants the U.S. to destroy Iran. It would be the last of the seven countries in five years plan of destruction the U.S. had activated, with Israel's prodding, in 2003.

President Donald Trump wants to avoid a war with Iran. He has nothing to gain from it. But he is under pressure by the Zionist lobby. Instead of bombing Iran he would prefer to shut down its civil nuclear program. Its existence makes Iran a latent nuclear weapon state. Iran denies that it is striving to get nuclear weapons. U.S. intelligence has found that Iran has no current program that would lead to weapon capabilities.

It was Trump who in 2018 withdrew the U.S. from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) which had limited Iran's nuclear industry and had put it under strict surveillance. Iran waited a year before it took retaliatory measure by increasing its enrichment of nuclear fuel and by decreasing its cooperation with the inspectors of the IAEA who are supervising Iran's adherence to the JCPOA.

With Trump back in office he set out to push Iran towards a new agreement that would, he hoped, eliminate all enrichment of nuclear fuel in Iran. There is no chance to achieve that. Nuclear enrichment is an inalienable right of all nation under the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and Iran insists on not being blocked from it.

Trump decided on a two pronged strategy. He would push the IAEA and the European co-signers of the JCPOA to condemn Iran with the perspective of reestablishing UN mandated sanction on Iran. He would also offer Iran a new kind of JCPOA to again limit its nuclear development abilities.

Trump had sent out his envoy Steve Witkoff to push Iran towards a new agreement. He however mangled the constrains Iran should agree to. Witkoff told the Iranians that they would be allowed to enrich Uranium to 3.6% as needed for a civil nuclear reactor. A few days later Trump ordered that to be 0% – i.e. no enrichment at all. This went back and forth several times.

The JCPOA was a very fine balanced and very technical agreement that took many months to conclude. Trumps offer to Iran is a "dollar-store-JCPOA", incomplete and with many clauses Iran would never agree to.

Trump has made negotiations even more difficult when he publicly demanded Iran to surrender completely:

The president outlined his vision for a new agreement during a White House presser on Wednesday, calling for a “very strong document” that would effectively give Washington carte blanche over Tehran’s nuclear energy program.

“I want it very strong – where we can go in with inspectors, we can take whatever we want, we can blow up whatever we want, but [with] nobody getting killed,” he told reporters. “We can blow up a lab, but nobody is gonna be in the lab, as opposed to everybody being in the lab and blowing it up.”

He did not elaborate on those remarks, however, leaving it unclear whether Washington had actually pushed for such major concessions at the negotiating table. The Islamic Republic would be unlikely to accept a deal under those terms.

Iran had answered appropriately (archived):

The Trump administration over the weekend proposed the outline of a deal that would seem to allow Iran to continue enriching uranium, which had been a sticking point in talks — but only temporarily. With talks at an impasse, the proposal was seen as a potential concession that could open a path to compromise.

In his first public remarks since the proposal was reported on, Ayatollah Khamenei said that Iran’s “response to the U.S. government’s nonsense is clear.”

He said in a speech that it would be “useless” for Iran to build nuclear power plants without being able to enrich uranium over the long term, framing the U.S. proposal as an attempt to obstruct Iran’s nuclear industry and self-reliance.

With no prospect of a deal in the making the attention turned to the second leg of Trump's strategy.

The way to reinstate UN sanctions on Iran, as they had existed before the JCPOA, is also a complicate business. But here pressure on the relevant actors has allowed Trump to proceed.

The head of the IAEA regularly reports to the IAEA Board of Governors about its verification and monitoring of nuclear issues in Iran.

In his latest report the IAEA's General Director Rafael Grossi repeated 20+ years old well known facts but came to new 'conclusions' about them:

While many of the findings relate to activities dating back decades and have been made before, the IAEA report's conclusions were more definitive. It summarised developments in recent years and pointed more clearly towards coordinated, secret activities, some of which were relevant to producing nuclear weapons.

It also spelled out that Iran's cooperation with IAEA continues to be "less than satisfactory" in "a number of respects". The IAEA is still seeking explanations for uranium traces found years ago at two of four sites it has been investigating. Three hosted secret experiments, it found.

The IAEA has concluded that "these three locations, and other possible related locations, were part of an undeclared structured nuclear programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s and that some activities used undeclared nuclear material", the report said.

Iran insists that nothing nuclear ever had happened at those sites and that if any traces of radioactive materials had been found there they must have been planted.

Iran has by the way serious reasons to not trust Grossi:

The Cradle @TheCradleMedia – 11:01 UTC · Jun 12, 2025

BREAKING | Leaked documents released by Iranian media reportedly reveal that International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi has been fully coordinating with Israel and carrying out its directives.

These files are part of the sensitive intelligence cache Iran recently seized from Israel.
pics

Following Grossi's latest report the U.S. proxies at the IAEA Board of Governors declared Iran to be in breach of its obligations:

The U.N. nuclear watchdog's 35-nation Board of Governors declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations on Thursday for the first time in almost 20 years, raising the prospect of reporting it to the U.N. Security Council.

Diplomats at the closed-door meeting said the board passed the resolution submitted by the United States, Britain, France and Germany with 19 countries in favour, 11 abstentions and three states – Russia, China and Burkina Faso – against.

The text, seen by Reuters, declares Iran in breach of its obligations given a damning report the IAEA sent to member states on May 31.

"The Board of Governors… finds that Iran's many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to provide the Agency with full and timely cooperation regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple undeclared locations in Iran … constitutes non-compliance with its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the Agency," the text said.

A central issue is Iran's failure to provide the IAEA with credible explanations of how uranium traces detected at undeclared sites in Iran came to be there despite the agency having investigated the issue for years.

The chutzpah is strong in this. The U.S., UK, Germany and France accuse Iran of non compliance with the JCPOA which the U.S. had shredded in 2018 and which the Europeans refused to abide to when they kept export restrictions on Iran.

This all because of alleged traces of nuclear material found at places that had allegedly been used more than twenty years ago.

There was no reason for Grossi to put this out now or for the Board of Governors to react to it but pressure from the U.S. to rebuild a path towards UN sanctions.

Iran immediately reacted, as it had previously announced, to the Board's finding:

Iran has condemned a “politically-motivated” resolution adopted by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors, saying it will build a new enrichment facility in a secure location.

The new site will replace the first-generation enrichment machines at Fordow nuclear facility with advanced sixth-generation ones, it emphasized.

The next step is for one of the European co-signers of the JCPOA to push the Board of Governors resolution to the UN Security Council. This could lead to a re-activation of international sanctions on Iran which had been suspended under UN resolution 2231 when it endorsed the JCPOA.

Iran has said that it would respond to such a step by leaving the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That would allow Iran, after a year, to peruse nuclear weapons without any legal restrictions.

In parallel to the IAEA action a well coordinated information campaign was launched to create the impression of an imminent attack on Iran:

Setting everyone on edge and grasping for insight, the Trump administration issued evacuation orders for non-essential personnel at the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, and its diplomatic facilities in Bahrain and Kuwait on Wednesday.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also reportedly told FOX News that there would be voluntary departure for dependents of military personnel serving in the Central Command (CENTCOM) area of operations across the Middle East.

Meanwhile, the UK's Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO), a British maritime security agency, issued its own "unusual" warning, citing “increasing regional tension” that could pose threats to ships in the region.

By Wednesday night, the media was speculating widely that the administration is worried about an imminent strike by Israel on Iran. Asked about the developments at a Kennedy Center event, Trump acknowledged that U.S. citizens were being moved out of the Middle East, saying “it could be a dangerous place. … We’ve given notice to move out; we’ll see what happens.”

“We are watching and worried,” one senior diplomat in the region told the Washington Post. “We think it’s more serious than any other time in the past.”

All this is to give the impression that Israel is out of control:

Israel is considering taking military action against Iran — most likely without U.S. support — in the coming days, even as President Donald Trump is in advanced discussions with Tehran about a diplomatic deal to curtail its nuclear program, according to five people with knowledge of the situation.

Israel has become more serious about a unilateral strike on Iran as the negotiations between the United States and Iran appear closer to a preliminary or framework agreement that includes provisions about uranium enrichment that Israel views as unacceptable.

Details about the Israeli discussions emerged before the International Atomic Energy Agency's board of governors formally found that Iran isn’t complying with its nuclear obligations for the first time in 20 years.

Israel does not have the means to attack Iran. Bombing Iran's nuclear facilities effectively is extremely challenging. Even their destruction would only delay, not hinder Iran from pursuing whatever nuclear program it likes.

The rumors of an attack on Iran are most likely just scaremongering to press Iran into agreeing to Trump's nonsensical demands of restrictions for its nuclear program. Iran is unlikely to fall for this.

Anything Israel might try unilaterally would be for the sole purpose of drawing the U.S. into a war with Iran.

Trump wants lower oil prices and freedom to pursue his domestic agenda. I strongly doubt that he will allow Israel to pull him into a war as there is nothing to win for him.

Comments

Trumpelstiltskin
Who has only been away from a camera and mic for the time it takes to do a dump on his Golden Potty, has “called a lid” on the media and won’t be making an appearance for the rest of the day.
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Is he in the Bunker, or the War Room?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:22 utc | 401

US House dim leader Hakeem Jeffries reacts: “We certainly believe that Iran should never be allowed to become nuclear capable. They are an enemy, not just to Israel, but to the United States and to the free world.”

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 13 2025 4:22 utc | 402

Great Israel can only become true with the no-Iran option, because parts of it are in the map of g.I.
From this point of view the attacks may be the attempt to provoke Iran to retailiate and then the US must step in and so on… plausible plan.
If mullahs are clever, they should not act and do ..nothing. As Russia did nothing after Tupolevs were bombed.
Yes, a few drones etc.. but not THAT hard hit back.
Israel desperatly need a reason to waste Iran NOW, and is provoking It as much it can.
Iran on the other side must suffer from inside spys, because without those it would have been impossible for Israel to conduct such a strike.
Another reason for the mullahs to do nothing against Israel but instead to clean up the own rows.. same was in Russia ..

Posted by: ableman | Jun 13 2025 4:24 utc | 403

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 13 2025 4:18 utc | 404
I’m starting to think so now. The weird mix of denial and “well we told you it MIGHT happen” BS coming from the US Zionist blob Trump Regime has me thinking that they’re hoping this Israeli provocation might be enough to get Iran to finally, and officially, strike American assets (illegally) in their region. Thus “justifying”….. well you know where I’m going now.
And yeah I expect a gulf of tonkin storyline to emerge when Iran inevitably carries out their reprisal attack(s). SOME American SOMEWHERE in the region will be hurt, the more the better (for the Regime) – kinda like the last season of “Andor” and the Empire’s shenanigans on the planet Ghorma. These elitist fucks masquerading as “populists” in Trump’s orbit want some American blood spilled. Wouldn’t s’prise me at all to learn that, along with their slow-mo evacuation “orders” they also stationed all the ‘trannies’, African Americans and LGBTQ soldiers at the installations most likely to be targeted by Iran. (I semi-kid you)

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:25 utc | 404

If Iran should truly wish to take down the West, it should destroy the oil production capacity of the Arab Gulf states, including KSA.

Posted by: Klaus | Jun 13 2025 4:25 utc | 405

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 13 2025 4:22 utc | 408
Jeffries is scum. He plays the necessary sides off each other in the manner most befitting the game of being an aspiring member of The Blob. But he’s probably on AIPAC’s payroll too.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:26 utc | 406

Something is definitely wrong. No air defenses are working. No GPS jamming. Israel knew exactly where to hit. And Iran hasn’t got one missile up in response.
And this when they declared that have their fingers on the switch ready to go. And the general that said it is dead.

And of course, no sign of the so called allies, Russia or China. You mean to tell me that they didn’t see this coming on their satellites or didn’t have any intelligence? Iran is being betrayed on all fronts.
Posted by: Alpi | Jun 13 2025 3:30 utc | 354
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Looks like a huge betrayal by Russia. What has happened to the Russian-supplied jammers and S-400s?
This follows the betrayal of Syria, where Iranis themselves reported that the few hundred invaders were not bombed as Russia pretended – they had bombed the empty desert.
It’s crucial to know that Putin and much of the Kremlin are Jews, with Putin now putting on the pretend-Christian act with special fervor (such as the recent tour of his apartment that emphasised the chapel).
And Trump, from a notoriously crypto-Jew family, takes his Jew identity much more seriously than his American one.
Read that into what is happening.

Posted by: sarz | Jun 13 2025 4:26 utc | 407

“United States was not involved militarily,” says Trump
Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 4:13 utc | 399
NO they only supplied the Israelis with the fuel tanker aircraft to refuel their jets – funny, another proxy war to hide behind. Nothing to see here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuAKnbIr6TE

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 4:27 utc | 408

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:07 utc | 390
They didn’t do air strikes.
They activated bombs in the apartment buildings.
Which means Iran security is shit or compromised or both.
The bombs could have been there a long time.
How often are the apartments buildings on Iranian top brass swept?
And by who?????

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:27 utc | 409

🇺🇸🇮🇱⚡🇮🇷☢️ – Trump reacted for the first time after the attack:
“Some people in Iran’s leadership will never come back. We hope that Iran will return to the negotiating table. Iran should never obtain a nuclear weapon.”

⚡️BREAKING
Trump says it will defend Israel against Iran

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 4:27 utc | 410

And off to the (fixed) horse races we go:

Trump says US will help defend Israel if needed: Fox News
Fox News presenter Bret Baier says he spoke with the US president, who reiterated that Washington was not involved in the Israeli strikes on Iran.
“Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb and we are hoping to get back to the negotiating table. We will see. There are several people in leadership that will not be coming back,” Trump said, according to Baier.
Trump added that the US will help defend Israel if Iran retaliates, Baier said.

That’s right, MAGA-tards. Trump was ALWAYS going to find a way to go to war with Iran, as stupid as the idea really is. He continues to fund and arm the Ukro-Nazis and now he’s going to get Americans killed and driven to bankruptcy for his Jewish masters. Where are S Brennan and Cullen Baker (assuming they’re actually different people) to defend DJT’s honor now?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:29 utc | 411

BREAKING American refueling planes took off from Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar and supplied fuel to Israeli aircraft. More proof of US involvement as they try to pretend their hands are clean.
Don’t let them.

https://x.com/FiorellaIsabelM/status/1933355403942727791

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 4:29 utc | 412

No video of incoming missiles or anti-aircraft activity, neither gun tracer fire or missiles. Why?

Posted by: why | Jun 13 2025 4:29 utc | 413

There’s a lot of dunking going on over poor reading comprehension tonight.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 3:40 utc | 363
“I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran…” was my point. This is WAR.
Arch Bungle, also.
Same idiots. Nothing changes here. Waste of my time, as usual.

Posted by: Richard Hack | Jun 13 2025 4:31 utc | 414

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:16 utc | 402
Well we all know who Milei works for.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 4:31 utc | 415

@tom collins
I agree with all your points and sentiments. I don’t see miscelle strikes, which indicates MEK infiltration and sabotage. The Iranians will figure it out. Which implicates US INVOLVEMENT. The MEK used to protest outside the US Embassy in Oslo everyday back in the day (i was there) more like a barbeque on the street. Until they were lifted off the terrorist list by mckain and Graham. My guess is that there were explosions for show coursity of MEK, plus real strikes for damage,
create the narrative, and bobs your uncle. And the plus side, is that Trump is further boxed in

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 4:31 utc | 416

No video of incoming missiles or anti-aircraft activity, neither gun tracer fire or missiles. Why?
Posted by: why | Jun 13 2025 4:29 utc | 419
Because
Bombs
In
Apartment
Buildings.
Think Givi. Think Motorola.
We’ve seen this movie before.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:32 utc | 417

@sarz | 413

Read that into what is happening.

Thanks for your post. I’ll take the liberty to decipher it for the bar: the Iran-Russia axis is strategically decisive, and the warring faction of USrael has to play against Trump.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 13 2025 4:32 utc | 418

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:27 utc | 415
Unless the reports of air launched ballistic missile sightings in Iraq are confirmed, I have to assume that’s the case for the attacks in and around Tehran. Or drones. But what of the airbase attacks? Possibly the same? Drones like what Ukraine did to the Russian bombers? Would not surprise me at all given the utter dearth of ANY footage showing anything remotely resembling a missile of any kind striking Tehran – and – the very targeted looking damage at the apartment building(s).
Either way – Yep. Massive, massive security and intelligence flaws by the Iranians, especially in the wake of decades of nuclear scientist assassinations and the previous pre-planted bombing attack of 2023. Unacceptable, and a big time retaliation may be the only thing that keeps the Iranian peoples’ faith in their own government’s ability to defend their lives or their honor.
Getcha popcorn ready and gas up.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:33 utc | 419

IMO, it’s correct to call this Trump’s War. Trump lied about US Military involvement since the Zionist jets launched from Iraqi airspace which is controlled by the Empire. IMO, ISR intel was also provided, and likely much more. Iran’s FM issued a statement holding Trump responsible.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 4:34 utc | 420

🇮🇷⚡️🇮🇱 Reports of kamikaze drones flying west over Iran towards Israel.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 4:35 utc | 421

Bunch of social media videos of Tel Aviv being hit being posted right now
Note – to match peak inflation adjusted price from the 2008 spike …..oil would exceed $250/barrel

Posted by: Exile | Jun 13 2025 4:35 utc | 422

Waste of my time, as usual.
Posted by: Richard Hack | Jun 13 2025 4:31 utc | 420
Doubles down on failure to read for comprehension. Good, bro. Then GTFO.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:35 utc | 423

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 4:29 utc | 418 “American refueling planes took off from Al Udeid Air Base”
I am guessing you didn’t actually read the Flightradar24 graphic which says the aircraft Rivet Joint’s?

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 4:35 utc | 424

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 4:29 utc | 418
As I said before George Galloway also posted this on X last night Aus EST

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 4:36 utc | 425

Yep. This is Trump’s War.

Israel attack part of a ‘broad regional plan’ made with approval of US: expert
Ali Dareini, a researcher at the Centre for Strategic Studies, told Al Jazeera from Tehran that Israel’s latest attack is a declaration of war on Iran, likely made with the approval of the White House.
“This is a declaration of war, there will be dire consequences… There is absolutely no way that Iran cannot respond to this act of aggression. Just have a look at what has happened in the past hours. The US evacuated its embassy staff from Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East… President Trump spoke of a likely Israeli attack on Iran just hours before this attack. What does it tell us?” he said.
“The United States had prior knowledge. It already was informed in advance of this attack and very, very likely it was carried out in coordination with the United States. We should not look at this attack as an incident or singular unilateral action, but part of a broad regional plan that is taking the Middle East towards another escalation with unpredictable consequences,” he added.

Unfortunately Americans in places most likely to protest are likely under ICE/USMC/ANG/Militarized police martial law and curfews. This works out great for the “anti-war” president currently sending TacKtical Old Navy clad and masked goons with no ID out to round up brown people and rendition them off the streets. Ohhhh noooezzz I came down with a case of TDS!!!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:38 utc | 426

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 4:35 utc | 430
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Junior, I have neither the time nor the inclination to teach you how to use the internet.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 4:39 utc | 427

Same idiots. Nothing changes here. Waste of my time, as usual.
Posted by: Richard Hack | Jun 13 2025 4:31 utc | 420
Nice to see you again, old friend.
Now, visitation rights are limited so back to your cell, please.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:42 utc | 428

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:48 utc | 238
“That’s mostly what I’m getting at when I say Trump has been lying. Why even engage in negotiations if the plan all along, regardless of maximalist outcomes – that everyone knew were totally unacceptable to Iran – was to go to war? Even by American government lying standards, this one is a whopper.”
It all depends on what kind of day it is. Is this a “Trump is an idiot, senile, and has a catheter because he can’t remember to go to the bathroom; he’s a total non-factor and just a figurehead for America’s real rulers” kind of day? Or is this a “Trump is a dishonest business man who figured out how to game the system, cheat everyone and fool half the country” kind of day? I don’t think he can be an idiot and an evil genius on the same day.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 13 2025 4:43 utc | 429

🇮🇷🇮🇩🇮🇱⚡️- Indonesia has condemned Israel’s strikes on Iran.

Saudi Arabia condemns Israel’s strikes on Iran in official statement

Official letter
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1933383936803217637

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 4:44 utc | 430

I don’t think he can be an idiot and an evil genius on the same day.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 13 2025 4:43 utc | 435
I don’t either. That’s you and your MAGA retards’ bag, not mine. You’re the ones constantly moving the goal posts to apologize for his bullshit. So let me rephrase that in a way that befits your actual opinion: Trump can’t be an America-First “anti-war” patriot trying to save all of us, but at the mercy of the “deep state” at the same time he’s a bought off tool of the Zionists and Jews of Israel simultaneously selling out to the elite capitalist rentier class, starting new world wars and trying to turn us all into feudal serfs with no free speech or privacy from the big bad federal government.
So which is it, Maga Bro?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:51 utc | 431

B got it wrong. I hope Iran rains death and destruction on Tel Aviv. The global cabal of ethno-cult extremists and Christian nationalist bible thumpers in the USA is responsible for pushing us ever closer to World War III and human extinction. Iran, like China and Russia, has exhibited strategic restraint. The only thing the collective West understands is violence.

Posted by: depressed | Jun 13 2025 4:51 utc | 432

LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 4:44 utc | 436–
I’m certain that the entire OIC and Arab League will also condemn the attack. I wonder what Hezbollah will do. I know what Hamas and Ansarallah will do. This is clearly a case of the Outlaw US Empire leading from behind–again.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 4:55 utc | 433

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:27 utc | 415
Some comments:
>They didn’t do air strikes.
Until further evidence emerges: This is very likely because the alternative is too terrible to contemplate. The alternative being:
Russia’s AD assistance rendered over the past 2 years have been absolutely worthless. If this is the case then we must question why the Russian AD is so effective against Ukraine but totally useless against Israel … Well, you know my opinion on that already 😉
If Russian AD failed then it could not have been due to some technological superiority of israeli weapons. It had to have been due to a deliberate sabotage of the AD, either by the Russians themselves (or the Mossad 5th column infesting the Russian Military) or whichever Iranian department control over these weapons had been delegated to.
>They activated bombs in the apartment buildings.
– Not just apartment buildings, highly secured state buildings which happened to be housing Hossein Salami himself and top nuclear scientists
– Which means that Mossad managed to compromise premises (or locations near those premises) at the highest levels of sensitivity of the Iranian State.
>Which means Iran security is shit or compromised or both.
– No security can withstand a concerted, multi-decade attempt to carry out terror attacks against a nation as large and diverse as Iran, with as many conflicting political and ideological fracture lines.
– You’d have to turn the nation into a total police state to achieve security at that level – exactly what the West wants to justify their narrative.
>The bombs could have been there a long time.
– When you have a nation infiltrated by MEK operatives and a host of exotic terror movements this is quite possible. The Janitor, the tea boy the cleaning staff …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:58 utc | 434

Think Givi. Think Motorola.
We’ve seen this movie before.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:32 utc | 423

RIP to these two brave men who might still be around had Putin not told the Donbass militia to stand down right when they had encircled the Ukrainian Nazis.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 5:03 utc | 435

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 4:55 utc | 440
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We won’t know the extent of the Iranian response for a couple of days.
And what the US does to “protect” Israel.
I have a feeling that this could go on for some time.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:04 utc | 436

Russias air defence are rubish when used agains 5th generation stealth. They haven’t managed to shot down a single plane ever.

Posted by: Ragman | Jun 13 2025 5:04 utc | 437

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:58 utc | 441
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Here is another possibility. Maybe the West has figured out how to dupe the Russian AD.
Maybe the Iranians weren’t as sharp as they could have been. Their intelligence collection is pretty ass, if they didn’t know this was imminent, IMO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:05 utc | 438

Posted by: Ragman | Jun 13 2025 5:04 utc | 444
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The NYT reports that Ansar Allah almost shot down an F-35, and they don’t have Russian AD.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:06 utc | 439

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 4:55 utc | 440
It is time Iran starts listening to Ansar Allah who have been saying to stop this strategic warfare and take on the evil entity with the intent of destroying it.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 5:07 utc | 440

Love your work, but your wishful thinking has been exposed.. again.
It is what it is….

Posted by: Skeletor | Jun 13 2025 5:08 utc | 441

Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 13 2025 4:43 utc | 435
No, that wasn’t a rhetorical question, MAGA-fan. Why is Trump leading us into a new World War. Both in Ukraine and now BY FULL CHOICE, West Asia?
Why. You tell us. Blame the “Democrat” Borg members of his cabinet. Explain why he smugly told us that “well, yeah an Israeli attack may be imminent” while supposedly engaging in “diplomacy” – YOU TELL US, MAGARETARD. Show me the error of my ways. Tell me why what Trump is doing is either 5-dimensional chess or just the forced actions of a guy stuck in an unwinnable duel with the deep state that he’s mostly purged and re-staffed with his own sycophants. Yeah, certainly, Trump didn’t shuffle the deck at CFR or Rand. But he DID accept unprecedented millions of campaign dollars from Zionazi Israel-first interests and donor class Jews at the same time as he promised (then delivered) on cracking down on American (and non-white immigrants) who criticized Is-ra-fuckin’-el.
I want the MAGA explanation for that, bro. Give it to me or forever shut the ever loving fuck up and admit you’re a clown and cult member.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 5:09 utc | 442

13 June 2025
05:01 GMT
Iranian media have confirmed that Mohammad Bagheri, chief of staff of the armed forces, was killed in an Israeli strike, following initial denials from official news outlets.
Iran appointed Habibollah Sayyari as temporary commander of the Iranian Armed Forces, according to Iranian Nournews.
Source: RT

Posted by: Elber | Jun 13 2025 5:09 utc | 443

Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:58 utc | 441–
Cruise missile attack using ISR intel to route flight paths via radar shadows coordinated with US along with refueling and air space use. It’s also possible the Zionists used ballistic missiles. The “box score” for the strike won’t be known for awhile. If what hit were the leakers, then many didn’t make it. Of course, I’m puzzled, but then I don’t have access to much data to say a lot. As I wrote above: Too much fog.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 5:10 utc | 444

Last week the Press was unreliable.
This morning nothing is believable.
The only way out is through.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 13 2025 5:11 utc | 445

Reports of a second wave of strikes coming in (unconfirmed).
So far this looks like a multi-vector strike both conventional and assymetrical and both against civilian and military infrastructure and leadership:
1. Mossad covert operations in collaboration with MEK.
2. israeli fighter jets conducting strikes [UNCONFIRMED] … and if so, assisted by American air refuelling tankers.
Sources (untrusted as always):
1. TOI: Israeli Fighters Launch 2nd Wave Of Air Strikes On Tehran; Nuke Sites, Factories Bombed
2. NBC: Dozens of Israeli jets used to target multiple areas in Iran including nuclear sites

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 5:13 utc | 446

Israel is out of control: No Israel is controlled by the British banksters and their oil and gas owners.
IMO, Iran, AWA other smaller nations, do not need nuclear weapons. These smaller non nuke nations needs a NATO article 5 type of Agreement with the likes of N. Korea, China, Russia, Pakistan, and or India, etc. ,,if any signator to the agreement is attacked from outside with any weapon of mass destruction, the nuclear powers in these agreements will each respond all at once on behalf of the nation attacked in two ways, immediate destruction of predetermined permanent targets located in the aggressor’s country and then, following assessment of the damage done, a 2nd more targeted response designed to produce deteriance sufficient to discourage the aggressor from further use of such weapons should follow. ..
IMO, this kind of agreement has the potential to provide security against the use of weapons of mass destruction by any one. It means the whole world (tiny nation to empire) would be safe from nuclear and maybe even biology weapons and the non nuclear nations would be just as well protected as if they had the very best nuclear or biochemical weapons known to man. Cross nation agreements such as I have suggest have the potential to move the world closer to multi polar status. The closer we get to automatic mandates that destroy the entire world if someone uses a nuke or a bioweapon, the closer we come to achieving global peace.
Instead of trying to police the research, production, storage, and use of nuclear or bio technology and weapons, just make the use of such weapons and technology subject to cross nation no-questions-asked, no- delay quick response support agreements. You attack us our supporters attack you.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 13 2025 4:08 utc | 392
Pezeshkian to hit back hard if Iran wants to avoid subjugation.
<=I seem to recall this guy Pezeshkian to be a peacemaker .. any chance he is an Israeli puppet.. it would have taken compromise by someone very high up for Israel to be able to accomplish what happened tonight?

Posted by: snake | Jun 13 2025 5:13 utc | 447

What I am wondering is what Iran thought would be Occupied Palestine’s reaction to the release of information that Iran has acquired. I do trust they have cut their military and science losses for now and can execute an appropriate response.
How fast will the escalation go and how big [US/China/Russia]?
Are there any adults in the Western room?
What will the world look like when I get up tomorrow?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 13 2025 5:16 utc | 448

Posted by: snake | Jun 13 2025 5:13 utc | 454
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Pezeshkian is a moderate liberal. A peace and love candidate for a revolutionary country.
He won’t be re-elected if Israel hits Iran more. He owns every single strike. It’s unfair, but that is how public perception works.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:17 utc | 449

ZH is reporting

Update2330ET: It appears there were at least two waves of Israeli attacks, with smoke still seen over Iranian military sites and areas of Tehran in the daylight morning hours.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 13 2025 5:18 utc | 450

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 5:10 utc | 451
Despite all the *reports* of missile strikes I have yet to see *one* video showing a ballistic (or other) missile trace over Tehran.
Compare that with reports of every other strike against anywhere else we’ve seen in the last 3 years.
This is why I’m still confused as to whether we’re seeing planted bombs, or local strikes with man-portable short range missiles (like the one against Ismail Haniyeh last year) or actual conventional air and ballistic missile strikes … or … something completely new?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 5:19 utc | 451

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 5:19 utc | 458
Exactly my feelings. Or….drones. Like Ukraine’s “spider web” but a little smaller scale. Neither the damage I’ve seen in photos/vids to the residential structures not the smoke plumes in the videos in any way make it definitive that ANY missiles INCLUDING “low altitude” cruise missiles were used. I say again: Something is “off” until further notice.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 5:23 utc | 452

I apologize for my previous illtimed post. I thought I was going to have an early night, but then began reading. I have lighted my votive candle.
O Lord, have mercy on all who come before you this night. May their souls have rest in a place of brightness, a place of refreshment, a place of repose, where all sickness, sighing, and sorrow has fled away. Pardon every transgression, whether by word or deed or thought, and grant them peace, O Good One.
Amen

Posted by: juliania | Jun 13 2025 5:24 utc | 453

Some good information in this Al Jazeera video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz_GktoY7ig
It is claimed explosions happened all across Iran many likely far beyond missile range and images shown don’t appear to be missile strikes, most likely bombs placed in the apartments/buildings.

Posted by: Spark | Jun 13 2025 5:25 utc | 454

LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:04 utc | 443–
Ten years ago, there was a regular here whose moniker I can’t recall who advocated Iran moving its land army to Syria and intervene. Mobilized, Iran can easily field 10 Million–more soldiers than the Zionists have as population, and they can purchase all sorts of armor from Russia. I think you can build a scenario from there. Yes, the Empire’s presence would also need to be fought, but it’s too small to stop such a large land army. The Zionists aren’t going to ultimately be defeated by missiles alone; they’ll need to be physically purged, although if that point’s reached, I’d expect them to nuke as many as possible, including themselves.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 5:25 utc | 455

Trump is, like Zelenski, just an actor. There are other forces deciding what will happen. His role in this is deception, making sure Iran is off guard when the real attack happens with the involvement of the US.
His role in relation to the negotiations with Russia is the same, trying to win time to allow Ukraine to rebuild its military.
Time to see Trump for what he is and try to figure out what the plans are of the unknown people or forces in charge. And the later are pure financial. In the case of the middle east, turn the whole middle east in one big Dubai. In the case of Russia, just plunder it.

Posted by: hubert | Jun 13 2025 5:25 utc | 456

Once the Axis of Resistance realizes that this gentleman way of fighting the colonial state of Israel is not working and they are fighting true evil, they will start to win. The only civilians in this evil colony are people under 18 years old. Everyone else is an enemy combatant even the elderly who have killed many Palestinians while fighting for the IOF.
Bomb the Israeli airports, every port, the underground safe spaces these evil beings run to every time there is a Yemeni missile. Bomb bomb bomb. Make it look like Gaza.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 5:25 utc | 457

Posted by: sarz/ June 13 2025 4:26 utc/413
“Looks like a huge betrayal by Russia. What has happened to the Russian supplied jammers and S-400s?”
Russia, Israel Maintain Mutual Respect, Good Relations – Deputy FM
https://tass.com/politics/1971541
MOSCOW, June 10 /TASS/. “Over the past few years, Russia and Israel have been able to maintain respect for each other, and relations between the two countries can be described as good and close, Russian Deputy FM Sergey Vershinin said.
‘We have very deep, close and good relations with Israel and the Israeli people,’ the deputy minister said at a reception on the occasion of Israel’s Independence Day. ‘And this relationship has gone a very good, glorious way…”
“The newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets, the second largest in the country, described June 1 as a ‘black day for Russia’s long-range and military transport aircraft’ and called for the same ‘determination and harshness’ against Ukraine as Israel has shown against Hamas…” WSWS – June 2, 2025
“The Kremlin says it is playing a key role in the ongoing talks between the US and Iran on reaching a deal on the Islamic Republic’s nuclear programme.” – RT News – June 5, 2025 (17:00 MSK)

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 5:28 utc | 458

These smaller non nuke nations needs a NATO article 5 type of Agreement with the likes of N. Korea, China, Russia, Pakistan, and or India, etc
Posted by: snake | Jun 13 2025 5:13 utc | 454
Very funny. China, Russia, India = Israel
Iran is screwed both by Brics, the club of losers, and by UN, they’re Gaza. Russia was supposed to be hit in the same way, the npps and nuclear related sites,but it didn’t work yet except with the airfields and the never ending strikes at znpp. So it partially worked and they’re supposed to have more nukes than the world combined. But no one cares, the red button is under control

Posted by: rk | Jun 13 2025 5:29 utc | 459

Here is another possibility. Maybe the West has figured out how to dupe the Russian AD.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:05 utc | 445
If so, they don’t seem to have passed it on to the Ukrainians …
> Maybe the Iranians weren’t as sharp as they could have been. Their intelligence collection is pretty ass, if they didn’t know this was imminent, IMO.
They’d need to know more than that it was imminent. They’d have needed to know the exact human targets the Zionists were planning to hit.
I’m sure they did all they could to harden the obvious targets but I wonder if they expected or planned against the head of the IRGC to be targeted? If not, that’s a truly serious failure.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 5:29 utc | 460

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 5:25 utc | 462
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I have a few unsubstantiated theories about the Axis (Russia, Iran, China) and their strategic patience.
The bottom line is that I don’t think they want to force head-to-head confrontations. I believe they want to wait out their opponents. Every day they don’t fight is a day that their enemy is weakened. Persia, China, and Russia have been around for a long time and probably plan to be around for a lot longer. They have fought and lost, they have been occupied, they have collapsed and come back.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:30 utc | 461

It is claimed explosions happened all across Iran many likely far beyond missile range and images shown don’t appear to be missile strikes, most likely bombs placed in the apartments/buildings.
Posted by: Spark | Jun 13 2025 5:25 utc | 461
This is as far as I can tell.
A Mossad-MEK operation. The F-35 fighter dance going on the sky is probably just kabuki theatre.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 5:32 utc | 462

Iran to officially declare War.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 13 2025 5:33 utc | 463

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 5:23 utc | 459–
Excellent hypothesis. Perhaps done before. Still lots of fog.
Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 5:19 utc | 458–
Thanks for your reply. My morning will bring more news to sift.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 5:34 utc | 464

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 5:28 utc | 465
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Many Israelis are dual passport-holding Russians.
Putin, like the rest, has to play both sides.
I could never do politics. I can’t be for and against at the same time.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:36 utc | 465

LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:30 utc | 468–
Understand your POV, but Khamenei has ordered a retaliatory strike.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 5:37 utc | 466

Netanyahu is a psychopath who should be thrown in prison and then the key should be thrown away.

Posted by: WMG | Jun 13 2025 5:41 utc | 467

If Qatar is involved, so is likely Erdogan’s Türkiye … the two allied nations of the Muslim Brotherhood terror groups, banned in the Arab States of Saudi Arabia and UAE. Egypt’s Sisi too is not a fan of Muslim Brothers and Jordan has the shivers now of large numbers of MB within.
Türkiye [HTS terrorists] is the big winner in victory over Al Assad in Syria.
This attack on Iran may well be supported by the United States to strike at its Shabad drones export to Russia, fuelling the proxy war in Ukraine.
Most of recent weeks has been kabuki theatre in Washington DC and the White House. Witkoff as a “peace” negotiator may as well retire now … no credibility left.
Noted a few days ago …

Report: Multiple Israeli defense companies have signed contracts with Qatar, with state approval, to supply Qatar with weapons, ammunition, cyber technology, and other sophisticated weaponry.
— FJ (@Natsecjeff) June 10, 2025

Headline in Tehran:
Israel, with US help, targeted civilian areas in Iran; must await ‘severe response’: Military spox | PressTV |

Posted by: Oui | Jun 13 2025 5:41 utc | 468

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 5:37 utc | 474
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He had to now because he is on the verge of losing the country if he doesn’t strike back.
The people (anywhere) will not support a government that does not protect them. That is always in Israel’s calculations. With Syria, with Iran, with Lebanon.
It is the Western way of effeminate queer warfare. Assassinations and color revolutions. They don’t want to put boots on the ground if they don’t have to. They prefer to bomb from 5,000 feet and never have to look their victim in the eyes.
Now we will find out how badly Russia and China want the North-South corridor. Will they fight for it?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:42 utc | 469

If Iran’s Air Defence Radar failed then they should give up any notions of a defensive warfare and begin a missile offensive immediately.
Use it or lose it, Iran.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 5:43 utc | 470

Natanz nuclear facility is completely destroyed. This was the most important facility in Iran.
And zero air defenses? Even if Iran destroys Israel, Israel has reached its objective by setting back the nuclear program at least 10-15 years.
Iran must have been compromised at all levels. And how can you have your top brass walking around town when you know there is an attack coming.
i fear that their response will be as tepid as their preparedness. Since many of the missile facilities were attacked as well.
In another post I said Iran is in deep shit. Someone commented according to whom? Just open your eyes and stop fantasizing. Iran got a good licking and wasnt even ready for it. I dont know how they will recover from this.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 13 2025 5:44 utc | 471

B says at beginning of this article-
“There is some noise that an Israeli and/or U.S. attack on Iran is imminent. I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran and not as serious war planning.”
Well, Israel is bombing Tehran and other nuclear sites in Iran right now-
https://www.theguardian.com/europe
You sure blew that one, mr armchair politico ‘B’.

Posted by: deschutes | Jun 13 2025 5:44 utc | 472

200 drones headed to Israel.
https://t.me/intelslava/75797

Posted by: Mary | Jun 13 2025 5:45 utc | 473

Intel Slava
🇯🇴⚡️Jordanian News Agency:
Air traffic for all aircraft arriving, departing and transiting through the Kingdom of Jordan has been temporarily suspended.
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01:08

Posted by: Mary | Jun 13 2025 5:46 utc | 474

Posted by: deschutes | Jun 13 2025 5:44 utc | 480
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Bernard doesn’t have to be correct. He’s entitled to an opinion, seeing as how this is his site. He provides a venue for small-minded vermin (such as yourself) to criticize.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:47 utc | 475

Larry Johnson (SONAR 21) posted his view on the latest developments in Iran:
https://sonar21.com/israel-attacks-iran/

Posted by: WMG | Jun 13 2025 5:48 utc | 476

200 constitutes hardly “a swarm” needed to overwhelm Israeli missile shield.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 13 2025 5:49 utc | 477

Posted by: Oui | Jun 13 2025 5:49 utc | 485
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Think tactically. 200 is to test and drain munitions.
After this, Iran can map out the current Israeli air defenses and their time to respond.
It’s like a fight. You size the opponent up, you don’t rush in guns blazing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:51 utc | 478

Israel basically defeated Iran here – Putin flopped and failed, Syria already fell.. Hezbollah defeated.. the axis of resistance is over and done, never was to be honest, and Putin will probably cut a deal with Trump and Iran will have a revolution at some point.. Israel pretty much gets to kick the palestinians out and expand their territory into Syria safely without any sort of resistance now

Posted by: aaaa | Jun 13 2025 5:52 utc | 479

I just had some tasty Iranian dates (dried fruit). I really like dates I eat a few kilos a month, I saw some from Israel on the shelf once also and I wouldnt take them if they were free. I also would never buy USA food, but most is banned in EU anyway since its full of poison and GMO. I grow most of my food anyway, live in the country. Cant grow dates tho.
Nothing new around here, no point really yelling what Iran should or shouldnt do. They have been around forever and seem like a solid bunch so they know what to do, I am sending them good vibes so the dates keep exporting.

Posted by: Jzo | Jun 13 2025 5:54 utc | 480

Posted by: aaaa | Jun 13 2025 5:52 utc | 487
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That made me LOL.
This is just the beginning. This could go on for months. Hell, it could go on for years.
And don’t sleep on Hezbollah. They still have most of their arms.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 5:55 utc | 481

Israel basically defeated Iran here
Posted by: aaaa | Jun 13 2025 5:52 utc | 487

What happens next?
https://finviz.com/futures.ashx

Posted by: too scents | Jun 13 2025 5:56 utc | 482

Posted by: deschutes | Jun 13 2025 5:44 utc | 480
Although this thread is about Iran, since the war in Ukraine started I would no longer trust The Guardian one iota. Since the Russian SMO entered Ukraine it converted into a flag waver for gaslighted British anti-Russian views and so used its alternative-leftist former credibility to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Most of its neo-left clique that bears no resemblance to any genuine leftist politics are more concerned about a pimple on their cheek and ticks of kudos on Facebook than anything serious concerning geopolitics. They also redact what they don’t want in terms of comments on articles (if there are any possibilities to make them anymore) so only one story can be told like most MS media. Given the current UK general media is pro-Zionist I’d be careful accepting anything The Guardian now claims.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 5:59 utc | 483

What a year for Israel. The continued ethnic cleansing of Palestine and now the destruction of Iran. The worse for the Middle East and the world is yet to come.

Posted by: bored | Jun 13 2025 6:02 utc | 484

WATCH: Outside the Israeli Embassy in Warshington DC
https://x.com/Talha_mirza5/status/1933361310156157218
BREAKING: “Security fencing and police presence are increasing outside the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC.”
#TruePromise2 #StandwithIran #ExpelAllIsraeliAmbassadorsNow

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 6:03 utc | 485

@
It’s funny, i saw the headlines this am and thought the exact same thing. Donnie trying his NY real estate shyster tricks on Iran. What a moron. I bet they are laughing from St Petersburg to Shanghai.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 12 2025 17:11 utc | 10
Nothing funny about being dead wrong, nothing funny about the ‘peacemaker’ president starting WW3. What a moron indeed, i was dead right about that one i guess.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 13 2025 6:04 utc | 486

I don’t think Trump can be an idiot and an evil genius on the same day.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 13 2025 4:43 utc | 435
I think that’s actually his super power.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 6:04 utc | 487

🇮🇱⚡️🇮🇷 Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s plane has taken off due to a potential response from Tehran to last night’s attacks.

Bibi on the run. Zionists are such cowards.
https://x.com/Cyberspec1/status/1933402543318839633

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 6:07 utc | 488

@aaa @joe911 @hamas710 Fuck Off you murderous bastards Hasbarist liars

Posted by: Oui | Jun 13 2025 6:07 utc | 489

Free Markets ==> https://oilprice.com/futures/wti/

Posted by: too scents | Jun 13 2025 6:09 utc | 490

I hate to strike a positive note in times like these but it seems like israel must’ve been really desperate to do this.
What triggered them at this particular time?
How close are they to the edge of the existential cliff that they saw need to risk the consequences of a strike on a capable foe – one with the ability to end them?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 6:13 utc | 491

There is nothing more pathetic than a white supremacist.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:39 utc | 228
You are either a LIAR or RETARDED. Which one?
The achievements of White Men is the reason you are alive today. You are so insecure you can not admit of their accomplishments.
Your cawing of racial divisiveness is your intellectual oligarch masters plan to keep you and your ilk stupid and controllable. So dumb you can not even understand the most basic divide and conquer.
Way to go Zionist pig pawn. You truly are pea brained, and perhaps deserving of the role of goyim.

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 6:16 utc | 492

As to no U$ involvement prior.
The guys monitoring late nite pizza orders to the Pentagon know their surveilling.
Also, Freddie’s Beach Bar, the closest gay bar to the Pentagon, recorded an anomalous almost empty bar on Thursday night.
= A Busy Night at the Pentagon

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 6:20 utc | 493

🇮🇷🇮🇱⚡️BREAKING: Initial reports that the “Tzofar” system, the system that activates and sends out red alerts, is under cyberattack.

Tzofar is an Israeli civilian warning system.

👀🇮🇷⚡AZERBAIJANI JETS AIRBORNE

No idea what this means…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 6:20 utc | 494

👀🇮🇷⚡AZERBAIJANI JETS AIRBORNE
No idea what this means…
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 6:20 utc | 504
Seems to suggest they’re part of the attack.
As speculated for some years now …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 6:24 utc | 495

Before the Israeli attack I believe I saw several “Iranian military” accounts in Twitter bragging about how prepared they were.
https://x.com/IRIran_Military/status/1932955880389046572
Iran Military
@IRIran_Military
We are totally worry-free
A football match later, their top officials get butchered. I hope not to sound like a “concern troll” but whole picture doesn’t seem very promising for the axis.
Any suficient response by Irán might trigger US involvement (oh look what those evil antisemite Iranians did to poor Israel) while Russia and China whistle with their hand and their pockets and their eyes on their own shoes. Only North Korea and Yemen give some hope but picture is bleak.
Round 2 begins and our fighter has already taken quite a beating. My will is with Iran but my money would be on Israel (if I had any money to bet anyways)

Posted by: Mariátegui | Jun 13 2025 6:27 utc | 496

“I don’t think Trump can be an idiot and an evil genius on the same day.
Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 13 2025 4:43 utc | 435
I think that’s actually his super power.”
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 6:04 utc | 495
People seem to have trouble understanding Trump.
Nothing justifies his behaviour, but ‘overt grandiose narcissism’ which he has been said display by some high level psychologists can be described as someone with a personality that displays “a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy” (American Psychiatric Association, 2013, p. 645).
Lack of empathy or none at all – hence they often operate with no regard of feeling for anyone else. Some might call that evil, but what sort of evil are they talking about? Religious (i.e. Bible) or secular? And what is the definition? George W. Bush used it all the time, but no one ever asked him what he meant. Philosophers have been debating that question for a very long time and actually do come to some good definitions, but the media and politicians like to use the term at whim

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 6:28 utc | 497

🇸🇦 🇮🇱⚡🇮🇷 Israeli Jets intercepting drones over Suadi Arabia assisting Saudi jets.

Good. I hope all of the Gulf Kingdoms back Israel.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 6:36 utc | 498

Discussion about how the failure to execute True Promise III destroyed Iranian deterrent capability (at least in the eyes of its most significant enemy):
https://youtu.be/ApJYFKI6MBo?si=X2n_Lon1jZB_KMAY
(Jamarl Thomas is one of my favourites.)
The greatest risk now for the Iranian state is that it doesn’t demonstrate to the Iranian people that it has credible deterrent and defensive and punitive capability.
Once the state loses its monopoly on violence to a third party, external or internal, its days are numbered on one hand.
The Iranian bureaucracy may think it can sit this out, weather the storm, bluff about “strategic patience” but the population will lose respect for the state immediately.
It won’t be long before ethnic, religious, ideological and class bonds start to loosen rapidly, which mossad, MI6, MIT and CIA will move immediately to exploit.
Next will follow an internal disintegration, accelerated by external attacks, finally culminating in the collapse of the state.
This is one likely scenario … IF.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 6:36 utc | 499

There is nothing more pathetic than a white supremacist.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:39 utc | 228
Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 6:16 utc | 502 (below)
“You are either a LIAR or RETARDED. Which one?”
Then:
“The ahievements of White Men is the reason you are alive today. You are so insecure you can not admit of their accomplishments.”
What a load of simplistic horse sh*t garbage argument replete with ad hominem play ground name calling. Did you leave school at three years of age?
He’s alive today because his parents copulated in the first place and he has managed to survive in a competitive and difficult world.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 6:40 utc | 500