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June 12, 2025
Trump’s Attempt To Scare Monger Iran Into Nuclear Restrictions Will Fail

There is some noise that an Israeli and/or U.S. attack on Iran is imminent. I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran and not as serious war planning.

Israel wants the U.S. to destroy Iran. It would be the last of the seven countries in five years plan of destruction the U.S. had activated, with Israel's prodding, in 2003.

President Donald Trump wants to avoid a war with Iran. He has nothing to gain from it. But he is under pressure by the Zionist lobby. Instead of bombing Iran he would prefer to shut down its civil nuclear program. Its existence makes Iran a latent nuclear weapon state. Iran denies that it is striving to get nuclear weapons. U.S. intelligence has found that Iran has no current program that would lead to weapon capabilities.

It was Trump who in 2018 withdrew the U.S. from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) which had limited Iran's nuclear industry and had put it under strict surveillance. Iran waited a year before it took retaliatory measure by increasing its enrichment of nuclear fuel and by decreasing its cooperation with the inspectors of the IAEA who are supervising Iran's adherence to the JCPOA.

With Trump back in office he set out to push Iran towards a new agreement that would, he hoped, eliminate all enrichment of nuclear fuel in Iran. There is no chance to achieve that. Nuclear enrichment is an inalienable right of all nation under the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and Iran insists on not being blocked from it.

Trump decided on a two pronged strategy. He would push the IAEA and the European co-signers of the JCPOA to condemn Iran with the perspective of reestablishing UN mandated sanction on Iran. He would also offer Iran a new kind of JCPOA to again limit its nuclear development abilities.

Trump had sent out his envoy Steve Witkoff to push Iran towards a new agreement. He however mangled the constrains Iran should agree to. Witkoff told the Iranians that they would be allowed to enrich Uranium to 3.6% as needed for a civil nuclear reactor. A few days later Trump ordered that to be 0% – i.e. no enrichment at all. This went back and forth several times.

The JCPOA was a very fine balanced and very technical agreement that took many months to conclude. Trumps offer to Iran is a "dollar-store-JCPOA", incomplete and with many clauses Iran would never agree to.

Trump has made negotiations even more difficult when he publicly demanded Iran to surrender completely:

The president outlined his vision for a new agreement during a White House presser on Wednesday, calling for a “very strong document” that would effectively give Washington carte blanche over Tehran’s nuclear energy program.

“I want it very strong – where we can go in with inspectors, we can take whatever we want, we can blow up whatever we want, but [with] nobody getting killed,” he told reporters. “We can blow up a lab, but nobody is gonna be in the lab, as opposed to everybody being in the lab and blowing it up.”

He did not elaborate on those remarks, however, leaving it unclear whether Washington had actually pushed for such major concessions at the negotiating table. The Islamic Republic would be unlikely to accept a deal under those terms.

Iran had answered appropriately (archived):

The Trump administration over the weekend proposed the outline of a deal that would seem to allow Iran to continue enriching uranium, which had been a sticking point in talks — but only temporarily. With talks at an impasse, the proposal was seen as a potential concession that could open a path to compromise.

In his first public remarks since the proposal was reported on, Ayatollah Khamenei said that Iran’s “response to the U.S. government’s nonsense is clear.”

He said in a speech that it would be “useless” for Iran to build nuclear power plants without being able to enrich uranium over the long term, framing the U.S. proposal as an attempt to obstruct Iran’s nuclear industry and self-reliance.

With no prospect of a deal in the making the attention turned to the second leg of Trump's strategy.

The way to reinstate UN sanctions on Iran, as they had existed before the JCPOA, is also a complicate business. But here pressure on the relevant actors has allowed Trump to proceed.

The head of the IAEA regularly reports to the IAEA Board of Governors about its verification and monitoring of nuclear issues in Iran.

In his latest report the IAEA's General Director Rafael Grossi repeated 20+ years old well known facts but came to new 'conclusions' about them:

While many of the findings relate to activities dating back decades and have been made before, the IAEA report's conclusions were more definitive. It summarised developments in recent years and pointed more clearly towards coordinated, secret activities, some of which were relevant to producing nuclear weapons.

It also spelled out that Iran's cooperation with IAEA continues to be "less than satisfactory" in "a number of respects". The IAEA is still seeking explanations for uranium traces found years ago at two of four sites it has been investigating. Three hosted secret experiments, it found.

The IAEA has concluded that "these three locations, and other possible related locations, were part of an undeclared structured nuclear programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s and that some activities used undeclared nuclear material", the report said.

Iran insists that nothing nuclear ever had happened at those sites and that if any traces of radioactive materials had been found there they must have been planted.

Iran has by the way serious reasons to not trust Grossi:

The Cradle @TheCradleMedia – 11:01 UTC · Jun 12, 2025

BREAKING | Leaked documents released by Iranian media reportedly reveal that International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi has been fully coordinating with Israel and carrying out its directives.

These files are part of the sensitive intelligence cache Iran recently seized from Israel.
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Following Grossi's latest report the U.S. proxies at the IAEA Board of Governors declared Iran to be in breach of its obligations:

The U.N. nuclear watchdog's 35-nation Board of Governors declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations on Thursday for the first time in almost 20 years, raising the prospect of reporting it to the U.N. Security Council.

Diplomats at the closed-door meeting said the board passed the resolution submitted by the United States, Britain, France and Germany with 19 countries in favour, 11 abstentions and three states – Russia, China and Burkina Faso – against.

The text, seen by Reuters, declares Iran in breach of its obligations given a damning report the IAEA sent to member states on May 31.

"The Board of Governors… finds that Iran's many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to provide the Agency with full and timely cooperation regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple undeclared locations in Iran … constitutes non-compliance with its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the Agency," the text said.

A central issue is Iran's failure to provide the IAEA with credible explanations of how uranium traces detected at undeclared sites in Iran came to be there despite the agency having investigated the issue for years.

The chutzpah is strong in this. The U.S., UK, Germany and France accuse Iran of non compliance with the JCPOA which the U.S. had shredded in 2018 and which the Europeans refused to abide to when they kept export restrictions on Iran.

This all because of alleged traces of nuclear material found at places that had allegedly been used more than twenty years ago.

There was no reason for Grossi to put this out now or for the Board of Governors to react to it but pressure from the U.S. to rebuild a path towards UN sanctions.

Iran immediately reacted, as it had previously announced, to the Board's finding:

Iran has condemned a “politically-motivated” resolution adopted by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors, saying it will build a new enrichment facility in a secure location.

The new site will replace the first-generation enrichment machines at Fordow nuclear facility with advanced sixth-generation ones, it emphasized.

The next step is for one of the European co-signers of the JCPOA to push the Board of Governors resolution to the UN Security Council. This could lead to a re-activation of international sanctions on Iran which had been suspended under UN resolution 2231 when it endorsed the JCPOA.

Iran has said that it would respond to such a step by leaving the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That would allow Iran, after a year, to peruse nuclear weapons without any legal restrictions.

In parallel to the IAEA action a well coordinated information campaign was launched to create the impression of an imminent attack on Iran:

Setting everyone on edge and grasping for insight, the Trump administration issued evacuation orders for non-essential personnel at the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, and its diplomatic facilities in Bahrain and Kuwait on Wednesday.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also reportedly told FOX News that there would be voluntary departure for dependents of military personnel serving in the Central Command (CENTCOM) area of operations across the Middle East.

Meanwhile, the UK's Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO), a British maritime security agency, issued its own "unusual" warning, citing “increasing regional tension” that could pose threats to ships in the region.

By Wednesday night, the media was speculating widely that the administration is worried about an imminent strike by Israel on Iran. Asked about the developments at a Kennedy Center event, Trump acknowledged that U.S. citizens were being moved out of the Middle East, saying “it could be a dangerous place. … We’ve given notice to move out; we’ll see what happens.”

“We are watching and worried,” one senior diplomat in the region told the Washington Post. “We think it’s more serious than any other time in the past.”

All this is to give the impression that Israel is out of control:

Israel is considering taking military action against Iran — most likely without U.S. support — in the coming days, even as President Donald Trump is in advanced discussions with Tehran about a diplomatic deal to curtail its nuclear program, according to five people with knowledge of the situation.

Israel has become more serious about a unilateral strike on Iran as the negotiations between the United States and Iran appear closer to a preliminary or framework agreement that includes provisions about uranium enrichment that Israel views as unacceptable.

Details about the Israeli discussions emerged before the International Atomic Energy Agency's board of governors formally found that Iran isn’t complying with its nuclear obligations for the first time in 20 years.

Israel does not have the means to attack Iran. Bombing Iran's nuclear facilities effectively is extremely challenging. Even their destruction would only delay, not hinder Iran from pursuing whatever nuclear program it likes.

The rumors of an attack on Iran are most likely just scaremongering to press Iran into agreeing to Trump's nonsensical demands of restrictions for its nuclear program. Iran is unlikely to fall for this.

Anything Israel might try unilaterally would be for the sole purpose of drawing the U.S. into a war with Iran.

Trump wants lower oil prices and freedom to pursue his domestic agenda. I strongly doubt that he will allow Israel to pull him into a war as there is nothing to win for him.

Comments

Jason @238. It is logical to presume that the vast majority of Iran’s nuclear labs are safely ensconced deep underground and essentially untouchable.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:46 utc | 301

Iran should have gone through with operation true promise 3.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 2:46 utc | 302

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 2:38 utc | 293 “And yeah. The bombs have been planted there with the op obviously going back a long time….”
A bunch were likely SDB’s launched from F-35’s. Likely after Iran’s air defenses were, at least temporarily neutralized.
However, I don’t see how Iran doesn’t respond once they get their act together. And they have many, many more missiles than Israel has interceptors, even including what the US has in the area. If Iran doesn’t waste their ballistic missiles on Israeli air bases, and instead hit power plants, for instance, they can shut Israel down.

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 2:47 utc | 303

@ed4
Er…um what? Ever look at a map? Persian gulf…narrow, shallow sea. Crawling with iranian navy. Gulf of oman, easily observable small area also full of iranian navy. What kind of range do you think isreali missles have in those small boats? You think they could launch from Indian ocean? Tell me er…um.

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 2:47 utc | 304

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 13 2025 2:40 utc | 300
Dimona is fair game as Natanz was attacked. The only real way of establishing deterrence is reciprocity. So NPP’s and politicians are all fair game. Also in the USA, UK, and Germany. I have no idea what they will do but at this point the ROW outside the collective waste will not consider a lack of restraint a vice. Many of us in it won’t either.

Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 13 2025 2:48 utc | 305

Well this aged badly and quick, unfortunately.
Israel just attacked all over Iran including nuclear sites, tehran, and air defense.
Initial reports are no damage to nuclear facilities, lots of dead Iranian high command, attacks on air defense and little to no air defense by Iran.
Not looking good for anyone except Satanyahoo and the zios right about now.

Posted by: N | Jun 13 2025 2:49 utc | 306

Tom_Q_Collins @238. When a Jewish man such as Finkelstein (along with several other Jewish humanists) have emphasized the lying nature of the Izzy Zionists…it reminds me of some of the ancient Hebrew prophets who called out the leadership.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:49 utc | 307

For the world war II experts,
Did people realize that Pearl Harbour was strategic failure very quickly, while the battleships were sinking?
I know it’s obvious in hindsight.
Is Israel attempting a successful pearl harbour?

Posted by: Afro | Jun 13 2025 2:52 utc | 308

Ed4@247. Perhaps the most prime target is all of Yidistan would be the refineries, oil tanks and docking piers in Haifa. Cut the bass-turds off in their balls.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:53 utc | 309

So nuclear war is serious and all, But this doesn’t feel right, it’s way to scripted and matter of fact. Where is the Iranian/Russian AD? The officials killed did a fine job being available. Lot of things wrong.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 13 2025 2:55 utc | 310

aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:44 utc | 304
The information I posted was not based on “claims”; they were from Iranian state media. In other words, they were admissions, not claims, and therefore, unfortunately, credible.

Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:55 utc | 311

Iranian air defense and intelligence really disappointing. It seems it was a mix of terrorist attack with some missiles incoming. Bet the US is telling iran to forget about retaliation or else they’ll “have to” step in for its ally israhell. Putin must be in the same duty on the other side of the fence but how many hits can iran take unanswered in the sake of strategic patience?

Posted by: Mariátegui | Jun 13 2025 2:56 utc | 312

N. @249. You appear to be happy about the Izzy claims of having murdered much of Iran’s high command. That is based on an assumption that the leaders of one of the world’s most ancient civilizations have yet to graduate from Kindergarten and simply did not read the mass of warning signs.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:56 utc | 313

@ Tom_Q_Collins @238. When a Jewish man such as Finkelstein (along with several other Jewish humanists) have emphasized the lying nature of the Izzy Zionists…it reminds me of some of the ancient Hebrew prophets who called out the leadership.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:49 utc | 312
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It reminds me that the Zionazi entity was named after a liar.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 2:57 utc | 314

BadJoke@248. Symbologically the prime target would be both the Knesset and Supreme Court buildings which were paid for and designed at the behest of the Rottenchild Crime Clan.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:58 utc | 315

As I said in ‘other’ thread yesterday (and now proven true):
The Anglo-Zionists destroyed Hezbollah and have been occupying Southern Lebanon since. They along with their Persian Gulf Arab & Turkish allies destroyed Syria and installed an Al-CIA-duh operative as leader. They have also occupied Western Syria without a peep from the Al-CIA-duh administrator. Egypt and Jordan have been owned and operated by then for decades. Iraq has been disarmed. Yemen is just a nuisance; unable to do anything other than harass shipping and the odd lobbed projectile towards the occupied territories.
Obviously the only thing left to complete the servitude of the region is to destroy the only remaining naye sayer; Iran.
The forum seems to think it will not be an easy task but remember that there are millions of Iranian exiles with extended families and friends whom have been promised riches in the new yet to be installed administration. Let’s not forget to Azeri/Kurd/Arab/Baloch minorities have been promised self determination for their treason.
Have you all forgotten the Persian and Turkic speakers of Afghanistan whom for a few Rubles and administration positions butchered fellow Afghans for the Soviets? The exact same ‘ardent’ communists magically became ‘ardent’ supporters of “democracy” and pasties of NATO occupation overnight.
Corruption and treachery are endemic to the region and the Anglo-Zionists know whom to buy.
Posted by: Saag | Jun 12 2025 0:50 utc | 38

Posted by: Saag | Jun 13 2025 2:58 utc | 316

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 2:05 utc | 256
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I didn’t assume your ethnicity.
I stand by how I feel about white supremacists, Hindu supremacists, and Jewish supremacists. The people who need ethnic supremacism are the weakest and saddest people.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 2:58 utc | 317

Expat@255: Had not accessed official Iranian media. Strikes me as strange that those “hits” occurred long after the amber lights were flashing steadily. Could the claims be some form of masquerade? …or were some of those obvious targets comfortably numb. Also, we must not negate the possibility of agents in place…mostly supporters of the Shah’s regime and other ideological malcontents.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 3:02 utc | 318

Strategic patience for the win. I’m sure the sixth round of negotiations will see a breakthrough.

Posted by: Clem_Fandango | Jun 13 2025 3:03 utc | 319

Looks like an initial decapitation strike, which had some success. But Iran is not like Hizbullah. They’re not dependent on one charismatic leader or a few. No other successes have been reported yet, though Netanyahu claims they attacked everywhere – unlikely to have worked on the deeply buried facilities. As Netty says they’re going to have to carry on for some time. That’s a weakness.

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 13 2025 3:03 utc | 320

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 2:58 utc | 322
Now only if you had added Christian supremacists, Buddhist supremacistsm, and Islamic supremacists… How do you feel about those, we’re all dying to know about your feelings.
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Posted by: WetNoodle | Jun 13 2025 3:04 utc | 321

Israeli Kahanist leader described the strike as a “targeted military operation to roll back the Iranian threat to Israel’s very survival”.

“We struck at the heart of Iran’s nuclear enrichment programme. We struck at the heart of Iran’s nuclear weaponisation programme. We targeted Iran’s main enrichment facility in Natanz,” he said in an address. “We targeted Iran’s leading nuclear scientists working on the Iranian bomb. We also struck in the heart of Iran’s ballistic missile programme.”
Israel’s ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon, said Israel had launched “Operation Rising Lion” against Iranian nuclear and missile infrastructure.
He also thanked the US, particularly Mr Trump, for its “leadership in confronting Iran’s nuclear weapons programme”.

Humanity had ended some decades ago … at least ☹

Posted by: Oui | Jun 13 2025 3:05 utc | 322

Iran should create nuclear weapons and be able to use them. There are places in Israel that Palestinians are not allowed to go. So test them there.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 3:07 utc | 323

It’s on like Donkey Kong!
The Ayatollah has given the green light to the armed forces to do whatever they must, and they are holding America complicit (rightfully so, American planes are providing refueling from the Gulf countries).

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:07 utc | 324

“Israeli regime is expected to be wiped out”
Whoever allowed this attack will pay a heavy price, Press TV’s Maryam Azarchehr says.
https://x.com/PressTV/status/1933336032079950218

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 13 2025 3:08 utc | 325

I know, it’s too soon. Caitlin Johnson.
Future New York Times headlines:
– Iranian strikes rock Israel in unprovoked attack
– Israeli families take shelter amid antisemitic terror bombing
– Israeli defense minister: U.S. campus protesters somehow knew about Iranian strikes in advance, indicating Tehran coordination.
– Trump privately voices frustration with Netanyahu over Iran conflict the U.S. is just passively, innocently witnessing
– American Jews feeling anxious, unsupported amid spiraling wars in the Middle East
– Opinion: I feared for my life during airstrikes on Tel Aviv. Nobody in the world can possibly understand what this is like.
– Opinion: Is the U.S. at risk of being drawn into another Middle Eastern war?
– Opinion: Is the U.S. stumbling into another Middle Eastern war?
– Opinion: Is the U.S. accidentally oopsie poopsie bungling into another Middle Eastern war?
– Opinion: Is the U.S. being dragged kicking and screaming into a war in the Middle East, something it historically tries to avoid at all cost?
– US launches strikes on Iran in preemptive attack
– Opinion: Is the U.S. being sucked into a third world war?
– Opinion: Is the U.S. tumbling headlong into a nuclear exchange with Russia and China?
– Opinion: The sky is darkening as nuclear radiation creeps across our land, so we must all come together and condemn Hamas
Opinion: The earth is a barren wasteland. Nothing remains. Check on your Jewish friends.

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 13 2025 3:11 utc | 326

Posted by: WetNoodle | Jun 13 2025 3:04 utc | 326
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Religious supremacy is not racial supremacy.
Zionists are not religious. They are colonizers. They are Europeans and Americans.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:12 utc | 327

Khamenei speaks:
BREAKING – Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Sayyed Ali Khamenei:

O great nation of Iran!
At dawn today, the zionist regime opened its dirty and bloody hand in a crime in our beloved country and revealed its evil nature more than ever by hitting residential centers. The regime must expect a severe punishment.
The powerful hand of the armed forces of the Islamic Republic will not abandon it, Allah willing.
In the enemy attacks, several commanders and scientists were martyred. Their successors and colleagues will immediately resume their duties, Allah willing.
With this crime, the zionist regime prepared for itself a bitter and painful fate and it will definitely receive it.

Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 3:12 utc | 328

The question is how much Iran may have been compromised by traitors the Izzies bought off to sabotage Iran’s strike-back capabilities.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 13 2025 3:13 utc | 329

ALL 3 RC-135 Rivet Joint (2x USAF, 1x RAF) reconnaissance aircraft deployed to Al Udeid airbase in Qatar have scrambled and are heading west.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:16 utc | 330

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:07 utc | 329 “American planes are providing refueling from the Gulf countries”
Do the Gulf countries know this?

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 3:17 utc | 331

According to recent visitors to Iran, some of whom have been hawking their forks in numbers of resistance YT vids since amerika’s trump announced during his first week in office that ‘he would own Gaza’ followed by the bulldust run-arounds amerika, blatantly at the zionist entity’s insistence, foisting obvious deceptions about Iran via press release ever since, the word from ‘the Persian Street*’ is that more that 60% ordinary Iranians now believe that their nation needs to build a few nuclear devices immediately; lest the entity nukes them and ‘the west’ all lies about it afterwards.
The Iran government & Supreme Leader are quelling this and saying that they won’t because …insert moralist argument against nukes here . . . but I agree with ordinary Iranians that this mob of imperialists frequently behave like mad dogs & then cool down once they’ve got what they want except for the times when they don’t quit the mad dog act and follow through on their blustering. They do not do the mad dog act with North Korea any more and we all know why. The fact that zionists and their imperialist overlords are so insistent Iran not have nukes gives the game away. Iran having nukes would create a whole new reality in the way that either of those gutless mobs discuss Iran and we all know it.
So I’ll shout from the rooftops that Iran is morally opposed to having nukes just as I always have but I reckon more even strongly now that Iran needs to tool up with nukes in secret, right until the day of the first test of an Iranian nuke .
This amerikan short-sighted stupidity will be the reason that over the next couple of decades, every middle sized regional power will be forced to do the same. Amerika’s bulldust ‘non-proliferation pressure’ will cause vast proliferation by 2050.
*D’ya appreciate the slimy orientalism? sort of thing you can still see in any western fishwrap

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 13 2025 3:18 utc | 332

So yes, this absolutely had to be another of the pre-planted explosives or nearby drone launched attacks from within or in the outskirts of Tehran. Because I doubt the Iranians are stupid enough to keep important figures in the same locations/residences as prior to the previous hidden bomb attacks, I’ll go with the latter option for now; perhaps shoulder rocket launchers over planted bombs. Cruise missiles did not do the damage shown to the apartment building. Seemingly and implicitly confirmed by Israeli statements:

Israeli military chief says army ‘mobilising tens of thousands’ of soldiers
In a televised address, Israeli military chief of staff Eyal Zamir said the army is “mobilising tens of thousands of soldiers and preparing across all borders”, as he warned that “anyone who tries to challenge us will pay a heavy price”.
“People of Israel, I can’t promise absolute success. The Iranian regime will attempt to attack us in response. The expected cost will be different from what we are used to,” Zamir said.
We have been preparing this operation for a long time; unprecedented efforts have been made across all branches and directorates to achieve readiness against the tangible and present threat,” he added.

(my emphasis)
Additionally, the Iranians have a serious problem with their own internal operational security and have some infiltrators to deal with. They also seem to be way too complacent in the face of their diabolical enemies who view any non-Chosen as subhuman and always will. Why important command figures weren’t in safe locations is a mystery.
@Saag above poster makes good points. There are likely numerous disloyalists and easily bribed people in Iran who operate undercover, in the hopes of toppling the current government for their Western and Jewish masters.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 3:18 utc | 333

— ❗️🇮🇷 🇮🇷 Spokesman for the Iranian General Staff: ‘Iran considers both Israel and the United States equally responsible’
@Middle_East_Spectator

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 3:21 utc | 334

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 3:17 utc | 336
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The year is 2025, and there are these things called “flight trackers”; everyone can see it happening in real time.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:21 utc | 335

“(rightfully so, American planes are providing refueling from the Gulf countries).”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:07 utc | 329
George Galloway verified that last night (Australian time) on X and provided a map with the flight path of the tanker aircraft.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 3:21 utc | 336

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 3:18 utc | 338
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More Yankee cope, please!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:22 utc | 337

@325 Laguerre
Yes. The question is if US enters the fray, because long range from “Israel” is not durable, meaning Iran would normaly be able to outlast and outmatch a lone attempt.
I expect US would step in if “Israel” found itself out of ability. Obviously if US bases are attacked it would take part earlier.
Even now I expect it is supplying various logistics.
Previous statements by the US seemed to indicate it was prepared to, expects to, participate directly.
All the various groups in the region reorientating their direction and actions, makes for a very difficult picture.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2025 3:22 utc | 338

RE: Lot of things wrong.
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 13 2025 2:55 utc | 315
Agreed.
One building looked like very clean precision strike. In the middle of the City. May have been IRGC Headquarters?
Or perhaps just an apartment building. Looked to be at least 17-18 floors. Bombed and burnt out. Firetrucks driving on road, 3-4 people rummaging the building. Yet, not a single ambulance in the vicinity or parked to rescue or help anyone. Hardly any people. Guessing closed off.
Wasn’t anything close to the apartment bombing we saw in Lebanon with the people and debris, chaos and people.
RT has already stopped their “live” feeds.
Time will tell.
I’d be interested in seeing Iran’s “surprise” they mentioned yesterday.
USReal is desperate beyond belief.
Iran should just do nothing and let USReal fall flat on its face. It’ll be gone, at this rate, in 5 years anyways.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 13 2025 3:24 utc | 339

Major General Mohammad Bagheri, Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran, is confirmed alive and in the op room.

Remember, Mossad and the media will be conducting a lot of media operations.
Don’t believe the deaths until there is an official Iranian statement.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:24 utc | 340

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:21 utc | 340 “The year is 2025, and there are these things called “flight trackers”; everyone can see it happening in real time.”
Perhaps you can share a link that shows the track of a US tanker refueling an Israeli aircraft in the last few hours?
And since you are claiming it is common knowledge, are the Gulf countries okay with it?

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 3:25 utc | 341

O great nation of Iran!
Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 3:12 utc | 333
O Khamenei, words will not save you now.
Better you pipe down and let the missiles do the talking.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 3:26 utc | 342

Third wave of Israeli attacks on Iran underway: Report
Israeli fighter jets have begun a third wave of attacks targeting radars and air defences in Iran, the New York Times reports, citing two unnamed Iranian officials.

More Yankee cope, please!
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:22 utc | 342
What the fuck are you even talking about at this point, Charlie Brown? It’s “coping” to point out the obvious flaws in the Iranians’ preparation and readiness against a diabolical enemy who has assassinated important Iranian nuclear scientists in the past?
You’re literally the most annoying person who has ever “graced” this bar, and that’s saying quite something. I think it would be hilarious if it turned out that you’re some bald 5’6″ overweight British gollum (on his third or fourth handle, at least, BTW) who pretends to be some kind of West Asia and Russia and China and Ukraine expert online.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 3:27 utc | 343

No more just talk from Iran.
Iran has to bomb the shelters so that Israelis can stop thinking those places will protect them while they slaughter other people that do not have them.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 3:28 utc | 344

Ed4 is FUD

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 3:28 utc | 345

RE: Remember, Mossad and the media will be conducting a lot of media operations.
Don’t believe the deaths until there is an official Iranian statement.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:24 utc | 345
Agreed. USReal will drone on about how they destroyed all of Iran with 2 bombs by the afternoon.
Already having people believe they’ve hit every nuclear facility in the whole of Iran.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 13 2025 3:28 utc | 346

Don’t believe the deaths until there is an official Iranian statement.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 3:24 utc | 345
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/SEPAHCYBERY?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
You think those guys are lying? Are you going to break the “official” news when it’s whispered into your ear?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 3:30 utc | 347

@334
How much has Iran been compromised? A lot. There traitors everywhere in Iran and all of them bought by US and Israel. From MEK to the Pahlavi stooges everywhere.
Something is definitely wrong. No air defenses are working. No GPS jamming. Israel knew exactly where to hit. And Iran hasn’t got one missile up in response.
And this when they declared that have their fingers on the switch ready to go. And the general that said it is dead.
If Iran doesn’t act soon, US will join the fight once they smell blood and that will be the end. They will simply be overwhelmed.
And of course, no sign of the so called allies, Russia or China. You mean to tell me that they didn’t see this coming on their satellites or didn’t have any intelligence? Iran is being betrayed on all fronts.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 13 2025 3:30 utc | 348

Sorry, but this won’t make a difference in the Zionist owned capital of the USSA.

Iran attacks may embolden Israel’s critics in Washington
Ali Harb
Ali Harb
Reporting from Washington, DC
Over the past few weeks, polar opposites on the right and left ideological spectrum of US politics have warned Trump to resist being dragged into war with Iran by Israel.
Close allies of the US president, including influential conservative commentator Tucker Carlson and Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene have made the case that conflict with Tehran would go against Trump’s “America first” agenda.
“Americans don’t want to bomb Iran because the secular government of Israel says that Iran is on the verge of developing a nuclear bomb any day now,” Taylor Greene said in a social media post yesterday.
“We’ve been told that for the past 20 years.”
Israel’s first wave of strikes against Iran came less than three hours after Trump reiterated commitment to diplomacy with Tehran.
Support for Israel in the US political establishment remains formidable, but it has been showing cracks in recent years, both in public opinions and amongst politicians – particularly progressive Democrats.
Conflict with Iran, however, will cement views on the right that Israeli and US interests are not one and the same, and could open the door for the so-called America firsters to start questioning the alliance altogether.
Unconditional backing for Israel may start to slip in both major US parties.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 3:32 utc | 349

“I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran and not as serious war planning.”
That didn’t age well, Bernhard…
I. TOLD. YOU. SO. SINCE. 2006.
And literally EVERYONE told me it would never happen…
https://richardstevenhack.substack.com/p/i-told-you-so-since-2006

Posted by: Richard Hack | Jun 13 2025 3:32 utc | 350

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 2:47 utc | 309 “What kind of range do you think isreali missles have in those small boats? You think they could launch from Indian ocean? Tell me er…um.”
The Popeye Turbo SLCM is a reportedly stretched version of the Popeye Turbo developed for use as a submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM), which was widely reported—in a US Navy-observed 2002 test in the Indian Ocean—to have hit a target 1,500 km (930 mi) away

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 3:33 utc | 351

Alpi is FUD. Man, this gets easy! The US military info ops gets worse over time. Yay?

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 3:34 utc | 352

Trump is really channeling his inner FDR.
“No American boy will go to die in a foreign war in my presidency!”
But he didn’t say “No transgender will go to die…”
Trump: “J. Powell tells us it’s getting real. China is buying less. Japan won’t put up with this very much longer. We are having trouble managing inflation. Russia is not taking the bait and the MAGA-tards are getting increasingly suspicious that I am indeed in bed with the globalists. The Epstein stuff isn’t working and they are on to Thiel’s Palantir that we’re working on. We need something big, but WE HAVE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WE DIDN’T WANT IT TO HAPPEN! Americans are stupid but they have a heart of gold. They’ll go to war for me but we need something big to happen. Get Bibi on the phone.”

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 13 2025 3:35 utc | 353

General Bagheri has been assassinated as well. The three top generals and the two brains of the military are now dead.
Iran is in deep shit.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 13 2025 3:35 utc | 354

are the Gulf countries okay with it?
Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 3:25 utc | 346
______
I’m sure they’re delighted. They despise Shia Islam and bend over happily for USrael. Their recent rapprochement with Iran was as phony as their rapprochement with Assad’s Syria.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 3:36 utc | 355

@ed4
The Popeye Turbo SLCM
Does Isreal have it? It’s it on the dolphin clasd subs that Isreal has? What’s the range from the Indian ocean to Tehran?

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 3:40 utc | 356

Posted by: Richard Hack | Jun 13 2025 3:32 utc | 356
So Trump and the media’s statements about non-obligatory evacuations of non-essential personnel that hadn’t even started yet were “serious war planning”?
There’s a lot of dunking going on over poor reading comprehension tonight.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 3:40 utc | 357

Every accusation is a confession – or a deflection.

Israel military commander says country at ‘point of no return’ after Iran attack
Israel’s Chief of staff Eyal Zamir said the military launched it attacks on Iran as Israel had reached a “point of no return”.
Describing the early morning strikes on Iran as a “fight to preserve our existence”, Zamir said the military launched the attacks as it could not “wait for another moment to act”.
He also issued this warning: “Anyone who tries to challenge us will pay a heavy price”.

In some ways he’s right. Preserving “our” (meaning the current corrupt and criminally charged leadership) existence is exactly why this has ramped up so quickly. “Israel’s” existence (as a Ziofascist settler colonial apartheid state) has been doomed since before Oct. 7 2023, altho they put the nail much deeper into their own coffin once the genocide really kicked off.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 3:43 utc | 358

General Bagheri has been assassinated as well. The three top generals and the two brains of the military are now dead.
Iran is in deep shit.
Posted by: Alpi | Jun 13 2025 3:35 utc | 360
I’m sorry. According to who?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 3:43 utc | 359

@ Surferket | Jun 13 2025 2:19 utc | 270
you are a piece of shit, and – surprise, surprise – you are also full of shit.. have the last word motherfucker..

Posted by: james | Jun 13 2025 3:45 utc | 360

O great nation of Iran!
Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 3:12 utc | 333
O Khamenei, words will not save you now.
Better you pipe down and let the missiles do the talking.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 3:26 utc | 347
Theocracy. What are you gonna do?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 3:47 utc | 361

The enemy sometimes threatens us with military action. We have always said and we say today that we stand fully ready for any scenarios, situations, and circumstances.
The enemy thinks it can fight Iran the same way it fights defenseless Palestinians who are under an Israeli siege. We are war-tested and experienced.
We are ready, and this is the reality we have been living with for years because being prepared for a war on any scale is our job and duty.
The enemy wants to isolate us politically and impose sanctions, but Iran is so influential that no one can exclude it from regional and global equations.
They could not stand up against the Yemeni youth and were crushed; how can they possibly confront a great nation like Iran?

Islamic Republic of Iran Major General Hossein Salami, reportedly now deceased

Posted by: Call it what u will | Jun 13 2025 3:50 utc | 362

Theocracy. What are you gonna do?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 3:47 utc | 367
This is why theocracy destroys nations.
Mao was right: Religion is Poison.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 3:50 utc | 363

Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 3:43 utc | 365–
Iranian Media and al-Mayadeen.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 3:51 utc | 364

@ Saag | Jun 13 2025 2:58 utc | 321
that appears to be 100% true at this point..

Posted by: james | Jun 13 2025 3:52 utc | 365

Thank you b for informing us fully on this matter. I hope that it will resolve in a rational way. Clearly we cannot expect that from Israel, which is most worrisome.
I haven’t yet read comments on this but I am heartened at your assessment that Trump would be reluctant to participate in an attack. If doing so against the Houthis did not deter them, it is hard to see how this would be any better.
Now I will read, and with matters so hard to understand in the region, I hope and pray those who can accomplish more peacefully will so do.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 13 2025 3:54 utc | 366

aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:44 utc | 304
Re claims of decapitation are only ….claims..
Have you seen the individual apartments in civilian buildings that were all taken out at exactly the same time???
The Israelis have hit the Iranians in their homes….
§|~ Russia… take note.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 3:54 utc | 367

@tom collinSo Trump and the media’s statements about non-obligatory evacuations of non-essential personnel that hadn’t even started yet were “serious war planning”?
I’ve been in an evacuation. Authorized Departure, India, 2002. India and Pakistan were about to nuke each other, for real. It’s no small thing. We were burning docs. Abandoning post. Wrapping up. It was a 5 day process. Movers came and wrapped all my shit up. 5 days and i was out. That’s just me. Then i was given an expense account of meals and incedental expenses, plus rent. For 3 months. So… it’s not a cheap thing, nor casual. It’s a major expense for the government, multipied across the board. They don’t do this for “pressure.” When the US government gives this order, for multiple locations, serious shit is going down.
And to surfershit… you see? Your nothing to me. If the US government cares that much about me… you are literally something i scrape of my shoes.

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 3:57 utc | 368

Panic within Occupied Palestine as genocidalists storm stores for food and bottled water and race to shelters.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 3:58 utc | 369

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 3:40 utc | 362 “What’s the range from the Indian ocean to Tehran?”
Tehran is not the only possible target that Israel might hit in Iran.

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 3:59 utc | 370

Malenkov@336. One question: Does the Arab street in those Gulf dictatorships have the same hatred for the Shias as does their Sailfish rulers? Those regimes are long guilty of playing footsie with the Collective Wa$te…and even to some degree with the Zionistas. Will the quiet simmering boil over if this conflict continues to escalate? (make that two questions).

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 4:00 utc | 371

Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 3:43 utc | 365–
“According to who?”
Mate.
Yes Israel and the U$ lie.
But Iran officially has confirmed.
Is Iran lying for a Hollywood plot twist…. “Nah nah, our guys were only pretending to be dead.”
Nah.
Israel hit and hit hard, and for some dumb inexplicable reason Iran was too lackadaisical to take precautions.
~~~~
I fear Russia is similarly guileless and will be “surprised” in the same way by exactly the same Dark Ops teams.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:01 utc | 372

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 3:43 utc | 365
Yes population of Iran 92 million +
Population of Israel 9.4 million +

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 4:01 utc | 373

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 3:54 utc | 373 Re claims of decapitation are only ….claims.
I don’t know if it is decapitation, but Iranian TV has announced a number of startling high ranking names as being killed. But maybe Israel hacked in and have been running AI videos?
.

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 4:03 utc | 374

alpi@335: I$rael is in deeper $hit. World hatred of the Zionist regime and most of its population is now going into overdrive.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 4:03 utc | 375

Malenkov@336. One question: Does the Arab street in those Gulf dictatorships have the same hatred for the Shias as does their Sailfish rulers? Those regimes are long guilty of playing footsie with the Collective Wa$te…and even to some degree with the Zionistas. Will the quiet simmering boil over if this conflict continues to escalate? (make that two questions).
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 4:00 utc | 377
_______
To your two questions:
ad 1. I doubt it, but does it matter?
ad 2. Probably not. They’re not organized and understandably don’t want to die protesting.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 4:04 utc | 376

@ Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:01 utc | 378
last line – legitimate concern which i too share..

Posted by: james | Jun 13 2025 4:05 utc | 377

Tehran is not the only possible target that Israel might hit in Iran
Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 3:59 
lmao… pathetic. Come on FUD! Put in some effort! Didn’t answer my other questions…

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 4:05 utc | 378

Iran has to check its relationship with Azerbaijan. I sincerely believe they were involved in the killing of Raisi. Just a few weeks ago, Iran’s IRGC was doing training exercises with Azerbaijan while their Minister of Defense was visiting Israel. Azerbaijan is a close ally of Turkey too. Another country that Iran trusts despite their treatment of Assad and support of ISIS in Syria. Erdogan can never ever be trusted. Iran and Russia should have known before they sold out Assad for Turkey.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 4:06 utc | 379

In some ways he’s right. Preserving “our” (meaning the current corrupt and criminally charged leadership) existence is exactly why this has ramped up so quickly. ”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 3:43 utc | 364
Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:06 utc | 380

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:01 utc | 378
Melaleuca, are you in Australia? Click here https://www.rt.com/news/619058-israel-strikes-iran-updates/
03:22 GMT
Iran’s state news agency IRNA has dismissed reports that top Iranian general Mohammad Bagheri was killed in an Israeli attack, saying he is “currently in the war room” and “has not been harmed.”

Posted by: Elber | Jun 13 2025 4:06 utc | 381

Iran isn’t buying Outlaw US Empire denials and holds it co-responsible, which IMO is correct. So far, only the Zionists are targeted for retaliation as Khamenei has decreed. When now becomes the question and what will be the targets.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 4:06 utc | 382

Just to recap
Iranian Media reports the assassinations of IRGC Commander Gen. Hossein Salami, Gen. Gholamali Rashid, nuclear physicist Dr. Mohammad Tehranchi, and former nuclear chief Fereydoon Abbasi.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:07 utc | 383

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 3:57 utc | 374
Yeah, thanks for chiming in – totally makes sense, and exactly my point. The US was NOT engaged in some “serious war planning” type of evacuation. Nothing of the sort. Thing is that either gives credence to Trump’s public statements – OR – it paints him as a devious asshole, literally leaving Americans in harm’s way intentionally and hoping for the biggest possible Iranian retribution strike on American assets to justify…..what? Yep – the war on Iran that has ALWAYS been planned for Trump’s 2nd term, as I’ve said at MoA about 5 dozen times in the past 5 years. I hope this wakes up some of the more delusional rTDS sufferers (Reverse TDS), aka Trump cultists of the type who think any criticism of their Dear Leader means the person doing the critiquing is a Democrat or “woke” liberal idiot.
On another topic, if in fact it turns out to be true – and I have not seen a SINGLE video depicting missile strikes, just clouds of smoke, debris and dead bodies – that Israel has managed to launch 5 successive and undeterred waves of airstrikes, then something is very operationally wrong with Iran’s air defenses. There’s definitely a part of this story we don’t know yet.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:07 utc | 384

I. TOLD. YOU. SO. SINCE. 2006.
And literally EVERYONE told me it would never happen…
https://richardstevenhack.substack.com/p/i-told-you-so-since-2006
Posted by: Richard Hack | Jun 13 2025 3:32 utc | 356
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:08 utc | 385

The Iranian government have now reached the stage where it must either shit or get off the pot.
Whatever inane neolib fantasy world that Masoud Pezeshkian subscribes to he must begin retaliation immediately, as the attitude which ordinary Iranians have towards ‘the west’ in general and USI in particular has changed markedly during the approx 12 months he has been in power. His weakness was seized upon to slaughter Nasrallah without meaningful retribution, it is time for Pezeshkian to hit back hard if Iran wants to avoid subjugation.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 13 2025 4:08 utc | 386

Dear Iran,
I’m sorry for your losses and the ones you have yet to suffer. But I’m going to bed now, and please, when I wake up I want to read that much of “Israel” looks like Gaza.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 4:09 utc | 387

Posted by: Richard Hack | Jun 13 2025 3:32 utc | 356
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:08 utc | 391
… while even the finest clock will fail one day.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:09 utc | 388

PressTV live stream:
https://x.com/Stream_liv/status/1933337683478073825

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 13 2025 4:09 utc | 389

Karlof1@258. The Zionists are clinically neurotic due to the practice of the Bris, which according to the late Doctor Leonard Shlain is the very rootstock of Judaic identity. So we have a land with hysterical women and neurotic and at least borderline psychopathic “males”. Nervous a bit? Their sins against humanity haunt them. In their subconscious minds they are quite aware of their levels of insanity. The more cogent ones have long ago departed to the lands of their double passports.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 4:10 utc | 390

@ Posted by: juliania | Jun 13 2025 3:54 utc | 372
You can not accomplish peace with evil. The colonial state of Israel is evil. Max Blumenthal was right. It is unredeemable and therefore it has to be destroyed.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 4:11 utc | 391

Iran has 17 times the population of Lebanon, which is a deeply infiltrated state and harbors Hezbollah as a non-state actor. IRGC alone has more standing forces than Hezbollah including all their reserves. Iran is also harder to reach from Israel. So I assume we’re unlikely to see a replay of this recent conflict in a new theater.
I wonder how they tricked the AD. But I expect them to come back on line at one point, which should somewhat stabilize the situation.
Can anyone discern what, exactly, the Izzy war aims would be?

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 13 2025 4:11 utc | 392

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:07 utc | 390
There is video from Iraq that appears to show air launched ballistic missiles being fired.
As to Trump, I would say he is an idiot, but that is insulting to idiots. He certainly does appear to have cult going.
Saw this a bit ago:
“Speaking earlier to Fox News, U.S. President Donald J. Trump says that he was aware of Israel’s plan to strike Iran beforehand, but that the United States was not involved militarily, with him adding, “Iran cannot have a nuclear bomb and we are hoping to get back to the negotiating table. We will see. There are several people in their leadership that will not be coming back.”

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 4:13 utc | 393

Malenkov@404: You are confident that the military and police will remain loyal to their paymasters much more so than their inherent solidarity with the mass of the people. We need to remind ourselves that within a pack of housebroken dogs, lurks wolf DNA. Islamics have different mindsets than abstraction dominated Westerners.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 4:13 utc | 394

I wonder how they tricked the AD. But I expect them to come back on line at one point, which should somewhat stabilize the situation.
Can anyone discern what, exactly, the Izzy war aims would be?
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 13 2025 4:11 utc | 398
I have yet to see footage of actual long range missiles arcing through the Tehran skies.
Are we sure there were any missiles to trick the AD to begin with?
As for izzraeli war aims:
Simply to save the bacon of Netanyahoo and his cabal as his throne crumbles beneath him.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:15 utc | 395

Argentinian Milei trapped in Israel because of fear of Iranian retaliation.
——-
I remember when Oz PM John Howard was in NYC on 9/11.
I still believe the reason was to use him and 5eyes to circumvent intel traffic…
= Was Milei in Israel on purpose, or by “accident”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 4:16 utc | 396

Any chance that the blackout in Gaza is related to the attack on Iran?
I mean, perfect time to complete a genocide if you ask me …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:18 utc | 397

@Tom_Q_Collins | Fri, 13 Jun 2025 04:07:00 GMT | 390

Yep – the war on Iran that has ALWAYS been planned for Trump’s 2nd term, as I’ve said at MoA about 5 dozen times in the past 5 years.

The false flag you have been bringing up along with this might be, functionally, a presumed revenge strike at the US bases in West Asia. Would that suffice to capture public opinion for war on Iran?

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 13 2025 4:18 utc | 398

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 4:08 utc | 391
Hack is cynically trying to drive traffic to his atrophying Substack page where he drones on at length and ad nauseum like he used to do here.
Another exemplar of the type of ‘online personality’ that revels in “being right” about shit and gets off on seeing the pixels he throws onto the screen glow in the dark. He wasn’t ultimately even banned here – maybe he was once, but b let him come back. Hack’s issue was that he wasn’t the man in the spotlight and consciously or subconsciously realized that he annoyed people more than he informed them.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 4:19 utc | 399

Malenkov@404: You are confident that the military and police will remain loyal to their paymasters much more so than their inherent solidarity with the mass of the people. We need to remind ourselves that within a pack of housebroken dogs, lurks wolf DNA. Islamics have different mindsets than abstraction dominated Westerners.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 4:13 utc | 400

Ah. The coup is already baked in with an Irani Jolani waiting in the wings.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 13 2025 4:22 utc | 400