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June 12, 2025
Trump’s Attempt To Scare Monger Iran Into Nuclear Restrictions Will Fail

There is some noise that an Israeli and/or U.S. attack on Iran is imminent. I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran and not as serious war planning.

Israel wants the U.S. to destroy Iran. It would be the last of the seven countries in five years plan of destruction the U.S. had activated, with Israel's prodding, in 2003.

President Donald Trump wants to avoid a war with Iran. He has nothing to gain from it. But he is under pressure by the Zionist lobby. Instead of bombing Iran he would prefer to shut down its civil nuclear program. Its existence makes Iran a latent nuclear weapon state. Iran denies that it is striving to get nuclear weapons. U.S. intelligence has found that Iran has no current program that would lead to weapon capabilities.

It was Trump who in 2018 withdrew the U.S. from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) which had limited Iran's nuclear industry and had put it under strict surveillance. Iran waited a year before it took retaliatory measure by increasing its enrichment of nuclear fuel and by decreasing its cooperation with the inspectors of the IAEA who are supervising Iran's adherence to the JCPOA.

With Trump back in office he set out to push Iran towards a new agreement that would, he hoped, eliminate all enrichment of nuclear fuel in Iran. There is no chance to achieve that. Nuclear enrichment is an inalienable right of all nation under the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and Iran insists on not being blocked from it.

Trump decided on a two pronged strategy. He would push the IAEA and the European co-signers of the JCPOA to condemn Iran with the perspective of reestablishing UN mandated sanction on Iran. He would also offer Iran a new kind of JCPOA to again limit its nuclear development abilities.

Trump had sent out his envoy Steve Witkoff to push Iran towards a new agreement. He however mangled the constrains Iran should agree to. Witkoff told the Iranians that they would be allowed to enrich Uranium to 3.6% as needed for a civil nuclear reactor. A few days later Trump ordered that to be 0% – i.e. no enrichment at all. This went back and forth several times.

The JCPOA was a very fine balanced and very technical agreement that took many months to conclude. Trumps offer to Iran is a "dollar-store-JCPOA", incomplete and with many clauses Iran would never agree to.

Trump has made negotiations even more difficult when he publicly demanded Iran to surrender completely:

The president outlined his vision for a new agreement during a White House presser on Wednesday, calling for a “very strong document” that would effectively give Washington carte blanche over Tehran’s nuclear energy program.

“I want it very strong – where we can go in with inspectors, we can take whatever we want, we can blow up whatever we want, but [with] nobody getting killed,” he told reporters. “We can blow up a lab, but nobody is gonna be in the lab, as opposed to everybody being in the lab and blowing it up.”

He did not elaborate on those remarks, however, leaving it unclear whether Washington had actually pushed for such major concessions at the negotiating table. The Islamic Republic would be unlikely to accept a deal under those terms.

Iran had answered appropriately (archived):

The Trump administration over the weekend proposed the outline of a deal that would seem to allow Iran to continue enriching uranium, which had been a sticking point in talks — but only temporarily. With talks at an impasse, the proposal was seen as a potential concession that could open a path to compromise.

In his first public remarks since the proposal was reported on, Ayatollah Khamenei said that Iran’s “response to the U.S. government’s nonsense is clear.”

He said in a speech that it would be “useless” for Iran to build nuclear power plants without being able to enrich uranium over the long term, framing the U.S. proposal as an attempt to obstruct Iran’s nuclear industry and self-reliance.

With no prospect of a deal in the making the attention turned to the second leg of Trump's strategy.

The way to reinstate UN sanctions on Iran, as they had existed before the JCPOA, is also a complicate business. But here pressure on the relevant actors has allowed Trump to proceed.

The head of the IAEA regularly reports to the IAEA Board of Governors about its verification and monitoring of nuclear issues in Iran.

In his latest report the IAEA's General Director Rafael Grossi repeated 20+ years old well known facts but came to new 'conclusions' about them:

While many of the findings relate to activities dating back decades and have been made before, the IAEA report's conclusions were more definitive. It summarised developments in recent years and pointed more clearly towards coordinated, secret activities, some of which were relevant to producing nuclear weapons.

It also spelled out that Iran's cooperation with IAEA continues to be "less than satisfactory" in "a number of respects". The IAEA is still seeking explanations for uranium traces found years ago at two of four sites it has been investigating. Three hosted secret experiments, it found.

The IAEA has concluded that "these three locations, and other possible related locations, were part of an undeclared structured nuclear programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s and that some activities used undeclared nuclear material", the report said.

Iran insists that nothing nuclear ever had happened at those sites and that if any traces of radioactive materials had been found there they must have been planted.

Iran has by the way serious reasons to not trust Grossi:

The Cradle @TheCradleMedia – 11:01 UTC · Jun 12, 2025

BREAKING | Leaked documents released by Iranian media reportedly reveal that International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi has been fully coordinating with Israel and carrying out its directives.

These files are part of the sensitive intelligence cache Iran recently seized from Israel.
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Following Grossi's latest report the U.S. proxies at the IAEA Board of Governors declared Iran to be in breach of its obligations:

The U.N. nuclear watchdog's 35-nation Board of Governors declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations on Thursday for the first time in almost 20 years, raising the prospect of reporting it to the U.N. Security Council.

Diplomats at the closed-door meeting said the board passed the resolution submitted by the United States, Britain, France and Germany with 19 countries in favour, 11 abstentions and three states – Russia, China and Burkina Faso – against.

The text, seen by Reuters, declares Iran in breach of its obligations given a damning report the IAEA sent to member states on May 31.

"The Board of Governors… finds that Iran's many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to provide the Agency with full and timely cooperation regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple undeclared locations in Iran … constitutes non-compliance with its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the Agency," the text said.

A central issue is Iran's failure to provide the IAEA with credible explanations of how uranium traces detected at undeclared sites in Iran came to be there despite the agency having investigated the issue for years.

The chutzpah is strong in this. The U.S., UK, Germany and France accuse Iran of non compliance with the JCPOA which the U.S. had shredded in 2018 and which the Europeans refused to abide to when they kept export restrictions on Iran.

This all because of alleged traces of nuclear material found at places that had allegedly been used more than twenty years ago.

There was no reason for Grossi to put this out now or for the Board of Governors to react to it but pressure from the U.S. to rebuild a path towards UN sanctions.

Iran immediately reacted, as it had previously announced, to the Board's finding:

Iran has condemned a “politically-motivated” resolution adopted by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors, saying it will build a new enrichment facility in a secure location.

The new site will replace the first-generation enrichment machines at Fordow nuclear facility with advanced sixth-generation ones, it emphasized.

The next step is for one of the European co-signers of the JCPOA to push the Board of Governors resolution to the UN Security Council. This could lead to a re-activation of international sanctions on Iran which had been suspended under UN resolution 2231 when it endorsed the JCPOA.

Iran has said that it would respond to such a step by leaving the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That would allow Iran, after a year, to peruse nuclear weapons without any legal restrictions.

In parallel to the IAEA action a well coordinated information campaign was launched to create the impression of an imminent attack on Iran:

Setting everyone on edge and grasping for insight, the Trump administration issued evacuation orders for non-essential personnel at the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, and its diplomatic facilities in Bahrain and Kuwait on Wednesday.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also reportedly told FOX News that there would be voluntary departure for dependents of military personnel serving in the Central Command (CENTCOM) area of operations across the Middle East.

Meanwhile, the UK's Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO), a British maritime security agency, issued its own "unusual" warning, citing “increasing regional tension” that could pose threats to ships in the region.

By Wednesday night, the media was speculating widely that the administration is worried about an imminent strike by Israel on Iran. Asked about the developments at a Kennedy Center event, Trump acknowledged that U.S. citizens were being moved out of the Middle East, saying “it could be a dangerous place. … We’ve given notice to move out; we’ll see what happens.”

“We are watching and worried,” one senior diplomat in the region told the Washington Post. “We think it’s more serious than any other time in the past.”

All this is to give the impression that Israel is out of control:

Israel is considering taking military action against Iran — most likely without U.S. support — in the coming days, even as President Donald Trump is in advanced discussions with Tehran about a diplomatic deal to curtail its nuclear program, according to five people with knowledge of the situation.

Israel has become more serious about a unilateral strike on Iran as the negotiations between the United States and Iran appear closer to a preliminary or framework agreement that includes provisions about uranium enrichment that Israel views as unacceptable.

Details about the Israeli discussions emerged before the International Atomic Energy Agency's board of governors formally found that Iran isn’t complying with its nuclear obligations for the first time in 20 years.

Israel does not have the means to attack Iran. Bombing Iran's nuclear facilities effectively is extremely challenging. Even their destruction would only delay, not hinder Iran from pursuing whatever nuclear program it likes.

The rumors of an attack on Iran are most likely just scaremongering to press Iran into agreeing to Trump's nonsensical demands of restrictions for its nuclear program. Iran is unlikely to fall for this.

Anything Israel might try unilaterally would be for the sole purpose of drawing the U.S. into a war with Iran.

Trump wants lower oil prices and freedom to pursue his domestic agenda. I strongly doubt that he will allow Israel to pull him into a war as there is nothing to win for him.

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IF Berletic is correct, then my predictions here at MoA dating back to Trump’s first term are coming to pass. Trump will destroy his fake anti-war bona fides by going to war on Iran if he gets a second term, most likely through a false flag or proxy provocation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBiTh7qYT3U
For the record, I’m not convinced it’s going to happen at this time, but it will almost surely go down before the autumn. These attacks today are still unforgiveable, so the ball is in Iran’s court. Something has to be done.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:20 utc | 201

Natanz enrichment site hit. Apartment buildings hit. Dead children. Airbase hit. Bibi hiding in bunker. US ambassador to isreal knew before hand, made cryptic statement. Trump therefore knew before hand.

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 1:21 utc | 202

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:15 utc | 199
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Who are you, and why are you hijacking Tom’s name?
Tom didn’t think there would be an attack. He was convinced this was all a negotiation tactic.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:21 utc | 203

They don’t need to level Israel. Just level the Nevatim air base.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:18 utc | 201
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The world desperately needs someone to level the genocidal Zionazi entity. Whether Iran likes it or not, that duty has fallen upon Iran.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 1:22 utc | 204

Oh, the Jews’ll get theirs launched, possibly bombing Iran back to the stone age. israel on the other hand, would disappear.
Posted by: rgl | Jun 13 2025 1:19 utc | 202
The threat from Israel is to the west …

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:23 utc | 205

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 1:21 utc | 205
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America always knows because there is no Israel. Israel is America + Britain.
It always has been, it always will be. People who think Israel is a separate entity have fallen for the deception.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:23 utc | 206

The attack it’s a bait. The timing, right after the AIEA report, it’s very suspicious.

Posted by: Southern Brazilian | Jun 13 2025 1:24 utc | 207

Chinese state tv news reported on the Israeli strikes. Iranian military chief of staff assassinated, dozens of military and nuclear facilities hit. Iran caught sleeping and their AD is total shit. They must have read MOA and went to bed.
Should have barter traded with China for real AD.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 1:24 utc | 208

I like strategic patience, but now that Israel has started something, Iran needs to finish it. Limp wristed responses send a message of weakness, inviting more attacks.
They don’t need to level Israel. Just level the Nevatim air base.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:18 utc | 201
Agreed. Israel needs to publicly suffer or this will be repeated endlessly. I think some of the tops in Israel must be killed in the retaliation. It’s got to be big.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 1:25 utc | 209

Israeli launches are happening over Iraqi airspace.
They are still ongoing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:27 utc | 210

Ok, I’d give an hour from now for first ballistics to reach Israel. I’ll assume plenty of fighters to intercept drones and cruise so massive drone overload in 3 hours to cloak cruise missiles.
Let’s wait

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:28 utc | 211

You know I was wondering why there was so much troll traffic on this thread and now it seems clear. I’m looking at you, Steve O. How does the driest fucking poster have so many magical friends nobody has ever seen at the bar before. You interact with Steve, your suspicious. Period.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 1:28 utc | 212

IF Berletic is correct, then my predictions here at MoA dating back to Trump’s first term are coming to pass. Trump will destroy his fake anti-war bona fides by going to war on Iran if he gets a second term, most likely through a false flag or proxy provocation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBiTh7qYT3U
For the record, I’m not convinced it’s going to happen at this time, but it will almost surely go down before the autumn. These attacks today are still unforgiveable, so the ball is in Iran’s court. Something has to be done.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:20 utc | 204
Come on, Tom. You and B were dead ass wrong today. Straight up!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 1:29 utc | 213

Forcibly conscripting 18 year old men in Ukraine is nothing but pathological slavery designed to serve the US military industrial complex so its supporters can live in financial profligacy, just like in former times.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 1:29 utc | 214

Tom didn’t think there would be an attack. He was convinced this was all a negotiation tactic.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:21 utc | 206
See post #204 and stop acting like an the little unofficial historian/hall monitor. Your act is extremely tiresome and I know I’m not alone in thinking that, seriously you’re acting like this is high school. I’ve always predicted a 2nd Trump term would mean hot war with Iran. What I said last night is that the GRADUAL voluntary evacuation announcements were 1) not backed up by any flight data and 2) not in themselves proof that a major JOINT Israeli-US attack on Iran was imminent.
Try to take a deep breath and think before rushing to post stuff like that. Remember, the idea was that a JOINT US-Israeli attack was looming. If the emerging narratives/stories are true, then either the US intentionally lulled Iran into complacency knowing that Israel would offer the pretext (also something I’m always sure to include) to end negotiations (hence it IS a negotiation tactic) – or – the Jews really are doing this off-the-leash in their OWN attempt to scupper any further nuclear “deals” with Iran.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:29 utc | 215

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 1:24 utc | 211
You’re an ass
Without Syrian radars you don’t have the same warning
Not against low flying stealth cruise missiles (useless against hardened targets without nukes)
Now… can Israel preemptively nuke a lot of Iran? Yes. Can Israel survive that? I doubt it

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:33 utc | 216

Mention Colonialism or white supremacy, and many white folks tend to roll their eyes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 0:38 utc | 161
Because others use it as a continual battering ram excuse to get their kicks in. Low self esteem.
It isn’t as if European descent people haven’t heard that one sided schlock at least a thousand times. Yet you continue droning on…
The overwhelming majority of Amerindians died from disease.
If you are going to cast collective guilt, racisms by the way, and if you had a shred of decency you would give even more attention and blathering to honor collective achievements. Proportionately we would here 400,000 times that: The world wide abolition of outright slavery is 100% due to the White Man. The development of the electricity you use, 100% the White Man. World wide availability of clean water and sanitation, 100% the White Man. Industrial agriculture with its amazing output due to the White Man. Widespread education is the White Man framework for success.
Population of pre industrial world approximately 200 million. Current approximate worldwide population 8 billion. You can thank all the White Men, for the 39 out of 40 people alive today, due to the White Man.
97.5% of the worlds humans living today are alive due to the White Man. If you were one of the few who survived your life span would be brutishly short. And full of misery, strife and suffering.
You. You are alive today due to the White Man.
FFS King Tutankhamen had his DNA tested and he was European descent.
WE WUZ KANGS N’ SHEET !!!!

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 1:33 utc | 217

Expect an IDF false flag attack on a US airbase or carrier strike group soon……the IDF needs to get the US into the fight especially if their main air base is hammered….the next 24 hours will be key………
Trump really warned the Iranians today about massive conflict……if they cant take that kind of hint and be on alert, then they have no chance……..WTF

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 13 2025 1:34 utc | 218

Forcibly conscripting 18 year old men in Ukraine is nothing but pathological slavery designed to serve the US military industrial complex so its supporters can live in financial profligacy, just like in former times.
Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 1:29 utc | 217
Peter off troll , Iran not Ukraine and going hot

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:35 utc | 219

Brian Berletic’s headline spot on (as usual) for the current situation:
“US Using Israel to Provoke Iran War, Deny Responsibility, Minimize Retaliation”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBiTh7qYT3U

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 1:35 utc | 220

True Promise #3 likely in motion. Lots of fog at the moment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 1:36 utc | 221

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:33 utc | 219
Cry more. I love it when the butthurts show they are hurting by launching personal attacks.
Cope much? LOL!!

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 1:37 utc | 222

—❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 BREAKING: The headquarters of the IRGC General Command in Tehran was struck, emergency services rushing to scene

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 1:37 utc | 223

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:35 utc | 222
I’ll say what I want, so FO troll yourself
B is the moderator not a self-imposed dickhead like you

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 1:38 utc | 224

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 1:33 utc | 220
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There is nothing more pathetic than a white supremacist.
Your elites hate you and want to exterminate you. LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:39 utc | 225

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 1:37 utc | 226
Iran deserve it after all the warning signs. Hope more at the top get decapitated and they wake up to realize war is real and you and your family are legitimate targets.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 1:40 utc | 226

Come on, Tom. You and B were dead ass wrong today. Straight up!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 1:29 utc | 216
Seriously what is it with this childish self-indulgent rush to celebrate another commentator potentially being “wrong” on the Internet? Coming from self-professed deep philosophical thinkers, ya know – adults – too.
The US has been pushing the official line that any Israeli attack on Iran is not sanctioned by the Trump administration. They said one is possible, maybe even likely, but they wouldn’t be involved in it. Further, you are free to dig up my comments here as far back as 2019 when I predicted a 2nd Trump term WOULD involve a war on Iran. But kinda sorta slow-evacuating non-essential employees from the ME region was not how the US would prepare for a proper war. So yes, I stand by my statements that this was a negotiation tactic.
Either the Trump administration has been straight up lying (if so, fooled me I admit it) and the US DID know and help plan or provide intel for these attacks, or they actually didn’t know any specifics about an attack and were planning to proceed in good faith with negotiations only to have the Israelis – ON THEIR OWN – intentionally wreck them (again, yes, I was fooled at least insofar as the timing and method).
As well, my commentary has been primarily about the prospect of joint Israeli-US attacks on Iran’s NUCLEAR facilities or air defense batteries. NOT on Tehran neighborhoods.
But I repeat: Where were the Iranian air defenses? Something about this still sounds very fishy to me.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:40 utc | 227

They don’t need to level Israel. Just level the Nevatim air base.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:18 utc | 201
Strongly disagree. They need to do the world a favor & level Wasrael.

Posted by: Mary | Jun 13 2025 1:40 utc | 228

So far Iranian air defense is less successful than I expected based on readings.

Posted by: Afro | Jun 13 2025 1:42 utc | 229

Either the Trump administration has been straight up lying
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:40 utc | 230
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No way. An American government would never lie. LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:43 utc | 230

This decapitation strike was essentially preannoinced. Are you telling me the senior Iranina commanders weren’t sequestered in secure locations?

Posted by: Clem_Fandango | Jun 13 2025 1:44 utc | 231

They assassinated several Iranian military leaders as they launched the attack.
And now they will face Iranian retaliation, and the Americans will have to get involved.
Make sure your tank is full because gas prices are going up, and it will all be blamed on the evil Palestinians.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:45 utc | 232

@George #223

“US Using Israel to Provoke Iran War, Deny Responsibility, Minimize Retaliation”.

That makes perfect sense. This has it all, presidential deniability, a reason for a hot war with Iran and kissing israel’s ass.
Or …
The u.s says uh-uh. israel, you’re on your own here. And israel drops some nukes on Tehran. After all, israel has shown that it cares not a whit for what the international community thinks of it.

Posted by: rgl | Jun 13 2025 1:46 utc | 233

Posted by: Clem_Fandango | Jun 13 2025 1:44 utc | 234
Hamas and Hezbollah leaders and families were walking around in the open even after the fighting started.
Stupid people shouldn’t be born.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 1:48 utc | 234

No way. An American government would never lie. LOL
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:43 utc | 233
Yeah, I know, right? I never knew that until just now. /s
For some nuance that you’re obviously missing here, this is how AJ is characterizing the situation:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/6/13/live-explosions-reported-in-iran-amid-israel-tensions?update=3771007

Certainly, all the arrows point in that direction – that Donald Trump was told that there was going to be some sort of strike.
You’ll remember that just 48 hours ago, the United States – in fact, 24 hours ago – the United States, announced that it was going to start moving nonessential personnel out of the embassy in Baghdad, and also recommended that others in embassies around the region could also leave if they wish.
That seemed to suggest that there was going to be an attack of some sort.
Donald Trump, in the last few hours, put out a post on his Truth Social platform saying that he had directed his entire government to move towards a diplomatic solution with Iran.
The bottom line was that he didn’t want Iran to get a nuclear weapon, but he was hoping that there would be talks.
The fact that the Israelis have gone ahead would suggest that while the US was not involved, and that’s what we’re hearing, they were informed about what was likely to happen.

Of course every American administration lies, constantly. It’s their version of “the truth.” But remember, Trump is the “anti-war” president! Just ask his MAGA defenders and cultists here at MoA. Trump would NEVER start a NEW WAR! If a war started on his watch, it would be the Democrats’ fault! And so on…. That’s mostly what I’m getting at when I say Trump has been lying. Why even engage in negotiations if the plan all along, regardless of maximalist outcomes – that everyone knew were totally unacceptable to Iran – was to go to war? Even by American government lying standards, this one is a whopper.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:48 utc | 235

Watching footage, it’s apparent that there are sudden explosions without incoming missiles. So either Israeli plants are dropping bombs, or there were planted explosions for dramatic effect. Especially at the air base, not much damage there as migs are taking off. I doubt Israeli planes are in iranian air space.

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 1:48 utc | 236

Israeli command is stating main Iranian nuclear facilities have been hit, and yet there is no Iranian response consequence. This suggests the Iranian regime has been taken over from the inside out and is effectively no better than Hamas, jailer to its own people and little more.

Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 13 2025 1:49 utc | 237

Make sure your tank is full because gas prices are going up, and it will all be blamed on the evil Palestinians.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:45 utc | 235
Absolutely. And depending on Iran’s response, it’s going to get a lot worse for US ‘consumers’ than expensive gas.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:50 utc | 238

Even by American government lying standards, this one is a whopper.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:48 utc | 238
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Is it a “whopper” because you ate it up? Most of the bar did not.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:50 utc | 239

@surferket
I find, and have found, your reasoning and thoughts revolting.

Posted by: Scuppets | Jun 13 2025 1:52 utc | 240

Tomorrow morning we will wake up and find that Israel has created vast destruction, but Iran did nothing because of their strategic patience.

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 13 2025 1:53 utc | 241

@ Surferket | Jun 13 2025 1:48 utc | 237
your arrogance is off the charts.. good luck with that attitude..

Posted by: james | Jun 13 2025 1:54 utc | 242

Generally I would say the the US Iranian negotiations were a bluff to get the Iranians off the defensive stance…..but….
Then Trump warned them about a massive conflict…..today…..
The Iranian are very intelligent….I will bet you their entire general staff is safe and sound in a hardened bunker or bunkers along with their command and control centers!
Now lets see what the counterstrike is like……..or will they make the Israelis sweat it out for days before the strike occurs…..stay tuned….

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 13 2025 1:55 utc | 243

Kind of sounds like the boys who cried “Wolf!”

Posted by: Jane | Jun 13 2025 1:55 utc | 244

Is it a “whopper” because you ate it up? Most of the bar did not.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:50 utc | 242
If you have read ANYTHING I’ve written and interpreted it as I “ate up” the notion that there would be no war on Iran under a Trump administration in 2025, then you’re just a moron. Sorry that’s the only interpretation.
If, however, you’re implying that I ate up the lie that Trump et. al were still pursuing a negotiated agreement of some kind, and that any limp dick news stories in the lying MSM about non-mandatory evacuations of non-essential US personnel not backed up by any actual data such as flight trackers and news of actual evacuations happening at actual US installations in the region, were smoking gun evidence of a major imminent US-sponsored Israeli attack, then yes, I guess I “ate it up” – Now go open that bottle of sparkling apple cider or pop a straw into that juice box and celebrate “being right on the Internet.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:56 utc | 245

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:56 utc | 248
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I only remember you arguing repeatedly yesterday that this was all just a negotiation tactic.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:59 utc | 246

telegram reporting many Iranian generals and nuke scientists killed. So pretty much the Hezbollah play all over again, how could they not have seen that coming?

Posted by: Organic | Jun 13 2025 2:00 utc | 247

Posted by: Scuppets | Jun 13 2025 1:52 utc | 243
Posted by: james | Jun 13 2025 1:54 utc | 245
Butthurting much. Truth is painful. Iranians and Hezbollah are plain loudmouths braggarts who farts alot. Like Pootin.
Some people are so fixated on believing Bullshit whether from Elensky or for the useless Axis.
Only the Yemenis can take it and give back..

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 2:01 utc | 248

Disclosetv on X
JUST IN: The operation in Iran is in coordination with the US, according to Israeli media N12.
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Rubio: Iran should not strike us interests or personnel.
What a cuck bitch is the US

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 2:02 utc | 249

I’d bet money right now that the Israelis once again managed to detonate pre-planted explosives at various locations in Tehran, and that those were detonated first, followed by whatever missiles were used to strike the other more far flung locations. I have yet to see posted an video or photo footage of any missiles falling on Tehran.
All of which is to say that the Iranians have a serious gap in security protocols and/or are infiltrated to a degree that is very dangerous to the survival of their government regardless of what Israel does or doesn’t accomplish with missile attacks.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 2:02 utc | 250

Sorry to share some bad news:
Iranian State TV announces the martyrdom of IRGC Chief-of-Staff Hossein Salami, General Gholam-Ali Rashid, and the nuclear scientists Dr. Tehranchi and Dr. Fereydoon Abbasi

Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:04 utc | 251

B said:
“I strongly doubt that he (Trump) will allow Israel to pull him into a war as there is nothing to win for him.”
The control is in the other way, they are the Zionist child-murderers who control Trump and his administration, congress, senate, secret agencies, pentagon, etc…., not the other way, so if Trump, or any other US president, wants to be in politics or even survive, should follow the orders from Tel Aviv to the letters, that is the sad reality of the US regime.
Posted by: Dave F | Jun 12 2025 17:10 utc | 9
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Alex Krainer, on Dialogue Works today, draws clear lines between the LA riots and the Iran situ.
All of Trump’s problems/challenges stem from the control Zionists and Neocons have over him, Congress, the media, and other US institutions (plus his own personality and style). HOwever, per Krainer’s analysis it seems to me that dealing with/overcoming the domestic psy-op (“militarization” label being thrown around) is existential for Trump’s presidency, and he might recognize this.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 13 2025 2:05 utc | 252

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:39 utc | 228
There is. What’s REALLY PATHETIC is assuming someone’s ethnicity from an electronic screen.

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 13 2025 2:05 utc | 253

I only remember you arguing repeatedly yesterday that this was all just a negotiation tactic.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:59 utc | 249
And by “this all” what do you think you mean? What I said was that the PR announcements about the beginnings of non-mandatory evac for non-essential personnel were not in and of themselves anything more than a negotiation tactic in advance of the near term scheduled meetings. There were no follow up stories of emergency mass evacuations or reports of air flights quickly ferrying American personnel to safety. That’s just a fact.
If you go back and read what I actually wrote, I left wide open the possibility that the Israelis would want to sabotage what was left of the (what I now believe to be designed to fail, and fail quickly) negotiations. I will repeat once more, that yes, I was fooled if in fact Trump and his administration had either an active role in planning or helping coordinate these attacks (the ones in Tehran I’m guessing were pre-planted bombs or in any case, not delivered via missiles) -or- had precise operational intelligence on the exact timing and nature of these attacks and said the exact opposite publicly. Yes, if those end up being the case – I was wrong.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 2:07 utc | 254

My guess is another rocket-launched grenade or short range drone attack killed the generals. Israel is brazen but their capacities to strike military assets in Iran (as opposed to individual people) are limited. Nothing in the past year has changed that.

Posted by: a stone | Jun 13 2025 2:08 utc | 255

It has begun. Reports of explosions in Tehran…

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 2:09 utc | 256

The following I started writing just before reading conflict had started … I go to post and the rest is history. I will still post it because it raises some important questions, plus having just spent time typing it all out :
[ Have not read comments but as [posted previously] on Palestine thread I have a different view on this.
The whole negotiation has been designed to push Iran to take (declare) a position/direction it cannot change or back down from.
That Iran is right or within guidelines is not relevant, i.e. it is what allows Iran to feel confident in its position, so reinforcing the differences.
The latest international official positions are all that is needed to provide the doubt on Iranian activity to ‘justify’ an attack on its facilities. I say ‘justify’ meaning ‘enough cover to provide some level of deniability’ for unsanctioned action by the ‘country most likely the target of any nuclear ambitions’ .
Of course the current evacuations look fabricated to whatever degree, to those who do not think “Israel” will attack Iran. Equally they are meant to look exaggerated. The US wants to appear weak, panicky, concerned, hyped up showman, unprepared for confrontation.
Why people think it is show in the west ?
It is because they cannot or do not want to understand what might happen now. It helps them avoid feeling they should protest the direction.
After all, it is ‘not really the US’ ???
Those that believe in the direction to hostilities are those who want the conflict.
The rest are just ‘concerned citizens’ who are not at ease with any of it.
What the attack would or will look like I cannot say. There is no point resting on performance of latest jets when there are several other means to attack.
What deserves more discussion, more note, based on the above, is how various powers have coordinated to prepare a scenario for attacking Iran.
Personally I do not know what activity Iran has really been up to. I just don’t know, am not convinced either way. However to take pre-emptive military action against Iran while it has not demonstrated any open direct hostile intent, i.e. to attack a country ‘out of precaution’ …is business as usual for some. ]

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2025 2:10 utc | 257

“Iranian news agency Tasnim has reported that the commander-in-chief of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Major General Hossein Salami has been killed in an Israeli strike.”
“According to unconfirmed reports, other victims include Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces Gholam Ali Rashid.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 13 2025 2:10 utc | 258

@surfershit
Not butt hurt. I just find you disgusting, like something I’d scrape off my shoe.

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 2:10 utc | 259

Disclosetv on X
JUST IN: The operation in Iran is in coordination with the US, according to Israeli media N12.
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Rubio: Iran should not strike us interests or personnel.
What a cuck bitch is the US
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 2:02 utc | 252
Screw the truth, ignore the us (for now)
There’s a bona fide excuse to really hurt Israel .
Most military targets are probably scrambled, maybe jets in other countries , so focus on ports, energy, oil/gas rigs. Maybe the Knesset later in the day, tvs etc.
Then show up on Sunday and demand no nuclear weapons at all on the ME. All for all.
The us will have to own the tar baby or drop it like a flanking turd it is.

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 2:12 utc | 260

Man, that first paragraph sure didn’t age well.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jun 13 2025 2:12 utc | 261

Iranian media reports that Iran will officially DECLARE WAR against Israel following the strikes tonight
Massive retaliation expected
– RT
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/130462

Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:12 utc | 262

Iranian state media confirms Revolutionary Guards chief Salami killed in Israeli strike- Reuters

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 2:13 utc | 263

Coverage:
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Many leading figures assassinated.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2025 2:15 utc | 264

Posted by: rgl | Jun 13 2025 1:46 utc | 236
Well who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem last time around? Whose Zionist son-in-law was in the last administration? Whose son-in-law’s father did Trump pardon last time around? Who continues to supply weapons and far more to Israel? Who talks one way then acts the other as with Ukraine and Russia and Iran and even with Netanyahu when it suits? Who also ran a proxy war in Ukraine first time around (and still now) and continually does the same in Israel? Who thought GAZA would make a great real estate opportunity to for a pleasure resort on the Mediterranean?(no genocide seen in the least) Who wants to appease the Zionists in his own party and even Congress? Who needs to bolster his reputation back home to suit the Zionists and others?
Short memories.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 2:17 utc | 265

Iranian media reports that Iran will officially DECLARE WAR against Israel following the strikes tonight
Massive retaliation expected.
Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:12 utc | 265
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If by then there’s still any authority in Iran that can declare war. This is looking increasingly like a comprehensive (and damnably successful) decapitation strike.
Iran needs to launch a full-scale attack by…about an hour ago.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 2:17 utc | 266

@surfershit
Not butt hurt. I just find you disgusting, like something I’d scrape off my shoe.
Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 2:10 utc | 262
Very clear your butt is hurting by Truth.
Cry more. I laugh.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 2:19 utc | 267

the martyrdom of IRGC Chief-of-Staff Hossein Salami, General Gholam-Ali Rashid, and the nuclear scientists Dr. Tehranchi and Dr. Fereydoon Abbasi
Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:04 utc | 254
This is something different altogether , I already discussed on open thread several times that the assassination of soft targets in nuclear Iran, Russian missiles and Chinese AI will only change once a couple of Forbes 500 are shown they are also soft targets and the governments they control are unequivocally instructed to stop the party.

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 2:20 utc | 268

Yeah, that bitch Lindsey Graham *should* be right about something for a change. It’s either “ON” or Iran has been decapitated.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 2:20 utc | 269

Being completely honest here, I think Iran invited this attack by not retaliating earlier to Isreali’s earlier attacks on Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. I understand that Iran was presumably stalling for time to prepare itself for this war, well, the war has arrived and its time to find out if Iran is willing to fight a large scale war.

Posted by: Kadath | Jun 13 2025 2:20 utc | 270

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2025 2:15 utc | 267
Chinese state news showing videos of fires burning in Tehran.
Iran don’t have real AD at all. Israel was right the last time they bragged about that.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 2:21 utc | 271

Come on, Tom. You and B were dead ass wrong today. Straight up!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 1:29 utc | 216
Seriously what is it with this childish self-indulgent rush to celebrate another commentator potentially being “wrong” on the Internet?
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So true! So annoying. So immature.
We all know who does this.
Just stop it.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 13 2025 2:21 utc | 272

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 2:12 utc | 263
“Screw the truth, ignore the us (for now)”
Yes lets pretend the US has nothing to do with it Yankee boy

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 2:22 utc | 273

Still zero footage of missiles in the sky before any explosions. I’ve scanned telegram and all the ME news sites. Hard to believe not even a doorbell or security cam wouldn’t catch a single approaching missile, even if a “low” flying cruise missile, but I suppose the latter would be much harder to see.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 2:22 utc | 275

It is very early, be cautious of the various claims being made. “Israel” will be spreading confusion and fanning the flames as much as possible.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 13 2025 2:23 utc | 276

Iran needs to launch a full-scale attack by…about an hour ago.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 2:17 utc | 269
Pretty much what I assumed an hour ago @214
Disappointed if balistics don’t start to show up soon.

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 2:25 utc | 277

I expect Iran to launch a few missiles but not attempt to do any real damage. US has THAADS in Israel this time. Its going to take a False Flag to get the US involved.

Posted by: Pete Lincoln | Jun 13 2025 2:25 utc | 278

If i we’re Iran, flatten the Isreali airbases, all of them, and hunt down their remaining planes. That only leaves the subs as the only variable in the nuclear equation. The Iranians already know where the nuclear munitions are, thanks to the Intel doc trove they got. Take those out. That again leaves only their German made subs, retrofitted to carry nuke missiles. I doubt that Isreal has icbms, though they may have, but those aren’t big subs. So they have to be close to Iran to launch. Not too many places with water, that are close to Iran. Let’s see what Iran does…

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 2:26 utc | 279

Trying again. Typepad blocking?
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israel-launches-major-airstrikes-on-iran-assassinates-irgc-chief-of-staff/

Posted by: Thurl | Jun 13 2025 2:27 utc | 280

Also good coverage:
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/SEPAHCYBERY?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Includes expected response…

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 13 2025 2:27 utc | 281

telegram reporting many Iranian generals and nuke scientists killed. So pretty much the Hezbollah play all over again, how could they not have seen that coming?
Posted by: Organic | Jun 13 2025 2:00 utc | 250

So far, this is depressingly like the night Nasrallah bought it.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 13 2025 2:27 utc | 282

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 2:20 utc | 271
“soft targets in nuclear Iran”
“nuclear “Iran? ha ha, nice try but Freudian slip. It claims to be only developing peaceful nuclear uses. The problem is that bully boy US cannot cope with even that, and Trump cannot be at all consistent with what he wants.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 2:27 utc | 283

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 2:17 utc | 269
If by then there’s still any authority in Iran that can declare war. This is looking increasingly like a comprehensive (and damnably successful) decapitation strike.
Imam Khamenei, IRGC Aerospace Commander Brigadier General Amirali Hajizadeh, Chief of Staff of all Iranian Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Bagheri, and Sardar Ismail Qaani are all confirmed safe.

Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:30 utc | 284

I’m still intrigued with my theory the strike on Russia’s nuclear strategic bombers was in anticipation of this U$IS attack on Iran.
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If Russia and China were as devious as the U$IS, Russia would make a Big Move in Ukraine, and China could have Taiwan by lunchtime.
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Lining up like the Bad Guys in a hollywood movie, waiting your turn to attack the Lone Good Guy is dumb.
In a real street fight all the Bad Guys attack at once, and the outnumber sucker gets a good kicking (or stabbing).

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 2:31 utc | 285

Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:30 utc | 287
As is Ali Shamkhani.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 2:34 utc | 286

No doubt in my mind that Bennie the Yahoo is the WORLD LEADER in LPM. (lies per minute). Minutes ago I was accessing his speech via Al Jazeera. That man is the epitome of liars. Over several minutes in his rant there was not a single one in which he did not constantly and consistently lie. He claimed that Iran is an existential threat to the entire region and that their government is intent on using nuclear weapons on the Zionist state in Occupied Palestine. Meanwhile the daily murders of toddlers by shots to the head by the occupational forces…Then there are the attacks by the Brooklyn based “settlers” on the people of the West Bank.
That man is utterly demonic and so is over three-fourths of its hate-filled citizens. The Zionist entity must be removed from their stolen lands. Preferred exiles to places like the Falkland/Malvina islands and similar locations such as the deserts of far northwestern Australia. There they must be walled in in similar measure to their treatments of those people who are over 80 percent descended from the ancient Hebrews.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:35 utc | 287

Posted by: Scuppers | Jun 13 2025 2:26 utc | 282 “Not too many places with water, that are close to Iran”
Er… um..

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 2:37 utc | 288

Looking at the pics of bombed apartment buildings.
This was a very obvious, well coordinated attack on Iranian leadership.
And yeah. The bombs have been planted there with the op obviously going back a long time….
Is *this* the “18 months” planning they stated went into taking out Russian strategic bombers?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 2:38 utc | 289

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:35 utc | 291
Norm Finkelstein did an interview not long ago in which he categorically stated and backed up that Israelis are the world’s most consummate liars.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 2:38 utc | 290

Ornery Knot: The Izzies claim that they have managed to assassinate numerous Iranian notables, including scientists. That is their CLAIM. No proof at this point.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:39 utc | 291

Your call, Iran: Use it, or lose it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 2:39 utc | 292

Imam Khamenei, IRGC Aerospace Commander Brigadier General Amirali Hajizadeh, Chief of Staff of all Iranian Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Bagheri, and Sardar Ismail Qaani are all confirmed safe.
Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:30 utc | 287
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For now at least. Given the depth and breadth of Iran’s blunder, I’m less than entirely confident that this will remain the case.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 2:40 utc | 293

Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:30 utc | 287
As we all know, it is a lot easier to start a war than end one.

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 13 2025 2:40 utc | 294

I pray Iran’s response is not as limp wristed as Hezb’Allah’s.
That 2 ton warhead should be used on Dimona.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 13 2025 2:40 utc | 295

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:39 utc | 296
Well, Israel does lie a huge amount, but in this case, Iran has admitted some pretty serious losses of important officials.

Posted by: expat | Jun 13 2025 2:41 utc | 296

No doubt in my mind that Bennie the Yahoo is the WORLD LEADER in LPM. (lies per minute). Minutes ago I was accessing his speech via Al Jazeera. That man is the epitome of liars. Over several minutes in his rant there was not a single one in which he did not constantly and consistently lie.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:35 utc | 291
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That’s the secret to his success. Compared to him, Orange Taco Guy is an altar boy.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 2:42 utc | 297

CNN: Israel Strikes Iran Nuclear Sites & Military Leadership, As ME Braces For Retaliation
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-12-25-hnk-intl
“The move plunges the Middle East into fresh uncertainty with the real risk of a wider regional war now breaking out…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 2:42 utc | 298

Expat@230 UPC: So far the “decapitation” claims are just that…claims. One must not assume that important figures in Iran did not see this coming and thereby taking cover far from their usual abodes. Only successes for sure would have been ops by on the ground assassination teams, long under fake identities and careful movements.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 2:44 utc | 299

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Posted by: Exile | Jun 13 2025 2:45 utc | 300