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June 12, 2025
Trump’s Attempt To Scare Monger Iran Into Nuclear Restrictions Will Fail

There is some noise that an Israeli and/or U.S. attack on Iran is imminent. I regard this a propaganda which hopes to put pressure on Iran and not as serious war planning.

Israel wants the U.S. to destroy Iran. It would be the last of the seven countries in five years plan of destruction the U.S. had activated, with Israel's prodding, in 2003.

President Donald Trump wants to avoid a war with Iran. He has nothing to gain from it. But he is under pressure by the Zionist lobby. Instead of bombing Iran he would prefer to shut down its civil nuclear program. Its existence makes Iran a latent nuclear weapon state. Iran denies that it is striving to get nuclear weapons. U.S. intelligence has found that Iran has no current program that would lead to weapon capabilities.

It was Trump who in 2018 withdrew the U.S. from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) which had limited Iran's nuclear industry and had put it under strict surveillance. Iran waited a year before it took retaliatory measure by increasing its enrichment of nuclear fuel and by decreasing its cooperation with the inspectors of the IAEA who are supervising Iran's adherence to the JCPOA.

With Trump back in office he set out to push Iran towards a new agreement that would, he hoped, eliminate all enrichment of nuclear fuel in Iran. There is no chance to achieve that. Nuclear enrichment is an inalienable right of all nation under the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and Iran insists on not being blocked from it.

Trump decided on a two pronged strategy. He would push the IAEA and the European co-signers of the JCPOA to condemn Iran with the perspective of reestablishing UN mandated sanction on Iran. He would also offer Iran a new kind of JCPOA to again limit its nuclear development abilities.

Trump had sent out his envoy Steve Witkoff to push Iran towards a new agreement. He however mangled the constrains Iran should agree to. Witkoff told the Iranians that they would be allowed to enrich Uranium to 3.6% as needed for a civil nuclear reactor. A few days later Trump ordered that to be 0% – i.e. no enrichment at all. This went back and forth several times.

The JCPOA was a very fine balanced and very technical agreement that took many months to conclude. Trumps offer to Iran is a "dollar-store-JCPOA", incomplete and with many clauses Iran would never agree to.

Trump has made negotiations even more difficult when he publicly demanded Iran to surrender completely:

The president outlined his vision for a new agreement during a White House presser on Wednesday, calling for a “very strong document” that would effectively give Washington carte blanche over Tehran’s nuclear energy program.

“I want it very strong – where we can go in with inspectors, we can take whatever we want, we can blow up whatever we want, but [with] nobody getting killed,” he told reporters. “We can blow up a lab, but nobody is gonna be in the lab, as opposed to everybody being in the lab and blowing it up.”

He did not elaborate on those remarks, however, leaving it unclear whether Washington had actually pushed for such major concessions at the negotiating table. The Islamic Republic would be unlikely to accept a deal under those terms.

Iran had answered appropriately (archived):

The Trump administration over the weekend proposed the outline of a deal that would seem to allow Iran to continue enriching uranium, which had been a sticking point in talks — but only temporarily. With talks at an impasse, the proposal was seen as a potential concession that could open a path to compromise.

In his first public remarks since the proposal was reported on, Ayatollah Khamenei said that Iran’s “response to the U.S. government’s nonsense is clear.”

He said in a speech that it would be “useless” for Iran to build nuclear power plants without being able to enrich uranium over the long term, framing the U.S. proposal as an attempt to obstruct Iran’s nuclear industry and self-reliance.

With no prospect of a deal in the making the attention turned to the second leg of Trump's strategy.

The way to reinstate UN sanctions on Iran, as they had existed before the JCPOA, is also a complicate business. But here pressure on the relevant actors has allowed Trump to proceed.

The head of the IAEA regularly reports to the IAEA Board of Governors about its verification and monitoring of nuclear issues in Iran.

In his latest report the IAEA's General Director Rafael Grossi repeated 20+ years old well known facts but came to new 'conclusions' about them:

While many of the findings relate to activities dating back decades and have been made before, the IAEA report's conclusions were more definitive. It summarised developments in recent years and pointed more clearly towards coordinated, secret activities, some of which were relevant to producing nuclear weapons.

It also spelled out that Iran's cooperation with IAEA continues to be "less than satisfactory" in "a number of respects". The IAEA is still seeking explanations for uranium traces found years ago at two of four sites it has been investigating. Three hosted secret experiments, it found.

The IAEA has concluded that "these three locations, and other possible related locations, were part of an undeclared structured nuclear programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s and that some activities used undeclared nuclear material", the report said.

Iran insists that nothing nuclear ever had happened at those sites and that if any traces of radioactive materials had been found there they must have been planted.

Iran has by the way serious reasons to not trust Grossi:

The Cradle @TheCradleMedia – 11:01 UTC · Jun 12, 2025

BREAKING | Leaked documents released by Iranian media reportedly reveal that International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi has been fully coordinating with Israel and carrying out its directives.

These files are part of the sensitive intelligence cache Iran recently seized from Israel.
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Following Grossi's latest report the U.S. proxies at the IAEA Board of Governors declared Iran to be in breach of its obligations:

The U.N. nuclear watchdog's 35-nation Board of Governors declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations on Thursday for the first time in almost 20 years, raising the prospect of reporting it to the U.N. Security Council.

Diplomats at the closed-door meeting said the board passed the resolution submitted by the United States, Britain, France and Germany with 19 countries in favour, 11 abstentions and three states – Russia, China and Burkina Faso – against.

The text, seen by Reuters, declares Iran in breach of its obligations given a damning report the IAEA sent to member states on May 31.

"The Board of Governors… finds that Iran's many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to provide the Agency with full and timely cooperation regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple undeclared locations in Iran … constitutes non-compliance with its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the Agency," the text said.

A central issue is Iran's failure to provide the IAEA with credible explanations of how uranium traces detected at undeclared sites in Iran came to be there despite the agency having investigated the issue for years.

The chutzpah is strong in this. The U.S., UK, Germany and France accuse Iran of non compliance with the JCPOA which the U.S. had shredded in 2018 and which the Europeans refused to abide to when they kept export restrictions on Iran.

This all because of alleged traces of nuclear material found at places that had allegedly been used more than twenty years ago.

There was no reason for Grossi to put this out now or for the Board of Governors to react to it but pressure from the U.S. to rebuild a path towards UN sanctions.

Iran immediately reacted, as it had previously announced, to the Board's finding:

Iran has condemned a “politically-motivated” resolution adopted by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors, saying it will build a new enrichment facility in a secure location.

The new site will replace the first-generation enrichment machines at Fordow nuclear facility with advanced sixth-generation ones, it emphasized.

The next step is for one of the European co-signers of the JCPOA to push the Board of Governors resolution to the UN Security Council. This could lead to a re-activation of international sanctions on Iran which had been suspended under UN resolution 2231 when it endorsed the JCPOA.

Iran has said that it would respond to such a step by leaving the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. That would allow Iran, after a year, to peruse nuclear weapons without any legal restrictions.

In parallel to the IAEA action a well coordinated information campaign was launched to create the impression of an imminent attack on Iran:

Setting everyone on edge and grasping for insight, the Trump administration issued evacuation orders for non-essential personnel at the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, and its diplomatic facilities in Bahrain and Kuwait on Wednesday.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth also reportedly told FOX News that there would be voluntary departure for dependents of military personnel serving in the Central Command (CENTCOM) area of operations across the Middle East.

Meanwhile, the UK's Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO), a British maritime security agency, issued its own "unusual" warning, citing “increasing regional tension” that could pose threats to ships in the region.

By Wednesday night, the media was speculating widely that the administration is worried about an imminent strike by Israel on Iran. Asked about the developments at a Kennedy Center event, Trump acknowledged that U.S. citizens were being moved out of the Middle East, saying “it could be a dangerous place. … We’ve given notice to move out; we’ll see what happens.”

“We are watching and worried,” one senior diplomat in the region told the Washington Post. “We think it’s more serious than any other time in the past.”

All this is to give the impression that Israel is out of control:

Israel is considering taking military action against Iran — most likely without U.S. support — in the coming days, even as President Donald Trump is in advanced discussions with Tehran about a diplomatic deal to curtail its nuclear program, according to five people with knowledge of the situation.

Israel has become more serious about a unilateral strike on Iran as the negotiations between the United States and Iran appear closer to a preliminary or framework agreement that includes provisions about uranium enrichment that Israel views as unacceptable.

Details about the Israeli discussions emerged before the International Atomic Energy Agency's board of governors formally found that Iran isn’t complying with its nuclear obligations for the first time in 20 years.

Israel does not have the means to attack Iran. Bombing Iran's nuclear facilities effectively is extremely challenging. Even their destruction would only delay, not hinder Iran from pursuing whatever nuclear program it likes.

The rumors of an attack on Iran are most likely just scaremongering to press Iran into agreeing to Trump's nonsensical demands of restrictions for its nuclear program. Iran is unlikely to fall for this.

Anything Israel might try unilaterally would be for the sole purpose of drawing the U.S. into a war with Iran.

Trump wants lower oil prices and freedom to pursue his domestic agenda. I strongly doubt that he will allow Israel to pull him into a war as there is nothing to win for him.

Comments

At the comment by Stonebird ( Jun 12 2025 20:24 utc | 95 ) someone finally mentions the papers.
The papers are the most significant recent development and the most likely cause for whatever the US and “Israel” are now trying to do.
I however disagree about the contents; the US and “Israel” would not and do not worry in the slightest about such things as Stonebird mentions.
No, there has to be something else hidden in those papers, something that can’t just be propagandized away but which will give Iran something tangible and practical. Maybe some specific tidbit of science?
As for the information surrounding the leak or theft of those papers it is extremely quiet isn’t it? There must be a lot of activity to try to find out what happened but it is being blacked out.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 12 2025 20:41 utc | 101

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 12 2025 20:24 utc | 95
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I am sure the Iranians are going to share the information with Russia and China, and it has been said that they will selectively start publishing some of it.
But then, how much stuff disappears when the East publishes about the West?
I saw Professor Marandi give someone an interview about it recently. He says they have a LOT to reveal. We will see.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 12 2025 20:46 utc | 102

Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 12 2025 20:41 utc | 101–
Ismaele at his substack compiled a very good article about “The Papers” and much more I suggest barflies read.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 12 2025 20:48 utc | 103

Trump’s Attempt To Scare Monger Iran Into Nuclear Restrictions Will Fail

I agree. The question is what happens after it fails.
This is the same issue that the US (and the west in general) face everywhere. The immovable object vs irresistible force problem. The US can’t achieve it’s goals any longer, not in Ukraine/Russia, Iran/Israel, or China/Taiwan. But it can’t just thrown in the towel and relinquish hegemony.
I suspect that push will come to shove in the middle east because Iran is the weakest of the three and because Israel has a historically unprecedented degree of leverage over the west with the Israel Lobby, media collusion, Epstein/Mossad, etc.
When and how? I don’t know, but I would be surprised if it doesn’t happen during Trump’s 2nd term.

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 12 2025 20:49 utc | 104

Like calling a cat a dog or vice versa.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 12 2025 20:34 utc | 98

Who is the cat? Who is the dog?
The Persian civilisation was first destoyed by Alexander the Great.
And a second time when they converted to islam.

Posted by: Naive | Jun 12 2025 20:49 utc | 105

Posted by: Jason | Jun 12 2025 20:49 utc | 105
You never stop lying, don’t you?

Posted by: Naive | Jun 12 2025 20:52 utc | 106

Iran should not allow for any inspections Israel does not have.
They should also ensure they have just as many nuclear warheads as Israel.
If Iran cannot have them, nor should Israel. Let the surrounding Muslim countries inspect Israel’s stockpile.

Posted by: Slat1 | Jun 12 2025 20:58 utc | 107

@ Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 20:22 utc | 93
quote “Agreed. All that’s lacking is a viable, credible revolutionary organization to unseat them.
it might happen even without that, for different reasons.. a major shift in power essentially.. one could argue that the usa is a dying hegemon at this point..

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 21:02 utc | 108

DJT has not pledged US support for an IDF suicide attack on Iran as of today.
In fact his ME delegate Steve Witkoff has stated that an IDF attack on Iranian nuke installation WILL cause a mass casualty event in Israel. That is hardly an endorsement of any crazed Bibi action.
DJT is receiving advice from America First supporters – Carlson, Hemmingway etc. and many Senators to stop an IDF attack on Iran, an attack which will close the Straits of Hormusz and massively increase oil prices worldwide.
Bibi and Smotrich and Gvir are suicidal war mongers, they need to be stopped.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 12 2025 21:02 utc | 109

Iran can’t be blamed for wanting a nuke, since it is the only protection against the nuclear bullies. If Iran aquired nukes, Israel would stand down and a tepid peace would rule the region. MAD has worked for decades and will work in this case.
Nukes brought peace in WWII, or so some say. An Iranian nuke could do the same in the Middle East, without even being used.
Oreshniks could shut down war, as well. It’s ironic that superweapons hold this hope for a peaceful planet…but in the end, it’s the only possible hope we have. Appealing to sanity and morality is useless.

Posted by: A rope leash | Jun 12 2025 21:03 utc | 110

@ Slat1 | Jun 12 2025 20:58 utc | 108
israel is not a part of the NPT – non proliferation treaty… that was by design for this reason and more probably..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 21:04 utc | 111

Popular opinion in the bar is Iran to win the war but in reality Israel will destroy all Iranian nuclear sites
Posted by: Jason | Jun 12 2025 20:49 utc | 105

Posted by: saner | Jun 12 2025 21:06 utc | 112

Jason 105 – the Iranians have plenty of S300 and S400 AAD systems arranged around their key defense and nuke installations.
Any IDF airstrikes will not be an easy mark……and in return the Iranians will unleash thousands of drones, and ballistic and hypersonic missiles….just say good bye to Dimona…….and Haifa port…..
That is the end result of the IDF madness……….more than likely the IDF will use the Iranian counterstrike as an excuse to drive 2.3 million into Egypt……
How will the Egyptians respond to that?

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 12 2025 21:10 utc | 113

saner 113 – Many thanks excellent post……….the IDF is grabbing the tail of the Tiger now…..complete insanity….

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 12 2025 21:14 utc | 114

an excuse to drive 2.3 million into Egypt……
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 12 2025 21:10 utc | 114

Posted by: saner | Jun 12 2025 21:14 utc | 115

Isn’t this the second time in a couple months we’ve seen this sort of threat/escalation on the part of the US and ZEIOP (Zionist Entity In Occupied Palestine)? B2s and other related materiel posted to Diego Garcia, then a backing off when Iran agreed to stick with ~3% enrichment, rather than the 20% which is required in certain medical applications (tentatively agreed that another country/countries would supply higher enriched material as needed). And I’ve heard very little mention of the fact that the recent strategic agreement between Russia and Iran stipulated there would be no nuclear weapons development.
Now the marmalade moron is saying no enrichment at all, to which Iran will understandably never agree.
Apparently Witkoff is supposed to meet with Arachi this Sunday; let’s hope this will produce another backing off by the empire and its rabid dog.

Posted by: robjira | Jun 12 2025 21:34 utc | 116

If Israel fails to penetrate Iranian sites it will not hesitate to nuke them
Posted by: Jason | Jun 12 2025 21:32 utc | 117
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So…. you didn’t read the linked article…
But I agree there are no S400 in Iran. They don’t need them. Their updated S300 type units and homebrews are more than adequate.

Posted by: saner | Jun 12 2025 21:38 utc | 117

Trump is in a bad position. Attack or do not. Both will hurt his positioning. We have yet to see him make a single hard choice as President through 1+ terms.
He hasn’t been asked to make an obvious pass/fail or right/wrong decision yet.
This would be one.
People, thanks to him (fake news, opposition to war), are much more cynical now than they were in 2016.
It’s going to be a tough sell, but he will have no choice if he decides to attack. And this will be the “Waterloo” moment that Mitch McConnell was a little concerned about when questioning Pete Hegseth. Erik Prince has said that these old politicians don’t understand the military power the Axis countries wield, or how American power has slipped.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 12 2025 21:38 utc | 118

Nima apparently has Iranian ancestry. He and Alex Krainer talk calmly and reasonably.
(I know, I know. Crazy, right?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbL6OSvvqO8

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 12 2025 21:44 utc | 119

Israel is manipulating the senate to keep Russia busy with Ukraine. If there is a peace deal between Russia USA and Ukraine, Russia will reappear in the middle east and will support Iran militarily. Israel knows that the fall of Ukraine is imminent and that there will be no more opportunities to crush Iran. It is now or never.
Trump is stuck with his failed attempts to reach a deal with Russia as the senate and the Jewish lobby want trump to fail. Trump is playing his political reputation..

Posted by: Virgile | Jun 12 2025 21:48 utc | 120

@Rubiconned

It’s funny, i saw the headlines this am and thought the exact same thing. Donnie trying his NY real estate shyster tricks on Iran. What a moron.

Just how I see it too.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2025 22:04 utc | 121

@Rubiconned

It’s funny, i saw the headlines this am and thought the exact same thing. Donnie trying his NY real estate shyster tricks on Iran. What a moron.

Just how I see it too.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 12 2025 22:05 utc | 122

Posted by: Jason | Jun 12 2025 20:49 utc | 105
Ahah, not only a nato troll, also a judéonazi one. Congratulations!

Posted by: Naive | Jun 12 2025 22:18 utc | 123

If Israel fails to penetrate Iranian sites it will not hesitate to nuke them
Posted by: Jason | Jun 12 2025 21:32 utc | 117

Yep, judeonazis, full speed.

Posted by: Naive | Jun 12 2025 22:20 utc | 124

Certainly hope that b is right.
Netanyahu’s back is against the wall.
A strong motivation for the false flag of October 7th
was Netanyahu’s criminal trial.
October 7th delayed justice.
Now there is much news of Netanyahu’s coalition crumbling.
Netanyahu needs another war!
Netanyahu needs to conduct a false flag against an American ship
in the vicinity of Iran.
But I certainly hope that b is right.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2025 22:27 utc | 125

Tomorrow is Friday the 13th.
Lucky for some. Unlucky for others.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2025 22:30 utc | 126

Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 12 2025 22:30 utc | 128
Like every day.
Today was a bad day for the passengers of a “dream”liner. And for several students.

Posted by: Naive | Jun 12 2025 22:35 utc | 127

@ Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 20:22 utc | 93
quote “Agreed. All that’s lacking is a viable, credible revolutionary organization to unseat them.
it might happen even without that, for different reasons.. a major shift in power essentially.. one could argue that the usa is a dying hegemon at this point..
Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 21:02 utc | 109
I tend to agree with Lenin on the role of the party in “what is to be done”. Essentially, the default consciousness, without a basic marxist education, is trade union consciousness. Trade union consciousness, to the extent that even exists in the US, is basically Democratic party consciousness. Armed with that bourgeois perspective, wage slaves may win a battle or two, but the bourgeois will win the war and endure carrying us to WW3.
A systemic reeducation of the wage slaves is required and only a revolutionary party can carry that out. The default consciousness today is my race, my gender, my sexuality. If we’re talking to a Trump supporter, it’s my country. In other words, all this must be identified as false class consciousness and flushed down the toilet. Prior to the French revolution, there was an enlightenment. Something similar must occur in the west. Only a party dedicated to overturning the Capitalist system can spearhead such a cultural shift.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 22:48 utc | 128

Bibi and Smotrich and Gvir are suicidal war mongers, they need to be stopped.
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 12 2025 21:02 utc | 110
They need to be put on trial, convicted and hung by the neck until dead.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 22:51 utc | 129

@ Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 22:48 utc | 130
you might very well be right about that.. we live in an imperfect world however where theories don’t necessarily line up with changing circumstances.. the friend who gave me the lenin book has found some insight in berkmans abc of anarchism… have you ventured any down that road?? i have yet to read the book, but i am interested.. thanks..
@ Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 22:51 utc | 131
the same could be said for cheney, rumsfield, wolfowitz and etc in the usa, but the usa and israel don’t appear to like the idea of ‘accountability’.. in fact, they detest the concept when it directly addresses them..

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 22:59 utc | 130

Iran being under UN sanctions mandate is the real aim.
Spanner in the works for BRICS.
China and Russia are not going to fall for Western dirty tricks this time. As permanent UNSC members they have veto rights.
Even if Iran leaves NPT, since neither China nor Russia are members too.
Just look at North Korea, still under UN sanctions, now back into the fold.
Nutty might still try and attack Iran as a last roll of the dice to save his hide. He’s finished.
Witkoff has suggested Israel become a colony of the US with POTUS as Head of State, see where this is going?

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 12 2025 23:08 utc | 131

team10tim | Jun 12 2025 20:49 utc | 104
But the USA can’t just thrown in the towel and relinquish hegemony.

See my comment to Psychohistorian about the almost universal ignorance of how the world actually works.
One, whether one refers to them as aliens, reptiles or shapeshifters (DunGronin), the point is that an ancient tribal cabal rules the world through the exercise of money (credit) power.
Every few centuries or so they conduct a beauty pagaent to determine who will provide a suitable economic/military foundation for the next reserve currency as their prior host inevitably withers and dies.
Contestants invariably exhibit certain characteristics, including racial and cultural unity, with a strong work ethic, above avg IQ and high social trust.
Actual possession of critical energy and natural resources is not necessary as long as control can be effectively exercised. (See Venice, Portugal, Spain, Netherlands, GB.)
In terms of life cycle, as the host nation begins to decline, traditionally the parting gift, the coup de grace that covers their tracks, is an overdose of cultural enrichment that finishes off the host to ensure it no longer can pose a potentional threat.
OK, so back to your comment: the US, like other previously used, abused and discarded nation states simply has no agency; it’s not their decision to make.
The determination has already been made, China is the next host. It practically matches up 100% to all previously candidates in every important category.
The only slight twist this go around will be the need to exercise a little (superficial) genetic sleight of hand to allow a more amenable integration with the new power’s political front.

Posted by: Markw | Jun 12 2025 23:21 utc | 132

“Even if Iran leaves NPT, since neither China nor Russia are members too.”
Posted by: Suresh | Jun 12 2025 23:08 utc | 134

China (1992) and Russia (1970) are current members of the NPT.
Perhaps you meant India, Pakistan, Israel, and South Sudan who have never signed on, and North Korea which withdrew in 2003, who are non-members.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 12 2025 23:24 utc | 133

I listened yesterday to the Thinking Muslim ‘s interview with Professor Avi Shlaim. He mentioned the activities of a Jewish British Soldier called Wingate who taught the Zionists all of the Brutal ways of Colonial suppression thay had used in Africa and Asia before the British Mandate in Palestine. He put the blame for the current brutality towards civilians and use of Deception to break agrerments firmly at the door of Britain
Well done my South Asian brothers for exposing this so far unmentioned aspect of this genocide. They know the reality of British Colonialism. As do the Irish and many other nations.
It made me think about the way that Military ideas are devoid of morality.
The US specialises in massive bombs, the Brits in massive brutality against civilians and these stratagems become embedded in military logic , completely detached from International Law.
To a layman like myself it looks as though these tried and tested military stratagems operate on their own logic.
We have bombs, why not bomb all opposition , in Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, in Libya , Afghanistan. Similarly these Western militaries have this repertoire of systems to crush dissent by targeting civilians. The military logic says, we have these tools- what can we use them for? The violence itself is the raison d’etre, and the target is only an afterthought. MIC, yes, but also SIC, Sacagery Industrial Complex.
In my view, Judaism is out of date tripe and certainly not a cause worthy of much attention. The Jews ignored most of their prophets AS, including the Messiah AS and the Last prophet SAW , EVEN THOUGH, they were expecting both of them.
Therefore it looks to me as though the only rational reason for this fantasy of evil erupting must be the logic of Military science. We have these military techniques. What can we do with them?

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2025 23:24 utc | 134

If the Iranians don’t have nuclear weapons they are fuckin stupid. Compare Libya and North Korea. Ask Kahdafi who is better off, oh wait, you can’t.

Posted by: Kelly | Jun 12 2025 23:27 utc | 135

If the Iranians don’t have nuclear weapons they are fuckin stupid. Compare Libya and North Korea. Ask Kahdafi who is better off, oh wait, you can’t.

Posted by: Kelly | Jun 12 2025 23:27 utc | 136

If the Iranians don’t have nuclear weapons they are fuckin stupid. Compare Libya and North Korea. Ask Kahdafi who is better off, oh wait, you can’t.

Posted by: Kelly | Jun 12 2025 23:27 utc | 137

Just because Iran can close the straits of Hormuz in retaliation doesn’t mean that’s the only choice of retaliation. We’ve seen an Iranian practice/warning strike on Israel. Iran could not only strike Israeli airfields successfully, but more importantly, Iran could probably shut off all the power in Israel overnight.
That’s what I would do. Try to shoot down every Israeli plane in the strike, even if over third countries. And then launch a missile barrage at every Israeli, non-nuclear power plant. Followed by strikes against every Israeli military asset not positioned in a densely populated area.
The problem for the US and Israel is that shy of going nuclear, they don’t have the reach to achieve their goals. Without control of Iraq and/or Afghanistan they can’t really threaten Iran. Trump and Bibi are writing checks their asses can’t cash.

Posted by: Lex | Jun 12 2025 23:28 utc | 138

Savagery sorry

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2025 23:30 utc | 139

Posted by: Jason | Jun 12 2025 22:56 utc | 132
I did read.
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OK. Then you did not comprehend the difficulty, though explained in the article, of what you propose.
And you seem to forget the ones under the mountains. A half mile of dolomite, granite or whatever mountain, then a complex 1/4-1/2 mile below that. The USA does not even have enough penetrators for that job.
You only read the first paragraph or two, right? Go back and read teh second to last paragraph “Moreover” one.
OH BTW, Your idea of B-52s in Iranian airspace? Facepalm. Think it through.
Or don’t. Whatever. I led you to the water, up to you to drink it or not.

Posted by: saner | Jun 12 2025 23:35 utc | 140

Lex 141
The problem is, with Daesh and US bombs they do have the reach to achieve mayhem, but they don’t have the brains to know what’s good for them.

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2025 23:38 utc | 141

Judge Napolitano had a special session with Alastair Crooke today that focused mostly on the Iran issue.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 0:07 utc | 142

Iran has every right to a nuclear weapon if they want, a provision of the NPT is that a nuclear power shall not threaten an non nuclear power. Well, we voided that long ago, further Israeli threats also void any restraints as they are a non signatory, WITH Nukes and threatening a non Nuclear Power. Of course Iran doesn’t want them, ad if they did have them, would declare as such

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 13 2025 0:12 utc | 143

Al Jazeera reporting 6 explosions in Tehran and a state of emergency declaration in ‘Israel’. Assassination attempts on Iranian leadership in preparation for an ‘Israeli’ strike?

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 13 2025 0:12 utc | 144

Using the DPRK in comparison to anything is absurd. First, DPRK has a defese alliance with China that’s been around for decades, and it has its new one with Russia. Too many have completely forgotten about that pact with China. That’s the main reason why DPRK hasn’t been attacked since 1953.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 0:12 utc | 145

@ S.P. Korolev | Jun 13 2025 0:12 utc | 147
rt news – something similar – The Israeli Air Force has conducted a strike in Iran, Axios reported early Friday, citing sources familiar with the operation.
Iranian media reported explosions in Tehran, along with reports of missile interceptions.

Posted by: james | Jun 13 2025 0:19 utc | 146

CNN sez IDF claims attack:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/12/middleeast/israel-iran-strikes-intl-hnk
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Jun 13 2025 0:20 utc | 147

Some people on X/Twitter reporting huge explosions in Tehran! 🙁

Posted by: bored | Jun 13 2025 0:20 utc | 148

Tehran had been attacked by missile Pic & video at links.
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1933314663606784144
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1933315016729772257

Posted by: Mary | Jun 13 2025 0:21 utc | 149

https://www.haaretz.com/

Posted by: james | Jun 13 2025 0:22 utc | 150

Al Jazeera reporting 6 explosions in Tehran and a state of emergency declaration in ‘Israel’. Assassination attempts on Iranian leadership in preparation for an ‘Israeli’ strike?
Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 13 2025 0:12 utc | 147
Ad so it begins…

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 0:27 utc | 151

Time for the Big Orange Taco to do his Sergeant Schultz imitation.
I imagine he has it down pat by now.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 0:29 utc | 152

And you just KNOW Trump gave them the go ahead and promised Israel the US would jump in if things get ugly for them. Sick freaks.

Posted by: bored | Jun 13 2025 0:29 utc | 153

Mary | Jun 13 2025 0:21 utc | 152
I can’t open X links but the explosions seem to be in the city itself not the outskirts where air defenses would be stationed. I wondered if the explosives could have been planted by Mossad/MEK operatives for assassination purposes but it seems missiles were used.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 13 2025 0:30 utc | 154

“Tehran unravels documents exposing secret IAEA-‘Israel’ collusion”, which appears to be very damning and will be to most of the planet. Grossi needs to resign. Iran, Rusia and China need to combine forces to mount a legal counter showing the E3 have no standing in the JCPOA because of their refusal to obey its strictures and thus no way to start the process to invoke the “snap-back” provisions.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2025 0:32 utc | 155

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 13 2025 0:30 utc | 157
In the 1st link,you can see the missile in the sky.
From Larry Johnson there are:
reports of multiple missiles.
Fire burning at Mehrabad Airbase, Tehran.
Iranian jets went airborne as soon as the Israeli projectiles were launched. Likely to avoid jet losses.

Posted by: Mary | Jun 13 2025 0:33 utc | 156

I wondered if the explosives could have been planted by Mossad/MEK operatives for assassination purposes but it seems missiles were used.
Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 13 2025 0:30 utc | 157
Missiles can mask planted explosives… or other assassination techniques
Thing is… the moderates were in charge…
were is the operational word

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 0:34 utc | 157

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 12 2025 23:24 utc | 137
#######
The Europeans did their colonial routine in Africa and Asia, not to mention the Americas.
Untold millions enslaved and suffered.
Some of it continues today.
The British were terrible, but the French, Dutch, Belgians, Spanish, and Portuguese were not far behind.
It’s all racial supremacy. That is how people rationalize colonizing other people.
Let’s not forget, Zionism is just the modern expression of colonialism, which had roots in the Roman Empire.
Mention Colonialism or white supremacy, and many white folks tend to roll their eyes. They don’t know how they got to the top, and they don’t care who paid the price for it. Out of sight, out of mind.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 0:38 utc | 158

All I read here is that once again all countries in the world must comply with the US dictate and bullying no matter how erratic US administrations and leaders may be in the messages they send out.
The obvious thing is that if the US and radical Zionist Israelis have nuclear weapons and expect to be able to continue to do that with impunity, then those who are considered by the US to be enemies are likely to want to do the same thing. That is a no brainer.
This will be especially the case in the Middle East where Israel’s radical Zionists cannot be trusted and the US and puppet NATO continue to supply them with weapons and technology so they can carry on causing problems, grab more and more land illegally, and in rejection of agreements that have been made.
We have seen the same thing happening in Ukraine with its abuse of the Minsk agreements and attempts to join NATO all with the backing of the US as well, and it is also there where many of us started to think that the IAEA’s General Director Rafael Grossi appeared at times to be more sympathetic towards Ukraine over attacks on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant compared to Russia.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 0:39 utc | 159

Port of Haifa for me is the point of no return….

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 0:42 utc | 160

no word from trump on truth
Anything from state?

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 0:46 utc | 161

Ok … according to Russia Today (RT), israel has just conducted airstrike on Iran. The New York Times is reporting the same thing. No real details yet, as of 1750 PST, 12 June.

Posted by: rgl | Jun 13 2025 0:47 utc | 162

LOL da Izzies couldn’t wait to start targeting nuclear civilian sites.
“It wasn’t immediately clear what had been hit, though smoke could be rising from Chitgar, a neighborhood in western Tehran. There are no known nuclear sites in that area — but it wasn’t immediately clear if anything was happening in the rest of the country.”
Anyone know who lives in Chitgar? Nuclear scientists? Government officials? Either way the Jews are doing what they do best and attacking civilians.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 0:48 utc | 163

Newbie | Jun 13 2025 0:34 utc | 160
The initial strikes appear to be aimed at the homes of IRGC commanders, the moderates being deemed a waste of ammunition. More air launched ballistic missiles perhaps? You’d expect to see a lot more air defense activity and interceptions if cruise missiles were used.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 13 2025 0:48 utc | 164

Difficult decision by Iran — how to manage the escalation.
Are these Israeli attacks real or pinprick?

Posted by: Afro | Jun 13 2025 0:50 utc | 165

You’d expect to see a lot more air defense activity and interceptions if cruise missiles were used.
Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 13 2025 0:48 utc | 167
I think there’s probably something to the speculation up thread that they were primarily pre-planted explosives and small payload rockets to disguise the nature of the attack. Otherwise AD would have at least fired off a few anti-missile projectiles/rockets.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 0:50 utc | 166

Ok … according to Russia Today (RT), israel has just conducted airstrike on Iran. The New York Times is reporting the same thing. No real details yet, as of 1750 PST, 12 June.
Posted by: rgl | Jun 13 2025 0:47 utc | 165
Everybody laconic, even dailymail…
So no mi6, no cia…
Bibi went solo and shot first?

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 0:50 utc | 167

Can Iran hit Dimona in retaliation?

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 13 2025 0:51 utc | 168

Fox News is reporting that the IDF is hitting 6 targets in Iran, including targets in Tehran…..
So Bibi/Gvir/Smotrich are now officially bonkers…….expect huge Iranian counterstrike………and soon too….

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 13 2025 0:51 utc | 169

The fact that the only reported “missile strikes” are in Tehran and at one air base, NOT at any of the nuclear facilities (yet) has me thinking this is merely a provocatory attack, designed to trigger a real Iranian counter-attack and thus get big fat rusty Uncle Scam involved. It’s the only way NuttyYahoo and the Ziocrazies know how to do things. Look very pin prick at the moment. And no AD response? Yeah, that’s fishy AF.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 0:52 utc | 170

Attacks by the Pissant Parasite Statelet, on targets in Iran, now confirmed by several reliable sources.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 13 2025 0:53 utc | 171

They could even have gotten some of the nukes that went missing, when the USSR was broken up.
Posted by: Shamaran | Jun 12 2025 18:40 utc | 54

The “missing” nukes were never *missing*. They went to Israel.
That’s *why* they went *missing*.
How many times have you walked out of a nuclear facility with a nuke in your back pocket?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 0:53 utc | 172

At this tweet, you can see a picture of a civilian apartment building destroyed in Tehran.
https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1933320988097151373

Posted by: Afro | Jun 13 2025 0:53 utc | 173

So mere propaganda?

Posted by: Oui | Jun 13 2025 0:54 utc | 174

171 – yes and easily too, the Iranians already hit Dimona during the last round and did cause substantial damage……..more to come and soon too…..

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 13 2025 0:54 utc | 175

Newbie | Jun 13 2025 0:34 utc | 160
The initial strikes appear to be aimed at the homes of IRGC commanders, the moderates being deemed a waste of ammunition. More air launched ballistic missiles perhaps? You’d expect to see a lot more air defense activity and interceptions if cruise missiles were used.
Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Jun 13 2025 0:48 utc | 167
I think there’s probably something to the speculation up thread that they were primarily pre-planted explosives and small payload rockets to disguise the nature of the attack. Otherwise AD would have at least fired off a few anti-missile projectiles/rockets.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 0:50 utc | 169
Without RF radars in syria, to give early warning, regular fighters could launch stealth low flying cruise missiles from the border…

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 0:55 utc | 176

The fact that the only reported “missile strikes” are in Tehran and at one air base, NOT at any of the nuclear facilities (yet) has me thinking this is merely a provocatory attack, designed to trigger a real Iranian counter-attack and thus get big fat rusty Uncle Scam involved. It’s the only way NuttyYahoo and the Ziocrazies know how to do things. Look very pin prick at the moment. And no AD response? Yeah, that’s fishy AF.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 0:52 utc | 173
Wait for further news … complacency is dangerous
this time no targets painted over iraq

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 0:57 utc | 177

Warpig-in-chief priapic

Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC
Game on.
Pray for Israel.

Disgusting POS.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 13 2025 0:58 utc | 178

I still claim that Trump is reacting to being called TACO by Financial Times columnist Robert Armstrong which went viral on social media after Trump was interviewed by Armstrong again later. While it may have been chosen as a gripping and catchy acronym headline, it is the equivalent to what we all understand as recklessly flashing a red flag in front of a bull when dealing with a person that has a clear tendency towards serious narcissism.
No doubt since then Trump has been trying to be seen as someone that is not TACO and therefore likely to do certain acts that are intended to make him look like ‘Trump always acts tough and succeeds’. It seems that now he is doing that in California in LA, and at the same time in placating the Zionists that are in the Republican party with Iran.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 0:59 utc | 179

Rubio (and trump?) disavowing but pre warned ““A US official tells Al Jazeera Arabic that Israel informed Washington of the strikes before launching them.”
US not involved in strikes against Iran, says top diplomat
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio warns Iran against targeting US bases in the region, stressing that Washington is not taking part in the Israeli strikes.
“We are not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region. Israel advised us that they believe this action was necessary for its self-defense,” Rubio said in a statement.
“President Trump and the Administration have taken all necessary steps to protect our forces and remain in close contact with our regional partners. Let me be clear: Iran should not target US interests or personnel.”

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:00 utc | 180

Yah Israel wasn’t bluffing!
This is a war that’s begging to happen.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20250613/israeli-air-force-conducts-strike-on-iran—reports-1122235622.html

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 1:02 utc | 181

Auden says Iran now responding. No details.

Posted by: Mary | Jun 13 2025 1:03 utc | 182

An ukraine is being offered “kick the shit out of israel but not us bases ” just destroy haifa etc and then do a RF and show up sunday for talks
Analyst: US-Iran talks unlikely on Sunday
In an interview with Al Jazeera, Iran analyst Trita Parsi said that with the Israeli strike against Iran early on Friday, the prospects of the talks between the US and Iran is moving “towards a much more negative situation”.
“There’s not going to be any talks this coming Sunday,” Parsi of the Quincy Institute said.
“No one knows when the talks would resume if they resume at all. We will likely see snapback actions in the UN Security Council against Iran and the re-impostion of more sanctions.”
In that scenario, it is “very likely” that Tehran will walk out of the Treaty of Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), Parsi added.
“The risk of a larger confrontation will then increase.”

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:04 utc | 183

Netanyahu : we won’t fail. But if we do. You’re all gonna have to die. Sorry not sorry.
https://x.com/logicrestored/status/1933259091717079075

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 1:05 utc | 184

Just heard a bit of bibi , he’s doing a Ukraine and betting the farm on regime change…
Crazy people do crazy things
And then fail

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:07 utc | 185

Difficult decision by Iran — how to manage the escalation.
Posted by: Afro | Jun 13 2025 0:50 utc | 168
Get WAY ahead of the curve and flatten every military thing in Israel in one go. If they have the missiles, hit everything twice.
The only thing that will stop Israel is destroying their capacity to fight. They have attacked Iran. That is a defacto declaration of war. This is not the first time and unless Iran knock the bullies on their ass so hard that can’t get up, they will continue to do so.
Israel has lost it’s right to exist as a nation. If it was a person in civilized society, it would have been locked up long ago.
Enough. Unload on them.

Posted by: saner | Jun 13 2025 1:07 utc | 186

From Al Mayadeen:
https://english.almayadeen.net/shortnews
Iran: An informed Iranian source: Iranian airspace closed until further notice
Today
03:59
Iran: Iranian media: Several were martyred and wounded as a result of the Israeli aggression on Tehran
Today
03:59
Iran: Al Mayadeen correspondent: The Israeli attack targeted residential buildings in the capital, Tehran

Posted by: Mary | Jun 13 2025 1:08 utc | 187

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 1:02 utc | 184
Did you actually read the Sputnik article? Apartment buildings and an airfield. This is two things: 1) An attempt to halt US Iran negotiations (including through hoped-for Iranian retaliation against US assets in the region and likely sparking a larger multi-country war) and 2) Probably clumsy (or is it “clumsy” when Jews attack civilian areas?) targeted assassination attempts against certain Iranian officials and scientists.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:09 utc | 188

Iran: Al Mayadeen correspondent: The Israeli attack targeted residential buildings in the capital, Tehran
Posted by: Mary | Jun 13 2025 1:08 utc | 190
So just regular old Jewish terrorism.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:10 utc | 189

Iran has fired back, and missiles are in the air.
The WH has issued a notice that they had NOTHING to do with the attack.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:10 utc | 190

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:10 utc | 193
LOL, good one – you just Rickrolled a few people.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 1:11 utc | 191

Will Rubio call Arragchi to commiserate him on the deaths of Iranian citizens?

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 13 2025 1:13 utc | 192

It should always be reported that Israel attacks Iran or anywhere else ‘with the US’s backing’, the same is true for Ukraine, since both states have been, and still are, supported by US aid, weapons, intelligence, and electronic navigation, and the same states are only being used as convenient scape goat proxies for US geopolitical ambitions.
Only fundamentals being changed will make a difference yet most people are more concerned with talking about the momentary changes on the make-up on the pig, rather than the pig itself.

Posted by: George | Jun 13 2025 1:14 utc | 193

Iran: Al Mayadeen correspondent: The Israeli attack targeted residential buildings in the capital, Tehran
Posted by: Mary | Jun 13 2025 1:08 utc | 190
That kind of cruise missile is not effective against hardened targets.
This is a Zelensky, assassination and soft targets for terrorism. Hoping to bring the us in or create an internal coup.
Trump must accept Iran’s demand on Sunday that Israel relinquishes their nukes . Did bibi just commit sepuku?

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 1:14 utc | 194

Chinese media reported Iranian chief of staff assassinated, dozens of military and nuclear facilities hit.
Watch iran blink as they did the last Israeli attack.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 13 2025 1:15 utc | 195

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First: Same old tired propaganda about slavery; if you identify with the Donbass you should know how the Russian steppe was plagued by yearly slave raids (“the harvest of the steppe” ) for several hundred years until Catherine the Great finally put a stop to it. About 3 million white people are estimated to have been harvested, though unlike the slave trade with Afrika women fetched a higher price , being intended for sex slavery.
This slavery is little known as the victims were slavs (odd name that?!)
Second: The muslim slave raids on the Mediterranean and the Atlantic are more well known in the West and harvested many hundred of thousands of slaves.Slave raid centers were established as far north as Cornwall – sounds pretty colonialist ! Too bad Iceland just removed the law advising to kill Moors right on the beach.
Third: The Arab/Muslem slave trade with Africa was estimated to be larger than the European but left a smaller demographic footprint due to the habit of castrating the male slaves – with very high mortality outcome, but it was evidently important.
Forth: Every culture on earth evolved past hunter-gatherer have had slaves, but only the higher moral and technology inventiveness of the “whites” allowed it to be – just about – stopped everywhere on earth. We all know it pops up in Africa and Asia from time to time.

Posted by: FkDahl | Jun 13 2025 1:17 utc | 197

I was listening to the Donbass Devushka Girl on YouTube (Sarah Bils), and she was talking about how Russia and Iran squander deterrence with too much strategic patience. How not launching True Promise 3 earlier was a mistake.
I like strategic patience, but now that Israel has started something, Iran needs to finish it. Limp wristed responses send a message of weakness, inviting more attacks.
They don’t need to level Israel. Just level the Nevatim air base.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 1:18 utc | 198

I think israel has two objectives in this attack on Iran: 1. to, at a minimum, derail the nuke talks presently happening between the u.s. and Iran; and 2. best outcome, to provoke the Iranians into attacking u.s. assets in the area and thus bringing it into a hot war with Iran.
I cannot believe anything the u.s. says anymore. Trump says he wants to be a peacemaker, but allows israel, using u.s. armaments to attack Iran.
Does israel have home-grown satellite capability? Can anyone enlighten me on this point? I know they now have in-flight refuelling capability, so they don’t have to rely on the u.s. for this anymore. Can they however, detect Iranian nuke sites without satellite info? For if they don’t have their own satellite capability, and need it to attack certain Iranian sites, I would say that automatically implicates the u.s. or the u.k. or both.
Tit for tat air strikes serve no purpose other than to inflame. I don’t think the israelis can even target significant Iranian nuclear assets. The only thing these show of force attacks will accomplish will be to push the Iranians to actually build a bomb. And if they use it, israel ceases to exist. They simply do not have the ‘depth of land’ to absorb a nuke strike. One Iranian bomb can pretty much obliterate the Jewish state. Oh, the Jews’ll get theirs launched, possibly bombing Iran back to the stone age. israel on the other hand, would disappear.

Posted by: rgl | Jun 13 2025 1:19 utc | 199

Posted by: FkDahl | Jun 13 2025 1:17 utc | 200
Well that’s totally relevant 😐

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 13 2025 1:20 utc | 200