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June 15, 2025
Tic-Toc Thread On The War On Iran
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yeah, a. missile war is more like the Crusades. and fish arm periwinkle gobbledygook. Jesus
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 3:54 utc | 602
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 3:46 utc | 614
You should look for the London open. That is where the truly corrupt go to wash their money.
Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 16 2025 3:55 utc | 603
Posted by: Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 3:51 utc | 617
I didn’t back down at all the other day. I called him out proactively and then just yawned. What’s the point of keeping it going? Like I said I’ve been around a while. So has he. Before Trump became a “thing” he was probably my favorite commentator at this site. I still often chuckle at his takes because he is a smart motherfucker with an acid wit but an unfortunate blind spot for Trump – or rather, he seems to think that anyone who criticizes Trump is a TDS suffering closeted Democrat boot licker. Obviously that couldn’t be further from the truth. But Gruff definitely knows his Marxian materialist analysis.
Anyway, let’s drop this. It’s pointless and starts to remind me of a psychological phenomenon first credited to the old Popeye cartoons:
I first became aware of the phenomenon of a mode flip decades before it had that moniker. I witnessed one when I was a psychiatric consultant on a patient on a medical floor in a hospital. Her medical condition was being affected adversely by her stress level, precipitating a request for a psychiatric evaluation. When I first met the woman, she was the sweetest, warmest, friendliest, and most pleasant patient one could possibly have hoped to ever meet. We were having a nice chat about her stress level when her phone rang. It was the patient’s husband.
Suddenly and without warning her entire demeanor and tone of voice changed radically; she turned into the nastiest, most shrill harridan one could imagine. Her comments towards him seemed unrepentantly vicious, venomous, and unreasonable. After a short conversation, she practically hung up on him.
Now, her husband may very well have deserved her rage and the nasty treatment. However, without knowing the entire context of their relationship, and only hearing one side of this one conversation, most people would easily start to feel sorry for the poor fellow on the other end of the line.
As soon as she put down the receiver, in literally a split second, she turned right back into all sweetness and light and continued to be like that for the remainder of the interview. Whatever the facts of their relationship might have been, what was truly striking was that her changes from “Little Miss Sunshine” to “Hell Hath No Fury” and back again were so amazingly instantaneous, radical, complete, and dramatic.
Back to the staff split. Eric Berne, founder of the school of psychotherapy known as Transactional Analysis and author of the best-selling book Games People Play, had a name for this whole pattern. He called it the game of Lets You and Him Fight. In other words, the patient acts in ways that essentially picks a fight between other people.
The solution to the staff split is actually simple and straightforward. First, staff members have to be aware of the fact that their arguments may be being set up by the patient and may not be due to the unreasonableness or stubbornness of other people engaged in the conflict. They must then ask each other on what patient behavior they are basing their opinion, and compare notes. They can then decide on a mutually acceptable course of action and present a united front to the patient, and voila, the patient stops trying to split them. Patients with BPD can be most accomodating in that way.
Because psychiatrists have known about how to prevent staff splits for so long and have imparted this knowledge to medical and ancillary staff, we do not see this problem nearly as often as we used to.
The relationship between the two senses of the term splitting is that the patient acts all good with one group and all bad with another group. If pressed, the analysts would probably say that the staff split is just an incidental byproduct of the patient’s tendency to see some of the staff as all good and others as all bad…….
I’d rather just get along or at least choose my battles to minimize bullshit in the comment section when I have the willpower to do it.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 3:56 utc | 604
Its safe to say, that anything that deranged DT says to the media, can be logically reversed.
Example: TRUMP ON ISRAEL-IRAN CONFLICT to Reporter: “Sometimes they have to fight it out.”
“I think there’s a good chance there will be a deal.”
Truth: “We’re going in tomorrow asap to kick some iranians”
Rinse and repeat for everything else he is going to say, and we have outlined the next steps without guess work.
Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Jun 16 2025 3:56 utc | 605
Brian Berletic, I think, rightly asserts that the Israeli strike on Iran is a proxy strike for the US and that now the US is eager and looking for an excuse to get involved. I think Iran, by the fury of its response and knowing the US is intransigent cannot be trusted, is not wanting, but is willing to draw the US into the conflict to provide an excuse to hit US bases in Qatar and Iraq, close the strait, and flip the script. A bit like Rorschach in Watchmen, “I’m not locked in here with you, you’re locked in here with me!”
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jun 16 2025 3:58 utc | 606
@UWDude
You can bitch against facts until it’s clear your Ayatollahs are defeated, etc.
Face facts or go extinct!
Posted by: Jason | Jun 16 2025 3:58 utc | 607
Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 3:56 utc | 623
You’re a quality poster, and you know it, and no enough others know it.
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Now, where can I find the epic TQC takedown of a troll?
I’ve been On the Internet looking at stuff, not here much cause too many dumbfucks posting to much dumbfuckery for my liking..
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 16 2025 4:00 utc | 608
james | Jun 16 2025 3:29 utc | 605
Interesting if correct. It means the US is about to cast aside the figleaf of proxy war.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 4:00 utc | 609
Quality and Dramatic Video circulating in TG:
“Of an Israeli AD battery, likely Arrow-3, misfires and destroys its own launcher in the Negev”
There is already a movie in the works of the conflict, slated to hit theatres and stream in 2026.
If IMDB would allow scoring, I think most of the Iranian hypersonic missiles hitting into Israel would be a solid 10/10! Hollywood will sure to copy the style in their next blockbuster.
Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Jun 16 2025 4:03 utc | 610
@ Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 4:00 utc | 628
i guess we’ll know soon enough.. btw – good to have you back.. i doubted it was you at first, but over the past week that got washed away..
@ tom – ditto melaleucas comment to you..
Posted by: james | Jun 16 2025 4:04 utc | 611
@ Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 4:03 utc | 629
i think you are wrong on william gruff… my take..
Posted by: james | Jun 16 2025 4:05 utc | 612
Many Trump anus-lickers here at MoA. Even worse than Zero Hedge now.
Posted by: Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 3:55 utc | 622
The actual MOA Trump cultists have mostly STFU since they realized that they no longer have their perceived “anti-war” (or anti-Zionist) bona fides to differentiate themselves from the Democrats and wave over our heads like they and their Orange Guru are genuine anti-imperialist alternatives to the warmongering Dems. Once it becomes obvious that Trump has totally committed to the war on Iran that I’ve ALWAYS said he would, they’ll be back to throwing off-topic bullshit like “DEI”, “woke” and “Democrats suck” into threads.
Gruff isn’t a Trump supporter or fiscal conservative tho he may be a social conservative. He just thinks that – for whatever reason – several people at this site who criticize Trump are secret, closeted neolib-Dem apologists or some shit like that. Admittedly it’s gotten a little….weird lately. I’m still taking stock. Frankly he is probably right about a few, but like I said – it’s gotten very weird.
Long story short, I’ve ‘known’ Gruff for a long time here at MoA, and have had frequent disagreements as well as agreements with him – you don’t know the full picture.
Conservatism, and even more so Trumpism consists of “exactly one proposition … There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
Either way, now I’m down a rabbit hole I didn’t want to go down. I’m not talking (fake news) party foreign policy politics anymore.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 4:05 utc | 613
CrazyCanuck | Jun 16 2025 4:03 utc | 630
i posted the link to it @ 612
Posted by: james | Jun 16 2025 4:07 utc | 614
Re james comment @605
Anyone know of te americans moving aircraft from Qatar, carriers in the region. For the americans to stay out of the range of Iranian missile, be it sea or land, they will require tankers for strikes.
Large cruise missile launch combined with long range air attack with standoff weapons possibly the next step of escalation.
If nukes enter the equation then Russia is in, so likely conventional attack.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 4:08 utc | 615
Posted by: Jason | Jun 16 2025 3:58 utc | 626
What makes you think most of us care about the leadership of Iran? I don’t. I have seen zero indication that UWdude does either. Seeing the criminal enterprise that is in charge of the west get smacked is entertaining but it not anything I put my own personal ego to. You on the other hand seem to have a slavish desire to see empire succeed even though it will not benefit you personally at all. In fact historically empire tends to prey on its own people as much as it does the colonies it holds. Since you are obviously not one of the ruling class you are here simping for people who do not nor ever will give a fuck about you. I am just here to see them step on a banana peel and break their nose.
Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 16 2025 4:09 utc | 616
Face facts or go extinct!
Posted by: Jason | Jun 16 2025 3:58 utc | 626
You wouldn’t last 3 hours on the front lines in Gaza. WTF do you Zionist hypocrites and cowards know about going extinct? You may just find out sooner than you thought – and make no mistake – I fully understand that you’d be more than happy taking the rest of humanity to nuclear hell with you if you wake up and realize you’ll lose otherwise.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 4:10 utc | 617
@ peter
there is a funny post at slavyangrad on this topic
There is a lot of chatter about the US joining the war, but real experts know the US doesn’t go to war without BK One. DARPA didn’t dedicate 1000 of America’s finest scientists and $100 billion dollars from the Pentagon budget for nothing, this is America’s greatest military asset.
SLG can confirm that BK One has not left the US and in a difficult match you don’t have Mbappe or Salah sit on the bench.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131472
bkone – burger king.. see pic in link..
Posted by: james | Jun 16 2025 4:10 utc | 618
james | Jun 16 2025 4:04 utc | 631
I guess even satan does not want me. Though my mate reckons I’d use the fires of hell to do a bit of blacksmithing and knock something up.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 4:14 utc | 620
In response to
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james | Jun 16 2025 3:29 utc | 605
Interesting if correct. It means the US is about to cast aside the figleaf of proxy war.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 4:00 utc | 628
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It this quote from Trump on Truth social provided by CrazyCanuck | Jun 16 2025 3:56 utc | 624 is true then the fig leaf is gone.
Truth: “We’re going in tomorrow asap to kick some iranians”
This is when I think Russia and China step in behind the scenes and tamp this down but the bully needs to go all the way down and maybe Iran is the one to do the deed….sans nukes
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 4:14 utc | 621
Lastly, the issue of strategic depth is extremely important in any war of attrition, and the Zionists lack that.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2025 19:20 utc | 202
I respect karlof1’s opinions because they have a track record. But while I’m not convinced that Israel is doing nothing else but the u.s.’s bidding, I think they have shown they have the backing of the u.s. mic and deep state, and so that strategic depth may not be allthat much lacking.
Posted by: Old Jake | Jun 16 2025 4:15 utc | 622
Berletic has got it wrong. Izzystan is not a proxy for the U$$A, while the latter is not a proxy for the “chosen”. Both parties get the same orders from a certain cabal centered in City of London. It’s quite likely that many of the “acceptable” podcasters are desperate to not be deplatformed by certain select outlets. The money, fame and name of the game makes for an easy slide into queasy.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 16 2025 4:17 utc | 623
🇺🇸THIS MOVEMENT IS NOT FOR NATO EXERCISE TRIDENT JUNCTION:
The U.S. is now deploying 24 Air Force tankers eastward—an unprecedented surge far beyond any NATO exercise like Trident Juncture.
Trident Juncture 2018 (the largest in recent years):
— The U.S. deployed around 6–8 tankers: KC-135 Stratotankers and KC-10 Extenders, mostly from bases like RAF Mildenhall and Ramstein NOT from US Bases.
— Additional tankers are often contributed by NATO partners (e.g., UK, Netherlands, Germany), bringing the total to 10–15 tankers in theater at MOST.
This isn’t routine. These tankers are strategic force multipliers, enabling long-range ops for bombers, fighters, and ISR assets.
If you’re wondering whether something massive is underway—you’re not wrong. MAGA IS TURNING INTO MIGA RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES!
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1934442874688696779
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 4:17 utc | 624
potato, I doubt you see Iran close the straits, that’s a card they’ll wait to play. If they play all their cards, there’s no reason for negotiations, You cry uncle to prevent those last card being played. You guys approach war like a two pump chump. As a wrestler and rugby player, my early moves were all set ups, you set them up for the kill. You don’t over extend yourself, you don’t negotiate against yourself, punch, counter punch, you don’t rush the KO punch, you might even let wriggle for a while, stay calm and let them freak out.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 4:18 utc | 625
Israel’s original plan was to shock Iran into submission with a sucker punch, a bit like Russia attack on Kiev in 2022. This has obviously failed so what’s next for them? Attrition not good for them. Population about to crack in the shelters they’re having nervous crisis and orgies all over the place. If Israel doesn’t escalate fast or gets a new player in their team their odds don’t seem promising at all. They just deployed bomb cars in Teheran, despair might be climbing fast among the genocidal entity
Posted by: Mariátegui | Jun 16 2025 4:21 utc | 626
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 3:54 utc | 620
wars are a lot more than weapons.
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 4:21 utc | 627
I follow a few American accounts on Twitter just to see how delusional their perception of the world is. These are veterans, most of them MAGA, some of them ranchers or farmers.
They aren’t necessarily bad people, but they literally know NOTHING about ANYTHING outside of the US.
There is this belief that if Khameini is killed, Iran will fall apart.
If Trump were killed, would America fall apart? If Starmer, Macron, or Merz? Bibi?
The perception of countries they have been deployed to, or wish war upon, is so narrow and cartoon-like.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 4:21 utc | 628
psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 4:14 utc | 641
May we live in interesting times.
Burger king. Merica’s greatest asset…. hit’em with obesity.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 4:22 utc | 629
I’m curious about Iran’s hinting at other weapons that will be a surprise and with the news of a big deployment of tanker aircraft have this thought: Atop a ballistic first stage is mounted a long-range AD missile tasked to take out tankers at a range of 3000Km. Might be a tad pricey, but defeating the tankers defeats the air armada. And such a weapon is rather simple. And of course, it would be a smart missile since at that range it would be detected and shot at by the jets being fueled, plus the tanker would know to take evasive actions. Of course, in such a wave type of attack where many planes are being refueled by multiple tankers several volleys would be fired.
So, if they have something like that, then why haven’t we seen it in action? Saving them to surprise and upset the Outlaw US Empire’s plans to intervene. We shall soon see.
You should look for the London open. That is where the truly corrupt go to wash their money.
Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 16 2025 3:55 utc | 621
I am not talking about the corrupt, I am talking about “New York” in particular.
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 4:23 utc | 631
LoL! Ok.
Posted by: Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 4:19 utc | 646
Take it up with him in an open thread sometime. I’d be interested in seeing the exchange.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 4:24 utc | 632
one big reason I never had much hope for Trump was that he never identified the Neocons. And that has seemingly plagued this his second term. I favored Bernie of the slop we’ve been offered, but voted for Stein. On Texas I’ve not had a vote for President as the GOP candidate getsy vote whether I even bother or not to vote. I seldom see much reason to vote in the general election, I’ve supported Ron Paul, Bernie and other primary votes where I could pick a candidate I gave a shit about.
But to reiterate, Trump’s inability or failure to identify and describe the Neocons meant foreign policy was not going to get fixed, and foreign policy is where the easy budget balancing dollars are found.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 4:27 utc | 633
Even worse than Zero Hedge now.
Posted by: Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 3:55 utc | 622
To make an ontopic reply to that. I agree ZH is a shithole now, it’s always been a Zionist rat’s nest. I have had an account there since 2012 that is still active, but I never use it. Total waste of time. I never even go there anymore. And now it’s pure full-on MAGA war apologist bullshit, importantly by way of closeted and uncloseted Zionists who probably don’t even fucking live or pay taxes in the US. Unit 8200 is probably the single largest ZH account holding organization in the world. ZioHedge is absolute trash despite a few good antiwar/anti-imperial anti-zionist quips and commenters. Every now and then. But it’s GOP MAGA worship meaning Russiagate level delusional hate for the Corporate DNC Demorats for sure.
Fun fact: My avatar at ZH is a flag saying “I’m safe from the Clintons today”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 4:28 utc | 634
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 4:18 utc | 645
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Yes. Timing is everything, and in a conflict, it’s who decides the tempo and has the initiative.
If someone gets inside the other’s OODA loop, that is a big deal. Russia has been inside Ukraine’s loop for 2 years now. Ukraine does terrorism, trying to get Russia to react.
The Iranians (maybe due to my ignorance) have been masterful at setting the tempo of this conflict once they recovered their comms. The Israelis want to react in kind, but they can’t because the Persians keep them off balance.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 4:29 utc | 635
potato, I doubt you see Iran close the straits, that’s a card they’ll wait to play.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 4:18 utc | 645
Yes, but closing the straits is a “trump” card (ironic isn’t it?) that they can play with justification if the US becomes directly involved. I was careful to write that Iran is not wanting, but *willing* to do this, in addition to striking US bases. It all depends on the US response. Will we return to a facade of normal civilized behaviour, or descend into high tech barbarism?
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jun 16 2025 4:29 utc | 636
“Burger king. Merica’s greatest asset…. hit’em with obesity.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 4:22 utc | 650
I recommend the Cheeseburger, the one Donald eats every day in front of the TV, its a powerful nootropic food that bolsters the powers of the intellect.
Posted by: George | Jun 16 2025 4:30 utc | 637
It is frustrating to read folks here continue to treat the US and Occupied Palestine as two independently operating entities…which is not true.
Let me repeat for the thick headed ones, The enemy for Russia in Ukraine, for China in Taiwan and for Iran in the ME is the same. Ukraine is the proxy element focused on Russia, Taiwan is the proxy element focused on China and Occupied Palestine is the proxy element focused on Iran/ME.
The only difference in the proxy war in the ME is the religious aspect but the core enemy is the same….the God Of Mammon cult as I call them.
Trump and Netayahoo are playing roles in a play they didn’t write of are producing. When Bibi dies soon because of his cancer another zionist will replace him with the same role playing as Bibi does.
So this kabuki about whether the US is involved in the Occupied Palestine events is laughable if it weren’t so sad to see so many fall for the story covering for fighting about public/private finance going forward in our world.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 4:31 utc | 638
Gruff can beat the fuck out of me with his rhetoric. Funny that you are now agreeing with him.
Posted by: Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 4:29 utc | 658
This “let’s you and him fight” shit is already old. I’m not engaging on this anymore. We try to play the long game here. You wanna see two people going at each other with vicious insults and then still agreeing to respect each other? Look at my history with @canuck. This isn’t a place for thin skinned assholes trying to provoke unnecessary strife.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 4:32 utc | 639
Posted by: Old Jake | Jun 16 2025 4:15 utc | 642
I think they (Israelis) have shown they have the backing of the u.s. mic and deep state, and so that strategic depth may not be all that much lacking.
<=Could be NK, Russia and China are standing by? Somebody State side might want to check on Cuba and Mexico? I don't think the Iranians are going to negotiate until Israel agrees to disarm and Gaza is returned to the Palestinians in fully restored condition.. A red flag has been posted..
Posted by: snake | Jun 16 2025 4:32 utc | 640
Suppose Russia has supplied Iran with high-powered EW modules to be installed in the latter’s fighter aircraft? Those have proven effectiveness in previous encounters with challenger aircraft and ships. Just a guess.
Posted by: norecovery | Jun 16 2025 4:35 utc | 641
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 4:31 utc | 660
Absolutely correct. The US does proxy everywhere, and the states involved are like sock puppets.
Posted by: George | Jun 16 2025 4:35 utc | 642
Old Jake | Jun 16 2025 4:15 utc | 642–
Thanks for your observation. I was referring to logistical depth, not political depth. With airfields and ports kaput, real difficult to resupply. Given all the Fog, the logistical issue is the main one I’ve discussed because it’s easier to speculate about since there’s actually more info available. If fact, I was writing about the Zionists lack of strategic depth once Ansarallah closed down the Red Sea and began the logistical siege which has greatly damaged the Zionist economy. Iran is able to supply itself, although it does have open doors to Russia, China and other trade partners.
… F-35B Lightning II fighters on board.” | 283
“B61 mod 12 nuclear bomb[506][173]”
Posted by: Laurence | Jun 16 2025 4:36 utc | 644
Trump has now set the conditions at which the US will enter the fray:
“If we are attacked in any way, shape or form by Iran, the full strength and might of the US Armed Forces will come down on you at levels never seen before.”
As I wrote in my latest article (link below), all that Netanyahu has to do is…
“a false flag against US troops in the Middle East – “easy-peasy” for Mossad, the National intelligence agency of Israel. Also, let’s not forget that this is exactly what happened in the past: I am referring to the so-called “USS Liberty incident”, an attack on a US Navy technical research ship (a spy ship) by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats on 8th June 1967, during the Six-Day War”
https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/trump-specifies-at-what-conditions?r=25fc37
Get ready for WW3 and nuclear Armageddon!
Posted by: Ismaele | Jun 16 2025 4:39 utc | 667
Ab-so-fucking-lutely. The pretend “IF” in Trump’s statement should be the ‘tell’ for anyone even halfway paying attention. “IF” means “when it DOES happen….”
I’ll check out your Substack.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 4:41 utc | 646
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 4:31 utc | 660
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So it’s “Let’s you and him fight.” LOL
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 4:42 utc | 647
I’ll check out your Substack.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 4:41 utc | 668
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It’s good. I have been a (free) subscriber for 3 weeks.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 4:43 utc | 648
Posted by: Ismaele | Jun 16 2025 4:39 utc | 667
He says the same thing every time.
Posted by: George | Jun 16 2025 4:43 utc | 649
Sakineh
These hadiths are based on earlier military propaganda. Even Heraclius believed he was a messiah who with God’s help will finally win over Persia.
What is relevant is rather the fact that the Old Testament states that Cyrus the Great was an anointed messiah of Yahwe because he punished the…always-full-of-sins Israelis.
This explains a lot the neurosis some there have with Iran. As Freud said in his book on Moses, the whole jewish religion is a failed attempt to kill the father.
He actually believed that the guy who wrote most of the Torah was an Egyptian priest of Akhenaton trying to spread the cult to Asiatic populations.
Posted by: Minaa | Jun 16 2025 4:45 utc | 650
I don’t think bombing Iran is going to achieve anything. Iran certainly studied what the Yemen endured, they’re ready, sadly a bunch of innocent civilians will be killed cause Trump will want it sloppy.
It’s pointless to guess, but it’s up to Trump, do we drop bombs, reach some. accord. and go home (with Israel taking major concessions) or does he fight it out (which would mean keeping rooted in the delusional status quo which Iran won’t accept, thus more fighting if sporadic metered between pointless “negotiations” with a madman. That later option will be the straw that breaks this donkey’s back and the asinine debt. This is William Faulkner, faded Southern Belle psychopathy unwinding an empire
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 4:48 utc | 651
Every munition used in West Asia will not be used against China.
China is the meta-game.
Iran is a lower-ranked Boss.
America has a real “order of operations” problem. It started with throwing billions of gear to Ukraine and now spending billions on Yemen and Iran.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 4:51 utc | 652
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 4:31 utc | 660
Fully agree.
When one loses sight of this, for whatever reason, one misses the Big Picture. All about ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ and the Hegemon accepts nothing less. We are at war with said Hegemon whether one realises it or not. More than a few do not.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 16 2025 4:52 utc | 653
Brian Berletic, I think, rightly asserts that the Israeli strike on Iran is a proxy strike for the US and that now the US is eager and looking for an excuse to get involved. I think Iran, by the fury of its response and knowing the US is intransigent cannot be trusted, is not wanting, but is willing to draw the US into the conflict to provide an excuse to hit US bases in Qatar and Iraq, close the strait, and flip the script. A bit like Rorschach in Watchmen, “I’m not locked in here with you, you’re locked in here with me!”
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jun 16 2025 3:58 utc | 625
I respect karlof1’s opinions because they have a track record. But while I’m not convinced that Israel is doing nothing else but the u.s.’s bidding, I think they have shown they have the backing of the u.s. mic and deep state, and so that strategic depth may not be allthat much lacking.
Posted by: Old Jake | Jun 16 2025 4:15 utc | 642
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What if the whole point was for Israel to bitch slap Iran, with the intent they would savage Israel. The ultimate Hannibal Directive sacrifice. With massive media coverage of children being pulled from rubble, Israel will be assured of US taxpayer dollars for rebuilding, plus at least southern Syria and south of the Litani annexed to them.
Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 16 2025 4:52 utc | 654
It is frustrating to read folks here continue to treat the US and Occupied Palestine as two independently operating entities…which is not true.
Let me repeat for the thick headed ones, The enemy for Russia in Ukraine, for China in Taiwan and for Iran in the ME is the same.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 4:31 utc | 660
Yes, yes, yes…we know that. But like any big corporation, or criminal organization, there are components, divisions that can be separated and discarded to protect or advance the real power. The United States is at a higher level than Israel, although they are aligned and act in concert. Some would say that one square mile in London runs the United States, but I think that is bullshit. No doubt, however, something is guiding the United States to act against its own sovereign interests over the past few decades. Whatever that is, is the real enemy. Having said that, the United States is more important than Israel, ultimately, although losing Israel would be a huge blow to the United States and the “Thing” that guides it. So, for purposes of this war, if the United States “enters” and lends its official assets, it is officially at risk, with all the liability that comes with failure. Better to jettison Israel and keep the real entity alive if victory is impossible.
Posted by: Activist Potato | Jun 16 2025 4:52 utc | 655
Context:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn04d4xdz93o
Add to this that if Asad had not left the way he did, there would have been already a full war between iran/syrgov and turkish/syrUSISR for months (meant to make Ir weaker)
But it did not go as planned…
Posted by: Minaa | Jun 16 2025 4:55 utc | 656
Posted by: Minaa | Jun 16 2025 4:45 utc | 672
America does its own version with its exceptionalism and president that always cite God and prayers as if he is always behind what they do. Western imperialists and colonialists did the same for centuries too, to justify their disgraceful practices, slavery, and theft. Even with Japan the US boasted to the people back home how the Japanese were being Christianised and turned into nice little Westerners even wearing Western clothes. That’s up until Pear Harbor.
Posted by: George | Jun 16 2025 4:56 utc | 657
You have to wonder if Israel is the ‘sole’ perpetrator, when you have full backing of NATO, whats stopping from Russia aiding Iran? while Netanyahu is having his continental breakfast in Cyprus.
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RAF “Airbus KC2 Voyager” tanker returned to it’s base at Akrotiri in Cyprus escorted by a couple of Eurofighters after previously flying in Iraqi airspace, no doubt refueling Israeli aircraft
Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Jun 16 2025 1:46 utc | 501
Maybe Netanyahu can share his madness with Modi the Hindu fascist who just happens to have dropped by Cyprus.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi Visits Cyprus, Strengthening Bilateral Ties
https://greekcitytimes.com/2025/06/16/indian-prime-minister-narendra-modi-visits-cyprus-strengthening-bilateral-ties/
On Sunday, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi arrived in Cyprus for a two-day official visit, a milestone hailed by Cypriot President Nikos Christodoulides as a historic advancement in the strengthening ties between the two nations.
Posted by: Friend_of_MLK | Jun 16 2025 4:59 utc | 659
We see tough guys here who bow down and lick the anuses of the Most Favored Posters.
Posted by: Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 4:57 utc | 681
OK time to go. Closing time. Last call. Bye.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:00 utc | 660
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:00 utc | 683 who thinks it is his duty to feed the trolls when asked not to.
I see you getting kudos for your efforts but how about if you just don’t feed them so b can clean up easier….thanks
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 5:05 utc | 661
Posted by: dump | Jun 16 2025 5:00 utc | 684
Lots of obvious wannabe cognitive infiltration socks lately. I.e., you.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:06 utc | 662
Mariátegui | Jun 16 2025 4:21 utc | 647
…orgies all over the place…
The old me would inquire more details on those orgies….but nah.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 16 2025 5:06 utc | 663
I see you getting kudos for your efforts but how about if you just don’t feed them so b can clean up easier….thanks
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 5:05 utc | 685
Sorry I don’t deal well with scolds or self-appointed playground nags. Start your own blog or talk to b about having a talk with me about changing my ways. Look, I say this as someone who finds much with which to agree on your posts. But this isn’t MoA from 2011. It’s a different world, PH. I’m sorry to inconvenience you even in the least, but lecturing me is the best way to annoy me. I am a forum $ contributor. If you – as someone who has never managed a blog or comment section anywhere near on this scale – can come up with a concise and useful guide for when or when not to ID someone as a troll, and when – or when not to EVER – engage, I’ll be more than happy to consider it. Until then, you’re unwittingly part of the problem.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:10 utc | 665
No, there are no 🇮🇱 F-35 hunting down 🇮🇷 missile launchers
No, 🇮🇷 missile strikes won’t get less intensive
No, 🇮🇱 missile defenses won’t remain active like this for much longer
➡️ That is where the psychological effects on Israel will kick in dramatically
(Bookmark this tweet)
https://x.com/Pataramesh/status/1934463713852973332
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 5:11 utc | 666
We see tough guys here who bow down and lick the anuses of the Most Favored Posters.
Posted by: Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 4:57 utc | 681
We see travelers passing through, many with little dick syndrome. By we I mean those of us who have been around for awhile. Old names go, new ones enter and take up permanent residency and little dicks tend to wander off and try their luck elsewhere.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 5:12 utc | 667
❗️Iran claims ‘new attack methods causing Israeli systems to target EACH OTHER’ — Press TV
Footage claims to show IDF air defense misfire & turn back to itself — Middle East Spectator
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1934466511025893388
Word on the street is that the new attack methods are hacking, which may have help from outside of Iran as well as from the Iranians.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 5:13 utc | 668
So I am looking around and there is either very tight media control in both Israel and Iran….
…or AD is making these exchanges quite mediocre for both sides.
Nobody is going to cry uncle for years at this rate.
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 5:15 utc | 669
Neat trick to get the Nazi weapons to shoot each other, if that is what it is.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 5:16 utc | 670
Tehran had a peaceful night after shutting down the Mossad/MEK sabotage teams. Can’t say the same for Israel.
Posted by: Surferket | Jun 16 2025 5:17 utc | 671
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 5:15 utc | 694
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This may be over in 7 days.
When the Americans show up and bluff, and if that bluff is called, this is going to go to hypersonic speed (pun intended).
We’re in a situation where no one is willing to back down. This is existential for Israel and existential for Iran. It is existential for America, whether they know it or not.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 5:18 utc | 673
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:10 utc | 690 who didn’t get that I was complaining about the volume of troll responses from you.
I often respond to trolls but I don’t engage them ad nauseam as much as you and that is my complaint….when you discovered they were trolls you could have stopped and didn’t which says more about you than the troll.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 5:19 utc | 674
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 5:11 utc | 691
“The skies are falling, someone better call the (US) King ”
Posted by: George | Jun 16 2025 5:19 utc | 675
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 5:15 utc | 694
Which would you say has tighter social media control? I haven’t seen any Iranian vids for like 19hrs. But I also see that “Israel” hasn’t been able bomb them anywhere near like Friday.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:19 utc | 676
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 5:19 utc | 699
God damnit PH. Be specific, then. In which thread and where did it start? I said up front I may have an issue differentiating between “new” genuine comments and trolling. Help me out man.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:20 utc | 677
Strikes on the Entity now occurring during the day.
Less missiles fired, more hits.
Posted by: Suresh | Jun 16 2025 5:23 utc | 678
So what is the over/under on how many U.S. servicemen are killed? 50, 100, 200?
During the chaotic 2021 US military withdrawal from Afghanistan, 13 US service members were killed, and that was a nothingburger.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 16 2025 5:24 utc | 679
Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 5:19 utc | 702
The Dump is not a good look. The empire took a crap….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 5:24 utc | 680
Posted by: Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 5:19 utc | 702
This guy is fake. Time to get bounced.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:25 utc | 681
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 5:24 utc | 706
@karlof1 – Is PeterAU1 (NO space!) still around or not? Please contact b is this is a sockpuppet. I’m smelling a serious rat.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:26 utc | 682
Which would you say has tighter social media control? I haven’t seen any Iranian vids for like 19hrs. But I also see that “Israel” hasn’t been able bomb them anywhere near like Friday.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:19 utc | 701
I’ve seen a couple from Tehran, one was their intelligence building was demolished, and another hit, some oil fields burning, and a blown up mobile radar.
That’s about it I can see from the Israeli OSINT camp.
And these latest Iranian volleys, I think, a lot being shot down in transit and by A.D.
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 5:29 utc | 683
I agree with others that the ME situation is coming to a head. I see one or more nukes being used until MAD is enforced by China and Russia…..what does a MAD standoff look like?
How much military the US will lose leading up to the nuke use is unknown but likely to be significant…..maybe a carrier, eh?
And the results will carry over to the Ukraine and Taiwan circus rings.
This is a civilization war about public/private finance with the Western form of social organization being challenged by the China axis that treats finance as a public utility. Humanity is just fighting that war as a bunch of connected proxy events.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 5:30 utc | 684
Peter’s tone is much too civilized for OldPeter let alone an Ozzie. My jury is still out …
I don’t recall a single “Fu€k Off Troll” since the Resurrection …
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 16 2025 5:30 utc | 685
Just musing.
2025 Atlantic Trident exercise (June 16–27) via USAFE-AFAFRICA, deploying F-35As, F-15Es, and KC-135s likely to Finland.
That was the Game Plan 6 months ago. Get all these goodies into new NATO Finland… and then support F-16s into Ukraine?
So I’m musing if the Israeli attack on Iran was part of this European vacation tour for U$ aircraft?
Or if the Israeli’s acted independently, does this mean the aircraft in Finland now have to curtail or cancel what may have been plans to up the escalation against Russia in Ukraine?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 16 2025 5:32 utc | 686
“Old Jake | Jun 16 2025 4:15 utc | 642–
Thanks for your observation. I was referring to logistical depth, not political depth. With airfields and ports kaput, real difficult to resupply. Given all the Fog, the logistical issue is the main one I’ve discussed because it’s easier to speculate about since there’s actually more info available. If fact, I was writing about the Zionists lack of strategic depth once Ansarallah closed down the Red Sea and began the logistical siege which has greatly damaged the Zionist economy. Iran is able to supply itself, although it does have open doors to Russia, China and other trade partners.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 4:36 utc | 665
… F-35B Lightning II fighters on board.” | 283
“B61 mod 12 nuclear bomb[506][173]”
Posted by: Laurence | Jun 16 2025 4:36 utc | 666
Trump has now set the conditions at which the US will enter the fray:
“If we are attacked in any way, shape or form by Iran, the full strength and might of the US Armed Forces will come down on you at levels never seen before.”
As I wrote in my latest article (link below), all that Netanyahu has to do is…”
(FTR) … maybe Fireball …
Posted by: Laurence | Jun 16 2025 5:35 utc | 687
23 comments on the Ukrainian thread, 715 comments on this one. Zelensky must be feeling lonely and unsupported 😢
Posted by: George | Jun 16 2025 5:36 utc | 688
This is existential for the Gulf Monarchies, this is potentially existential for Turkiye, for China, and Pakistan. There are a bunch of African countries that this may have a big impact on: Egypt, Libya, and Sudan.
This fight, which has been brewing for decades, is about the future.
The future of tech, the future of trade, the future of space, the future of education, and more.
And Will Gruff’s mancrush, Donald J “Taco” Trump, is at the center of it all. Cutting deals and commanding the Imperial legionnaires.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 5:37 utc | 689
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 5:35 utc | 716
he has been awefully convincing as living in the off-topic thread this week.
hell of a lot of effort to fool people for a socking-name stealer.
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 5:39 utc | 690
“If we are attacked in any way, shape or form by Iran, the full strength and might of the US Armed Forces will come down on you at levels never seen before.”
Do I sense a few hundred billion $$$ in additional debt coming right up ?
Posted by: Exile | Jun 16 2025 5:40 utc | 691
Posted by: George | Jun 16 2025 5:36 utc | 717
more comments in this thread about Ukraine then the Ukraine thread because of the putin hating trolls who always try to deluge the first page of any thread with their bullshit.
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 5:41 utc | 692
Karl doesn’t really know Pete’s status.
All I can tell the @bar is no Peter Watson from Gippsland (or Australia) appears in funeral notices or the Victorian Births Deaths Marriages registry for the age range of our Peter, or the time period of his supposed demise.
– for those saying it’d be too hard to research…. Nah. Australia isn’t that big.
Peter Watsons born 1955-1965 in Australia …. There’s actually not that many.
Australia in 1960 had a population of 10million.
So the number of Australians born in Australia before, say, 1965 is a manageable cohort.
Years 1955-1965
Male
State
Spouse
Children
Grandchildren
All (most) would be listed in a funeral notice.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 16 2025 5:45 utc | 693
Don Firineach | Jun 16 2025 5:30 utc | 711
I’m a good boy now. I’m waiting for swinging dick to slay his foes by wielding hs mighty bigus dickus like sword.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 5:48 utc | 694
Trump doesn’t want the Ayatollah to be unalived because then the Fatwa may be overturned and Iran will have nukes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 5:48 utc | 695
Seems pretty legit to me. The tell is the non-stop focus on the “factions” stuff. Whatev, you might be right.
Posted by: Thatguy2 | Jun 16 2025 5:39 utc | 719
Pretty odd no Lavrov’s Dog socks tonight. That loser lives and obsesses over his bans and the percieved injustices he has suffered here.
Honestly, I think it actually turned him anti-Russia pro-Zionist. That’s how much this site mens to his life, it never was about being righteous, it was always about being right.
He actually started posting as Lavrovs dog in the last iran thread at the very end, talking about some really old stuff he is still sore about.
Really obsessive.
But not posting tonight….
…no siree…
no idea who he might be… maybe dump…you think?
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 5:49 utc | 696
I’m a good boy now. I’m waiting for swinging dick to slay his foes by wielding hs mighty bigus dickus like sword.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2025 5:48 utc | 727
of course this is not him, but check off-topic…
he waxes a bit poetic about death, talks about reconnecting with his woke sister, gem hunting, some old memories, almost dying of dehydration… Interesting stuff l read but did not have much to add.
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 5:52 utc | 697
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 5:41 utc | 722
I’d say more than that, Zelensky has fallen out of favour from the ms media and US interests and generally from everybody’s interest since the Iran-Israel fight started. Russia knows this too. Some of the trolls were on this thread persistently yesterday. Various manifestations of ‘William’ I suspect. Most of them support the same side in either war.
Posted by: George | Jun 16 2025 5:52 utc | 698
the space is their… again – i think this is the same peter, but what the fuck do i know.. and – now off to bed, lol..
from 2020…
Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2020 5:04 utc | 105
Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2020 5:52 utc | 103
Posted by: james | Jun 16 2025 5:53 utc | 699
Posted by: james | Jun 16 2025 4:04 utc | 631
Doubtful if that is the real Petey or impersonator. My spidey sense keeps saying the latter…
But to each their own, and in the end, who cares, and really doesn’t matter.
Keep the spirit alive in whatever shape or form, I suppose.
Posted by: CrazyCanuck | Jun 16 2025 5:53 utc | 700