MoA - Tic-Toc Thread On The War On Iran

June 17, 2025

Tic-Toc Thread On The War On Iran - 3

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Posted by b on June 17, 2025 at 12:42 UTC | Permalink

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Berlingske Tidende in Denmark reports heavy explosions in Tehran this morning.
This is a pro/western and pro Israel shitty newspaper, and they often copy information from other sources.
So it is maybe only one side of the story. They also report that 17 of the American airplanes have taken off and are flying east.

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 17 2025 12:46 utc | 1

Based on the recent events, I decided to come back. It has been years of turmoil personally, but the culmination of depravity warrants to do something against the utter hypocrisy and double standards churned out by the psychopaths.
To start off, I recommend that all major cities in the U.S. and Europe start to evacuate now. Especially around military installations and nuclear power plants. The depopulation is shifting into higher gear.

Posted by: Nottheonly1 | Jun 17 2025 12:56 utc | 2

It seems that Lebanon and Hezbollah have been completely defeated ?

As now, would have been a perfect time for them to join in. What happened to their massive army they were supposed to have had?

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 17 2025 13:02 utc | 3

Wait and see.

If hezbollah has some remaining it will be used if/when the Israel AD will be destroyied/depleted.

It's useless to fire rockets that can be intercepted today when tomorrow you can possible use them on a defenless enemy.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 17 2025 13:09 utc | 4

@3 "It seems that Lebanon and Hezbollah have been completely defeated"

It looks like their strength was overestimated, the talk of them having 100,000 rockets/missiles was either gross exaggeration or Israel did a good job destroying the stockpiles. Senior leaders were eliminated damaging the organisation but they seem to be slowly reconstituting. I dont see them being of any help now to Irans cause.

Posted by: Eclipse | Jun 17 2025 13:10 utc | 5

#3 already! How many Rocky movies were there? 16?

Seriously...thank you to everyone for posting information and your comments. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: EoinW | Jun 17 2025 13:11 utc | 6

If US-Israel are successful in destabilising Iran and turning it into another Libya or Syria, I see two things happening: 1) severe loss of credibility that China and Russia can give birth to to multipolar world and topple the Western Hegemony, and 2) only nukes and tight security internal security like DPRK keep a country safe from regime change.

It is very much up to Russia and China now to man up and help Iran.

Posted by: Moses22 | Jun 17 2025 13:12 utc | 7

War is a "good" distraction when there are shitloads of T-bonds maturing in July, interest rates going through the roof because nobody wants to buy new issues, and that debt payments are taking huge chunks of the tax collected.

Maybe a tiny blackmail by the Blob : "Donald, if you go after Iran, we'll bring down the interest rates, buy your government bonds for another year, so you won't be the president bankruptcying the country... Make a beautiful deal with us, Donald"...

Posted by: Asian Frog | Jun 17 2025 13:14 utc | 8

MoA - Hezbollah are certainly pretty quiet. The pagers obviously did a lot of damage. Sowing mistrust among an enemy seems to work.

HB obviously need an equivalent of Bond's "Q", a technical centre of excellence. Then you have the problem of who's in charge - after all, the head of IRA internal security was allegedly a British double agent.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 17 2025 13:15 utc | 9

The aim is now destruction of Iran.

The US has succeeded in being able to destroy a regime from the air over the last 30 years.

We are not aiming to control Iran, just to destroy it. We can do that with air power alone.

I don’t see Iran winning this. The *best* outcome for Iran would be to take Israel with itself and to severely hurt US military assets in Middle East. The closer Iran comes to doing either, the more certain its destruction. But its destruction is at this point assured either way in my opinion.

People who don’t see this are projecting their desires onto reality.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 17 2025 13:17 utc | 10

Everybody evacuate Washington DC.

Posted by: hecatompylos | Jun 17 2025 13:18 utc | 11

In Soviet times, there would be Russia destroyers and submarines in the Arabian Sea right now. This attitude that the G7 countries can gang up and destroy any country but no one is allowed to help those they attacked must be challenged.

Posted by: Moses22 | Jun 17 2025 13:20 utc | 12

It seems that Iran is hammering the Nazis and the Zionist response is limited to sock puppets on the internet. Great news.

Posted by: Merkin Scot | Jun 17 2025 13:20 utc | 13

@10,

Without boots on the ground, 0 chances of destroying Iran. Have you seen how large this country is? Of course, they could use tactical nukes and considering how unhinged these people are, it's possible.
I really want to believe that these Arab fiefdoms are not working with US/Israel to regime change Iran, but I'm not that optimistic.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 17 2025 13:22 utc | 14

Posted by: WJ | Jun 17 2025 13:17 utc | 10

Not really.

Libya is now partially controlled by RF, Afghanistan is under taliban control.

If they 'destroy' Iran who will take control, a filo Occidental or we don't know?

Posted by: Mario | Jun 17 2025 13:23 utc | 15

The mantra about Iranian nuclear bomb is just a cover: the real purpose and the real goal for the US is the hegemony (i.e. defeat Russia and China) and regime changes. This truth was stated by people much better than myself.

The reality was fully disclosed in the interview on "Face the Nation" on Sunday, June 15, 2025.

The two US Senators, Blumenthal and Graham spoke clear text.

Sen. Lindsay Graham: "I cannot stress to you how – if you want to get Russia right, you want to make China be better, you want to convince international terrorism we mean business, you've got to finish the job with Iran."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-full-transcript-06-15-2025/

Posted by: fanto | Jun 17 2025 13:28 utc | 16

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 17 2025 13:22 utc | 14

Posted by: Mario | Jun 17 2025 13:23 utc | 15

They absolutely will use tactical nukes on Tehran if need be. I think this is obvious. They may not admit to using them, but they will do anything they can to destroy Iranian civil society.

They don’t care who takes over Iran. They simply want to set its government and technology back 20-30 years. They absolutely have the capacity for doing this through the air.

If Iran had Russian air defense, it would be different. But they don’t.

I hope that Iran sees this and realizes its best bet is to destroy Israel completely.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 17 2025 13:29 utc | 17

🇮🇷🇺🇸🇮🇱 Iranian Broadcasting Corporation urged people to delete WhatsApp from their phones

The State Broadcasting Corporation wrote:

According to news received from informed sources, the WhatsApp application is collecting information about individuals and is providing their last known location and communications to the Zionist enemy, tagged with the information.

People are being asked to delete the WhatsApp app from their mobile phones.

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42955

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 17 2025 13:30 utc | 18

Iran has no effective modern air force, they're basically sitting ducks to the combined disguised might of Western aggression. And let us recall this all began because Hamas massacred more than a thousand Israeli civilians in one day. No other state in the ME or organization (including ISIS) has or would do remotely do that because it would simply be a gift to Israel and the wider Western propaganda structures. Yet, Hamas does not deny that it and it alone was responsible for Oct 7 and, to be sure, that it kidnapped more than a hundred civilians, after shooting indiscriminately at Israeli civilians in their cars and homes. Then again perhaps this was all planned to the smallest detail by Israel years before Oct 7, but Hamas is loathe to have Israel get the credit/blame?!

Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 17 2025 13:31 utc | 19

You are either a Zionist or delusional.

If the latter please immediately check yourself into an insane asylum.

Posted by: canuk | Jun 17 2025 13:33 utc | 20

It seems that Lebanon and Hezbollah have been completely defeated ?

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 17 2025 13:02 utc | 3

You should know by now such groups are impossible to defeat.

Even a handful of operators could still muster the resources to lob a rocket at israel from time to time.

Even if Hezbollah was shattered to pieces, the pieces would be filled with angry, bitter men with access to supplies of missiles.

The complete silence is the sign of a collective decision, not an inability.

Hezbollah has decided to wait.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 17 2025 13:34 utc | 21

WJ is a pro-Israel shill. His only job is to disrupt this discussion. These people always argue for the destruction of Israel and that Russia and/or China are weak.

There are many more like him. Some can be identified as new names that appear when a new thread opens. Let's ignore with the shills.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 17 2025 13:34 utc | 22

Posted by: WJ | Jun 17 2025 13:29 utc | 17

Not a really smart move to nuke Iran, seems and would probably be a desperate move.

Nuking Iran will possibly disrupt oil market for decades.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 17 2025 13:35 utc | 23

Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 17 2025 13:31 utc | 19

STFU Israel killed at least 675 of their own probably more. Hannibal directive.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2025 13:36 utc | 24

The Americans are now going to destroy one more nation. Trump, the thug that he is, is calling for Tehran to be evacuated. There is a risk that this man is going to use a nuclear bomb over Iran. The rat-faced Russian leader is hand-in-glove with the israelis and Americans. The Putin-worshippers need to wake up and see him for what he really is: a hyena lining up behind the US, ready to feed off the carcass of the next kill.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted | Jun 17 2025 13:37 utc | 25

https://scheerpost.com/2025/06/17/hidden-history-how-israel-acquired-nukes/ interesting article. If you guys don't surf by scheerpost.com what are you even doing?

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 17 2025 13:37 utc | 26

i dont understand why china is not helping iran? if iran falls, next will be Russia too. they want Ukraine to control Russian mineral resources just like Israel to control middle east mineral resources. zelensky openly said he wants Ukraine to become European Israel. operation spider web and recent mossad drone operation inside iran all similar, probably trained together.

soon nato will be on chinese border. that is Russia will be broken up and put into nato. China is on the way to loose entire middleeast. all of its oil supply lines can be choked by west. china can be sanctioned and blockaded. then china will be forced to forget about Taiwan for next 200 years. chinese century of humiliation will be extended to 3 centuries of humiliation.

why dont russia chna understand these basic things? rus and iran don't even want to decalare war ! dont they understand this is existential for them?
putin , xi and iranian president all seems sisy clowns.

Posted by: Boomslang | Jun 17 2025 13:39 utc | 27

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/after-iraq-theres-no-excuse-for-buying

There is absolutely no excuse for buying into the war propaganda about Iran after what we all saw with Iraq.
“OMG nuclear weapons!” Shut up, idiot. If you’re a grown adult with internet access still swallowing this load of bull spunk in the year 2025 you’re either stupid or evil.

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President Donald Trump is now saying he has no intention of seeking or facilitating a ceasefire with Iran, telling reporters that he’s after a “complete give-up” from Iran instead.

“I’m not too much in a mood to negotiate,” Trump said.

Asked by the press if he’s worried about US troops being targeted by Iran in the coming days, the president said “We’ll come down so hard if they do anything to our people. We’ll come down so hard. The gloves are off. I think they know not to touch our troops.”

This is a stupid, crazy lie. Iran has explicitly said it will strike US bases in the region if the US attacks Iranian territory. If you punch someone, you expect to be punched back.

If Trump orders US forces to bomb Iran, it will be because he wants to start a war and knowingly chose to do so.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2025 13:40 utc | 28

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/after-iraq-theres-no-excuse-for-buying

There is absolutely no excuse for buying into the war propaganda about Iran after what we all saw with Iraq.
“OMG nuclear weapons!” Shut up, idiot. If you’re a grown adult with internet access still swallowing this load of bull spunk in the year 2025 you’re either stupid or evil.

❖

President Donald Trump is now saying he has no intention of seeking or facilitating a ceasefire with Iran, telling reporters that he’s after a “complete give-up” from Iran instead.

“I’m not too much in a mood to negotiate,” Trump said.

Asked by the press if he’s worried about US troops being targeted by Iran in the coming days, the president said “We’ll come down so hard if they do anything to our people. We’ll come down so hard. The gloves are off. I think they know not to touch our troops.”

This is a stupid, crazy lie. Iran has explicitly said it will strike US bases in the region if the US attacks Iranian territory. If you punch someone, you expect to be punched back.

If Trump orders US forces to bomb Iran, it will be because he wants to start a war and knowingly chose to do so.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2025 13:40 utc | 29

Elon turned on Starlink over Iran at start of Israel attack.
This helped Israeli agents, as no Iranians had starlink.
+ Starlink was used to enable remotely controlled drones and help to navigate air strikes.

@Snake.
Lot of questions… I’m just harvesting from The Internet, … so, only limited answers…
The location is Gulf of Oman
Vessel 1: Antigua - Barbados flagged Adalynn and
Vessel 2 Liberia flagged Front Eagle
Some reports have 3 vessels, but
Twitter account OSINTtechnical has a diagram showing how they collided
(If that’s what happened).

Also There’s a yt channel “what’s going on with shipping “.
They are growing and covering a lot of stuff… they have this:
Tankers Front Eagle and Adalynn Collide East of the Strait of Hormuz | Was GPS Spoofing the Cause?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4dWc9JD6Uo

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 17 2025 13:41 utc | 30

I wonder if the Global South with turn Iran into an Afghanistan-type situation for Israel, NATO, USA. Use it like NATO and the USA has used Ukraine?

FWIW, the best plan that the USA and Israel has for Iran is to install the Shah's son as leader. The Shah was overthrown for actual reasons. They have learned NOTHING over 50 years of failed hegamonic shennanigans.

Posted by: dpy | Jun 17 2025 13:43 utc | 31

Netanyahu has been pretty quiet lately after his Greek sojourn breakfast photo out. Trump is taking over the mopping up operations after Netanyahu's mess.

There were photos of China transport plane flight from CGO to Iran about 06/14. Not sure what was on it.

Within the past 12 hours, Trump has been a threat-thrower, a peace-offerer, a strong-man, and a TACO. Don't know what he is trying to achieve, may be some sort of self-styled psyop, or may be a spasmodic tantrum.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jun 17 2025 13:44 utc | 32

It seems to me that the de-facto alliance consisting of Russia/Iran/China/DPRK is never acting proactively and always accept to swallow the humiliation. May be they know that they are not ready and are waiting for internal crisis in the West that would make it more vulnerable.

For them, tomorrow is always the perfect day to make the West feel the pain even after "Maidan Coup", "Damas Coup", North Stream 2, "nuclear Russian radar", "nuclear Russian bombers" and "nuclear Iranian installations"...

On the contrary, the West is following its plan since 2001 and aside from having united Russia/China/DPRK (and Iran ?), every phase is well played : taking the time to destroy Iran's neighborhood (18 years for Hezbollah, 13 years for Syria...), keeping Russia busy with Ukraine war so as it would not easilty intervene in the Middle East, sending Israel for the coup de grace when everyone was expecting the USA to do the work from the beginning...

Being too cautious has not delivered much value to Iran, it has only emboldened Israel to "rise and kill everything first" when they know killing Haniyeh in Iran or Nasrallah in Beirut means only 4/5 random dead israelis from missiles...

We are now waiting for the false flag that will bring the USA to the war (false chemical attack on Haifa or Tel-Aviv, attack on a US aircraft flying above the Gulf...) and then Russia will have to declare that they don't intend to send bullets to Iran (remember S-300 and SU-35) so as not to offend Washington.

Posted by: Nour | Jun 17 2025 13:44 utc | 33

Posted by: Konami | Jun 17 2025 13:34 utc | 22

Fuck you. I have lost friends and family over my opposition to Israel. Take off your rose-colored glasses and try to come to a place of objective analysis.

I bet you were also cheering on the war between Hezbollah and Israel, thinking that Hezbollah would lay the smack down. Guess what, Hezbollah got wrecked. Sucks to say it, but it is true.

And now Iran, a noble and ancient civilization, has come under fire of the US empire and the crazed ethnostate Israel: the US would not have allowed Israel to launch a war against Iran unless the US intended to finish it, come what may. Mike Huckabee, the ignorant scum ambassador to Israel, is sending Trump text messages insinuating that God wants Trump to drop a nuke. And guess what? Trump is reposting them.

We are going to witness the nuclear destruction of Iran. The writing is on the wall. The more effectively Iran fights back, the more certain its own destruction. The US empire is the antichrist people. We will nuke Iran just to show Russia and China we are crazy enough to do so.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 17 2025 13:45 utc | 34

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 17 2025 13:41 utc | 29
Or was that UK f-35b (that had to divert to india) involved in some way?

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 17 2025 13:47 utc | 35

Funny how surprised you all are, well, not really funny, more sad.

A lot of people saw this coming, the strategy was crystal clear and here you go... but hey, praise the almighty Trump, he will bring peace and we all will sing "Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya" and dance happily around the Cult of Destruction & Dominance...

Posted by: Zet | Jun 17 2025 13:48 utc | 36

Trump just shat all over Tulsi

The United States intelligence community "continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme leader Khomeini has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003."
-Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard to Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, 26 March 2025

On airforce1 from Canada to DC:
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1934919351540273619

I don’t care what she said. "I think they were very close to having" a nuclear weapon.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 17 2025 13:48 utc | 37

1. The CIA, under Mossad control, has Trump dancing like a duck on a hot frying pan. Hopefully the Nuclear War started by these End-of-Earthers, can be brought to their bunkers.
2. Hezbollah, Hamas, the new Leadership in Jordan - after the Midget King is hanged, need to be ready to re-occupy Palestine once Israel suicides itself with a Nuclear match. Make exceptions for the surviving women and children? Or use the Israeli moral yardstick. Measured in nanometers.
3. The US needs to quarantine DC. Like Covid. Stretch the necks of the Grahams. So many Trump voters now know they have been played as suckers.
Trump is too stupid to realize he has painted himself into an abyss. And the Gott of the Universe watches silently. Moving on from another man-made disaster.

Posted by: kupkee | Jun 17 2025 13:48 utc | 38

WJ, you don't understand, Iran won't be destroyed, Gaza doesn't look destroyed. Israel may already be destroyed. What you don't understand is what war is, no American does. Atlanta is the only American city that has felt war since 1812. You don't know what war is until it's on your street.
Israel as occupier expects comfort and security, otherwise it's a garrisoned outpost. That is not sustainable, and people/civilians won't live there. On the other hand, Iranians, Palestinians live there. They have nowhere to go. You can level the buildings, but that won't destroy Iran. You can cut the desalination plants and destroy Israel and leave all the buildings standing. Perhaps some Palestinians might make use of those like the Agerians did.

We may be soon negotiating "Israeli " or private control of utilities for the Palestinians in the no longer occupied Palestinian state. There is no doubt a surplus of housing in Tel Aviv and Haifa, maybe those settlements become properly Palestinian. You may laugh, but thoughts of Ukraine negotiating before the SMO sounded funny too

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 17 2025 13:50 utc | 39

All the tankers are not needed if the plan were to nuke Tehran. If any in Washington are imagining a long drawn-out air campaign all they will accomplish is grinding down their own forces.

Maybe they are sending carriers to the region as targets for Iran to sink and thereby justify a bigger war.

If Israel attacks civilians on a large scale Iran can take power plants and desalinization plants and Israel must evacuate.

I see no good outcomes. If this were normal war Iran wins and wins easily. Which will make the insane inhabitants of Israel even more stark staring mad than they already are.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 17 2025 13:51 utc | 40

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 17 2025 13:50 utc | 38

GAZA doesn't look destroyed?!!!!

Bro, I want some of those shrooms you have.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2025 13:52 utc | 41

Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 17 2025 13:31 utc | 19

Whenever you get to live in a giant, besieged concentration camp; and your jailers and exterminators have the arrogance to set up a festival right next to it, you'll earn the moral right to criticize the actions of the palestinian resistance.

Until that day, you're nothing more than hasbara, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 17 2025 13:52 utc | 42

Good time for China to getTaiwan re-unification done.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jun 17 2025 13:55 utc | 43

So WhatsApp turns out to be a honey-pot, who knew?

From their website:

Message privately

Simple, reliable, private messaging and calling for free*, available all over the world.

My personal embargo on all social media once again vindicated.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 17 2025 13:55 utc | 44

Posted by: WJ | Jun 17 2025 13:45 utc | 33

+1 to all you said. The people here a astonishingly deluded... they are still talking about Trump this, Trump that but don't realize that it is still the Empire of Lies...

Posted by: Zet | Jun 17 2025 13:56 utc | 45

The most disturbing article I've read recently was John Helmer's latest

https://johnhelmer.org/how-to-say-in-russian-happy-birthday-donald-happy-us-army-and-flag-day/

bottom line is it brings into questions Saint Vladimir the Little's (very tepid) support for Iran against VVP's beloved Israel. If this wavers, IMHO BRICS is done for. Particularly after Iran helped out with a fantastic drone design when Russia really needed it.

I'm hoping VVP will step up to the plate and protect Iran from the coming USREAL onslaught triggered by the War Lover President. Anyone (A. Mercouris) who still thinks Trump isn't in this for WWIII that the super elites want is not paying attention. It all started with the deal maker's assasination of Soleimani who was on a peace mission. From then on the direction has been crystal clear...

Posted by: Simpleton | Jun 17 2025 13:57 utc | 46

I heard concilliatory words from Trump on negotiating and Israel maybe being "dropped" nothing is decided

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 17 2025 13:58 utc | 47

Israel will kill Khomeimi and then USA will bomb all of Iran's economy and power grid to splinters. Sure Iran will strike back but so what, USA can just copy paste unlimited money for Israel forever, and if any US servicemembers die that's what they're paid to do - die for Israel. The stupid inbred Muslims will hew and cry but ultimately they will go back to watching FIFA and perming their hair while the Islamic lords in the Gulf continue fucking kids and driving diamond encrusted Ferraris. China as usual will sit in the cuck chair and babble on about stability or the BRICS based international order while nuclear weapons are stationed in Taiwan (if they haven't already been).

I agree with you WJ, Iran should just lob nukes at Tel Aviv and if they don't have nukes they should just stuff warheads full of enriched uranium and start hurtling them at every Israeli population center. The Iranians have been targeted for destruction so they are as good as dead, might as well take down shit ass Israel with them.

Posted by: Argh | Jun 17 2025 13:58 utc | 48

Congratulations, Israel. You've convinced at least one former Christian Zionist that the only hope for peace and stability in the Middle East - never mind for Iran's survival - is for Iran to develop nuclear weapons ASAP. As we have seen, they already have the delivery systems.

Posted by: Jack McCord | Jun 17 2025 14:00 utc | 49

Either Russia and China have their moves ready to counter the US, are "in on the plan" with the US or grossly under-estimate what the US is going to do to Iran. I fear the bombing will only be the prelude.

An MeK or separatist uprising will be provoked, this is why Iran needs ground forces on alert. IAF are focusing on the east of the country, suggesting possible Kurdish-Azeri separatism. Would not be surprised if Erdogan and the pro-Israel Aliyev is in on the plan. Arabs certainly are. They want to carve up Iran. Read chapter 5 of "Which Path To Persia" by Brookings. MEMRI recently came out with a regime change blueprint for Iran ("Democratic Transitonal Plan For Iran") using Baloch separatists. Not sure what to make of Pakistan if that were to come to fruition. Iran needs its friends in this time, if the Ayatollahs are being stubborn and refusing, they could end up like Assad. If Russia and China let Iran go down and be ruined, they will not be forgiven. BRICS will be a paper tiger. The West will control the Middle East. Alot is at stake here.

Peace be upon you

Posted by: USSA Empire of Lies | Jun 17 2025 14:03 utc | 50

Read about what Iran really does with enrichment.

https://www.donotpanic.news/p/manufacturing-consent-machine-goes

Cancer treatment. The Ziobastards and western GloboCap can't tolerate that.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2025 14:04 utc | 51

before this thread explodes to 2000 comments
PLEASE TO NOT FEED THE HAZBARA
STARVE THEM LIKE THE JEWS STARVE PALESTINIANS

Posted by: ld | Jun 17 2025 14:05 utc | 52

Posted by: Simpleton | Jun 17 2025 13:57 utc | 45

YUP!!!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2025 14:06 utc | 53

This place is in a similar state as on day 1 of the Iran war. Because I can't see into the future and neither Vladimir nor the Ayatollah are going to listen to my excellent advice, I study this forum.

Cohort 1: reading Trump's coffee leaves

Cohort 2: disappointed there's still no deus ex machina saving move by Russia and/or China

Cohort 3: it's all over, Iran is getting nuked. Level 2: we'r all getting nuked

Cohort 4: pro-Israel. They come in several stripes which I won't disentangle here

Cohort 5: ostensibly pro-Iran. Can be identified by "Iran must...". A lot of them fake IMO.

Thanks to everyone who's not in these categories. I liked oldhippie's (13:51 utc | 39) point that the tanker fleet and carriers would be unnecessary if the decision to use a nuclear bomb on (e.g.) Tehran had already been made.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 17 2025 14:10 utc | 54

Tom 40. YOU don't understand either. The Gazans are as resolved as ever, the Zionists are looking to go visit their European homes. Buildi g di not a country make. Plus, there is a lot of vacant houses just north of Gaza. The Cyprus exodus shows I've better described/predicted these matters. Israelis would never endure what the natives will, that's why occupations invariably fail if they fail to genocide everyone

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 17 2025 14:10 utc | 55

Hezbollah was not defeated by the pagers. It withstood the israel land assaults. But Irael simply bombed civileans in Beirut, even factions who whre not connected to the Hisbollah cause. So they saw the suffering of the civilians and the pressure from the other groups. Israel even suffered during it's land operations and now both parties agreed a ceasefire.

Israel steadily breaks the ceasefire, but Hezbollah just keeps qiet, waitun for the right time.

Posted by: Johann von Oberndorf | Jun 17 2025 14:11 utc | 56

They are all Palestinians now:

🇮🇱 Israeli Minister of Transportation:

“We will not allow Israelis to travel abroad at this stage. Only those who came to visit, tourists, business visitors, or diplomats will be allowed to leave.”

There is something divine, karmic about this ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 17 2025 14:13 utc | 57

The US economy relies on large quantities of manufactured products from evil Chyna. Absence of that material, perhaps even significant price hikes, would cause a lot of big problems.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 17 2025 14:13 utc | 58

Just to make my previous comment clearer - (at #16) - the US hegemony is actually Zionist hegemony, as spelled out in the open by former US Senator Norman Coleman

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/04/28/masters-universe-jews-us-senator-israel/

So , there we are.

Posted by: fanto | Jun 17 2025 14:14 utc | 59

Partially in reference to the John Helmer June 14 article shared above, and those who suddenly "remember" that the US President is a figurehead only, never having any agency to do anything like support another country, or proxy, in a war against an "official enemy", it would be remiss not to point out that in ENTIRELY predictable fashion, MoA's comment pages are filling up with fools who - now that Team Red / MAGA are in office - point this out.

That's right. Those same people who rightly (as in a stopped clock being right 2x a day) spent the last 4 years, and many years from 2008-2021, calling Biden to task for the Ukraine proxy war and the dirty perfidy of his support for "Israel's" genocide in Gaza, suddenly want to remind us "It doesn't matter who the President is!" or "But this stuff was planned under deMOCrATZ!" and "Trump is hELPlESs in his choices!"

It's pathetic. Downright pathetic and vapid. "You can't blame Trump for starting a new war in Iran!!! (but if Biden or a Dim was in office you can be damn sure the bile would be on full display).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2025 14:16 utc | 60

High number of killed/martyred in Gaza this morning, continued destruction of buildings.

Last nights ship fire Hormuz is said to be "tanker collision".

Large tanker displacement to ME acknowledged.

Missile alert for occupied territories just now.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 17 2025 14:16 utc | 61

Israeli Transport Minister Miri Regev has announced that Israeli citizens will not be allowed to travel abroad “at this stage.”
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/152076
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Roach motel mode officially activated beyond just airports.
9:19am
Israeli Foreign Minister:
Regime change in Iran is not a goal of war, but it could be a consequence.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/152091
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Total lies, but note shift since yesterday to pretend it's not what they already said it was, meaning either they're less confident about it succeeding immediately as planned, OR simply it's not selling in the US.

10:01am
"Trump does not currently believe Israel should pursue regime change in Iran by force, Axios reports."
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/152093
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Same comment as above. New script\talking points updates delivered.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 17 2025 14:18 utc | 62

They are all Palestinians now:
🇮🇱 Israeli Minister of Transportation:

“We will not allow Israelis to travel abroad at this stage. Only those who came to visit, tourists, business visitors, or diplomats will be allowed to leave.”

The Likud is Israelis own worst enemy.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 17 2025 14:19 utc | 63

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jun 17 2025 13:44 utc | 31

What he's doing is flailing. It's what you do in a state of mindless panic when every move you make is a wrong move, & staying still makes you a sitting duck.

He was having fun jerking everyone's chains. Now the chains are jerking him.

Posted by: Mary | Jun 17 2025 14:20 utc | 64

The West's main weapon is bribery. They will always have intel advantage when they can print money and buy off locals. This could even explain the limp wristed response of Russia. It's too far for China to do much.

China will focus on the US vassals on their front step: Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Phil, Singapore. Plenty for them to do there.

Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Jun 17 2025 14:20 utc | 65

“We will not allow Israelis to travel abroad at this stage. Only those who came to visit, tourists, business visitors, or diplomats will be allowed to leave.”

There is something divine, karmic about this ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 17 2025 14:13 utc | 56
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There sure is.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 17 2025 14:20 utc | 66

I suspect that now that Iran is actually fight Israel directly that much of the dissident fervor has evaporated. You think these groups are like magnets or something, but many of them are animated by resentment over NOT confronting Zionists. Not surprisingly the militant bastards are often just game for a fight and here is a righteous one.
The best thing for/way to erode the grip of the Mullahs in Iran would be normalization of relations and trade, and the end of the Zionist occupation

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 17 2025 14:21 utc | 67

This one is hilarious!

🇰🇵🇺🇸 We don’t even care if this is real or not — it’s hilarious.

Easily one of the best breakdowns of the U.S. empire we’ve seen.

And they say North Koreans are drowning in propaganda. This lady’s just out here spitting straight facts.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/152096

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 17 2025 14:22 utc | 68

Trump is the party pooper kid who mixes up any party and giving gifts and cruelties as he likes. All other children (EU and G7) dare not to say or oppose anything, as their parents will get trouble if they do.Russia and China talk friendly to him but do as they have planned. Real kabuki theatre.

Posted by: Johann von Oberndorf | Jun 17 2025 14:23 utc | 69

Posted by: Simpleton | Jun 17 2025 13:57 utc | 45

VVP and Russia is a tough nut to decipher. I'm on the fence with his attitude to Zion.

When they were in Syria and Assad was still there, Zion planes had no problem bombing what they wanted in Syria. Russian AD was basically silent. Is this True or false, I have no way to verify other than remembering the odd activity of the Russians back then.

Syrians supposedly had no say over who can or can't be in Syrian air space as it was the Russians who had this control. And it was this control that cut off the Iranians from supplying Hezbollah through Syria.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 17 2025 14:23 utc | 70

@knighthawk.
Britz involved in shenanigans? 🤣
——
Kim Jong-un to send 1,000 sappers and 5,000 military builders to help rebuild Russia’s Kursk region, Russian former Defense Minister Shoigu announced during his visit to North Korea

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 17 2025 14:23 utc | 71

Some of you need to fall back with your pseudo analysis and predictions.
And some of you are just bizarre bigots and racists who are happy to moan and whine about Russophobia but are then quick to indulge in your own bigoted views about Black and Brown and Asian people.

Grow up.

And now the same folk are now suddenly experts on everything from what Putin is thinking to what the Persians are thinking. The same people also infest the Ukraine threads with their jiggery pokerry opinion masquerading as some sort of deep insight.

Ist not.
You know nothing.
Clowns

Maybe just wait and see what the principal actors will do (or not).

@B Thanks for keeping the bar going through the years(!) even when your own health took a downturn.
Stay safe

Posted by: Skeletor | Jun 17 2025 14:25 utc | 72

Mossad got git.
https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1934874077782475165
Iran targets Israeli Mossad intelligence building in ballistic missile strike.
>earlier reports of internet down in Israel. People were assuming Something Big had taken a hit.
Internet says it was Unit 8200 - the perps of 9/11. And the recent pager attacks.
Iran timed it for daytime to catch most at their desks.
https://files.catbox.moe/0nbelq.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/0n41hp.mp4
https://x.com/Worldsource24/status/1934853221278994590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub-2EXu1xxs&t=1s

>~ Internet wise guy: color of the smoke says they’ve chosen Epstein’s successor.
—-

Not sure if this is Israel or Iran, but something is burning
https://x.com/anesmansory/status/1934875650311209326
Translation: ^”Fires are still expanding, destruction and fire are in”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 17 2025 14:27 utc | 73

why dont russia chna understand these basic things?
Boomslang | Jun 17 2025 13:39 utc | 27

First, they cover their asses for the dumb masses ( Peskov: "level of unpredictability is absolute" tass.com/politics/1974451 ) but it's exactly the opposite, it's zero. They lie because they're part of it or just the usual Peskov dumb comments?

If Trumpy offered them access to the same resources and routes for a reasonable fee, they won't care who controls Iran, Yemen, Gaza, Syria or any other place erased by Nato since they've defeated Soviets. If he did not offer anything, they will simply not use them, the grapes are sour. I think they are under occupation since then, a simulated opposition because the odds that all Russian presidents naturally say "nato tricked me, sorry" then they do it again are astronomical.
Brics is purely mercantile, under the religion of money. If you pay, you can buy anything from them, they don't care if you bomb them at the same time, which is what half the planet is doing right now with Russia and they like it, want more of that.
Hypersonics are surely for sale at the right price or under the right pressure, like the Yak-141 or the S400. Why waste money on research? Someone will sell it sooner or later.

Posted by: rk | Jun 17 2025 14:28 utc | 74

Heading for the fray? more than likely.

” A US Airforce KC-135 tanker reecently seen departing from the Lakenheat airbase in the UK.

It is escorted by 4 F-35A, interestingly not in “stealth mode” as they have AIM-9 pylons on the tips of their wings”

And

“Several U.S. Air Force aircraft, including aerial refueling planes and four F-35 Lightning stealth fighters, were seen flying south over the UK today en route to the Middle East”

US Air Force tanker aircraft have taken off from Ramstein Air Base heading to the Middle East.

They are escorting dozens of fighter jets.”

All out war against Iran is on the cards.

https://nitter.poast.org/GlobeWarReport

” The USS Nimitz aircraft carrier crossed the Malacca strait this morning and entered the Indian Ocean.

The carrier strike group is expected to arrive in the Middle-East in 2-3 days”

https://nitter.poast.org/GlobeWarReport

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 17 2025 14:31 utc | 75

Piss Moron
The slapiest worthy smug Murdoch tool
Mates with Ghislaine Maxwell from when he worked for her dads daily mirror newspaper at least.

Tried to kill Marandi in the strike on Irana tv station.
He had planned to appear on Morons ‘show’.
The strike was arranged accordingly.

That’s what Piss Moron is now a finger man for the Ziofascists mobsters.

Slap his face.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 17 2025 14:32 utc | 76

So we know from released transcripts that JFK was alone in the Cuban .missile crisis, all his advisors, even RFK all advised escalation to WW3. JFK took his own council. Trump faces likely the same situation (maybe JD Vance is speaking out courageously) But the fate of the world hangs in his hands.
I'm not a Trump fan, but I guess I'd rather have him over Kamala. (I voted for Stein-not that it matters in Texas)

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 17 2025 14:32 utc | 77

More broadly, continued attacks on Iran missile launchers, research centers, headquarters etc. with counter-claims of limited effect.

Two f-14s targeted with video were scrap/out of service.

Currently Iran appears to be launching limited salvos of drones, cruise, ballistic. Occupation warning system is late detecting some and giving false alerts. "Psychological bombs" was the phrase used somewhere, i.e. to keep occupation on edge.

High altitude intercepts have occurred, as well as of drones and missiles, but it is not possible to say to what extent as number of launches and those reaching target is not visible.

Gaza appears to be returning to higher activity by occupation, even as troops are withdrawn. There have been more massacres at "aid stations" but there is talk of other food programs being given access in future although this could be said just to mislead.

The diplomatic scene for both Gaza and Iran is uninterpretable.

Momentum seems to be eventual US involvement, however to know US has been satisfied to stand back and only provide support, while Iran has avoided retaliating against US and directly involving it.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 17 2025 14:32 utc | 78

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 17 2025 13:50 utc | 38

Excellent post; WJ is an imbecile

Posted by: canuk | Jun 17 2025 14:33 utc | 79

I guess this is the official stance - the unofficial stance might be different.

"A source close to the Kremlin stated that Iran has not requested assistance from Russia, and Russia does not intend to offer any help to Iran,"

- Bloomberg"

https://nitter.poast.org/MonitorX99800

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 17 2025 14:35 utc | 80

‼️🇷🇺🇨🇳🇺🇸🇮🇱🇮🇷Putin will hold a telephone conversation with Xi Jinping this week, Ushakov said.
During the conversation, attention will be paid to the current situation in the Middle East.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/152102

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 17 2025 14:36 utc | 81

https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1934966943670292972

Repulsive ziotrash.

What I don't understand is what happened to the antiair Iranian defenses. For years I spent reading about the might s300 and s400 from Lord Putin and now the Zionists plans go happily unscathed all over the place. Might Iran be saving them for later? Have all of them been destroyed? Are they useless anyway?

Posted by: Mariátegui | Jun 17 2025 14:36 utc | 82

From parody account
Watford Whispers News
§| North Korean News Report On Trump Military Parade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf__GuFurAQ
Every word a truth bomb. Ouch.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 17 2025 14:36 utc | 83

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 17 2025 14:32 utc | 77

Same. Voted Stein in Texas. But you're being delusional after Trump assassinated Soleimani. Trump isn't the voice of reason vis a vis Iran Israel. Those people were purged in February. It's a roll of the dice now.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2025 14:37 utc | 84

Looks like the Yanks and their minions are building up forces in West Asia - to orchestrate an all out attack on Iran.

"17 tankers are now airborne and moving southeast towards middle east, CENTCOM AOE:

F-16's are escorting:
Gold 71, 72, 81, 82, 91, and 92
F-35A’s are escorting:
Gold 31, 32 and 33"

https://nitter.poast.org/MonitorX99800/status/1934955158208921663#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 17 2025 14:39 utc | 85

🇮🇷🚀🇮🇱Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar:
Iran is targeting our civilians.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/152103

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 17 2025 14:39 utc | 86

Mike Huckabee... is sending Trump text messages insinuating that God wants Trump to drop a nuke. And guess what? Trump is reposting them.
We are going to witness the nuclear destruction of Iran...
@ WJ | Jun 17 2025 13:45 utc | 33

This is the message from Huckabee, reverently reposted by DJT:

Mr President, God spared you in Butler, PA to be the most consequential President in a century—maybe ever. The decisions on your shoulders I would not want to be made by anyone else.

You have many voices speaking to you Sir, but there is only ONE voice that matters. HIS voice. I am your appointed servant in this land and am available for you but I do not try to get in your presence often because I trust your instincts. No President in my lifetime has been in a position like yours. Not since Truman in 1945.

I don’t reach out to persuade you. Only to encourage you. I believe you will hear from heaven and that voice is far more important than mine or ANYONE else’s. You sent me to Israel to be your eyes, ears and voice and to make sure our flag flies above our embassy. My job is to be the last one to leave.

I will not abandon this post. Our flag will NOT come down! You did not seek this moment. This moment sought YOU! It is my honor to serve you!

God help us.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 17 2025 14:40 utc | 87

"The occupation army announces the start of a military operation on villages south and east of Jenin in the West Bank" Via Youssef Fares

To remind that all of the West Bank had already been turned into a restricted zone of military activity, with mass displacements and arrests, as well destruction of infrastructure.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 17 2025 14:41 utc | 88

Moses22 7

Your Hasbara masters have already proven themselves as non-humans, so it will be no surprise if one of their tribe gets his rocks off bombing a first world city in Wogland.

There has been millennia of non-human activity by the West. If they don't want to change, no problem. Russia and China ,and God, have been watching from a safe distance now that they have the military power to flatten USUKIS, whether USUKIS has any intention of reforming.

If not, sorry, that's the end of Western USUKIS civilisation.

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 17 2025 14:41 utc | 89

Hopefully, Russia's HiCom/Kremlin/Putin understand that this summer is the time to make hay...and by that I mean, getting done what should have already been done, what needs to be done, cut off the Black-Sea-Coast [BSC] all the way to Transnistria.

And the beauty of the timing? The political blame can all be pawned off on nutty-Netanyahu not being willing to keep his wick dry. If the Russ abandon their "feet-of-clay" strategy they will not only help themselves but Iran too.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 17 2025 14:42 utc | 90

Israel is claiming they have destroyed 1/3rd of Irans missile launchers but I would treat this with some scepticism. Its highly likely Iran has deployed hundreds of decoy missile units and radars all over the country. Saddam did the same in the first Gulf war with his fake scuds. I suspect the actual number of real launchers destroyed is way less than IDF propaganda.

Posted by: Eclipse | Jun 17 2025 14:44 utc | 91