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June 16, 2025
Tic-Toc Thread On The War On Iran – 2

Machine translated from Hebrew:

Yossi Melman @yossi_melman – 5:50 UTC · Jun 15, 2025

The euphoria was brief. On Friday morning, I asked if it was even necessary to start a war with the Iranians. Shiites are historically willing to suffer. I mentioned their willingness to sacrifice as demonstrated in the 8 years of attrition with Iraq. I recommend that we cut our losses. Ask Trump to stop the scramble for a reasonable agreement. Otherwise, we’ll end up begging for a cease-fire and Iran will refuse.

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Yossi Melman @yossi_melman – 6:22 UTC · Jun 16, 2025

There is no one to stop the madness. Ariel Kahana, political commentator for Israel Hayom, writes about Israel’s response plan to attack population centers: The IDF will announce in the coming hours an evacuation order for neighborhoods in Tehran. After that, the air force will bring down buildings, similar to what Israel did in Beirut.

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XD
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131675

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 21:56 utc | 601

LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 21:18 utc | 549–
I wrote “100%” which means ALL OF IT>

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 21:58 utc | 602

sources tell us that a meeting yesterday between U.S. Ambassador Mike Huckabee and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu devolved into a shouting match over Netanyahu’s objections to U.S. plans to evacuate our citizens from Israel and the wider region.
U.S. officials believe that Netanyahu’s objection was predicated on his desire to hold U.S. citizens at risk in order to increase the likelihood of U.S. entry into Israel’s conflict with Iran.
Slavyangrad

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 21:59 utc | 603

With the destruction of Iran’s ballistic missiles there is no justification for the Poland and Romania missile defense shield which was supposed to counter these missiles.
Russia should bring this up. If they are not dismantled (as the case is) it proves beyond all doubt that it’s against Russia. All the more reason to take Odessa and link up with Transnistria to counter it.

Posted by: Jason | Jun 16 2025 22:00 utc | 604

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 21:46 utc | 586
Pezeshkian is very lucky to be alive as the attack’s goal was regime change. […] you must review all post WW2 history. Once 911 was done, there was no turning back. The Empire’s performance is far from stellar, but its elites still believe they’re Exceptional just like the Zionists–it’s that Exceptionalism that weds them.

Thank you for the reply, karlof1! I agree with everything you say but I also think you underestimate Pezeshkian. Then again, you spent more time on him and quite possibly I overestimate him.
In either case, the Ayatollah has the bigger role now. Iran is the country where they say “Great Satan” (USA) and “Little Satan” (Israel) since 1979. You’d think they got their enemies right 🙂 Thanks again for all the postings.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:00 utc | 605

The only thing on offer as to videos are different angles of the same failed AD. This one is quite clear and appears to show the missile tumbling or following a zig-zag path
▶️ Footage captures another angle of Israeli Iron Dome’s failed interception of Iranian missiles as projectile dives back down onto Tel Aviv
https://t.me/presstv/144814

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 22:00 utc | 606

Norwegian @ 590

Colonel Cassad: Probably, these strange repeated malfunctions are a consequence of those same cyber attacks on the Israeli warning and air defense system.

Just as likely psyops out of Israel to hide their own incompetence.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 16 2025 22:02 utc | 607

Ambassador Mike Huckabee and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu devolved into a shouting match over Netanyahu’s objections to U.S. plans to evacuate our citizens from Israel and the wider region.
U.S. officials believe that Netanyahu’s objection was predicated on his desire to hold U.S. citizens at risk in order to increase the likelihood of U.S. entry into Israel’s conflict with Iran.
Slavyangrad
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 21:59 utc | 605
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Net is the one now planning to hold US citizens hostage.
Why do US officials even discuss this with Net, FFS?
Just do it, FFS!
We own Israel, FFS.
We own Net. FFS.
Tell him to get the F out of the way.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 16 2025 22:02 utc | 608

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 21:54 utc | 599
The defense of Zionism was always coming.
Thank you for showing me who you really are underneath the faux compassion and concern.

You are a sick man. Is this all a game for you? This is the first time I’m typing this but you are such a condescending piece of shit.
We have a difference in opinion and you call me a Zionist defender. I hope there’s a special hell for you,

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:03 utc | 609

Posted by: Jane | Jun 16 2025 21:44 utc | 580
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Well Isr government didn’t say they couldn’t leave, the excuse they used for blocking air travel was airport\flight safety (bs or not), and not restricting their ability to travel outside the country, at least that’s the official line yesterday. But if they want to start restricting travel by boat and land too that could get real interesting, but then they might have to provide some different reasoning.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 16 2025 22:03 utc | 610

“Andrea Zhok is professor of Moral Philosophy at the University of Milan […] Prof. Zhok has succinctly pointed out how no political construction in modern history has amassed a toxic combination of messianic ethnic supremacism; supreme disregard for human life (everyone else, not “chosen”, is “amalek” anyway); supreme disregard for international law; and unlimited access to lethal firepower.
So what is to be done with such a voracious, out of control death cult?”
–Pepe Escobar, The whole planet is being kept hostage by a death cult

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 22:04 utc | 611

What is the advantage/disadvantage if any of either day/night”
Night time also allows for nice visuals showing the number/variety of projectiles not possible during daytime hours.
Posted by: Spark | Jun 16 2025 21:17 utc | 547

I appreciate the visuals part, but I believe the real threat Iran is now acting out is to make Israhell unlivable. That kind of solves the problem on its own, and unless they want to kill everyone, there is a slope of psychological pressure involved. Disrupting the night is very effective in that regard. This strategy also doubles as a continuous diplomatic off-ramp, which strikes me as brilliant.
“We will do terrible things” they said.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 16 2025 22:06 utc | 612

Looking forward to seeing 30 or so Izzies bobbing around in the ‘Selfie Yacht’ Madleen, trying to survive on the token amount of aid it was carrying.
Oh, the symbolism

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 22:06 utc | 613

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 21:36 utc | 569–
Thanks for your reply. Putin has certainly “coached” him given the number of talks they’ve had. Given the current state-of-affairs and the need for more objective information, I’ll refrain from further judgment about him.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 22:07 utc | 614

RE:
Israel’s Bazan refinery group has shut down all operations after a direct Iranian missile strike on its Haifa Bay facility yesterday, causing major infrastructure damage. The announcement came hours before Iran launched the ninth wave of its “Operation True Promise 3,” a new round of missile and drone attacks now underway.

Posted by: ToB | Jun 16 2025 22:09 utc | 615

see the videos at the first/second link. some videos are making it through the israeli censorship; israel is shooting itself in the foot. lmao
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1934726078062371118
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
‼️ An Israeli Air Defense Missile fails & impacts civilian building in Tel Aviv.
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1934726676769849546
Better quality video
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1934696661370196030
Tiberius @ecomarxi
The West’s goal is to create a totally fabricated reality in which they can slaughter and destroy at will, but nobody can dare oppose their tyranny. Their attacks are not just on Palestine or the Middle East, but humanity as whole. The bell tolls for us all.
https://x.com/Pataramesh/status/1934211155934826874
Patarames @Pataramesh
Correct, the threat of tactical nuclear strike is high right now

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 16 2025 22:10 utc | 616

@persiflo | Jun 16 2025 22:06 utc | 614

I appreciate the visuals part, but I believe the real threat Iran is now acting out is to make Israhell unlivable. That kind of solves the problem on its own, and unless they want to kill everyone, there is a slope of psychological pressure involved. Disrupting the night is very effective in that regard. This strategy also doubles as a continuous diplomatic off-ramp, which strikes me as brilliant.

I agree, tonight seems to be all psychological pressure – total silence instead of expected attacks. The silence on the TG channels is not like the last few days. Nothing is happening so far.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 22:12 utc | 617

Elon Musk just reposted this on x
US govt total revenue $5 trillion
US govt interest on debt $1.2 trillion.
That is 25% of all tax receipts going to pay just the interest on the debt.
Soon there will no money to pay for anything.

Posted by: Bill B | Jun 16 2025 22:12 utc | 618

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:03 utc | 611
She calls everyone who disagrees with her a Zionist.
Don’t worry about it.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 22:14 utc | 619

@ ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 22:06 utc | 615
They will probably overtake all the other inflatable dinghies full of refugees floating about in the Eastern Med, could even charge them a towing fee…
Oy vey…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 22:14 utc | 620

Posted by: rert | Jun 16 2025 21:55 utc | 600
re: ROFL! What land borders?
Jordan or Egypt for a trip to the nearest airport to get a flight out to where ever they actually intend to go, not for refugee status or anything like that.
re: Your second item, I too noticed that video showed absolutely nothing as it showed nothing to indicate where\when it was filmed other than drone and blue sky.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 16 2025 22:15 utc | 621

Haifa power plant continues to burn after Iranian strike, refinery and subsidiaries shut down.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131666?single

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jun 16 2025 22:15 utc | 622

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 21:58 utc | 604
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Good man. One day, lunch is on me.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 22:16 utc | 623

The cynic in me can’t deny that what is unfolding has a farcical dimension.
Boat people. Friendly fire with AA. The information warfare gods going dark. Etc.
Now for these AA systems going haywire, maybe even a raeson for why this statted: wasn’t there a story of Iran getting hold of a nice stash of top secret intelligence, basically every national secret of Israel? Maybe some stuff about Iron Dome and other systems? Capable minds do not require outright ‘username:password’ (they’d take it thankfully ofc), nice documentation of the system’s architecture is plenty enough to find attack vectors and exploits.
With Iran having information of this kind, Israel stands butt naked. From this point onwards, there is no security anymore in any form and every serious player knows.
Which is why Russia and China are chilling.
Which is why the US have not entered ‘officially’.
Which is why Israel took the gambit of a decapitation strike – in pure desperation, firstly delusionally hoping for the Iranians to lose their mind and topple their government to then be brought to the slaughter; secondly, less delusional i admit, but a gamble nonetheless, betting the US would join.
So far, the gambit failed.

Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 22:17 utc | 624

. I hope there’s a special hell for you,
Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:03 utc | 611
because he called you a name…
…now, lets talk special hell for every soul in Israel.
I am imaging somethins like giant piles of shit full of shekels, bagels that cost $2.99 each, male babies born with Carolina Ghost pepper foreskins….

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 22:17 utc | 625

Only made it to @223 b4 giving up.
Iran’s latest weapon is making Entity’s AD react to spoof missile signals which disappear and locked onto their own radiation emissions.
Thanks Stonebird @ 110 for explaining to the simpletons here why the huge movement of aerial refuelers. You’d thought they were paying attention when Hezb’Allah released the video showing those storage tanks.
Regime change is the only backup plan for the Entity hence the attack on State media which was to be replaced by Tehran News? to broadcast propaganda(sorry, can’t remember the actual name used).
This is appearing to backfire too, with Isrealis posting on social media that the Regime is using them and their children as human shields by placing military institutions in civilian populated areas.
I think Regime change in the Entity is one outcome that should be considered.
Lastly, add to the discussion please.
Don’t comment on what someone else said. I really don’t give a flying fuck.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 16 2025 22:18 utc | 626

It came to an end…
Looks like Israel has taken an active censorship tonight. We will no longer have footage ‘shared with love’ via civilian and live cams witnessing the amazing ‘michael bay’ style Iranian ‘lightning’ missiles penetrating and striking deep into Israel.
Shame… unless your in Beirut, no front row seats. The plug has been pulled.

Posted by: ToB | Jun 16 2025 22:19 utc | 627

My gut is telling me…
A big surprise is coming our way, one which will make 9-11 look like a bake sale.
US is bringing it’s strato-gastanks to Israel, to increase Israel’s attacks. Iran will also increase theirs. Eventually Iran prevails, but in a weakened state, is destroyed by the US, maybe even by nukes.
Nobody dares nuke US, as they don’t want to be nuked.
So Israel and Iran are both destroyed, and the US has just used nukes, for the first time in 80 years. Everyone is in shock, and aware that the US is indeed willing to use its nukes, increasing its deterrence.
The 7 middle eastern countries the US wanted to destroy is a great success, and the destruction of Israel is just part of the price to pay for that.
And if some nuclear country pops off a nuke at the US, the US govt doesn’t care too much, as they don’t care about their people anyway.
FALLOUT
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The Jews outside Israel go on a campaign, to hammer in “the danger of antisemitism”, guilt-tripping and silencing the whole world. Laws are adjusted to fit this agenda.
It would be like in the Havaara agreement, where the rich jews sacrificed the poor ones to nazi concentration camps, ultimately for the benefit of the survivors, with the added benefit of legal guilt-shaming and psychological castration of the goyim, with a new Holocaust 2.0
And what do these rich jews care ? They are investors and owners at the top echelons of global power. For them, loyalty was always a relative thing, meant to be cashed in, if there’s something better.

Posted by: Featherless | Jun 16 2025 22:19 utc | 628

Fighter jets that have to refuel mid-air require sight to do so (correct me if i’m wrong).
Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 21:15 utc | 539

The new KC-46 tankers, of which some 92 are currently in service with the US, are equipped for nighttime refueling operations. Israel is awaiting delivery beginning in 2026 of an initial lot of four aircraft. I had to check up on the older models and see that they can do it too.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 16 2025 22:19 utc | 629

Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:00 utc | 607–
Thanks for your reply. Right now there’re few reports about deeper political happenings within Iran. That said, IMO Khamenei seems to have taken the reins. We’re just now transiting from day 3 to day 4 and crucial box score info is lacking. There actually seems to be better coverage of Occupied Palestine strikes than those happening in Iran. I’d hoped for some clearing of the Fog, but that didn’t happen to any great extent.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 22:21 utc | 630

Didn’t Putin grow up in a small cottage on a larger property…owned by Jews?
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 16 2025 14:33 utc | 164
No, and no. And stupid to imply stupid shit even if he did.
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 14:57 utc | 183
You’re right Dude. My bad. The beloved Anatoly Rakhlin family lived next door:
‘The family…was that of Anatoly Rakhlin, Putin’s high-school wrestling coach, a man he considered to be a father figure and at whose funeral he cried. Putin described the family in his autobiography, First Person.
https://israel365news.com/302924/how-russian-jews-helped-shape-life-worlds-most-powerful-leaders-jewish-world/
Putin is always all smiles around the Jewish groups. There is a now seemingly disappeared video of him pushing away the Orthodox Christian leaders when they came to embrace him.
Strange.
‘They were extremely kind to him, and he realized that not only were they kind to a child that wasn’t theirs, not only were they kind to a child that wasn’t Jewish…’
https://web.archive.org/web/20110926234201/http://rt.com/politics/9-11-putin-seliger-investigation-toronto-355/
I’ll stop implying things now. Good day sir.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 16 2025 22:21 utc | 631

“All emotions are valid and necessary.”
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 20:48 utc | 511
“Emotion is the Dragon that can destroy one’s goal ; let one’s emotion lead one’s focus, yet let the emotion fade and let one’s logic and reason develop the physical plan without the interference of blind rage, jealousy, anger cloud one’s tactics”
Kung Fu the original TV program

Posted by: canuk | Jun 16 2025 22:21 utc | 632

Traffic cameras in occupied Palestine turned off
Israeli sources reported that the regime’s army has ordered the shutdown of CCTV and traffic cameras in large parts of occupied Palestine.

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42885

Israeli regime security forces arrest journalists and people who film the Iranian attacks on the occupied territories.

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42886
This must be the Tik-Tok generation? “if you didn’t see it, it didn’t happen”

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 22:21 utc | 633

After the Western Zionist states like Hungary, next up is India.
This mind virus needs to be eradicated as though it were a viral infection IMO.
Mass formation psychosis.
This isn’t about me. Zionism is a threat to the entire species. It is not ok to rape and mutilate children. That’s a death cult, and millions of Americans and Europeans support it.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 21:32 utc | 564
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I don’t know if India gives much of a damn about Zionism one way or another except in the sense of “the enemy of my enemy (Islam) is my friend”. Official Hungary’s infatuation with Zionism utterly baffles me, as neither traditional Roman Catholicism (not particularly Jew-friendly) nor historical grudges (which would be directed specifically at the Turks) seems to explain it. Nor does Official Hungary seem all that eager to impress the EU with its ideological obedience. I also wonder how thoroughly philo-Zionism penetrates into Hungarian society.
In any case, I’m sure we can all agree that Zionism is most powerful, and most difficult to combat, in places like the USA and UK, with the various Western European nations following closely behind and Russia not exactly immune.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:22 utc | 634

see the videos at the first/second link. some videos are making it through the israeli censorship; israel is shooting itself in the foot. lmao
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These videos always seem to zoom in before impact, to the wrong area, so one ends up seeing nothing. ??

Posted by: Jane | Jun 16 2025 22:23 utc | 635

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 22:14 utc | 621
She calls everyone who disagrees with her a Zionist.
Don’t worry about it.

Thank you. I didn’t notice before. Interesting how it’s so much easier to heed up when I’m affected myself, eh? I’ll have to remember to scroll over the righteous asshole’s postings. How I wish there was a *plonk*.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:23 utc | 636

The question for me here is the same as it has been in Ukraine. At what point does a Western country get so frustrated that they pop off a nuke? These people are not sane, expecting sane behavior from the USG or NATO is naive, IMO. Expect anything, they have been conducting a live-streamed mass starvation event for the last year.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 21:45 utc | 583
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There’s a Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck cartoon where they keep trying to out-do each other. Finally, Daffy drinks a lot of gasoline and light a match and explodes. Then he says, “The problem is you can only do this once.”
People know they are killing their own kids and their kids’ habitat if they go down that road. The bigger threat is dirty bombs. Surprising they have not already happened.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 16 2025 22:23 utc | 637

well, being masters of propaganda 24/7, israel/west would do that, wouldn’t they?? but like the dynamic in the world regarding ukraine – propaganda only goes so far, and the real war is an entirely different matter…

Posted by: james | Jun 16 2025 22:24 utc | 638

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 21:58 utc | 604
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Good man. One day, lunch is on me.
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Jun 16 2025 22:16 utc | 625
Since LoveDumbass doesn’t drink (and has absolutely no sense of humour)- I would confidently assume he wouldn’t buy such for his guests-such that it gurantees the luncheon will be a sorrowful affair.

Posted by: canuk | Jun 16 2025 22:25 utc | 639

Net is the one now planning to hold US citizens hostage.
Why do US officials even discuss this with Net, FFS?
Just do it, FFS!
We own Israel, FFS.
We own Net. FFS.
Tell him to get the F out of the way.
Posted by: Jane | Jun 16 2025 22:02 utc | 610
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To answer your question: No, we don’t own “Israel”. Not when “Israel” owns most of our major politicians.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:25 utc | 640

@ karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 22:07 utc | 616
Thanks, in turn, for your response.
IMO, one of the biggest nightmares haunting the Empire is the emergence of another Putin-like figure, particularly in a critical global crossroads such as Iran.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 22:26 utc | 641

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 22:17 utc | 627
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The ironic thing is that I believe in hell, special or otherwise.
And if I have earned it, I will have to own it. If I go to hell for calling a spade a spade, so be it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 22:27 utc | 642

Dammit. Link still works despite my mistake. Here it is again.
9/11 inside job “impossible to conceal,” says Vladimir Putin
https://web.archive.org/web/20110926234201/http://rt.com/politics/9-11-putin-seliger-investigation-toronto-355/
https://tinyurl.com/455mte65
https://tinyurl.com/yc6kvtdb

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 16 2025 22:30 utc | 643

Posted by: Featherless | Jun 16 2025 22:19 utc | 630

I agree that this is a scenario that could happen. Hopefully it won’t! But what do we get from making and comparing negative futures?
Then again, I can relate: when I think too much about this world, then my head starts boiling with rage and I can’t tell noone.
For some actual input:

Nobody dares nuke US, as they don’t want to be nuked.

It’s the job of the other heavyweights to explain to Team Trump that the price for firing a nuclear weapon is too high. This is possible: immediate trading embargo; full on conventional war on all the 800 military bases; personal threats.
When it happens, it happens. And chances are > 0%, unfortunately. I don’t see inevitability. There’s a reason why Russia and Iran are taking it slow. Western minds need time to adapt to the new situation. And to assess what they’d lose (a lot if you’re elite!) if they pull the trigger.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:32 utc | 644

Posted by: ToB | Jun 16 2025 22:19 utc | 629
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Censorship always backfires. We saw more of Gaza than most of us can stomach, and one can be sure the IDF was trying to hide all of it.
Social media has really screwed over narrative control for governments.
And then, Israelis love to post videos. Whether IDF dancing girls or Israeli citizens dressing like Palestinians and play-acting, carrying their dead children. A very dramatic people. Israelis will not be able to resist telling everyone how badly they have been treated because they are chosen by God and superior.
Most of the missile videos I have seen were posted by Israelis. They can’t help themselves. I don’t blame them. Hypersonics are pretty cool.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 22:32 utc | 645

over Netanyahu’s objections to U.S. plans to evacuate our citizens from Israel and the wider region.
U.S. officials believe that Netanyahu’s objection was predicated on his desire to hold U.S. citizens at risk in order to increase the likelihood of U.S. entry into Israel’s conflict with Iran.
Slavyangrad
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 21:59 utc | 605
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Jesus h, the huckster couldn’t be more up yahoo’s arse if he tried and even he is arguing with nyahoo?
More importantly WTF does it show, that he even thinks he gets to ‘object’ to that in the first place?
Or is this more bs they are feeding, like the bs trump and nyahoo don’t get along etc op,etc. Unnamed (even generically) sources say…

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 16 2025 22:32 utc | 646

@ ed4 | 602
This time there is a shooting war and it will not be easy to sweep it and hard to stop a small boat from making a quick trip out from the shore from dropping a mine or two into the Straits.
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Now might be a great time to relate the advances in aerial drones to the underwater context. The mines may already be placed by autonomous navigation to designated placements to lay in wait for an activation signal. Upon activation they may behave like a normal mine or ascend and operate somewhat as a torpedo, a limpet, or a tracker.

Posted by: NomNom | Jun 16 2025 22:35 utc | 647

Good man. One day, lunch is on me.
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Jun 16 2025 22:16 utc | 625
Since LoveDumbass doesn’t drink (and has absolutely no sense of humour)- I would confidently assume he wouldn’t buy such for his guests-such that it guarantees the luncheon will be a sorrowful affair.
Posted by: canuk | Jun 16 2025 22:25 utc | 641
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LDumbass is nothing if not patronizing (as well as humorless, spiteful, and conceited). Imagine LDumbass “approving of” Karlof1 (“Good man”)! (But I think LD is a girl.)

Posted by: Jane | Jun 16 2025 22:35 utc | 648

We have a difference in opinion and you call me a Zionist defender. I hope there’s a special hell for you,[LoveDonbass].
Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:03 utc | 611

Rest assured that there is, and he/she/they are already there. What we are witnessing here is frequently as much the deed (again) as the screams of torment emanating from deep down. This personality is like an eggshell covering a black hole. All we can do is to offer a modicum of cameraderie and safeguard against trangressions by pointing them out. I count on LoveD having some awareness of this, as I can see the hard work they’ve been putting in to live with rejection. And – there I’ll say it – I have an honest respect for this.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 16 2025 22:36 utc | 649

Who owns who has turned into a Rorschach test.
Posted by: Deniz | Jun 16 2025 22:28 utc | 645
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Who created the Balfour Declaration?
Who created the Mandate?
Who tried to control the region after the Ottoman Empire fell?
The root is easy to see, but most don’t choose to notice it. Hiding in plain sight.
Not an accident that the Prince of Wales is headed to the region.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 22:36 utc | 650

I’ll stop implying things now. Good day sir.
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 16 2025 22:21 utc | 633
Look at yourself
Just look at yourself.
you are at the point you are trying to pinpoint Putin’s childhood neighbor being a nice Jewish person as some kind of proof of some kind of insidious evil plot, a plot you wen’t even sure what it is…but… Jooos
Jesus fucking Christ

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 22:38 utc | 651

Stop Israel’s War on Iran – Tell Carney To Sanction Israel
https://www.cjpme.org/tell_carney_to_sanction_israel
“…He has shamefully sided with Israel in its illegal attack on Iran, abandoning any commitment to international law. Sanctions are urgently needed to force Israel to end its illegal attacks on Iran and its genocide in Gaza. Send an urgent message demanding that Prime Minister Carney and Foreign Minister Anita Anand follow through with sanctions on Israel.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 16 2025 22:38 utc | 652

US govt total revenue $5 trillion
US govt interest on debt $1.2 trillion.
That is 25% of all tax receipts going to pay just the interest on the debt.
Soon there will no money to pay for anything.
Posted by: Bill B | Jun 16 2025 22:12 utc | 620
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Uh-oh, six lengthy screeds in praise of the Magic Money Tree incoming in five . . . four . . . three . . .

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:38 utc | 653

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:22 utc | 636
I’d still rather turn the question on its head:
Why in hell give a rat’s ass about some minoritarian, largely inbreeding, ostensibly backwards religionists?
Who most of the time don’t even fold into national loyalty?
FUCK YOU! Stay put or FUCK YOU!! Why in freezing blazes does the rest of the world owe them any special treatment?
No sir, get on with the times, I cannot give a shit that 3000 years ago some mutilated rustdick decided that seafood is sinful, really, neither should you or anybody else, and on top of that I’m supposed to hold you in greater esteem because of these ridiculous commandments?
No, sorry, behave or perish.
BuT mUh AnTiSeMiTiSm
I feel like having some lemonade.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 16 2025 22:39 utc | 654

Now for these AA systems going haywire, maybe even a raeson for why this statted: wasn’t there a story of Iran getting hold of a nice stash of top secret intelligence, basically every national secret of Israel? Maybe some stuff about Iron Dome and other systems?
Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 22:17 utc | 626
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I propose that the person(s) who stole that intelligence and/or leaked it to Iran be awarded the next Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:40 utc | 655

I’d hoped for some clearing of the Fog, but that didn’t happen to any great extent.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 22:21 utc | 632
we we being told Israel controls Irans skies.
ok, got footage?
Tons of it.
can I see it?
No.
You control the skies, but got no cameras up there?
Un, here is a picture of one of our drones flying……its over Tehran. try to imagine what the ground in Tehran looks like, trust me.

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 22:42 utc | 656

It’s the job of the other heavyweights to explain to Team Trump that the price for firing a nuclear weapon is too high. This is possible: immediate trading embargo; full on conventional war on all the 800 military bases; personal threats.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:32 utc | 647
There’s a certain level of delusion about the “post-American” world, and this exemplifies it. The nations which want to mitigate American tariffs, including China and KSA, aren’t going to hop onto some kind of embargo bandwagon. By the same vein, if China felt confident enough to attack American bases they’d just do it.
The odds are just as good that most countries would “condemn” a nuclear strike from Israel against Iran. But losing diplomatic support could really hurt Israel financially, and the temptation to coup a Netanyahu government would reach a crescendo.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 16 2025 22:42 utc | 657

I’d still rather turn the question on its head:
Why in hell give a rat’s ass about some minoritarian, largely inbreeding, ostensibly backwards religionists?
Who most of the time don’t even fold into national loyalty? [ . . . ]
Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 16 2025 22:39 utc | 657
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Well, actually, that would be my question too, and in most cases the answer seems to boil down to: Money. And money, as we all know, is Power.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:43 utc | 658

@618 michael72
“Israel” has said it had has been ‘working on’ underground complexes, whether that means degrading air defence or trying to destroy access etc. I would not know.
The reports of munitions being used are very sparse, “Israel” does not seem to enjoy unrestricted access to airspace, or is being cautious using more remote delivery. The bombing of the TV station was announced as by drone but far too large a destruction to be of, is another example.
Anyway, Fordo is one center of attention, the Mag2 earthquake was said to correspond with attacks there by some, but other reports by “Israel” say they haven’t attacked it yet.
I don’t pay much notice to “Israel” US drama and bickering, most is presentation and narrative.
Point being, whether or when US enters, on what grounds, and whether “Israel” is capable of attacking secure facilities by itself, remains impossible to answer. The US president suggested “Israel” might act by itself decisively in some way, which I take as true (as in is capable of but the call might still be bluff) , but without saying how.
In short, there is a timescale to all of this and we know little, so mostly I am just observing. Same with Gaza, am reading but not commenting much until I understand how anything is shifting there…it is under the same conditions as the past months as far as any reports are concerned….
Don’t mind my being quite, am following…
Ooop …just now :
“Journalist Youssef Fares
Urgent | Trump: Everyone must evacuate the Iranian capital, #Tehran, immediately”

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 16 2025 22:43 utc | 659

Soon there will no money to pay for anything.
Posted by: Bill B | Jun 16 2025 22:12 utc | 620
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Yeah, it would be terrible if the engine of modern-day oppression ran out of fuel. /s
It would really suck if America being broke, decided to deploy 20+ refueling tankers and deployed 2 carriers against a technologically superior opponent. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 22:44 utc | 660

Just now :
“Journalist Youssef Fares
Urgent | Trump: Everyone must evacuate the Iranian capital, #Tehran, immediately”
???

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 16 2025 22:44 utc | 661

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:40 utc | 658
I agree.
How high do you deem the chances for the Nobel Piece Prize going to a team of Iranian, Russian, Chinese and North Korean hackers?

Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 22:44 utc | 662

To answer your question: No, we don’t own “Israel”. Not when “Israel” owns most of our major politicians.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:25 utc | 642
Who owns who has turned into a Rorschach test.
Posted by: Deniz | Jun 16 2025 22:28 utc | 645
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As I’ve posted before on several occasions, the power relationship between the USA and the Zionazi entity is not one-sided. It is in fact dialectical.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:46 utc | 663

By the same vein, if China felt confident enough to attack American bases they’d just do it.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 16 2025 22:42 utc | 660
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That presumes that the Chinese have the same objectives and tactics as a Western country.
Are you familiar with Confucianism at all?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 22:48 utc | 664

How high do you deem the chances for the Nobel Piece Prize going to a team of Iranian, Russian, Chinese and North Korean hackers?
Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 22:44 utc | 665
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The chances are a thousand times greater that the Prize would be awarded to Bibi Netanyahu.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:48 utc | 665

How high do you deem the chances for the Nobel Piece Prize going to a team of Iranian, Russian, Chinese and North Korean hackers?
Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 22:44 utc | 665
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The chances are a thousand times greater that the Prize would be awarded to Bibi Netanyahu.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:48 utc | 668
Bibi has killed way more kids and done way more drones strikes then Obama… …he is almost a shoe-in at this point.

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 16 2025 22:52 utc | 666

To answer your question: No, we don’t own “Israel”. Not when “Israel” owns most of our major politicians.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:25 utc | 642
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I knew that would be challenged when I wrote it.
The fact is that the USA does own Israel.
As many have noted, without the support Israel would have folded decades ago.
But the USA does not exercise the actual power that it has.
The USA could have ended the Gaza genocide in a heartbeat.
It could have prevent Israel from all of its crimes against Pals in a heartbeat.
It could stop the settlements in a heartbeat.
It could force Israel to heed international law merely by ceasing with its vetos in the UN.
It could neuter the Israel Lobby by obliging AIPAC and other IL entities to register under FARA.
Etc.
But it CHOOSES not to do these things.
That is why the relationship is so SICK.
Through ceaseless propaganda, the USA has been bamboozled into thinking it needs Israel, but it doesn’t.
As many have noted, Israel is a gigantic liability to the USA, on every level, including military. A few Americans, many of them Jewish, profit from the relationship. That is all.
Now Trump is in the shit because it has become obvious that Israel is a liability, not an asset, and it is time to cut the drip-feed.
He is now in a no-win situation because of a failure of intellect and a category error.
The USA has total power of Israel and the USA does not need Israel. Only a few US oligarchs get anything out of this relationship, plus addled Jewish Americans who get a psychological charge out of “Israel.”
Will Net. succeed in “forcing” the Yanks to leave Americans in Zionistan, virtually as hostages to a madman?
We’ll soon find out, I guess.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 16 2025 22:52 utc | 667

Trump just posted on Truth Social the following:

Iran should have signed the “deal” I told them to sign. What a shame, and waste of human life. Simply stated, IRAN CAN NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. I said it over and over again! Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jun 16 2025 22:52 utc | 668

Are you familiar with Confucianism at all?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 22:48 utc | 667
Not at all is the right answer. How does Confucianism guide the CPC or determine its military strategy?

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 16 2025 22:53 utc | 669

Peace Prize candidate? No problem, bound to be Zelensky…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 22:53 utc | 670

By the same vein, if China felt confident enough to attack American bases they’d just do it.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 16 2025 22:42 utc | 660
No, they wouldn’t, unless forced to.
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Because that’s not their game or style. It would disrupt bona fide trade and diplomacy, and stability.
IT’S NOT SO FUCKING HARD TO GET FOR FUCKS SAKE, TURNING THE REST OF THE WORLD INTO MAD MAX DOESN’T GET YOU ANY FARTHER
AT MOST IT MAKES YOU KING OF SHIT HILL

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 16 2025 22:54 utc | 671

We have a difference in opinion and you call me a Zionist defender. I hope there’s a special hell for you,[LoveDonbass].
Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:03 utc | 611
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I don’t know if you even have much of a difference of opinion. It seems to me that LD is a fundamentally decent human being but, hypersensitized by perfectly justifiable outrage over Zionazi criminality, misread your comment and reacted with emotional violence. It happens to a lot of us, myself included.
All the more reason why we are lucky to have enemies of the caliber and demeanor of Putin, Xi, and — yes — Khamenei.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:54 utc | 672

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 16 2025 22:36 utc | 652
This personality is like an eggshell covering a black hole. All we can do is to offer a modicum of cameraderie and safeguard against trangressions by pointing them out.

This is just a forum; we shouldn’t take it too seriously: after the throw-away “X must Y” one liners, the deliberate trolling, the drama (to which I now contribute and I don’t like it), there’s <30% content.
Thank you for your very considerate input; I'm not as good as you and will just ignore her/him/it. I believe LD's behavior is classic holier-than-thou. Apart from the obvious trolls, this place shares a moral assessment. Some people try to empower themselves by being best at hating the enemy, and looking down on lesser comrades who perhaps see nuance.
* * *
To add a little content to the stupid drama (sorry forum): it is probably obvious to some but I didn't see it mentioned yet. Thomas Röper from Antispiegel pointed out that the “No Kings” protests follow the color revolution playbook to a T: mainstream media neglect protestor violence and stress/invent police violence; the whole affair is clearly not grassroot but organised; slogans/symbols are prepared in advance; the next level (shootings — think Maidan) is always an option.
So the USA got its the second color revolution attempt after BLM, both sponsored by the Democratic Party.
I’ll claim this fits in this thread because one way out of the nuclear inferno could be disintegration in Romethe heart of the evil empire. (I know that Team Harris is as zionist as Team Trump; the point is that internal cracks trigger internal actions.)

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:55 utc | 673

I see someone already posted Trump’s “Truth” tweet warning everyone to evacuate Tehran. The city and its suburbs amount to 15+ million people. Where are they going to evacuate to in time? USreal are phucking monsters.

Posted by: bored | Jun 16 2025 22:56 utc | 674

Peace Prize candidate? No problem, bound to be Zelensky…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 22:53 utc | 673
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Zelensky is yesterday’s garbage. By the time the Prize is awarded, people will be asking “Zelen-who?”

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 16 2025 22:58 utc | 675

This must be the Tik-Tok generation? “if you didn’t see it, it didn’t happen”
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 22:21 utc | 635
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Worse, with commercially available AI now producing convincing video on demand output, they can’t even completely trust what they see second hand either. This is scares me more for the coming years than ‘pics or it didn’t happen’ mentality.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 16 2025 22:58 utc | 676

Rest assured that there is, and he/she/they are already there. What we are witnessing here is frequently as much the deed (again) as the screams of torment emanating from deep down. This personality is like an eggshell covering a black hole. All we can do is to offer a modicum of cameraderie and safeguard against trangressions by pointing them out. I count on LoveD having some awareness of this, as I can see the hard work they’ve been putting in to live with rejection. And – there I’ll say it – I have an honest respect for this.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 16 2025 22:36 utc | 652
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And I have not just honest respect for this masterpiece of passive-aggressive condescension, but true admiration. How do you do that?
LD is a treasure trove of contradictions. One wants to like her, but then she posts an imperious screed, coming across like a gum-snapping precocious 15-year-old.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 16 2025 22:59 utc | 677

Nobody in their right mind would expect an entire city to “evacuate”. Asking them to do so is just offering you the dishonesty of being able to say “I told them to leave but they didn’t”.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jun 16 2025 23:00 utc | 678

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:55 utc | 676
THIRD attempt, if you follow that interpretation. Which I find arguable but also doubtful.
The congress shitshow with the bison-horned whitey cunt in faacepaint, does indeed count.
But hey, internal US bullshit is not my business, if they want to become a Quaker country or some shit that’s their own goddam problem, not mine.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 16 2025 23:01 utc | 679

LD is a treasure trove of contradictions. One wants to like her, but then she posts an imperious screed, coming across like a gum-snapping precocious 15-year-old.
Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 16 2025 22:59 utc | 680
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This may be because, as someone posited awhile ago, LD is actually two people. One of them posts useful content and the other posts the obnoxious fluff.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 16 2025 23:01 utc | 680

What will the Chinese do if the USA pounds Iran?

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jun 16 2025 23:03 utc | 681

reply to 628
I did wonder if Iran could create missiles that ‘catch’ and reproduce any radar signal directed at them during descent. Either it could be transmitted delayed/out of phase or jettisoned out to divert anti missile defense. An alternative to hypersonics

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 16 2025 23:04 utc | 682

@ Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jun 16 2025 23:03 utc | 684
Twiddle their thumbs. They don’t want a war.

Posted by: fnord | Jun 16 2025 23:06 utc | 683

Nobody in their right mind would expect an entire city to “evacuate”. Asking them to do so is just offering you the dishonesty of being able to say “I told them to leave but they didn’t”.
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jun 16 2025 23:00 utc | 681
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Especially in, what was it, two days? Imagine the terror. Imagine emptying hospitals of ICU patients.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 16 2025 23:06 utc | 684

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 22:26 utc | 643–
Thanks for your reply. Not as much study has been done into Xi Jinping, but IMO he’s very similar to Putin. I’ve translated and published his major speeches and have wanted to get some of his books seeing how the Chinese are placing so much importance on Xi Jinping Thought. Some of the recent academic papers on China’s political-economy were very illuminating. I have one in the queue that I’ll provide once this new war’s novelty wears thin. There’re some younger members on Team Putin that have presidential capabilities; however, IMO we’ll need to wait until 2028 to see who wants to replace him. And those three years will be long and eclipse Trump’s final term.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 23:06 utc | 685

This may be because, as someone posited awhile ago, LD is actually two people. One of them posts useful content and the other posts the obnoxious fluff.
Posted by: Jane | Jun 16 2025 23:01 utc | 683
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I’ve considered three shifts 🙂

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 16 2025 23:08 utc | 686

What I don’t get is, why are other Muslim nations just sitting on their asses doing nothing? No one says they have to attack Israel or American troops. Just refuse to allow them to use your airspace or boycott Israeli companies. How hard is that to do?

Posted by: bored | Jun 16 2025 23:08 utc | 687

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 16 2025 22:42 utc | 660
The nations which want to mitigate American tariffs, including China and KSA, aren’t going to hop onto some kind of embargo bandwagon. By the same vein, if China felt confident enough to attack American bases they’d just do it.
The odds are just as good that most countries would “condemn” a nuclear strike from Israel against Iran. But losing diplomatic support could really hurt Israel financially, and the temptation to coup a Netanyahu government would reach a crescendo.

I think it’s truly pointless to talk forever about nuclear warfare but here I can pin it down to two simple options:
Assume the USA (perhaps through Israel) drop a nuclear weapon on Iran. What would happen:
1. Not much. [TCMM]
2. A lot. [Konami]
Hopefully we’ll never have to find out. I cannot image a world where China, India and everyone else trades/deals with the USA as if nothing happened. But I’ve been wrong on geopolitics before.
And the argument “if China felt confident enough to attack American bases they’d just do it” is logically wrong. It makes a very Western assumption that *empirically* does not apply to China: we cannot know the future but we have history. China has been a major power for a long time; that means high potential for opportunistic attacks. There have been some in the past but it is truly Western logic to say: you can strike now —> you must strike now.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 23:09 utc | 688

The ‘Jooos’ thing is interesting. Hasbarats use that a lot. I rememeber first encountering it on gatekeeper Phil Weiss’ site Mondoweiss back in the day. Phil’s comment board was great until Jeff Blankfort and Gilad Atzmon went a little too far. They were banned along with a one Mr Richard Witty.
Chris Moore used to post there although now he spends most of his time over at Unz and Alethonews. He came up with Judeofacism to counter the Islamofacism narrative. Moore was banned as well. But then he’s nuts, so who cares.
Anyhoo, I wonder if Putin will add Nakba denial laws to the holocaust denial laws he put on the books in Russia.
I won’t hold my breath.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 16 2025 23:09 utc | 689

So the USA got its the second color revolution attempt after BLM, both sponsored by the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 22:55 utc | 676
You would think that I would support this perspective, but no. NoKings wasn’t remotely as organized as Maidan, or even Tahrir Square. One could easily say it had less legitimacy than the average Gay Pride Parade.
What was interesting was the military parade being more of a history festival than anything. I haven’t seen parade soldiers marching in fatigues, mostly without weapons, and with less than a strict tempo. But then you would think no one even showed up if you watched the corporat media:
https://www.youtube.com/live/Gf51wXeDl3E?feature=shared

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 16 2025 23:09 utc | 690

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 16 2025 22:53 utc | 672
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Every aspect of Chinese society is guided by Confucianism.
People from the West rarely factor that into analysis.
Russia doesn’t launch a nuke because Russians are scared. Iran hasn’t built a nuke because it cannot. China doesn’t take direct military action (and hasn’t since Korea).
China, Russia, and Iran will almost never do what America or Britain would in geopolitics.
Each of these cultures is, for lack of a better analogy, watching different movies than Westerners. Their perception of reality is different, hence different results.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 23:10 utc | 691

Iranian Jewish Leaders Urge ‘Daily Missile Salvos’ Against Israel
https://x.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1934665375142289556
“Don’t let the US-Israel use ‘Holocaust’ or claims Iran wants to ‘Kill All Jews’ to justify a war of aggression on Iran. The largest population of Jews in the Middle East outside of Israel is in Iran..”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 16 2025 23:11 utc | 692

“What I don’t get is, why are other Muslim nations just sitting on their asses doing nothing? No one says they have to attack Israel or American troops. Just refuse to allow them to use your airspace or boycott Israeli companies. How hard is that to do?”
They are all ruled by stooges of Empire, and are effectively buffer states for the zionist entity.

Posted by: RP | Jun 16 2025 23:12 utc | 693

Posted by: fnord | Jun 16 2025 23:06 utc | 686
Does China have the luxury of losing Iran’s oil?
Does the emerging multipolar world have the capacity to lose one of its major members to the Empire and still retain trust?

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Jun 16 2025 23:15 utc | 694

First time posting here.
This in reference to the “David Attenborough” YouTube videos on Israel/Iran which were brought up in a previous thread (“Tic-Toc” thread 1), like this one.
It’ll be immediately obvious to all but the feeble-minded that these are all AI-generated, and that the purported narrator would never have given his approval for any of these. (The videos are all ven tagged with “Altered or synthetic content: Sound or visuals were significantly edited or digitally generated.”) This throws the actual origin of these videos into extreme doubt: just who is “BM Motivation”, the owner of the YouTube channel, anyhow? (One guesses from the other connotations of that very name that they’re not Western at all.)
Having said all this, I must also say first that I totally agree with the content of these videos; they’re astonishingly anti-Israeli and pro-Iranian. And secondly that whatever their origin, they’re extremely well-written, in very idiomatic (if a bit flowery) English.
My Theory®™ is that these are actually the creation of an Iranian psyop. Mind you, it’s only a theory, without much evidence to support it. But if true this is quite remarkable, that they’ve been able to put these together and get them to stick on the YouTube “platform”. Just viewed from the POV of production values, they’re excellent.
Looking at the comments I get the feeling that most? at least many of them are from total sockpuppets. They’re (almost) all in English, and many of them contain the obsequious “Great video, sir” constructs so often seen from south Asian commentors. Again, no evidence but I have a sneaking suspicion. Although there are a few commentors who point out that the content is AI-generated.
Overall, though, so what? What’s the value of this propaganda? My guess is pretty close to zero; in other words, about the same as the purported “Russia! Russia! Russia!” “disinformation” campaign supposedly carried out on Facebook, et al, which in my book had nearly no influence on the 2016 election.
Whatever. If my theory is true I think the upshot is that it shows some cultural savvy on the part of the Iranians. Whether ops like this would make any difference is debatable.
I also wonder if the purported author and narrator of these videos might take legal action against the AI creators.
Interested to hear what other barflies think of this.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Jun 16 2025 23:16 utc | 695

Dozens of US warplanes are on their way to the Middle East

flight tracker
https://x.com/SprinterObserve/status/1934751639262413082

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 23:17 utc | 696

Jesus poledancing Christ, the psychopathic audacity
“I would disembowel you if I could, so anybody else would, too”
-No, sorry, you’re just a goddamn psychopath, and everybody else would be well-advised to neuter you and your scarce ilk in all ways available, for the rabid animal you are.
Ruthlessness != sadism

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 16 2025 23:19 utc | 697

“Hey, I’ve got a great idea!”
“What?”
“Let’s set up a nation-state– Israel– in the last place on the planet that ‘the perscuted/the chosen’ should live!”
“What a great idea! That way, our ‘chosen’ behavior can upset the surrounds and create yet more conditions for persecution!”
“Perpetual victimhood!”
“High-five!”

Posted by: Strange Bedfellow | Jun 16 2025 23:21 utc | 698

Yemen will not remain silent if Trump intervenes with Israel against Iran…
We will close the Red Sea in front of America again, and we will bomb ALL nearby American military bases.
Yemenis are ready for war.

https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1934752180407505104

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 23:22 utc | 699

@ Lathe Biosas | Jun 16 2025 23:00 utc | 681
recall israel telling large urban areas of gaza to evacuate?? now they are telling iranians to evacuate from tehran… notice a pattern??
as for trumps commentary… i think there is some sort of mental health breakdown in him and we are going to see more of it moving forward this year – i am starting the year from his birthdate 2 days ago… watch.. he might have to step down.. mind you, biden should have but he never did… have to maintain the hollywood front which the usa excels at..

Posted by: james | Jun 16 2025 23:24 utc | 700

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