Tic-Toc Thread On The War On Iran – 2

June 16, 2025

Machine translated from Hebrew:

Yossi Melman @yossi_melman – 5:50 UTC · Jun 15, 2025

The euphoria was brief. On Friday morning, I asked if it was even necessary to start a war with the Iranians. Shiites are historically willing to suffer. I mentioned their willingness to sacrifice as demonstrated in the 8 years of attrition with Iraq. I recommend that we cut our losses. Ask Trump to stop the scramble for a reasonable agreement. Otherwise, we’ll end up begging for a cease-fire and Iran will refuse.

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Yossi Melman @yossi_melman – 6:22 UTC · Jun 16, 2025

There is no one to stop the madness. Ariel Kahana, political commentator for Israel Hayom, writes about Israel’s response plan to attack population centers: The IDF will announce in the coming hours an evacuation order for neighborhoods in Tehran. After that, the air force will bring down buildings, similar to what Israel did in Beirut.

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Nobody should, and few here do. But you can say precisely what they are and what they do without dehumanisation.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 18:23 utc | 399
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They don’t behave like humans, so why should I treat them as humans?
You have 2 dogs. One has advanced rabies. Do you treat them the same?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 18:27 utc | 401

see the 2:14 video at the first link
https://x.com/rcbregman/status/1934414913033633830
Rutger Bregman @rcbregman
Absolutely incredible footage from today, the biggest protest of the 21st century in The Netherlands.
150,000 people in The Hague to protest against the genocide in Palestine.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 16 2025 18:29 utc | 402

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:55 utc | 379
Everyone, the izzies too, did know that conventional bombs, even moabs won’t be able to really damage Iran nuclear facilities.
The 12ton can have a chance but only US and their planes can use them.
So the question is, what the fuck are the izzies really doing?

Posted by: Mario | Jun 16 2025 18:35 utc | 403

Zelensky even said today that he thought Ukraine would lose Odessa. He’s the loneliest man in the world at the moment.
Posted by: George | Jun 16 2025 10:36 utc | 16

Poor Zely. Perhaps he should go out dressed in civilian and talk to the people of Kiev like the Kings of yore. But then, he’d risk being kidnapped on every corner and sent to the front …

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 16 2025 18:36 utc | 404

Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 18:38 utc | 405

@Mario | Jun 16 2025 18:35 utc | 403

So the question is, what the fuck are the izzies really doing?

They were busy underestimating Iran, and overerconfident about themselves.
I say ‘were’ …

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 18:40 utc | 406

Hate is like cancer. It eats you up inside.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 18:38 utc | 405
This. 100%.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 18:40 utc | 407

Nima’s point to Larry was that the Zionists have never had any of their wars impact so hard on the lands they stole and suffered high casualties unable to be hidden by the regime. And it will worsen for the Zionists as their AD systems will eventually go quiet for lack of ammo, which is when the non-stop parade of drones will begin punctuated by missile strikes, perhaps beginning as soon as Thursday. Iran, Russia, China, and perhaps Pakistan and India outside of the West will know from their ISR assets how the actual war is going.
Those having a map standing by in a tab will see just how far Tehran is from the border with Iraq and understand that if Iranian AD is functional and being reinforced, that it will be very difficult to reach without getting shot at if not shot down. Yes, Iran is a large nation which makes AD harder to provide unless you have hundreds of mobile launchers that can be deployed in a good, layered grid. Unknown is from what direction will the Outlaw US Empire attack–will it come from the East or the West; obviously both directions need to be defended. Another unknown question: Does Iran have missile assets capable of reaching Diego Garcia or Cyprus? IMO, Iranians have had decades to look at all the possibilities, and I’m sure the Empire has watched what Iran has done in its southeastern regions facing its Diego Garcia base.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 18:45 utc | 408

They were busy underestimating Iran, and overerconfident about themselves.
I say ‘were’ …
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 18:40 utc | 406

Bibi’s plan:
1. Launch unprovoked attack on Iran
2. Await massive retaliation
3. Repeat 1. and 2.
4. Run screaming like a cry bully for Trump to bail out my sorry ass.
TBH it seems to be working…

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 18:45 utc | 409

speculations of an EMP attack on the United states
Unz Review
https://www.unz.com/article/an-emp-attack-on-the-u-s-power-grids-and-critical-national-infrastructure/

Posted by: ld | Jun 16 2025 18:47 utc | 410

Statements by Iranian President Pezeshkian:
▪️Iran’s return to negotiations with the United States is only possible if Israel stops its attacks against countries in the region;
▪️If the US wants to resume negotiations with Iran, it must force Israel to stop aggression;
▪️Tehran will be forced to respond more harshly if the US does not stop Israel.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/155985

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 18:48 utc | 411

https://x.com/IranMilitary__/status/1934670032904331570

Posted by: dodo | Jun 16 2025 18:48 utc | 412

Facing reality is not “hate”. Claiming that it is is a threadbare tactic.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 16 2025 18:49 utc | 413

now israel is going to have their “prime minister”, that warcriminal childmurder and nazi named bibi, be interviewd by some “opposition” iranian media.
and they are also already spreading some “iranian” media about why its good to regime change iran.
as pathetic as the ukronazis. and the british. especially the british.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 16 2025 18:49 utc | 414

Hate is like cancer. It eats you up inside.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 18:38 utc | 405
Israel Zionism = Prime example

Posted by: ld | Jun 16 2025 18:49 utc | 415

So the IDF bombed the civilian radio and tv center in Tehran killing 18 innocent journalists, just like NATO bombed the Serbian civilian radio and tv center in Belgrade in 1999.
These are both war crimes. The IDF has already targeted and murdered 152 journalists in Gaza, and are now doing the same thing Tehran.
Hope the ICC is tracking these war crimes very carefully.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 16 2025 18:57 utc | 416

ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 18:45 utc | 409–
The current consensus which I agree with is the goal for the Outlaw US Empire is regime change in ALL opposing nations, including Russia and China. The reviews done today by both Johnson and Crooke provide the evidence. The primary motive going back to 1991 is regime change, beginning with Yugoslavia; hell, before that it was Castro and Cuba. Larry dug into the past to also mention Panama, but he omitted Chile, Indonesia, and a host of African nations. I’d include the Lawfare aimed at Lula too. The past tells what’s happening in the present.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 18:58 utc | 417

British tanker planes begin refuelling Israeli strike aircraft.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131625

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jun 16 2025 19:00 utc | 418

Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 18:48 utc | 411–
It appears that Pezeshkian has failed to learn the lesson that was just taught.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 19:01 utc | 419

On the 16th, Iran publicly hanged a Mossad spy.
https://i.imgur.com/BbZC6sA.jpeg

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 16 2025 19:02 utc | 420

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 18:48 utc | 411
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Pezeshkian is a cuck, but this is the game. The Israelis cannot back down. This is what Sinwar exploited. The Israelis don’t have an off switch.
If the Zionists stop, Israel is lost. If the Zionists don’t stop, Israel loses.
Parfait.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 19:05 utc | 421

I Ching for Iran
Yin
Yang
Yin
Yang
Yang
Yang
The present is embodied in Hexagram 5 – Hsu (Waiting): With sincerity, there will be brilliant success. With firmness there will be good fortune, and it will be advantageous to cross the great stream.
There are no changing lines, and hence the situation is expected to remain the same in the immediate future.
The things most apparent, those above and in front, are embodied by the upper trigram K’an (Water), which represents danger and the unknown.
The things least apparent, those below and behind, are embodied by the lower trigram Chi’en (Heaven), which represents strength and creativity

Posted by: Die Niemands… | Jun 16 2025 19:06 utc | 422

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 16 2025 17:34 utc | 365
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Is that real from Sanders? If so that actually might be the first helpful things he’s publicly stated in a while, but it’s going to take lots more voices to stop this ball from rolling, but maybe it gives cover to a few more to speak the same.
” Netanyahu: “I understand America First. I don’t understand America dead… It’s a battle of good against evil.” https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42819
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:38 utc | 367
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If he understood America First at all, he would know comments like his are more likely to piss them off then rally them to his cause, besides real AF have long tired of Netanyahu shtick.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 16 2025 19:07 utc | 423

Posted by: Roger Milbrandt | Jun 16 2025 19:07 utc | 424

@karlof1 – This has been going of for a LONG time. To ask if half-measures are enough to stop it is a fair question that must be answered and there is a bit of a hurry. It may be a good idea for BRICS nations to establish a military framework. Every one of the empire’s loose threads must be pulled on, non-stop, everywhere.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 16 2025 19:08 utc | 425

I’m very afraid that we’ll have a false flag terror attack in Europe or the US. The Zio-pigs are desperate. Nazi swine Bibi feels the noose tightening around his neck.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 19:09 utc | 426

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 19:09 utc | 426
Possible but then?
US, probably, are going to help Israel anyway, expecially if he’s going to loose.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 16 2025 19:11 utc | 427

It appears that Pezeshkian has failed to learn the lesson that was just taught.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 19:01 utc | 419
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Like all leaders, he’s playing a role. He speaks to and for the liberal urban elite. He doesn’t speak for the families of the scientists or the aerospace forces.
It’s his job to remind everyone that a diplomatic path can be chosen. The IRGC has been dying to be let off the leash, and now they are. Supposedly, Pezeshkian vetoed TP3 last year.
Israel thought Iran was weak. America thought Yemen was weak. Both have found out how wrong they were.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 19:13 utc | 428

Hope the ICC is tracking these war crimes very carefully.
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 16 2025 18:57 utc | 416
Are you serious ?

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 16 2025 19:13 utc | 429

I know isn’t going to happen but maybe that, if US attacks from Diego Garcia Pakistan can have a say on the route of bombers to Iran.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 16 2025 19:14 utc | 430

Facing reality is not “hate”. Claiming that it is is a threadbare tactic.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 16 2025 18:49 utc | 413
He wrote:
“They don’t behave like humans, so why should I treat them as humans?
You have 2 dogs. One has advanced rabies. Do you treat them the same?”
What has this to do with “facing reality”? But feel free “to hate” as much as you want.

Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 19:15 utc | 431

Some seem to think Iran should react to Israeli’s mass murder of Iranian civilians with their own mass murder of civilians.
But, what Iran really needs is a large number of LIVING Israeli civilians without electricity, heat and gasoline or even shelter whining and screaming at Netanyahu.
Killing civilians promotes vindictiveness against the enemy. Inconvenience and distress among civilians promotes resentment and maybe even vindictiveness against the local government.
Posted by: Roger Milbrandt | Jun 16 2025 19:07 utc | 424
When 80-90% of Israelis support the genocide you’ll have to draw the line somewhere. Giving them a taste of their own medicine is how you bring them back to their senses. Not sit around and sing kumbaiya, which would lead them to think they can keep doing this indefinitely without costs.

Posted by: V | Jun 16 2025 19:16 utc | 432

“US, probably, are going to help Israel anyway, expecially if he’s going to loose.”
Posted by: Mario
It depends on how he loses.
It’s like a wrestling match. Iran has to bring Israel to the ground, so to speak, without injuring it too seriously. And then, when Israel is lying helpless on the ground, Iran has to say: “Stop this madness! Finally become a normal country like all the others.”

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 19:16 utc | 433

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1934661619126083950
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with an ICC arrest warrant for his war crimes, said “Assassinating (Sayyed Ali) Khamenei can end the escalation. Israel will do whatever necessary.”
He doesn’t realise it is like assassinating the Pope.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/151907
DD Geopolitics
💥🇮🇷 Israel knows nearly every Western leader will echo the line, “Israel has the right to defend itself”—so it openly publishes war crimes, like the strike on Iran’s state broadcasting headquarters in Tehran.
This is the standard U.S. playbook. They did the same in Serbia, Libya, and elsewhere: bomb state media to silence internal communication, then target state institutions to force privatization and collapse national control.
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1934690584301850998
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
There would be hundreds of Shahed & other Iranian drones flying over Tel Aviv if Iraq, Jordan & Syria were not just Israeli defense system layers.
Most of the interception work is done over these countries by US/UK/France & even Israeli Air forces.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 16 2025 19:16 utc | 434

Tucker joins Bannon. Both denounce US involvement in this war

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 16 2025 19:17 utc | 435

“If Netanyahu is indeed in Greece then why haven’t the Greek authorities arrested him as required by the ICC arrest warrant?”
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jun 16 2025 17:25 utc
that and $4.25 will get you a cuppa at Starbucks.
Were there a vengeful God, anyone uttering the word “justice” in this country would catch a bolt.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Jun 16 2025 19:18 utc | 436

The past tells what’s happening in the present.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 18:58 utc | 417

Don’t forget Mossadegh in 1953.
I’m sure Iranians know.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 19:18 utc | 437

NoName @405: ”Hate is like cancer. It eats you up inside.”
It is not an issue of hate. The dog with rabies metaphor is very valid. Some mind diseases are just too severe to cure. The most humane thing to do is put them down. After WWII, the Soviets thought they could cure the Nazis on their territory, but look at the Ukraine today. The Soviets’ cure might have worked given a few more generations, but obviously it is a long-term process that involves containing the diseased until they die off naturally. Even then, the disease only ends in death.
See the movie “Old Yeller” from Disney back before they started to suck hard. It isn’t about hate.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 16 2025 19:18 utc | 438

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 19:16 utc | 433
Would a false flag change anything?

Posted by: Mario | Jun 16 2025 19:19 utc | 439

It appears that Pezeshkian has failed to learn the lesson that was just taught.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 19:01 utc | 419
Not sure I understand that take. It looks to me like Pezeshkian has kicked things back into the lap of the Trump admin, exacerbating the confrontation between the MAGA cohort and the embedded Deep State neocons/Zionists/Raptural Accelerationists, making it clear it’s their decision now, about where everyone goes from here; either rein Netanyahu in or forget about any negotiations, we go all in.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 19:20 utc | 440

British tanker planes begin refuelling Israeli strike aircraft.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131625
Posted by: Siddhartha | Jun 16 2025 19:00 utc | 418
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The Haifa refinery got hit. Likely the US and UK will now be fueling the IAF coming and going, sourcing the jet fuel in Spain and Italy. Considering the fueling mission has now doubled (coming and going), and they have to fly to Italy to take on fuel, you need a lot of refuelers. Israel is in trouble, and they don’t have an off-ramp. Either they show Trump some Epstein videos and get him to bomb the missile sites in Eastern Iran, or they go full talmud psyco and use nukes.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 16 2025 19:21 utc | 441

Posted by: Mario | Jun 16 2025 19:19 utc | 439
I was also wondering about that

Posted by: Macpott | Jun 16 2025 19:21 utc | 442

“Would a false flag change anything?”
Posted by: Mario
I don’t know. Like I said, they’re desperate and we know that they will not shy away from any crime. They will try everything.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 19:22 utc | 443

Not sure if this was posted earlier, apologies if so.
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Israel’s Euphoria Evaporates: The Iranian Response Has Just Begun
The Israeli commentariat is finally waking up from the delusional euphoria of “total domination.” Even Yossi Melman, Israel’s own veteran security analyst, rightfully questions if the war machine should’ve ever been started.
“The Shiites are historically willing to suffer,” Melman wrote, invoking the ghost of the Iran-Iraq War, a brutal 8-year meat grinder that Tehran endured without flinching.
And he’s right.
You’re not fighting an enemy obsessed with life and selfies. You’re confronting a civilization built on martyrdom, memory, and mission. The West still doesn’t get this. Iran’s response isn’t some reactive tantrum, it’s strategic attrition wrapped in spiritual calculus.
This calculated response to Israel’s sucidial act of madness and desepration isn’t some rogue missile spree. This was calibrated, cascading, multi-front retaliation with a chilling message: we can take pain far longer than you can manage headlines. Iran has this gamed out.
From Tel Aviv to Haifa, Iran has inflicted deveastating damage to key power and military infrastructure, and Iran is prepared for a very long war. Sirens will continue to wail, Bunker life will become the new norm for Israelis and their elites.
Melman warns: cut your losses and beg Trump to negotiate a ceasefire… because once Iran locks eyes with divine endurance, it doesn’t blink. It bleeds, recalibrates, and strikes again until the death cult is grinded down up until the point of collapse at which point it will stop, and let Israel finish that job all on its own.
Tehran’s message is clear: we’ve survived Pharaohs, Crusaders, and Empires. We’ll survive this too, will you?
– Gerry Nolan

Posted by: ToB | Jun 16 2025 19:23 utc | 444

I’ll be succinct because it’s very boring arguing in an endless tic tac that goes to anywhere.
Please, let me make a medicine analogy. The millions of American workers, without a public health care, will understand it.
The Pax Americana is dying. It’s a fact.
Between the most skilled doctors there are not agreement about the causes. Genetic? Environmental?
But, all concurr that the patient is sick and his days of vigor are fading away. The prognosis is bad, and a possible treatment requires discipline and a total change of modus vivendi.
The patient had a real family (the American people) , but he lost it for whatever reasons. Now, has a putative family (the American Corporations), who are expecting to heiring the money and the houses, the lands and the business… But, without the patient’s impetus, they are running out about who is going to manage the House.
Now, some other gargantuans (China, India) has become the most important powers in the next years, and the only thing that this putative “family” has to do is, by impotence, making a chaos in ME, hoping, by kinetic conflict, obstruct the chain of blood (oil) to them.
BTW, there’s no possibility of nuclear impacts, neither tactical nor strategic because the first who do it, it’s done. There are some tacid compromises between the instruments of the families.
LOL

Posted by: Harsh | Jun 16 2025 19:24 utc | 445

Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 19:24 utc | 446

“Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather
the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with
us. And I can assure you that that this will happen before Israel goes
under.
We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch
them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European
capitals are targets of our air force.”
–Martin Van Crevel, Israeli historian

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 19:29 utc | 447

Sure I saw a video of Haifa going dark a couple of nights ago. No idea of whether it stayed dark, or was repaired. I’m sure a grid repair would have been enough to bring in electricity from elsewhere, the following day or whatever.
Posted by: laguerre | Jun 16 2025 17:20 utc | 356

Posted by: JackG | Jun 16 2025 19:30 utc | 448

“He doesn’t realise it is like assassinating the Pope. ”
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That’s mistaken, he absolutely does realize it.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 16 2025 19:31 utc | 449

Roger Milbandt@1807
Good thinking. Yes, let them FEEL the same kinda thirst like they’ve done to Gaza. Then the Hunger. Then food spoiling in their refrigerators and freezers as they quake and quiver in the dark. But no need to kill the Izzies…Something like 80% of them have cheered on the genocide…AND all the suffering.
Oh well, at least they get free medical care thanks to American taxpayers. Wishing we could have that.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 16 2025 19:32 utc | 450

It appears that Pezeshkian has failed to learn the lesson that was just taught.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 19:01 utc | 419
I always thought pezeshkian was their guy. The regime change didn’t start now. Started when they took out raisi and Abdollahian. They did everything they could to get pezeshkian into power,never complained when he won. True promise 1 and true promise 2 pezeshkian tried to do everything he could to stop or tone down the attacks. The guy is more Azerbaijan than Iranian. Azerbaijan is Isreali puppet state. Not surprised with pezeshkian actions.

Posted by: Feck | Jun 16 2025 19:34 utc | 451

Seriously, take an ample point of view.
We know nothing.
Thinking that the professionals are idiots is arrogance.
Learn, but be quiet. Do not be a fool for a false ego.
For yourself.

Posted by: Harsh | Jun 16 2025 19:38 utc | 452

They don’t behave like humans, so why should I treat them as humans?
You have 2 dogs. One has advanced rabies. Do you treat them the same?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 18:27 utc | 401
Hate is like cancer. It eats you up inside.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 18:38 utc | 405
Enough with the moral bullshit. How’s about Hitler? Is it ok to hate him or does your unearthly moral code say we should treat him as a fellow human. Reality: your detached attitude is a luxury. Spend a week in Gaza and you’ll learn who to hate.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 16 2025 19:38 utc | 453

NoName @446
Most people with disabilities are not vicious psychopathic mass murderers. Zionists, like Nazis, are. They are the hate filled cancer you referred to personified, and they cannot be cured. Death is the only release from their hate. Their fate is tragic, not something to be celebrated.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 16 2025 19:40 utc | 454

Stating the obvious. Israel is a nation of old fat soft people. They absolutely need air conditioning. They are a nation of high rises. They need elevators. They need the pumps to get the water upstairs. This is not optional.
The two largest power plants are out of action. The rest all totally vulnerable. In WW2 it took thousands of bombs to knock out a power plant. Now it is one bomb, one plant. How many to make that plant irreparable is an open question. With one meter accuracy it is a finite number.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 16 2025 19:42 utc | 455

Not sure I understand that take. It looks to me like Pezeshkian has kicked things back into the lap of the Trump admin, exacerbating the confrontation between the MAGA cohort and the embedded Deep State neocons/Zionists/Raptural Accelerationists, making it clear it’s their decision now, about where everyone goes from here; either rein Netanyahu in or forget about any negotiations, we go all in.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 19:20 utc | 440
This is the original political theater from the beginning. That Trump and MAGA were working against the “Deep state” or reining in Netanyahu or they were “pro-peace”. Pezeshkian’s negotiations went in with that basis, but all it did was blindside the Iranians and got 20 something top Iranian leaders killed. Here he is at it again.
Or maybe Pezeshkian’s doing his own political theatre with the enemy as some posters claim.

Posted by: V | Jun 16 2025 19:42 utc | 456

Some mind diseases are just too severe to cure. The most humane thing to do is put them down.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 16 2025 19:18 utc | 438
The Nazis thought that too.
They even had a program to get rid of people with with disabilities and mentally ill people. It was called “Aktion T4”.
With a mindset like that, where is the difference to a Zionist?
Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 19:24 utc | 446
At some point it’s about recognizing that it has nothing to do with hate but rather understanding that human evolution is driven by the same forces that drive evolution in al life: natural selection and competition for survival.

Posted by: krypton | Jun 16 2025 19:42 utc | 457

….These are both war crimes. The IDF has already targeted and murdered 152 journalists in Gaza, and are now doing the same thing Tehran.
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 16 2025 18:57 utc | 416
not to nit pick, T.C., but to clarify, as far as I know the last count was that there’s been at least 224 journalists killed in Gaza by the terrorist settler-colony.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 16 2025 19:43 utc | 458

“St. Petersburg 1917 and Tehran 1979 were real events. You are fake”
Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 15:28 utc | 211
Of course they were real events but they were in a major way supported by the anglosaxon empire
In St Petersburg a journalist followed the white army under General Yudenich and that journo confirmed that the british military who took part were obstructing the white army so much that one russian officer threatened the british at gun point to force them to fight.
The british tanks were so useless they ceased to work after 400m. The french tanks were better. The british said that tanks were only meant to frighten the enemy from far away and that they were not meant to take part in battles at the front.
The equipment that the british provided to the white forces generally failed. The cartridges/bullits didnt fit in the guns.
They needed tape to wind around the bullets but the british provided an unsuitable tape. The british also sent airplanes but the propellers didnt fit. The shells for the cannons didnt have any charges so the shells just bumped of the trains they were firing against.
The different groups of the white armies were treated differently depending om whether or not they had ammunition left.
If they lacked ammunition and really needed replacements the transports were delayed. While if they had plenty of ammunition more would soon be sent to them.
That journalist wrote a book about it titled something like the dome of one particular church. I have the text in russian but I am too lazy to look for it. He wasnt an admirer of the bolsheviks and eventually fled abroad.
You might ask: Am I claiming that all the british obstructed the white armies and never fought the bolsheviks.
I think the US/UK had 500 casualties among 18000. That information is in G G Preparats book Conjuring Hitler from 2005
but I dont think Britain had more than 1500 men. Canada had 4000 but never took part in the fighting.
Britain did have over 50000 but mostly in the navy I presume.
At one point the British navy did bombard a fort where the reds were but that happened because those bolsheviks were going to change sides.
The americans under Graves did fight and were warmly thanked by the bolsheviks ‘for having saved their movement in a difficult moment’. The NYT reported it in 1920 and the fight was against the Japanese invaders who attempted to take over the Transsibirian railway. Apparently Graves forces successfully prevented that.
Regarding the Iranian revolution I recommend the book Hostage for Khomeini by Robert Dreyfuss from 1981. There are several interesting pieces of information there. For example he mentions that the US was actually behind the occupation of the embassy in Teheran. The reason being that the US needed an excuse to intervene in order to make the europeans understand that the US could carry out a threat to switch off the supply of oil if the Europeans continued with the financial instrument by which they intended to let the poor countries develop.
But be aware that Larouche and associates were later put in prison for economic reasons and I believe they may have been threatened to be suited for defamation of one particular iranian partner to the americans so later they may have had to lay low about these events. Dreyfuss may later have had to avoid that subject in order not to do damage to Larouche et al.
Back to the Bolsheviks again. Lenin stayed in London and so did several other revolutionaries. Officially Britain usually pretended that they were so liberal that they wouldnt prevent revolutionaries and anarchists of all colours. But in reality Britain was the mover and shaker behind all sorts of unrest.
They didnt aid revolutionaries out of idealism but because they used them to weaken the targeted nations.
Tsar Russia and the US had plans to organise infrastructure to tie the north american and asian continents by building a bridge over the Behring’s straite.
Such ideas contributed to Russias selling of Alaska since they thought Russia and the US would resist the British empire together.
Apparently the sum was more about paying for the russian navy’s help to Lincoln during the US civil war.
The above mentioned plans was still in the cards as late as 1906. During some decisive years both US presidents and Russian Tsars and industrial reformers were assassinated and the suspicions definitely go to the British.
Tsar Russia was rapidly industrialising
They had to be stopped before the British navy would no longer be able to prevent it. King Edward VII threatened the Rothschilds who divested from Russia in 1907.
Just to pick one example of what was going on and the importance of seeing it as a sequence of connected events during a pivotal era.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 16 2025 19:47 utc | 459

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 19:20 utc | 440
The aim of the Iranian government is simply to survive. Berletic anticipated this posture and he has again been proven right. The issue is that neither Israel nor the US really care about the nuclear program; they want regime change. Iran must know this.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 19:48 utc | 460

This guy, LD, has one intention: make this forum unreliable.
When you read that MoA is unreliable is because these 24/7 shills are spamming the forum with the intention of make this site seems like a mess.

Posted by: Harsh | Jun 16 2025 19:48 utc | 461

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 16 2025 15:48 utc | 233
>>>
Green, a Mossad undercovered spy in Brazil claiming to be a journalist. Go figure.

Posted by: pepe | Jun 16 2025 19:49 utc | 462

Posted by: Afro | Jun 16 2025 15:55 utc | 245
>>>
Humanitarian aid most likely but possibly fake by you know who.

Posted by: pepe | Jun 16 2025 19:51 utc | 463

Canada’s PM Mark ‘Goldman-Sachs’ Carney Brownoses US President Donald ‘Golden Dome’ Trump @ G7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZD72iZlyHI
“They should talk immediately before it’s too late.” Trump at G7 on the Israel-Iran war.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 16 2025 19:51 utc | 464

petergrfstrm | Jun 16 2025 19:47 utc | 459
And, you, are the same idiot who try to spam the thread with a word wall.
To charge the bar…

Posted by: Harsh | Jun 16 2025 19:52 utc | 465

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1934683204302012858
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
Iran sent a warning to the Israeli to evacuate their homes and shelters this evening if they want to survive. This is the same pattern Israel is imposing on Tehran and imposed previously on Gaza and Lebanon.
https://x.com/ComicDaveSmith/status/1934640528433291577
Dave Smith @ComicDaveSmith
Don’t worry guys. I have it on good authority, from all of the people who sold the war in Iraq, that Iran was developing WMD’s, the war will be a cakewalk and we will be greeted as liberators. I haven’t yet heard that it will be paid for in oil but I’m sure that’s all right.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/155974
Z and V
‼️🇺🇸🏁🇬🇧🇪🇺👉🇮🇷 But the entire West and Israel will be surprised, outraged, and will call the Iranian leadership the filthiest curses if Iran makes a statement that Iran does not rule out a scenario in which it tries to kill Netanyahu.
🇮🇱🏴‍☠️👉🇮🇷 Israel does not rule out a scenario in which it will attempt to kill Iran’s Supreme Leader Khamenei, Netanyahu said.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 16 2025 19:53 utc | 466

Posted by: Mario / Apollyon @ 443

“Would a false flag change anything?”

Was listening to Garland Nixon, half joking he was saying that in current times if the USA is serious about war it pulls out its carriers not sends them in. Thinking about the three carriers being sent, two USA and the Prince of Wales, I’m now wondering if the Prince of Wales is the false flag for USA/NATO Golden Billion involvement? Hit it with a missile or two, blame Iran.
Given the Prince of Wales is a stillborn floating derelict commissioned as a white elephant, the UK version of the Admiral Kuznetsov, it should be expendable. They don’t need to sink it, just some holes, some fire, some smoke, 100 dead and injured sailors, towed back to port with a lot of drama, and NATO’s all in.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 16 2025 19:54 utc | 467

Iran is consistently underlining a willingness for negotiation – but under their terms, virtually none of which are acceptable to Israel. However, Putin and Trump are consistently talking and more probably than not, Putin is in dialogue with Xie, Modi, and Zardari (Pakistan). Framework will be worked out among the aforemented prior to actual sitdown meeting; would not be surprised to see Netanyahu excluded (and left to his fate). Also, would not be surprised to see Ukriane and Gaza issues on the table as well. Israel has become a massive, world liability as a result of Netanyahu’s poorly considered actions.

Posted by: abierno | Jun 16 2025 19:57 utc | 468

At some point it’s about recognizing that it has nothing to do with hate but rather understanding that human evolution is driven by the same forces that drive evolution in al life: natural selection and competition for survival.
Posted by: krypton | Jun 16 2025 19:42 utc | 457
What I was thinking is that since human evolution is driven by the same evolutionary forces that drive all forms of living things throughout the universe, life evolves until it develops the means to destroy itself. Humans have reached that stage of “development” and it’s only a matter of time before the button is pushed. Maybe now will be our turn. Something similar probably happens throughout the universe on any planet where life evolves. Life destroys itself once it reaches a certain level of destructive capability.

Posted by: krypton | Jun 16 2025 19:58 utc | 469

The aircraft carrier USS Nemitz is scheduled to be decommissioned next year. It is an antique.
Just sayin’.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 16 2025 20:00 utc | 470

Enough with the moral bullshit. How’s about Hitler? Is it ok to hate him or does your unearthly moral code say we should treat him as a fellow human. Reality: your detached attitude is a luxury. Spend a week in Gaza and you’ll learn who to hate.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 16 2025 19:38 utc | 453
You probably think that I was judgmental when I wrote “Hate is like cancer. It eats you up inside.”. But I have no right to judge him nor have I an interest in doing so. Although sometimes most people have a time, when they judge others, like you are doing now me thinks.
I think there are some universal rules and one of them is this one which I wrote. I fully understand, that whatever happens to you, can have such a deep impact, that one person hates. This can happen absolutely to everyone. It doesn’t make that what I wrote invalid.

Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 20:00 utc | 471

459 – Sounds to me like an attempt to offload the military deficiencies of the Whites onto the British.
As to the mention of Larouche, if that is a reference to the late Lyndon LaRouche, he and his movement always struck me as being mysteriously well-funded lunatics.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 16 2025 20:03 utc | 472

@William Gruff | Jun 16 2025 20:00 utc | 470
So it is the perfect bait. It even cancels the demolition cost while starting WWIII.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 20:06 utc | 473

From DD Geopolitics:
“According to The Jerusalem Post, Donald Trump is expected to present Iran with a “final offer” on the nuclear issue, citing both U.S. and European officials.
One source mentioned the new proposal might be slightly more favorable to Iran than the previous one, which was reportedly delivered about a week and a half ago.
However, the paper stresses that any deal would still require Iran to completely abandon uranium enrichment.”
Source: https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/151918

Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 20:09 utc | 474

NoName | Jun 16 2025 20:00 utc 471
Nah. You are good. Why? Because you try to not make of the others a juzgamentual thing.
Do not judge, said the most rational speech.
Be quiet!
Be safe!

Posted by: Harsh | Jun 16 2025 20:11 utc | 475

Trump is not in a good position. If he joins the war against Iran in more than a proxy war he opens up the risk that in the event of territorial escalation USA becomes a legitimate target from Itan or those territories who are allied with Iran.
A submarine pops up off San Diego naval base and fires off a few s 2 s missiles. Wow. America has no defence on its mainland. It is only an aggressor. Trump will go down in history as the president who lost America

Posted by: Bingo | Jun 16 2025 20:12 utc | 476

OK, I realise this might be a minority view, but I haven’t seen anyone discussing the prospect of Pezeshkian becoming a kind of Iranian Putin, mild-mannered, seemingly compliant at first but gradually taking a more robust stance.
If the West see him as pliable, what evidence would we need to see that they have made yet another mistake?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 20:12 utc | 477

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 18:48 utc | 411
Statements by Iranian President Pezeshkian:
▪️Iran’s return to negotiations with the United States is only possible if Israel stops its attacks against countries in the region;
▪️If the US wants to resume negotiations with Iran, it must force Israel to stop aggression;
▪️Tehran will be forced to respond more harshly if the US does not stop Israel.
“>https://t.me/ZandVchannel/155985

This got negative reactions, including karlof’s “It appears that Pezeshkian has failed to learn the lesson that was just taught.”
I don’t see why: he’s doing a similar job to Lavrov in the other war. And I think it’s always a good idea to (pretend to) be willing to talk. Even from a purely utilitarian point if view, this may allow to exploit cracks among the opponent’s factions. But also on the surface level, statements like Pezeshkian’s signal to third parties that Iran has reasonable demands.
And what he writes there is nowhere selling out. He mentions preconditions before negotations with the US could perhaps be resumed. And they involve Gaza and Libanon.
Russians, Iranians, everyone knows that the West is not agreement-capable. It’s still good that Trump and Putin have phone calls, or that Iran lines out what it takes to talk again.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 20:13 utc | 478

I think there are some universal rules and one of them is this one which I wrote. I fully understand, that whatever happens to you, can have such a deep impact, that one person hates. This can happen absolutely to everyone. It doesn’t make that what I wrote invalid.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 20:00 utc | 471
Ok beautiful soul. Keep imagining you’re in some world of universal morality. In this world you have to fight for what’s right and that frequently involves hating what’s wrong. Anger is a vital energy!
Go practice your priestcraft on some neutered petty bourgeois in the west. It will be received better there.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 16 2025 20:13 utc | 479

abierno 468
I had similar idea and have brought it to the bar some time ago – about a new “Yalta 2.0” – kind of meeting , without Macrons, and others “would like to be big powers”, and make new borders on the world map.

Posted by: fanto | Jun 16 2025 20:14 utc | 480

Apparently, Iran has messed up the Israeli missile launch warning system, which is now giving out false information. Like yesterday, there were also reports of launches today, but then there were no arrivals or air defence operations. The missile attack took place several hours after the hack. Whether this pattern will continue today, we will see soon enough.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131651

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 20:16 utc | 481

Judgment is really like a tumor.
When your emotions are in discontrol, your cells are out of reproduction.
When we think wrong, our organism feels the impact.

Posted by: Harsh | Jun 16 2025 20:17 utc | 482

@William Gruff | Jun 16 2025 20:00 utc | 470
So it is the perfect bait. It even cancels the demolition cost while starting WWIII.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 20:06 utc | 473
If unrest is expected at a large protest, the plods quite often park-up one of their oldest, most clapped out paddy wagons out in front of the police lines.
It’s called a ‘bait van’ (or car).
It makes for great footage on the evening news when the protesters inevitably smash it up and optionally set it alight, more than enough to obscure the cause they were protesting.
Towing couple of hulk aircraft carriers into firing range of Iranian shore batteries is basically following the same template.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 20:18 utc | 483

What has this to do with “facing reality”? But feel free “to hate” as much as you want.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 19:15 utc | 431
Isreal has stepped so far past anything most humans would consider human that it is silly to defend it’s citizens as such. Zero hate. Hate requires alot of energy, I’m lazy when it comes to hate. Just a grass roots pov. Zero hate. I love that someone seems to have stood up to them finally.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jun 16 2025 20:19 utc | 484

The meek shall inherit nothing.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 16 2025 20:21 utc | 485

https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1934442821139751317
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
On this video you can see Israeli air defense systems’ missile bombing friendly targets on the ground.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 16 2025 17:17 utc | 352
I could be wrong but it looks like the 2 impacting missiles are
1. Left one intercepted but too close to matter
2. Right one, source of “cane” trail from ground up, AD, intercepted 1 but debris hits the ground

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 16 2025 20:23 utc | 486

Ok beautiful soul. Keep imagining you’re in some world of universal morality. In this world you have to fight for what’s right and that frequently involves hating what’s wrong. Anger is a vital energy!
Go practice your priestcraft on some neutered petty bourgeois in the west. It will be received better there.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 16 2025 20:13 utc | 479
Well “anger” is absolutely not the same as “hate”. Or is it for you?
Furthermore, I find your way of arguing childish. Therefore I stop any further communication with you. But I wish you a nice evening or whatever you have in your timezone.

Posted by: NoName | Jun 16 2025 20:25 utc | 487

Islamic Republic News Agency [updating]
https://en.irna.ir

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 16 2025 20:27 utc | 488

the paper stresses that any deal would still require Iran to completely abandon uranium enrichment.”
—-
So another unserious proposal.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 16 2025 20:30 utc | 489

The wrong thinking is the judgment of value like it would be perfect, of course. All the humans do judging all the time, but there’s some different feelings.
Every one is trying to be something better in his, her last years. I am too the same old fucking man who thinks that I can climb over.
Nah.
We are done, and the write on is the fall of the arrivals.

Posted by: Harsh | Jun 16 2025 20:30 utc | 490

Nima with Ted Postol
Paraphrasing: An F-25 is 100mn$ to buy, 500mn$ to operate.
(Izzies don’t pay that, natch).
However, it makes sense for the buyer to treat them a single use items, you can get five of them for the lifetime cost of keeping a single one operational.
Saner minds might think it better to shop elsewhere, but these days, markets are not free (if ever they were).

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 16 2025 20:31 utc | 491

Enough with the moral bullshit.

Enough?! I wish you were kidding.
Some people want to justify a genocide with a genocide (being committed by people who others tried to genocide).
We need to be better. Somehow…

Posted by: Rae | Jun 16 2025 20:34 utc | 492

Comeuppance?
Liesrael is finding out, the hard way, and in the Public Spotlight, that Jews aren’t the Smartest Thieves in the Universe after all.
Who woulda guessed?
Once the Iranians start adding hypersonic rocket fuel to the warheads of their missiles, Self-Deception-rael will become a collection of craters – a de facto Moonscape.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 16 2025 20:34 utc | 493

Newest:
Blackout on the Israeli side. No visuals or reports are coming through. It’s clear they have halted broadcasts and are restricting information sharing.
Israel has completely banned internal reporters from taking visuals or photos and has prohibited live broadcasts of the ongoing attacks. While first reports confirm impacts, visuals are not reaching us due to strict censorship measures inside the occupation.
Channel 14 has fled. Broadcast halted, facilities evacuated amid ongoing strikes and cyber disruptions.
A new type of explosive drone struck an Israeli defense system in its first-ever deployment. In response, Israeli authorities have announced preparations for the worst-case scenario.
The Iranian Army has joined the IRGC in this attack. The IRGC Aerospace Force, in combination with other branches of the Armed Forces, have launched a joint missile and drone strike on Israel.
| Imam Khamenei (H) posted:
نَصْرٌ مِنَ اللَّهِ وَفَتْحٌ قَرِيبٌ
Help from Allah and a near victory (Qur’an)
The armed forces of the Islamic Republic will undoubtedly deliver heavy blows to this malicious Zionist enemy.
The nation is also supporting us—supporting the armed forces—and the Islamic Republic, by Allah’s permission, will overcome the Zionist regime.
🔹@enemywatch

Posted by: JB | Jun 16 2025 20:36 utc | 494

Netanyahu appears in Israel-funded “Iran International” Farsi TV channel after destroying Iran national TV building.

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42842

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 20:36 utc | 495

The Zionists are incapable of diplomacy. They always use force to impose their will.
When they feel their force is insufficient, they double down.
Perhaps the Persians will realize their only option is to finish them off and be prepared to defend themselves against NATO.

Posted by: Frank | Jun 16 2025 20:36 utc | 496

I am afraid I triggered the morality discussion when I asked LoveDonbass not to equate Israelis with animals. This has nothing to do with giving in, or “beautiful souls”, or wishy-washy hippieness.
It’s about not steeping down to the level of fascists. Ukrainian and Israel politicans and propaganda are doing that. The struggle is real and humans are dying. The fight is not won on the keyboards feeding this forum, and it’s not helped by vulgar language.
Israel and USA have no standards. We should have.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 20:37 utc | 497

Video:
▶️ Iranian armed forces launch a barrage of missiles in a coordinated operation aimed at Israeli targets.
https://t.me/presstv/144803

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 20:38 utc | 498

Iranian sky are freely violated? How come that with all the big talk iranian air defense is non existent? I need to understand!

Posted by: Kvichnov | Jun 16 2025 20:39 utc | 499

I have not seen yet any discussion on the topic of ‘talking-worthiness’ to Netanyahu – and the loss of face by smaller heads of state, like Victor Orban, and larger ones (like Macron, or Starmer, or the German people) – who were hosting, (not arresting), or talking amiably with the war criminal. I understand Putin to some extent, that he was talking to him, but he may not do so much in the future. Likewise Trump may lose a lot of his ‘talking worthiness’ vis-a-vis others.

Posted by: fanto | Jun 16 2025 20:41 utc | 500

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