Tic-Toc Thread On The War On Iran – 2

June 16, 2025

Machine translated from Hebrew:

Yossi Melman @yossi_melman – 5:50 UTC · Jun 15, 2025

The euphoria was brief. On Friday morning, I asked if it was even necessary to start a war with the Iranians. Shiites are historically willing to suffer. I mentioned their willingness to sacrifice as demonstrated in the 8 years of attrition with Iraq. I recommend that we cut our losses. Ask Trump to stop the scramble for a reasonable agreement. Otherwise, we’ll end up begging for a cease-fire and Iran will refuse.

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Yossi Melman @yossi_melman – 6:22 UTC · Jun 16, 2025

There is no one to stop the madness. Ariel Kahana, political commentator for Israel Hayom, writes about Israel’s response plan to attack population centers: The IDF will announce in the coming hours an evacuation order for neighborhoods in Tehran. After that, the air force will bring down buildings, similar to what Israel did in Beirut.

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Comments

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 16 2025 16:28 utc | 295
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The Persians, Russians, and Chinese act thoughtfully. Inaction is an action.
And all 3 are winning, so it’s tricky to criticize.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 16:35 utc | 301

He will make the same decision that Kamala Harris would have made.
Posted by: Afro | Jun 16 2025 16:26 utc | 293
If Harris was truly a continuation of the Biden-Clinton DNC, there would have been “good faith” nuclear negotiations and likely a return to something resembling the JCPoA. Admittedly, that would have been kicking the can down the road as far as the NuttyYahoo Likuniks were concerned, and Kamala’s hubby is a huge Zionist, so maybe you’re right.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 16:36 utc | 302

Posted by: ToB | Jun 16 2025 16:36 utc | 303

Posted by: JB | Jun 16 2025 16:20 utc | 285
Thank you, I second that request!

Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jun 16 2025 16:37 utc | 304

Slavyangrad:
Slavyangrad, [6/16/2025 6:36 PM]
⚡ Breaking: Iranian state media warns of preparations “for the largest and most intense missile attack in history on Israeli soil.”
@Slavyangrad
Slavyangrad, [6/16/2025 6:37 PM]
Missile launches towards Israel were recorded
@Slavyangrad
We’ve learned by now that the Iranians don’t lie at this stage.

Posted by: Tichy | Jun 16 2025 16:38 utc | 305

@ Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 15:54 utc | 245
The colonial state of Israel’s aim is to destroy Iran so they better start acting like they understand this. A ceasefire with the evil entity will mean nothing since they always break them.
Take control of the war and destroy the evil state. Bomb the underground shelters and tell the settlers to leave through Jordan, Egypt or Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 16 2025 16:39 utc | 306

see the 1:23 video at the first/second link
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1934634880631005239
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal
The courage of these Iranian broadcasters in the face of Israeli terror is inspiring
Israel has deliberately murdered so many journalists in the past 20 months, bombed so many media outlets and faced no consequences
Btw, is everyone at Israel’s Channel 14 feeling safe tonight?
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1934631329460600952
Middle East Observer @ME_Observer_
⚡️🚨🚨 Israel bombs the Iranian Television:
Initial moments of the attack on the broadcasting authority during live transmission
Israeli Terrorism on live TV – The proud national staff refused to leave and continued coverage , knowing that they will get bombed.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 16 2025 16:39 utc | 307

@300,
Yes, they are basically CNN of the right wing rednecks these days. A lot of unverified garbage and wishful thinking. But the people commenting there are fine.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 16 2025 16:40 utc | 308

France shut down Israeli stands displaying attack weapons at the Paris Air Show, and the fury of Israel was something to see. Of course the action was completely antisemitic – anything that does not allow the Zionists a free hand and complete discretion is unfair and hurtful.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-furious-as-france-shuts-weapons-stands-at-paris-airshow/ar-AA1GOGNQ

Posted by: Mark | Jun 16 2025 16:40 utc | 309

Numbers don’t lie, just look at the pathetic Ukraine threads since Friday, below 50 comments.
Its official the war in Ukraine no longer exists in peoples minds, little, to no coverage. Zelensky and Putin can finally make peace and buddy up, nobody would even notice.
Any terrorists attacks from NATO on Russian soil since last week?
Folks still waiting for Putin to respond to strikes on its nuke triad, hopefully not, as it’ll never happen.
Posted by: ToB | Jun 16 2025 16:36 utc | 304
The Ukraine war is still going, in fact it may go faster now as Western munitions are depleted.
And the comment intensity will come back. Posters here have their attentions diverted for now, and that’s normal and expected.
I’m sure we’ll see another 250+ post Ukraine thread within a few weeks.

Posted by: Afro | Jun 16 2025 16:40 utc | 310

I’d like to think that by now most barflies have watched the Crooke/Napolitano chat, where regarding Pakistan they’ve sent missiles to Iran, and the aspect of Article 51 that says Iran can invoke “common defense” against the aggressor. Then there’s the closing part with the CNN report on Trump gloating he’d “Killed those he was negotiating with just a few days before”. A well-planned Trap/surprise attack that makes Trump a bonafide liar before the world if he wasn’t already seen as such.
China support: China has a habit of sending humanitarian aid to ANY nation that suddenly needs it, and that’s what IMO the first cargo planes carried. What subsequent planes are carrying is unknown.
Crooke said that once Iran’s AD system recovered from the cyberattack it’s been operating very well forcing Zionist jest to launch their cruise missile while in Iraqi airspace, thus confirming US involvement. The ferrying of tanker planes wasn’t mentioned.
IMO, the Cold War between the Global Majority and the Collective Western Empire has now gone hot, which will have implications for the Asian vassals of the Empire who were already rethinking their positions. One nation that’s already in a very poor position is Azerbaijan as it now seems clear its territory was used in the initial attack.
Meanwhile in Ukraine, Russia keeps advancing. How the Kremlin now views Trump is unknown, but Russians must be asking themselves What good does it do to talk to a known liar.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 16:40 utc | 311

@ToB | Jun 16 2025 16:36 utc | 304
The Ukraine war is still extremely important (Russia is winning), but the intensity and velocity of the Iran/israel war is just too much to consume right now. It is even difficult to keep up with one war, let alone 2.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 16:41 utc | 312

The mask is off and just about everyone sees America for what it is. Only the Arabs openly play the game of pretend. The ROW keeps their heads down and carries on.
Rick Sanchez did a segment on his RT show detailing American use of bad faith deception back to Andrew Jackson. The American way is ruthless and as its global stature decreases more challenges will appear.
Impossible to operate in a global community without trust unless you can force everyone to comply. That’s expensive to do. It comes at the cost of education, infrastructure, and healthcare.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 16:41 utc | 313

From Al Jazeera, more weasel wording in a headline re: Iran allegedly seeking a diplomatic way out, IMO. A phone call…but you have to read the emphasized part (my emphasis) to see what is really meant.

Iran’s FM says phone call from Washington could ‘pave the way to diplomacy’
Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi has called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “a war criminal” and said Israel’s PM is deliberately provoking war to block a diplomatic breakthrough between Iran and the US.
In a Telegram post, Araghchi said that Israel’s leadership is “hiding in Tel Aviv bunkers” and vowed that Iran’s armed forces will continue to retaliate “for as long as necessary to ensure that they no longer target our people”.
Araghchi said that if US President Donald Trump “truly believes in diplomacy” and wants to stop the war, then “a phone call from Washington is all it takes to silence Netanyahu”.
“That could pave the way for a return to diplomacy,” he said, adding that Iran didn’t start the war and does not seek further bloodshed, but will fight “with honour, to the last drop of blood” to defend its land and people.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 16:42 utc | 314

re 306 Slavyangrad, [6/16/2025 6:36 PM]
Breaking: Iranian state media warns of preparations “for the largest and most intense missile attack in history on Israeli soil.”
Although literally, such an attack would simply have to be bigger than the last Iranian missile attack, it looks like Craig Murray’s prediction re 284 may be about to come true.

Posted by: nazcalito | Jun 16 2025 16:45 utc | 315

Speaking of…how many Gulf Monarchy states have lifted a finger for Gaza?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 13:11 utc | 104
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Please check out the embedded video at this site, by C. J. Werleman.
Very interesting. I hadn’t heard of Werleman, but he speaks clearly and marshals the facts to support his theory.
https://alexkrainer.substack.com/p/trumps-iran-deception-is-it-regular?utm_source=post-email-title
Curious as to what barflies think of this.
Meanwhile I am not up-to-date on today’s developments.
I did send an email to the White House, just in case anyone checks out what das Volk is saying.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 16 2025 16:46 utc | 316

I am just skimming Al Manar and they just put up an Urgent banner with

Israeli media: Missiles have been just fired from Iran toward ‘Israel’

I hope that is true because I am of the opinion that Iran needs to inflict as much damage as possible to Occupied Palestine before the US gets its military assets in place.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 16:46 utc | 317

It makes perfect sense that Iran is seeking to end the conflict. By ending the conflict, they win, because the goal of the US/Israel is regime change in Iran.
Berletic has been saying this for months and it makes perfect sense.
The problem is that I do not believe the US/Israel will allow Iran to end the conflict. Precisely because if the conflict ends, they lose and Iran wins.
Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 15:51 utc | 241
Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 15:54 utc | 245
Can you point me to where/when Berletic said this? I don’t believe I’ve seen this and I watch him quite a bit.
Logically this makes little sense. “Ending the conflict” as you put it would just be Iran not fighting back while Israel and US continue to conduct its hybrid war of bombings, assassinations and missiles strikes until the Iranian government collapses.
Iran needs to mobilise its society to total war mode like the Iran-Iraq war. Clean out the traitors like Yemen and direct its society to full scale war with Israel and develop nuclear weapons. Once Iran flattens Israel like Gaza, destroys Israel’s military capabilities and has a nuclear deterrent, Palestine will be freed and no-one will dare to touch Iran. That is how Iran wins.
I saw some comparisons of Iran with Israel and I was astounded. Iran has no business been pushed around by a country of 9 million when they have 90 million and a landmass 80 times larger.
That is the end goal that Iran should be working towards, if they don’t realise that, then it’s down to their leader’s incompetence and it’s only a matter of time they get overthrown.

Posted by: V | Jun 16 2025 16:46 utc | 318

@ Posted by: EoinW | Jun 16 2025 16:34 utc | 300
About 1/2 or more of the articles on Z/H are now complete B/S – either promoting republican positions or out-right zionist crap (such as re. the criminalization of protesting against US support of Israel). It has long stopped being what it was – although there is occaisonally something of value. Curious how that works.
My account there was abruptly terminated – I think because I posted a link to live feed of the parade in Moscow. I know that sound rediculous, but is the best I can come-up with.
So anyway, yeah it’s gone.

Posted by: jared | Jun 16 2025 16:47 utc | 319

The Zionist sewer rats forgot that they’re fighting Aryans (“Iran” means “Land of the Aryans”). That means fighting a very, very tough opponent, brave and intelligent.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 16:47 utc | 320

Posted by: ToB | Jun 16 2025 16:36 utc | 304
######$
I said a year ago that the SMO was over.
There are still a few nerds posting map reports but the entire conflict has been one way since the counteroffensive with the exception of the Kursk adventure.
This is another front in the same war. There is no difference between Israel and Ukraine, they are both using the same terror tactics. The same backers. The same objective.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 16:47 utc | 321

Another Urgent page banner from Al Manar

Israeli media: Sirens were sounded in north of occupied Palestine due to Iranian missile fire

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 16 2025 16:50 utc | 322

Posted by: Afro | Jun 16 2025 16:26 utc | 293
“He ran as the peace president and a lot of people took that seriously.”
Yes, just like our ally in crime, the (no longer) “legitimate” President of Ukraine Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy.

Posted by: CeaClearly | Jun 16 2025 16:51 utc | 323

State TV chief slams ‘brutal’ Israeli attack
Peyman Jebelli, the head of the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), says the organisation’s headquarters was attacked because the Iranian “national media is precisely targeting the depth of the enemy’s media strategy”.
In a statement quoted by the semiofficial Mehr news agency, he said employees in the national media outlet “loudly declare” their determination to play their roles in the “hybrid war” initiated by Israel.
“There has been no disruption in our will to achieve a media victory over the front of disbelief,” Jebelli added.
Al Jazeera

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 16:52 utc | 324

I think, i express THINK, that Putin told Trump during Saturdays phone call,- that should he (Trump) choose to become an active participant in this conflict (kinetic wise) – Russia and China would be forced to become so too.
This isn’t about Iran, this is about China.

Posted by: Cato from Norway | Jun 16 2025 16:53 utc | 325

The moment sirens sounded in the northern occupied territories
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42804
The Lebanese are heading to the rooftop
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42805

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 16:54 utc | 326

I saw some comparisons of Iran with Israel and I was astounded. Iran has no business been pushed around by a country of 9 million when they have 90 million and a landmass 80 times larger.
Posted by: V | Jun 16 2025 16:46 utc | 319
Bear in mind that almost none of Iran’s industrial production data is recorded by Western financial systems since they’re outside of SWIFT.
Moreover, due to sanctions, banks conceal transactions with Iran.
All Western banks and corporations are legally forbidden from transactions directly or indirectly with Iran.
See the case of Meng Wanzhou, Huawei, Iran.
You’re probably not seeing the entire picture.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 16 2025 16:54 utc | 327

Posted by: V | Jun 16 2025 16:46 utc | 319
Here is the Berletic analysis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPAFvlPf-UE
Iran’s aim is to respond enough to deter Israel, but not too much to ensure US involvement and possible nuclear attack. If Iran stays stable, lasts through the war, Iran wins.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 16:54 utc | 328

Foad Izadi, professor of international relations at the University of Tehran, says he fears there are going to be “a lot of casualties” following the attack on the building of Iran’s state-run television.
Footage from the scene shows the building engulfed in flames.
“It’s a huge building,” Izadi told Al Jazeera. “Iran’s news channel is located on the first floor. It has four floors, and on every floor you have at least 200-300 people working,” he said.
“They were getting ready for the evening programmes. This is going to result in a lot of civilians – generally young people, young journalists – getting killed,” he added, noting that people who are not working as journalists would also have been in the building at the time of the attack.
Izadi said he expected the attack to spark international outrage and be condemned by international media outlets.
“Calling someone a mouthpiece doesn’t give you permission to kill them,” he said.
“If you don’t like the content of the news channel, it doesn’t give you permission to eliminate the people who work there,” Izadi added, describing Sahar Emami – the presenter who was live on air at the moment of the attack – as “a true journalist”.
“[She is] very unbiased and very fair in her reporting.”
Al Jazeera

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 16:54 utc | 329

If (b), then Israel will (with US approval and coordination) use nuclear weapons against Iran.
So I don’t see how Iran can win.
Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 14:37 utc | 170
You said it yourself: Iran wins by surviving. How many nukes does Israel have? I see 90 as the number thrown about. Okay, how are they going to use those nukes? Well, they’ll shoot them with their airplanes, right? So the nukes will be launched the same way conventional explosives are launched. Okay, WHAT’S THE INTERCEPT RATIO? Stop and think. If Iran shoots down 50% of nukes, then it gets hit with only 45 nukes. If it shoots down 2/3rds, it gets hit with only 30 nukes.
Can a country as big as Iran absorb 30 nukes of ~1 megaton each? Can Israel survive after nuking Iran?
And obviously, depending on how degraded Israel’s military may be at that point, and depending on how proficient Iran may get by that point, it may only end up absorbing a few nukes, out of a 90-missile salvo launched at it. At which point the Samson option will have been spent and a lot of angry people all around Israel might decide it’s now defenceless.

Posted by: rert | Jun 16 2025 16:55 utc | 330

Can a country as big as Iran absorb 30 nukes of ~1 megaton each? Can Israel survive after nuking Iran?
Posted by: rert | Jun 16 2025 16:55 utc | 331
That’s going to cause a toxic fallout cloud over all of West, central Asia and who knows where the wind blows.
That’s not an attack on Iran, that’s an attack on half the planet.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 16 2025 16:58 utc | 331

@ Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 15:59 utc | 253
Only one country in this conflict has nukes. Iran does not have them. So I guess you mean they are using a slow pace because they are busy trying to make them.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 16 2025 16:58 utc | 332

—❗️🇮🇷/🇮🇱 BREAKING: Iranian ballistics incoming in Haifa
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20097
—❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 About 10 missiles were launched
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20098
One impact in Haifa.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20099
⚡️ Breaking: Iranian state media warns of preparations “for the largest and most intense missile attack in history on Israeli soil.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131559

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 16:59 utc | 333

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 16:47 utc | 322 “I said a year ago that the SMO was over.”
The problem is that Ukraine doesn’t agree with you. Nor do the backers of Ukraine. The purpose of the backers is to continually drain Russian abilities.

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 16 2025 16:59 utc | 334

Posted by: rert | Jun 16 2025 16:55 utc | 331 WHAT’S THE INTERCEPT RATIO? Stop and think.”
What is the intercept ratio by Iran against Israeli aircraft?

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 16 2025 17:01 utc | 335

One last point I omitted from my short synopsis of what Crooke said: Iran’s goal is to demilitarize the Zionists. So, those many multistory apartment blocks aren’t part of the targeting mix. And as I opined yesterday, the slowness of the volleys is likely due to the time it takes to do good BDA. Some targets like the air bases merit repeated strikes but locating and targeting the many military compounds will take time, and some targets will need to be within the West Bank and close to if not inside Gaza.
At this point it appears likely that the Zionist’s planes are now operating from Cyprus, meaning it will have needed to be crammed full of fuel and ammo well before this began. Another point is with their airbases kaput the Zionists cannot use any of their gravity H-Bombs leaving only their missiles available as delivery vehicles. I’d imagine Tran knows where those missiles are stationed/siloed and is doing what it can to disable them. Yes, it’s possible the Zionists removed some of their bombs to Cyprus and thus still have some nuke capacity. We don’t know what Russia’s specifically supplying, but I would guess its mobile S-400 launchers and their radars.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 17:02 utc | 336

PERFIDY
In the context of war, perfidy is a form of deceptive tactic where one side pretends to act in good faith, such as signaling a truce (e.g., raising a white flag), but does so with the deliberate intention of breaking that promise. The goal is to trick the enemy into lowering their guard, such as stepping out of cover to accept a supposed surrender, only to exploit their vulnerability.
Perfidy constitutes a breach of the laws of war and so is a war crime, as it degrades the protections and mutual restraints developed in the interest of all parties, combatants and civilians.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Jun 16 2025 17:02 utc | 337

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 16:54 utc | 330
200 plus Palestinian journalists have been killed while the international community looked away. What made him think they would condemn the attack on Iranian media?

Posted by: Georgis | Jun 16 2025 17:03 utc | 338

this is terrorism
anyone here remember the 2003 Iraq war, and the USA intentionally targeting many News outlets and their offices/buildings, and even journalists too?
typical of the world’s biggest terrorist, and now of its main sidekick in the Middle East, which has now intentionally killed at least 235-240 journalists
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/following-blatant-threats—israel–bombs-iran-s-state-broad
Following blatant threats, ‘Israel’ bombs Iran’s state broadcaster
Despite the blatant attack, the IRIB resumed its live broadcast only minutes later, actively challenging the Israeli aggression.
“Israel” launched an attack on Iran’s official broadcaster, the Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran (IRIB), in a glaring violation of international law.
Footage was released showing the moment strikes hit the building during the station’s live broadcast, as well as the aftermath of the attack. Iranian media reported a number of martyrs and injuries in the strikes…..
….Moreover, Israeli airstrikes also targeted Iran’s official news channel studios. Consequently, Al Mayadeen’s correspondent in Tehran confirmed that all channels of the Iranian Broadcasting Authority are operating normally, except for the news channel….
….On its part, Al Mayadeen Media Network strongly condemned the attack, slamming it as not only a crime against the freedom of the press, journalism, and journalists, but also a war crime against humanity.
Al Mayadeen called on Arab and international news agencies, as well as international organizations, to stand in resolute, clear, and unfeigned solidarity with the IRIB…..
….It is worth noting that Israeli Security Minister Israel Katz blatantly threatened Iranian media earlier today, declaring that Iran’s state television and radio were “about to disappear.”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 16 2025 17:03 utc | 339

In an interview with ABC, Netanyahu said he does not rule out the possibility of assassinating Khamenei.
@TabZLIVE
Maybe do false flag the american Pope aswell, while you at it. For good measure.
Lunatics.

Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 17:04 utc | 340

@336
What is the cumulative effect?
Israeli air strikes are moving to apartment buildings, benefit of terror
Like how U$$A did with Houthi

Posted by: paddy | Jun 16 2025 17:04 utc | 341

I am still not impressed with Iran’s responses in this war.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 16 2025 17:05 utc | 342

“Israel has the right to defend itself” front man BN is giving interviews about assassinating Iran’s supreme leader Khamenei, which would “calm things down”.
The free press in the free world:
The Guardian
Ali Khamenei: ruthless defender of Iran’s revolution with few good options left
The Iranian supreme leader is backed into a corner, a situation he has spent his life doing his best to avoid
Times of Israel:
Khamenei in bunker in northeastern Tehran; Israel didn’t kill him Friday to give him chance to yield — report
The Economic Times (India)
Iran’s leadership rift widens as Khamenei faces backlash over military failures and public dissent

Posted by: JB | Jun 16 2025 17:05 utc | 343

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 17:02 utc | 337 “At this point it appears likely that the Zionist’s planes are now operating from Cyprus,”
There are pictures of Israeli airliners parked there.
There is no proof of that any IDF aircraft attacking Iran are operating out of Cyprus. This would be easily spotted by the people living around the airports, even the British base.

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 16 2025 17:06 utc | 344

Here is the Berletic analysis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPAFvlPf-UE
Iran’s aim is to respond enough to deter Israel, but not too much to ensure US involvement and possible nuclear attack. If Iran stays stable, lasts through the war, Iran wins.
Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 16:54 utc | 329
Then that’ll lead to the outcome of more Iranian leadership assassinated.
This may very well be what the Iranians had in mind, as True Promise 1 and 2 was basically that exact strategy.
But we saw how much of a failure it was right?

Posted by: V | Jun 16 2025 17:09 utc | 345

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 16 2025 16:58 utc | 333
Is that why Netanyahu is in a VIP retreat in Cyprus wince Friday 13th, with bespoke in room dining, 24/7 diaper changes, living in lux while he supposedly has the upper hand, all the while he just declared war?
Right…. Lets rethink that.

Posted by: ToB | Jun 16 2025 17:11 utc | 346

Circulating footage shows Israelis preventing Thai and other foreign workers from entering underground bunkers.

https://t.me/European_dissident/69873

Did you know that while Zionist settlers are forced to hide in shelters, the internationally wanted terrorist prime minister of the regime — a close ally and friend of Trump — has packed his bags and is hiding in Greece, as Israelis endure the consequences of his war crimes.

https://t.me/presstv/144744

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:13 utc | 347

Netanyahu: ‘Khamenei is like Hitler — he’s not going to stop until he eradicates all of us [Jews]’ – ABC
Finally shut this pig’s dirty lying mouth.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 16 2025 17:14 utc | 348

Looks like the Haifa refinery was seriously damaged. The large number of air refuelers being sent show that. Likely the IAF will be fueled coming and going with jet fuel sourced from Italy and Spain.
There’s a report that Iran hit the Haifa power plant on Sunday, however I need to see video evidence of Haifa being dark for confirmation. Israel has 2 other large plants on the coast, one just north of Tel Aviv and on just north of Gaza. Hit them, and its lights out for Israel. I think that is why Israel hasn’t hit Kharg Island yet.
Israel is losing this war.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 16 2025 17:15 utc | 349

Where are the Iranian fighter jets to bring this down? or even the S-400 Air Defence Systems.
“An Israeli Hermes 450 flying over Central Tehran without any Air Defense activity.”
https://nitter.poast.org/GlobeWarReport/status/1934644506311512325#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 16 2025 17:16 utc | 350

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 16 2025 17:05 utc | 343
Maybe they didn’t get the notice that their existential struggle is primarily for entertainment of sociopathic shills.

Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 17:17 utc | 351

see the 1:53 video at the first link. The air defense missiles start to go up, and several come right back down again and explode on the ground. uh, shooting yourself in the foot?
see the three short videos at the third link
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1934442821139751317
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
On this video you can see Israeli air defense systems’ missile bombing friendly targets on the ground.
Same systems are deployed in central Tel Aviv.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1934499066802733129
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
My sources: Iran has increased the production of hypersonic missiles and the most modern missiles are Kept for a wider war, if and when enlarged
https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1934435086839287974
Warfare Analysis @warfareanalysis
⚡️ Massive and unprecedented destruction in buildings in Tel Aviv following the impact of Iranian missiles.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 16 2025 17:17 utc | 352

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 16 2025 12:30 utc | 77
Hey genius! Iran can shut down the straits selectively in the exact same way Chinese and Russian shipping was not cut off in the red sea. In fact they can do that with much greater ease than Yemen could with zero western bound ships making it past the blockade. They have geographical superiority over the straits and even into the Gulf of Oman in a fashion that is closer to what Turkey has over passage to the Black Sea. No problem for China at all. In fact it would lower their cost of oil as the western markets would be cut off completely.

Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 16 2025 17:17 utc | 353

32 Refueling Tankers with their respective Fighter Squadrons are on STAND BY in Europe, the Middle East & Asia Pacific for Trump’s Orders – Reuters confirmed

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 16 2025 17:18 utc | 354

What made him think they would condemn the attack on Iranian media?
Posted by: Georgis | Jun 16 2025 17:03 utc | 339
Exactly. Childish wishful thinking.
Western MSM is right now on full throttle mode of spreading lies or simply not reporting if it was to weaken the narrative that Izrahell is winning. Lying is the preferred mode.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 16 2025 17:18 utc | 355

There’s a report that Iran hit the Haifa power plant on Sunday, however I need to see video evidence of Haifa being dark for confirmation.
Posted by: JackG | Jun 16 2025 17:15 utc | 350
Sure I saw a video of Haifa going dark a couple of nights ago. No idea of whether it stayed dark, or was repaired. I’m sure a grid repair would have been enough to bring in electricity from elsewhere, the following day or whatever.

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 16 2025 17:20 utc | 356

If Netanyahu is indeed in Greece then why haven’t the Greek authorities arrested him as required by the ICC arrest warrant?

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jun 16 2025 17:25 utc | 357

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 16:40 utc | 312

I’d like to think that by now most barflies have watched the Crooke/Napolitano chat, where regarding Pakistan they’ve sent missiles to Iran, and the aspect of Article 51 that says Iran can invoke “common defense” against the aggressor. Then there’s the closing part with the CNN report on Trump gloating he’d “Killed those he was negotiating with just a few days before”.

That is an excellent example of where I am seeing that either Trump is not very bright or he is losing his faculties.
I is trying to appear “presidential” and looks increasingly like Little Bush – notice he does a lot of the squint looking into the distance look – posturing.

Posted by: jared | Jun 16 2025 17:27 utc | 358

❗️“It’s not the building that was bombed, it’s the voice of truth” – Iranian anchor returns on-air after Israeli strike
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/26405
Speaking truth is the most dangerous thing

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:28 utc | 359

Israel bombed Iranian news channel buildings – as Ruptly (RT news) evacuates its personnel from their news channel building in Iran – not long ago, Israel evacuated news and tv staff from some of their buildings incase they are struck.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 16 2025 17:30 utc | 360

Petergsmst, when did the Muslim Brotherhood, a sunni Egyptian based mo event become Shia? That makes no sense. The English background is relevant a.d telling, still doesn’t exact make him a plant, but perhaps his anti-nuclear positions would have conferred him some favoritism Occams Razor and all

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 17:30 utc | 361

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jun 16 2025 17:25 utc | 358
I could swear I saw a video on Israel media after the first wave of Irans strikes on Saturday morning where he was touring a damaged building. If anything he’s probably in Cyprus safe from Interpol at the UK airbase

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2025 17:30 utc | 362

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:28 utc | 360
Killing the messenger is a thousands of years old tradition of cowards.
Pathetic.

Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 17:30 utc | 363

Repeat post:
List of Power Plants in Israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Israel
2 big coal plants: 
Hadera 2.56GW✅ 
Ashkelon 2.25GW
7 NG plants 
Ramla 1.33GW 
Mt. Carmel (Haifa) 1.02GW✅ 
Dalia 0.86 GW 
Ashkelon 0.80GW 
Tazfit 0.60GW 
Ramat 0.52GW 
Mishor 0.44GW
Knock out the 3 biggest and the math is clear.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 16 2025 17:31 utc | 364

Bernie Sanders:
“Netanyahu started this war by attacking Iran.
He assassinated Ali Shamkhani, Iran’s lead nuclear negotiator, deliberately sabotaging US-Iran nuclear negotiations.
The US must not be dragged into another illegal Netanyahu war – either militarily or financially.”
Like him or not the statements of the most popular Democratic leading Senator, Presidential candidate and Jew, who can’t be discredited by an antisemitism label have an impact.

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 16 2025 17:34 utc | 365

Wheres da’ proof ?
Here:
This isn’t Gaza its Israel
https://x.com/IranMilitary__/status/1934504104711127243

Posted by: Exile | Jun 16 2025 17:35 utc | 366

🇮🇱 Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu states:
“It’s not going to escalate the conflict, it’s going to end the conflict”
When asked regarding the dire consequences of taking out Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42818

Netanyahu: “I understand America First. I don’t understand America dead… It’s a battle of good against evil.”

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42819

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:38 utc | 367

Posted by: V | Jun 16 2025 17:09 utc | 346
I am tempted to agree. As does Craig Murray, who just posted that Iran should view this action as existential and should bombard Israel with everything they have. There is a clear difference of opinion among good-willed people about how Iran should best handle this war.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 17:39 utc | 368

Sow the wind reap the whirlwind:
IDF baby killer on leave in Tel Aviv complete breakdown because of Sirens:
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1934324409860296789?

Posted by: Exile | Jun 16 2025 17:40 utc | 369

Netanyahu: “I understand America First. I don’t understand America dead… It’s a battle of good against evil.”
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42819
How retarded do you have to be to think that a mid-tier regional power on the other side of the fucking planet really poses a threat to the US mainland. Everything this fucker says he says to a US audience to manipulate them into another war.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 17:42 utc | 370

—❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 BREAKING: Tasnim News claims Iranian air defenses have shot down a 4th F-35 above Tabriz, western Iran
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20109
Lockheed Martin, the defense company producing the F-35, saw a sharp decrease in stock price. Amid various unconfirmed reports that Iran has downed 4 F-35s since the beginning of the war.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20110

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:43 utc | 371

Posted by: Afro | Jun 16 2025 17:43 utc | 372

The evil entity bombed a children’s hospital on Saturday. Iran did not retaliate the same way.
The evil colony bombed a hospital yesterday, Iran did not retaliate the same.
Israel has tested how far Iran is willing to go and discovered their limits. Expect them to continue targeting areas with lots of civilians. Iran has to fully understand they are dealing with evil.
I do not want Iran to bomb a children’s hospital because that it is too evil. However I am okay with them bombing underground hospitals or regular hospitals that have IOF soldiers being treated.
No mercy to this evil colony. Always remember, the only civilians in Israel are those under 18 years.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 16 2025 17:45 utc | 373

@ Exile | Jun 16 2025 17:40 utc | 369
Much as I don’t like seeing people in distress like that, it’s an emotion coming from the cognitive dissonance that arises when the Zionist superiority complex meets the cold, hard reality of incoming ballistics.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 16 2025 17:47 utc | 374

Posted by: Afro | Jun 16 2025 17:43 utc | 372
It’s propaganda from the book.
Same claims are applied when they pretend putin/RF is going to invade all Europe.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 16 2025 17:53 utc | 375

Multiple launches of ballistic and hypersonic missiles from Iranian territory towards Israel have been recorded.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131601

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:53 utc | 376

No mercy to this evil colony. Always remember, the only civilians in Israel are those under 18 years.
Posted by: Georgie | Jun 16 2025 17:45 utc | 373
There are 2 million non-Jewish citizens of Israel, which I believe does not include Palestinian citizens in Gaza and West Bank.
There are also some ultra orthodox jews who are explicitly anti-zionist, for example near the Meat Shearim area.

Posted by: Afro | Jun 16 2025 17:54 utc | 377

If the child murderers are using JDAM 2000 lbs bombs on Tehran, as some media say, that is a very bad news, I hope is a lie and they are still using stand-off weapons, otherwise the destruction in Tehran will be huge, because they have many thousands from USA, and much less missiles.
If that is the case the zionist SEAD campaign is working and the best strategy for Irán will be to attack the air bases with all they have to stop the bombing and try to rebuild the AD asap

Posted by: Dave F | Jun 16 2025 17:54 utc | 378

Photos:

The published satellite images by Maxar have provided the clearest visual record of the consequences of Israeli strikes on key facilities of the Iranian nuclear program. The images clearly show damage to entrances, hangar ceilings, ventilation shafts, ground-based power and auxiliary structures. However, there are no signs of penetration of deep buried contours. That is, the facilities were attacked, but the core of their physical structure, including halls with centrifuges and technical tunnels, most likely survived. This confirms earlier assessments: the Israeli aviation, despite a high level of training, did not have the means to hit objects located at depths of 60-90 meters in rock. Even the use of bunker buster munitions turned out to be insufficient – their power was enough to damage the entrances, but not to completely destroy the internal structure.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131602

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:55 utc | 379

Bombing a TV station looks like Ukrainian style crap to me. Munitions wasted for dramatic effect and headlines.
The problem with comparisons between Israel and Iran are that Iran seems stuck fighting with missiles so the other advantages may not mean much. Of course, you can say Israel is stuck with aircraft fighting as to projecting power. I am curious about Dimona as to leverage against Israel bombing Iran’s nuke stuff.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 16 2025 17:55 utc | 380

…… it’s an emotion coming from the cognitive dissonance that arises when the Zionist superiority complex meets the cold, hard reality of incoming ballistics……..
I’ve been saying for 18 months:
1) the Likud is Israelis own worst enemy
2) 242 is better than 181 and a whole lot better than the Algerian Outcome.
A bad peace is better than a good war

Posted by: Exile | Jun 16 2025 17:57 utc | 381

The Israeli Air Force struck two iconic Iranian Air Force F-14 Tomcat fighter jets at Tehran airport.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131598
Decoys:

Either these are decoys or the Iranians have the laziest ground crews in the world. 😂

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/131603

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 16 2025 17:57 utc | 382

Re LoveDonbass, #247 Absolutely correct. Iran is the tip of the spear and US/UK are walking into a well planned trap. Inquiring minds would wonder exactly who whispered in Netanyahu’s ear that this would be a great time to bomb Iran and promoted the delusion that it would mirror the dissolution of Syria, with the destruction similar to that of Gaza.
Also wondering if this has not been carefully planned out years in advance. Finally, even Zelensky is saying that Odessa will be lost to the Ukraine as the puzzle pieces of disparate, seemingly unconnected efforts come together. The US and Israel have never been weaker – politically, economically and militarily. US facing the perfect storm – high levels of internal and external turbulence, rapidly ascending to a Category 5.

Posted by: abierno | Jun 16 2025 17:58 utc | 383

It seems the delay suggests to me Donnie is getting a lesson from the Pentagon. Trump the negotiator is working, US drops bombs, Iran agrees to ceasefire on very favorable terms, not sure if Iran will settle.
Islamic law demands you remain open to peace at all times, and ne er fight in anger or from vendetta, then you’re killing for yourself not Allah. They take seriously the injunction to not fight those not actively fighting you, and to not even harm a tree.
The blood thirsty calls for a final solution is so Christian, so telephonically, so “final solution” Muslims think of jihad or struggles, these don’t end they are a part of life. Even when you get military security you face a jihad with yourself. Perhaps being g a gardener with a philosophy degree makes me engaged in a different “time” than most (and here i know there are many others) UT the “teleoligical fallacy” is a delusion that there is some end to a war that is resolved with the signing of a treaty. Or, that’s how you forecast. You make.decent near term predictions, But lacking the ability to even anticipate all the actual variables and factors you quit and wrap it up. No need to pretend clairvoyance and no need to think the grand finale is good tactics. No, continuous, careful targeted degradation, days, weeks if needed of no sleep. The Quran says, fight them as they fight you, but that’s incomplete, the restraints I mentioned are shared by all but COA/Mossad mercenaries a d a few autocratic like Erdogon and Sisi.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 18:04 utc | 384

Israel won the six-day war. The Yom Kippur war lasted 21 days, Israel won.
A rough guess would be that a short, hard war is in Israel’s favor; a drawn-out war is in Iran’s advantage.
The next elections in Israel is October 2026. Do you think Iran can keep on lobbing missiles into Israel until then? The Iran-Iraq war lasted 8 years.
Now consider Israel as another Ukraine-by-the-Mediterranean. You are a US taxpayer, who has seen the potholes in the road grow as more money is channeled to Ukraine. How does your generosity measure up?

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 16 2025 18:04 utc | 385

I appreciate the enthusiasm and confidence in the axis of resistance, the free and decent people of the world have. But I suggest you all to reflect on the prophecies made by Prophet Muhammad and quotations from the Koran itself regarding the Zionist movement.
God will gather the Jews to the land of their forefathers, Israel created
Israel expands, goes onto dominate the Arab world
Anti-Christ rises, wages war on Arabs and Persia
99% of the Arabs are killed, Persia is wiped off from the face of the earth
Greater Israel created, Dome of the Rock demolished, 3rd temple rebuild.
Anti-Christ proclaims himself God from the 3rd temple
Muslims from the fringes of the Islamic civilization, namely, Afghanistan, Russian Muslims in Chechnya & Dagestan, Indonesians and Black Muslims from Africa rush to the Middle East to fight the coalition of the Jews and the West
After many years of struggle, Jesus descends from the heaven and assume command of the Muslim armies
Greater Israel destroyed, becomes greater graveyard of the Jews
Muslim armies carry on their mission into Europe, America and Oceania bringing everyone to the heel
Anti-Christ killed, western armies destroyed. Institutions demolished
Christians convert to Islam by a decree from Jesus, end of Zionist movement.
Jesus leaves. Gog-Magog war ensues
I know the western brainwashing has planted the idea that religions is noting but fairytales. I believe otherwise. But doesn’t matter in which camp you are in, half of the prophesies have already come true regarding this matter and the way things are looking, no doubt the rest half will come true as well.
I’m not saying this will all happen now as no timeline was provided but it may well be. Hoping best for Persia. May God decends the armies of his mighty angels to their aid. God Willing, Amen.

Posted by: Anyways | Jun 16 2025 18:05 utc | 386

Axis signals magic.

Due to GPS jamming in the Persian gulf, Qatari Air Force F-15 appears in Iran. (Callsign FIRE7)

https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1934544489437110660
.

⚠️ UKMTO reports GPS interference over the Persian Gulf – Strait of Hormuz area.
It was visible on US flights taking off from Al Udeid this morning. Also an unknown UAV was active along Iran’s coast (THB36)

https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1934536960888238306

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 18:06 utc | 387

petergrfstrm | Jun 16 2025 13:24 utc | 113
*** the anglosaxons always prevent it.***
Whatever it is, they probably don’t.
Almost a thousand years ago the Saxons in England were overthrown by the invading Normans.
There are land and property owning families still stinking rich from that event.
The older part of the Establishment is not “Anglo Saxon” it is predominantly Norman in ancestry with some very rich Jewish later co-opted.
Of course, they got so rich by being insatiably avaricious and murderous robber barons or conniving crooks. So not particularly different to the present day.
But could it be that the use of incorrect “origin” terminology was and is a deliberate habit, intended to obscure the fact of the top of the Establishment actually being of different origin to most of the population it controls?
Which in some areas is mostly Brythonic/Keltic/Viking anyway, so not Saxon either.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 16 2025 18:07 utc | 388

Larry Johnson chatting with Nima also mentioned the Pakistani promise to Nuke the Zionists if they nuke Iran. Lots of condemnation of both Trump and Zionists. Russian MFA was asked when negotiations with the Outlaw US Empire would resume. Here’s the readout:

Question: Could you specify when the next Russian-US bilateral consultations will take place?
Maria Zakharova: As of today, the next meeting within the framework of bilateral consultations on eliminating “irritants” in order to normalise the activities of the diplomatic missions of both countries has been cancelled at the initiative of the US negotiators. We hope that the pause they have taken will not be too long. [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2025 18:08 utc | 389

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 16 2025 18:04 utc | 384
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I am no shayk or scholar, but I don’t think one has to remain open to negotiation if the other party is deceptive.
There are examples of this before the hijrah, the Quraysh were dishonest with the Prophet (SAW) and he stopped treating with them.
I hope Iran burns everyone involved in the genocide (America, France, UK, Germany) to the ground. They will not learn, and they will not act in good faith.
Men get arrested. Animals get put down.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 18:08 utc | 390

there are enough reports/footage already about israel “not harming” civilians. why is this nazi lying?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 16 2025 11:40 utc | 50
Maybe you can take a page out of Aesop (if you ignore the logical fallacy)
Q:Why does the scorpion sting the frog when it is transiting the river- and now both will die???
A:It’s in its nature.
To put bluntly. To date- all I have heard out of Israelis- Is lies. ( I now expect it – every time they speak)

Posted by: Original Newbie | Jun 16 2025 18:11 utc | 391

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 18:08 utc | 390
Men get arrested. Animals get put down.

You probably mean well but dehumanisation is the language of fascists.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 18:12 utc | 392

The zionists are luring to the iranian to use their precious hypersonic missiles to attack empty buildings of TV channels and civil buildings without strategic importance to avoid the iranian use them to strike critical infraestructures in occupied Palestine, because they have few of them.
The same tactic used by Churchill in summer 1940, when he ordered the RAF to bomb Berlin to easy the pressure of the Luftwaffe on the RAF air bases, and Hitler falls in the trap and order the German planes to attack London and other english cities allowing the RAF to recover and counter-attack.
The iranians, like the russians do, should follow the established path to destroy the child murderers infraestructures that allow them to continué the War

Posted by: Dave F | Jun 16 2025 18:13 utc | 393

I am tempted to agree. As does Craig Murray, who just posted that Iran should view this action as existential and should bombard Israel with everything they have. There is a clear difference of opinion among good-willed people about how Iran should best handle this war.
Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 17:39 utc | 368
There’s a saying that history doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
I’m reminded what happened to Iran is basically what happened to North Korea. North Korea got raided by hybrid war SK death squads massacring its villages along its border. Then it decided to strike back at SK, SK got smacked, US entered NK got smacked, China entered and US got smacked.
Both times China/Russia advised NK to not attack or develop nuclear weapons, but NK understood this was necessary for the nation’s survival and did it anyway.
Now NK is free from any attacks because no one dares to touch it and it has full control of its destiny.
Heck thanks to the Kims’ foresight and preparation in building the world’s most extensive tunnel system, I believe NK is likely the only country that’ll survive with more than 10% of its population in a nuclear exchange.

Posted by: V | Jun 16 2025 18:16 utc | 394

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 18:12 utc | 392
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I don’t mean well to Imperial colonizers.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 18:16 utc | 395

NEW: The IDF will no longer allow foreign journalists to work and report in Haifa
@Middle_East_Spectator
Nothing to see, please move on.

Posted by: kspr | Jun 16 2025 18:21 utc | 396

I am tempted to agree. As does Craig Murray, who just posted that Iran should view this action as existential and should bombard Israel with everything they have.
Posted by: WJ | Jun 16 2025 17:39 utc | 368
#########
The last thing Iran needs is advice from the West. It’s the last thing Russia or China needs too.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 18:21 utc | 397

On Israel nuking Iran.
First, Iran has everything that it needs to slap together a couple of nukes in a week. Iran has achieved MAD unless it’s underground facilities are taken out by US bunker busters. It’s unclear if US bunker busters can take out Iran’s hardened facilities at an alleged 800 meters underground. This is the classic 1st strike 2nd strike problem and it’s unclear if Dr. Strangelove (neocons, zionists, and other crazies) thinks he can pull it off.
There’s a catch-22 here. It makes much more sense to destroy the facilities first, but if you can do that then you’re already winning and there’s no need for the nuclear option. If you can’t do that because your losing, then MAD is in full force.
Second, Israel has shown that it is willing to shred its international reputation to accomplish its goals. But, it’s not eager to poor more gasoline on that fire. World opinion of Israel would tank even harder if Israel nuked a country after picking a fight and then losing it. Nukes will be a last resort, and since Iran isn’t sending in ground troops Israel isn’t in any danger of being overrun in the near term. Israel will hold off unless its very existence is threatened in the near term.
Lastly, it would change the game for everyone else. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and others would all be looking at options for nuclear programs of their own. Pakistan could collect some huge favors by sharing out a couple of nukes to freindly Muslim states. Israel can only play this card once before it changes the game.

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 16 2025 18:22 utc | 398

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 16 2025 18:16 utc | 395
I don’t mean well to Imperial colonizers.

Nobody should, and few here do. But you can say precisely what they are and what they do without dehumanisation. Leave that to the zionists who are really good at it. I think it was Bezalel Smotrich who spoke of Palestinians as “human animals” and of Gaza as a “slaughterhouse”.
By contrast, the Palestinians I got to know were careful to distinguish between zionists (the enemy), Israel (the terror state) and jews (a religion). No animal comparisons. I get the same impression from Iranian statements.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 16 2025 18:23 utc | 399

Posted by: Afro | Jun 16 2025 17:54 utc | 377
We have the Druze, Christian Zionists, Bedouins that are all participating in the slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza.
Which group of ultra orthodox jews? The ones supporting Ben Givir as they steal more Palestinian land, destroy olive trees, kill sheep, harass and kill Palestinians or the ones that have not done a thing to stop the genocide.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 16 2025 18:23 utc | 400

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