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June 20, 2025
Tic-Toc Thread 6 On The War On Iran

I commented yesterday that Trump Always Chickens Out (TACO) by pointing to a CNN piece:

Trump will allow 2 more weeks for diplomacy before deciding on US strike in Iran, White House says

“Based on the fact that there’s a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks,” said the president in his statement, which was read aloud by press secretary Karoline Leavitt from the White House briefing room.

However, "within the next two weeks" is open to many possibilities. Still I perceived that Trump had decided to not bomb Iran.

Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism sees a different form of TACO:

Trump has approved a US strike package for Iran but is allegedly holding off to see how Tehran responds to his latest ultimatum, which is to give up not just nuclear enrichment but also ballistic missiles, that is, render itself defenseless. Trump has put pedal to the metal and has also thrown the steering wheel out the window. He’s created too much in the way of expectation of action to reverse course. TACO is prevailing: Trump is unwilling and/or unable to stand up to the Israel lobby and neocons.

We will see. My hunch is still that Trump will refrain from attacking Iran because the potential damage it may cause to the global position of the U.S., as well as to his domestic political plans, is too high to make it a viable solution.

When the war in Ukraine was launched by Kiev the U.S. and its proxies had planned to shock Russia into submission. They anticipated that Russia was weak. The hoped for an economic crash and a breakdown of its government. But the move failed. In the months and years following the attack Russia pulled Ukraine into a war of attrition which Ukraine, even with support from the west, had no chance to win.

After recognizing that there was nothing to win in fighting Russia Trump pulled back from the war.

Similar plans were laid out for the attack on Iran. A shock and awe campaign would leave Iran decapitated and diminished. Despite all evidence Iran was perceived as weak. A revolution would break out. Any response from Iran would be defeated. But the move failed. In the days since the launch of the war Iran has dragged Israel into a war of attrition which Israel, even with the support from the west, has no chance to win.

It may still take a few days for Trump to accept that view. But, like in Ukraine, he is likely to draw the right conclusion from it.

Today the war proceed like it did over the last days. Neither side has air superiority. Israel is using stand off weapons and drones to hit targets in Iran. But its success against Iranian mobile missile launchers is so lousy that it promotes each of several different photos from one strike as unique defeats of Iranian forces.

Iran is using ballistic missiles with astonishing precision. By now at least 50% pass through the formerly dense network of Israel's missiles defenses. Several dozen do impact Israel each and every day.

But the reserves of missile for defense like Israel uses are counted in hundreds while the reserves of ballistic missiles Iran is using are numbered in thousands. Logistically and financially it is a fight that Israel can not win.

Its only hope is to involve the U.S. directly into a fight with Iran. But there is nothing in it strategically for the U.S. to win. Russian and China will not be sorry when the U.S. gets again bogged down in the Middle East.

Still it is of course possible that Trump's instincts will fail and that he will order an outright attack on Iran. Seymour Hersh's sources claim that the U.S. will strike during this weekend:

This is a report on what is most likely to happen in Iran, as early as this weekend, according to Israeli insiders and American officials I’ve relied upon for decades. It will entail heavy American bombing. I have vetted this report with a longtime US official in Washington, who told me that all will be “under control” if Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei “departs.” Just how that might happen, short of his assassination, is not known. There has been a great deal of talk about American firepower and targets inside Iran, but little practical thinking, as far I can tell, about how to remove a revered religious leader with an enormous following.

It  would of course be the surest way to guarantee that Iran will indeed develop real nuclear weapons:

U.S. Spy Agencies Assess Iran Remains Undecided on Building a Bomb (archived) – NY Times
U.S. intelligence officials said Iran was likely to pivot toward producing a nuclear weapon if the U.S. attacked a main uranium enrichment site, or if Israel killed its supreme leader.

Conventional bunker busters are unlikely to be sufficient to knock out Iran's deeply buried enrichment bunkers. The U.S. would have to go nuclear. The B61-11 nuclear earth penetrator has a yield of 300 to 400 kilotons. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 15 and 21 kt. Using it would set a precedence that the no one will want.

Iran's Foreign Minister is in Geneva to meet with the UK, Germany and France. There is nothing to expect from this. President Macron of France, who years ago condemned Trump from leaving the JCPOA agreement with Iran, has now adopted Trump's position. He is demanding zero enrichment, limits on Iran's ballistic missiles and limits on its support for resistance forces. A farce as all these points are well known Iranian redlines.

P.S.:

This is good:

Why Iran? The Context & The Consequences – Roger Boyd

Comments

Posted by: Nopigs or females | Jun 20 2025 16:38 utc | 193
Yes I was hinting exactly at that.
Kallas was probably summoned in advance because her approach is not natural for a western person.
Thanks for your answer.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 20 2025 16:45 utc | 201

Posted by: Call it what u will | Jun 20 2025 14:49 utc
Ted Cruz exemplifies the saying: “religion is the last refuge of the scoundrel.”

Posted by: norecovery | Jun 20 2025 16:45 utc | 202

The “28,000 missiles” reminds me of Hitler in a tape-recorded conversation with Finnish commander Mannerheim saying that he would not have invaded the USSR if he had known they had so many tanks. Israeli intelligence organisations are often credited with great powers though that may be as much propaganda as reality. It is possible that they severely under-estimated Iran’s stockpile?

Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 20 2025 16:47 utc | 203

From SPIEF

Putin:
“Israel today is almost a Russian-speaking state. But we have warm relations with Iran.”
“Russia will not enter into the conflict between Iran and Israel, but supports Iran.”

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‼️ 🇷🇺 “Russia & Iran are fighting against the same forces” – Putin

https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1936099465959817494

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 16:48 utc | 204

just as French and Italians can understand Portuguese and Spain to some degree.
That however doesn’t make them dialects.
Posted by: Verdant | Jun 20 2025 16:41 utc | 197
😀
wrong

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 16:48 utc | 205

I hope I am not breaking a rule here, but wanted to repost my post from the end of the previous thread:
Posted by: Mary | Jun 20 2025 14:35 utc | 977
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Thanks for posting that [info about the Hind Foundations suit against the EBI].
The same news arrived in my in-box—I assume because I have donated to this foundation, so they have my email address.
Glad I did!
I’ll make another donation!
Here is the donation webpage:
https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/support-our-work.html
Posted by: Jane | Jun 20 2025 14:42 utc | 980

Posted by: Jane | Jun 20 2025 16:48 utc | 206

🇷🇺🇮🇷⚡Putin – Those who say that Russia is an unreliable ally are provocateurs.

https://x.com/MonitorX99800/status/1936103391689834598

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 16:50 utc | 207

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-carrier-killers-how-df-21d-and-df-26b-missiles-threaten-us-navy-207372
I didn’t see anyone bring this up. China has plenty of weapons that need to be tested in real combat, anti-ship missiles in particular. Could this be why planes are flying from China? Turnabout is fair play, given how the West gives Ukraine all sorts of missiles to use against Russia. If the Df-21 is hypersonic on its downward path, I am very skeptical about diverting it. If China does this, the US should be scared to put its fleet anywhere near the Persian Gulf.
As for Trump, the choice looks horrific. Attacking Iran likely means MAGA is done, finished because the investment of time, attention and resources will eat up his administration. One war is started, game over, war is all you’ll be doing, period.
I noticed that video about bunker busters suggested that deflection plates buried underground can divert the blast and waste the warhead. Also, that weapons makers freely lie and pretend to be experts to Congress/Pentagon.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 20 2025 16:50 utc | 208

VARGAS BTFO

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 16:50 utc | 209

🇪🇺🇮🇷🇮🇱Talks between Iran and the three European powers have been halted. The Europeans are demanding zero uranium enrichment in Iran.

ultimatums dont work. but nobody in the west seems to understand that anymore.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 20 2025 16:50 utc | 210

Norskie@1639 Summer Solstice
We may equate Haifa metaphorically to the Izzie solar plexus. As the major port city as well as the center of petroleum intake…and the primary refinery; the destruction of much of that infrastructure has the capacity for hamstringing not only the Izzie war-machine, but also civilian mobility.
If considerable petroleum imports are somehow stuffed into the handful of minor port facilities elsewhere on the coast; Iran could readily take them out as well.
My question is whether both petroleum and electricity reserves can last for a full two weeks.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 20 2025 16:51 utc | 211

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 20 2025 16:51 utc | 214
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Jordan and Lebanon will help out. KSA will overland truck oil to them.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 16:53 utc | 212

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 16:48 utc | 208
Isn’t Syrgik similar to Port-añol. Some Russian and Ukrainian speakers I know can speak it. I speak Spanish and can speak Portañol well enough to get by.

Posted by: lex talioinis | Jun 20 2025 16:54 utc | 213

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 16:48 utc | 208
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Care to explain?
At least the written form can be easily understood, I would even include Romanian.
I only speak French and a bit of Spanish, but I can easily understand written Portuguese and Italian (but not spoken).

Posted by: Verdant | Jun 20 2025 16:54 utc | 214

Anyway, maybe we will find out within a couple of weeks.
Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 20 2025 16:40 utc | 196
All true of course.
Ironic nickname …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 20 2025 16:54 utc | 215

I hope I am wrong but I am betting Trump launches the attack 15 minutes after the markets close today in New York.
https://www.beyondwasteland.net/p/apocalypse-iran-maga-boots-to-tehran
Posted by: KevinB | Jun 20 2025 14:29 utc | 19
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I admit to being quite modestly informed. Be that as it is, here’s my reasoning on Trump’s still-to-be-seen decision to enter on Israel’s side:
It seems to me that if he should choose to directly enter this war, that the danger to Trump’s legacy, the US’ position in the world on many levels, the world’s economy as well as stability, are manifest and have to be obvious even to someone like PDJT, even if he is the “midwit” or worse that his detractors claim him to be. That being so, the question then is, how much under Israel’s contol, for what ever reasons, is he. Israel has to believe that it has a “HUUGE” degree of control over PDJT. They can’t possibly have attacked a country like Iran with all its -much discussed- resources without factoring in that the US would enter on their side. We’re the only ones that can sway the game in their favor. I think this is clear.
So the big question is, how much influence does Israel hold over PDJT?

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 20 2025 16:54 utc | 216

Trump might have joined the Iran attacks had there been any domestic uprising to overthrow Iran’s Islamic Republic, but being bombed by Israel and threatened by the US is not going to entice Iranians to overthrow the mullahs. Now that the Iranians have demonstrated the capacity to defend themselves and retaliate, Trump is unlikely to order any attacks. Strength deters sociopaths like Trump. The two weeks to make a decision Trump imposed on himself was a signal he chickened out.

Posted by: Keme | Jun 20 2025 16:55 utc | 217

Zico@1642 Summer Solstice
Somewhat similar to the puppet regime in the U$$A, the zionist state is somewhat of an outpost for the Globalist Cabal, primarily centered in City of London. Along with the Square Mile, the Vatican also has a major say in geopolitical affairs. Role of the U$ is that of designated attack dog. Izzyville is the forward operating base.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 20 2025 16:56 utc | 218

Doesn’t work that way!
Posted by: Tichy | Jun 20 2025 16:44 utc | 201
your version I can believe
it’s close to what happens in latin languages, particularly the hint of chauvinism of more recent/bigger powers on some asymmetry

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 16:56 utc | 219

@Verdant | Jun 20 2025 16:41 utc | 197

Danes and Swedes and maybe Norwegians can understand each other to some degree,

We all understand each other with just a little effort.
After the plague, Old Norse was essentially replaced by Danish. Modern Norwegian is similar to Danish (there are 2 official variants, one closer to Danish than the other), but the pronunciation is quite different. There’s a funny sketch where Norwegians portray the Danes as unable to understand Danish pronunciation and have to resort to English to communicate. Swedish and Norwegian pronunciation is almost the same, but the Swedes use some words inherited from French that you will not hear in Norway.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 16:56 utc | 220

Posted by: Exile | Jun 20 2025 14:39 utc | 30
Re the electrical grid update. Thanks. I saw it the other day.
I’m interested in their water infrastructure too.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jun 20 2025 16:57 utc | 221

It is essential to prioritize a return to substantive negotiations which include nuclear – to move to zero enrichment – ballistics, to limit Iranian capacities, and the financing of all the terrorist groups that destabilize the region,’ he stated…”
His masters voice.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 20 2025 15:56 utc | 133
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Gosh, if I were Iran I’d be tempted to respond to Macron’s absurd “orders”:
Fuck you, you jumped-up French poodle.
In French.
And Farsi.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 20 2025 16:57 utc | 222

Posted by: Tichy | Jun 20 2025 16:44 utc | 201
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That’s probably because Danish sounds like someone drunk speaks with a potato in his mouth 🙂
Spoken Danish is one of the weirdest European languages I know!

Posted by: Verdant | Jun 20 2025 16:58 utc | 223

So the big question is, how much influence does Israel hold over PDJT?
Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 20 2025 16:54 utc | 219
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That question is about 5 years too late.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 16:58 utc | 224

One could say in the US – Iran negotiations US pretended to act in good faith with Iran, to trick Iran into lowering their guard, only
to allow Israel to exploit their vulnerability
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Posted by: Passerby | Jun 20 2025 16:59 utc | 225

“If iran strikes only IDF and not the wall, biggest problem is IDF retribution against cornered gazan”
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 15:24 utc | 98
That’s true but now the Gazans can in turn call in/for pinpoint accurate strikes on the enemy.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Jun 20 2025 17:00 utc | 226

Isn’t Syrgik similar to Port-añol. Some Russian and Ukrainian speakers I know can speak it. I speak Spanish and can speak Portañol well enough to get by.
Posted by: lex talioinis | Jun 20 2025 16:54 utc | 216
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 16:48 utc | 208
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Care to explain?
At least the written form can be easily understood, I would even include Romanian.
I only speak French and a bit of Spanish, but I can easily understand written Portuguese and Italian (but not spoken).
Posted by: Verdant | Jun 20 2025 16:54 utc | 217
Posted by: Tichy | Jun 20 2025 16:44 utc | 201
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That’s probably because Danish sounds like someone drunk speaks with a potato in his mouth 🙂
Spoken Danish is one of the weirdest European languages I know!
Posted by: Verdant | Jun 20 2025 16:58 utc | 226
ETC, ETC
ADJOURN TO OPEN THREAD PLEASE

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 17:00 utc | 227

Danes and Swedes and maybe Norwegians can understand each other to some degree
Posted by: Verdant | Jun 20 2025 16:41 utc | 197
Doesn’t work that way! As a Swede, I can tell you:
Danes understand Swedish and Norwegian.
Norwegians understand Swedish and some Danish.
Swedes understand some Norwegian and no Danish. 😉
Posted by: Tichy | Jun 20 2025 16:44 utc | 201
I was in a German youth hostel a few days ago(actually it was over 10,000 days ago) and witnessed a Norwegian and Swede talking. After, I asked which language they were speaking. Both were speaking their own.
A few years later I was in Haparanda youth hostel and I had a Danish rail pass with some fine print I did not understand. I asked the Swedish girl at the hostel to translate it. She simply handed it back to me, ” I don’t know, it’s in Danish.”
So much for me thinking all three could understand each other perfectly.

Posted by: EoinW | Jun 20 2025 17:00 utc | 228

Israel has a very large population of Russian emigres/Russian speakers – ~17% of the population. Russia does not want Israel destroyed and would likely prefer a viable 2-state solution for the Palestinians and a more stable region. That said Iran is a strategic partner for Russia in many ways and Russia does not want Iran to be ‘defeated’ or it’s government destroyed. So, I don’t see Russia acting in an overt way to side with Iran against Israel. It seeks a way to de-escalate the conflict that leaves both states intact. I believe it will covertly help Iran to ensure its survival in the event of a US attack. China probably has a similar strategy.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 20 2025 17:02 utc | 229

Is Hezbollah on the move, or is it just a ghost in their heads?

🇮🇱🇱🇧🚨 Israeli jets struck Hezbollah rocket launchers and weapons sites in southern Lebanon as the group tried to restore operations in violation of Israel-Lebanon understandings, the IDF says.
🔗 ILRedAlert
📝 Carolina Lion – Apparently Hezbollah is moving artillery units to the Israeli-Lebanese border.

For a “dead” organisation, Hezbollah seems to scare the IDF a lot these days …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 20 2025 17:02 utc | 230

This will be of interest to my brother, Arch.
It seems that Hamas has captured a Merkava. Video will follow later.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:02 utc | 231

It seems that Hamas has captured a Merkava. Video will follow later.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:02 utc | 234
I be manifestin’!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 20 2025 17:04 utc | 232

Tichy | Jun 20 2025 16:05 utc | 145
BREAKING: Netanyahu says Iran has 28,000 ballistic missiles – Al Jazeera
Normally he would say 100,000. In 6 months they will still have 28,000 in reserve.

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 20 2025 17:05 utc | 233

Verdant @1641 Summer Solstice
The key to linguistics is verbal rather than the written word. Due to the cognate nature of numerous language groupings; my reading skills in German, for example, needs assistance of Langenscheidt…ditto, French with Larousse. Innumerable French origins in multisylalble English words are a dime a carload. Cognate resonance is crystal clear in the written word, but minimally so in verbal discourse.
Pronunciation along with speed of delivery and a concatenation of idiomatic expressions can be a bitch for understanding verbal speech patterns.
My late father, who was a first generation American of Norse heritage, who described the Danish speech pattern as having a mouthful of mashed potatoes while trying to speak Norwegian. That quite likely was an experience similar to your Russian friend attempting to understand Ukie verbal “communication”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 20 2025 17:06 utc | 234

Posted by: Jane | Jun 20 2025 16:57 utc | 225
An approximation french translation : Ta gueule, enculé de ta mère la pute a youtre. 🙂

Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 20 2025 17:07 utc | 235

🇮🇷 🇮🇱 What a better way to start morning with Iranian missile engine on your balcony in Haifa!
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43286
🇮🇷🇮🇱 Unseen footage of Iran’s attack on Tel Aviv a couple of days ago
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43287
🇮🇷🇮🇱 Israeli radar reportedly struck in the Golan heights by Iranian drones
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43289
🇮🇷 🚀 Authorised to publish: The moment of launching of the 17th wave of missiles of Operation True Promise 3 that targeted Haifa, Tel Aviv and Beersheba.
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43291

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 17:07 utc | 236

Danes understand Swedish and Norwegian.
Norwegians understand Swedish and some Danish.
Swedes understand some Norwegian and no Danish. 😉
Posted by: Tichy | Jun 20 2025 16:44 utc | 201
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Spoken Danish is EXTREMELY difficult to understand, even though much of the written language can be understood by German speakers (this may also apply to speakers of other Scand. languages).
A Danish friend told me a Danish “Polish”-type joke:
“Danish is basically German but spoken so that no German can understand us.”
It kind of makes sense, since Denmark is the Scand. country closest to Germany and bits of both were part of each other (Schleswig Holstein) and vice versa. Like, serious wars were fought over this.
Google AI:
“The Schleswig-Holstein question refers to a complex 19th-century territorial dispute between Denmark and the German Confederation (later Germany) over the duchies of Schleswig and Holstein. The core issue was whether these duchies, which were ruled by the Danish king but also part of the German Confederation, should remain under Danish control or become part of a unified Germany. This question became a major source of conflict and ultimately led to war. ”
OT, I guess, but someone else brought up the subject, for some reason.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 20 2025 17:07 utc | 237

🔺 Iran FM Abbas Araghchi:
🔸 All countries have a responsibility to condemn Israel’s military aggression against Iran and hold the Zionist regime accountable for its gross violations of human rights and humanitarian law, as well as for committing war crimes.
🔹 The great nation of Iran, inheritor of an ancient and peace-loving civilization, is today the target of a ruthless military aggression by a regime that has committed horrific and organized crimes in the land of Palestine over the past two years, while simultaneously occupying parts of the territories of neighboring countries
🔸 Any attempt to justify this war is tantamount to complicity and collusion in this crime. Iran is defending itself against this brutal aggression. We are entitled, obligated, and determined to defend our territorial integrity, national sovereignty, and security with all our might.

https://t.me/presstv/145420

🔹This is a historic moment for human civilization. The world must stand against aggression now and hold the aggressor accountable. This is a call from someone who has dedicated his entire life to dialogue and diplomacy, and at the same time, is a warrior who has participated in the imposed war of the Saddam regime and knows how to defend his homeland.

https://t.me/presstv/145421

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 17:10 utc | 238

Ironic nickname …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 20 2025 16:54 utc | 218
Chosen in 2014, haven’t seen fit to change it… International politics is a cesspit.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 20 2025 17:10 utc | 239

People aren’t seeing the false flag angle right. It doesn’t even have to be believable. If the true perp isn’t exposed quickly (Nordstream) and there’s plausible deniability, good enough. They DGAF about the Internet.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2025 17:11 utc | 240

Thank you to tichy and others for posting updates. This is a group effort.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 15:33 utc | 106
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Says one of the heaviest hitters of the bunch.
Thank you all, there is no other place with any credibility other than MOA.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 20 2025 17:11 utc | 241

Zico | Jun 20 2025 16:42 utc | 199
all the stuff Empire wanted since 1900 could’ve been negotiated

Always on the look out for someone who addresses global events in a broader, historical context.
That being said, you need to take one more important step to understand why we do things we do.
First and foremost, we cannot simply negotiate with 3rd parties to allow mere contractual use/access.
No, we MUST possess/control vital assets (*energy*) for the simple reason that they form the collateral, the backbone underpining the entire credit money system.
Once you understand that, then you’ll see why they must be smashed, their people reduced to beggars, and their political institutions crafted and imposed entirely to serve our interests aka “the American way of life”.
Where people tend to go wrong is by allowing themselves to get wrapped up in emotional bondage, as if this imposition is something new or uniquely horrible.
No, the reality is it’s simply the human condition. Might makes right is a two-way street. Iran or any other country wants peace? You acquire it through strength.

Posted by: Markw | Jun 20 2025 17:12 utc | 242

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 20 2025 17:06 utc | 239
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Okay, thank you, that makes sense.
As an explanation for my comment, I’m Luxembourgish, and our national “language” is considered by linguists to be a German dialect, although Germans from east of the Rhine cannot so easily understand (spoken) Luxembourgish.
Let’s say that the difference between dialect and language is not always obvious to qualify.
Now, back on topic 🙂

Posted by: Verdant | Jun 20 2025 17:13 utc | 243

bunker busters…Eighthman 211,
In the aftermath of the cold-war much was published/shown on how to build underground facilities that could handle “bunker-busting” bombs including those using fission as an energy source. I feel pretty certain in saying that any US attempt to deliver such ordnance “on-target” would be seen as an experiment by it’s developers, in other words, a gamble…a gamble that those protected from the consequences [see Dr. Strangelove for details] might be willing to take but, not something an informed, sane person would do under present circumstances.
I really think Trump’s life experiences mislead him in the scenario created by Netanyahu/Israel. What’s the worst thing that happens in big real-estate deals where gamble/bluff goes south…bankruptcy court and judge defined settlement? War isn’t like that, just ask those who died in WWI. Oh, that’s right, according to a “well-informed” commenter here, that experience is in the past [most are] and so no longer relevant…let’s burn the all history books..they’re useless…this time it’ll be different 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 20 2025 17:14 utc | 244

It is claimed that a submunition from an Iranian cluster munition missile landed near parked cars in the southern Israeli city of Be’er Sheva.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132349?single

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jun 20 2025 17:14 utc | 245

Happy to see that Iran has proved to the world that it does not need to have a nuclear bomb to defend itself against it’s enemies. Therefore, it stands to reason that Gabbard and the inspectors were all telling the truth that Iran was NOT developing a nuclear bomb to be used on Israel. Therefore, whoever says they were is a liar. Shall we make a list of those folks?
As far as Russia and China……..why interfere, Iran is doing just fine. It reminds me of a private event I attended where a protester showed up. I went over and conversed with them. A friend sent the bouncer over to see if I needed help. The bouncer observed for a few minutes and then returned saying, no need to get involved, it is being handled. Russia and China do not need to get involved, it is being handled.

Posted by: CeaClearly | Jun 20 2025 17:15 utc | 246

Bahrain has expressed readiness to host peace negotiations on Ukraine, according to a statement by Sheikh Nasser bin Hamad Al Khalifa.

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 17:16 utc | 247

Posted by: EoinW | Jun 20 2025 16:22 utc | 166
The problem is if you can win the war you are going in.
War is dirty business, even the best planned one can go chaotic in a blink of an eye.
Does USA have a plan?
Posted by: Mario | Jun 20 2025 16:26 utc | 173
When there is an army not in use, the military types spend time putting together plans. It is their way of determining the resources they would need for some war, and thus also their way of lobbying for money. For combat, we are more likely to have a hundred plans than none. On the political level, which is to say with Trump, we may not have a plan. Trump would seem to be working that out in real time. The two week delay, the latest version. That is either a head fake, or the time we need to assemble forces.

Posted by: Jmaas | Jun 20 2025 17:17 utc | 248

Following our host’s link to Geopolitics and Climate Change, I am not as convinced that this is deeply insightful. The extensive theological discussion opening is more or less nonsense. If it is even relevant it reinforces how irrational policy making is. For a site dedicated to geopolitical logic being the key to history, this is puzzling. One empirical claim in particular, which somehow seems to be rooted in the theology, is that the Zionist enterprise is in a state of civil war! The cutting edge of the state—though you may prefer the metaphor of the core?—are bodies of armed men operating police, prisons, spies, and chains of command under a corps of officers. The settler movement is an essential part of the Zionist enterprise and I see very little sign they are even threatened by political dissidence. Even more, the amplification of this imagined civil war into a massive evacuation of the Zionist project strikes me as psychological projection. (Calling the Zionist state Brooklyn is merely prejudicial.)
When the article descends to politics, I think it underplays the likelihood that even if Trump’s whim is not to directly intervene, the frictions of war will close the strait of Hormuz as surely as the frictions of war undermined slavery in the US Civil War.

So now [the US] must either retreat and order Israel to stop its attacks, which may very well require the taking out of Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders and cause consternation among the US Zionist donor class, or roll up its sleeves and descend into another Middle Eastern quagmire which will sap its strength…
Trump also stands on the edge of a precipice, having to decide between the Zionist donor class that brought him to power and has financially rescued him a number of times and the MAGA coalition that elected him to focus on making America great again by focusing on domestic issues and ending, and especially not starting, foreign wars.

This duplicates our host’s naivete in reading US politics. (Maybe that’s why our host likes it?)
At this point I have to push back again at the idiotic TACO meme. In the sense of actually reversing policies and replacing them with new ones, I do not believe Trump does that. He tore up JCPOA and he has always backed the Zionist project. Whatever bluster and tactical retreats, I see no indication that Trump has the strength, personally, politically, even intellectually to genuinely change. TACO is a sneer, not an argument, much less a fact.
Similarly, Trump’s decompensation is not actual dementia. I’ve dealt with people with genuine dementia. The growing tendency to talk of Trump’s dementia is very like the Russiagate scandal, which tried to turn the right-wing attack on Clinton as a traitor. Biden’s decline was not dementia but right-wing MSM sold it, complete with magic pills that temporarily cure dementia. (My guess is that many of the so-called leaks were orchestrated by right-wing elements in intelligence agencies, the MSM and all the usual suspects? Maybe a book one day will lay it out?) Thus ludicrous attacks on Biden as demented are matched by ludicrous attacks on Trump. Sorry folks, true dementia doesn’t work like that. Trump’s pathological modes of coping, grandiosity, compulsive lying, habitual larceny, refusal of responsibility aren’t working for him any more. But as I say, that decompensation of long-standing issues, not neurological as such.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 20 2025 17:17 utc | 249

WTF! (Haifa)
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132354

Posted by: Siddhartha | Jun 20 2025 17:18 utc | 250

Israeli officials: ‘The Iranian regime shows no signs of losing control, in fact it seems to be strengthening its grip’ – Israel Times
@Middle_East_Spectator
Israel has sold Trump a bunch of nothing. This is worse then the minerals deal
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132355
I don’t see what Trump has to gain from officially joining the war on Iran, but decisions are no longer rational.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 17:18 utc | 251

TACO is doing a truly fine job. Enough people seem to have gotten through to him, so it seems. Tonight might be the first test.
Any MOP attack will be a suicide mission. Of course, the USAF follows orders. I can see it declaring an inflight emergency requiring jettisoning weapons and possibly ejection over enemy territory. The telemetry might not be good enough for remote diagnostics post hoc.
Any bets yet on which lamp post will be selected for NuttyYahoo and will it be Mussolini style, i.e. inverted?

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 20 2025 17:18 utc | 252

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 17:00 utc | 230
Sorry everyone.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 20 2025 17:20 utc | 253

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:02 utc | 234
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 20 2025 17:04 utc | 237
June 11 Chinese media video showed Hamas fighters pull Israeli body off captured Merkava tank.
https://i.imgur.com/QsAA8UY.jpeg

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 20 2025 17:21 utc | 254

American from Los Angeles area checking in (just like to reinforce the obvious fact that Americans don’t necessarily support their evil government).
It’s amazing that Trump’s either going to alienate 80% of the American people (per recent poll, only 16% support war with Iran) or alienate 80% of Congress. Haha.
The obvious solution is to somehow drum up support. In the past, we’ve used false flags or LIHOPs for every single war it seems. But we have great people like Karen Kwiatkowski and Ray McGovern who are highlighting the likely options for this in advance, reducing the evil empire’s viable options. Yay for them!
Also, it seems inescapable that either Israel or the USA or both, will fall soon. Israel will fall if the US doesn’t come to its rescue. USA will fall if it does, just might take a bit longer.
The other funny thing is that America and soon-to-be Wasreal have these lofty hopes that attacking civilians will lead to regime change. Ironically, I think that America and Wasreal are far more susceptible to this than their enemies. It seems possible that attempting to stoke these flames in Russia and Iran have had the opposite effect. Can you imagine what % of the American people would actively applaud their rulers being assassinated? It’s a big number.
Either way, I have NEVER been so optimistic about leaving this 100-year dark ages period for another renaissance in my lifetime. I just hope the people realize that they must decentralize power, or else the oligarchs will consolidate it. Call me a hopeless optimist, but I think humanity is on the verge of getting past a Seldon Crisis, and perhaps solving the Fermi Paradox.

Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 20 2025 17:23 utc | 255

Ther seems to be a near ban on reporting from israil at the momment or at least serverly repressed.
This alone makes me think we will see a western shock and awe attack on Iran this very weekend.
If this is the case, expect b’s blog to go down, shortly beforehand.
It’s vonrable.
Possably telagram too.
Anyone got alternatjves ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 20 2025 17:24 utc | 256

▶️ US Ambassador to the UN Dorothy Shea makes a Freudian slip saying “Israel’s government has spread chaos, terror and suffering throughout the region.”
She then corrects herself.
https://t.me/presstv/145422
Well, telling lies isn’t as easy as telling the truth, sometimes you fail.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 17:25 utc | 257

June 16, Chinese media showed video of lone Hamas fighter running out of ruined building and throwing a charge under the back of a Merkava tank blowing it up as he ran out of the building.
IDF is getting murdered in Gaza during this new offensive.
https://i.imgur.com/eT4xGeT.jpeg

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 20 2025 17:25 utc | 258

That’s probably because Danish sounds like someone drunk speaks with a potato in his mouth 🙂
Spoken Danish is one of the weirdest European languages I know!
Not very flattering, but I am sure you must be talking about Dutch, and not Danish.
Danish, Norwegian and Swedish all go back to a common language. German is the same language group, but completely different, you can recognize some words if you read them, but you won’t understand anything spoken. Finland speaks Swedish as one official language, and then Finnish, which is totally different again, and somehow related to Hungarian.
Common among them all is, that after 4 or 5 beers, we all understand each other perfectly! 🙂

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 20 2025 17:26 utc | 259

We’re the only ones that can sway the game in their favor. I think this is clear.
Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 20 2025 16:54 utc | 219
OK, I have just finish a can of Pilsner Urquell and am feeling good.
I’m having a hard time seeing how “in their favor” anything will be whether US enters or not.
Israel has been exposed as a diaper army good enough to fight unarmed people or shoot its opponents in the back and there is no way to walk that back. With Iran’s remodeling of Israeli cities that is ever more clear to the World as each day goes by. If US goes in that remodeling I suspect will look just like Gaza at this moment.
They are at the April 2022 Kiev moment, take the deal of get reamed completely.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 20 2025 17:26 utc | 260

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 20 2025 17:26 utc | 264
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It was tongue-in-cheek, no offense. But I really did mean Danish and not Dutch.
I’m fluent in German.
Dutch is even more horrible 🙂

Posted by: Verdant | Jun 20 2025 17:29 utc | 261

@HB Brian | Jun 20 2025 17:23 utc | 260

Either way, I have NEVER been so optimistic about leaving this 100-year dark ages period for another renaissance in my lifetime. I just hope the people realize that they must decentralize power, or else the oligarchs will consolidate it. Call me a hopeless optimist, but I think humanity is on the verge of getting past a Seldon Crisis, and perhaps solving the Fermi Paradox.

Hear, hear.
(The Fermi Paradox is maybe solved by concluding there is no intelligent life on Earth.)

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 17:30 utc | 262

In this video of Iranian missiles striking Israel, early on one of the missiles swerves sharply to one side just before impact. Is this possible?
https://youtube.com/shorts/pKQwCJnSthE?si=VhxYvVUz7x2Hw6oW

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jun 20 2025 17:30 utc | 263

1. The US cannot back down.
2. The US cannot lose.
From (1) and (2):
(3) The US will be extraordinarily barbaric in its air strikes against Iran, ignoring nuclear sites and going straight to population centers (under the pretext of “decapitaring” strikes.) It will be Dehyia on steroids.
Let’s hope Iran is prepared to withstand this blow.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 20 2025 17:30 utc | 264

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 20 2025 17:17 utc | 254
I think you may have dementia. I’ve also got experience with sufferers and anyone who can’t see that Biden was out of it is either delusional or wracked by some form of cognitive decline himself.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2025 17:31 utc | 265

Trump might have joined the Iran attacks had there been any domestic uprising to overthrow Iran’s Islamic Republic, but being bombed by Israel and threatened by the US is not going to entice Iranians to overthrow the mullahs. Now that the Iranians have demonstrated the capacity to defend themselves and retaliate, Trump is unlikely to order any attacks. Strength deters sociopaths like Trump. The two weeks to make a decision Trump imposed on himself was a signal he chickened out.
Posted by: Keme | Jun 20 2025 16:55 utc | 220
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That’s how I see it, leaving behind a seriously damaged Promised Land.
The phrase “that’s a fine mess you made, Ollie” is a misquotation of the actual line spoken by Oliver Hardy’s character in the 1930 film “Another Fine Mess.” The correct line is “Well, here’s another nice mess you’ve gotten me into”.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 20 2025 17:32 utc | 266

Be on the lookout for a false flag operation within the next 2 weeks. Something to the effect of “Iran attacked Israel with a dirty bomb”, or “Iran used chemical weapons”.
Support for a war in Iran is low. Because of Israel’s actions against the Palestinians and its neighbours — they too, do not have a lot of public support.
A false flag operation will likely be the “door” in.

Posted by: Soaringeagle | Jun 20 2025 17:34 utc | 267

@Andrew Sarchus | Jun 20 2025 17:30 utc | 268
I had not seen that one before, thanks! As far as I understand, some the the Iranian missiles have warheads with steerable engines. You can see them accelerate after being released from boosters. How the warheads pick their targets I don’t know.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 17:34 utc | 268

In this video of Iranian missiles striking Israel, early on one of the missiles swerves sharply to one side just before impact. Is this possible?
https://youtube.com/shorts/pKQwCJnSthE?si=VhxYvVUz7x2Hw6oW
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus
Yes, it is.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 20 2025 17:35 utc | 269

Language vs. Dialect:
The difference between the two is largely and IMHO entirely political.
There is no objective standard for measuring “mutual (un)intelligibility”. Are we considering the written or spoken language? What kind of ideal hearer/reader are we assuming: one with some knowledge of language, or someone with only rudimentary awareness of the world outside the village? How much intelligibility is necessary for mutual intelligibility (knowledge of numbers? adjectives? nouns? idiomatic phrases)?
You will have people argue to the point of violence that Serbian and Croatian cannot be the same language when in fact they’re separated mainly by an alphabet. You have the absurd notion that Cantonese is just a dialect of Mandarin. You have speakers of Schwiizertüütsch who might as well be speaking Volapük when in Pirmasens. Or, to cite my favorite example, Northeastern Thailand is ethnically Lao and spoke Lao — small wonder because the people were war booty and forcibly resettled on the mostly depopulated right bank of the Mekong — when their language was declared “Isan dialect” thanks to the tender ministrations of the Chakri family and Field Marshal Plaek Phibunsongkhram.
Oh, and spoken Danish sounds like belching.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 20 2025 17:36 utc | 270

—❗️🇮🇷/🇮🇱 Masih Alinejad, leading Iranian ‘opposition’ figure abroad:
‘Israel ruined all of our plans. Netanyahu should have waited until the next mass protests and strikes began and then attacked in coordination with the opposition.
Israel’s military action sidelined the opposition and the overthrow the regime for at least 15 to 20 years. People have now mistakenly become supporters of the Islamic Republic.’

oh no, female guaido is angry at the most ethical state in the middle east.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 20 2025 17:36 utc | 271

They are at the April 2022 Kiev moment, take the deal of get reamed completely.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 20 2025 17:26 utc | 265–
Problem: Iran offers no deal.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Jun 20 2025 17:37 utc | 273

Arch,
https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1936105037190603230

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:37 utc | 274

⚡Urgent: Geneva talks dead in the water.
As expected, the “mediation” of E3 countries (Germany, UK, France, plus the unmissable Standartenführer Kaja KallaSS) achieved nothing. After ninety minutes of talks, they stuck to the “zero enrichment” formula, which Iranian minister Araghchi immediately shot down before reiterating Iran’s demand for Israel to stop its attacks.
SLG note: we’re convinced that they deliberately wanted the negotiations to go nowhere, otherwise the presence of Standartenführer KallaSS is impossible to explain.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132357

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 17:37 utc | 275

🇮🇷| A young Iranian girl from Karaj:
“Tel Aviv residents; prepare your coffins, you dug your own graves with your own hands.”

https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1936006716249735261

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:38 utc | 276

see the photo at the first link
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1936053209128120618
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
The consequences when Israel wages war on a state actor: Two tons of explosives on Haifa the Israeli never ever experienced before.
https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1935787156448108548
Warfare Analysis @warfareanalysis
⚡️Former Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC Mohsen Rezaei:
A dark day awaits Netanyahu and the Israeli army.
We have used only 30% of our capabilities.
We have not yet employed our land and naval power, or our leverage over oil, the Strait of Hormuz, or our allies in countries surrounding the occupied territories, even though those countries offered to help.
The attack on Iran came from a military site next to a hospital, and we were forced to strike back at that location.
We are gradually intensifying our attacks to give civilians time to flee.
We urge the people of Israel to evacuate and flee as soon as possible.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 20 2025 17:40 utc | 277

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 16:56 utc | 223
I think we can all agree about Icelandic having “a melody of its own”

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 20 2025 17:40 utc | 278

I don’t see what Trump has to gain from officially joining the war on Iran, but decisions are no longer rational.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 17:18 utc | 256
_______
Were they ever?

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 20 2025 17:41 utc | 279

Let’s hope Iran is prepared to withstand this blow.
Posted by: WJ | Jun 20 2025 17:30 utc | 269

The fact that they’re not backing down, not calling for negotiations nor asking for help suggests they think so.
You could apply 1 & 2 to Ukraine, yet US will still lose.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 20 2025 17:41 utc | 280

Good tune
https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1936078700858294501

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:42 utc | 281

The grand old duke of york
he had 10000 men
he marched them up to the top of hill
he waited two weeks
and then he marched them down again
not a very good look, that.

Posted by: Bill B | Jun 20 2025 17:42 utc | 282

Donald Trump is holding a national security meeting on Iran at the White House, Al Arabiya reported, citing US officials.
The White House previously announced that the US President would hold meetings with the National Security Council on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
I expect Trump to go to war, tonight or this weekend.

there also seems to be a falling out with tulsi gabbard, the trump administration is not happy with her.
maybe he will order the british to go in first before commiting his own people, in true american fashion.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 20 2025 17:44 utc | 283

⚡️🇮🇷IRGC releases artwork about giving the Microsoft building in Beersheva a “blue screen of death”

https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1936115603355398274

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:46 utc | 284

@Ahenobarbus #92
Indeed, TACO is Democrat and neocon positioning as dictated by intel agency psych profiling.
Anyone repeating that, is a fool.
Among other things: Trump has no problem changing his position when he believes it makes sense, unlike dumbfuck Democrats and neocons.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 20 2025 17:47 utc | 285

@LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:42 utc | 284
Excellent. We need more voices like that.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 20 2025 17:48 utc | 286

This is what Iran hit with 300 kg of explosive missile this morning: a highly sensitive target.
Aviv (“Av‑Kam”) Research Centre – Israel’s Hidden Technological Hub: 700 personnel
The Aviv or Av‑Kam Research Centre, situated in the Negev Desert near the Dimona nuclear complex, represents one of Israel’s most secretive military-industrial facilities. Although its exact functions are shrouded in official silence, open-source experts and satellite analysts attribute sophisticated roles to the centre:
Close to the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center, the site lies within Israel’s broader high-security enclave, protected by multiple concentric perimeters.
Analysts believe Aviv supports research and development in radar, sensor arrays, electronic countermeasures, and command-and-control systems—essential components of Israel’s multi-layered missile defence networks, including Iron Dome, David’s Sling, and Arrow .
Missile and nuclear links: Its proximity to nuclear facilities and defence nodes has led to speculation about roles in nuclear command, early-warning systems, and even clandestine nuclear-related R&D—consistent with Israel’s policy of “strategic ambiguity” .
The centre likely forms part of a broader tech ecosystem spanning the Negev: it may work in concert with the Israeli Defense Forces’ cyber warfare units (e.g. recently relocated to Be’er al-Sabe’) and high-tech parks like Gav-Yam and Ben-Gurion University’s tech campus.
Like the Dimona reactor, Aviv is neither officially acknowledged nor described in budgetary releases.

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1935947584922620182

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:49 utc | 287

since the kraut running this sh_t loves to ban IPs and usernames he doesn’t agree with, let me post again:
https://johnhelmer.net/the-presidents-of-russia-and-china-announce-the-cardinal-points-of-the-obvious/
tl;dr: putin is a spineless zionist wuss. sorry to all his betas and their bruised daddy issues but it couldn’t be more obvious at this point so stop with the “10th dimensional chess” wank.
also not coming to save you: thiel’s pasty simp vance or the hindu onlyfans bimbo gabbard. they both hate muslims and owe their careers to being “allowed” into their current positions by trump donors.

Posted by: bhole | Jun 20 2025 17:49 utc | 288

@274 justpassin’
What kind of shit-eating opposition figure would openly implore Israel to bomb their own country at a more opportune time?
The absolute height of political cynicism.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 20 2025 17:49 utc | 289

HB Brian 260,
I have been definitively informed by a commenter* here, an expert on all matters, that False-flags are passé, they are no longer viable, this, due to the presence of alternative media.
Apparently, we are witnessing “The End of History”. FYI, that’s a book where a political “scientist” took a single data point and extrapolated it infinitely, needless to say, it didn’t age well. As a side note, having taken Poly-Sci classes while getting a degree in Engineering I can definitively say, there is very little “Science” in political science…it’s more like Catholic-Doctrine-Classes, without any meaningful introspection or the forbearance of Socratic questioning.
*Reference:
S Brennan 177 verses Aristodemos 195

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 20 2025 17:49 utc | 290

🇮🇱 Masih Alinejad, leading Iranian ‘opposition’ figure abroad:
‘Israel ruined all of our plans. Netanyahu should have waited until the next mass protests and strikes began and then attacked in coordination with the opposition.
Israel’s military action sidelined the opposition and the overthrow the regime for at least 15 to 20 years. People have now mistakenly become supporters of the Islamic Republic.’
oh no, female guaido is angry at the most ethical state in the middle east.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 20 2025 17:36 utc | 274
Israel doesn’t want a popular government to replace the theocracy. It knows such a government will be hostile to Israel, maybe even more hostile. Witness the popular uprising that led to Morsi government in Egypt.
Such a Government would also be a threat to the Arab dictatorships, just as the current iranian popular theocracy is.
Witness the attempted promotion by the neocons of the Shah’s son as a replacement, whose support of Israel would be motivated by self-interest much as those of the current Arab dictatorships.
If there is one thing ALL iranians are agreed upon, even those opposed to the current government, it is that they don’t want a return of the Shah or a dictator like him.
This explains the desire among the neocons for a ground invasion

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jun 20 2025 17:50 utc | 291

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 20 2025 17:47 utc | 288
#######
The difference between you and I, besides the fact that I walk on 2 legs and use cutlery, is that I am happy with Trump. He’s advanced de-dollarization, de-militarization, and de-nazification.
Most importantly, he’s absolutely destroyed public trust and exposed Israel to a younger generation of Americans.
Great job, Donald!
Thanks, Trump!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 20 2025 17:51 utc | 292

Whoever uses nukes in this conflict is the loser for sure.
At least b is now understanding that many otherwise knowledgeable commentators are TDS – whether consciously or subconsciously.
I repeat yet again: If Biden or Harris were POTUS now – the bombs would have fallen on Iran in January.
Mercouris, Crooke and many others have so far been categorically wrong in predicting a US attack last weekend, then this week. This indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of the dynamics of the situation and Trump’s role in the events leading up to this situation.
Now we see if there is an attack in the next week.
The one thing that is accurate, is that there is enormous misinformation flooding the internet from both sides right now.
Only time will reveal the truth.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 20 2025 17:52 utc | 293

The real question isn’t whether Trump wants to go to war, the question is does his opinion matter.

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 20 2025 17:53 utc | 294

It’s been hundreds of years since “the West” lost a war to the non-West, they don’t want to be the first, hence the ridiculously bargaining positions to Moscow and Tehran.

Posted by: Afro | Jun 20 2025 17:54 utc | 295

Iran, DO NOT STOP !!!!
https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1936105788633657847

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 20 2025 17:54 utc | 296

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2025 17:31 utc | 269 You need to get your lies straight: Either you’re hawking the party line that Biden was a vegetable or you’re pretending that cognitive decline is the same thing not to mention indistinguishable from physical decline. I remember the leaks about Michael J. Fox’s sharp drop in work performance when he was on Spin City. The insinuation was of course drugs. Turned out to be Parkinson’s. As for Trump’s supposed onset of dementia, going golfing is a problem for the real thing.
And as far as your personal experiences go, it seem likeliest you’re just lying. All you have is abuse, which is not an argument, but an appeal to the faithful
Compounding it all, neither Biden nor Trump have ever been good reasoners. They’ve both been shrew, but that only proves cheap cynicism can take you far in life.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 20 2025 17:54 utc | 297

I repeat yet again: If Biden or Harris were POTUS now – the bombs would have fallen on Iran in January.
You’re an idiot. Reverse TDS isReal.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2025 17:55 utc | 298

@LoveDonbass #205
The actual difference between you and I, is that I actually have things to do in life besides squat on MoA 24/7/365.
That, and I actually understand what is going on whereas you are simply spouting troll bullshit.
Not even good troll bullshit, but teenage video game player troll bullshit.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 20 2025 17:55 utc | 299

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 20 2025 17:54 utc | 300
Lol. We have Reverse TDS and real TDS in this thread.
And a suggestion: use fewer words and get to your “points” more concisely.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 20 2025 17:57 utc | 300