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June 22, 2025
Tic-Toc No. 8 On The War On Iran

This report seems genuine:

Exclusive: Iran given advance notice as US insisted attack on nuclear sites is ‘one-off’Amwaj

US President Donald Trump says three key nuclear facilities in Iran have been “obliterated,” while threatening more strikes “if peace does not come quickly.” This comes as Amwaj.media has learned that Washington notified Tehran of the strikes. Speaking on condition of anonymity, a high-ranking Iranian political source confirmed that the Trump administration on June 21 conveyed that it did not seek an all-out confrontation, and only intended to strike the Fordow, Isfahan and Natanz nuclear sites. Importantly, the senior source also confirmed that the targeted sites were evacuated, with "most" of Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium kept in secure locations.

The Pentagon claims that 30 cruise missiles were fired from submarines against Iranian nuclear sites near Natanz, Isfahan and Fordow. The main strike was allegedly by three B-2 heavy bomber which dropped six bunker buster bombs on the buried enrichment facility in Fordow. There are doubts that this indeed has happened:

My theory for the evening? I think this was a low-risk, low-impact attack entirely conducted using submarine-launched cruise missiles, and the DoD is simply lying about heavy bomber involvement for propaganda purposes.

We will have to wait for before/after satellite pictures and/or video from the ground before assessing the attack.

What we do know for sure is that the U.S. has launched an unprovoked, illegitimate attack against another country. The attack was also in breach of the Non-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty. Iran could, and now maybe should, resign from that treaty and reject inspections by IAEA personnel.

Comments

Foment nuclear war between Israel and Iran.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 2:13 utc | 700
Great theory. Except that Mossad has a bunch of guys hanging out behind Trump’s chair whispering: “If israel comes out of this a loser, you, your kids and your wife get it in the chops, m’kay?”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 2:18 utc | 701

What would it say about the nuclear detection and counteractions of Russia and China if the U.S could sneak a nuke right under their bellies and trigger it at the edge of their spheres of influence?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 2:14 utc | 701
They don’t have to. America has a nuclear land submarine called “Israel.” Israel’s geography and tiny size make them uniquely vulnerable to Russian nuclear subs. Russia could utterly obliterate Israel in seconds. You’re not retarded, so I don’t have to explain why Putin would never make that threat. China could probably hit Israel, but not before the Israeli countermeasures trigger. They’re not risking Shanghai for Tehran. It’s the same reason China would keep the North Koreans in line.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 2:22 utc | 702

“See, people with power understand exactly one thing: violence.” – Noam Chomsky
https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1936904046717345890
Ahmed Hassan 🇾🇪 أحمد حسن زيد @Ahmed_hassan_za
The rest of the world, especially the Islamic and Arab states, must learn this lesson.
There is no agreement, international law, or treaty that will prevent America and Israel from committing any crime or aggression…
America and Israel only take into calculations one thing: the harm they will suffer.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 2:23 utc | 703

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 2:18 utc | 704
Mossad has a bunch of guys hanging out behind Trump’s chair whispering: “If israel comes out of this a loser, you, your kids and your wife get it in the chops, m’kay?”

Team Trump is hard at work creating the illusion of an Israel win. Together with the despondent voices from zionist Israel, that’s probably the best they can do at the moment.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 23 2025 2:24 utc | 704

An Iranian friend said that his sister is no longer allowed to leave the country as of last week. Does anyone have information on this?
Posted by: Deniz | Jun 23 2025 2:01 utc | 692
No I have no information about your friends sister. Sorry.

Posted by: irangate | Jun 23 2025 2:25 utc | 705

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/06/22/michael-brenner-over-the-brink/
Michael Brenner.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 2:25 utc | 706

Great theory. Except that Mossad has a bunch of guys hanging out behind Trump’s chair whispering: “If israel comes out of this a loser, you, your kids and your wife get it in the chops, m’kay?”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 2:18 utc | 704
I agree- what do you think that golden pager from Netanyahu was? Why do you think President Trump loves nice anonymous McDonald’s that could be for anyone? I’m sure he eats the burgers only half an hour after his staff does. I’d go further and say that Butler was probably Shin Bet being covered up by the Biden regime.
But that just makes it immensely satisfying to kick out of the hold. No one misses blackmailers. No one will miss the Jews.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 2:28 utc | 707

There’s far too much shit in this thread.
There were no B2’s over Iran, full stop.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 22 2025 23:08 utc | 589
Yes, exactly!

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jun 23 2025 2:29 utc | 708

RE: Looks like Iran is sticking with hitting IDF and government facilities. Thoughts?
Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 2:14 utc | 702
So far what they’ve destroyed makes a lot of sense for their war. The things like Intel, Mossad, Bioweapons. They’re not random government buildings. They’re hitting the most important for their defense first.
Personally, I’d like to see them hit the Netzarim corridor, a bunch of apartment buildings of West Bank settlers along with Ben Guiver, all along the fringes of Gaza where IDF are, Golan Heights…
But, have to be patient… it’s going to be a long war…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 23 2025 2:32 utc | 709

An Iranian friend said that his sister is no longer allowed to leave the country as of last week. Does anyone have information on this?
Posted by: Deniz | Jun 23 2025 2:01 utc | 692
Ask him if she is perhaps a mossad agent?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 2:36 utc | 710

RE: “An Iranian friend said that his sister is no longer allowed to leave the country as of last week. Does anyone have information on this?”
Posted by: Deniz | Jun 23 2025 2:01 utc | 692
For the safety of the country, I believe they closed their airspace. Not sure if they reopened.
She might consider a train. I’m certain movement is being closely monitored due to all the domestic terrorism alerts. They are after all, at war.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 23 2025 2:38 utc | 711

Looks like Iran is sticking with hitting IDF and government facilities. Thoughts?
Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 2:14 utc | 702
I’m guessing that Iran feels that it can outlast Israel in a war of attrition. Going up the escalation ladder with the zionist is a dangerous business. They have nukes and routinely flout laws and norms.
Iran is playing by the rules against an infamous cheater, the ref is also crooked. Iran is making it as difficult as possible for Israel to justify using nukes or for the US to justify going all in.
It’s not just Iran, Israel, and the US either. If this war metastasizes into a wider war or WWIII, then China and Russia also need to look like honorable players compared to the crooked west because there are 150 other countries out there that might be pressured to pick a side.

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 23 2025 2:39 utc | 712

I was going to post this at the beginning of the next thread but it seems timely now assuming I was going to post this at the beginning of the next thread but it seems timely now given the resignation of Pezeshkian
There has been a sequence of events in which Masoud Pezeshkian is closely involved
1. May 2024: “accidental” death of Ebrahim Raisi
2. July 2024: Election of Masoud Pezeshkian (a moderate)
3. 19 September 2024: Pager attack taking out 1,500 Hezbollah fighters out of action
4. 27 September 2024 : Assassination of Nasrullah in Lebanon – suspicion of information given from Iran
5. November 2024: Election of Trump
6. Unclear date Putin/Russia advises Assad that the axis of support is weakening, which presumably means that Syria was reducing support in addition to the collapse of Hezbollah
7. 8 December 2024: collapse of Assad government in Syria
8. 20 January 2025: Trump takes office
9. April -May 2025 : Obvious failure of the Ukraine/Russia Trump peace deal
10. June 2025 :Israel attacks Iran
11. Iran responds to attack Israel
12. 22 June 2025 USA attacks Iran
13. Iran “parliament” decides to reply with force
14. 23 June 2025 Masoud Pezeshkian resigns
This is a sequence of events that are clearly connected.
My assessment is the following
• The usual suspects take out Raisi assuming (rightly) that a moderate would be elected to replace him
• The “moderate” president goes palsy with the USA and even Israel
• Someone in the moderate faction (not necessarily Pezeshkian) betrays Nasrullah, presumably in the expectation that there could be a deal made and sanctions lifted etc. Iran could be friends with the west
• Israel goes back on any deal or ignores any that the USA may have made and has success in destroying Hezbollah and taking out Syria
• The ducks are in a row for an attack on Iran
• Trump tries to befriend Russia and split from China – it does not work
• Russia withdraws some support to Iran fearing (with very good reason) that under Pezeshkian, weapons supplied could fall into the hands of the USA
• Israel, probably with the support of trump decides the time has come to attack Iran, believing that the Muslem leadership would fall and would be quickly replaced by a patsy government led by Pezeshkian
• Despite killing many top leaders the Israeli attack failed to destroy the Iranian government
• Iran replies with totally unexpected force
• Trump is forced to become actively involves (possibly as more of a face saver/exit ramp) than deliberate intent for war. The assumption probably because of the position of Pezeshkian was that the USA action would force iran to capitulate
• The Iranian people refuse to submit to the US bullying
• Pezeshkian has little choice but to resign

Posted by: watcher | Jun 23 2025 2:43 utc | 713

Regarding Iranian travel: One thing I follow is chess. There’s a large open tournament in Turkey (Cesme) starting Monday, with about 50 Iranians signed up for the top section (about 20% of field). I wouldn’t know how many will show up, and probably in any case some names might have just been preliminary. But I will report on what the accounting is, tomorrow. Also, no tournament in Iran (on chess-results / dot / com) has been updated in 5 days, likely due to Internet outage.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Jun 23 2025 2:44 utc | 714

@712 Trubind1
Sort of O/T but just to keep the mood buoyant or similar.
If I remember correctly was your comments…
When you said yesterday you were going to buy 40 ounces what was I to know, I thought at first you were talking of precious metals, a big bar of silver maybe, after various advice around to stock up on fuel etc. Then you went to buy another 40 ounces to meditate over (or suchlike) and I figured it was consumable, so I picture you going through bags of weed … but I then I thought that must be a lot for one day and you probably wouldn’t be writing coherent, so I looked it up. lol

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 23 2025 2:47 utc | 715

From ZH

Update(1825ET): Trump has already pivoted from “this isn’t about regime change” as an admin talking to point, to… there might possibly be regime change after all.
And all the while he’s lecturing Thomas Massie about not being ‘MAGA’ amid a ‘debate’ over what it is to be America First…

As world leaders urgently called for diplomacy, President Trump raised the prospect of regime change in Tehran on Sunday, less than 24 hours after U.S. strikes on three Iranian nuclear sites stoked fears of a dangerously escalating conflict across the Middle East.
“If the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change???” Mr. Trump wrote in a post on his social media site. The post came after top members of his administration spent much of the day emphasizing that the United States did not intend to enter an all-out war with Tehran.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 23 2025 2:48 utc | 716

Arch Bungle 701
“What would it say about the nuclear detection and counteractions of Russia and China if the U.S could sneak a nuke right under their bellies and trigger it at the edge of their spheres of influence?”
Of course you gamed out this McCarthyist , anti-communist , Divide and Rule, USUKIS narrative to finally conquer the world YEARS AGO. Trump is YEARS AGO too and he has been put in power to DO IT.
Populist politicians like BoJo and Trump are capable of only very simple Manichean , good v bad, Dog whistles.
On the fake GOOD side of the Dog Whistle are:
USUKIS
All the Normy Lies Sunni Sauds and Gulfies.
Daesh , London Nest of Spies and different shades of USUKIS-owned Political Islam, Muslim Brotherhood etc.
Neocons, UK left and right political unicorns
Global Capitalism, banksters, bought politicians.
On the fake BAD side of this Divide and Rule Great Game are:
Socialists
occupying coveted World Resources
SHI’A and other dodgy Muslim sects occupying coveted World Resources
All the other, Well Dodgy, Pagans
occupying coveted World Resources
Old colonies, Aus, Can, Africa , SA
occupying coveted World Resources.
Work it out for yourself. All my comments are deleted. Truth hurts.

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 23 2025 2:51 utc | 717

If Iran takes the offer of backing down and taking the last few licks passively, this will be confirmation that Iran has not commitment to the long fight.
That’s when the real destruction of Iran will begin.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 1:45 utc | 686
What if Iran tried a little Sun Tzu…
“Appear weak when you are strong”….. lull the U$ into thinking Iran has been “punished” and, like a whipped dog, now wants to timidly lick the hand that delivered the blows.
When U$ comes back to “finish Iran off”””…. ‘err, guys, we got this one wrong’… – whack.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 2:51 utc | 718

Posted by: watcher | Jun 23 2025 2:43 utc | 717
It’s time to end the Trump apologetics. See the Michael Tracy article in Week in Review O/T.
Trump was always going to start a war on Iran.
https://www.mtracey.net/p/trump-and-the-iran-war-perhaps-the

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 2:55 utc | 719

Col Doug Macgregor on GG’s MOATS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tdeP4up5To
fyi “These people are feckless. They don’t understand what they’re doing. They don’t understand what they’ve done. And there’s not a shred of humanity in any of them.”
‘There is great disorder under heaven the situation is excellent’ mao ‘

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 2:57 utc | 720

• Iran replies with totally unexpected force
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• The Iranian people refuse to submit to the US bullying
• Pezeshkian has little choice but to resign
Posted by: watcher | Jun 23 2025 2:43 utc | 717
Plausible. Except:
1. I would think Pezeshkian of all people would be fully aware of Iran’s capability to respond with unexpected force. In your simulation, does he not know this or is he “playing both sides”?
2. High profile Iranians have been dying for a long time now, long before Pezeshkian.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 2:58 utc | 721

Posted by: Kadath | Jun 23 2025 1:01 utc | 659
Hal Turner: Iran PM Pezechkian resigns
Thank you for sharing the link! We’ll see if it holds up. I agree that Pezechkian’s position must be weak now and I hope that Turner’s reasoning is exaggerated.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 23 2025 1:40 utc | 684
Hal Turner is a total sensationalist. Pezechkian resigned because his policy led to this calamity. He is a total fluffer. He is the soft Gorbachev of the Iranian Republic.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Jun 23 2025 2:58 utc | 722

I trust you on US domestic sentiments. If oil/gas import reduction is as bad for China as you say (I don’t know) then the PRC has shown they can react asymmetrically, simply clamping down exports. This could be the rare earth minerals boycot they set up recently.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 23 2025 2:15 utc | 703
That boycott was a different thing. But sure, they could cut export production- that would still shut down Chinese factories and put people out of work. More, the extreme economic vulnerability would be a fine time for President Trump to turn the heat up on tariffs.
You’re thankfully not one of the spongebrains claiming that an oil crisis wouldn’t affect China because of EeVees. Yes it is that bad- China imports up to 60% of its oil. And with a major oil crisis, it’s not like it could rely on America or Canada to compensate. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 3:02 utc | 723

All of the Sunni Muslims of Palestine , Pakistan, Africa and Asia are in the Crosshairs of the nostrils of the Salafi/ Al Qaida/ USUKIS/ Global Capitalist- bankster
Colonial sharks.

Posted by: Giyane | Jun 23 2025 3:02 utc | 724

Radioactivity now present means those locations are inaccessible forever. The MOAB/Bunker Busters have worked exactly as they we were told by Donald Trump they would.
Posted by: PanicPussy | Jun 23 2025 3:00 utc | 726
It would have been a genius way to block the IAEA, tar America diplomatically, and promote a Russian security guarantee. Just claiming the destruction of the nuclear program would have been sufficient.
But looking tough for howling mongoloids was more important.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 3:05 utc | 725

c1ue needs to read this before he comes back to eat crow or make even more bullshit excuses:
From Michael Tracy…

Some events are unforeseeable. The current conflagration with Iran wasn’t one of them. Donald Trump first tried to ingratiate himself into the Republican Party by fixating on the purported threat of Iran; you can find tweets to this effect dating all the way back to 2011, when he toyed with running for president during the 2012 primary cycle. To inject himself into the Republican bloodstream, Trump adopted the twofold strategy of harping on Barack Obama’s birth certificate, and fulminating about Iran.
Then he ran for president in 2016 and continued fulminating about Iran. He co-organized a rally with Ted Cruz in September 2015 to rail against the Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA), which he said was the worst deal of all time, in part because it allowed Iran to maintain low-levels of uranium enrichment. He pledged to withdraw from the deal. Then he was elected president and promptly initiated the process of withdrawing from the deal, despite his own Secretary of State certifying that Iran was in compliance. By 2018, he officially withdrew from the deal, warning that it had somehow empowered Iran to “threaten American cities with nuclear destruction.” He proceeded to institute a policy of “Maximum Pressure” on Iran, with the intent of crippling its government and impoverishing its population, so as to destabilize the society and eventually bring about regime change. The sanctions continued to intensify even during COVID, when they hindered Iran’s ability to import medical supplies.
In June 2019, Trump said he was minutes away from bombing Iran. By December 2019, Trump, along with Mike Pompeo, manufactured a crisis whereby they connived to assassinate Iran’s top general Qasem Soleimani by drone strike. The administration invoked the 2002 Authorization for Use of Force Against Iraq as their legal justification. So, the same legal architecture to authorize the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was resuscitated by Trump to justify a drone-strike assassination of Iran’s top general in 2020 — supposedly because Soleimani was on a diplomatic mission to Iraq. But the precise logic never really had to make sense. Republican senators such as Mike Lee, who has since become much more “based” and therefore less concerned with Constitutional limits on presidential war-making powers, said at the time that the Administration’s intelligence briefing on the strike was so bad as to be “insulting.” Trump threatened to bomb 52 Iranian cultural sites — the legacy of ancient Persian civilization. Iran fired ballistic missiles at a US military installation in Iraq, inflicting at least 109 troops with traumatic brain injuries.
Tulsi Gabbard, who denounced the assassination and more broadly denounced what she called Trump’s policy of “regime change war” against Iran, subsequently repudiated her position and endorsed Trump’s Iran policy when she was nominated for Director of National Intelligence.
In the 2024 presidential campaign, Trump maintained that his first-term policy of “Maximum Pressure” and escalating bellicosity toward Iran was a tremendous success, and pledged that he would accelerate this bellicosity in a second term. He claimed that Iran was trying to assassinate him. John Ratcliffe, whom Trump would later name CIA Director, publicly called for joint US-Israeli strikes on Iran as revenge for the alleged assassination attempts, and also because Iran had allegedly hacked Trump campaign emails. Now, Ratcliffe is reportedly recycling sports metaphors to convince Trump that Iran is on the cusp of acquiring a nuclear weapon. Akin to how one of his predecessors as CIA Director, George Tenet, infamously peddled the metaphor that Iraq having WMDs was a “slam dunk.”
It was oddly under-covered that during the 2024 campaign, Trump repeatedly called for enabling Israel to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities. He threatened to blow the whole of Iran into “smithereens.” Meanwhile, a large number of people were apparently under the impression that by voting for Trump, they were not voting for a platform of heightened bellicosity with Iran. It’s a testament to the power of self-deception, selective absorption of information, the distortions of partisan thinking, and other phenomena of mass psychology that will be rich for further study. It’s also a testament to the power of the incredible propaganda spewed by Trump surrogates such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard, whom many people — especially in the self-proclaimed “anti-establishment” online media ecosystem — took their cues from.
RFK Jr. spoke at the Trump campaign’s grand-finale Madison Square Garden rally and had the temerity to proclaim, “Don’t you think we deserve a president who’s gonna end the warfare state and rebuild the Middle Class?” while assuring that Trump would “end the wars” — a series of comforting abstractions that had virtually zero connection to any tangible policy. This as Trump was literally advocating a new war with Iran. At the Vice Presidential debate, JD Vance even explicitly endorsed a “pre-emptive strike” by Israel against Iran, and demanded that the US loyally support Israel in this. Anyone who knows the first thing about the US-Israeli relationship would know that such an audacious bombing campaign by Israel would inevitably require robust US logistical, intelligence, and arms support. It would be a joint US-Israeli mission — which is exactly how Trump is now referring to it, using the pronoun “we” to describe the air superiority that “we” (the US and Israel) have currently obtained over Iran. All the while, he’s ordering mass evacuations from Iran’s capital, threatening to assassinate the Supreme Leader, and demanding “unconditional surrender” — the same demand that Franklin D. Roosevelt made of the Axis Powers during World War II, and was achieved only after extirpating the German state and dropping two atomic bombs on Japan.
After the 2024 election, Israeli media reported that Trump had conveyed to Netanyahu that upon assuming office in January, he would remove whatever minor constraints the Biden Administration had imposed on arms supplies to Israel. Trump subsequently did this, rushing 2,000 pound munitions to Israel, as well as PATRIOT and THAAD systems now being employed to shoot down Iranian missiles. Trump’s first major foreign policy proposal, announced alongside Netanyahu, was that the US would “take over” Gaza and turn it into a US military protectorate. The ceasefire arrangement that his envoy Steve Witkoff brokered for Gaza was systematically undermined at Israel’s behest, and by March, Trump green-lit the resumption of the Israeli annihilation campaign there. Witkoff was nonetheless treated to many hagiographical profiles and interviews touting him as an oracle of peace who was bringing fresh thinking to US diplomacy.
Shortly after he entered office in January 2025, Trump started threatening that he would bomb Iran if they didn’t make a satisfactory “deal.” He placed Witkoff in charge of securing this “deal.” Witkoff said the “red line” for Iran would be zero enrichment of uranium and dismantlement of its nuclear facilities. Iran has been adamant for decades that they would never accept this, as it would be seen as an enormous self-inflicted national humiliation and forfeiture of sovereignty. Witkoff’s use of the phrase “red line” was notable in that Trump and Republicans still like to chastise Obama for drawing a hazy “red line” with respect to Syria in 2012 — the idea being that Obama showed weakness by not bombing Syria promptly enough. Trump has now followed through on the “red line” threat, which is apparently supposed to convey his toughness.
As the Iran “negotiations” got underway, Netanyahu declared that he and Trump were in full agreement on how they would be structured. The only viable resolution would be Iran agreeing to blow up its own nuclear facilities under American supervision, and acceding to the “Libyan model” — which famously resulted in the leader of Libya getting regime-changed anyway after agreeing to disable his nuclear capacity. Trump repeatedly affirmed that this was in fact the core condition for the Iran “negotiations.” It was further reinforced by Marco Rubio. Any astute observer would have thus realized that the negotiations were pretextual — predicated on obtaining an outcome that could never be obtained — and thus engineered to serve as a justification for the eventual launch of a bombing campaign, which is exactly what happened.
Trump now says Iran should have “taken the deal,” meaning fully capitulated to American dictates in advance. Perhaps there was some flicker of genuine belief bouncing around inside Trump’s brain that through the sheer force of his personality and threats, he could berate Iran into submission, and thus achieve a “deal” that would avoid military force. He probably also had some comparable belief about his ability to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours. Regardless of what precisely is going on inside Trump’s cranium, the Iran “negotiations” were manifestly structured in such a way that no non-violent “deal” was ever going to be brokered. Thus, the inference that they were effectively a ruse to lull Iran into complacency is the only tenable one. Indeed, it was this complacency which led to Iranian officials getting assassinated in their beds in the US-Israeli sneak attack. The night before the offensive was launched, Witkoff spoke to a “pro-Israel” gala alongside Miriam Adelson and proclaimed that a “nuclear Iran” was an “existential threat” to Israel, the US, and the entire world — and the US and Israel needed to join together to conclusively neutralize this alleged threat, “no matter what the cost.” That was the chief “negotiator” who was supposedly “negotiating” with Iran for two months on behalf of Trump. Then the arbitrary two month deadline passed, and the bombs Trump openly promised began to drop.
Whatever happens next, it should be emphasized for historical posterity that absolutely none of this was unforeseeable. I documented it all, contemporaneously, and did what I could to explain the plainly evident implications. Few wanted to listen.

Any bloviating about how Trump is either not in control, just wants to save face, only wants “easy wins”, is being coerced by Israel or NuttyYahoo, etc. is all complete and utter bullshit. Since the Soleimani crime, I too have known that Trump would take the US to war against Iran, I just didn’t quite know how large a role Israel would play. And this has only just started. The US is not capable of allowing Israel to be pummeled for much longer assuming no regime change happens in Iran (or Israel) or a ceasefire that is highly unlikely occurs.
War with Iran has always been a Trump wet dream and now it’s reality.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 3:06 utc | 726

But they are not smart.
Posted by: PanicPussy | Jun 23 2025 3:00 utc | 726
How would the Iranian public react to this?
“Sorry, people. The Americans wiped out our entire civilian program. We are now reduced to the level of the Dominican Republic… and hey, given they wiped that out, we can really help you if they decide they want to wipe out all 90 million of you too.”
You see, Pollyanna, “smart” means different things when you’re the one running a country of 90 million.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 3:08 utc | 727

Posted by: PanicPussy | Jun 23 2025 3:00 utc | 726
Name checks out. There is a limit to what states can do with “guile”. National politics and international geopolitics are not the latest Looney Tunes cartoon.
With millions of angered Iranians screaming for 1) the bomb, 2) revenge, the Iranian government is between a rock and a hard place:
– play into the US’s propaganda, and risk destabilizing their system so much that they may end up regime changed by their own hardliners, no doubt infiltrated by Mossad et altri;
– walk a fine line between playing hardball and not escalating too much.
Second option seems to be what the Iranians are doing. It is wiser.

Posted by: Lemming | Jun 23 2025 3:09 utc | 728

RE: “you probably wouldn’t be writing coherent, so I looked it up. lol”
Posted by: Ornot | Jun 23 2025 2:47 utc | 719
Lol, definitely incoherent posts, but did feel good. Every now and then, get a 40 ouncer of some cheap beer & and icy mug and enjoy my weekend in a lawn chair.
But speaking of silver ounces ect, I’m seeing the Bond markets tanking (I pay no attention to the rigged manipulated stock market), the usual “war” that rallies folks into “safe haven US treasuries” isn’t working. Selling off and piling into gold & silver, especially gold.
Maybe US was hoping by starting another new war, they could sell “war bonds” … and save themselves…or just blame the whole collapse on Iran…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 23 2025 3:10 utc | 729

Please visit the M. Tracy link for all the Tweets he calls on. He provides receipts.
Anyone who says that if Kamala had won, the US would be bombing Iran or, laughably, have boots on the ground as early as January of this year is not a good-faith actor and is an entirely dangerous partisan hack who was just pretending not to be a warmonger neocon. Those are just laughable and completely disingenuous concepts when you see the whole timeline laid out right there in print, and using Trump’s own words. Next you’ll be telling us that “Trump’s words don’t mean anything, c’mon!!!” and the like.
Even right now the morons in the MAGA White House and the fools that Charlie Kirk is PAYING to tweet the same EXACT bullshit about “If you don’t support Trump’s taking out Obama’s nuclear program in Iran, then you were never MAGA” are trying to pin THEIR war of CHOICE on literally every Democrat who has held office for the last 17 years. This has devolved into pure pathetic cult-like behavior by the MAGAts now.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 3:13 utc | 730

– play into the US’s propaganda, and risk destabilizing their system so much that they may end up regime changed by their own hardliners, no doubt infiltrated by Mossad et altri;
Posted by: Lemming | Jun 23 2025 3:09 utc | 733
Hah. Iranian hardliners are infiltrated by Mossad? That would explain a lot. But this is more Iran schizophrenia: if the hardliners get more power, Israel’s influence will increase. L O L.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 3:14 utc | 731

Hah. Iranian hardliners are infiltrated by Mossad?
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 3:14 utc | 736
I am making no claims that they are, but with Israël and the USA desiring regime change in Iran so much at the moment, I am sure they would try to co-opt any attempt at regime changing the Ayatollah, whether it comes from patriots or not.

Posted by: Lemming | Jun 23 2025 3:17 utc | 732

Posted by: PanicPussy | Jun 23 2025 3:05 utc | 728
I must has hit the nerve of truth for that unhinged reply
I have no idea whether Perezhian was fool or a traitor, but he clearly is very western oriented. He was president during this fiasco and must take responsibility ether because of actions or inaction.

Posted by: watcher | Jun 23 2025 3:18 utc | 733

I am sure they would try to co-opt any attempt at regime changing the Ayatollah, whether it comes from patriots or not.
Posted by: Lemming | Jun 23 2025 3:17 utc | 737
Sure, Netanyahu was funding Hamas for a while there. But if we agree that an Iranian change in government would subverted by Zionists, why WHY would hardliners consider it? Are they that easy to manipulate?
Pezeshkian is likely resigning, so is the answer “yes?”

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 3:25 utc | 734

Gatobart, James, Jane
I love you guys even though i don’t always agree with you.
But that’s life, allowances.
I am the definition of cws. Born 68, teenage years 80’s. Decorated soldier desert storm,shield.
And now i know it was all wrong.
However, the acronyms and comic names not in common use make the reading hard:
Just a plea from a hard working man that doesn’t have endless time to ponder on all of this.
Thank you all!

Posted by: Archetypex | Jun 23 2025 3:26 utc | 735

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 1:37 utc | 682
I wouldn’t, he couldn’t even be bothered to look up the wiki page on the MOP, he also loves making up cool sounding, but essentially meaningless phrases, ‘exploiting geological sequencing’ was a recent one.
In the real world, not the fantasy one being constructed here, deluded post by deluded post, the Russians and Chinese defence ministries will be urgently trying to work out just how the US raid was accomplished (the recent briefing was only an operational précis) and how and why their AD technology was rendered useless, on this occasion. This will be added to the work on just how the IAF achieved air superiority so quickly, something Russia has struggled to do over Ukraine, and the implications that this raises.
As for Putin, it’s the above that explains his response, unlike the online weapons experts and extrapolators of off the shelf-simulations, he better understands the real capabilities of the US and it’s ability to project power, which was on display last night. The public pronouncements will be very different from the private discussions being held now, hence the gulf between the rhetoric and the actions taken.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 23 2025 3:27 utc | 736

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1936917830454452575?s=46

According to NBC News, Iran delivered a communiqué to US President Trump through an intermediary at the G7 Summit last week in Canada, threatening to activate sleeper-cell terrorist groups inside the United States if it or its nuclear facilities were attacked.
The Trump Administration, as well as federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies in key cities across the country, are on high alert for any potential retaliation inside the United States.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security issued a statement earlier today, warning that the “Iran conflict is causing a heightened threat environment in the United States.”

^^^
?? | Who would be an Iranian “intermediary” at the G7. ?
All attending were ziobog and lapdogs.
~~~
Middle East Spectator – MES
The fearmongering in U.S. media about ‘Iranian sleeper cells’ and ‘Iranian cyber attacks on American soil’ has already begun.
I don’t think there’s any way this doesn’t turn into a large scale war at this point. They’re clearly setting the stage

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 3:28 utc | 737

Tom Q,
Trump remebers the phrase “real men go to Tehran” and he desperately wants to be ‘that man’. Fu*k you all, we’re going…
So here we are led by a man with a 2″ war boner.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 23 2025 3:28 utc | 738

But if we agree that an Iranian change in government would subverted by Zionists, why WHY would hardliners consider it?
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 3:25 utc | 739
I believe the lesson here is that there is a limit to intelligence for large groups of humans, wherever they may come from. And this limit is proportional to the size of the group.
Also, sometimes, tabula rasa is the answer. See the Bolshevik, Chinese and Cuban revolutions.

Posted by: Lemming | Jun 23 2025 3:32 utc | 739

The fearmongering in U.S. media about ‘Iranian sleeper cells’ and ‘Iranian cyber attacks on American soil’ has already begun.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 3:28 utc | 742
Of course. It works against Russia in Western countries, so naturally the New York media would turn it up to 11 now. It would make sense for Iran to explain that it’s a false flag because their focus is on Israel, which might even get through to most people globally.
But they’re schizophrenics appealing to mongoloids, so of course they talk about closing the Strait or bombing aircraft carriers. That is, the kind of plan Netanyahu would LOVE because it guarantees wider American involvement. Maybe Mossad has infiltrated their government after all!

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 3:34 utc | 740

watcher | Jun 23 2025 3:18 utc | 738
My spidey senses told me Raisi was assassinated.
But Iran seemed to just: “meh, weird helicopter ’accident’… nothing to see here”.
But if that it allowed for the installation of Pezeshkian, then it makes sense that his team didn’t react… and no one else seemed to want to stir shit about a dead Raisi.
The zioborg have been trying ALL the tricks in their regime change toolbox for decades now.
We even saw the new Shah as replacement Dear Leader wheeled out… prematurely it seems .
What ever happened to Juan Guaidó anyway. Is he still “president in exile” or did that script get too shop soiled?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 3:42 utc | 741

Marco Rubio iran must must
“Iran Must Communicate Directly With US:
He means “Communicate directly with us, so we can triangulate your coordinates and kill you.”
how can you negotiate when you killed all the negotiators.

Posted by: danny golan | Jun 23 2025 3:44 utc | 742

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 2:58 utc | 724
I do not disagree with you really. Thing is we do not really know his role in the affair. He was certainly seen by everyone as very pro western. presumably he was over ridden by the military etc and Supreme Leader.
Yes there have been lots of assassinations over the years but not usually so many at once nor any that were immediately followed by attack.

Posted by: watcher | Jun 23 2025 3:50 utc | 743

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins/ Jun 23 2025 3:06 utc / 730
Yes critical information good for michael for putting this together and ta to tqc for posting it.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 3:51 utc | 744

When will Congress ask for a new spending bill for Israel to fund the ongoing war?
The last one was in September and surely they’ve burned through that by now.

Posted by: R2D2 | Jun 23 2025 3:55 utc | 745

But, have to be patient… it’s going to be a long war…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 23 2025 2:32 utc | 712
What if it all ends abruptly? (aka Syria) and the same way the US is leading the facade, Iran may also have everyone fooled, and ‘no long war’ is in the plans.
Iran has been stock piling gold, and there is also the real potential of an economic shock, the longer the war continues.
Although they have endured under heavy sanctions, I pondered why Iran doesn’t scrap the NPT, does Russia and China have that much influence over them? Maybe the fear isn’t Iran having nukes, but rather outside players, how easy it is to infiltrate its government and possible mishap of sabotage internally.
The instability of the ME isn’t Iran but the US. Until they are permanently removed from the region, it will always remain a breeding grounds of hate and wars.

Posted by: ToB | Jun 23 2025 3:55 utc | 746

The link + satellite graphics showing Iran filled in Fordow entrances days ahead of the U$ strikes whatever that was…
https://nitter.net/MenchOsint/status/1936826902565535914

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 4:00 utc | 747

Would it be cynical to suggest that Mossad has already set up a few ‘Iranian sleeper cell’ locations, replete with Persian carpets, pictures of Ayatollahs, and extremist texts? All waiting on a tip-off to the media and CIA.

Posted by: extra | Jun 23 2025 4:00 utc | 748

@734 Trubind1
Your posts were ok, which is why I looked it up….and am glad you mentioned it was beer because the definition search results gave was malt whiskey, which was what I was thinking you meant !
I don’t follow markets any more much, but even bonds are rigged. They manage them according to what effect is wanted, but as with gfc if it came to it they would just take them on themselves as colateral by financial engineering, so bringing rates down. Sometimes that catches out weaker entities, often the public, but as a whole it rearranges and consolidates authority with favoured big players. They could also allow everything to do a big reset.
Metals are just a good way to be outside of all of that, not profit or loss but a good hedge for extremes.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 23 2025 4:02 utc | 749

Minute observation, has anyone noticed, but ‘SUNDAY’ (Superbowl Sundays) it seems when all the ‘big’ events seem to happen. Its never on a Monday, or Wednesday.
Most strikes into Russia happened over the weekend
Most strikes from US also happen on weekends.
Timed for peak audience?

Posted by: ToB | Jun 23 2025 4:04 utc | 750

What has tickled my funny bone out of today’s headlines and happenings is IAEA Grossi crying and stamping his feet that he must be allowed to inspect the damage at the Iranian nuclear facilities after the U$ strikes.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 4:04 utc | 751

RE: Sinking American Carriers
It wouldn’t be necessary for Iran to sink a carrier to disable it. Simply wiping out the control tower would save thousands of lives on the ship and avoid inflaming the American public.
If the Iranians really believe someone will attempt a false flag by sinking a carrier, it might help them to pre-emptively knock out the Primary Flight Control tower on the deck.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 4:06 utc | 752

regulars responding to the troll of the evening (westcoast north america time) … when will they ever learn??

Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 4:07 utc | 753

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 3:28 utc | 742
This is 100% Grade-A Certified Bullshit. There are no fucking “sleeper cells” except those maintained by the Mossad, for the express purpose of committing false flags and political assassinations if needed, to be blamed on Arab or Iranian actors. It is absolute nonsense.
And if it was true? Well, Americans shouldn’t be worried. Trump has appointed a 22 year old lawn care worker and former grocery bagger with zero law enforcement or intelligence experience to lead the domestic counter-terrorism effort.
https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1936636306987118777
I know I feel safe. This is the most competent administration in history, obviously.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:08 utc | 754

extra | Jun 23 2025 4:00 utc | 755
It’s the CIA. …. The reason we are being fed stories about Iranian sleeper cells us *because* the CIA already has its curated “iranian sleeper cells” installed and ready to rise and shine….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 4:08 utc | 755

I know this discussion as devolved, but I looked up multiple places for news about Pezeshkian. There is none.
Why are multiple people here saying that he is resigning?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 4:10 utc | 756

About the length of the war
Which war?
Even if you just talk about the ME theatre you have Iran, Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen circus rings, all with active actors.
And then how does the ME theatre fit into my civilization war the includes Ukraine and Taiwan but also the nebulous BRICS+?
Which conflict theatre will climax first? Any of them this year?
I have historically thought things would happen faster than they have but this phase seems to show a quickening of events. This leads me to posit that the ME/Iran situation will not stay in stalemate but move toward culmination of elitist religious and God Of Mammon factions against the China/Russia/Iran axis.
My read of the global markets show a very controlled non-response to US aggression towards Iran.
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and while in the past we use to have to parse the entrails of owls, now we have the intertubes…..Barkeep, a round for all please and thank you!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 23 2025 4:11 utc | 757

Posted by: extra | Jun 23 2025 4:00 utc | 755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlG9aSMCpg
Not cynical at all. In fact the US “intelligence” community already has video (above) on the recruiting efforts for the “sleeper cells.”
Team America will hopefully protect us.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:13 utc | 758

Timed for peak audience?
Posted by: ToB | Jun 23 2025 4:04 utc | 757
Or. Easier to install your after-hours crew. Way to get things done bypassing the weekday crew.
Skeleton staff, can skip a few rugs of direct reports.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 4:13 utc | 759

One of the mis-understandings of some in the ‘independent’ or non-corporate media have tended to harp on, well meaningly apparently, is that Iran were somehow lackadaisical in the unpreparedness of senior political leaders who were murdered, along with their families, as they slept. Much the same has been said about the alleged unpreparedness of Iran to the amerikan attack, though Iran had shifted it’s centrifuges & other equipment away from known to the rest of the world sites, weeks ago. Nevertheless naysayers abound out there, ignoring of course the conclusion that maybe it wasn’t lack of preparedness which motivated Iranians not to huddle in bunkers or ‘safehouses’.
That considers what happened from a point of view that says not dying is more important than how you live which mayn’t be the point of view of everyone, everywhere.
Should Iranians be so concerned about being slaughtered by zionists that they completely alter their family’s structure and dynamics, or should they think “As long as we all live our lives as we should without heeding what the arseholes\demons\lying scum say then deny or deny then say, what happens happens, that is life.”
A not unreasonable position I should have thought, especially among people who see their lives as transitory, a stage on a journey.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 23 2025 4:16 utc | 760

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 23 2025 3:48 utc | 748
How closely does the “policy” in the paper match exactly what Trump and his Zionist sponsors have been saying since 2012?
Regardless, you’re either intentionally or by accident missing my point, which pertains to US partisan posturing and how Americans portray “their” particular choice of president to each other. Neither Obama nor Biden started a war on Iran. Trump assassinated Soleimani, engaged in perfidy and lies to trick the Iranians into negotiating and letting their guard down so that a pre-planned/approved Israeli attack could take out high level scientists and military leaders, and then Trump vociferously cheered on a direct military attack on Iran. Period.
Trump seems to have a zeal for war with Iran. And I can find probably a dozen of my own comments spanning 2019-2021 here at MoA saying that if Trump got a second term, there would be a war on Iran. Here we are. Whether or not you have skin in the game or are defending Trump, he owns this war in the same way Bush owns Afghanistan and Iraq and Obama owns Syria and Libya. This war is Trump’s, no matter what happens next. -QED

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:19 utc | 761

Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 4:06 utc | 759
Or copycat the Russians.
They did some sort of major EMP attack on the Donald Cook in the Black Sea in 2014.
Some (then) unknown guy called Andrei Martyanov wrote about it, and that’s when I first became a acolyte,… but now think he’s a bloviating old bore.
He knows some stuff, but he had me convinced Russia would defeat Ukraine in 72 hours.
Years of sloSMO later… I don’t carry water for his opinion on anything.
…… Maybe he can recommend brands of hard liquor with authority. But I don’t drink.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 4:22 utc | 762

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 23 2025 3:48 utc | 748
By the way, and this goes to some of the other people complaining about excess and spurious information clogging up comments at MoA during time such as this, when people come here to get quick information.
I don’t know if you’re new here, I’ve never seen your handle before the last few days. But trust me, and I can assure you of this: Everyone here at MoA is more than familiar with Wesley Clark’s comments, the think tank plans, the long-term desire to see the Iranian government toppled, etc. You are not commenting on someone’s Facebook page here. This is an INFORMED community who has been reading and discussing this stuff for decades at this site alone.
I have to admit I’m a little annoyed someone would try to “educate” me on the general neocon stance on Iran that spans multiple decades. That’s almost totally irrelevant to my points. Trump is the “no new wars” president. Trump is the president who said “God Bless Israel” after the US attacked Iran. Trump is the president who assassinated Gen. Soleimani, tore up the JCPOA nuclear agreements, and instituted “Maximum Pressure” sanctions on Iran designed to immiserate the country. Trump is who tricked the Iranians into the Israeli attack, Trump is the president who first launched a direct American military strike inside Iran. Trump is the president who recently made comments about converting to Judaism, praises Zionists and Israel all the time, took massive amounts of money from the biggest Zionist donors in the United States (TWICE) – the Adelsons – who have openly been campaigning to destroy Iran for decades.
THIS IS AND WILL BE TRUMP’S WAR

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:26 utc | 763

Anyone who says that if Kamala had won, the US would be bombing Iran or…
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 3:13 utc | 735
Neither of them were going to do anything good. HRC and Biden were signaling war with Russia, so it’s a safe bet Harris would be pushing Putin’s red lines right now if she were in office. Trump was signaling war with Iran.
Between the Rand corp’s “Extending Russia” and the Brookings Institute’s “Which Path to Persia” it was a safe bet that the US would be pushing the hubris envelope somewhere.

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 23 2025 4:27 utc | 764

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 23 2025 4:27 utc | 771
I’m not talking about Ukraine. There’s another thread for that, in case you weren’t aware. It’s there for a reason.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:29 utc | 765

“Trump was “signaling” war with Iran.”
By assassinating Soleimani? By tearing up the JCPOA? By implementing draconian sanctions including during the COVID panic that – by the way hit Iran harder than most – designed to destroy their economy? By engaging in perfidy to lure the Iranians into letting their guard down so that the coordinated attack agreed to by Trump and Netanyahu could murder more of their leaders and scientists and civilians? And then by actually launching direct US military strikes on Iran thus potentially opening up Pandora’s Box or Hell’s Gates, inclusive of potential Russian involvement in the future?
Yeah, that’s a little more than signalling. Trump was always going to have a US war on Iran in his 2nd term. It was written in stone and Tracy provides the receipts.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:34 utc | 766

“In the real world, not the fantasy one being constructed here, deluded post by deluded post, the Russians and Chinese defence ministries will be urgently trying to work out just how the US raid was accomplished (the recent briefing was only an operational précis) and how and why their AD technology was rendered useless, on this occasion.”
Posted by: Milites | Jun 23 2025 3:27 utc | 741

Ha, ha, ha, ha.
In the REAL WORLD, the US attack was accomplished by just stating that it happened.
Of course, the US raid (with B-2 bombers) into Iran never happened.
The US attack was a complete work of fiction, delivered to you by the Jew media.

Posted by: janet | Jun 23 2025 4:35 utc | 767

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 4:22 utc | 769
I remember. I’m assuming the Iranians just don’t have the tech and the Russians won’t share it.
Martyanov was delightful in the beginning.
Now his videos just consist of rants about the intellectual superiority of Russians.
Supremacists come in all shapes and sizes – sometimes they’re even on your side.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 4:36 utc | 768

Posted by: janet | Jun 23 2025 4:35 utc | 774
Milites worships imaginary tales of US and UK or western military superiority, but more so, the comparative “stone age” lack of merit for Russian and – yet again even more so – Global South militaries.
Anyone who still believes the tall tale put forth at the dog and pony show this afternoon at the Pentagon (or White House) that isn’t backed up by anything remotely resembling physical evidence such as craters larger than 6m is self-deluding. In fact the whole thing is so fantastical as to make me wonder whether Russia and China are laughing their asses off, or if they’re in shock as to just how stupid the west has become. From top to bottom.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:42 utc | 769

As for Putin, it’s the above that explains his response, unlike the online weapons experts and extrapolators of off the shelf-simulations, he better understands the real capabilities of the US and it’s ability to project power, which was on display last night. The public pronouncements will be very different from the private discussions being held now, hence the gulf between the rhetoric and the actions taken.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 23 2025 3:27 utc | 741
OK, so I was going strictly off of Jane’s short excerpt from your comment. But from here, it would seem that you are also skeptical that what was presented as the attack is not likely the truth of the attack. Is that correct?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:45 utc | 770

“Mister” you need a wipe. Israel has worn out their welcome and they won’t have a state in a week, maybe weeks? Who are all these people uniting around? A relic of a discredited past? yeah, no. you’re trying to divide by zero

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 4:46 utc | 771

Fun fact
Many of the Mossad agents captured are fucking Indians.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 23 2025 4:49 utc | 772

2 days to fly directly to Iran and 1 day to fly back?
Subsonic speed?
Hmmm?
Milites, beam me up, son.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 23 2025 4:53 utc | 773

The payload for a B-2 heavy bomber is 40,000 lbs. The bunker buster bombs weigh 30,000 lbs. So it would seem that the B-2 cannot carry two such bombs. One such bomb plus other miscellaneous munitions maybe. But not two bunker buster bombs.

Posted by: Cesar Jeopardy | Jun 23 2025 4:54 utc | 774

I agree. But, Let’s say Trump keeled over today from eating a Big Mac. Do you think the war with Iran ends? If not, how can this be all about Trump?
Posted by: Deniz | Jun 23 2025 4:47 utc | 779
What if Bush and Cheney had both keeled over and died right after invading Iraq? What if Obama had keeled over right after Libya or Syria? And ONLY in the case of GW Bush/Cheney is there a documented history of long-term attempts to destabilize, assassinate people, sanction, rip up agreements, brag openly in the media about hating them, as there is with Trump and Iran.
So maybe it’s a question you should answer. If Obama keeled over right after launching the Libya strikes or if Bush keeled over right after invading Iraq, would those wars have ended?
P.S. And this may be important context, are you even an American citizen or living in the USA?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:55 utc | 775

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 23 2025 4:49 utc | 780
Really? Interesting. Hindutva? Jews? Any links? Even non-English appreciated.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:56 utc | 776

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 23 2025 4:49 utc | 780
Do they take all the skilled labour, and service Jobs? Like many in the west. (blame the government)
At least now we know who to target. 🤣

Posted by: ToB | Jun 23 2025 4:58 utc | 777

Col. Jacques Baud and Prof. Glenn Diesen YT talk is good.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 23 2025 5:04 utc | 778

Did anything ever come of Hal Turner’s claims tonight that Pezeshkian tendered his resignation to the Supreme Council in Iran? Or is that just Hal Turner being the typical fucking moron that he is, and lying about contacts formerly in the “intelligence” community?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 5:04 utc | 779

If the Iranians really believe someone will attempt a false flag by sinking a carrier, it might help them to pre-emptively knock out the Primary Flight Control tower on the deck.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 4:06 utc | 759
I’m not 100% sure how Iran is going to stop a false flag attack with a real one- China and the USA will be recording Iranian missiles striking American ships. And of course if the carrier’s nuclear reactor melts down at the same time, all of NATO will immediately accuse Iran of causing it.
Just… why?

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 5:06 utc | 780

Or is that just Hal Turner being the typical fucking moron that he is, and lying about contacts formerly in the “intelligence” community?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 5:04 utc | 788
Hal Turner is a genuine white supremacist (and federal informant), so why anyone in the world gives him time is beyond me.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 5:07 utc | 781

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 5:07 utc | 792
And a notorious liar. No argument here. I just noticed someone posted a link to his site here earlier in which there was a semi-legit looking Farsi document with “Iranian” letterhead saying Pez had offered a resignation. Almost certainly bullshit, but then it does boggle the mind why anyone who comes to MoA would even try passing it over.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 5:11 utc | 782

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 4:42 utc | 776
Russia and China … or if they’re in shock as to just how stupid the west has become.
Tom, not only are they in *shock*, they are in… awe
In *awe* that the U$ can fool it’s population so brazenly. Control the narrative.
Shock and Awe, American tradecraft, just not the way it’s usually imagined!

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 5:16 utc | 783

Hal Turner.
The problem with that ass-et is that he is the epitome of the stopped clock.
I have long (decades) learnt to dismiss anything attributed to him or any of his claims….
And then – damn – especially when the FUD and fog is thickest…. Hell be *right* about something.
It’s very discombobulating. Just never know if this is the one time he’s right…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 5:23 utc | 784

Great theory. Except that Mossad has a bunch of guys hanging out behind Trump’s chair whispering: “If israel comes out of this a loser, you, your kids and your wife get it in the chops, m’kay?”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 2:18 utc | 704
==============
Are you saying that there is no one in the Secret Service who is actually loyal to the US president (regardless of who holds the office)? Or, specifically, to this president?

Posted by: Jane | Jun 23 2025 5:24 utc | 785

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 5:16 utc | 794
I’m sure we could have a much longer conversation about this, but I’m tired and I will leave it at this: Whatever TEh FUcK really happened early this AM in Iran will shortly become irrelevant to anything. Nobody will do any further analysis. The Iranians have no reason to confirm or deny any claims of massive damage despite only relatively tiny holes in the mountain. Everyone will move on having accepted (or not willing to invest the intellectual bandwidth to conclusively disprove) the official story. Here in the States, I can tell nobody fucking cares about that part of the truth. Just as nobody, not even Dems, the “hostile” media or the “resistance” – let alone the Trumper base that’s purportedly super concerned about government “waste, fraud and abuse” – cares about the likely BILLIONS of $$ expended on that operation IF it’s even true. It’s insane. A blackout of curiosity and concern. Almost self-imposed. Nobody. Fucking. Cares. You either stand against Trump on a super generic but falsely action-specific level dependent on your ideology or team affiliation, or you circle the wagons and do a 180 from where you stood just a day or two ago (talking about MAGA ‘no new wars’ types).
Fuck this shit. I can sense your own frustration and I feel it too. This is no longer anything resembling a “serious” world. And the usual suspects will blame DEI, LGBTQ, Democrats, TikTok, “antisemitism”, “TDS” and anything else that makes them comfortable.
Blah blah blah. Yes, fuck the U$A. It’s not like “we’ve” stood for anything undoubtedly good for perhaps ever. So really, who cares. I’m out. Sick of dealing with these self-deluding incurious morons for the night.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 5:28 utc | 786

TQC Re Indians as Mossad agents.
I’d been picking up on that through the telegram and xwitter threads I’d been reading.
Modi and Netanyahu have grown very close in recent times.
Modi is Erdogan. Neither can be trusted.
Turkiye was doing well via the grain deal with transport across the Black Sea. But he got waaay too greedy and eventually outplayed himself.
Modi the same. India is doing extremely well with the arbitrage on Russian oil. But he just can’t help himself. The U$ thinks they’ll pry India away from BRICS and Modi resents the Pakistan- China joint ventures.
But then Pakistan is a U$ toy, so there’s no real good guys v bad guys… just grifters and thieves who wheel and deal themselves into governance …

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 5:33 utc | 787

In the real world, not the fantasy one being constructed here, deluded post by deluded post, the Russians and Chinese defence ministries will be urgently trying to work out just how the US raid was accomplished
Posted by: Milites | Jun 23 2025 3:27 utc | 741

In the real world hitting a granite mountain with half a dozen MOPs and a few tens of Tomahawks accounts for exactly nothing.
Iran leaned against the ropes and took the hit not because they were surprised but because they chose to.
That was their plan and they stuck to it.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 23 2025 5:37 utc | 788

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 5:28 utc | 798
Agree.
And there’s a long history of no one caring
JFK
9/11
con-vaxx19
A few holes in a bunker in eye-Ran. Be forgotten in a week.
Few even remember Trump bombed Syria… or assassinated Soleimani…
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Call it a night and catch you in another thread….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 23 2025 5:40 utc | 789

“Would the war on Iran continue apace or end abruptly if Trump keeled over from eating his last Big Mac?”
Is a dumb question on its face. And it is very well projected to ignore the objective and subjective realities present in Trump’s particular history vis-a-vis Iran.
Ask a better question demonstrating some specific understanding of exactly what Trump has done and then campaigned on, or answer mine first.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 5:40 utc | 790

Are you saying that there is no one in the Secret Service who is actually loyal to the US president (regardless of who holds the office)? Or, specifically, to this president?
Posted by: Jane | Jun 23 2025 5:24 utc | 796
Absolutely.
For one, who in their right minds would be loyal to a superficial idiot who raises a foreign country above his own?
If the loyalty is to a person, then it is to a manifestly corrupt person, one who has betrayed the State itself in the service of a foreign power: Hence, the loyalty of such an agent cannot be “loyalty” but merely “corrupt attachment to power”.
And as we know, “corrupt attachment to power” can be bought and sold on the open market. It is not loyalty.

Next consider if the Zionist oligarchs who rule America would allow anyone other than their own through the SS selection process?

The CIA and NSA are complete Mossad Trojan Horses. Every institution of any meaning in the U.S is shot-through with Mossad, MI6 and European intelligence operatives at the highest levels.
Finally, should the loyalty of anyone in the Secret Service be to the current oligarch-selected ruler or to the Constitution?
One who is loyal to a ruler in a democracy is corrupt in his ideals from inception. One who is corrupt from inception cannot fathom loyalty, they are the first to be compromised.

Even the Praetorian Guard of Rome were never loyal to the Emperors. In fact, they were more famed for dethroning them than anything else.

Essentially, my argument is that the construct of “loyalty” to a sitting POTUS is incongruent with the structure of the system.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 5:43 utc | 791

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 23 2025 5:42 utc | 806
My ? about citizenship was more about have you ever spent time in the US, or been subjected to our partisan politics and election cycle lies and nonsense on a regular basis or not.
My points about Trump seem to be going over your head. Which is not an insult. It’s because by your previous answers and posts, I assume you’re not a USian and therefore not really qualified to have the kind of conversation I was getting at with my posts about how Trump has always been the guy who was going to go to war on Iran without any deference to his fake “no new wars” campaign bullshit.
So let me rephrase: Are you eligible to vote in US federal or state elections, or not?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 5:45 utc | 792

Beyond Redemption:
The Globe and Mail
Carney to sign defence pacts with EU and NATO as Middle East conflict takes centre
Say what?

Posted by: Laurence | Jun 23 2025 5:46 utc | 793

Are you saying that there is no one in the Secret Service who is actually loyal to the US president (regardless of who holds the office)? Or, specifically, to this president?
Posted by: Jane | Jun 23 2025 5:24 utc | 796
Jane, you don’t strike me as stupid. Most Presidents have some number of loyal agents, but it’s not like there is a greasy Ben-Gvir type literally in the room with a knife. It takes more than guards to actually be safe in the modern era- the more people you have to rely on, the less safe you are. The more powerful the groups against you, the more intimidating it is to resist.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 5:48 utc | 794