The Deep State Is Still Sabotaging Presidential Policies
Ambassador M.K. Bhadrakumar reminds us of subtle maneuvers by deep state actors to sabotage presidential policies.
When a U.S. spy plane was shot down over the Soviet Union President Dwight Eisenhower had not be informed about its real mission. The CIA claimed that it had been a weather plane that went off course after its pilot was incapacitated. The president repeated that tale.
The Soviets then published that the wreckage of the U-2 spy plane had been recovered and the pilot captured alive. The Soviets were miffed of being lied to and Eisenhower's attempt of detente with them failed.
Bhadrakumar sees a parallel in the recent Ukrainian drone attacks on strategic bomber on several Russian air field.
President Trump, in a call with the Russian president Putin, claimed that the U.S. had had no knowledge of the attack. That is, as several former CIA members confirm, implausible. The operation had been the making for 18 month which means that it had been initiated under President Biden. U.S. and/or British intelligence was certainly involved in designating the targets.
It seem that Trump, like Eisenhower before him, was not informed and thus embarrassed himself.
While Trump was talking with Putin Russian officials warned that deep state forces within the U.S. have not changed their anti-Russian aims:
Moscow should take very seriously reports that certain circles in the United States want to see Russia destroyed, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said at a news conference at TASS ..
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"The fact that certain circles in the United States have been and are still hatching plans to move towards eradicating Russia as a state is also undeniable. It is enough to follow the discussions that are taking place, including on political science platforms. We should not underestimate the consequences of such a mindset," the deputy minister noted.
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His comments came in response to the words of Brazilian leader Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva in an interview with Le Monde, who argued that former US President Joe Biden, during his administration, mentioned a desire to destroy Russia.
Ryabkov probably though of an upcoming conference about the 'fracturing states' of 'one of the globe’s last colonial empires', i.e. Russia, by the CIA connected Jamestown Foundation. The invitation to the conference says:
The Kremlin’s imperial ambitions in Ukraine come at the cost of potential mutinies, fracture, and dissolution at home. Understanding the consequences of Russia’s deteriorating internal conditions will be the main topic of the upcoming conference, which will involve experts in foreign affairs, defense, and geopolitics, along with representatives of Russia’s captive nations long-recognized by the United States. Russia is one of the globe’s last colonial empires, denying captive nations the right to self-determination and independence. Whether it remains an aggressive imperial power committed to threatening its neighbors or otherwise devolves into fracturing states, U.S. and allied policymakers cannot afford to ignore Russia’s future.
While Trump is at least somewhat attempting to create better relations with the Russian Federation parts of the foreign policy blob are still dreaming of dismantling it.
We are seeing similar attempts of counteracting presidential policies with regards to China.
On May 11 during trade talks between the U.S. and China in Geneva both sides agreed to calm things down:
Both sides reduced their tariffs. China also promised to reduce some of its non tariff measures:
China will [..] adopt all necessary administrative measures to suspend or remove the non-tariff countermeasures taken against the United States since April 2, 2025.The financial markets relaxed and everyone was happy about it.
But on May 14, the very same day the new rules were to apply, the U.S. introduced new and extremely harsh measures against Chinese products:
The US Commerce Department issued guidance stating that the use of Huawei Technologies Co’s Ascend artificial intelligence (AI) chips “anywhere in the world” violates the government’s export controls, escalating US efforts to curb technological advances in China.The agency’s Bureau of Industry and Security said in a statement on Tuesday that it is also planning to warn the public about “the potential consequences of allowing US AI chips to be used for training and inference of Chinese AI models”.
While this may not have been a technical breach of the Geneva agreement it certainly violated the spirit of the agreed upon Joint Statement: ...
In consequence China continued to withhold export licensees for rare earth products which U.S. industries need. Trump was furious about this but seemingly without understanding what had caused China to take that step.
On Thursday a phone called between Trump and President Xi tried to calm things down (archived).
The two leaders, speaking for the first time since Trump became president, agreed to another round of high-level trade talks to follow up on the truce reached in Geneva last month, and exchanged invitations for state visits.
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Trump said on Truth Social “there should no longer be any questions respecting the complexity of Rare Earth products,” but the Chinese readout didn’t mention the issue.
On Friday, just a day after the president's attempt to calm down trade issues with China, four deep state actors set out to again sabotage him:
The U.S. in recent days suspended licenses for nuclear equipment suppliers to sell to China's power plants, according to four people familiar with the matter, as the two countries engage in a damaging trade war.The suspensions were sent to companies by the U.S. Department of Commerce, the people said, and affect export licenses for parts and equipment used with nuclear power plants.
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Nuclear equipment suppliers are among a wide range of companies whose sales have been restricted over the past two weeks as the U.S.-China trade war shifted from negotiating tariffs to throttling each other's supply chains. It is unclear whether a Thursday call between U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping would affect the suspensions.
Why, just a day after Trump's call with Xi, did 'four people familiar with the matter' found it necessary to inform Reuters of this?
This is, like the withholding of information on CIA operations in Russia, a measure to embarrass the president in eyes U.S. opponents. It is also an obvious attempt to sabotage trade with China.
The Chinese will note that the president's words get counteracted by his administration. Why should they even talk with him when he is not able to impose his own policies on the people who are supposedly working for him?
In consequence U.S. companies will have wo wait longer to be allowed to purchase the rare earth products they urgently need and can only get from China.
Posted by b on June 7, 2025 at 11:42 UTC | Permalink
next page »Thank you, b. This was an important revelation, but I'm not sure that I would say Trump embarrassed himself. He acted on what he knew, and if he did not want to know that would be one thing. It is not clear to me that he did not want to know. That at present others are deliberately withholding information from him is a serious matter that needs to be addressed. When and if that shall be possible, fortunately the Russians are aware, for which we can be very grateful.
Posted by: juliania | Jun 7 2025 12:01 utc | 2
"Russia is one of the globe’s last colonial empires, denying captive nations the right to self-determination and independence."
These people actually believe their own BS, which makes it all the more dangerous. I think you're spot on B, 'spiderweb' began in the Biden admin and carried on as a sleeper cell within the new admin. Likely there were elements in the CIA that still had their hands in it, siloed off from the chain of command.
Posted by: Mike R | Jun 7 2025 12:05 utc | 3
The Biden Administration showed that the US Government didn’t even even need a compos mentis president to function. You could put a garden gnome in the White House and it would still function.
Decisions are made at lower levels than the President and it is only if and when deemed necessary that the President is informed. A good example of this was Dick Cheney. Even though he was Vice President he controlled the flow of information to Bush. It first landed on his table and the he decided what info the President would see.
Trump 1.0 was impeached because a lower level staffer didn’t agree with his decisions with regard to Russia and Ukraine even though Trump was the President and as such foreign policy was his prerogative.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 7 2025 12:10 utc | 4
I believe this is an issue which the American public can address in the midterms. Scrutiny must be given to all potential Congressional candidates at that time. It may not be possible to defeat those who think withholding information from the President is a good thing, but no matter how charismatic the candidate, if they cannot be strong enough to support Trump in this, the rot will continue.
Posted by: juliania | Jun 7 2025 12:15 utc | 5
A certain powerful ethnic group in the USA has a bloodthirsty manic hatred of Orthodox Christians. They are the root cause.
Posted by: Exile | Jun 7 2025 12:22 utc | 7
https://www.rt.com/russia/618753-ukraines-most-reckless-attack/
The above article clarifies many doubts and lists the main remaining doubt.
I ask permission from b to transcribe the article here, for those who are under censorship (Canada, United Kingdom and European Union*) and without access to Russian media).
*Plato's Cave or Borrell's Garden
Ukraine’s most reckless attack: Was NATO behind it?
The logistics, timing, and technology behind the attack raise bigger questions about who was really involved
By Dmitry Kornev, military expert, founder and author of the MilitaryRussia project
While Western headlines celebrated Operation Spider’s Web as a daring feat of Ukrainian ingenuity, a closer look reveals something far more calculated – and far less Ukrainian. This wasn’t just a strike on Russian airfields. It was a test – one that blended high-tech sabotage, covert infiltration, and satellite-guided timing with the kind of precision that only the world’s most advanced intelligence networks can deliver. And it begs the question: who was really pulling the strings?
Let’s be honest. Ukraine’s Main Directorate of Intelligence didn’t act alone. It couldn’t have.
Even if no Western agency was directly involved in the operation itself, the broader picture is clear: Ukraine’s Main Directorate of Intelligence, its military, and even its top political leadership rely heavily on Western intelligence feeds. Ukraine is deeply embedded within NATO’s intelligence-sharing architecture. The idea of a self-contained Ukrainian intel ecosystem is largely a thing of the past. These days, Kiev draws primarily on NATO-provided data, supplementing it with its own domestic sources where it can.
That’s the backdrop – a hybrid model that’s become standard over the past two years. Now, let’s look more closely at Operation Spider’s Web itself. We know the planning took roughly 18 months and involved moving drones covertly into Russian territory, hiding them, and then orchestrating coordinated attacks on key airfields. So how likely is it that Western intelligence agencies had a hand in such a complex operation?
Start with logistics. It’s been reported that 117 drones were prepped for launch inside Russia. Given that numerous private companies in Russia currently manufacture drones for the war effort, it wouldn’t have been difficult to assemble the necessary devices under that cover. That’s almost certainly what happened. Components were likely purchased domestically under the guise of supplying the “Special Military Operation.” Still, it’s hard to believe Ukraine’s Main Directorate of Intelligence could have pulled off this mass procurement and assembly alone. It’s highly likely Western intelligence agencies played a quiet but crucial role – especially in securing specialized components.
Then there’s the explosives. If the operation’s command center was located in the Ural region, as some suggest, it’s plausible that explosives or components were smuggled in via neighboring CIS countries. That kind of border-hopping precision doesn’t happen without outside help. In fact, it mirrors tactics long perfected by intelligence services in both the US and Western Europe.
Because make no mistake: this wasn’t just the CIA’s playground. European services – particularly those in the UK, France, and Germany – possess the same capabilities to execute and conceal such an operation. The NATO intelligence community may have different national flags, but it speaks with one voice in the field.
The real giveaway, however, lies in the timing of the strikes. These weren’t blind attacks on static targets. Russia’s strategic bombers frequently rotate bases. Commercial satellite imagery – updated every few days at best – simply can’t track aircraft on the move. And yet these drones struck with exquisite timing. That points to a steady flow of real-time surveillance, likely derived from signals intelligence, radar tracking, and live satellite feeds – all tools in the Western intelligence toolbox.
Could Ukraine, on its own, have mustered that kind of persistent, multidomain awareness? Not a chance. That level of situational intelligence is the domain of NATO’s most capable agencies – particularly those tasked with monitoring Russian military infrastructure as part of their day job.
For years now, Ukraine has been described in Western media as a plucky underdog using low-cost tactics to take on a larger foe. But beneath the David vs. Goliath narrative lies a more uncomfortable truth: Ukraine’s intelligence ecosystem is now deeply embedded within NATO’s operational architecture. Real-time feeds from US and European satellites, intercepts from British SIGINT stations, operational planning consultations with Western handlers – this is the new normal.
Ukraine still has its own sources, but it’s no longer running a self-contained intelligence operation. That era ended with the first HIMARS launch.
Western officials, of course, deny direct involvement. But Russian investigators are already analyzing mobile traffic around the impact sites. If it turns out that these drones weren’t connected to commercial mobile networks – if, instead, they were guided through encrypted, military-grade links – it will be damning. Not only would that confirm foreign operational input, it would expose the full extent of how Western assets operated inside Russia without detection.
At that point, no amount of plausible deniability will cover the truth. The question will no longer be whether NATO participated – but how deep that participation ran.
Posted by: Elber | Jun 7 2025 12:22 utc | 8
This is the reason Trump appointed Bolton to his last administration.
Because Bolton had a reputation for sorting out recalcitrant bureaucracy.
Posted by: Justin | Jun 7 2025 12:23 utc | 9
The Kremlin’s imperial ambitions in Ukraine come at the cost of potential mutinies, fracture, and dissolution at home. Understanding the consequences of Russia’s deteriorating internal conditions will be the main topic of the upcoming conference, which will involve experts in foreign affairs, defense, and geopolitics, along with representatives of Russia’s captive nations long-recognized by the United States. Russia is one of the globe’s last colonial empires, denying captive nations the right to self-determination and independence. Whether it remains an aggressive imperial power committed to threatening its neighbors or otherwise devolves into fracturing states, U.S. and allied policymakers cannot afford to ignore Russia’s future.
This is just projection of their own wishes and problems, and they know it....
You can interchange Kremlin and Russia in that paragraph by The West and reads more adjusted to reality...say....
"The West´s imperial ambitions in Ukraine come at the cost of potential mutinies, fracture, and dissolution at home. Understanding the consequences of The West’s deteriorating internal conditions will be the main topic of the upcoming conference, which will involve experts in foreign affairs, defense, and geopolitics, along with representatives of The West’s captive nations long-recognized by Russia ( i.e EU, South Korea, Japan, etc....) The West is one of the globe’s last colonial empires, denying captive nations the right to self-determination and independence. Whether it remains an aggressive imperial power committed to threatening its neighbors or otherwise devolves into fracturing states, Russia and allied policymakers cannot afford to ignore The West’s future...."
Russia should be calling a conference on this topic....
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Jun 7 2025 12:24 utc | 10
Can't wait to see the results of any election (or even pre-polling) for Musk's potential new party. I would suggest a massive, massive hiding. The guy lives in such a deluded universe that he'd blind himself to just how many people loathe him, distrust him, ridicule him. Such a public trouncing might, just might, bring about his disappearance from public view. Just his act of running for POTUS would be the lowest level of US politics, EVER. Can you imagine the reaction of White House staff, Gov Agencies, to a loony like that in charge of the asylum. Lol.
Fuck off to Mars, already Elon.
Posted by: The 51st State | Jun 7 2025 12:25 utc | 11
Posted by: Down South | Jun 7 2025 12:10 utc | 4
Cheney was an aberration, or at least that was what I was told and read in many places. Bush Junior was so stupid and weak that the whole admin was set up from scratch to be a personal fiefdom of Cheney , and by extension of the Israel-First Neocons. He was also supposedly a drunk, just like his President. Funny how all the public key people in decision-making are damaged in some way and thus easily exploited by smarter and more powerful individuals,ha?
In any case, we know that Biden wasn’t calling the shots with Obama, nor was the Couch-surfer Pence with Trump 1.0. However, you are right that the underlings of the President do a lot of gatekeeping of issues and information flow to the President. In effect, they are to him what mass media is to us.
Yes, you are correct , Biden was just a body-double of Bernie from “ Weekend at Bernie’s”.
Posted by: Mustee | Jun 7 2025 12:34 utc | 12
The future for Russian Lindsey Grahams, Mike Pompeos, and Sidney Blumenthals would be complicated and bleak.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 7 2025 12:38 utc | 14
"I believe this is an issue which the American public can address in the midterms."
Only if you believe that the U.S. is a democracy. Ruthless profit-making (capitalism) does not allow for democratic decision-making. Until we get rid of that system and convert to an international one based on using the earth's resources for the good of humanity rather than enriching the elite, genocides (intended and incidental) will continue.
Why shouldn't we do that? They'll kill us off (or make us envy the dead) if we don't.
Posted by: Linda | Jun 7 2025 12:38 utc | 15
I once tried to help a local company get a rare earth so that they could produce LEDs with radiation in the red spectrum. A Grow Light, much sought after in the indoor growing community *cough*. The application process was very efficient. But they were denied and in a few months China produced large size LEDs in the correct spectrum for the U.S. market. This was in the early 2000s. China has always been very sly in it's control of these resources. Nothing new.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Jun 7 2025 12:38 utc | 16
Posted by: Elber | Jun 7 2025 12:22 utc | 8
Thank you for posting this, Elber.
Posted by: juliania | Jun 7 2025 12:41 utc | 17
In yesterday's Ukraine thread I posted a link to a video that Gonzalo Lira (RIP) made in March 2022 about the background, motivations and activities of Victoria Nuland. It is almost 2 hours long, but I took the time to listen to it again. It is still highly relevant to the current situation and also how deep state operatives work.
I believe Gonzalo was absolutely correct about Nuland, and I believe she decided to kill him (slowly).
What Gonzalo described is relevant to the people behind the recent attacks on Russia, which are obviously designed to sabotage Trumps relation with Russia and possibly remove him. This is "Russiagate" squared.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 7 2025 12:44 utc | 18
Unz contributor Hua Bin made a plausible suggestion that the mysterious drone swarms over New Jersey last December were likely preparation for the drone attacks on Russian airfields. This being the case, Trump’s ignorance is inexcusable.
Posted by: Diminushoner | Jun 7 2025 12:55 utc | 20
@ Norwegian - Gonzalo made a prediction quite some time ago that I believe will eventually come true because the logic for it remains overwhelming. He predicted that eventually that Europeans would come to understand who destroyed Nord Stream and would speak of it out loud. Fences would be mended with Russia...on one condition. That the troublemakers that committed that sabotage be expelled from Europe. We are at a stage now where humanity itself is on trial.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 7 2025 12:58 utc | 21
@chunga | Jun 7 2025 12:58 utc | 21
If you know where he said that I would be interested to revisit it. I agree the scenario you described makes sense. In fact nothing else makes sense. I hope to see it happen soon.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 7 2025 13:05 utc | 22
Posted by: Elmore | Jun 7 2025 13:10 utc | 23
As far as colonialism goes, Russia is behind the times.
For the past 60 years, the USA has practiced "Franchise Imperialism". As the term implies, it means the the government in country X gets to run the store and hire, fire and abuse the workers, skim the till, etc., in any manner they chose, as long as the country follows the diktats of Head Office. The rules of franchise operation are essentially described in the neo-Liberal Washington Consensus. The most important operating principal being, privatize the gains and socialize the losses.
Failure to comply will result in the termination of franchise operation rights and the installation of a new operator. Auditors, like the CIA, USAid, etc. will always be present to ensure swift compliance. In extreme cases the store may be bombed.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jun 7 2025 13:10 utc | 24
I'm pretty sure it was during the time period when he was doing the roundtables. Many of his videos are still on rumble but I've yet to find it. If I do I'll be glad to share it. He said it would be the biggest geopolitical event in a very long time.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 7 2025 13:11 utc | 25
[email protected] Pigs, one of, if not Gonzalo Lira's greatest gift to humanity. It really does deserve some kind of international recognition, Truth to Lies, for outing the bastards for who and what they are.....
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 7 2025 13:14 utc | 26
Posted by: The 51st State | Jun 7 2025 12:25 utc | 11
I disagree with you!* Especially because I don't know of any country in the world where the head of state (elected, elected, elected...) is not a native citizen!
*But we won't discuss that here. In the Ukraine thread, someone made a comment about the nature of current German political parties, and the thread ended up being hijacked!!
Posted by: Elber | Jun 7 2025 13:16 utc | 27
Russia should shoot down 1~2 of the US spy satellites which were most definitely collecting intel in preparation for the drone attack. In addition, sic an Oreshnik on Wiesbaden. No not the civilian city, what are you trying to make of me--just the ops center were everybody's job is to kill Russians, the more the better (although I wouldn't mind if the good people of Wiesbaden are put on notice that they bleed just as well as Russians, and that there may be consequences for waging war on the latter).
Then and only then, you can call Trump and say "We've made our point; you want to continue playing this game, or shall we talk things over?" Lavrov calling Rubio for permission to protect Russia's own nuclear triad is horrible optics and horrible diplomacy. I'm sure Rubio c.s. congratulate themselves on a frog well boiled. Second-guessing what Trump did, didn't, or didn't want to know is a losing game; in all permutations, Russia is well in its right to hold him responsible.
As for the other spat: if one wanted to join the Trump Administration then even all the way from my distance, it was clear that flexing "tough on China" the hardest you can was the only way to even just qualify for an interview. So once you fill the whole train with war hawks, racists, fanatics, and other assorted crackpots, what did you think would happen? Donald Trump is a sorcerer's apprentice losing control.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Jun 7 2025 13:17 utc | 28
@sean the leprechaun | Jun 7 2025 13:14 utc | 26
Thank you, I will check it.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 7 2025 13:20 utc | 29
Exile, 7 & 13
For that ethnic group this is a drama in the Pale of Settlement. Which is theirs. Their homeland. Their turf. Entirely up to them how matters are disposed of.
One simple structural advantage they have is they are very familiar with the turf. Americans always defer to them. For many reasons but often simply because Americans know nothing of the world beyond the water's edge.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 7 2025 13:20 utc | 30
Bhadrakumar's example of the U2 incident is very pertinent.
Amidst a multiplicity of different interpretations of Russia's "response" to the strategic nuclear bomber strikes (including even Ray McGovern's crack-hopium addiction induced claim that Putin "trusts" Trump and wants cooperation with the US more than anything else in the world), here is my prediction, for what it's worth. It will probably be wrong, at least in part, although it might also be right in part. Described here is the 'hard' option, but maybe the Russians will go for softer options (my basis is to assume the worst scenario, and examine what might happen).
1) Of course, ongoing strikes on Ukraine are not the response; the response will be meticulously prepared in tight-lipped silence, and will be served well chilled.
2) Once the west has been lulled into thinking that the "response" has already been made and is no longer fully expecting a real response - and once every duck is lined up for every aspect of the real response - only then the real response will come, at Russia's convenience - every component timed in one big wallop.
3) Oreshnik strike on the UK nuclear submarine base on the Clyde. This will not only be directed against the main protagonist of the strategic bomber strikes against Russia (i.e. the UK), but also as warning against the Americans. As far as I know the UK can only manage to get one sub out of the base at a time because most are in maintenance most of the time, and my guess is the Russians have that one sub tailed and will be simultaneously neutralised. The rest will be destroyed in the destruction of the base.
4) Possible alternative strikes against the UK might be against MI6 headquarters, or perhaps less likely strategic listening posts such as GCHQ, the RAF base on Cyprus, etc.
5) Strikes on the US might be concentrated on the comprehensive elimination of US strategic satellites. Starting with (or perhaps only) those used in Ukraine, then possibly expanding.
6) Russia will avoid a head-on strike against US strategic bombers, which could provoke a nuclear response; but the US is less likely to launch nuclear weapons in response to the destruction of the UK nuclear sub base, after the UK had primarily (my assumption) organised the attack on Russian strategic bombers.
7) Will the Russians expect nuclear escalation? Maybe. But maybe a US first strike is the plan anyway, unless Russia can force them to give up.
Posted by: BM | Jun 7 2025 13:20 utc | 31
This is not the first time such conference was held in regards to breaking up the Russian Federation. If my memory recalls, there was one held about two years ago. Who is funding this conference? If one checks into those sponsors you may get some idea about the culprits. Boy, the country more divided than anyone else is the United States. The citizens are at each other’s throats because of ideological, social or cultural differences. The political system may have differences amongst themselves but at the end of the day, they despise the actual citizens who vote them into office and act with impunity against many wishes of their constituents. In my opinion, I feel like there are 4 countries on the Northern Hemisphere. Canada, Mexico, the United States and Washington District of Columbia. They consider themselves more like a “Vatican” like state than as a capital of a country. They need the citizens only to vote them into office. And they get to do whatever they wish once elected. And what gets me the most is the fact that we are flat broke. A debt that will grow to the moon, much earlier than our astronauts would get there. How can they speak of breaking up the Russians if we are far more broken in many ways more than they are?
Posted by: Jose Garcia | Jun 7 2025 13:24 utc | 32
"Cheney was an aberration, or at least that was what I was told and read in many places. Bush Junior was so stupid and weak that the whole admin was set up from scratch to be a personal fiefdom of Cheney , and by extension of the Israel-First Neocons. He was also supposedly a drunk, just like his President. Funny how all the public key people in decision-making are damaged in some way and thus easily exploited by smarter and more powerful individuals.."
I suppose this is what you get from following a narrative.
GHWB was in the White House and in control the whole goddamned time.
You can tell by the fact that he was never mentioned.
Slightly different than following the "reporting", but sort of the same in a simple mirror image manner.
Is analysis a phantom?
this shit should be transparently obvious.
Why narrative matters, I guess.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Jun 7 2025 13:32 utc | 33
I fully back b‘s reading of this situation; if not by argument, then from my intuition. There is however evidence, scattered about like pieces of a giant puzzle. And some of them connect to bigger shapes with the most recent finds: Trump told Putin that he was not involved - and he spilled some beans on NS2 soon after. Watch how it all comes together in his rhetoric during the presser with Fritzler as he says „I did it but do regret“.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 7 2025 13:33 utc | 34
One simple structural advantage they have is they are very familiar with the turf.
‘Coassacks under the bed’ doesn’t qualify. LOL
Posted by: Exile | Jun 7 2025 13:38 utc | 35
Posted by: juliania | Jun 7 2025 12:01 utc | 2
RE: withheld info---DJT can't know what he does not know
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Deep elements in Allen Dulle's CIA "embarrassed" fledgling president JFK right out of the starting gate w/ the Bay of Pigs, a well-engineered covert operation to *force* JFK to send troops into Cuba in order to save American assets.
JFK did not succumb to Dulles's machinations & maneuvers during that incident---and eventually fired Dulles.
But a coterie of Beltway actors attached to the Deep State kept the momentum going, even though these figures were not any longer on the federal government's payroll. From such elements think-tanks are born.
James Douglass's book "JFK and The Unspeakable" lays this out well and other heretofore unknown, unexamined aspects of the CIA's constant thwarting of JFK's agenda.
RFKjr claims Douglass's book captures the realities of How Things Went Down better than others.
In a podcast w/ Judge Nap, Ritter spoke of the extent to which Russia has been swiss-cheesed by a series of CIA-run "Russia Houses," the deepest most clandestine of Deep State footholds throughout the RF.
Ritter portrayed a situation where CIA director John Ratcliffe quite simply "would not know what he does not know" about the degree to which these Russia Houses facilitate special ops for taking Russia down.
These Russia Houses and other clandestine groups like them continue their functions regardless of who moves into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. It's not a Republican/Democrat thing.
Recall that The Directive, no matter who is president, is to
1) crush Russia
2) regime-change Russia
3) dismember Russia
The Directive does not change just because someone like DJT, who "knows Putin very well" and who "has always gotten along with Putin" comes into the White House.
Clandestine elements of the Deep State do not inform DJT know about their actions & endeavors because such knowledge is above DJT's paygrade.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 7 2025 13:44 utc | 36
Posted by: Not Ewe | Jun 7 2025 13:32 utc | 33
No I didn’t consider this , nor heard of it at all. The main reason I didn’t consider it was because I thought him too old and demented by then to be able to formulate plans etc. In his latter years they kept showing him in a wheelchair with one leg splayed out and him drooling ; a kind of “Steven Hawking Face” - looking type. Almost made me feel sorry for the prick.
Food for thought and I will look into it further.
Posted by: Mustee | Jun 7 2025 13:45 utc | 37
That is Trump's problem. His country, his problem.
If that is supposed to be some kind of excuse for him, it doesn't work. He is a proven liar and can not be trusted.
There is no evidence, at least in the public domain, that DT is trying in earnest to improve relations with Russia. Any internal sabotage of his disingenuous moves can't do much harm, only exposes the existence of forces bent on "destroying Russia". That's not new. If the Russians are aware of them, you'd think DT is and is doing something about it. But he isn't.
Posted by: JB | Jun 7 2025 13:46 utc | 38
For those interested in this conference, here’s the link. The speakers are a sight to behold.
https://jamestown.org/event/join-us-on-june-12-russias-future-a-challenge-for-u-s-policy/
Posted by: Jose Garcia | Jun 7 2025 13:46 utc | 39
"Russia is one of the globe’s last colonial empires, denying captive nations the right to self-determination and independence." The proverbial pot bottom calling the kettle "black". In fact, the pot bottom is far blacker than the kettle.
Posted by: Maracatu | Jun 7 2025 13:46 utc | 40
@ Norwegian - Gonzalo made a prediction quite some time ago that I believe will eventually come true because the logic for it remains overwhelming. He predicted that eventually that Europeans would come to understand who destroyed Nord Stream and would speak of it out loud. Fences would be mended with Russia...on one condition. That the troublemakers that committed that sabotage be expelled from Europe. We are at a stage now where humanity itself is on trial.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 7 2025 12:58 utc | 21
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Bingo!
This is going to happen, you know! How cool that you recorded this here!
Now, read the Posted by: persiflo | Jun 7 2025 13:33 utc | 34
Posted by: Elber | Jun 7 2025 13:46 utc | 41
Posted by: juliania | Jun 7 2025 12:01 utc | 2
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 7 2025 13:44 utc | 36
RE: Deep State dictates
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Nota Bene: The CIA *should* report back to the new admin because the CIA is part of the federal government but the CIA doesn’t report back or even check in—-they do their own thing: presidents come & go, but a rogue operation led by a rogue agency runs in perpetuity beneath the vicissitudes of various U.S. admins.
Reasonable presidents & reasonable members of the president's Cabinet know the rules and live within the confines the rules dictate.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 7 2025 13:48 utc | 42
Clyde strikes me as a great target for a hazelnut or two. Now I really wonder about the damage profile at Yuzhmash … though let me suggest we draw a line about here on how far we go with our OSINT obsessions. Remember it is live and let live after all. If anyone feels like leaking, please go somewhere else. —
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 7 2025 13:52 utc | 43
I had the same thoughts as Mr. Bhadrakumar: the cia fingerprints are all over these attempts to disrupt diplomacy. Back then, the threat was diplomacy between the US and Soviets, leading to what Eisenhower hoped would be a lasting peace. Peace is the last thing the cia needs. Which is why they deliberately allowed the U-2 to fly with an insufficient amount of hydrogen (trace amounts of hydrogen were infused with jet fuel to assist combustion at high altitude). Anyway, to make a long story short, the cia planned it all to make sure that Eisenhower’s peace initiative would never happen. The U-2, which violated Soviet airspace, crashed after Powers parachuted safely out of it. Washington knew the plane was down but didn’t know Powers survived and said nothing - the “Peace” conference was only 2 weeks away. Washington tried to sell the line that it was a weather plane gone awry, a high altitude plane that was part of NASA’s space program. After a week of silence, Khrushchev acknowledged that he had the remnants of the plane, and that Powers was alive and well. He stopped short of accusing Eisenhower of knowing that the flight had been ordered over Soviet territory and said “I am prepared to grant that the President had no knowledge of a plane being dispatched to the CCCP and failing to return; but that should alert us still more.”
For workers in the US, we should also be on alert. Russia is being encircled now, just as was the CCCP in the Cold War. When the Soviets collapsed, the US, EU and NATO assumed they could acquire and control whatever remained of the wreckage. Yeltsin, the US puppet, was ordered to dismantle the CCCP and outlaw the CP. The plan was that NATO and its’ political wing, the EU, would then expand eastwards to devour all the Eastern European and former Soviet states into the US-EU military alliance. A number of countries resisted, Belarus, Yugoslavia, Russia and at the time even Ukraine. In the 1st decade of the new century, the EU and NATO along with the US attempted to encircle Russia because of its stubbornness in not recognizing a world run by and for the US, which thought of itself as the sole major power in the world. Defeated in Latin America and losing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US turned its’ attention back to Russia. In 2008, the US encouraged Georgia to attack South Ossetia. This led to a short war, in which Russia defeated the Israeli-trained forces of Georgia. This made the US more determined to go for Ukraine using its’ EU and NATO stooges. As everyone knows, eventually in 2014 demonstrators brandishing EU flags, supported by neo-nazis and armed fascists, took to the streets of Kiev to attack the government, which fled to Russia.
Part of the US fleet is in the Persian Gulf. Some of the most advanced US warships capable of firing missiles with nuclear warheads are in the Black Sea and more NATO war-games seem to be an annual event in the Baltic sea. Syria and Iraq are in chaos and there are US bases in Kuwait, Bahrain, SA, Qatar, UAE and Oman as well as the huge complex of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.
Capitalism is experiencing a dire economic situation that shows little sign of lifting. In this context, warning of the drive to war led by the US, not Russia, is not scaremongering. Capitalism has nowhere to go. It is in absolute decline. Without a working class response taking responsibility for its’ own future, war is always a potential outcome. Now, more than ever, it’s a time for the working class to make a stand against war.
Posted by: zeke2u | Jun 7 2025 13:53 utc | 44
I tried placing the link to the conference but doesn’t seem to work. But that’s okay. I encourage everyone to go to the website and see what the conference entails and the speakers they have lined up. Delphi Global Research Group in another sponsor of this conference. Maybe someone can look into them. Again I highly encourage everyone to see the Jamestown website.
Posted by: Jose Garcia | Jun 7 2025 13:54 utc | 45
Exile @ 35
Doesn't qualify for much. I didn't say they were smart. To make them and dumb Americans believe they are all brilliant, it will do. To motivate them it will do. When average is absolute zero, forty below feels warm.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 7 2025 13:55 utc | 46
I believe the Ukranians attacked a Russian nuclear radar station in May 2024 Now we have an attack on strategic bombers a little over a year later. If the planning for this latest attack goes back 1.5 years, and the earlier attack falls within the same window, plus we know that an attack on the equipment and infrastructure changes nothing materially for Ukraine but the degradation benefits NATO, one has to take seriously that this is simply a 'boil the frog' approach to degradation of the Russian nuclear capability.
Posted by: Olivio DeOliveira | Jun 7 2025 13:55 utc | 47
Posted by: Jose Garcia | Jun 7 2025 13:24 utc | 32
They don’t care. They keep doubling down like a desperate gambler at blackjack in Las Vegas. They aim to pay for it all with the loot they steal from Russia once they conquer it. No real care for winning either. They can always loot their vassals, their own citizens and the rest of the world if they maintain military hegemony. Bombing Nordstream and making their EU allies pay through the nose for hydrocarbons is the proof in the pudding.
THAT is the Holy Grail; maintaining military power if Russia and/or China do become both the preeminent richest and developed countries. Which is a pipe dream of course. With power and money comes military hegemony and as China and Russia rise ,the US will fall in relative terms. Russia and China will do ti the US what the US did to France and the UK in the Suez in 1956. As of then those latter countries left with their tails between their legs and bowed to the new Too Dog. The US will too.
Posted by: Mustee | Jun 7 2025 13:59 utc | 48
When Lindsay Graham showed up a few days before that attack in Kiev, my first thought was, I wonder what is going to happen this time after he leaves. I remember that after the ATO under Poroshenko startet, almost every time Graham or McCain, or Biden or the CIA chef, I think Brennan was his name showed up, something big happend a few days later. So I guess some of the same people are still involved.
Posted by: Fran | Jun 7 2025 14:00 utc | 49
b asks, Why, just a day after Trump's call with Xi, did 'four people familiar with the matter' found it necessary to inform Reuters of this?
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Alistair Crooke has said many times that Reuters is not a trustworthy source of information..
Informing Reuters cranks up the volume on the Mighty Wurlitzer by dark state actors.
The medium used conveys a message which reveals motive.
Posted by: suzan | Jun 7 2025 14:01 utc | 50
Concerning the occupant of the WH and his recent statements about the gas pipelines. This is not the first time he's said this. See "The Hill" "Trump's Nord Stream 2 disaster".
""Similarly, in a speech at CPAC last year, Trump noted that he “got along very well with Putin even though I’m the one that ended his pipeline. … I ended it. It was dead.” Trump added that “nobody ever heard of Nord Stream 2 until I came along.”"
The Hill outfit is critical of him that he didn't stop it. He enabled it, critical presumably on the assumption that it doesn't make sense to fund NATO to protect Europe from Russia while buying Russian gas. WHere that logic unravels is with the Ismay quote which remains operative. US being the ramrod behind and shotcaller behind NATO is for the benefit of the Empire of Lies. No one else. The rise of BRICS stems from the American habit of employing industrial sabotage as an acceptable business practice. The return on such investments is shrinking because it is becoming common knowledge.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 7 2025 14:01 utc | 51
@Mike R | Jun 7 2025 12:05 utc | 3
>>Likely there were elements in the CIA that still had their hands in it, siloed off from the chain of command.
I think a number of US Govt veterans have told us how this works: rather logically by the standards of the spook world. Through a presidential finding, Biden ordered the CIA to wage covert war (yes: kinetic war) on Russia. Since that's not the kind of document that gets aired on Twitter, he could continue to wring his hands in public when it looked as if the Ukies were overdoing it a bit: plausible deniability.
The festivities will continue until the new guy, Donald Trump, orders the same CIA to stand down. This, he clearly has not done, because as we've seen long ago, his "master dealmaking" rests upon bullying and intimidation, so he likes the leverage. And frankly, why shouldn't he: Putin indulges these games to go on and on and in turn, an entire Greek chorus praises Putin's craven behavior as "superhuman restraint."
This is how Team Trump defeated team Putin in Syria: hair-raising provocations and frog-boiling, only for Trump to turn around and say "That wasn't me, it was the Deep State; surely you know how it goes, Vlad. Just be extra nice to me, so as to strengthen my hand against your true enemies." And Putin pretty much played along until Damascus fell.
Brian Berletic gets it. Not sure what's in the Red Pills he takes, but it should be a food supplement worldwide.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Jun 7 2025 14:02 utc | 52
U$$A is deserving of the broadest contempt!
It is a banana republic, with a figurehead president out to forcibly rule the world.
There is no negotiating with the snake.
Posted by: paddy | Jun 7 2025 14:03 utc | 53
18 months preparation?????
That's just a narrative to blame "plant" Biden. You don't need more than 18 days to plan and execute that operation. It is under Trump's watch! But he doesn't have a choice. Listen or be impeached or physically removed. Lindsey Graham is more powerful figure in USA than Trampette...
Posted by: Preki | Jun 7 2025 14:05 utc | 54
Posted by: chunga | Jun 7 2025 12:58 utc | 21
and referencing Norwegian @ #18
RE: eventually Europeans would come to understand who destroyed Nord Stream and would speak of it out loud
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*Europeans* already know, including every head of state, past & current.
It is not advantageous to them to utter a peep, however, or even revisit the topic. Doing so gains them nothing.
Time will pass. Occasionally some European individual will chirp up about the NordStream, and there will be this constant probing of the Andromeda yacht narrative, the 5 Ukrainian men and the woman, who was a doctor. They'll probe Zaluzhny's role in the matter.
All of this probing will only muddy the narrative further, constantly burying it under way too many investigations. Each new investigation will elucidate a heretofore unknown tidbit of info, but even that will obscure matters further.
This captures the intent of the *investigations*: they have lost their keys in the dark but will search for them in the light.
There will never be an 'up' side to Europeans for finding out the truth of this event.
Like Mick Jagger sang in "Sympathy for the Devil"---Who killed the Kennedys-? Well, after all it was you & me.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 7 2025 14:05 utc | 55
For the first time in years, I completely disagree with the owner of the bar.
I'm firmly in the Brian Berletic camp.
You completely ignore what Trump says as he lies just about everything. Watch his actions instead.His actions before and after last weekend shows that he knew as far as I'm concerned.
Also, In my view, It's madness to believe the president of the United States didn't know the nuclear defence of Russia was going to be hit.
He's done absolutely nothing to his administration that a president who didn't know would have done. Didn't even issue a public apology.
" While Trump is at least somewhat attempting to create better relations with the Russian Federation. "
Only his words not his actions.
If he had acted on what he says he could have.....
a) Walked away
b) Stop funding Ukraine
c) Stop supplying intelligence and supplies
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think b is wrong on this and Brian Berletic is 100% right on this.
Only time will tell who called it correctly.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 7 2025 14:09 utc | 56
Trump isn't really in charge - its the deep state that's in charge, Trump is just passing through - the deep state is a permanent fixture.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 7 2025 14:11 utc | 57
Keep it short, is code for keep plans to attack Russia via Ukraine from Trump - incase he disapproves of them.
"NATO is going to keep discussions of Ukraine “short” at its upcoming annual summit in the Netherlands in order to avoid provoking US President Donald Trump, Reuters has reported, citing the organizers of the event.
The summit is scheduled to take place in The Hague on June 24 and 25. Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky, who had once been a regular guest of honor at NATO events following the escalation of the conflict between Moscow and Kiev in February 2022, has not been officially invited to attend yet.
The European NATO members are “desperate to avoid upsetting a volatile Trump” during the summit, Reuters said in an article on Friday."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 7 2025 14:15 utc | 58
@ steel_porcupine - yup, Humanity is on trial. Those that don't push back are going to suffer for it.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 7 2025 14:16 utc | 59
Trumps first term also proves he knew about the attacks.
Here:
It's all there in black and white. Trump escalated against Russia during his Whole first term.
Watch his actions NOT what he says .
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 7 2025 14:17 utc | 60
Apparently Trump - said that the attacks on Russia recently by Ukraine and its allies, which aided in the plan - gave Putin justification to launch a counter strike, which it did.
"The recent Ukrainian drone attacks on long-range nuclear-capable Russian bombers have sharply increased the risk of escalation and given Moscow a valid reason to retaliate with force, US President Donald Trump told reporters on Friday.
In addition to launching a coordinated drone strike on multiple airbases, Ukraine also blew up railway bridges in Russia last week, derailing both civilian and freight trains, killing at least seven people, and injuring over 120 others, including children. President Vladimir Putin discussed the attacks in a phone call with his US counterpart on Wednesday, warning that Moscow’s inevitable response is justified.
Trump told journalists on Friday that he “didn’t like” the escalation when asked whether Kiev’s attack on a key component of Russia’s nuclear triad changed his view of “what’s at stake” and what “cards” Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky holds.
“Well, they gave Putin a reason to go in and bomb the hell out of them last night,” Trump stated. “That’s something I didn’t like about it. When I saw it, I said: ‘Here we go… now it’s going to be a strike.’”"
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 7 2025 14:19 utc | 61
Good grief.
There is no fricken “deep state”.
It’s one coordinated organ from UK/EU/US - West, filled with public policy papers, agendas, financials & organizations for one sole purpose.
Each plays their roles.
No fricken “good guys” “white hats” or others, of any power or substance in this play. Masks are off.
It’s either full global citizens revolution & ending political/banking institutions, or trajectory stays the sane for humanity.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 7 2025 14:20 utc | 62
Thanks b and barflies.
Badhrakumar has been hovering over my ‘unreliable narrators’ column for some while now - I don’t quite think that the U2’s taking photos are equivalent to actual attacks on RF strategic sites ( its not the first is it? Remember the ballistic missile Radar attack? )
That aside …Once upon a time … some facts and some other historical ‘unreliable narratives’.
The one enduring great success the Old Bastard Families had was to take the ancient civilisations of subcontinent and turn it into the basket case India/Pakistan at the same time as they took Palestine as a consolation for having lost WW2 and as further springboards to Take EurAsia.
The U2’s used to take off from Pakistan!
That explains a lot about the basket case military dictatorships of Pakistan and it’s imprisoned Imran Khan at the hands of the US ( Drumpff hasn’t done anything about that - it seems )
There is the only plausible answer to who/what the deepstate of the Collective West is?
How long they been there?
What their grand purpose over the centuries has been and IS?
WHY THEY HATE RUSSIA and CHINA?
Why are there hundreds of US and European bases all around EurAsia?
The end of the toll/rent seeking 10%, slavers and red shield flagged thieves , murderers, pirates was at the hands of the ‘Rus’ who had enough of being the exploited peoples of the ‘World Empire’ before the exploited Eurasian Peoples came together to ‘expel them’.
Some gave up their slave religion of Rome and schismed into the Orthodox away from the control of the creators of that slave religion of the Holy Roman Empires inheritors.
‘Khazaria was under the occupation of the Western Turkic Empire, an empire stretching from Astrakhan to contemporary East Turkestan, until it was reinstated by the son of Tong Yagbhu in the 630s.’
‘ Khazaria retained a worthy degree of sovereignty until the khaganate’s destruction by the Kievan Rus’ in the year 965 with the sacking and utter demolition of Atil.’
‘Georgius Tzul, allegedly a Christian and the last Khazaraian khagan, collapsed along with his khaganate to the knees of a combined Byzantine and Rus’ian force in January 1016.’
Note - ‘Rus’ identified as being other than ukropians (khazars)
1016 to 1066 - 50 years to Guillame the Bastard Son of Robert de Falaise - the conqueror.
After the failure to take Russia the introduction of ‘Zionism’ in the same corner island at the furthest point of west EurAsia from where they launched many of the imperial colonies that make up the current 5 Eyes.
Home too of their alternative religions Capitalism/AntiCapitalism.
Known as Mariam and Bolshevik Communism.
Let’s not forget the invasion and colonisation by the various Anglo European ‘empires’ of the Americas and their ultimate melting pot Grand Empire, the USA - itself another iteration of the khazer Empire. It has spread its tentacles incorporating the precursor Anglo European colonisations across the continents.
Don’t feign dumb innocence around here pilgrims! You are just as if not more guilty NOW.
From thence it’s been a never ending dream for these Immortal Vampyre dynasties to ‘reclaim’ their ‘empire’ back from the Russians, using Europeans and many other satraps to encircle EurAsia by Sea. They always wanted India and China and nearly had it with their poisoning at gunpoint all Chinese into opium addiction.
Hope that explains to anyone the never ending animus against Russia (and China). Aswell as the desire for their massive lands and resources which are claimed by some FEW ancient dynasties - Shapeshifting through history creating wars and millions (tens, hundreds) of dead every century.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 7 2025 14:20 utc | 63
Michael J @19: "Then we know."
Unfortunately, TDS victims won't know shit. They don't know shit now. What they think they know is just a cartoon planted in their heads by mass media. They're wrestling with cognitive dissonance right this minute trying to spin up a narrative where the Deep State sabotage our host mentions is really part of Trump's secret 5D chess agenda.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 7 2025 14:24 utc | 64
Trump is a carnival barker. JFK may have had freedom of action, but the President since then is a fully owned subsidiary of Murder Inc. Americans have not figured it out yet given the enormous lengths they go to establish the illusion of internal conflict.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 7 2025 14:26 utc | 65
"In consequence China continued to withhold export licensees for rare earth products which U.S. industries need."
Not exactly:
So Trump talks to Xi, they agree to try to compromise, China fulfills it's end of the deal, and then the US responds by banning nuclear power plant equipment sales to China.
Trump, and the US more generally, are f***ed up beyond saving.
Posted by: forceOfHabit | Jun 7 2025 14:31 utc | 66
The Deep State is run by the owners of the Federal Reserve, their pals in the Defense Industry and the CIA.
Trump needs to nationalise the Fed and destroy its current owners.
He has control of the CIA, or has he??? He must root out the Deep State elements in the CIA and break the bond with the Deep State. Not easy.
Maybe the first step should be to default on all America's debt?
Posted by: Dave Pollard | Jun 7 2025 14:31 utc | 67
The CIA-Mossad U2 of Francis Gary Powers was shot down over Russia on May 1, 1960. So the Jews were already calling the shots in America's Shadow Government way back then.
The Ukraine Fake War is also a 100% CIA-Mossad experiment. It's easy to forget that Jew Vicki Nuland was in charge of the CIA plot to overthrow the Ukraine Govt and instal a govt which would do jewed-up America's bidding.
Judaism is the Blokiest and most pitiless and dishonest belief system on Earth. Jewish blokes are addicted to crying in their Holohoax pretzels when their lies are exposed. They're shitty non-humans.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 7 2025 14:32 utc | 68
I have believed that Trump would need to conduct a "night of the long knives" to have any measure of success. Blaming the "deep state" is childish. The state is behaving as it always has. Trump, if he had moral courage, would battle his those who won't bend to his will.
This is Machiavelli 101.
You either rule, or you do not. The people implicitly understand this. That was a lot of the appeal of Trump in 2015. He was from outside the system and "untainted". His lack of governing experience was considered an asset.
They broke Trump with Russiagate and then stole the 2020 election.
This time around he seems more focused on getting along and has the results to match. Last time he gave away his paycheck. This time he's focused on making money, between Israel and crypto.
I don't think it would be easy to change anything of import as US President. Trump has tried and is making the best of an impossible situation.
Unfortunately for him, he's President during a decline. Timing is against him.
I don't dislike Trump. I think America is a godless idea that has brought immense suffering into the world.
I get irritated to read MAGAs make endless excuses for what is happening. The "Deep State" is guilty of everything, making no individual accountable. Lack of accountability (bureaucracy) is always a sign of Imperial rot. Unless addressed, it becomes fatal.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 7 2025 14:39 utc | 69
Presidential foreign-policy ideas sabotaged by the deep state? After having listened to DJT's presser with Menz, I find this thesis absurd. In order for DJT's big beautiful ideas to suffer sabotage, they'd primarily have to exist, in some sense. Find a scintilla of evidence of intellection -- you know, non-dormant gray-matter? -- from that idiot who pats Menz's knee while stating MacArthur's attitude on German militarization backwards, before warning me about frustrated brilliance, honesty, or even humanity. Please.
Expecting something thoughtful like foreign-policy from such a vacuous cranial cavity is like expecting great music from a smashed harmonica: Naga happen.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 7 2025 14:40 utc | 70
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 7 2025 14:20 utc | 63
RE: don't feign dumb ignorance
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Maybe the term Deep State for some has lost its meaning, and maybe it is better to update & refresh our way of conceptualizing it as our colleague Trubind1 | Jun 7 2025 14:20 utc | suggests @ #62: "it’s one coordinated organ from UK/EU/US..."
Moreover, @DunGroanin writes that it has "been a never ending dream for these Immortal Vampyre dynasties to ‘reclaim’ their ‘empire’ back from the Russians, using Europeans and many other satraps to encircle EurAsia by Sea."
And then @Doctor Eleven reminds us @ #65 that "Trump is a carnival barker."
What president after JFK has not been exactly that-?
If those who manage The Directive are the contemporary revenants of the *Ummortal Vampyre dynasties* and they are intent on their objective, which is to crush Russia, regime-change Russia and dismember Russia, then they would *never* entrust their mission to the most carnival of all carnival barkers in the person of DJT, let alone enfranchise him into their activities.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 7 2025 14:47 utc | 71
For a president who didn't know ....
Not one investigation ?
Not one emergency meeting ?
Not one cabinet meeting that he enjoys so much ?
Nobody sacked ?
No public out burst on truth social regarding Lynsey Graham and Blumenthal ?
No call to the Europeans, Merz was given the red carpet treatment ?
No public apology ?
Hegseth was supposedly watching the attack live ?
Don't listen to what he says - watch his actions.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Trump knew, It's Israel and Iran all over again. Ukraine can do whatever it wants and America denies it then calls Russia to ask for a measured response.
It's dejavu. First came the assassination atempts, then came the terrorist attacks and then the main attack.
America denies any responsibility then calls Russia for a measured response.
It's just bog standard US foreign policy.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 7 2025 14:47 utc | 72
You're definitely on to something B. Trump is really just as much of a disposable, useful idiot as Biden. There is a permanent government in Washington that nobody elects, never leaves and ultimately calls all the shots, especially regarding foreign affairs. I'd say most of them are rabid Zionists (seems to be a prerequisite for the job).
...And this is why we have so many Imperialist TDS trolls. That's the new political play of the permanent government. Trash Trump to appear ultra left, and then install some woke Imperialist president (preferably a black woman) then accelerate the war on Russia, the genocide and the trade war on China under the cover of "leftism", "democratic renewal" or whatever. If you're opposed: your racist and sexist.
And it's not just our trolls either. The anti Trump MSM is consistently pro Israel, anti Russia. In other words, Imperialists masquerading as freedom fighters. Those are the Trump obsessives.
The only legitimate opposition to Trump is also vehemently opposed to the Imperialist Democrats, their media, their schools, their courts, their genocide, their wars, their billionaires.
The scourge of the world is simply US Imperialism. Never trust anyone who scapegoats one Imperialist party to support the other.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 7 2025 14:55 utc | 73
So, Russia is supposed to retaliate to "send a message".
To whom?
Is it possible to communicate with the Deep State?
I am sure Russia has considered this.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 7 2025 14:58 utc | 74
@Sun Of Alabama | Jun 7 2025 14:09 utc | 56
Amen. Following your advice to look at what the Donald does, isn't it always something like: come out of the gate storming with Big Beautiful (?) threats and provocations; sling every type of mud to see what sticks; only to back down just as quick when he meets serious push-back. That's how he started his Syria/Russia policy in this first term: wail about some made-up nonsense in it was Khan Sheikhun I believe, and say you're gonna lob a bunch of cruise missiles into Syria to "punish Assad". Then observe what this Putin guy he's heard so much about is gonna do about all that. When Big Bad Vlad just crawled under his bed, that cast a shadow which lingers to this very day.
Hate to say it in a way, but when Mexico and Canada teamed up against the Trump tariffs they were more effective than that. Within their resources, they actually fought back instead of deluding themselves that it must all be hidden dark forces while Donald Trump, the actual sitting President, only wants the best for them.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Jun 7 2025 14:59 utc | 75
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 7 2025 14:39 utc | 69
RE: You either rule, or you do not
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The proxy was enabled to attack the airborne-leg of Russia's nuclear triad.
Critically, it is important to view the proxy's *audacious*(TM) attack as not merely an attack on Russia, though it *was* exactly that, but as a *demonstration* to DJT by the Deep State that he does not in fact have the cards.
Their message to him: stop writing checks you can't cash.
Their message to him: you think you've got a seat at the table of Big Rollers, but you're not even in the High Stakes Room.
BTW: I'm using the term Deep State as a *shorthand* for the UK/EU/US acting in coordination with the owners of the Federal Reserve, their pals in the Defense Industry and the CIA.
DJT mainly likes to play golf and engage in public self-aggrandizing bulljive. The Deep State has already given him their blessing to tackle the domestic issues, whether concerning immigration and the border or tough-on-crime initiatives, perhaps w/ a few fentanyl-reduction objectives tossed in.
But enabling the proxy to attack the airborne-leg of Russia's nuclear triad was the Deep State's version of delivering a dead fish to DJT wrapped in butcher's paper: you're next.
Their message: know your lane/stay in your lane.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 7 2025 15:17 utc | 76
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 7 2025 15:17 utc | 76
RE: know your lane/stay in your lane
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Nota Bene: VVP knows his lane and knows judiciously how to manage his lane.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 7 2025 15:19 utc | 77
Posted by: Preki | Jun 7 2025 14:05 utc | 54
Not sure about 18 days, but for sure all of the information about the 'secret' preparation and execution of Operation Spiderweb come directly from the Ukrainians.
We should assume that they only contain a kernel of truth and many, many deceptions and misdirections.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 7 2025 15:25 utc | 78
[1] 18 months preparation. There is no way to vet this claim, which may have a political purpose, to place everything in the Bush term. In order to avoid detection (while assembling drones, procuring trucks, drivers, etc etc), there is almost certainly involvement by pre-existing networks (controlled by CIA/MI6) for moving around money and engaging help. Even aside from the ISR involved, very hard to pull something like this off undetected. We have seem similar exercises in the networks activated for the Crocus City attacks, and other assassinations.
[2] American politics are exclusively about scoring political points in the media. Nothing is ever about anything else, even if it superficially seems to be about other things.
[3] The American political class (including the think tanks and commentators) are devoid of self-awareness -- it is virtually the sole pre-requisite for entrance.
We have see such feuds between different arms of the American state before.
In Syria, we have even seen CIA and Pentagon supported proxy Jihadis actually engaged in internecine battle.
Posted by: Webej | Jun 7 2025 15:30 utc | 79
@Sun Of Alabama | Jun 7 2025 14:47 utc | 72
>>Not one investigation ? ... No public apology ?
Legit questions in themselves. But why would he take a political risk to do any of these, when all political pressure is only in the other direction? The Kremlin is working overtime to cover for him: "This is just the Ukies becoming more and more terrorist. And if a foreign power was involved, it was probably the British (whom we'll also not touch). And anyway the bombers were old, and can all be repaired. Overreacting would just give our enemies what they want. So let's just go to Istanbul like the good boys we are, and self-congratulate that we didn't take the bait."
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@LoveDonbass | Jun 7 2025 14:58 utc | 74
>>Is it possible to communicate with the Deep State?
That can be done just fine, provided you "communicate" about topics the Deep State cares about--and in their own language. The Houthis downed Reaper after Reaper, caused the loss of a manned plane or two, and gave a US supercarrier a good scare. After which the Deep State apparently said "We don't like it so much any more in the waters off Yemen."
China is not that trigger happy, but they got Trump's own oligarch backers to tell him "Sir, we're two weeks away from empty shelves--with the attendant inflation and social unrest. And oh, Boeing is facing ruin without rare-earth magnets."
Call it Trump or the Deep State, but that's how you deal with a New York wise guy.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Jun 7 2025 15:31 utc | 80
Re: Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 7 2025 14:20 utc | 62
There is no fricken “deep state”.It’s one coordinated organ from UK/EU/US - West, filled with public policy papers, agendas, financials & organizations for one sole purpose.
Each plays their roles.
No fricken “good guys” “white hats” or others, of any power or substance in this play. Masks are off.
It’s either full global citizens revolution & ending political/banking institutions, or trajectory stays the sane for humanity.
There most certainly IS a ”Deep State”.
Deep State simply means unelected - it doesn’t mean they’re hidden, unknown and in the shadows - though some certainly are.
Do you vote for the people making these decisions? No, of course you don’t.
Posted by: Julian | Jun 7 2025 15:34 utc | 81
thanks b... disturbing information which seems to highlight the malicious role some are playing within the usa power structure at present..
i 2nd @ juliania | Jun 7 2025 12:01 utc | 2 comment here..
Posted by: james | Jun 7 2025 15:40 utc | 82
The "slap a packet of ketchup on the ear" clown doesn't decide anything. He's there to entertain and distract 99% of you and he's doing a great job, which says nothing about him and everything about you.
Posted by: Jack M | Jun 7 2025 15:46 utc | 83
Anyone with half a brain knows full well that the CIA and MI6 were behind the attacks on the Russian Strategic Bomber bases...........
The CIA is rogue agency, and is now attempting to back the DJT administration into a direct confrontation with RF via Volo the Clown man and his SBU operatives....
The CIA just like NSC needs to be cleaned out.....fire them all...they are deep state neo con war mongers........
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 7 2025 15:48 utc | 84
I) This poster is not off-topic.
II) 2 days ago, in the open thread...
Posted by: Elber | Jun 5 2025 20:57 utc | 39
I think Musk went too far with this Epstein thing (even though it's true, as I read a long time ago; they were good friends, they partied together);
I think that given Trump's age and position, this kind of attack from Musk is an own goal!
Musk is screwed! (That's my guess; let's wait and see).
III) Now, at this moment, I am informed that Musk has deleted the mentioned message.
IV) What does this mean in relation to the current topic? The meaning is that what matters is: a) ASSUME or b) NOT ASSUME that which is under our responsibility.
V) Therefore, if Trump accepted the strike on Soleimani, but did not do so regarding the strike on the aircraft docked under the SALT II agreement...
VII) Therefore, it makes no difference whether or not someone whispered the plan to Trump! The important thing is that the act was not accepted; and that Trump's stance is IN CONSONANCE with his current presidential policy. Therefore, I agree with our host's position.
Posted by: Elber | Jun 7 2025 15:50 utc | 85
Posted by: Jack M | Jun 7 2025 15:46 utc | 83
> He's there to entertain and distract 99% of you and he's doing a great job, which says nothing about him and everything about you.
But not about you. Good for you.
Finish your whiskey and go home smarty pants.
Posted by: hopehely | Jun 7 2025 15:52 utc | 86
So, Russia is supposed to retaliate to "send a message".
To whom?
Is it possible to communicate with the Deep State?
I am sure Russia has considered this.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 7 2025 14:58 utc | 74
Well, Russia could just say, "we have had enough of the American and US minions bullshit. Today we are making available to anyone who opposes the US and US minions, advanced MANPADS, AA, Torpedo's, etc at deep discount. The US and US minions have been supplying the enemies of Russia with arms and intel. We will now do the same worldwide for any who openly oppose the USA and US minions."
Arm the fearless sandal wearing warriors with something effective to fight the USA and watch the Empire skulk back to North America. The Houthis/Vietnamese/Afghanis etc. have shown that the US is near useless against well below peer distributed forces. Repeatedly.
US may kill millions and blow up infrastructure, but politically, they can't handle losing thousands of US troops.
Posted by: saner | Jun 7 2025 15:53 utc | 87
The one powerful remark that everyone ignored was Schumer warning Trump publicly that "they have six ways to Sunday to get you". This speaks volumes. It tells you who's ultimately in charge.
The big question is why have they tolerated Trump so far? How can Neo Cons be happy with him? Is it possible that they have bought into his dumping of Ukraine and emphasizing China?
Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 7 2025 15:55 utc | 88
I read this article the other day and found it very perceptive.
As I've been preaching for decades, the 3LAs, in contravention to US law, unaccountably run foreign policy and as a consequence also, to a large extent, determine domestic policy. And it's high time Americans/Europeans acknowledge that which is plainly before their eyes ever since 22 November 1963. Unless of course, you're a victim of the world-wide TDS pandemic then your reality is a stream of DNC [notice three letters] talking points, in which case, reason has no effect on your world-view.
That's the average Joe/Jane...what is unforgivable however, is the Russian-High-Command/Kremlin/Putin not fully understanding this power dynamic and not making plans to hand Trump a fait acompli upon taking the oath of office. Had the Russians taken the risks/losses to, in many cases, hold territory where possible, particularly in the south, the writing on the wall would be unavoidably plain and politically palatable. As it stands now, agents of the 3LAs, [which are everywhere in DC], run around saying that "Russia is asking too much" which is a fancy-pants way of phrasing that the war must continue long enough to destroy Trump's political underpinnings..not just Trump himself. This thinking pleases the blue-no-matter-who types for whom politics is just another form of self-expression.
In fact, when I mentioned this the other day, a blue-no-matter-who type mockingly asked; "why should the Kremlin make ending the war easy on Trump?". After all, the questioner's priority was to have Trump humiliated in order to assuage their bruised vanity. Still it's a fair question in that the coin's other side is; "why should the Kremlin make ending the war hard on Trump?"; given that the 3LAs are trying to make ending the war impossible. Let that sink in and then have a look in the mirror and ask yourself, is my personal vanity aiding the 3LAs?
Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 7 2025 15:55 utc | 89
The U2 spy plane shot down in 1960 was sabotaged by what Fletcher Prouty called the Secret Team, in order to stop the upcoming peace talks between Khrushchev and Eisenhower, and they were successful. The U2 plane usually flew too high for the Soviets to reach it, but the sabotage made it fly lower.
(We now call it the Deep State, but Prouty wrote a book on how he helped set up the cooperation between the Pentagon and the newly fledged CIA, and he called it The Secret Team, because that is what it literally was.)
A very interesting part of that tale is that the Soviets announced that they had shot down the plane and the US denied it. Then the Soviets produced the pilot and the media reported it! Was this part of the plan, or was the media not completely under the thumb of what Frank Wisner of the CIA called the Mighty Wurlitzer? Note that the media no longer reports or publishes anything the Russians say.
Eisenhower knew nothing of the plan, but took responsibility anyway, as did JFK in 1961, when the CIA invaded Cuba in the Bay of Pigs operation.
But JFK, furious, fired Allen Dulles and threatened to destroy the CIA into a thousand pieces.
Instead, the CIA blew his head off, in broad daylight in the middle of town square. The media, TO THIS DAY, dutifully reported what they were told to report, that a lone nut pulled off the shot of a lifetime, (which no sniper was able to repeat, but that was never reported in msm), and killed the president from behind.
No matter that the doctors who treated him at Parkland stated that the shot came from the front, that never made the "news".
If a tree falls in the forest and the media doesn't report it, did it happen?
No.
Then 3 days later, another lone nut walked into the basement of the Dallas police station and killed Lee Harvey Oswald, while he was in police escort.
Nothing to see here, said the media.
I am pointing this out because if Trump didn't know that the US was providing aid to attack a nuclear armed country's actual nuclear bombers, then that is a Big Deal.
The media was triumphant for a few days, then switched to the "docked planes at an air field" story, along with calling the terrorist attack on the passenger train "a bridge collapse". Damn Soviets, can't even build a sturdy bridge, amirite?
Heads should roll at the CIA and Pentagon now. Get al Julani's men to do it, if Trump can't find Americans capable of the task. Taking the sanctions off Syria should come with a price, if Trump really is a businessman.
Seriously, this is a tearing down of the curtain, and it should be a Big Deal in the US, but if the Mighty Wurlitzer doesn't tell Americans to care, they won't.
Maybe the next time the US sponsors a terrorist attack on Russian civilians, or blows up some more nuclear bombers, the Russians should just Hazelnut Langley. For a start.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 7 2025 15:58 utc | 90
“Deep State” -- See Snowden Papers
The Fourteen Eyes alliance, also known as SIGINT Seniors Europe (SSEUR), is an extension of the Nine Eyes alliance [addition Denmark, France, the Netherlands, and Norway]. In addition to the original Nine, it includes five more member countries: Belgium, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Sweden.
Above and beyond political leaders of these nations … outside of parliaments. Dutch PM Dick Schoof is former AIVD intelligence chief. Played role in RussiaGate to smear Trump #45 – espionage on Russia 2014 to present.
Horsewisperer 68 - Vicky Nuland, Hillary Clinton, Wendy Sherman, Toni Blinkensky along with the CIA, MI6 and the Mossad were all involved in the plotting and execution of the 2014 Maidan Square coup against the duly elected pro RF government of Ukraine,
These folks are all on the IDF/Mossad payroll, and are committed Zionists.
The repression of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is proof positive of intent....priests and nuns thrown into jail, churches vandalized and destroyed, seminaries closed and looted. Dont forget deep state operative nazis murdered 50 Russians in Odessa.
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 7 2025 16:08 utc | 93
I do not believe Eisenhower was not informed. He knew. He lied. He got caught. Soviets allowed him to save face pretending they believed his excuse.
Deep state is nothing more than a convenient cover to shift the responsibility from acting politicians in power to some nebulous bureaucratic apparatus. To diffuse, anonymize and eventually to avoid the blame.
Posted by: hopehely | Jun 7 2025 16:10 utc | 94
VII) Therefore, it makes no difference whether or not someone whispered the plan to Trump! The important thing is that the act was not accepted; and that Trump's stance is IN CONSONANCE with his current presidential policy. Therefore, I agree with our host's position.
Posted by: Elber | Jun 7 2025 15:50 utc | 85
"why should the Kremlin make ending the war easy on Trump?". After all, the questioner's priority was to have Trump humiliated in order to assuage their bruised vanity. Still it's a fair question in that the coin's other side is; "why should the Kremlin make ending the war hard on Trump?"; given that the 3LAs are trying to make ending the war impossible. Let that sink in and then have a look in the mirror and ask yourself, is my personal vanity aiding the 3LAs?
Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 7 2025 15:55 utc | 89
I am pointing this out because if Trump didn't know that the US was providing aid to attack a nuclear armed country's actual nuclear bombers, then that is a Big Deal.
The media was triumphant for a few days, then switched to the "docked planes at an air field" story, along with calling the terrorist attack on the passenger train "a bridge collapse". Damn Soviets, can't even build a sturdy bridge, amirite?
Heads should roll at the CIA and Pentagon now.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 7 2025 15:58 utc | 90
Just taking some examples.
Risk beig killed or not, trump as 2 choices.
1. Clean is house
2. Give RF carte blanche and hold the domestic political front
or 3 fold, bend the knee and be just another enemy
Can RF help on 1? name names etc?
Can RF help on 2? Secret war termination of certain targets?
Can RF do 3 without WW3?
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 7 2025 16:13 utc | 95
“Europeans” … there are NO Europeans, but individual states with self-interests.
The same period to make Russia a pariah state, the U.S. Congress and its leaders in successive administrations managed to exploit the wide divide between “Old” and “New” Europe. American leaders hate the European Union, that is why NATO was used as the Trojan Horse.
Nord Stream 1 and 2 will never be used for Russian gas. Buying US fossil fuel is just fine ... like the coming increase buying weapons "Made In USA" by all NATO states. The Grand Theft.
"Deep state is nothing more than a convenient cover to shift the responsibility from acting politicians in power to some nebulous bureaucratic apparatus" Hopehely 94
This thinking explains JFK's death, you see Kennedy wanted to commit suicide but didn't want to violate Catholic teachings and so..the Deep-State stepped in to "shift the responsibility".
Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 7 2025 16:18 utc | 97
The USSR had to battle through Eastern European countries occupied by the German Nazis to defeat Hitler and end the Holocaust. A Holocaust which many of the Christians of these European nations participated in with the Nazis. After Germany's defeat the US created an alliance with Western Europe to threaten the USSR, while the USSR had to contend with the fascist populations of the nations it had to occupy to defeat the Nazis. The USSR continued occupying these hostile nations until the end of the 1980's, when it allowed the unification of Germany, Warsaw Pact nations, Baltic States, and many Soviet Republics independence. A political act of granting self-governance no colonizing Western nation had ever performed. That most of the Eastern European and Baltic nations would become reactionary states was not a surprise to the communists and socialists.
Posted by: Keme | Jun 7 2025 16:21 utc | 98
Maybe they forgot to sabotage the genocide in Palestine ?
@Love Donbass
Even here you are communicating with the 'Deep State'...and the CIA...and MI6...etc. I'm sure Russia knows most of the hierarchy, but as Putin acknowledged, there is no trust. Meaning whatever is said or agreed is understood to be no more than a ploy. Even if it weren't, it would equally still be trashed and used subsequently. Russia will also know that its actions or statements will be viewed with similar disregard.
Meaning Trump would also be seen as a ploy, whether intentionally or otherwise.
How do agreements happen then ?
When it suits both sides, when those end up being more positive than other objectives.
The rest is of trying to convince the other, and the public.
Posted by: Ornot | Jun 7 2025 16:27 utc | 99
@ Mike R #3
"Russia is one of the globe’s last colonial empires, denying captive nations the right to self-determination and independence."These people actually believe their own BS
I don't believe for a second that these people believe the BS they spew. However, they are trying their damnedest to make sure YOU believe it. They fully realize that Pax Americana is slowly becoming history and will use any tactic they can to slow, stop and reverse that trend.
If they can get 'the people' i.e. the masses to get in line with their program, then the program is far easier to implement.
America, even after the Trumpet closed some important 'blob' agencies, is still not being ruled by a president. It is being ruled by forces from without and those within who are aligned with certain external forces. The only place that a president may pursue his or her policy is domestically. Foreign policy, regardless of what is in the headlines is outside his or her purview.
Posted by: rgl | Jun 7 2025 16:31 utc | 100
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Russia is one of the globe’s last colonial empires
I wonder how Puerto Rican Independence Party is doing?
I believe the American Samoa Mau independence movement was crushed before WWII.
Posted by: jrkrideau | Jun 7 2025 12:01 utc | 1