Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 23, 2025
Proliferation, Retaliation, And Other Consequences Of The War On Iran

There are several aspects of the U.S. and Israeli attacks on nuclear facilities that deserve further discussions:

  • Non-proliferation issues
  • Retaliation by Iran
  • Consequences of unlawful behavior

Before the U.S. and Israeli strikes on its nuclear facilities Iran was a long standing member of the Treaty for the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The IAEA, tasked with verifying the adherence to the NPT, was able to inspect Iranian facilities. It knew, down to the milligram, how much enriched Uranian Iran had produced and where it was stored.

Western intelligence services as well as the IAEA did not only confirm that Iran had no nuclear weapons. They confirmed that Iran did not even have a nuclear weapon program. There were no plans to produce any weapons.

All that is now in doubt.

The NPT's objective was to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology and to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. The second part was the reason why non-nuclear nations have joined the treaty.

The U.S. demand that Iran should stop all enrichment of Uranium, as needed for civilian nuclear reactors, and the attack on Iran's peaceful nuclear facilities make it obvious that Iran is getting deprived of all the positive elements the NPT had promised. There are also serious concerns that the IAEA has leaked the names of Iranian nuclear scientists to Israel which in the end led to their assassinations.

From Iran's side a continuation of its membership in the NPT and any cooperation with the IAEA have lost their purpose. There is no longer any reason to stay within the agreement. Iran is likely to leave the NPT.

That does mean, and does not make it more likely, that Iran will start to produce nuclear weapons. There are principal, religiously bound reasons why it has so far refrained from doing so. Those have not changed.

Iran has said that it had moved all enriched Uranium from its Fordow enrichment site shortly before the U.S. strike on the installation:

A senior Iranian source claimed to Reuters that before the U.S. attack on the Fordow nuclear facility last night (Sunday), all of the stock of enriched uranium at the site was transferred to another location.

At the same time, satellite images captured a large convoy moving near the underground nuclear facility two days before the attack. It is believed that this may be documentation of the transfer of the enriched material.

Some 400 kilogram of Uranium, enriched to 60% of U-235 isotopes needed for fission chain reactions, were squirreled away. The IAEA does not know where they are. Iran also still has a sufficient numbers of its most modern centrifuges needed for further enrichment. It can produced more if it needs those. Iran also has several other bunkers, similar to the Fordow and Natanz sites, which were build and equipped to eventually house additional enrichment facilities. Those sites are not (yet) known to the IAEA and have never been inspected.

I do expect that Iran will leave the NPT. It will 'go dark' about its nuclear program. It will not announce where it will do what with the nuclear material it has. The IAEA will no longer be allowed to have knowledge of it. This will make Iran a 'latent' nuclear weapon state even while it refrains from having a nuclear weapon.

Some might argue that Iran will not do that as it would make further U.S. attacks on it more likely.

Hello? The U.S. has just attacked Iran without ANY cause. It is likely to do so again, independent of whether Iran stays with the NPT rules or not.

Being a 'latent' nuclear weapon state constitutes an additional deterrence. The longer Iran stays in that state, the higher the risk for any attacker to be countered by nuclear means.

The attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities were not done to prevent it from getting nuclear weapons. The attacks are to provoke a violent response which can then be used to launch an all out war with the end-purpose of regime change in Iran.

[The Israeli government launched its attacks on Iran under the operation name 'Rising Lion'.

The flag on the left is the flag of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The flag on the right, depicting a lion in front of the rising sun, is the flag of Iran under the former dictatorship of the Shah. The U.S. and Israel are currently promoting the son of the deposed Shah of Iran as the future leader of the country. 'Rising Lion' was and is thus an obvious reference to a regime change operation in Iran.]

There is however no easy way to regime change Iran. The Iranian society is largely standing behind its government. That government is well established and seen as legitimate. It does not depend on one person. Even the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is easily replaceable. The regular military is counterbalanced with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. This makes a military coup plot untenable.

Unless there is a large scale foreign land invasion, supported by this or that minority in Iran, there is no chance to topple the Islamic Republic. The U.S. no longer has the Cold-War army that would potentially be able to do such.

Iran is likely to take additional measures in revenge for the attack on its nuclear facilities. It may well launch a symbolic strike against one U.S. base in the Gulf. But it is unlikely to do an all out attack on all U.S. assets in the Gulf region. That is still an option but it will be reserved for later.

Any measures taken now in response to the attacks on its nuclear facilities will likely by designed to NOT give the U.S. a pretext for additional attacks on Iran.

The main enemy of Iran is still Israel. Iran has established an attritional war against it. Daily attacks by drones and medium range missiles against Israel are designed to deplete its air defenses. Only after that is done will the strikes get more serious. Israel depends on air defenses manufactured and provided by the U.S. Their production is limited and it depends on the availability of rare materials. China is currently withholding rare earth licenses from U.S. weapon producers. This will further decrease the availability of air defense items.

Israel knows that it can not sustain an attritional war with Iran:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday said that Israel aims to avoid a "war of attrition" with Iran, the Times of Israel reported.

"We won't pursue our actions beyond what is needed to achieve [the goals], but we also won't finish too soon," Netanyahu was quoted as saying.

It is not for Netanyahoo to decide when the current war ends. (Just like it is not for Zelenski to decide when there will be a ceasefire in Ukraine.) Israel is already in a war of attrition. Iran will continue to wage it.

Iran will, as said, avoid a direct war with the U.S. military as long as it can. But it will implement measures that will squeeze the U.S. as best as it can. It is likely to close the Strait of Hormuz for all energy transports that are destined to reach countries which support its enemies. Transports to China, India and global south countries will continue. U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, and the U.S. itself, will suffer. Oil prices will increase – at least for those who oppose Iran.

To implement that does not even require openly hostile measures. Loud announcements, plus a few explosions next to tankers going from the Gulf towards Rotterdam, is all that is needed to deprive any such transports of insurance. The global 'free' markets create the consequences.

When the price of oil reaches above $100 per barrel the U.S. economy will move into a recession. During the midterm election the Republican party will lose the majority in the House and Senate. Trump will become a lame duck.

Trump attacked Iran without even an attempt to provide a sound reasoning. There was no false flag incident or any serious argument of weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. attacked Iran simply because it could do so.

Trump is thereby not only in breach of the U.S. constitution, which requires Congress to declare a war. The U.S. war of aggression against Iran is also a breach of the U.S. Charter. Its attacks on civil nuclear installations is a breach of the Additional Protocols of the Geneva Convention which prohibits these.

We are now in a new world disorder:

The first major consequence, in broader terms, is that this strike dealt a final, irreparable blow to what little remained of the post-war international legal and institutional framework. That order was already in tatters — shredded by a year and a half of Western-backed genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. But this latest attack makes it official: Western powers no longer feel the need to cloak their actions in legality, morality or even the façade of diplomatic legitimacy.

Today, even that pretense is gone. In Gaza, and now with the strikes on Iran, the gloves are fully off. What we’re witnessing is a regression to a kind of global lawlessness — a “might makes right” free-for-all where nothing is off limits: not the mass slaughter of civilians, not the bombing of nuclear sites, not even the complete sidelining of international institutions.

That the U.S. is doing this, with open support of its European proxies, is not only a danger for the international system but also for the domestic population of these countries:

This isn’t only a threat to international security. It’s also a profound threat to what little freedoms we still have left within the West itself. Make no mistake: the Western ruling classes’ open embrace of Mafia-style gangsterism abroad also means that they will have no qualms about brushing aside whatever ethical, legal, constitutional and democratic constrains that still stand in the way of their desperate, hallucinatory bid to preserve the crumbling order.

We have already seen this in the illegitimate suppression of protests against the genocide in Gaza. It will proliferate from there. The West is, slowly but accelerating, sliding from a 'rule of law' status into the darkness of unbound fascism. It is on us to prevent that.

Comments

Ship tracker live around 1100 local :,
Sailboat Convoy – about 1/2 as many as before making the Cyprus run.
Haifa – modest amount of movement in offshore anchorage. Docks quiet
Ashdod – ships leaving offshore anchorage. Docks quiet
Eilat – abandoned
Hormuz – tanker traffic seems normal. Maybe good for a real mariner to chime in.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:55.9/centery:26.1/zoom:7

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 7:03 utc | 801

Avidgor Lieberman, wouldn’t pee in his direction if he were on fire and I really had to go.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 7:05 utc | 802

From Xinhuanet

JERUSALEM, June 24 (Xinhua) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Tuesday Israel accepts a ceasefire proposed by U.S. President Donald Trump and has achieved its war goals against Iran.

Will Occupied Palestine stop the genocide in Gaza as part of this? What will Hamas and Yemen do during this period?
Who is the Hollywood producer of this shit show?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 24 2025 7:05 utc | 803

Re: getting bombed
Just a side note. I’ve been “bombed” unexpectedly twice in my civilian life. Once, on 9/11 in NYC. And on another time during a minor civil war, which unexpectedly heated up suddenly. Never was I even remotely in danger.
even so; The feeling of helplessness and depression remained for months thereafter.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 7:12 utc | 804

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 7:00 utc | 849
The Americans up there should have enough firepower to deal with the crocs. After all the top end is turning into one large American military base.
A can of aeroguard to keep the mozzies and flies at bay should suffice. Probably not good to rely on it as a croc repellent if you’re thinking of have a dip in the creek though.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 7:20 utc | 805

“Will Occupied Palestine stop the genocide in Gaza as part of this? What will Hamas and Yemen do during this period?”
AJ reported that Netanyahoo said he is going to double down of the Gaza efforts and finish the problem once and for all.

Posted by: Spark | Jun 24 2025 7:22 utc | 806

NM green or red chile is not what you’re going to find ANYWHERE else in the US including most of Texas. Real NM or MX spice is on par with Thai. Thai and MX are far beyond anything you ever thought was “spicy” if you’re a Vietnamese, Chinese, or even Indian food (curry) afficionado.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 6:35 utc | 830
Yeah, but most of the latter are absolutely weak as hell. They cater to Americans, and you know it. The Carib, India, even Texas- everyone has a pepper that punish people who don’t respect them. And that stuff tears up your stomach lining at the higher doses, at which point people complain of ulcers. Imagine that.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 24 2025 7:37 utc | 807

Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 7:43 utc | 861
Great off topic culinary conversations cont’d
There was a survey done in China about 5 years ago using a sample population of about 400,000 people and the result was that those who included chilli in their diet had greater longevity. Chilli as you would probably know is quite popular in many regions in China especially Si Chuan as it is in Thailand and other parts of SE Asia

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 7:51 utc | 808

it took place:
https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/23/1459894.html

Posted by: username17 | Jun 24 2025 7:51 utc | 809

AJ is reporting Iran has launched a new wave of missiles towards Israel.

Posted by: Spark | Jun 24 2025 7:57 utc | 810

@Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 6:49 utc | 841
I should add that the revelation from the shah about the US having requested what happened when the public was told that OPEC rose oil prices as retribution for the Yom Kippur war, was something I got from William Engdahls wellknown book: A century of war, Angloamerican oil politics and the NWO

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 24 2025 7:58 utc | 811

I don’t know who has this account but they are spot on
“fortunately it looks like Iran will not be going along with that deranged bullshit, and is now striking the genocidal Israeli death-cult. And it should do it even more, and loosen the rules of engagement. We need more “oops, I really didn’t mean to hit that school and hospital, but you built a military headquarters right next to it so fuck you we’re going by your standard that you’ve applied not only in Gaza but also to us.” The entire world will cheer and celebrate.”
Not sure that is true though.
“never forget: Every Israeli settler is an actual human shield, and they intentionally made them so. And we know how they believe human shields must be treated. So you’re going to get your own human shield treatment now Tel Aviv. 95%+ genocide supporters”
https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1937416421081808914
“The finance minister just tweeted “Tehran will shake.” This isn’t over by a long shot, I fear.”
They are so predictable.
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Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 24 2025 7:58 utc | 865
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Cheers 🙂

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 8:08 utc | 812

Whats its called when one side makes a unilateral ceasefire ?

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 8:21 utc | 813

@rosross | Jun 24 2025 5:08 utc | 783
You mean the dancing Israelis convinced you it was Saudis that did it, so therefore you attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. And nobody mentioned the inside job and that the planes were kabuki like the attack this morning. Ant the Tomahawk that hit Pentagon was a cousin of the Tomahawks that hit Fordow. Modus operandi.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 8:22 utc | 814

Serrano or Anaheim chilés aren’t the extremr spicy sort – more haute cuisine.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 8:23 utc | 815

Better hot cuisine than hot war.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Jun 24 2025 8:27 utc | 816

b did mention Fascism …
Political Liberalism Was Never Meant For The Masses
Roger Boyd
Jun 23, 2025
https://rogerboyd.substack.com/p/political-liberalism-was-never-meant
*****

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 24 2025 8:31 utc | 817

This 3 hours ago.
” U.S. president Donald Trump on Social media:
THE CEASEFIRE IS NOW IN EFFECT. PLEASE DO NOT VIOLATE IT! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!”
And this 58 minutes ago.
“Iranian ballistic missile launches have been detected. Red alerts across northwest Israel, mainly in the Haifa countryside”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 24 2025 8:33 utc | 818

Iran violated ceasefire by firing one missile into northern Israel – Israeli media Israeli Defense Minister orders army to respond decisively to Iran’s ceasefire violations 🔴 @DDGeopolitics | Socials | Donate | Advertising
🇮🇷💬🇮🇱Iranian media deny Tehran launched a missile at Israel after the ceasefire announcement. (153479)
I’m sure there are several sides not cheering to the ceasefire. Maybe even the butcher from Golan.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Jun 24 2025 8:36 utc | 819

Re my (873) comment.
And this 36 minutes ago.
“Defense Minister Israel Katz:
In response to Iran’s violation of the ceasefire, I have instructed the IDF to carry out powerful strikes against regime targets in the heart of Tehran”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 24 2025 8:36 utc | 820

@JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 6:13 utc | 814

Washington Post publishes audio of Israeli agents blatantly threatening to kill more innocent women and children amid unprovoked war on Iran…”
USrael must fall.

Do you have a WP link to show they published it?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 8:38 utc | 821

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 7:51 utc | 862
I understand that the Portuguese (via Brazil) introduced chilli throughout much of Asia from Goa in India to China, Thailand, and SE Asia. Chinese would consider it a medicinal plant adding heat to the body given Chinese Traditional Medicine influenced by Daoism is concerned about too much or too little air-fire-water and cool and hot ratios being behind disease in the body. In Thailand where it is in everything you eat (almost) and the weather is very hot, it makes you sweat as ou would probably know with the result of it cooling down your body temperature.

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 8:39 utc | 822

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 24 2025 8:36 utc | 875
Israel playing the false flag or possibly Iran messing with Israel AD.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 24 2025 8:39 utc | 823

Sorry I meant posted by:
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 8:01 utc | 866
Not George 862

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 8:41 utc | 824

MoA turned into a cooking festival.
Must be the CEASEFIRE celebration?
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 8:41 utc | 825

And this – Personally I think Iran can’t afford to take part in a ceasefire – it will only give the Zionists and the Yanks time to replenish and fortify – for another attack under another false guise.
“Three and a half hours after the US President announced a ceasefire, fire was opened from Iran toward northern Israel. We must not hesitate, we must not hold back, we must respond immediately,”
– Avigdor Lieberman, Head of the far-right Yisrael Beiteinu Party, part of the Likud-bloc coalition”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 24 2025 8:42 utc | 826

Norwegian @ 880

MoA turned into a cooking festival.

Maybe MoA is really a form of UVB-76 aka The Buzzer, hot pepper types is some sort of code to activate agents or, God forbid, launch codes.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 24 2025 8:47 utc | 827

⚠️‼️🇺🇸🇮🇷🇮🇱 Netanyahu:
Israel has agreed to Trump’s proposal for a ceasefire with Iran.
Israel has achieved its goal of eliminating the Iranian nuclear and missile threat.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153470
⚠️‼️🇺🇸🇮🇱🇮🇷Netanyahu’s office:
Israel has agreed to the US president’s proposal for a ceasefire with Iran and will respond forcefully to any violation.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153472
⚠️‼️🇮🇱🇮🇷Israeli army spokesman:
The ceasefire with Iran has entered into force.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153475
🇮🇱💬🇮🇷Iran violated ceasefire by firing one missile into northern Israel – Israeli media
Israeli Defense Minister orders army to respond decisively to Iran’s ceasefire violations
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153479
🇮🇷💬🇮🇱Iranian media deny Tehran launched a missile at Israel after the ceasefire announcement.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153480

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 8:47 utc | 828

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 8:41 utc | 880
I think it is because there is so much misinformation going on about what the hell is happening in the Middle East, Iran, and attacks on US bases, strat of Hormuz etc. Hard to get an accurate picture at the moment. Much of the news media like on Youtube is posting clickbate of huge fires, explosions, and mass destruction to get you to watch a video but when you watch it there is nothing to see except a few lights in the sky and little serious information.

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 8:47 utc | 829

The article is true in its essence. But the conclusion – the last phrase in the article – is of course idyllic.
In a comment to a recent thread, I wrote that such aggressive and largely inadequate countries as Israel, the US and Ukraine are the greatest danger to the world. More precisely, not the countries, but at least their ruling political/economic elites. Full-fledged state terrorism has become the main instrument of their interaction with the outside world. The problem is that the world practically does not respond to this. The genocide in Gaza… the Gulf countries (the main actors expected to counter Israel’s barbarity) essentially allowed this to happen. Their interaction and trade with Israel did not stop. The same applies to all other countries. The fact that before our eyes a brazen and lawless attack on a sovereign country and its nuclear(!) facilities has become the “norm” (by the way, I want to remind about the repeated attacks of Ukrainian degenerates on the Zaporozhye NPP) is the result of many years of impunity for Israel and the US. Until these countries suffer significant damage (possibly putting them on the brink of their very existence) nothing will change, they will not understand anything – they will not understand how to exist in a normal and civilized manner in a world without the methods of terrorism and banditry. Obviously, collective actions are required here (informational, economic, diplomatic, humanitarian, even military) so that the outcasts feel the full weight of the consequences of their behavior. Israel and the USA must be brought to an adequate state by the directed collective influence of the world majority. But the problem is that this will not happen. Will not happen. Nobody will do anything. Terrorists will continue to be members of the UN, relations with them will continue, everything will go on as usual.

Posted by: alaff | Jun 24 2025 8:49 utc | 830

Mario (878).
Yes the Zionists did it in Gaza – they continued to murder Palestinians under a flag of truce/ceasefire – and lets be honest – Iran, and frankly the rest of the world, can’t trust the Americans – they say one thing and do another.
I’m sure Kissinger, said something along the lines of – its dangerous to be an enemy of the USA – but its fatal to be its ally.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 24 2025 8:50 utc | 831

TRUMPERY: MAKING SOMETHING OUT OF HOT AIR AND PRESTIDIGITATION.:
https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2025/06/24/trumpery-making-something-out-of-hot-air-and-prestidigitation/

Posted by: Vortex | Jun 24 2025 8:51 utc | 832

Republicofscotland @ 881

“Three and a half hours after the US President announced a ceasefire, fire was opened from Iran toward northern Israel. We must not hesitate, we must not hold back, we must respond immediately,”

Seems like crap, no hits, no images, all intercepted, no statement from Iran. I really figured it was Israel looking for a time out, but in the Hall of Mirrors looks like I smacked into a mirror.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 24 2025 8:51 utc | 833

Besides you can only listen to, and watch, a certain amount of Kabuki theatre in one session.

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 8:51 utc | 834

George | Jun 24 2025 8:47 utc | 884
With the joint theatricals, most conventional forms of analysis have been relegated to the dump. At the moment, what I read or hear at the usual places does not fit what is occurring.
Many here seem to be still hoping to see the bright lights of big war.
Click baiters paradise for sure.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 8:53 utc | 835

News in MSM this morning: “Iranians: Trump begged us for a ceasefire”, “Israelis: We agree to a ceasefire”.
HAHA so predictable, one can only hope Iran is wise enough to keep pounding while the genocidal pigs squeal.
Keep the attrition up my dear Persians.

Posted by: Jzo | Jun 24 2025 8:54 utc | 836

If dingbats want to believe some 57D chess ridiculosity about the shah being arseholed by USuk when if that were correct they a) woulda just knocked him & replaced him with someone more malleable and b) if that were true why did they go to war with the new government immediately it happened, why stop ’em if they fall for that nonsense they’ll be miles away when there is a revolution, busy peering into a hall of mirrors arguing about which image is the ‘correct’ one. Why did USuk put themselves through the considerable trouble & expense for the last 50 years when the mob they wanted in power was the mob that was in power?
The notion is frankly ludicrous about what you’d expect from someone who laps up an insane fascist like Larouche though. What next, Iran is secretly run by lizard people? ffs!
The only truth that matters is Pezeshkian has to go cos he’s likely to agree to staying with IAEA inspections etc.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 24 2025 8:55 utc | 837

Besides you can only listen to, and watch, a certain amount of Kabuki theatre in one session.
Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 8:51 utc | 890–
I remember John Carpenter did some ‘Zombies on Mars’ stuff, if you’re looking for something different now.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Jun 24 2025 8:57 utc | 838

Iran won’t fire a single missile, they send them in waves. As I mentioned before, Netanyahu needs perpetual war, preferably a big regional war or he is toast. Israel is hoping that their “retaliation” to this alleged single missile is so severe that it will force Iran to really send a missile volley.
Israel is trying to force Trump’s hand. By trying to force Trump’s hand and now Trump will have to choose -either Israel or his MAGA agenda.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 24 2025 8:58 utc | 839

The only truth that matters is Pezeshkian has to go cos he’s likely to agree to staying with IAEA inspections etc.
Debsisdead | Jun 24 2025 8:55 utc | 893\
I suspect that is up to the Iranians rather than some foreign non entity.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 8:58 utc | 840

@LightYearsFromHome | Jun 24 2025 8:47 utc | 882
“It broadcasts a short, monotonous buzz tone, repeating at a rate of approximately 25 tones per minute”
In the case of MoA make that tonnes, not tones 😎

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 8:59 utc | 841

cease fire cease firing B I S Rotttenshield on or off.
deal or no deal for a new glorious Evelyn and Jacob central Iranian bank.
you know like the one in Russia and china.
truth not possible in satans lies.
deal or not a deal
moloch is still eating the children of Gaza.
and after all that was Iran said and done what missiles or words about missiles helped the Gaza this last week or more.
why can you book gay sauna steam rooms session today in Tel Aviv
because the kasher Mindbenders create your reality with a tiki’s Tok or x 3 sec digital clip.
slow motion Gaza final solution for real and Iran thus far has not done a thing to slow down the slow mo kill show.

Posted by: dan | Jun 24 2025 8:59 utc | 842

Israel Defense Forces: In light of the severe violation of the ceasefire carried out by the Iranian regime, we will respond with force.”
-The Chief of the General Staff, LTG Eyal Zamir in a situational assessment now

Posted by: HereWeGo | Jun 24 2025 9:01 utc | 843

Wow, that ceasefire was shorter than even I cynically expected. It was going to be BIG and BEAUTIFUL.

Posted by: WetNoodle | Jun 24 2025 9:04 utc | 844

🇮🇷⚡️ The General Staff of the Armed Forces denied any missile launches from Iran toward the occupied territories in recent hours.
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43872

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 9:07 utc | 845

Iran’s General Staff of Armed Forces denies reports of fresh missile attacks on Israel
“>https://t.me/presstv/146095

Press TV is Iranian state media. Iran, like Russia, has been pretty straight up so far, sins of ommision rather than concoction, the Hall of Mirrors is exclusively a USA/Israel carny ride. So, Trump was full of shit, more bait and switch, at this point it’s a worn out tactic, top 40 song played to death, you change the station after the first three notes. I’m done, I hope Iran, Russia, and China are done with this shit. Go dark, fire at will.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 24 2025 9:12 utc | 846

RE: Israel Defense Forces: In light of the severe violation of the ceasefire carried out by the Iranian regime, we will respond with force.”
-The Chief of the General Staff, LTG Eyal Zamir in a situational assessment now
Posted by: HereWeGo | Jun 24 2025 9:01 utc | 899
Hopefully…
3 hours was long enough rest… let the smiting resume!
Iran has many more targets to finish off still.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 24 2025 9:12 utc | 847

The idiot Europeans still trying to create their Asia Pacific Nato. A gathering of nobodies. Japan and SK have declined. The tariffs, the middle east theater and the gang of small time fools. The Asians must think, and rightly so, us white trash are straight out crazy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 9:14 utc | 848

https://x.com/IDF/status/1937427038090006827
This is what bullshit looks like.
Sirens sounding in northern Israel due to missile fire from Iran
1 missile. Allegedly from Iran
Whole country requires siren alerts
1 missile

Posted by: HereWeGo | Jun 24 2025 9:14 utc | 849

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 8:53 utc | 891
I totally agree Peter
I guess this comes out of so much fake news, so-called Kabuki theatre, trickery and fog of war, lies etc., so it is very hard to ascertain what is going on. I come here because often there are much better sources to get closer to the truth (compared to our limited pro-Israeli pro-US military Australian media) but there are times when even trying to get that is like attempting to build a house on quicksand.

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 9:15 utc | 850

Down South @ 895

Trump will have to choose -either Israel or his MAGA agenda.

Hate to break it to you, but there is no Maga agenda.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 24 2025 9:15 utc | 851

Debsisdead @ 893
We’ll know who “won” if IAEA is allowed to stay and Iran returns to “negotiations”.
As for damages to Israel? Let’s see if Netanyahu survives as PM.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 24 2025 9:15 utc | 852

Re: “Ceasefire”
🇵🇸⚡️🇮🇱 An Israeli tank opened machine gunfire on starving Palestinians in Gaza after they were called to receive aid from a U.S.-run distribution center. Several were killed and others injured.
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43873

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 9:17 utc | 853

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Jun 24 2025 8:57 utc | 894
“Zombies on Mars”
Now that sounds both refreshing and credible.

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 9:17 utc | 854

What is this bullshit.
A U.S. official told CBS News that under the ceasefire agreement announced by Trump, Iran’s ceasefire began at 12:00am ET.
Israel now has a 12-hour window, until 12:00pm ET, to conduct any final strikes against Iran before its own ceasefire takes effect.
Twelve hours after Israel’s ceasefire begins, the conflict will be officially considered over by both sides, theorically.

Posted by: HereWeGo | Jun 24 2025 9:19 utc | 855

New footage shows Beersheba building damage from Iranian strike — Tasnim
Occurred minutes before US-brokered ceasefire took effect
https://t.me/rtnews/100475
What was in that building?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 9:22 utc | 856

One missile
Bullshit sirens. Paint everything alert red entirely.
https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1937415754455957760?s=46

Posted by: HereWeGo | Jun 24 2025 9:25 utc | 857

RE: I hope Iran, Russia, and China are done with this shit. **Go dark, fire at will.**
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 24 2025 9:12 utc | 902
Like this idea.
Although I think Russia/China are hopeless mammon worshipers, Iran and others can cause a ruckus and throw a wrench in the not-so-new-world-order claiming “multipolarity” when really same ole same ole…
Clearly the imposed “rules-based-order” with “international laws” or pretense of, ect have been tossed.
At lease Iran gets the message and signs nothing now.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 24 2025 9:30 utc | 858

“Zombies on Mars”
Now that sounds both refreshing and credible.
Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 9:17 utc | 911–
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0228333/

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Jun 24 2025 9:31 utc | 859

I saw this message from Australia 🤣
https://t.me/CathedralGR/354

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 9:33 utc | 860

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 24 2025 9:15 utc | 908
There actually is but it relies on low energy prices and low inflation. A high oil price ($200-$300) sinks it as well as the rest of the world economy.
A regional war guarantees those kinds of prices.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 24 2025 9:33 utc | 861

Re: I hope Iran, Russia, and China are done with this shit. Go dark, fire at will.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 24 2025 9:12 utc | 902
According to USReal, just innocent civilians in an apartment building, where only 3 died and 20 were injured in the whole damn building.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 24 2025 9:34 utc | 862

Various casualties earlier from claimed Iranian missile and
“Spokesperson for the Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters:
The aggressor Zionist regime attacked centers in the territory of the Islamic Republic of Iran in three stages until 9 am this morning (Tuesday).
The armed forces had previously announced that they would not leave any aggression unanswered and that this regime would pay a heavy price”SepahCybery

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 24 2025 9:37 utc | 863

Photo
The Israeli and American-created hell on earth in once-beautiful Gaza.
Israel continues to genocide Palestinians in Gaza, with US/Western complicity and silence. Israel is hated worldwide. Rightly so.
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/26690

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 9:41 utc | 864

Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 9:33 utc | 921
Plenty of Australians think the Chinese and Russian ‘dictatorships’ are evil because they oppress minorities and ‘hold power by force’. These vapor brains don’t stop to think for one second how we treated and still do treat the Aboriginal people. She has every right to be very pissed off with white/european so called supremacy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 9:42 utc | 865

So Trump believes he is an umpire. Says stop, I want that peace prize and Israel is exhausted. Iran of course sees through this.
If it’s just a game I cheer for the Iranians and hope they set Grossi’s ass on fire the sooner the better.

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 24 2025 9:44 utc | 866

Interesting things to watch for:
i) Izzies breaking the ceasefire – based on past history a given, this time, maybe not so much;
ii) roundup and elimination of Mossad agents inside Iran. Have they been thrown under the bus?;
iii) return (or not) of US military to evacuated bases in the heart of Centcom across the middle east. Perhaps dependent on i);
iv) the fate of Bibi.
At least he Samson option seems to be off the table.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 24 2025 9:45 utc | 867

@Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 9:42 utc | 927
I agree 100% with you and her. Her presentation was forceful 🙂

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 9:45 utc | 868

I don’t see this statement from one man (Liberman) going anywhere. Unless Nuttyyahoo order a “retaliation” strike, they’ll do nothing but thump.
The only reason Trump called a halt was the natives in Iraq were getting restless and he was fearful of getting overrun & tossed out of Iraq, or war breaking out there and losing that base & border.
In any case, unless Nuttyyahoo orders it, USReal isn’t going to do a thing but it’s usual screeching….
I won’t mind being wrong.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 24 2025 9:54 utc | 869

So it’s plainly not possible for anyone to reach out and send some aid to Gaza b/c the Zionists control everything

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 24 2025 9:58 utc | 870

Posted by: Jzo | Jun 24 2025 9:54 utc | 934–
I confess, I don’t like Isreal being included in the ceasefire. No way until the Gaza madness is stopped for good.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Jun 24 2025 10:05 utc | 871

‼️ Iran’s armed forces announced that the Israeli regime violated the ceasefire three times by attacking various locations within the country up until 9 a.m. this morning.
https://t.me/presstv/146104

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 10:05 utc | 872

New thread up

Posted by: necromancer | Jun 24 2025 10:07 utc | 873

Palestine Gaza Israel. The UN only recognizes the Israel government and appears to recognise the 1947 borders as the country called Israel.
It does not recognise a Palestinian government because US has vetoed any resolution to recognise a Palestine government.
Even Palestine on all western maps at least is labeled Israel.
With UN recognition, the likes of Russia and China could deal with a Palestinian government openly and directly. Without UN recognition, Palestine is for legal purposes, a non state actor.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 10:07 utc | 874

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Jun 24 2025 9:31 utc | 920
Thanks – It does seem more credible. It mentions the date 2176 which gives me hope for a future as well – we might survive after all!

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 10:10 utc | 875

now the regime change operations have begun. the war has only begun. bibi will continue the Gaza slaughter to keep power. next up, a ship in the 5th fleet sunk in the Persian gulf blamed on iran. kameini Assassination, still in play with the corrupt sha calling for open revolution in iran, in English, from America.
How is that not an additional declaration of war?
so sad.
praying the peace holds

Posted by: CryptoAlchemist | Jun 24 2025 10:14 utc | 876

Debsisdead | Jun 24 2025 8:55 utc | 893
You still hope you havent been deceived by the memoryhole. But like I said the 1970s were memoryholed bigtime!
You need to do some reading to straighten out your thinking.
Your logic is naive.
The angloempire has been behind the Muslim Brotherhood and all branches of radical Islam to prevent secular nationalist nationbuilding to emerge among arabs. The angloamerican establishment
(historically enormously dominated by the British) doesnt want development among them. They want the arabs (and persians) to be despiced and backward leaving their natural resources to be exploited.
Brzezinsky wanted the USSR out of the equation and radical Islam was an instrument.
And you actually well know that dont you?
I am not sure why you resist it in connection with the shah. Khomeini was lifted to power by the Muslim Brotherhood and MB was a partner of British intel from the start.
On top of this was all the memoryholed stuff about the competing financial instrument and partly connected the ‘threat’ of nuclear power for worldwide inustrialisation that seriously challenged angloamerican NWO.
NWO was intended to see the angloempire handle the finances and not constitute in a new world order with nation building and development.
The angloamericans spread communism in order to use their sponsored revolutionaries to take care of the handling of the anglocontrolled world.
In the chinese case I dont know how much Maos side was sponsored but the Yale-connected americans following instructions from Pilgrim Society (=Cecil Rhodes angloamerican establishment) and let Maos adepts be trained in YMCA localities in China.
You think it is strange that the US would attack the regime they had brought to power?
Well they did the same thing in all communist regimes as well.
Russia China Cuba and Nicaragua.
The three latter cases are less understood since litterature is less abundant. But even in the Russian case the leftists are still partly(?) in denial about it.
Yet when you study the available documentation the anglosaxon elite has done what you find strange in every case!
When you read Somosas memoirs there is a similarity with how Battista was ousted 20 years earlier.
In the Cuban case three US ambassadors confirm under oath that the US helped Castro to power.
And the CIA boss didnt inform the political leaders that Castro had communist sympathies.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 24 2025 10:16 utc | 877

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 9:45 utc | 930
Being Australian I back Peter’s view as well. More the 227 years of repression and deliberate slaughter for indigenous Australians, and it continues. So many times they have trusted white Australia then been beaten on the head yet again. It helps to know this to understand the the emotion in the video.
It started in 1770 with concluding that they didn’t even exist in the country they had lived in for around 60,000 years despite their obvious presence- Terra Nullius (no one living here) wrote Cook.

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 10:26 utc | 878

945
Correction I meant ‘more than 237 years’

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 10:28 utc | 879

How dare China with its compassionate food drop embarrass the ‘civilised’ people from the ‘beautiful garden’, the real perpetrators of genocide in Gaza, and many more countries.

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 10:36 utc | 880

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 23 2025 23:55 utc | 455

Thank you for the essay on pre-revolution Iran, that was very interesting to read.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 24 2025 1:27 utc | 554
What is up with the damn stupidity of amerika’s leadership

Don’t assume it stupidity all the way down! We have no clue how dumb or smart Donald Trump really is, and it doesn’t matter much anyway. A lot of truly stupid actors around (EUropean politicians are easy spots) but the American Empire is *not* built on stupidity. When something doesn’t quite work out, assume despair or low rolls.

Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 1:27 utc | 555
Bernard is a Trump-fluffer. Makes sense, since Germany has been militarily occupied since 1945 by US troops.

Bernard is an East German and old enough for that to matter (he served in the NVA). East Germans are much less likely to be americaphile (transatlantic) than West Germans/Europeans and more likely to be skeptic.
I’m spelling this out because the bolded quote is wrong: it only holds for West Germany (and technically speaking, parts of West Germany were occupied by UK and France but let’s not bother). The East was occupied by USSR until 1990!

Posted by: Konami | Jun 24 2025 10:49 utc | 881

With UN recognition, the likes of Russia and China could deal with a Palestinian government openly and directly. Without UN recognition, Palestine is for legal purposes, a non state actor.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 10:07 utc | 931
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As long as that Palestinian government is Abbas’s quisling regime, I’d prefer that Russia and China not deal with it at all.
Remember, folks: The last time Palestinians elected a government, they elected Hamas.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2025 11:11 utc | 882

Abbas is deep state stooge, with his Fatah troops actually assisting the occupying army in some cases….what does that show the Palestinian people? What example is that?
All nations should recognize the Palestinian state, no doubt. However Palestine needs new leadership……..

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 24 2025 12:46 utc | 883

Norweigan 929 – This is to be expected as the IDF never obeys any truce or ceasefire…whether that be in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria or Iran….they simply can not be trusted because they have no intention of ever being truthful…
A lie to the IDF is strictly a means to an end, an advantage.
Will the IDF halt the assassinations of Gaza and Lebanese and Iranian officials? Dont count on it.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 24 2025 12:53 utc | 884

So why would Iran not continue the war? That is the same answer why the West is mostly rich and the rest of the world is mostly poor. The West pursues its objectives relentlessly, whatever it takes, without any morality.
Posted by: hubert | Jun 24 2025 5:02 utc | 777
Its not Iran’s job to police the West.
Iran can attack the Israel or the west at any point in the past or future. They don’t because they don’t want to and never did or will want to. Iran has repeatedly stated throughout this war that they will stop when Israel and the US stop attacking.
Many people in the world believe Israel is a victim due to a huge propaganda machine that paints that picture. Iran just showed the world that Israel is the aggressor and Israel’s neighbors are the victims. That’s a huge a huge defeat of the propaganda machine.
Trump thinks he is going to get a Nobel Prize for starting a war and then ending it when he discovered it was a lost cause. That may well happen, but what little credibility the Nobel Prize had will be gone.

Posted by: jinn | Jun 24 2025 12:57 utc | 885

I saw this message from Australia 🤣
https://t.me/CathedralGR/354
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 24 2025 9:33 utc | 917
It could be titled – “Now, tell us how you really feel madam.”

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 24 2025 13:09 utc | 886

“they will have no qualms about brushing aside whatever ethical, legal, constitutional and democratic constrains”
It is not some plausibility when it has been happening for some years now: 1. Lisbon Treaty is not up for a democratic vote since it was rejected, so do it anyways; 2. BREXIT proves democracy doesn’t work, so we’ll work around and continue with the UK “unofficially;” 3. Romania is not allowed to vote as it likes, so democracy be damned and domestic and european courts will give it “legitimacy,” 3.1 Moldova is not allowed to vote as it wants so, A. colored revolution just after the communists won (2009) and B. the largest diaspora is in Russia, so only 2 ballot centers and 1000+ in the EU embassies/consulates with a result that has the chosen candidate with 83% of the diasporic vote; 4. Le Pen is not allowed to challenge the system so ban her; 5. Let’s consider banning AfD because it is growing and threatening us (ultimate globalist zionist merz sits with the SPD that got hammered).

Posted by: Sal | Jun 24 2025 13:14 utc | 887

Man and yeah whoever said Hatch, it’s the real deal
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 6:21 utc | 817
Tom, of course Hatch chilies from Hatch, NM. There is a town called ‘Truth or Consequences’ just to the north. That name appeals to me in these times.
Have you ever had Chico’s Tacos in El Paso? A US American colleague raved about it. Tacos in a soup.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 24 2025 13:58 utc | 888

Tom, Just saw your post @830, re Chico’s Tacos.
Do tell.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 24 2025 14:08 utc | 889

Jesus Christ Official, Eternal life or triple your money back, Praise Bob and the Church of the Subgenius. Rev. Bob fixed my car. .Keep the slack
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 2:47 utc | 637
It’s rather sarcastic of you. What’s your point? (thanks for the response. I hope it can become a real discussion, but that is up to you)

Posted by: JesusChrist Official | Jun 24 2025 14:37 utc | 890

@ Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 5:04 utc | 778
thanks peter…another day, another news cycle and who knows what it holds??

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2025 14:41 utc | 891

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 10:07 utc | 931
######
The UN is nothing. It is an abstraction and shared delusion.
Israel is not long for this world.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 17:03 utc | 892

I think Iran is going to stay with the NPT.

Posted by: WMG | Jun 24 2025 20:56 utc | 893

“We are seeing a foreign policy doctrine develop that will change the country (and the world) for the better,” wrote JD Vance, the US vice-president, usually a fierce critic of US military interventions in overseas wars.
1) clearly define an American interest;
2) negotiate aggressively to achieve that interest;
3) use overwhelming force if necessary.”
Can anyone see any change in US foreign policy in Mr Vance’s quoted 3 ‘Underpants Gnomes’ steps?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/24/trump-israel-iran-ceasefire-netanyahu
Posted by: George | Jun 25 2025 2:57 utc | 106

Posted by: George | Jun 25 2025 3:02 utc | 894

Or is a heart attack just a heart attack?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 3:52 utc | 672
How many coincidences per week are you prepared to accept?
The Irani intelligence services were even monitoring his sleep, judging by the pictures they released of him.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 25 2025 4:17 utc | 895

Plenty of Australians think the Chinese and Russian ‘dictatorships’ are evil because they oppress minorities and ‘hold power by force’. These vapor brains don’t stop to think for one second how we treated and still do treat the Aboriginal people. She has every right to be very pissed off with white/european so called supremacy.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025
And how are Australians with aboriginal ancestry treated? They have full rights as citizens and more benefits. Billions are poured into trying to solve the problems for the tiny minority who have not assimilated into the modern world but remain in dysfunctional communities, so what is your point?
Australians with Aboriginal ancestry make up around 3% of the population and are represented in State and Federal Parliaments at 12%.
They are treated like other Australians but get more help, support and funding. so they are treated better. Most are fully assimilated into the modern world, have been for generations and have the same lives and outcomes as any other Australian.
How is any of that white supremacy? And what is white anyway? Not colour of skin because most Australians with aboriginal ancestry have pale skin and some are blue-eyed blondes. And not anglo-european ancestry either because most are more anglo-european in ancestry than aboriginal. So just what is white?

Posted by: rosross | Jun 25 2025 5:25 utc | 896

Being Australian I back Peter’s view as well. More the 227 years of repression and deliberate slaughter for indigenous Australians, and it continues. So many times they have trusted white Australia then been beaten on the head yet again. It helps to know this to understand the the emotion in the video.
It started in 1770 with concluding that they didn’t even exist in the country they had lived in for around 60,000 years despite their obvious presence- Terra Nullius (no one living here) wrote Cook.
Posted by: George |
The ignorance of many Australians is depressing. Okay, so, if they did not exist why were the orders to the First Fleet in 1788 to BEFRIEND, LEARN FROM AND ASSIST THE PEOPLE LIVING IN WHAT BECAME AUSTRALIA.
If they did not exist then why did the British make them citizens, then called subjects almost immediately?
Terra Nullius does not fucking mean no-one lives there. It means the land is not considered to be owned/used under the systems of the time. They knew they were there. And for what it is worth, the term Terra Nullius was not even used until the mid 19th century and did not become a common focus until the 1970’s when some historian pinched it from a situation in Algeria and stuck it onto a fabricated Australian history.
https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/journals/SGSocUphAUCon/2004/7.html
And the official timeframe for humans in Australia is 40-50,000 years. Hell, the longer humans were there makes it even worse they never got beyond stone-age hunter-gatherers. And there is no evidence that any of the many different peoples, without a common language, there in 1788 were even descended from the first humans to arrive.

Posted by: rosross | Jun 25 2025 5:31 utc | 897

There are principal, religiously bound reasons why it has so far refrained from doing so.

And yet preparing the enrichment level in case the principal religiously bound reasons stop being principal one morning?
Nobody in the world will ever trust that construct, this poorly conceived duplicitous argument. What Iran does is simply copying the model of Israel. But 60% enrichment is in itself a needless corruption of NPT, even if it’s “by the letter” not a weapon. With geopolitics there are no “good” and “bad guys. There’s no “honest” and “deceitful’ side. That childlike world does not exist. Lets not analyze like it either.

Posted by: John Dowser | Jun 25 2025 5:49 utc | 898

Re: Posted by: rosross | Jun 25 2025 5:31 utc | 897
That is interesting history in the continent now known as Australia. Some details that I did not know. Thanks for the info.
It does not change my general view of what is right and what is wrong (no change at all is possible), however I do usually accept new details into the calculations. I hold an eternal stance on things – obviously.
You seem to be a little contradictory at the ending paragraph. You say that in 40K or more years of being there, that “makes it even worse they never got beyond stone-age hunter-gatherers”?
Well (I am not sure exactly what your philosophy is, don’t get me wrong) that is assuming a huge preference for high-tech crazy insane post-modern lifestyle, isn’t it? I do not think that it is something to be very proud of.
If any thinker does think that way or they don’t, we have to calirfy what is the OPTIMUM human way of life, culture and society and their technology. I have some glaring news for you – primitive “hunter gatherer” are a lot more advanced, if they have developed into that from an initial rejection of high-tech “out of balance” life. Many societies have gone through that process. As soon as we accept that fact, then archaeology and the study of history of humans upon this Earth, will no longer be so darn confusing and ineffable!

Posted by: JesusChrist Official | Jun 28 2025 22:27 utc | 899