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June 23, 2025
Proliferation, Retaliation, And Other Consequences Of The War On Iran

There are several aspects of the U.S. and Israeli attacks on nuclear facilities that deserve further discussions:

  • Non-proliferation issues
  • Retaliation by Iran
  • Consequences of unlawful behavior

Before the U.S. and Israeli strikes on its nuclear facilities Iran was a long standing member of the Treaty for the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The IAEA, tasked with verifying the adherence to the NPT, was able to inspect Iranian facilities. It knew, down to the milligram, how much enriched Uranian Iran had produced and where it was stored.

Western intelligence services as well as the IAEA did not only confirm that Iran had no nuclear weapons. They confirmed that Iran did not even have a nuclear weapon program. There were no plans to produce any weapons.

All that is now in doubt.

The NPT's objective was to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology and to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. The second part was the reason why non-nuclear nations have joined the treaty.

The U.S. demand that Iran should stop all enrichment of Uranium, as needed for civilian nuclear reactors, and the attack on Iran's peaceful nuclear facilities make it obvious that Iran is getting deprived of all the positive elements the NPT had promised. There are also serious concerns that the IAEA has leaked the names of Iranian nuclear scientists to Israel which in the end led to their assassinations.

From Iran's side a continuation of its membership in the NPT and any cooperation with the IAEA have lost their purpose. There is no longer any reason to stay within the agreement. Iran is likely to leave the NPT.

That does mean, and does not make it more likely, that Iran will start to produce nuclear weapons. There are principal, religiously bound reasons why it has so far refrained from doing so. Those have not changed.

Iran has said that it had moved all enriched Uranium from its Fordow enrichment site shortly before the U.S. strike on the installation:

A senior Iranian source claimed to Reuters that before the U.S. attack on the Fordow nuclear facility last night (Sunday), all of the stock of enriched uranium at the site was transferred to another location.

At the same time, satellite images captured a large convoy moving near the underground nuclear facility two days before the attack. It is believed that this may be documentation of the transfer of the enriched material.

Some 400 kilogram of Uranium, enriched to 60% of U-235 isotopes needed for fission chain reactions, were squirreled away. The IAEA does not know where they are. Iran also still has a sufficient numbers of its most modern centrifuges needed for further enrichment. It can produced more if it needs those. Iran also has several other bunkers, similar to the Fordow and Natanz sites, which were build and equipped to eventually house additional enrichment facilities. Those sites are not (yet) known to the IAEA and have never been inspected.

I do expect that Iran will leave the NPT. It will 'go dark' about its nuclear program. It will not announce where it will do what with the nuclear material it has. The IAEA will no longer be allowed to have knowledge of it. This will make Iran a 'latent' nuclear weapon state even while it refrains from having a nuclear weapon.

Some might argue that Iran will not do that as it would make further U.S. attacks on it more likely.

Hello? The U.S. has just attacked Iran without ANY cause. It is likely to do so again, independent of whether Iran stays with the NPT rules or not.

Being a 'latent' nuclear weapon state constitutes an additional deterrence. The longer Iran stays in that state, the higher the risk for any attacker to be countered by nuclear means.

The attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities were not done to prevent it from getting nuclear weapons. The attacks are to provoke a violent response which can then be used to launch an all out war with the end-purpose of regime change in Iran.

[The Israeli government launched its attacks on Iran under the operation name 'Rising Lion'.

The flag on the left is the flag of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The flag on the right, depicting a lion in front of the rising sun, is the flag of Iran under the former dictatorship of the Shah. The U.S. and Israel are currently promoting the son of the deposed Shah of Iran as the future leader of the country. 'Rising Lion' was and is thus an obvious reference to a regime change operation in Iran.]

There is however no easy way to regime change Iran. The Iranian society is largely standing behind its government. That government is well established and seen as legitimate. It does not depend on one person. Even the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is easily replaceable. The regular military is counterbalanced with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. This makes a military coup plot untenable.

Unless there is a large scale foreign land invasion, supported by this or that minority in Iran, there is no chance to topple the Islamic Republic. The U.S. no longer has the Cold-War army that would potentially be able to do such.

Iran is likely to take additional measures in revenge for the attack on its nuclear facilities. It may well launch a symbolic strike against one U.S. base in the Gulf. But it is unlikely to do an all out attack on all U.S. assets in the Gulf region. That is still an option but it will be reserved for later.

Any measures taken now in response to the attacks on its nuclear facilities will likely by designed to NOT give the U.S. a pretext for additional attacks on Iran.

The main enemy of Iran is still Israel. Iran has established an attritional war against it. Daily attacks by drones and medium range missiles against Israel are designed to deplete its air defenses. Only after that is done will the strikes get more serious. Israel depends on air defenses manufactured and provided by the U.S. Their production is limited and it depends on the availability of rare materials. China is currently withholding rare earth licenses from U.S. weapon producers. This will further decrease the availability of air defense items.

Israel knows that it can not sustain an attritional war with Iran:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday said that Israel aims to avoid a "war of attrition" with Iran, the Times of Israel reported.

"We won't pursue our actions beyond what is needed to achieve [the goals], but we also won't finish too soon," Netanyahu was quoted as saying.

It is not for Netanyahoo to decide when the current war ends. (Just like it is not for Zelenski to decide when there will be a ceasefire in Ukraine.) Israel is already in a war of attrition. Iran will continue to wage it.

Iran will, as said, avoid a direct war with the U.S. military as long as it can. But it will implement measures that will squeeze the U.S. as best as it can. It is likely to close the Strait of Hormuz for all energy transports that are destined to reach countries which support its enemies. Transports to China, India and global south countries will continue. U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, and the U.S. itself, will suffer. Oil prices will increase – at least for those who oppose Iran.

To implement that does not even require openly hostile measures. Loud announcements, plus a few explosions next to tankers going from the Gulf towards Rotterdam, is all that is needed to deprive any such transports of insurance. The global 'free' markets create the consequences.

When the price of oil reaches above $100 per barrel the U.S. economy will move into a recession. During the midterm election the Republican party will lose the majority in the House and Senate. Trump will become a lame duck.

Trump attacked Iran without even an attempt to provide a sound reasoning. There was no false flag incident or any serious argument of weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. attacked Iran simply because it could do so.

Trump is thereby not only in breach of the U.S. constitution, which requires Congress to declare a war. The U.S. war of aggression against Iran is also a breach of the U.S. Charter. Its attacks on civil nuclear installations is a breach of the Additional Protocols of the Geneva Convention which prohibits these.

We are now in a new world disorder:

The first major consequence, in broader terms, is that this strike dealt a final, irreparable blow to what little remained of the post-war international legal and institutional framework. That order was already in tatters — shredded by a year and a half of Western-backed genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. But this latest attack makes it official: Western powers no longer feel the need to cloak their actions in legality, morality or even the façade of diplomatic legitimacy.

Today, even that pretense is gone. In Gaza, and now with the strikes on Iran, the gloves are fully off. What we’re witnessing is a regression to a kind of global lawlessness — a “might makes right” free-for-all where nothing is off limits: not the mass slaughter of civilians, not the bombing of nuclear sites, not even the complete sidelining of international institutions.

That the U.S. is doing this, with open support of its European proxies, is not only a danger for the international system but also for the domestic population of these countries:

This isn’t only a threat to international security. It’s also a profound threat to what little freedoms we still have left within the West itself. Make no mistake: the Western ruling classes’ open embrace of Mafia-style gangsterism abroad also means that they will have no qualms about brushing aside whatever ethical, legal, constitutional and democratic constrains that still stand in the way of their desperate, hallucinatory bid to preserve the crumbling order.

We have already seen this in the illegitimate suppression of protests against the genocide in Gaza. It will proliferate from there. The West is, slowly but accelerating, sliding from a 'rule of law' status into the darkness of unbound fascism. It is on us to prevent that.

Comments

can anyone kindly give me a decent round up of wtf is going on?”
Nope. It’s all rather opaque and totally clouded. Wait, someone will come along in no time and tell you exactly what is going on.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 3:56 utc | 724
WWF
Might be good to look up President Trump’s connections to it.

Posted by: Michael J | Jun 24 2025 4:10 utc | 701

persiflo | Jun 24 2025 3:59 utc | 728
What’s different this time from ancient times…. ie, the Gulf War, are the loitering drones.
Some of the NAFO open source intel accounts post flight tracking of Rivet drones and similar… well they post what’s known and seen. There’s obviously a lot more operating dark.
Try this account: (you don’t have to like these guys to use their stuff!)
https://nitter.net/SpeckleBelly64
> actually he’s 8hrs behind ATM. Just chase links across accounts until you find something “interesting”….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 4:11 utc | 702

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 4:08 utc | 733
LOL. I’m sure Mossad or Unit 8200 in concert with NSA has already pinpointed my exact location. Kind of scary, actually. Not worried about any MoA commentators, but I’d guess you’ve spent some time in the USA at points in your life. Probably the upper Midwest. That’s all I’m gonna say. Personally, MoA wouldn’t be the same w/o you, so do what you need to do to not get got.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:12 utc | 703

Posted by: janet | Jun 23 2025 22:32 utc | 370 “The six “possible bomb entry points” are a physical impossibility. The morons who photoshopped these have no knowledge of physics/mechanics at all.”
Could you be more specific as to why it is physical impossibility and what physics/mechanics is being missed in these claims?
Posted by: ed4

Solids are (essentially) incompressible.
Some “solids” incorporating air gaps (like concrete) are somewhat compressible.
Because of this a solid cannot move through another solid without the second being pulverized and moved out of the way.
The 6 “holes” are totally inconsistent with this.

Posted by: janet | Jun 24 2025 4:13 utc | 704

(3) Power Plants

Hadera 2.56GW✅
 (1 month to repair)
Ashkelon 2.25GW
✅ (1 month to repair)
Mt. Carmel (Haifa) 1.02GW✅
(2) Refineries

Haifa ✅

Ashdod
Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 3:56 utc | 723


Haifa was the REFINERY power plant. It’s called a “co-gen”. Refineries use a lot of power and steam, so they have a dedicated co-gen plant in the complex. I’ve seen no intel that the separate Haifa power plant was hit.
I’ve looked at the reporting and the Haifa refinery is down for at least a month. I haven’t seen any good intel that any of the power plants are down, nor the Ashdod refinery. I saw one missile hit in the Ashdod area, however there was a raging fire afterwards which you would definitely get with a refinery hit. Also last I checked the owner didn’t announce it is down, like they did with Haifa.
And if you lost your three biggest power plants, Israel would be dark.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I’d like to see some reliable cites.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 24 2025 4:14 utc | 705

For one example, everyone knows you are from the Houston area. No big secret.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 4:05 utc | 732
Not *from* the Houston area, and for 9/10ths of my life up to the point I moved, I swore up and down I’d never come live here in the armpit of the USA.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:14 utc | 706

Thomas Keith
@iwasnevrhere_
6m
Iran launched before the ceasefire. Impact lands after. Now the Zionists are trapped.
The timing forces a choice: respond under a “ceasefire” and break it, or stay silent and appear weak. Iran just delivered the final chapter, now the Zionists must choose between escalation and humiliation.

Posted by: Sir Reginald | Jun 24 2025 4:14 utc | 707

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1937363090854805612
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
A ceasefire decision rests solely with Iran’s National Security Council.
No official word—just noise, speculation, and confusion.
For now, Iran’s missiles have spoken the last word. Nothing is final yet.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/iran-launches-strikes-on-israeli-targets–despite-alleged-ce
Iran launches strikes on Israeli targets, despite alleged ceasefire
Sirens sounded across Israeli-occupied territories following waves of Iranian missile strikes after the US president announced a ceasefire.
….This comes after the United States President Donald Trump announced that a ceasefire had been reached between the two governments. However, Iran’s Foreign Minister, Abbas Aragchi, said that no ceasefire was reached, explaining that Iran will not launch strikes on Israeli targets unless an aggression is launched.
Yet, the foreign minister stressed that a final decision on ending operations would be taken at a later time.
Israeli media reported that Iran is seeking to deliver a final blow before the ceasefire takes effect at 7 am (Al-Quds time), aiming to assert strength in the final hours of the confrontation.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 24 2025 4:15 utc | 708

Correction, the video didn’t show a raging fire at Ashdod, and it’s hard to make out what got hit.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 24 2025 4:16 utc | 709

Seyed Abbas Araghchi
@araghchi
·
3h
The military operations of our powerful Armed Forces to punish Israel for its aggression continued until the very last minute, at 4am.
Together with all Iranians, I thank our brave Armed Forces who remain ready to defend our dear country until their last drop of blood, and who responded to any attack by the enemy until the very last minute.
https://x.com/araghchi

The exceptionally heavy strikes on Iran must have been an effort by Nutty to prevent Irn from stopping at this point. Israel continued striking after that 4am point.
Iran waited for sometime but Israel persisted. Iran’s response has been to drop a large building. This appears to be the first mass casualty event Israel has suffered.
Iran is now well on its way to securing a good place in the emerging multi-polar world among the states that engage in diplomacy and abide by international law.
As Putin says, Israel is nealy Russian speaking. Iran likely has a free hand – a nod given from its allies – to seriously up the anti until Israel taps.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 4:18 utc | 710

janet | Jun 24 2025 4:13 utc | 738
There’s satellite images of the Iranians using heavy machinery to put fill and scree around the entrances and air intake vents of Fordow days before the “Big Beautiful Bombing..the Best Biggest Bombing you’ve ever seen. No one can Bomb as Bigly as me, Bombing… “
Some suggestion the “subsidence” seen is just the hasty scree slipping… whether because of some sort of explosion or just because loose scree slips on steep hillsides

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 4:19 utc | 711

Posted by: Sir Reginald | Jun 24 2025 4:14 utc | 741
Only in the warped, brainwashed, coddled and ‘special’ mind of a Zionist is it even a consideration to violate a ceasefire on the sole basis that it takes time for a barrage of missiles and drones to travel a certain geographic distance before making contact – and – after the former party had done the exact same thing, in their typical Tit-for-Tit-for-Eventual-Tat aggression.
Fuck Israel. I am guessing ‘Iran’ hopes they keep the kinetic hostilities going. They’ve saved up.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:19 utc | 712

Any opinions from the bar?
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 24 2025 3:59 utc | 728
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Iran can launch missiles vertically from its underground missile cities without using TELs. Never heard of or read about that?

Posted by: CS prevailing | Jun 24 2025 4:19 utc | 713

@Melaleuca | Tue, 24 Jun 2025 02:14:00 GMT | 596

Cookoos. Laying information eggs in the “alt” media space.

I love that! How about we add this to our Moa Dictionary of salubrious bar talk? Cue concern troll.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 24 2025 4:20 utc | 714

We can only make some guesses based on your language over time. Same with LB.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 4:18 utc | 745
Who’s LB? Did you mean LD? And come on. Stop with this shit. Where do YOU live?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:20 utc | 715

I looked at the “photos” of the Fordow damage.
The six “possible bomb entry points” are a physical impossibility.
The morons who photoshopped these have no knowledge of physics/mechanics at all.
I guess the idea of this Jew deception is to get Iran to attack the US “without the US attacking Iran first”.
And this is to stampede the American faction, that is saying no, into war.
As is obvious, this US attack never happened.
It was, and likely continues to be, a complete work of fiction, delivered to you by the Jew media.
The supposed strikes on American bases in Qatar are likely more of the same fiction, although an Israeli false flag event is possible.
They must be really really desperate to try something as stupid as this.

Posted by: janet | Jun 24 2025 4:20 utc | 716

2025 NATO Summit: Sec-Gen’s Pre-Summit News Conference, June 23, 2025
https://www.youtube.com/live/E9moat1LPXA
“NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte speaks with reporters…’Let me first say a word on Iran…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 4:23 utc | 717

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 4:23 utc | 752
Interest piqued. You have my attention, but 44 minutes? Please provide the book report if this is important.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:26 utc | 718

Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 4:24 utc | 753
Did you ever spend any time on Zero Hedge about 8 years ago? Know any former Blackhawk pilots? Female ones?
Needle in the dark, shot in a haystack (yuk yuk), but you jogged a few disparate memories there.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:27 utc | 719

@ Tom Pfotzer | Jun 24 2025 3:14 utc | 676
thanks and sorry for the delay in responding.. watched a 1 hour movie and just back now, but signing off here too for the night..
i think the issue of iranian leadership is fluid at the moment, but of course i have no real idea of what it actually is.. just a guess.. the meeting in the past 24 hours with the iranians and russia – maybe we will be told something on this which will shed more light..
on the other topics – a ceasefire by decree from trump? lol.. i can’t see that holding, but i would be happy to be wrong..
thanks for your many fine and worthwhile posts tom.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2025 4:31 utc | 720

ResistanceTrench
Hebrew media close to Netanyahu: “The last volley was fired before 7:00 AM, from our perspective the event is over”
Believe it when I see it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:33 utc | 721

see the photos and short video at the first link
see the 8-second video at the third link. apparently from Be’er Sheva, south of occupied Palestine. at least 8 reported dead and dozens injured in the strike (hyper-sonic missile too)
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/21010
Middle East Spectator – MES
—❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 Be’er Shebaa, it is said that dozens are still missing under the rubble
https://x.com/PTVBreaking1/status/1937364869990240337
Press TV Breaking @PTVBreaking1
Ceasefire begins following four waves of Iranian attacks on Israeli-occupied territoreis
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1937356089466511418
Seyed Mohammad Marandi @s_m_marandi
This is for the families still buried under the rubble in Gaza.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 24 2025 4:33 utc | 722

intel slava update
– Summary for anyone who’s catching up on all of this:
• Trump declares ceasefire, vaguely implies it’ll start at 12AM eastern (in 3 minutes)
• Everyone then says it’ll start at 8:30PM eastern
• Israelis launch huge attack on Tehran right up until 8:29
• Iranian FM vaguely implies that a ceasefire is now in effect, without saying it explicitly
• After a short break, Iran strikes Israel
• Now Israeli sources say the ceasefire is actually supposed to start at 11:00PM
• Netanyahu vaguely says that a ceasefire will start at 12AM
• At 11PM the Iranian strikes stop and every news aggregator says that Iran and Israel have both declared the ceasefire in effect
• Two minutes later Iran launches more missiles
• They’ve now been pounding Israel for almost an hour straight

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2025 4:34 utc | 723

@747 Tom_Q_Collins
Think we’re up to 13+ plus obliterated settlers at the moment.
Hope Khomeini gives those bloodthirsty savages hell on earth all day and all night off the top of the back arsenals. A hundred thousand plus innocent bodies in Gaza deserve that much at least.

Posted by: warxism | Jun 24 2025 4:34 utc | 724

“The last volley was fired before 7:00 AM, from our perspective the event is over”
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:33 utc | 759
The timing is interesting. 7am would be shortly after Iran dropped the multi story building resulting in many casualties – killed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 4:37 utc | 725

The Persians could launch while Trump is at the NATO conference taking victory laps. It could be over for now with both sides patching their wounds while planning for the next round. This is not over. Hours, days, months, years. It will restart in due time.
Meanwhile everyone gets a gold medal and declares victory.

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 24 2025 4:39 utc | 726

https://www.presstv.ir/Live Rumble

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 24 2025 4:41 utc | 727

• Iranian FM vaguely implies that a ceasefire is now in effect, without saying it explicitly
Posted by: james | Jun 24 2025 4:34 utc | 761
It wasn’t vague and it was explicit.
From the horses mouth. The account of the Iranian foreign minister.
https://x.com/araghchi

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 4:41 utc | 728

I know you have said you are originally from west Texas. Totally different.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 4:24 utc | 753
“West Texas” means so many things, too. Really depends on who and where you ask in Texas. Interestingly enough, Iran is about 2.5x the size of Texas, and Texas is mostly empty. TX population 29M; Iran population 292M.
That’s an order of magnitude for those who seem to think that Iran = Syria or Libya or Iraq.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:43 utc | 729

Oopps….Iran is NINETY TWO million. Sorry don’t know where I got the 2XX.
So about as dense considering relative area.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:44 utc | 730

• Iranian FM vaguely implies that a ceasefire is now in effect, without saying it explicitly
Posted by: james | Jun 24 2025 4:34 utc | 761
Thanks.
The Iranian FM does not speak for Iran.
The Iranian FM speaks for US.

Posted by: janet | Jun 24 2025 4:45 utc | 731

Israeli media: The government told us that a ceasefire had been established, we returned to our homes, and then the Iranians bombed us.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:36 utc | 711
And there it is: the predicted “we are victims of the ceasefire” ….yawn
Keep hitting them like they did to Gaza

Posted by: sheldon-cooper | Jun 24 2025 4:53 utc | 732

@ Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 4:41 utc | 766
thanks… but i am not seeing it in your link.. fwiw – i was quote telegram channel – intel slava here – https://t.me/intelslava/77051?single

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2025 4:53 utc | 733

“Anyone have an idea who lived in that building in Beersheba?”
Given the current level of kabuki, I’d guess some prosecutor / political foe of Netanyahu whom he wanted taken out.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Jun 24 2025 4:53 utc | 734

kick all those IAEA inspectors out. a nest full of spies for israel and USA. apparently, Iranians scientists are dead because of them
within a few hours after the IAEA would leave that (uranium) site, wherever it is, the USA and israel would start a massive bombardment. you can put that at 98%+ probability.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1937366766436434196
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
He wants to inspect the 40.8 kg of 60% uranium and can’t find them. What do you think his motives are?
https://x.com/rafaelmgrossi/status/1936877494910554471
Rafael Mariano Grossi @rafaelmgrossi
IAEA inspectors are in Iran, and they must do their job, including verifying 400kg of uranium enriched to 60%.
For that, we need a cessation of hostilities. Any arrangement requires establishing the facts on the ground, which can be done only through IAEA inspections.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 24 2025 4:56 utc | 735

As it stands now, the whole intervention of the US and its bombing of nuclear sites, causing no real damage was to allow Iran to retaliate without causing any real damage. This would then be the basis for the end of hostilities. But why did they need an end to hostilities if Israel was winning. No, Israel could no longer sustain the daily onslaught with missile attacks. Why is Iran not going for the kill? The suspension of hostilities will only allow Israel to rearm itself and for the US to improve its air defence. After which they will be attacked again. Trying to be the adult in the room, trying to have the moral high ground, trying to be rational etc.. will only be perceived as being weak in the west. When did all this got started. It started by the election of a new president in Iran, who was more open for a good relationship with the west. This was perceived as weakness and an opportunity to destroy it. There is only one thing the west respects and that is military strength. So why would Iran not continue the war? That is the same answer why the West is mostly rich and the rest of the world is mostly poor. The West pursues its objectives relentlessly, whatever it takes, without any morality. It has always been like that, since the west was ‘created’, by the invasion of the Germanic tribes. And how they are, what their true nature is was described almost 2000 years ago.

Posted by: hubert | Jun 24 2025 5:02 utc | 736

james | Jun 24 2025 4:53 utc | 771
Seyed Abbas Araghchi
@araghchi
·
3h
The military operations of our powerful Armed Forces to punish Israel for its aggression continued until the very last minute, at 4am.
Together with all Iranians, I thank our brave Armed Forces who remain ready to defend our dear country until their last drop of blood, and who responded to any attack by the enemy until the very last minute.
………….
To me, the sections I highlighted do not look vague. Netanyahu is trying to do a Zelensky but I suspect this is now winding down.
The Iranians look to be working this in a similar way Putin worked Ukraine. Although it did not succeed until change of regime in washington. Starmer is still holding the comedians hand so that has not fully would down. Israel and Iran – the Americans have declared victory and left. Nutty will not get his expected support from the Americans.
All he has to show for it is a bombed out promised land.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 5:04 utc | 737

Iran should deliver that Uranium on a hypersonic special delivery for the Kinneset.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 5:05 utc | 738

So a Trumpian ceasefire is that the victim, Iran, ceases fire and the aggressor, Israel, gets to keep bombing for another 12 hours. Must have been a hell of a night on the booze to come up with that one. The Iranians must have danced and clapped and cheered The Donald.

Posted by: rosross | Jun 24 2025 5:06 utc | 739

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:4 3 utc | 767
>Makes an obvious typo……
Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:44 utc | 768
Correction posted = 1 fucking second layer.
But no. Gotcha!
Dirk | Jun 24 2025 4:56 utc | 773
= Nope. Study up more, amigo. Iran population is ore like 92M.(includes typo)
——-
C’mon guys. Just …. Cut each other and the rest of us some slack….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 5:07 utc | 740

Israel “bombed” the US in 2001 and we ended up destroying Afghanistan and Iraq in response.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:15 utc
The point was it would unite Americans and it did, even if they were fooled into thinking it was Iraq to blame and Afghanistan, when the perpetrators were identified as Saudis. Doesn’t say much for the intelligence of Americans. I could never get my head around that one – They were Saudis but we are going to attack Iraq and Afghanistan. WTF.

Posted by: rosross | Jun 24 2025 5:08 utc | 741

michaelj72 | Jun 24 2025 4:56 utc | 774
Grossi. Invite him to come inspect in person.
Give him the old rope necklace in the public square that Iran is known for.
Job done.
Anyone else wanna FAFO?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 5:10 utc | 742

Dirk, It’s that Mercator projection and Ukraine’s oversize in the Risk game.
El Paso/Big Bend are Chihuahuan desert, where West Texas is more the high plains of the panhandle. Some say West Texas starts at Lubbock, if you’re a ding dong daddy from Dumas.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 5:12 utc | 743

haha, no one can figure out where I am. I know some of those Holyland Foundation folk, I know they know me, not that there is anything there.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 5:13 utc | 744

Dirk
You were doing all right earlier.
Now you’re closing in on being a jerk.
We’ve got the jerk end of the bar fully stocked ATM. No need to join them
——
Anyway I’ve got a dog to walk.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 5:14 utc | 745

Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 5:10 utc | 782
Grossi – reminds me of the Russian finding the OSCE cameras linked to a screen in the nazi ukraine artillery headquarters in that sector

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 5:14 utc | 746

BTW, my favorite poster is now Tomas Keith. https://nitter.poast.org/iwasnevrhere_ I don’t know if he’s serious or not, if he’s sucking his data out of AI or if he’s really that smart. I don’t know if he’s a science fiction writer or serviceman, but whatever he is, he’s *really* entertaining and reenchanting. For “reechantment of the world”, see https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-reenchantment-of-the-world I think Keith is doing it right, regardless if his knowledge is fake or real.
Posted by: rert | Jun 24 2025 3:03 utc | 660
Appreciate your link to Tomas Keith. His posts certainly has the tells of LLM structuring but it also had one of the best explanations of Israeli AD friendly fire I’ve seen.
I wonder if this is a person using AI to help with posting or a real bonafide AI that can aggregate news from various sources and post them on X.

Posted by: V | Jun 24 2025 5:16 utc | 747

One of my Druidic Elders, a few of them still around since the Solstice, has just informed me that that 60% stuff was sent to North Korea some time ago for further processing and that it will be returned, duly processed, when things are a little quieter.
Just reporting what they told me – they have the all-seeing EYE you know.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 24 2025 5:23 utc | 748

FM Aaraghchi: Thanks Iranian Armed Forces For ‘Punishing’ Israel For Its Aggression
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/06/24750083/fm-thanks-armed-forces-punishing-israel-aggression
“…He said the military operations to ‘punish’ the Zionist regime for its aggression against the Islamic Republic continued ‘until the last minute,’ concluding at 4 a.m. local time.
Immediately after his tweet and before the ceasefire came into effect, Iranian Armed Forces launched a final salvo of missiles at the occupied territories which made direct impacts. Videos shared online showed air-raid Sirens blaring in Tel Aviv, Haifa and other cities of panic-stricken settlers running toward underground shelters.
While FM Araghchi’s remarks hint at the possibility of a ceasefire, other senior Iranian officials have yet to respond publicly to the reported agreement.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 5:26 utc | 749

Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺
@ejmalrai
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58m
“Peace President” Donald Trump is still busy kissing his own hand, claiming his B-2 bombers secured a ceasefire—one only he and Israel have announced. No one else got the memo.
………
Magnier is often slow on the uptake when it comes to the big bad world of geo-politics. Trump has neatly freed himself of the Zelensky like grasp of Netanyahu.
At one point in the Syrian stuff, there was a cartoon of John Kerry resignedly leading two toddler size headchoppers by the hand to talks or something, one eather side of him.
Starmer is now left holding Zelensky’s hand, little Zelensky with begging bowl and bag of coke in the other. Soon Starmer will have to hold nutty’s hand as well In his free hand,nutty will be holding up a picture of a cartoon bomb and screaming Amaleks, Armaleks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 5:26 utc | 750

“Make no mistake: the Western ruling classes’ open embrace of Mafia-style gangsterism abroad also means that they will have no qualms about brushing aside whatever ethical, legal, constitutional and democratic constrains that still stand in the way of their desperate, hallucinatory bid to preserve the crumbling order.”
As an American citizen, this is the part which is most distasteful. In a flagrant disregard for International Law, Trump ordered US Military forces to attack the sovereign property of another international State. At least GHWB spent four months in a Kabuki theater exercise pretending to build a Western “coalition of the willing”, designed to satisfy the nay-sayers. One by one he assembled a coalition of 64 countries to participate in the attack against a sovereign country, and even secured UN Resolution 678 to make his attack legal, giving it the “sheen” of international consensus. Now in 2025, even that ruse has been tossed aside and discarded. Now the US empire no longer pretends that it needs to take its case to an international body, or take its case to the US Senate or US House, or to the US voters. No, all that pretense is over. Without any UN authorization, without any UN resolution, the US executive branch, colluding with a state which is still in violation of UN Resolution 242, has attacked a sovereign UN member without any proper legal process. It is gangsterism, violent thuggery, a complete disregard for established International Law! So now any country is just free to attack another country, based on whispers and rumors? Really? What happened to “Drain the Swamp?” What happened to “The Iraq War was the single biggest mistake in our country’s history”? Hardly. Trump has flagrantly given the middle finger to those who believed in him. In this one act, he has outdone Bush Sr, Clinton’s illegal attacks against Serbia, Bush Jr, and Obama. Antiwar Republicans and Paleoconservatives (who never trusted him) will turn on him. Thomas Massie is our flag-bearer now. Good luck Tom. PS: you better hire a food taster.

Posted by: Zack | Jun 24 2025 5:28 utc | 751

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 5:12 utc | 784
Lubbock or Leave It! Buddy Holly St (or is it Blvd now) and “The Strip” (when it was “dry”).
Honestly I hate Lubbock, Plainview and Levelland. People in Amarillo much nicer, but I only know them from work and state wrestling tournaments.
I’m from REAL WT. Night all. Including the Unit 8200/N S A clowns targeting my hardened location.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 5:34 utc | 752

Observation:
If legacy media was becoming obsolete before it has become totally irrelevant now.
Even their attempts to remain relevant through YouTube and tiktok have been rendered futile as of this week.
While millions receive raw, unfiltered and almost real time information on critical events, immediately augmented by analysts (and crackpots) and collectively assessed for sentiment in seconds, legacy media takes hours to receive, process, censor, spin and carefully reveal an inconsistent, cognitively dissonant and bland version of reality.
In the meantime the masses already know what is up on the ground. When they compare with the story traditional media is selling them they react with ridicule and flood the comments section with disdain.
Legacy media is dead. Jew media is dead.
Here lies BBC, Sky, Fox and CNN. Dead from starvation of “likes and subscribes”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 5:39 utc | 753

Trump Announces Ceasefire Between Iran & ISrael:
https://www.rt.com/news/620165-us-joins-iran-bombing/
LIVE UPDATES:

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 5:41 utc | 754

On the subject of how the entire inner circle of the current POTUS is compromised by Zionists:
“🔺Netanyahu’s man inside Trump’s political circle
Former British diplomat Alistaire Crooke explains how Ron Dermer strategically positions himself in Trump’s inner circle to advocate Israeli interests directly with US decision-makers.
Watch in full @Unscripted_PTV”
https://t.me/presstv/146068

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 5:50 utc | 755

I looked at the “photos” of the Fordow damage.
The six “possible bomb entry points” are a physical impossibility.
The morons who photoshopped these have no knowledge of physics/mechanics at all.
I guess the idea of this Jew deception is to get Iran to attack the US “without the US attacking Iran first”.
And this is to stampede the American faction, that is saying no, into war.
As is obvious, this US attack never happened.
It was, and likely continues to be, a complete work of fiction, delivered to you by the Jew media.
The supposed strikes on American bases in Qatar are likely more of the same fiction, although an Israeli false flag event is possible.
They must be really really desperate to try something as stupid as this.

Posted by: janet | Jun 24 2025 5:51 utc | 756

….. Correction, the video didn’t show a raging fire at Ashdod, and it’s hard to make out what got hit.
Posted by: JackG……
Good points. I’ll agree with you the Ashdod refinery and the Ashkelon power plant are not fully confirmed as offline. However, yesterday there were offical reports of widespread power outages throughout the land. Maybe, just that big sub-station outside of Ashdod which was hit caused a rippling outage.
In any event, the mass flight of IDF reservists is a tell.
TBD.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 5:55 utc | 757

Is ed4 really Tom_12 or John Helmer? Tune in for more useless post and questions, right here in your friendly bar “where nobody really knows who’s who”.
Posted by: Suresh | Jun 23 2025 23:44 utc | 439
You’re so full of curry dung I can smell it through the ether.
Sherlock and Holmes would get a good laugh from you walnut brain farts. Don’t strain it too hard trying to figure out the mysteries of the Universe. Tying your shoelaces I bet is sufficient.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 5:58 utc | 758

Re:ceasefire
So Trump managed to neatly sidestep the trap Netanyahu sprung on him and avoid a regional war.
The big loser in this is Israel and the Israeli lobby. Netanyahu thought he could drag the US into a regional war to finish what he started as he couldn’t and the Israel Lobby didn’t have the clout to force Trump’s hand.
MAGA needs low inflation and low energy prices for their agenda to succeed. Israel’s actions, if followed through, would have led to catastrophically high (for the MAGA agenda) oil prices.
Either the Lobby won or MAGA did. Trump gave each base a bone, not filling but not empty handed either.
The big winner was Iran. Their missile tech is world class.
The question now is: what happens to Netanyahu?

Posted by: Down South | Jun 24 2025 5:58 utc | 759

El Paso/Big Bend are Chihuahuan desert, where West Texas is more the high plains of the panhandle. Some say West Texas starts at Lubbock, if you’re a ding dong daddy from Dumas.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 5:12 utc | 786
Forgive this O/T screed but I am sick of war.
Y’all be keepin me awake now. El Paso is high desert, not high plains like Lubbock, more like Bend, Oregon without any trees nearby. I’m originally from Slow-Deatha and went to HS in Middlin’. Boom/bust oil towns but the latter doesn’t smell of petro distillates as bad. West Texas starts in the Permian Basin or where I-20 separates from I-10 (Fort Stockton is a little further west, where Mountain time starts and Pecos is just about 40mi away). How it’s categorized elswhere is beyond me. Balmorhea is virtually Van Horn/Ft. Stockton. If I had my druthers I’d retire in Alpine, Fort Davis or Marfa and watch the sunsets. I could also be convinced to do the Santa Fe region or the outskirts of ABQ – it’s all peaceful, almost empty and beautiful. But…many MIC contractors and supposedly secret sites there. My uncle and former mentor did the whole NMMI (Neemee) thing as pre-Gen X would-be dropouts or ne’er do wells in Roswell. Just after the alien shit.
Highly underrated part of the country. My wife from the hollers of WV initially assumed it was all busted down broken up cars covered with dust. What she didn’t realize is that we also used them Saleen Mustangs formerly employed as cartel nighttime no-headlight runners as chicken coops when we couldn’t get replacement parts on e-Bay during college.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 6:01 utc | 760

The big winner was Iran. Their missile tech is world class.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 24 2025 5:58 utc | 806
Netanyahu? Dead man walking.
What I want to know is what happens to the stock price of Raytheon, GD, Boeing and Lockheed once the full report card of their air defense systems gets out …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 6:03 utc | 761

Tom,
Red or green chilé ?

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 6:05 utc | 762

see the photo at the first link
remember, folks, what usually happens in a ‘ceasefire’ in the Middle East is that the Palestinians, or Lebanese, or Iranians, or Iraqis cease, and the israelis fire!
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1937342371143786623
Seyed Mohammad Marandi @s_m_marandi
Negev, occupied Palestine.
Stop killing Palestinian babies you monsters.
https://x.com/Pataramesh/status/1937353016723571190
Patarames @Pataramesh
Remember:
There never was “Israeli air-superiority over Iran”
There never was a capability to halt Iranian missile launches
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1937370634750951678
Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand
Pretty funny to see some foreign policy “experts” praise Trump’s approach to Iran when what he’s actually done is prove that Kim Jong Un was right about everything.
Essentially, here are the 4 lessons that countries serious about their survival have learned from what happened:
Key lesson 1: You must have nuclear weapons, but you need to develop them outside of any international monitoring
Key lesson 2: Diplomacy with the West is worse than useless, it’s harmful
Key lesson 3: You need to fear all Western technology
Key lesson 4: Preemptive strikes and targeted assassinations of civilians are legitimate
I just wrote an article explaining why that’s the case (link in next tweet)

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 24 2025 6:06 utc | 763

Down South | Jun 24 2025 5:58 utc | 806
In total agreement with you.
I guess the only thing I would add is the US admins fictional destruction of Iran nuclear stuff. That has removed Nutty and AIPAC’s main weapon.
Difficult to tell how far this theater goes back. A recent off the cuff, spur of the moment thing, or going back much further.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 6:07 utc | 764

Key lesson 4: Preemptive strikes and targeted assassinations of civilians are legitimate
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 24 2025 6:06 utc | 810
Oh Michael, you go far but not far enough:
Key lesson 5.: Terrorism is the new way of war. You must destroy your enemy from within even as you attack from without.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 6:09 utc | 765

Exile@809
Green chili from Hatch is the best, fresh roasted.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 24 2025 6:11 utc | 766

Amazing Recording: Zionazi at work
https://x.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1937322902548021634
“Washington Post publishes audio of Israeli agents blatantly threatening to kill more innocent women and children amid unprovoked war on Iran…”
USrael must fall.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 6:13 utc | 767

Tom,
Red or green chilé ?
Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 6:05 utc | 809
I like Indian food, but ID the curry just from smell is not my forte.
Perhaps brilliant Suresh can help us out.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 6:17 utc | 768

Tom_12 @ 815
Bangers and mash. Or my wife’s favorite, Haggis and tatty scone.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 24 2025 6:20 utc | 769

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 6:05 utc | 809
Akin to asking me my favorite kind of music. I like it all. For enchiladas and dipping chips before meals, I like red. Warm or cold. There are many complex variations with red salsa/sauce.
What a lot of people may not know is that chiles rellenos (stuffed peppers) in MX are the “hatch” or Anaheim peppers – not the thick skinned giant Poblanos so common in Tex-Mex joints throughout the US. You gotta go to that part of the country to really experience it.
Man and yeah whoever said Hatch, it’s the real deal and has been WAY before the marketing push ended up placing those chiles in supermarkets around the country. It was much better in the 90s.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 6:21 utc | 770

Difficult to tell how far this theater goes back.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 6:07 utc | 811

LOL. Nothing ever changes in fantasy land so long as the narrative can be maintained.
Change comes when the situation overtakes the plan.
The US Govt. has to sell half a trillion dollars of debt pretty damn soon. Trump needs to keep the buyers happy.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 24 2025 6:23 utc | 771

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 24 2025 6:06 utc | 810
I was thinking the same.
If the Butcher of Tel Aviv had the upper hand the Psychopaths of Zion would bomb until there was nothing left to bomb. Gaza knows as does Syria where they went on a destruction spree to make sure Syria only had bows and arrows for a military.
I don’t trust these snacks for a second. Without a bomb it’s just a matter of time before they come to the gates of Iran to knock them down.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 6:23 utc | 772

JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 6:13 utc | 814
If Washington Post did put that out then quite interesting. What is in it for WAPO in exposing the zionists as the child killers they are in that way.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 6:23 utc | 773

Washington Post publishes audio of Israeli agents blatantly threatening to kill more innocent women and children amid unprovoked war on Iran…”
USrael must fall.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 6:13 utc | 814
Like I said, there’s no ceasefire while Mossad infects Iran.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 6:23 utc | 774

I don’t trust these snacks for a second. Without a bomb it’s just a matter of time before they come to the gates of Iran to knock them down.
Posted by: Tom_12 | June 24, 2025 at 06:23
Ha ha ha …
snacks —> snakes

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 6:25 utc | 775

There’s one more thing Iran needs to do to complete it’s victory in this round of the war:
Declare its exit from the npt.
Netanyahu is still announcing mission accomplished on Iran’s nuclear program.
We all know that’s a lie, but Iran calling curtains on the NPT will underscore that.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 6:25 utc | 776

Exile, that’s NM, but the only answer is to Quote Van Morrison “Christmas” That is from Glad Tidings, off Moondance. I often cite the “meet them halfway with love peace and persuasion”. And thought of Trump’s ceasefire gambit, but I hate to sully good songs with politics.
Tom Q, so my daughter took 2nd in state a couple years back. she had 1 to 0 going into the 3rd, with about a minute left, she has the one leg, sweeps, turns and pulls a bit, they go to he may be the other girl ends up on top. She got 2nd in that match losing 2-1. Tough way to lose.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 6:28 utc | 777

Tom_12 @ 815
Bangers and mash. Or my wife’s favorite, Haggis and tatty scone.
Posted by: Suresh | Jun 24 2025 6:20 utc | 816
Yeh, I can see you in your best kilt playing the bagpipes and scarfing down chana.
Mystery is gone

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 6:30 utc | 778

So Trump managed to neatly sidestep the trap Netanyahu sprung on him and avoid a regional war.
The big winner was Iran. Their missile tech is world class.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 24 2025 5:58 utc | 806
This is far from over, a little ceasefire means nothing. Trump can even hit Iran during the ceasefire like he hit Yemen during the ceasefire, you’ll have to wait and see.
Iran may have defeated all defense systems the west has today, more types and numbers than what Russia encountered in their little smo they still can’t win, but it looks like Iran will never be allowed to build their own npps or basically anything, US/Israel or even EU (at least FR and DE say so) will blow them up instantly. Now they’re fully dependent on Russia’s mood, if they continue the npp projects or not, if they will provide the fuel after they’re finished. If they leave, the npps will become latent dirty bombs waiting for someone to blow them up and lost money for Iran.
In the end, BibiRICS fully supported rules based order against Iran, not the international law they pretend to. And I told you Trumpy will normalize nuclear use, so far he normalized the dirty bomb in just a few months.

Posted by: rk | Jun 24 2025 6:33 utc | 779

“petergrfstrm’s claim that the englanders deliberately drove their failing state into even further impecuniarity by sponsoring the Iranian revolution is ridiculous”
@Debsisdead | Jun 23 2025 23:55 utc | 455
I wrote an answer but IT issues happened
Anyway the things you have difficulty in believing have been dumped into the memoryhole Bigtime!
One cure is that you read Robert Dreyfuss Hostage for Khomeini (1981)
The seventies from the Yom Kippur war and on to 1978-79 was an extremely dramatic era completely memoryholed.
Who remembers today the deal signed by Helmut Schmidt and Breznev?
There is a reprint of an article about it in a 1978 issue of the campaigner. It is available at wlym.com
That was the beginning of a much more comprehensive deal involving West Germany the USSR France Japan and OPEC.
Britain was the european country who protested the new financial instrument that the continental europeans were launching.
No sursprise there if it hadnt been memoryholed.
It was also a powerful threat to the coming petrodollar hegemony.
The shah revealed that it wasnt retribution against Israel that caused OPEC’s oil price chock but it was an open request by the US!
It was a part of the coming petrodollar deal.
And the European/USSR/Japan/OPEC rival plans were about strengthening that new financial project by developing – industrialisng – poor countries. That was one condition for OPECs participation.
Somebody referring to one commenter pertergfndb something – was that meant to be me?
He said Westinghouse was involved. That is correct but so was West Germany and both France and the USSR could contribute with knowhow had the project continued.
The thing is the shah was too independent. He wanted to collaborate with both east and west. And he began to speak of Iran becoming the worlds fifth economy.
The US/UK doesnt want nation builders to emerge with ambitious plans neither do they want the poor countries to industrialise.
The shah also put an end to the Opium problem undermining peoples health. That was another blow to Britain for which Opium trade has been a source of imperial wealth as you probably know.
Thus the oligarchy is against scientific development.
The oligarchy has been like that for many centuries if not millenia so it didnt begin with the anglosaxons. The oligarchy wants the peoples to be ignorant.
It may sound odd but when there was a premiere for Hollywood’s China Syndrom and the Harrisburg ‘accident’ happened two weeks later it most likely was a deliberate sabotage. To undermine worldwide use of nuclear power.
Had nuclear power proliferated and the poor nations had become industrialised the angloamerican hegemony would have been lost or so feared the anglosaxons.
Officially it was about making the USSR lose influence by supporting an islamic conservative type of regime. But like I sketched above there was more.
Read Dreyfuss book to get updated
There are also several articles in Larouchepub’s EIR issues from 1978 and on

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 24 2025 6:34 utc | 780

Pueblo – Poblano
A person or thing from Pueblo is a Poblano. Nacio en Pueblo, entonces soy Poblano (sorry can’t be bothered with accents).
Hence a “Poblano” pepper was (supposedly?) first cultivated or popularized through (or in) Pueblo, MX.
“Hatch” is now a marketing term. New Mexico has always had indigenous and colonial pepper cultivators and now they’ve seized on a very successful marketing action. Hatch connotates the Hatch Valley. Which isn’t to say I don’t approve. They are pepper geniuses in NM if you appreciate the long thin variety that is much more flexibly used than a lot of the others like serranos, scotch bonnets, jalapenos, bell, and typical supermarket produce. New Mexico State has a pepper botany science wing that the Zionists would probably bomb if it was in Gaza or Iran.
NM green or red chile is not what you’re going to find ANYWHERE else in the US including most of Texas. Real NM or MX spice is on par with Thai. Thai and MX are far beyond anything you ever thought was “spicy” if you’re a Vietnamese, Chinese, or even Indian food (curry) afficionado.
Alright people, nice to talk about things that are not war. I’m out. But I am craving a Blake’s Lottaburger green chile single or Chico’s Taco’s double with extra cheese right now.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 6:35 utc | 781

Pueblo chilis are better and hotter. Hatch is kind of a tourist trap now.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 6:25 utc | 823
In Trinidad & Tobago they had stuff so hot that you would need to put ice cubes up your butt to live the next day. But once you got used to it was OK.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 6:38 utc | 782

This forum has devolved into a culinary cesspool. I’m out!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 6:39 utc | 783

From Al Manar

09:18 Trump: ‘Israel’-Iran ceasefire now in effect, please don’t violate it

What will reality be when I get up in my morning?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 24 2025 6:42 utc | 784

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 6:39 utc | 832
I’ll gladly cook for you or take you to to legit joint of your choice, if you’re ever in Texas, Arch – or anyone else. Calm down. It’s a welcome respite and bedtime for “westerers” and work time for Euros.
Let’s all hope that Santa brings us news of Zionists being destroyed in each of our mornings.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 6:46 utc | 785

The shah revealed that it wasnt retribution against Israel that caused OPEC’s oil price chock but it was an open request by the US!
It was a part of the coming petrodollar deal.
petergrfstrm | Jun 24 2025 6:34 utc | 829
Yep.
The Alaska pipeline had been held up for several years due to environmental challenges in the courts. To resolve this problem, the Americans had a word to the Saudi’s. Fuel prices going through the roof and very long waits and ques at the bowsers for a short time.
With that a bill was easily pushed through legislating against in court challenges to the pipeline.
Problem solved.
Up until young bone saw and dad, the Saudis had always been the Americans loyal accomplice in crime. The creation of islamic extremism along with many other things. Saudi intel agents meeting with and paying the 9/11 pilots. The money trail leading to saidi Arabia before the FBI were called off.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 6:46 utc | 786

Here lies BBC, Sky, Fox and CNN. Dead from starvation of “likes and subscribes”.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 5:39 utc
Suicide from the moment they decided to become propaganda machines and to stop employing real journalists and sub-editors and to refuse to do research and investigation to create stories.
Citizen journalism, good, bad, ridiculous, is now the way of it and any media which does not return to the best of journalistic practice will not survive.

Posted by: rosross | Jun 24 2025 6:46 utc | 787

So, I was a cook at Philmont in college. Philmont is a massive Boy Scout Camp in Cimmarron NM near Taos. We were mostly cooking frozen salsbury steaks, dried mashed potatoes and frozen peas and carrots type cafeteria food for maybe 750 people most meals.
Anyway, fed up with dehydrated potatoes, we added butter, milk, salt and black pepper. But the Midwest kids from Iowa (and such) would complain about the “spicy food”. We cooks were from all over the US and we’re floored. But, that prompted an idea.
The Palestinians could easily get rid of the Ashkenazi will nothing more than Harissa. The Sephardic and Mizrahi won’t mind, just the Eastern Europeans. They’re not suited to the Mediterranean diet

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 6:47 utc | 788

Pequin are awesome. Just don’t encounter them much in regular person cuisine. Some MX food restaurants incorporate them into salsas tho.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 6:48 utc | 789

They must be really really desperate to try something as stupid as this.

Posted by: janet | Jun 24 2025 5:51 utc |
It is all theatre, of the absurd, but to prevent the loss of the really important lives, Americans and Israelis and to push, so they hope, the Iranians to move ahead with developing nuclear weapons so they have an excuse to destroy it. This is just preparation, laying the groundwork for the total destruction of Iran.
If the Iranians are smart they will refuse a ceasefire and bomb the shit out of the Shitraelis and see how well it works for Trump getting American boots on the ground to stop them.

Posted by: rosross | Jun 24 2025 6:49 utc | 790

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 24 2025 6:34 utc | 829
Thanks Peter, I’ll try to get this books as it looks to be a very interesting read.
I checked on Amazon what people think. Here are two reviews,
“Reviewed in the United States on September 20, 2018
Format: Paperback
Finally a book that is not afraid to spit the truth. Just like we will never prove the CIA and the military establishment conspired to eliminate JFK in a coup d’etat, we will also never prove the fact that the CIA and the British were behind the removal of the SHAH of Iran in 1979.
In 1976 when Carter was elected one of his administration’s primary goals was to remove the SHAH by the end of his term. That was top priority.
Here are the main reasons:
1. OIL: Many Americans do not realize that in 1976 America was under severe economic pressure and losing an economic battle to OPEC. Oil prices in America were at an all time high and gas stations had lines for miles due to oil shortages and high oil prices. This daily transfer of wealth from the West to the Middle East was considered a serious national security threat and was blamed almost entirely on the Shah’s economic policies.
2. The cold war : The US wanted a fanatically religious Iranian government to support the Afghanistan rebels once their plan to force the Russians to invade Afghanistan took effect
3. Nuclear power: The SHAH was actively working to make IRAN nuclear capable and the US was actively ensuring this would never happen under any circumstances
4. Balance of Power: US and British foreign policy agenda has always been a maintenance of a balance of power, meaning no nation should ever become strong and independent. This is why the NSA and MI6 supported an extremist religious government instead of the Shah, because this would send Iran into the Middle Ages and ensure it would be just another 3rd world country. To make this more understandable, imagine reversing the roles.
No book better helps explain how all these were achieved by the underhanded removal of the Shah in what is truly the most devious, deceitful back stabbing act of treachery ever inflicted upon a nation. Mr. Dreyfuss is a highly intelligent writer and is not afraid to tell the truth of what really happened in 1979. Don’t miss on this one !”
“5.0 out of 5 stars British Intelligence Role in Mideast Radicalism Exposed
Reviewed in the United States on October 19, 2007
Format: Paperback
If you have not read this book you do not really know much of importance about the origins of terrorism and how the seemingly endless conflicts in the Middle East came about. It did not start in ‘Biblical times’ as is often asserted but in colonial times–with the emphasis on British colonial manipulations.
At the time this book was written it was a ground-breaking look at how completely Middle East politics has been run as a British colonial plantation with dumb Americans chiming in as geopolitical scapegoats for several post-FDR decades. It rings true today more than 25 years later as the Dick Cheney beats the drums for a British-inspired tune entitled ‘Nuke Iran.'”

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 6:49 utc | 791

The Orange King’s greatness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjvR0uYfTCc

Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 6:50 utc | 792

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 6:47 utc | 838
Or a good spicy Ras el hanout. But the ziorats have probably already coopted that too and Whole Foods sells it like the hummus they also stole.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 6:53 utc | 793

those timelines don’t all merge. still sloppy BS. Brezenski’s Afghan gambit came late in his term.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 6:54 utc | 794

The way this is shaping up, I’ll become religious and start praying Iran will hit every food shop and every kitchen in Texas with hypersonic missiles…..

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 6:56 utc | 795

The way this is shaping up, I’ll become religious and start praying Iran will hit every food shop and every kitchen in Texas with hypersonic missiles…..
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 6:56 utc | 846
Add those dirty scumbag Aussies and Brits and let’s all cheer it on except for the outback. Those people kill themselves too quickly anyway.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 6:58 utc | 796

if we’re bombing restaurants let’s focus on the UK where they boil pizza

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 7:00 utc | 797

PeterAU1 – did I mention I’ll be in Darwin then RAAF Tindal soon? Should I take precautions against saltwater crocs? Like a big Bowie knife?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 7:00 utc | 798

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 6:46 utc | 836
Ha, very interesting.
Same Kabuki as with the Patriot Act.
The collecting of DNA of ALL newborns is another sneaky move.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/jun/20/all-babies-in-england-to-get-dna-test-to-assess-risk-of-diseases-within-10-years
https://www.newsweek.com/2014/08/01/whos-keeping-your-data-safe-dna-banks-261136.html
https://texaslawreview.org/americas-hidden-national-dna-database/
It’s all for our good health, my a$$.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2025 7:01 utc | 799

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1937399098484654220
“The conclusion is painful and bitter. Instead of unconditional surrender, the world is entering into difficult and exhausting negotiations, while the regime in Iran has no intention of conceding—not on uranium enrichment on Iranian soil, nor on the production and supply of ballistic missiles, nor on support and funding in the region and the world.
A ceasefire without a clear and decisive agreement will undoubtedly lead us to a new war within two or three years, under far worse conditions.“
— Former War Minister and leader of the “Israelis Our Home” party, Knesset member Avigdor Lieberman

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 7:02 utc | 800