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June 23, 2025
Proliferation, Retaliation, And Other Consequences Of The War On Iran

There are several aspects of the U.S. and Israeli attacks on nuclear facilities that deserve further discussions:

  • Non-proliferation issues
  • Retaliation by Iran
  • Consequences of unlawful behavior

Before the U.S. and Israeli strikes on its nuclear facilities Iran was a long standing member of the Treaty for the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The IAEA, tasked with verifying the adherence to the NPT, was able to inspect Iranian facilities. It knew, down to the milligram, how much enriched Uranian Iran had produced and where it was stored.

Western intelligence services as well as the IAEA did not only confirm that Iran had no nuclear weapons. They confirmed that Iran did not even have a nuclear weapon program. There were no plans to produce any weapons.

All that is now in doubt.

The NPT's objective was to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology and to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. The second part was the reason why non-nuclear nations have joined the treaty.

The U.S. demand that Iran should stop all enrichment of Uranium, as needed for civilian nuclear reactors, and the attack on Iran's peaceful nuclear facilities make it obvious that Iran is getting deprived of all the positive elements the NPT had promised. There are also serious concerns that the IAEA has leaked the names of Iranian nuclear scientists to Israel which in the end led to their assassinations.

From Iran's side a continuation of its membership in the NPT and any cooperation with the IAEA have lost their purpose. There is no longer any reason to stay within the agreement. Iran is likely to leave the NPT.

That does mean, and does not make it more likely, that Iran will start to produce nuclear weapons. There are principal, religiously bound reasons why it has so far refrained from doing so. Those have not changed.

Iran has said that it had moved all enriched Uranium from its Fordow enrichment site shortly before the U.S. strike on the installation:

A senior Iranian source claimed to Reuters that before the U.S. attack on the Fordow nuclear facility last night (Sunday), all of the stock of enriched uranium at the site was transferred to another location.

At the same time, satellite images captured a large convoy moving near the underground nuclear facility two days before the attack. It is believed that this may be documentation of the transfer of the enriched material.

Some 400 kilogram of Uranium, enriched to 60% of U-235 isotopes needed for fission chain reactions, were squirreled away. The IAEA does not know where they are. Iran also still has a sufficient numbers of its most modern centrifuges needed for further enrichment. It can produced more if it needs those. Iran also has several other bunkers, similar to the Fordow and Natanz sites, which were build and equipped to eventually house additional enrichment facilities. Those sites are not (yet) known to the IAEA and have never been inspected.

I do expect that Iran will leave the NPT. It will 'go dark' about its nuclear program. It will not announce where it will do what with the nuclear material it has. The IAEA will no longer be allowed to have knowledge of it. This will make Iran a 'latent' nuclear weapon state even while it refrains from having a nuclear weapon.

Some might argue that Iran will not do that as it would make further U.S. attacks on it more likely.

Hello? The U.S. has just attacked Iran without ANY cause. It is likely to do so again, independent of whether Iran stays with the NPT rules or not.

Being a 'latent' nuclear weapon state constitutes an additional deterrence. The longer Iran stays in that state, the higher the risk for any attacker to be countered by nuclear means.

The attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities were not done to prevent it from getting nuclear weapons. The attacks are to provoke a violent response which can then be used to launch an all out war with the end-purpose of regime change in Iran.

[The Israeli government launched its attacks on Iran under the operation name 'Rising Lion'.

The flag on the left is the flag of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The flag on the right, depicting a lion in front of the rising sun, is the flag of Iran under the former dictatorship of the Shah. The U.S. and Israel are currently promoting the son of the deposed Shah of Iran as the future leader of the country. 'Rising Lion' was and is thus an obvious reference to a regime change operation in Iran.]

There is however no easy way to regime change Iran. The Iranian society is largely standing behind its government. That government is well established and seen as legitimate. It does not depend on one person. Even the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is easily replaceable. The regular military is counterbalanced with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. This makes a military coup plot untenable.

Unless there is a large scale foreign land invasion, supported by this or that minority in Iran, there is no chance to topple the Islamic Republic. The U.S. no longer has the Cold-War army that would potentially be able to do such.

Iran is likely to take additional measures in revenge for the attack on its nuclear facilities. It may well launch a symbolic strike against one U.S. base in the Gulf. But it is unlikely to do an all out attack on all U.S. assets in the Gulf region. That is still an option but it will be reserved for later.

Any measures taken now in response to the attacks on its nuclear facilities will likely by designed to NOT give the U.S. a pretext for additional attacks on Iran.

The main enemy of Iran is still Israel. Iran has established an attritional war against it. Daily attacks by drones and medium range missiles against Israel are designed to deplete its air defenses. Only after that is done will the strikes get more serious. Israel depends on air defenses manufactured and provided by the U.S. Their production is limited and it depends on the availability of rare materials. China is currently withholding rare earth licenses from U.S. weapon producers. This will further decrease the availability of air defense items.

Israel knows that it can not sustain an attritional war with Iran:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday said that Israel aims to avoid a "war of attrition" with Iran, the Times of Israel reported.

"We won't pursue our actions beyond what is needed to achieve [the goals], but we also won't finish too soon," Netanyahu was quoted as saying.

It is not for Netanyahoo to decide when the current war ends. (Just like it is not for Zelenski to decide when there will be a ceasefire in Ukraine.) Israel is already in a war of attrition. Iran will continue to wage it.

Iran will, as said, avoid a direct war with the U.S. military as long as it can. But it will implement measures that will squeeze the U.S. as best as it can. It is likely to close the Strait of Hormuz for all energy transports that are destined to reach countries which support its enemies. Transports to China, India and global south countries will continue. U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, and the U.S. itself, will suffer. Oil prices will increase – at least for those who oppose Iran.

To implement that does not even require openly hostile measures. Loud announcements, plus a few explosions next to tankers going from the Gulf towards Rotterdam, is all that is needed to deprive any such transports of insurance. The global 'free' markets create the consequences.

When the price of oil reaches above $100 per barrel the U.S. economy will move into a recession. During the midterm election the Republican party will lose the majority in the House and Senate. Trump will become a lame duck.

Trump attacked Iran without even an attempt to provide a sound reasoning. There was no false flag incident or any serious argument of weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. attacked Iran simply because it could do so.

Trump is thereby not only in breach of the U.S. constitution, which requires Congress to declare a war. The U.S. war of aggression against Iran is also a breach of the U.S. Charter. Its attacks on civil nuclear installations is a breach of the Additional Protocols of the Geneva Convention which prohibits these.

We are now in a new world disorder:

The first major consequence, in broader terms, is that this strike dealt a final, irreparable blow to what little remained of the post-war international legal and institutional framework. That order was already in tatters — shredded by a year and a half of Western-backed genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. But this latest attack makes it official: Western powers no longer feel the need to cloak their actions in legality, morality or even the façade of diplomatic legitimacy.

Today, even that pretense is gone. In Gaza, and now with the strikes on Iran, the gloves are fully off. What we’re witnessing is a regression to a kind of global lawlessness — a “might makes right” free-for-all where nothing is off limits: not the mass slaughter of civilians, not the bombing of nuclear sites, not even the complete sidelining of international institutions.

That the U.S. is doing this, with open support of its European proxies, is not only a danger for the international system but also for the domestic population of these countries:

This isn’t only a threat to international security. It’s also a profound threat to what little freedoms we still have left within the West itself. Make no mistake: the Western ruling classes’ open embrace of Mafia-style gangsterism abroad also means that they will have no qualms about brushing aside whatever ethical, legal, constitutional and democratic constrains that still stand in the way of their desperate, hallucinatory bid to preserve the crumbling order.

We have already seen this in the illegitimate suppression of protests against the genocide in Gaza. It will proliferate from there. The West is, slowly but accelerating, sliding from a 'rule of law' status into the darkness of unbound fascism. It is on us to prevent that.

Comments

If I’m Iran I’m calling Russia tomorrow about S-400s and North Korea about fast tracking weaponization of Uranium.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 24 2025 2:40 utc | 601

Two videos…high altitude interceptor and missile re-entry
https://t.me/Sohaibpress/109673
https://t.me/Sohaibpress/109653
Later.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 24 2025 2:41 utc | 602

Posted by: Stine | Jun 24 2025 2:38 utc | 621
This is the summary of everything so far.

Posted by: Elber | Jun 24 2025 2:41 utc | 603

I’m here now. AND LET’S TALK war, military strategy… but first, talk of peace, living better.
I’m building the components of New Jerusalem, as I am apt to do. It will have a court, to implement the final judgements. Those who are instigating the evil will be punished. I administer the Prison called Hell. Yes, I have the keys. APROPOS.
How much more do you need to know, at the get-go? You’ve all been informed and warned. Be careful what you say, speak Truth.
If you would like to do an exercise in discussion, let’s begin with your invitation to support my projects. All denominations and congregations must pay, their tithes are now my tithes. There’s a Gofundme and a eBay auction, etc. PEACE!
Next, you’ll want to discuss this war aspect of the Armageddon. The big War started in the Lunar cycle of March 24 to April 23 2020. Five years later, we now enter the HOT middle phase of this war to end all wars.
What is this Israel? In name only. I was not a Yew, I was the response to that Society-gone-crazy. Again, we have a crazy plutarchy from the Money changers of London… colonizing a base in the petrol producing region. Who want to rebuild a Temple, exoterically, in regular religious form, yet they already have a Temple. It’s called the Federal Reserve. Follow the money, it’s not real money. It’s fiat, without any gold backing.
Who stands to gain from all this bombing and bluster in the propaganda MSM? that’s one of the main evils, perhaps. Or don’t you want to know who’s evil?
It’s where Sports are a metaphor. Which team are you cheering? Iran team, Sunni team, Catholic team… tag team.
There’s only one side to join. Only one winner, after the smoke clears.

Posted by: JesusChrist Official | Jun 24 2025 2:42 utc | 604

@LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 23:11 utc | 408
Yes I am sorry, wrong space. Was in a hurry and didn´t know where else to post among the newer threads.

Posted by: AG | Jun 24 2025 2:42 utc | 605

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 24 2025 2:35 utc | 617
Only a Jewish Nazi sociopath would say “LOL” to the extrajudicial assassination of physicists or other scientists.
IOW half the Ashkenazi population of the world.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 2:42 utc | 606

Sirens sound across northern Israel as more missiles spotted in the sky
Footage from Press TV
“>https://x.com/RT_com/status/1937340149152772194

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 2:42 utc | 607

LOL… Maybe Israel just stopping killing Iranian nuclear scientists would be okay with Iran.
Posted by: ed4 | Jun 24 2025 2:35 utc | 617
I’m sure it would but there’s no way to tell.
israel says:
“Sure man, we’ll stop killing your scientists. Tell them it’s ok to come out now”
Iran:
“Ok guys, its safe. Bring your families lets have a picnic”
israel:
BLAM!
Iran:
“F— me! We had a deal!?”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 2:43 utc | 608

Norwegian posted the most important thing today. All the Arab countries said that they were against the Iranian response. All the Arab countries are against Iran.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 2:34 utc | 615
1. The Norwegians are the like the Arabs, morally corrupt.
2. Who cares what the Arabs say. Irrelevant.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jun 24 2025 2:43 utc | 609

Posted by: AG | Jun 24 2025 2:42 utc | 629
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While this conflict is hot all of the other discussion areas will be quite silent.
The weekly or “open” thread is usually good for “involved” questions.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 2:45 utc | 610

Jesus Christ Official, Eternal life or triple your money back, Praise Bob and the Church of the Subgenius. Rev. Bob fixed my car. .Keep the slack

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 2:47 utc | 611

While Mossad and CIA operatives run rampant in the streets of Teheran nobody can be assured of a ceasefire.
To conclude a formal ceasefire, israel would have to submit the identities of all infiltrators who will then need to surrender themselves to the state.
Since that will never happen, a ceasefire is not possible since every terrorist attack from within can only be remedied by a punitive attack on israel.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 2:26 utc | 613
Well if Putin is calling the shots then Iran will just have to accept such terrorism and like it. The Russians are living with it already.
Hopefully the IRGC ignore the ceasefire. Iranian moderates should no longer have a say in anything.

Posted by: EoinW | Jun 24 2025 2:48 utc | 612

Mark Levin is calling for Khamenei’s execution as the “Supreme Nazi”.
Americans are a lost cause. Ali Khamenei is a wise and gentle grandfather type.
Levin is a Jew, you know the guys who “killed” Christ.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 2:50 utc | 613

oh Dork, you project and know so. little. Didn’t mean either, dork, dirk, but I’ll leave it, dork

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 2:50 utc | 614

The CLOWN prince Pahlavi, his wife, and his wife’s boyfriend.

photos
https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1937127304947515528
Juan Guido (Reza Pahlavi) likes to watch.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 2:54 utc | 615

Well if Putin is calling the shots then Iran will just have to accept such terrorism and like it.
Posted by: EoinW | Jun 24 2025 2:48 utc | 636
1. Putin is not calling the shots. The IRGC is.
2. Putin abbhors terrorism. It goes right back to the beslan and Moscow theatre incidents. Crocus hall more recently. He wouldn’t tolerate it anywhere.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 2:54 utc | 616

@ thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:06 utc | 270
oh.. now i get it.. so long as no american people or troops get killed/murdered – everything is fine.. if you are anything else – lord help you.. be prepared to get slaughtered and just live with it… i am putting you on ignore permanently… an apology for your stupid response back @ 198 would be more acceptable, but of course you being american – you don’t apologize…
——- i was out most of the day…
@ watcher | Jun 23 2025 23:29 utc | 421
john helmer discussed raisi’s death and i tend to agree his view… their is an internal conflict within iran and more likely to do with a power shift inside, as opposed to cia-mi6 – mossad involvement… i am probably in a minority in seeing it more this way.. but i think it also explains why russia has not given iran the support it would like – because the leadership in iran is unstable…
this would also explain why usa-israel think they have a chance for regime change here…
we’ll see..

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2025 2:54 utc | 617

One of the funniest things happening right now is all the Americans congratulating everyone on the end of the war and going to sleep. … Only for Iran to rain down on Israel right as they’re entering their deep sleep phase and being completely unresponsive. xD https://nitter.poast.org/DD_Geopolitics/status/1937342820014260507
Shout out to DD Geopolitics though. That guy is either a trooper or not in the Americas.
A personal confession: on a number of occations in the war already, I thought there would be no responses or no hits. Only for a response/hit to arrive a few hours later. So, right now, I’ll wait *at least* 24 hours before I call anything as over or done.

Posted by: rert | Jun 24 2025 2:56 utc | 618

You miss-spelt false flag
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 24 2025 2:17 utc | 600
Missile alerts in this war even at this phase are not the type of “false flag” that would be deployed if Israel/US wanted an “excuse” to ramp things up.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 2:48 utc | 637
Scott has a pretty darn good point, actually. The Gulf and ME monarchies like Oman, Qatar, KSA, Jordan, etc. are veritable police states. The Arab “street” as they say is surveilled and dissent is clamped down through intimidation, arbitrary legal treatment, violence and other measures. It’s no coincidence that those same measures have been, and are, being adopted in the Collective Waste including the USA. After all, the monarchies have outsourced their surveillance, police training and tactics to US and Isra-helli firms. The same western countries ply the unpopular leadership with the weaponry they use to suppress their masses. So it’s no coincidence that this shit has come back to us here in the US with the stigmatization of criticizing our Israeli betters and “antisemitism” becoming a state crime. Our social media is surveilled to make sure we don’t say anything mean about the Zionists, and travelers, intl’ students and immigrants are screened for their loyalty not to the USA, but Isra-hell. I guess what I’m getting at is that just as it doesn’t really matter what the Arab “street” thinks (and they do support Palestine and by extension Iran in this war), it doesn’t matter what the American “street” thinks either, even of about half of it is dumbed down and made to think Israel is blessed by “God”.
SO to your earlier question? WTF do we do about it? Or can we do about it? Good question – if the solution is going to ‘take’ it probably won’t be pleasant, though.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 2:58 utc | 619

Thanks Mel
I have a question. Yesterday I read that the President of Iran had resigned. Was that fake news?

Posted by: Watcher | Jun 24 2025 2:58 utc | 620

Posted by: rert | Jun 24 2025 2:56 utc | 644
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DDGeopolitics is a team. That’s how they work 24 hours constantly.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 2:58 utc | 621

Ever notice that nobody on any of these Western web sites ever does anything to organize? We are satisfied to just bitch and bitch and moan. No action, no organization, just bitching.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 2:18 utc | 601
Why do you think are those websites still up? To enable people to vent their anger instead of taking it to the streets…

Posted by: Zet | Jun 24 2025 2:59 utc | 622

I have a question. Yesterday I read that the President of Iran had resigned. Was that fake news?
Posted by: Watcher | Jun 24 2025 2:58 utc | 646
Yes.

Posted by: rert | Jun 24 2025 2:59 utc | 623

R2R: After Iran Attacks US Military Base, Trump Claims That A Ceasefire Deal Has Been Struck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGcKKVTrxCE
“Everything is evolving super quickly. What Israeli officials had to say…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 2:59 utc | 624

@IranGate | Tue, 24 Jun 2025 00:40:00 GMT | 506
Look who’s here.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 24 2025 3:00 utc | 625

nuclear deterrence is back on the menu lads
lets fucking go
we will achieve true world peace ehen every country is capable of nuking each other

Posted by: shadowloser | Jun 24 2025 3:00 utc | 626

…… All the Arab countries are against Iran.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 2:34 utc | 615
What went largely unnoticed in Trump’s first term, was the work done by Jared (and others of course, but “SonInLaw of USA-President Trump” was the title to open the door)..
Jared got the Arab countries to sign the Abraham Accords. > Along with countries like Azerbaijan…
That the Arab countries are condemning Iran for its hit on US bases in Qatar, is a direct outcome response required under their Abraham Accord agreements.
The zioborg is slicing Iran like a salami… thin wafer by thin wafer by thicker wafer.
Under the Abraham Accords they have a surrounding curtailing regional coalition in place in opposition to Iran.
They’re succeeded in removing Raisi and his grouping.
They have assets and sleeper cells embedded across the country and in other countries ready to roll..
They have 5th columnists inside Iran ready to roll for a Tehran-Maiden.
This is a decades long project with a dozen pinch points and funnels in place.
Israel took a bloody nose this round. But they won’t quit. They’ll cry for a ceasefire. And then, at a time and place of their choosing, they’ll kick off again.
It took them close to 50years to get Ukraine to self immolate against Russia.
Iran is a project with a similar timeline.
If Russia and China don’t really step in a decisive meaningful way now… Russia may as well just hand over the codes to the oreshniks, keys to the Kremlin; and China can forget Taiwan.
Both can expect to be inevitably dismembered into constituent ethno-principalities, such as Kosovo or Kuwait or any of the dozens of inconsequential countries sawn away from a bigger and thus “threatening” nation.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:00 utc | 627

A 7-story building was leveled in Beersheba.

photo
https://x.com/intelFromBrian/status/1937342599037088226

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:00 utc | 628

God dang, could you imagine the freakouts from MAGA if the Great Obomber had posted shit like this?
https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGuLT3RdaUAAlk9p.png
OTOH, I’m sure plenty of Obamabots would have happily amplified it. But the Trump phenomenon has reached full cult status.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:01 utc | 629

Levin is a Jew, you know the guys who “killed” Christ.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 2:50 utc | 638
The proper slur is “Christ-killer,” you silly broad. Then again, it’s mostly the Nick Fuentes and Hal Turner types who say that. So that’s your preferred audience.
I have to admit, Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro are even worse than the former.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 24 2025 3:02 utc | 630

@the pessimist

The smoke is so thick I think I’m starting to hallucinate. What planet is this?

Earth, planet of the night crawlers.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 24 2025 3:03 utc | 631

A 7-story building was leveled in Beersheba.
photo
https://x.com/intelFromBrian/status/1937342599037088226
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:00 utc | 654
Was it a steel-framed building? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:03 utc | 632

we will achieve true world peace ehen every country person is capable of nuking each other
Posted by: shadowloser | Jun 24 2025 3:00 utc | 652
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FTFY
The ANCAP dream. Personal thermonuclear defense.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:03 utc | 633

DDGeopolitics is a team. That’s how they work 24 hours constantly.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 2:58 utc | 647
Oh, that makes sense!
BTW, my favorite poster is now Tomas Keith. https://nitter.poast.org/iwasnevrhere_ I don’t know if he’s serious or not, if he’s sucking his data out of AI or if he’s really that smart. I don’t know if he’s a science fiction writer or serviceman, but whatever he is, he’s *really* entertaining and reenchanting. For “reechantment of the world”, see https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-reenchantment-of-the-world I think Keith is doing it right, regardless if his knowledge is fake or real.

Posted by: rert | Jun 24 2025 3:03 utc | 634

rert,
Thanks for your daily summaries.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 3:04 utc | 635

James
I agree. The government of Iran was very unstable.
This I know as I recently shared a home with a rampantly pro sha Iranian.
I was shocked. Seemed to speak for many of the young.

Posted by: Watcher | Jun 24 2025 3:04 utc | 636

FTFY
The ANCAP dream. Personal thermonuclear defense.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:03 utc | 659
I’m all for it. Gimme!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:06 utc | 637

A 7-story building was leveled in Beersheba.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:00 utc | 654
1 slightly wounded geriatric.
I swear 90% of israel is just empty apartment blocks and carparks.
A Potemkin promised land …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:08 utc | 638

Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 3:04 utc | 661
I was replying to two people (including you) in a single comment. You should re-read it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:08 utc | 639

whats the over/under on how many nukes are required to fully deter every country? whats the stockpile look like? i need betting odds.

Posted by: shadowloser | Jun 24 2025 3:09 utc | 640

james | Jun 24 2025 2:54 utc | 642
There was slight differences between the so called hardliners and moderates, other differences same as occurs in any normal society. From what have seen come out of Iran on social media, with the initial Israeli strikes, those differences were put aside.
Iran could only have survived this long since the revolution, alone in the world, without being overall very united internally. Now and since the signing of the nuke deal, Iran has two major partners in Russia and China.
I doubt there is much chance of them falling apart internally now

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 3:10 utc | 641

I agree. The government of Iran was very unstable.
This I know as I recently shared a home with a rampantly pro sha Iranian.
I was shocked. Seemed to speak for many of the young.
Posted by: Watcher | Jun 24 2025 3:04 utc | 663
REALLY? A pro-Shah expat Iranian says the Government of Iran was very unstable?
Is that not like a staunch Democrat who thought Kamala should win saying the Trump Government is unstable and he is a nut case?
Nothing unites a people, regardless, as unprovoked aggression from another State. Lots of Americans hate Trump but if someone bombed the US, I would be prepared to bet all Americans would unite against the enemy. Why would Iranians be any different?
And if the Iranian Government was so weak, how did it manage to restore its capacity within hours and launch targeted attacks on Israel, the aggressor? Doesn’t sound weak.

Posted by: rosross | Jun 24 2025 3:10 utc | 642

rert | Jun 24 2025 3:03 utc | 660
BTW, my favorite poster is now Tomas Keith
Yep. And yep.
Was it a steel-framed building? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:03 utc | 658
Second time you’re earned 🥃🥃

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:11 utc | 643

The announcement by Trump was straight after the Iranian meeting with Putin.
Who won?
Isreal successfully destroyed AD.
Iran, excuse to ditch IAEA and NPT. Dismantled Mossad network, learned response to future sabotage operations, no more “liberal” pivot to the West as per early SMO, the means to target UK, France and Germany economically by selective blockage of Hormuz Yemeni style and finally identifying real friends who jumped in and who sat this one out.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 24 2025 3:12 utc | 644

🚨 Third launch: “Head to shelters immediately”

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1937347400563048760

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:13 utc | 645

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:11 utc | 670
Just after I hit “Post” I wished I had said something about the missile’s passport being found on the street undamaged. >smacks self in head<

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:14 utc | 646

@ Watcher | Jun 24 2025 3:04 utc | 663
is it still unstable?? i think it is..
@ Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 3:10 utc | 668
yes, since this attack the differences have definitely been put aside, but not sure where the power in iran lies at the moment.. i think russia and china want to help iran, but it is tricky if their is a power conflict at the top.. for me it is just an open question at this point.. i don’t know and i don’t want to appear to be falling back on what i’ve gotten from helmer as my only cause for concern.. it is impossible to know what is happening inside iran in this regard, but yes – the public is very supportive of iran leadership at this moment..

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2025 3:14 utc | 647

@James who said: ” but i think it also explains why russia has not given iran the support it would like – because the leadership in iran is unstable…”.
Yup. That’s how it was. My sense is that’s not nearly how it is now. My guess is that, in particular, Putin is waiting for clarity and coherence to be demonstrated, and that will enable Russia to do way more. I think that was the core dialog between Putin and Abbas Araghchi. “Here’s what’s different now. Is this sufficient basis for closer cooperation?”.
I think it’s already moving in the direction of way-more. War tends to prune the political bush pretty fast. I heard rumors that Masoud Pezeshkian (Iran’s president) had tendered his resignation. Whether that actually happened or not, it’s clear that there’s motivation to consider a change in top leadership. I’m not sure Pezeshkian has what it takes to pilot Iran at this moment, any more than Netanyahu is what’s best for Israel.
=== About the cease-fire. Maybe it’ll happen, but whether it does or not is less relevant. What’s relevant is how fast the Iranians and the Israelis adapt to and overcome their weaknesses.
What are the core problems, what’s it take to cope with them, and then who can execute first-est and best-est?
=== Keeping the eye on the ball:
The over-arching goal of the have-nots (and oppressed have-nots) is to effect:
a. More equitable distribution of resources
b. More effective allocation of those resources to ends that benefit the most the best
c. Squashing down the Chosen people (of all stripes, and there’s plenty of stripes)
d. Building up the capacity of the many such that they can live good lives
So to do that, Monsters have to get squashed. That’s what this is: Little People taking on the Monsters. Someone else said here at the Bar before, and I’ll repeat it here: the Iranians and the Palestinians are carrying the freight for humanity right now. We owe them our gratitude.
Someone else asked “how come we just sit around and pontificate? Why don’t we organize and act?”
Start with yourself. What can you to do, as a Lilliputian (little person) to help defeat the Monster, or better yet, to help build up the (momentarily) weak? What can _you_ do, starting tomorrow, to get that job done?

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 24 2025 3:14 utc | 648

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 2:40 utc | 624
Looks like rote boilerplate to me

Posted by: Laurence | Jun 24 2025 3:15 utc | 649

Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:08 utc | 665
Has been a major exodus to an egyptian airport just across the border. I guess with the accuracy of modern maps, they no longer require moses to lead the way.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 3:15 utc | 650

if someone bombed the US, I would be prepared to bet all Americans would unite against the enemy.
Posted by: rosross | Jun 24 2025 3:10 utc | 669
Israel “bombed” the US in 2001 and we ended up destroying Afghanistan and Iraq in response.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:15 utc | 651

Thanks to Donald J. Trump we achieved INTERNATIONAL PEACE! Its a beautiful thing, fols. LOVE, and PROSPERITY will REIGN over this beautiful WORLD.

Posted by: shadowloser | Jun 24 2025 3:15 utc | 652

A Zionist woman cries as her house is destroyed:
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/21005
They are all Palestinians now.
The karmic wheel is turning, as it always does, the faster you spin it the sooner it turns upon you.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:16 utc | 653

watcher, lol, you need a different perspective, those people are very, very much in the minority.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 3:16 utc | 654

Israel,Iran and oil longs losses. By the way other truce orchestrated by President Trump holding in India Pak,there is hope for this one.
My apologies for trying to comment on
President Trump’s actions. Very difficult without inside information.

Posted by: Michael J | Jun 24 2025 3:17 utc | 655

—❗️🇮🇷/🇮🇱 BREAKING: New launches from Iran against Central and Southern Israel

Notice of affected locations
https://x.com/angeloinchina/status/1937348080761995689

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:17 utc | 656

shadowloser | Jun 24 2025 3:09 utc | 667
Taking a chance you’re not fking shadowbanned.
But. >… How many nukes does Best Korea have?
That seems to be about the right number to say FAFO to the U$…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:18 utc | 657

WE HAVE PEACE FOLS IGNORE THE AA FIRE FROM IRAN AND BOMBS LEVELING BUILDINGS IN ISRAEL
TRUMP 2028

Posted by: shadowloser | Jun 24 2025 3:18 utc | 658

“Turn up the volume”
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43820
I did, and I heard the world’s tiniest violin.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:18 utc | 659

guess with the accuracy of modern maps, they no longer require moses to lead the way.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 3:15 utc | 678
Back to new Paharoah’s arms to build a modern pyramid.
Al Sisi smiles in the shadows and thinks of profits.
The tales we tell about ourselves eventually become true in parody and farce.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:19 utc | 660

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:15 utc | 679
######
The irony is that you destroyed yourselves like the Zionists did on Oct 8th.
It’s hard to stay cool but it is usually the right move.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:19 utc | 661

Moment of impact in Beersheba.
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43822

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:20 utc | 662

I have nothing to add, but I’d like to express that I have no idea what the hell is happening any more.
Just a howl into the void.

Posted by: Clem_Fandango | Jun 24 2025 3:21 utc | 663

I swear 90% of israel is just empty apartment blocks and carparks.
A Potemkin promised land …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:08 utc | 665
Think 9/11… some people got a call not to go to work that fateful Monday morning….
*Some* people very likely knew this shit was about to kick off… and went on summer vacay.
Others knew nothing…and are just on vacay.
And the useless eaters are now denied exit from their open air prison….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:21 utc | 664

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:19 utc | 689
Sorry but you don’t get to to play the alliance-less, country-less, free to criticize everyone-except-his-own-country-because-he-never-says-what-that-country-is commentator. It’s highly bothersome. Tell us what country YOU live in, please or refrain from comments like that.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:22 utc | 665

Bayesian statistics in action: https://nitter.poast.org/ArmchairW/status/1937346057970548787
Nobody views the world impartially, from a position of perfect rationality. Instead, everybody has a prior. That’s your previously held beliefs and convictions. Then, new evidence becomes available. This new evidence is evaluated in light of the prior and this evaluation causes an adjustment of beliefs. Important! The adjustment of beliefs depends not only on the new evidence, but also on the prior!
So, the “resistance-sphere twitterverse” held the prior of “it’s just a little dustup, everybody wants to return to business”. And when the news hit of a ceasefire, especially the news Iranian FM effectively confirming the ceasefire, they came to the conclusion the war is over. And now that new evidence presents itself, they adjust their beliefs to “oh, actually, I misunderstood the time of the start of the ceasefire”. They still expect the ceasefire to go into effect.
I, on the other hand, held the prior “USA (Hegemony) and Iran (RoW) are locked in a fight to the death”, and so when I heard the news of the ceasefire, I discounted it. When I heard of the Iranian FM “confirming” the ceasefire, I wasn’t particularly moved although the weight of the consensus (social proof) pressed me really hard. So when new evidence presented itself, I adjusted my belief to “LOLOL, told you!”. Even though I never told anyone. <_< More info on why additional information causes a rift in beliefs: https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/54283/

Posted by: rert | Jun 24 2025 3:22 utc | 666

what’s with this cease fire shit?
how is that good for the Palestinians?

Posted by: drinky crow | Jun 24 2025 3:22 utc | 667

I guess with the accuracy of modern maps, they no longer require moses to lead the way.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 3:15 utc | 678
🍺or 🥃Good to see you in these threads.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:23 utc | 668

Iran hitting Israel after the US stock market closed is kind of funny, you gotta admit.

Posted by: shadowloser | Jun 24 2025 3:26 utc | 669

how is that good for the Palestinians?
Posted by: drinky crow | Jun 24 2025 3:22 utc | 695
The who?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:27 utc | 670

Surprised that Netanyahu caved so quickly.
Those 10s of thousands of IDF reservists voting with their feet….

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 3:29 utc | 671

Who wants to bet money Iran continues to pepper Israel through out the day to make it perfectly clear a ceasefire is off the table?

Posted by: shadowloser | Jun 24 2025 3:29 utc | 672

Israel “bombed” the US in 2001 and we ended up destroying Afghanistan and Iraq in response.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:15 utc | 679
Yeah. But the USA *was* United… it was mockingbird calumny that you guys (and we joined in all too happily) got sicced onto the wrong targets.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:29 utc | 673

Iran hitting Israel after the US stock market closed is kind of funny, you gotta admit.
Posted by: shadowloser | Jun 24 2025 3:26 utc | 698
“I’m ded.” (As Gen Z likes to say)
Trump is going to be livid. Orange Man Red.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:30 utc | 674

it’s funny following WW3 from this rudimentary blog, it reminds me of this earliest computer games that where all text. Hell, in my day they put these wars on the TV. Stereos too have really degenerated from what we had back in the day.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 3:31 utc | 675

I suspect that when looking down the barrel of an Oreshnik and other next gen Russian toys, even the Americans might be amendable to various suggestions.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 2:21 utc | 604
_____
For sure, but Iran has no such toys, and if Russia has threatened to use such toys on the Zionazis, let alone tge Americans, we wouldn’t know about it.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2025 3:32 utc | 676

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:22 utc | 693
#######
No.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:34 utc | 677

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:22 utc | 693
H/t ……a scrollbar can be the most useful part of your keyboard…
You can’t stop him posting shit. But you can stop reading.
And definitely no replying.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:34 utc | 678

Anyone have an idea who lived in that building in Beersheba? So far 8 dead, dozens missing, many more injured. Special ordnance specific to destruction of urban structures used. Seems a high value target.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:34 utc | 679

how long does it take to set up AD systems? much talk of Russia, but China has knockoff/alternatives and there was those Cargo planes from China. How long does it take to set up and train, and how different would a Chinese system from the Russian?

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 24 2025 3:36 utc | 680

Ouch:

Israeli media: The government told us that a ceasefire had been established, we returned to our homes, and then the Iranians bombed us.

Netanyahu is a dead man walking.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:36 utc | 681

No.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 24 2025 3:34 utc | 707
LOL. Then I’m sure you have absolutely nothing to hide. /sarc

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:38 utc | 682

Netanyahu is a dead man walking.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:36 utc | 711
Arch, come on. This is why they make zombie movies. Instead of “28 Weeks Later”, NuttyYahoo’s autobiography is titled “28 Years Later” – the man is an animated corpse made of Teflon. He rules over a sick, depraved society modeled on the Collective Waste in which accountability does not exist for the elites and their puppets. He’ll be retiring in luxurious comfort to the south of Spain or France within 5 years if he doesn’t spark the end of civilization on Earth first. And yes, the Spanish or French government will let him do so unmolested.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:42 utc | 683

RE: “heard rumors that Masoud Pezeshkian (Iran’s president) had tendered his resignation”.
The “rumours” originated with Hal retard Turner.
It’s been days now since he farted that onto his airwaves. No resignation. No comment from official Iran sources.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:45 utc | 684

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:45 utc | 715
Yeah I almost fell for that crap last night. No idea how, but I got linked to Hal Turner’s “blog” and he was pushing the bullshit complete with an “official” Iranian government document on Farsi letterhead. LOL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:47 utc | 685

Grin. On the theme of ‘Where IS Waldo?”
Where is the Iranian enriched u?
At least before, they knew where, but now?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jun 24 2025 3:49 utc | 686

If you guys can tear yourselves away from attacking one another can anyone kindly give me a decent round up of wtf is going on? Is there a ceasefire or not? A 5 bullet point summary of key things to know (not IMHO speculation) would be much appreciated.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 24 2025 3:50 utc | 687

The Russian weapons systems, the current US regime pulling US out of the war on Russia, Rubio stating this is now a multi-polar world.
Wars revolve around US domestic politics. Political theater in the US Iran mutual strikes. Theater rather than real war to satisfy US domestic politics? The strike on the Syrian airbase during the first Trump regime. Theater. The US political trash then proclaim Trump very ‘presidential’.
Winston Churchill: ‘Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.’
Something similar going on for us spectators as we watch this theater being played out, but it may well be the face of a power struggle going on between powerful factions inside the US.
Or then again it could be just the farce displayed by a collapsing empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2025 3:51 utc | 688

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:42 utc | 713
It’s different this time, I promise. He done f’d up good.
In other news:
10 minutes to the ceasefire. I’m sure the israelis will “take the W” and let it rest there ….

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 3:51 utc | 689

Some Thomas Keith to add something salient to the conversation.: tweets…
1hr Ceasefire announced, but the maps say otherwise. From Upper Galilee to Be’er Sheva, the grid went red. Tzofar and Red Alert lit up.
1hr Red Alert grid shows synchronized saturation from the Lebanese border to the Negev, north and south lighting up in tandem
1hr Trump’s out here narrating a peace deal while the maps look like a live burn-through. Sirens echo across Israel, Iran thanks its armed forces, and the grid hums under saturation
1hr 7-story building reportedly hit in Be’er Sheba – Hebrew media. Strike landed deep. Urban, multi-level
1 hr The aftermath points to a Fateh-class SRBM, likely a Zolfaghar or Dezful variant. High-explosive warhead, precision-guided, deep penetration.
1hr This was a tactical-grade missile designed to breach urban structures. The debris, blast contour, and impact signature all align
25m Multiple killed, injured, and trapped under rubble in Beersheba (Bir al-Sabaʿ) after a direct Iranian missile strike.
Now they cry on camera, suddenly fluent in grief. But Gaza’s screams never made it past their checkpoints.
This is what balance sounds like when it finally echoes
2m Now they’re scrambling to censor the craters, Haifa, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem all locked behind blackout protocol after Be’er Sheba’s footage slipped through.
https://nitter.net/iwasnevrhere_

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:53 utc | 690

In October after the last round of tit-for-tat calmed down; Teheran MFA posted this cryptic message (from memory):

3 power plants
2 refineries
1 airport

The tally so far after 12 days:
(3) Power Plants

Hadera 2.56GW✅
 (1 month to repair)
Ashkelon 2.25GW
✅ (1 month to repair)
Mt. Carmel (Haifa) 1.02GW✅
(2) Refineries

Haifa ✅

Ashdod ✅
(1) Airport
Lod (Ben Gurion) – abandoned
In addition
Port of Haifa ✅
Port of Ashdod ✅
Port of Eilat – abandoned

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2025 3:56 utc | 691

Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 3:47 utc | 717
MOA Arch has told us before sometime in the distant past, but that’s not important to me. Since we’re playing ‘Show ‘n Tell’ there’s only one Arch that I have a preference as to where he lives. And that’s Austin, TX baby. \m/ Hook’em.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 3:57 utc | 692

“Cessation of hostilities is considered more formal than a truce, but unlike a cease-fire, it is nonbinding.”
I’m not sure where on this scale the conflict is currently, probably more than a truce.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Jun 24 2025 3:58 utc | 693

Patroklos | Jun 24 2025 3:50 utc | 719
Use the Thomas Keith link for some of the best reporting
Re ceasefire. Trump tried his let’s fool em again tactic and “negotiated” a ceasefire.
The Iranians.. being at least as smart as the family dog, went nah, seen that trick before… and.. another building just got flattened….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 3:59 utc | 694

[Middle East Spectator] While Iran still has tens of thousands of ballistic missiles and hundreds of launchers, that’s not the issue at all. The issue is, due to total Israeli air superiority, no large-scale missile attack could be staged without receiving an immediate preemptive strike from the enemy. The moment Iran takes the launchers out of the underground base, Israel detects this, and strikes with impunity.

Hm. We know from the Gulf war that “Scud hunting” with air assets ain’t easy, and Iran is a much more difficult terrain because you can hide in the valleys. Also due to the distances involved, the IDF air force alone probably has little or no chance to keep up combat air patrols over the country, AD or no AD.
So either the US air fleet is involved over Iran, or the Scud hunting these days works very differently than back then. The only thing I can imagine which would be able to pull this off is automated ISR, likely from space, which is quick and reliable enough to vector a reduced number of CAP flights/standoff weapons towards the launchers.
There is another point: It seems that “shoot and scoot” wouldn’t take a lot longer for a pack of launchers than it does for a few.
Any opinions from the bar?

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 24 2025 3:59 utc | 695

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 24 2025 3:50 utc | 719
What’s the last thing you knew, or thought you knew, for certain? Because the fog is thick as is the bullshit emanating from the Orange American Idiot.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:00 utc | 696

13 dead confirmed in Beersheba alone at the moment. Numerous injuries, numerous people still in the rubble of a single building.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:04 utc | 697

Dirk | Jun 24 2025 3:56 utc | 724
someone will come along in no time and tell you exactly what is going on they want you to believe

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 24 2025 4:04 utc | 698

Nobody knows where Arch lives either.
Posted by: Dirk | Jun 24 2025 3:47 utc | 717
And I ain’t tellin’. Don’t want none of y’all sus niggers sniffin’ around my trailer.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 24 2025 4:08 utc | 699

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 24 2025 3:59 utc | 728
I posted the whole ME Spectator statement from which you excerpted. I suppose you got it from my comment, but even if not, at the time I had not picked it apart.
I think it’s largely bullshit without him providing more specificity. There is absolutely zero truth to the idea that Israel had any air superiority over Tehran or any other major city 200km east of the Iranian western borderlands at any point during this conflict. So while he does limit his commentary to certain regions of the country, it’s still sufficiently vague in terms of both distance from the border(s) and tactical/technical information to assign a lot of credibility to his commentary/analysis without some backing data.
Hence, I take his entire thesis with a big grain of salt. He has no idea why the Iranians have agreed to a ceasefire, if in fact one actually holds. He presents no hard numbers and has only shown limited Israel-sourced vids of Iranian AD systems being taken out – all without meaningful timestamps.
I get that he’s purporting to be – probably even genuinely so – objective, but after having had some time to digest it, I think he’s speculating wildly and likely getting several things right by the stopped clock principle.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 24 2025 4:09 utc | 700