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June 23, 2025
Proliferation, Retaliation, And Other Consequences Of The War On Iran

There are several aspects of the U.S. and Israeli attacks on nuclear facilities that deserve further discussions:

  • Non-proliferation issues
  • Retaliation by Iran
  • Consequences of unlawful behavior

Before the U.S. and Israeli strikes on its nuclear facilities Iran was a long standing member of the Treaty for the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The IAEA, tasked with verifying the adherence to the NPT, was able to inspect Iranian facilities. It knew, down to the milligram, how much enriched Uranian Iran had produced and where it was stored.

Western intelligence services as well as the IAEA did not only confirm that Iran had no nuclear weapons. They confirmed that Iran did not even have a nuclear weapon program. There were no plans to produce any weapons.

All that is now in doubt.

The NPT's objective was to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology and to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. The second part was the reason why non-nuclear nations have joined the treaty.

The U.S. demand that Iran should stop all enrichment of Uranium, as needed for civilian nuclear reactors, and the attack on Iran's peaceful nuclear facilities make it obvious that Iran is getting deprived of all the positive elements the NPT had promised. There are also serious concerns that the IAEA has leaked the names of Iranian nuclear scientists to Israel which in the end led to their assassinations.

From Iran's side a continuation of its membership in the NPT and any cooperation with the IAEA have lost their purpose. There is no longer any reason to stay within the agreement. Iran is likely to leave the NPT.

That does mean, and does not make it more likely, that Iran will start to produce nuclear weapons. There are principal, religiously bound reasons why it has so far refrained from doing so. Those have not changed.

Iran has said that it had moved all enriched Uranium from its Fordow enrichment site shortly before the U.S. strike on the installation:

A senior Iranian source claimed to Reuters that before the U.S. attack on the Fordow nuclear facility last night (Sunday), all of the stock of enriched uranium at the site was transferred to another location.

At the same time, satellite images captured a large convoy moving near the underground nuclear facility two days before the attack. It is believed that this may be documentation of the transfer of the enriched material.

Some 400 kilogram of Uranium, enriched to 60% of U-235 isotopes needed for fission chain reactions, were squirreled away. The IAEA does not know where they are. Iran also still has a sufficient numbers of its most modern centrifuges needed for further enrichment. It can produced more if it needs those. Iran also has several other bunkers, similar to the Fordow and Natanz sites, which were build and equipped to eventually house additional enrichment facilities. Those sites are not (yet) known to the IAEA and have never been inspected.

I do expect that Iran will leave the NPT. It will 'go dark' about its nuclear program. It will not announce where it will do what with the nuclear material it has. The IAEA will no longer be allowed to have knowledge of it. This will make Iran a 'latent' nuclear weapon state even while it refrains from having a nuclear weapon.

Some might argue that Iran will not do that as it would make further U.S. attacks on it more likely.

Hello? The U.S. has just attacked Iran without ANY cause. It is likely to do so again, independent of whether Iran stays with the NPT rules or not.

Being a 'latent' nuclear weapon state constitutes an additional deterrence. The longer Iran stays in that state, the higher the risk for any attacker to be countered by nuclear means.

The attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities were not done to prevent it from getting nuclear weapons. The attacks are to provoke a violent response which can then be used to launch an all out war with the end-purpose of regime change in Iran.

[The Israeli government launched its attacks on Iran under the operation name 'Rising Lion'.

The flag on the left is the flag of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The flag on the right, depicting a lion in front of the rising sun, is the flag of Iran under the former dictatorship of the Shah. The U.S. and Israel are currently promoting the son of the deposed Shah of Iran as the future leader of the country. 'Rising Lion' was and is thus an obvious reference to a regime change operation in Iran.]

There is however no easy way to regime change Iran. The Iranian society is largely standing behind its government. That government is well established and seen as legitimate. It does not depend on one person. Even the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is easily replaceable. The regular military is counterbalanced with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. This makes a military coup plot untenable.

Unless there is a large scale foreign land invasion, supported by this or that minority in Iran, there is no chance to topple the Islamic Republic. The U.S. no longer has the Cold-War army that would potentially be able to do such.

Iran is likely to take additional measures in revenge for the attack on its nuclear facilities. It may well launch a symbolic strike against one U.S. base in the Gulf. But it is unlikely to do an all out attack on all U.S. assets in the Gulf region. That is still an option but it will be reserved for later.

Any measures taken now in response to the attacks on its nuclear facilities will likely by designed to NOT give the U.S. a pretext for additional attacks on Iran.

The main enemy of Iran is still Israel. Iran has established an attritional war against it. Daily attacks by drones and medium range missiles against Israel are designed to deplete its air defenses. Only after that is done will the strikes get more serious. Israel depends on air defenses manufactured and provided by the U.S. Their production is limited and it depends on the availability of rare materials. China is currently withholding rare earth licenses from U.S. weapon producers. This will further decrease the availability of air defense items.

Israel knows that it can not sustain an attritional war with Iran:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday said that Israel aims to avoid a "war of attrition" with Iran, the Times of Israel reported.

"We won't pursue our actions beyond what is needed to achieve [the goals], but we also won't finish too soon," Netanyahu was quoted as saying.

It is not for Netanyahoo to decide when the current war ends. (Just like it is not for Zelenski to decide when there will be a ceasefire in Ukraine.) Israel is already in a war of attrition. Iran will continue to wage it.

Iran will, as said, avoid a direct war with the U.S. military as long as it can. But it will implement measures that will squeeze the U.S. as best as it can. It is likely to close the Strait of Hormuz for all energy transports that are destined to reach countries which support its enemies. Transports to China, India and global south countries will continue. U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, and the U.S. itself, will suffer. Oil prices will increase – at least for those who oppose Iran.

To implement that does not even require openly hostile measures. Loud announcements, plus a few explosions next to tankers going from the Gulf towards Rotterdam, is all that is needed to deprive any such transports of insurance. The global 'free' markets create the consequences.

When the price of oil reaches above $100 per barrel the U.S. economy will move into a recession. During the midterm election the Republican party will lose the majority in the House and Senate. Trump will become a lame duck.

Trump attacked Iran without even an attempt to provide a sound reasoning. There was no false flag incident or any serious argument of weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. attacked Iran simply because it could do so.

Trump is thereby not only in breach of the U.S. constitution, which requires Congress to declare a war. The U.S. war of aggression against Iran is also a breach of the U.S. Charter. Its attacks on civil nuclear installations is a breach of the Additional Protocols of the Geneva Convention which prohibits these.

We are now in a new world disorder:

The first major consequence, in broader terms, is that this strike dealt a final, irreparable blow to what little remained of the post-war international legal and institutional framework. That order was already in tatters — shredded by a year and a half of Western-backed genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. But this latest attack makes it official: Western powers no longer feel the need to cloak their actions in legality, morality or even the façade of diplomatic legitimacy.

Today, even that pretense is gone. In Gaza, and now with the strikes on Iran, the gloves are fully off. What we’re witnessing is a regression to a kind of global lawlessness — a “might makes right” free-for-all where nothing is off limits: not the mass slaughter of civilians, not the bombing of nuclear sites, not even the complete sidelining of international institutions.

That the U.S. is doing this, with open support of its European proxies, is not only a danger for the international system but also for the domestic population of these countries:

This isn’t only a threat to international security. It’s also a profound threat to what little freedoms we still have left within the West itself. Make no mistake: the Western ruling classes’ open embrace of Mafia-style gangsterism abroad also means that they will have no qualms about brushing aside whatever ethical, legal, constitutional and democratic constrains that still stand in the way of their desperate, hallucinatory bid to preserve the crumbling order.

We have already seen this in the illegitimate suppression of protests against the genocide in Gaza. It will proliferate from there. The West is, slowly but accelerating, sliding from a 'rule of law' status into the darkness of unbound fascism. It is on us to prevent that.

Comments

Israel news confirms power outage in the south. Slight escalation or maybe a brush-back pitch. Doesn’t sound like the power plant got hit.
https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/06/23/power-outages-reported-following-barrage-on-israel/

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 20:39 utc | 301

Let’s step back and look at what the facts are.
Iran has not killed Americans (yet).
Trump has chickened out, again, with the requisite chest beating.
The Fatwa is still on; closing the Straits is still possible.
Iran will strike its Arab neighbors.
Trump is still talking about regime change.
Israel continues to be disciplined.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 20:41 utc | 302

Regarding plans for the late Shah’s son:
The attempt of some admirers of royalty to promote the late Shah’s son Reza (b. 1960) to become shah under a restored monarchy is really a silly complete non-starter. First of all, it is not an agreed upon idea in policy circles either in the US or Israel, because even those circles have some persons with more consciousness than, say, a log. The absent monarchy has almost zero popularity in Iran, even if some of the comprador class, usually elderly, might say, “Things were better in the old days.” It has about as much hope of a restoration the Savoy dynasty in Italy, or the Hohenzollerns in Germany.
That said, those were at least dynasties of genuine longstanding in their day, whom their subjects were used to, whether they liked or respected them or not. The parvenu “Pahlavis” of Iran, who made up their dynastic name to sound royal, only started with the current Reza’s grandfather Reza Khan in 1925, when he deposed the absent shah Ahmad of the Qajar Dynasty. Reza Khan was nothing but the army commander, no nobility, nothing. Reza Khan was really a military dictator who managed to disguise himself as shah for 16 years, during which he tried to be a very feeble imitation of Mustafa Kemal of Turkey. When Reza Khan was deposed by the British in 1941, his son Muhammad was put on the throne, but only as a figurehead. When the Allied occupation ended in 1946, Iran was ruled by the parliament for seven years, until the CIA brought Muhammad to power in the coup of 1953, after which he was able to stay in power for 25 and a half years, until his overthrow in 1979.
So the total time the “Pahlavis” were actually in power was barely 41 years, not much of a dynasty. When Muhammad was born in 1919, he was only the son of a general, not even a prince. Some royalty! The fakeness of the “Pahlavis” as royalty undermines their claims even more.
Also, the current Reza would never agree to the breakup of Iran, as some neocons and Israelis want. So obviously no one is taking his candidacy seriously, nor should they. Maybe France should bring back one of the two current Napoleonic claimants to the emperorship of France. Sheesh!

Posted by: Cabe | Jun 23 2025 20:42 utc | 303

Trump thanking Iran for warnings given before the attack on the US base. The fix is in, US pounds sand, declares victory and goes home and Iran plays along. Now we will see if Iran stops hitting Israel or keeps up the pressure to further weaken it. Netanyahu now has a conundrum.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jun 23 2025 20:42 utc | 304

Regarding the John helmer quoting of sepahinews’ posting of dissatisfaction with the level of support from their friends/allies: the brief searching I did came up with an official and well-established website for sepah news which seems to be the official organ of the irgc. There is an associated telegram channel similarly called sepahnews.
Please note the channel helmer quotes is sepahinews (with an > i < in the middle. Seems pretty likely to be an imposter channel created for propaganda purposes. While i do read helmer regularly, i take him with a grain of salt as a common theme of his writing is the attempt to sow discord between friends and allies like china-Russia, Russia-Iran, etc. We can see this theme constantly with the trolls in the comments of all our favourite blogs and I’m sure it’s a top-three tactic in the astro-turf troll handbook.

Posted by: Dedpenguin | Jun 23 2025 20:43 utc | 305

So go ahead and call me a concern troll….
Posted by: ctiger | Jun 23 2025 19:58 utc | 258
Most called like that here were proven to be correct after a few months, a year.
So far Iran seems to have no solution for plane attacks but there are also a lot of planes at the same time. Russia was failing against 2 planes and a few drones at the same time and attacks did not even happen often. A nothing compared to the numbers used against Iran but conveniently forgotten by the talking heads of youtube

Posted by: rk | Jun 23 2025 20:44 utc | 306

That would odd because that’s the ‘deal’ more or less that had already been brokered by Wikcoff (or was damn near close), that the US backed bailed from suddenly in the final week before all this kicked off with their ‘nah fk it we changed our mind no-enrichment period’ stunt from the US? One has to ask wtf is the point of this then – which I’ve been asking since he tore up the jcpoa, but I digress. If you were DJT and actually going to say no to bibi for once, he could have just done it 2 weeks ago and announced the deal, without all destruction and death, and if bibi was gonna go off half cocked there after, just leave him to wallow in it and defend himself, no need to participate at all, other then maybe supply some interceptors and do just enough to claim ‘helping’ to keep TheLobby at bay, but not assist, or refuel etc, like they are atm with strikes. So they must be after more than than what you mention imho.
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 20:27 utc | 285


One main difference. Trump can now claim he “destroyed” Iran’s bomb making abilities. As far as saying “no” to Netty, he’s saying “yes” to Netty. Israel is getting destroyed. On top of that MAGA is imploding and the markets are watching closely. There’s pressure on Trump to end this ASAP. The Money Men seem to know something as markets haven’t crashed.
It all hinges on the two nutter Amalek talmud psycho parties in the governing coalition. IF the Ben G’vir rant against the Mossad dude is legit (questionable), then we could see a deal this week.
I’d like to see Iran erase Israel and end the Gazacaust, but Iran’s response to the US attack and the markets point to a deal.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 20:44 utc | 307

A curious business all round; for 30-odd years Netanyahu has been piping up about Iran being days/weeks/months away from a viable nuclear weapon, yet now Trump claims to have obliterated such a capability, so where does that leave Netanyahu now?
And now, rumours are circulating that some 400kg of enriched uranium was moved out before the attacks… are these rumours a get-out clause for Netanyahu to resume his claims?
Who, exactly, is gaslighting who here?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 23 2025 20:45 utc | 308

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 20:49 utc | 309

If Israhell stops the attacks you know Bibi is gone.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:49 utc | 310

please stop entertaining this troll

Posted by: ld | Jun 23 2025 20:49 utc | 311

There is one confirmed impact at Al-Udeid which caused ‘limited damage’ but no casualties.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20932
Reuters: Trump’s approval rating drops to 41 percent
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43730

Not that anyone should really trust a reuters poll, just passing it along.
Trump goes to cope mode after reports by multiple sources including Israelis that Fordow site is not destroyed. (picture of his latest TS post )
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43731

Alarm siren activated at the US Consulate in Erbil (about an hour old now; maybe false alarm)
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43732

The nojba movement – A message to the remaining wise people in America, that this Zionist doll trump will write the end of your country.
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43733
(pic of message in Arabic from Islamic Resistance Al-Nujaba movement) Iraqi if I recall.

Iran is celebrating its victory with the strikes on the American base in Qatar. (2 vids of images from iran of celebrations in the street… no idea if this is tonight or from another night)
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/170108

(couple hours old but didn’t see it mentioned b4)
-Iran said one of the missiles hit the IDF’s Northern Command headquarters in the morning attack,
while Israel said it had struck the IRGC headquarters in Tehran.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/170105
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/170103

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 20:50 utc | 312

Perhaps some folks were betting on oil to the moon, now realising it ain’t happening.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 23 2025 20:52 utc | 313

If Israhell stops the attacks you know Bibi is gone.
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:49 utc | 310
Punishment needs to be so definitive that those psychopaths will not want to return there.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 20:53 utc | 314

Two sources involved in talks told The Atlantic…
Posted by: Jo | Jun 23 2025 20:38 utc | 297
Two unnamed sources…
The Atlantic…
Maybe you should learn to identify the lies by the liars, their methods and operations…

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jun 23 2025 20:54 utc | 315

I don’t think Iran accepts a ceasefire without resolving the Palestinian question. Maybe that’s too maximalist but I don’t think Iran takes a deal for less

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 20:57 utc | 316

Morocco even hosts Zionazi soldiers on its soil.
turkey and the dog Erdogan
🇪🇬 Egypt: Called the strike a violation of Qatari sovereignty and international law. Urged de-escalation and ceasefire.
🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia: Said the attack violated neighborly principles and was unjustifiable.
🇯🇴 Jordan: Labeled it Iranian “aggression” against Qatar.
🇧🇭 Bahrain: Expressed full support for Qatar.
🇵🇸 Palestinian Authority (the human mucus Mahmoud Abas): Called the strike a blatant violation of Qatar’s sovereignty.
slowly slowly we are seeing a coalition of the willing donmeh followers of sabattai zvi and job frank.
the children of satan little helpers for is not real hell hell the city of London and Wall Street and the rise of hitler and the bolshevik revolutions.
Oded Yinon grows every day.
the gay saunas swimming pools are all still open across the kosher homo lands.
where is. the water and electrics coming from..
remember the rotten shields B I S bank was around during ww2

Posted by: dan | Jun 23 2025 20:59 utc | 317

Has martial law been declared in Israel yet? Just in case Netanyahu wants to pull a Zelensky and evade elections…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 23 2025 20:59 utc | 318

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 16:27 utc | 5
Posted by: thomas j cahill |
It’s unbelievable at this point the number of hopes you are jumping through to try and make Trump a hero around this. Or that he is playing 10D chess.
As for Gilbert Doctrow, I even predicted how he would play it days in advance. It’s unbelievable to me that you didn’t even see that bullshit coming from him.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 23 2025 21:05 utc | 319

Trump: Iran launched 14 missiles toward Doha
Qatar: Only 7
Israel: 6
Iran: 6 hit their targets
Someone miscalculated… 🤡

https://x.com/SprinterObserve/status/1937254280722817356
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A new American scandal follows the leaked scandals from Tel Aviv!
US air defenses in Qatar failed to intercept Iranian missiles, and a video documented the moment a Patriot missile fell to the ground immediately after being launched!

https://x.com/SprinterObserve/status/1937254370845794560

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 21:07 utc | 320

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 23 2025 20:59 utc | 318
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1 or 2 days ago, IIRC

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 21:08 utc | 321

It’s unbelievable at this point the number of hopes you are jumping through to try and make Trump a hero around this. Or that he is playing 10D chess.
As for Gilbert Doctrow, I even predicted how he would play it days in advance. It’s unbelievable to me that you didn’t even see that bullshit coming from him.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 23 2025 21:05 utc | 319
I heard last call, Enjoy the rest of the day.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 21:09 utc | 322

One thing Putin will make clear to Iran I think is stay in the NPT. Play by the rules. He is a lawyer after all.
The very last thing Putin needs is to give the West an opportunity to spin and manipulate a way to give Ukraine a nuke.
Iran cannot open a Pandoras box that would lead down that path. I thought it was a bit reckless by Medvedev to openly suggest that other countries are now willing to give Iran a nuke. For all the same reasons.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 23 2025 21:15 utc | 323

B “Some 400 kilogram of Uranium, enriched to 60% of U-235 isotopes needed for fission chain reactions, were squirreled away. ”
B if you cannot provide any provable evidence to support this claim you are as bad as Nuttyyahoo and Trumpet. FFS keep to real evidence or piss off with your imaginings.

Posted by: Butties | Jun 23 2025 21:18 utc | 324

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 21:07 utc | 320
Thanks for the video, sad we don’t get to see the launch to know it’s just not a ‘what goes up must come down’ thing.
I don’t think it’s a new scandal that one out of like 30-40 (idk just making it up based on number of incoming) mim-104’s failed\went screwy? Given we’ve seen it in Ukr and Isr on the semi-regular, kinda seems par for the course for every 30 (making up the number) or so interceptors.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 21:19 utc | 325

watch the Clive Owen movie the international
all sides are run by the bankers..
remember the 1970s computer game space invaders little dots moving across a black screen
come on chumps. what was those things over Qatar night sky.
who needs a billion dollar ufo operation blue beam with space ship simulations
when fireworks space invaders costs pennies
khazhar plato cave productions
Oded Yinon is already here slaves

Posted by: dan | Jun 23 2025 21:20 utc | 326

Sun, I’m just expressing the only hopeful outcome, I’m no fan of Trump, but what I described is available to him. I’m watching with clear eyes. Do you claim to know what’s gonna happen? My predictions are looking as good as anyone’s, but it doesn’t matter, gotta watch with clear eyes

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 21:23 utc | 327

..end the Gazacaust, but Iran’s response to the US attack and the markets point to a deal.
Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 20:44 utc | 307

A deal with the US. Not necessarily a deal with Israel.

I don’t think Iran accepts a ceasefire without resolving the Palestinian question. Maybe that’s too maximalist but I don’t think Iran takes a deal for less
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 20:57 utc | 316

I don’t think that Iran can force this without defeating Israel. That’s either going to take Hezbollah ground forces or a very long bombing campaign. Also, I suspect that Israel will nuke Iran and Lebanon before it accepts defeat.
That said, I agree. This is one of those immovable object vs irresistible force questions that have been so common with the death throws of the west. In the near term I expect the fighting to continue. In the long term I expect that Israel* will cease to exist. The medium term? No clue, not the faintest idea how this plays out.
*The nation state of Israel, not the Jews as a religion or ethnicity. But unfortunately, for at least a couple of generations the Jews of the world are going to bear the stigma of the Palestinian genocide and other crimes of Israel, the sins of the father and whatnot.

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 23 2025 21:24 utc | 328

@ LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 21:08 utc | 321
Not sure how effective it will be, if that is the case, not when civilians openly heckle the military: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/23/1460905.html

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 23 2025 21:25 utc | 329

I dont know how people can sleep in Kiev. Those drones sounds like stuka dive bombers, and with the wail of the sirens and the smoke blanketing large parts of the city, almost surreal
Video from today.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/133021

Posted by: Bill B | Jun 23 2025 21:25 utc | 330

death *throes*

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 23 2025 21:26 utc | 331

you can’t exit the NPT until you have a working bomb and a viable delivery system and the ability to conduct a verifiable test (or two). Premature exit is a red flag to the bull.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 23 2025 21:30 utc | 332

Bill B | Jun 23 2025 21:25 utc | 330
It’s extremely stressful. Everyone is sick of it, but no one knows haw to make it stop. They vent at Russia, Z man, or both.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 23 2025 21:32 utc | 333

“31 May 2025
The IAEA said that as of May 17, Iran had amassed 408.6kg (900.8 pounds) of uranium enriched up to 60 percent” AJZ

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 23 2025 21:32 utc | 334

Weird, a video from the attack on Al-Udeid seems to show at least a few impacts, or maybe it’s just perspective 🤔
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20934 (15sec video)

/me shruggs indeterminate, does seems like 2-3 at least made it to horizon though.
Israel has threatened to attack district 7 within Tehran, a very dense civilian populated area
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20935

Another Israeli UAV has been shot down over Iran, likely a Hermes-900 again
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20933

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 21:33 utc | 335

Bill B, that was posted a few days back

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 21:33 utc | 336

All of that was teatrical, the bomb of Fordo and the iranian response.
The americans represented much better their role in the farce, they made almost a Top Gun 3.0 with this performance with the big B2 bombers, the computer simulations of the attack and Trumo sorrounded by their vassals informing about the attack and saying “God bless Israel” at the end, all very hollywood-esque
The iranian part of the farce was made with much less interest, they send a dozen or so of old and slow missiles, informing hours or days in advance, and after the attack an obscure brigadier of the IRGC informed about it, all very “soft” and dissapointing. A serie B movie.
I think the AIPAC are starting to think that something is rotten in Denmark

Posted by: Dave F | Jun 23 2025 21:37 utc | 337

https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1937189434610581805
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
In my opinion of simple observer, Iran should fire hundreds of Missiles at Nevatim Air Base (israel) instead of Al Udeid (Qatar).
The real threat comes from Nevatim, striking Al Udeid is a good symbolic .. but Nevatim is the most important target.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1937194680011358513
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
Donald Trump has approved war plans and could potentially cause significant damage to Iran if he decides to proceed. However, Iran has numerous surprises and is expected to respond gradually, likely making the United States regret initiating a conflict when there was no direct attack or threat to American lives.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 21:39 utc | 338

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 21:09 utc | 322
I also predicted over the weekend that the right-wing ideologues and Kissengerarians would use this to unbelievably claim that Trump is backstabbing Netanyahu and is on Iran’s side to try and isolate Israel to bring him to heel.
I thought that would be at the end of the week. But that complete utter bullshit by crack addicts who clearly live on magic mushrooms has already started.
I’ve even explained their long term strategy of why they create these fairy tales to circumvent reality and the truth.
A truth that is painted an inch from everybody’s face that right wing populism is a con and only fools fell for it.
The absolute truth is right wing populist peace through strength is peace on American terms ( see Iran for details you can’t miss it ). Protection of the American rules based order.
Why the Kissengerarians attempts to draw Russia closer and isolate China will fail.
Buy hey, the right wing ideologues, they will continue to believe the fairy tales and that this fat fascist fuck is a chess master, because they were stupid enough to vote for Trump and now can’t live with themselves. So project fantasies on to others. Due to their inability to look in a mirror and take a good long hard look at themselves.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 23 2025 21:39 utc | 339

Gaza:
https://t.me/NewsPs0/195921
For others…
“There’s a severe water crisis in the displacement camps in Khan Younis.
There’s neither fresh nor salty water due to fuel shortages at desalination plants,
even though the number of displaced people in Khan Younis and Rafah exceeds 700,000”

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 23 2025 21:43 utc | 340

Trump thanks Iran for giving warning…..
“In societies where modern conditions of production prevail, all of life presents itself as an immense accumulation of spectacles. Everything that was directly lived has moved away into a representation.”
― Guy Debord

Posted by: Harbin | Jun 23 2025 21:44 utc | 341

🔘 This is Paula White, Trump’s spiritual advisor.
She claims that she told him God wants him to run for president, but that there would be a ‘price’ to pay for it. She also believes that Christians should learn from Jews, not try to convert them. For the record, she considers herself a Christian…
Do you still have questions about why things in the Middle East are the way they are?

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/43188

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 21:49 utc | 342

@ Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 21:33 utc | 336
Ah, I didn’t know that. The date shown was today 23 Jun. It does suggest AD consists of a heavy machine gun, and not much else afaics.

Posted by: Bill B | Jun 23 2025 21:50 utc | 343

see the 31-second video at the first link
see the images at the second link
see the 25-second video at the third/fourth link
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1937167759105822903
Seyed Mohammad Marandi @s_m_marandi
An F-35 downed by Iran’s air defenses
https://x.com/Pataramesh/status/1937222479581209037
Patarames @Pataramesh
Trump initiated the show attack “Operation Midnight Hammer”, failing to take out the 🇮🇷 Fordow ☢️site
Iran responded by the equally “very successful” attack against 🇺🇸 main CENTCOM airbase, failing to cause anything of importance
I don’t like such shows, but here we are…
———-
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1937223657744662652
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal
Israel is junketing in degenerate podcasters to advise Zionist youth on getting away with genocide
https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1937099372342169674
Abier @abierkhatib
Destiny’s advice to Israeli soldiers on his Hasbara tour :
people don’t like seeing your war crimes, don’t film ur selves in women outfit, just put your fking camera away and have fun
Wut a clusterfuck !!!

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 21:54 utc | 344

Who, exactly, is gaslighting whom?
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 23 2025 20:45 utc | 308
Isn’t it awesome? At what time in history have so many been privy to internal deliberations, if only informed speculation?
And it’s not just the ability to access information, but also the general laissiz faire attitude regarding dissent.
Up until just a few hundred years ago, bar flies would be literally burnt at the stake for voicing any hint of opposition. Even 50-60 years ago could land you in jail or taken on a helicopter ride.
Which, taken in context suggests it might be trap; palantir et al certainly have everyone’s number.

Posted by: Markw | Jun 23 2025 21:55 utc | 345

171 jonboinAR. Link says ‘ video unavailable.’

Posted by: Lavieja | Jun 23 2025 21:58 utc | 346

Thanks b.
Apologies to all for not reading the comments yet (currently at 300+) so someone else might have already made this point.
Iran’s symbolic attack on the US base in Qatar is final warning to the Arabs.
You’re next. Note, Oman immediately blamed Israel as root cause. All countries including Turkey are now soiling their pants.
I hope this is followed up with regime change in Jordan, after all it’s not regime change when the country is handed back to Jordanians?
Issit?

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 23 2025 21:59 utc | 347

It’s a long way not only to Tipparary, but to wisdom

Posted by: gesders | Jun 23 2025 22:01 utc | 348

I looked at the “photos” of the Fordow damage.
The six “possible bomb entry points” are a physical impossibility.
The morons who photoshopped these have no knowledge of physics/mechanics at all.
I guess the idea of this Jew deception is to get Iran to attack the US “without the US attacking Iran first”.
They must be really desperate to try something as stupid as this.

Posted by: janet | Jun 23 2025 22:03 utc | 349

Iran should take out the air base/bases that is home for the israeli drones that constantly fly over Gaza.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 23 2025 22:03 utc | 350

In the past thought Qatar and Iran were often aligned on many issues.
Perhaps the Iranian attack was desired by Qatar in order to remove US troops from it’s territory. Now Qatar needs a way to keep the US troops from returning. Which country is next?

Posted by: Thurl | Jun 23 2025 22:03 utc | 351

Good to see Iran finally getting it’s priorities straight, much more effective to blow up symbolic enemy bases in third party countries than actually attacking the enemy on its own soil……seems like the IRA has taken over Iranian war planning, maybe they tweet or text it in, phone calls being so passe these days…..
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 23 2025 22:03 utc | 352

These theories that the loudmouthed new yorker is threading the needle, faking everybody out with secret clandestine deals, including the beloved ones are hard to believe. When the Shahid Bolsen video came out a year ago it got a lot of play around here. It was referred to as “the video”. He makes a very strong case that we’ve got this backwards. Who’s the dog? Who’s the tail? I don’t know but here’s “the video”. If you haven’t seen it at the very least it is thought provoking and I leave the possibility he is right WIDE OPEN.
Shahid Bolsen sends a message to Israelis | Reclaiming Jewish Identity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBumTNZvVvk

Posted by: chunga | Jun 23 2025 22:03 utc | 353

Not so far from Teheran?

Posted by: gesders | Jun 23 2025 22:04 utc | 354

The Qatari government has to answer to its citizens now about the US base.
Up until now, it hasn’t been in the public consciousness.
The number of hits and the amount of losses aren’t the psychological effects.
Look at the bigger picture. America looks much weaker in West Asia after the Iranian attack. Americans are relieved that Trump won’t escalate back, and the Iranian people are feeling 6 inches taller.
Everywhere in the Global South, the fear of American power, carefully cultivated for decades in movies and media, is diminished.
It’s a process. It’s not going to change dramatically in half a day, but when one looks back on the history of this period, every drip from the leaky faucet hollowed out the bowl, little by little.
I was hoping for a more dramatic response from the Americans. I think their fragility has started to become obvious outside of the ideologues.
They will continue to talk a big bully game with other states, but it has become increasingly clear that they cannot back their threats up.
Much of the Global South has an inferiority complex. If you know people from these countries, you will know what I am talking about. A bizarre deference to the West and white people that borders on the absurd.
This exchange earlier is a crack in that limiting belief.
We’ve seen what that means in the Sahel; now we may see it in more spots. I think of geopolitics a bit like “Go” now. Every stop taken is one denied to the opponent. In a long enough game, it is about leaving no possible moves, forcing a resignation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 22:06 utc | 355

As far as I can tell, martial law has not recently been declared in the Zionazi Entity. West Bank Palestinians, of course, have lived under de facto or de jure military occupation (depending on zone) since 1967, and fwiw martial law was declared in Nablus a few days ago.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 23 2025 22:07 utc | 356

Sigh. People still typing “…IF trump decides to proceed…” (carrying out the long-ago premeditated plan to destroy Iran) must have missed that Michael Tracey substack that was posted a couple of times earlier. It’s all right there in black and white – must read information, documented.
And yes I am well aware that the toxic malignant narcissist trump, cruel mean ugly gross nasty disgusting evil degenerate moronic hypocrite that he is, is not the origin of the usa’s terrorism project the ziofreaks are waging against everyone on this planet who isn’t a jew (and even against some jews as well)
Remember who owns the media and the government critters and for the love of Children stop trusting a word they say.
Hoping Iran can find the way to end the existence of “israel”. The job should not have fallen to them but apparently it has.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jun 23 2025 22:07 utc | 357

US has shown it is able to target Iran but (knowingly) not able to dismantle nuclear capability. Evacuation of Fordow was so that no casualties occurred, to avoid casus belli.
Iran replied by targeting a US base to maintain its honour, evacuation was so that no casualties occurred, to avoid casus belli.
The meaning: Neither US or Iran wish to initiate, or be seen to initiate, direct conflict with the other.
The rest is unchanged, except US is saying ‘regime change’ would be necessary to dismantle Iranian abilities, and Iran is saying it will follow principles of proportional retaliation.
There is theatre , but it is not theatre.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 23 2025 22:10 utc | 358

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 21:54 utc | 344

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

I don’t think they mention cell phone videos in the Talmud. Go figure.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 23 2025 22:17 utc | 359

Trump announces end of the Iran Israel 12 day war
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/israel-and-iran-have-agreed-to-a-total-ceasefire-says-donald-trump-glbs-2745228-2025-06-24

Posted by: Spark | Jun 23 2025 22:18 utc | 360

Oil price now down 12 pc today.

Posted by: Harbin | Jun 23 2025 22:19 utc | 361

And here endeth the 12 day war between Israel and Iran, so sayeth his majesty and owner of the towers, D Trump.

Posted by: Bill B | Jun 23 2025 22:20 utc | 362

Posted by: Spark | Jun 23 2025 22:18 utc | 360
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Trump cannot make announcements for the Iranian government. On its face, it looks desperate and delusional.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 22:21 utc | 363

Who would have thought about jewish nazis some 50 years ago? It’s asthonishing …
Problem is, who will take the moral burden to play “the Hitler”?

Posted by: gesders | Jun 23 2025 22:22 utc | 364

Today was a very powerful statement from Iran to america…
Next time you wont get a warning !
Are the yanks too dumb to figuire that out ?
If not today will be highly effective on makeing those US bases less usefull in the future, and more vonrable.
Empathy and mortality are fine teachers.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jun 23 2025 22:24 utc | 365

Not to mention that the Israeli government has never observed a truce.
There is a 3% chance the Iranians fall for this. It looks like a setup for another attack. As the negotiations were before.
I lament the loss of life, but I love America going back in. Destroy the economy, feed impeachment. An “own goal”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 22:24 utc | 366

Well, next thing you know, Russia and Ukraine will declare one as well /s

Posted by: ctiger | Jun 23 2025 22:27 utc | 367

Posted by: gesders | Jun 23 2025 22:22 utc | 364
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It’s only surprising to you because you live in a propaganda bubble inside the “garden”.
People in rural Asia, Africa, or South America cannot afford such fantasies.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 22:28 utc | 368

Whom the Gods would destroy, they first…

🇺🇸🇮🇷 U.S. Vice President JD Vance has stated that the United States now seeks to open direct communication channels with Iran. Until now, nearly all interactions were conducted through intermediaries.
He also stated that American strikes have effectively destroyed Iran’s nuclear program.
According to him, Iran has lost the technical capacity to produce nuclear weapons, and Washington now hopes Tehran will not attempt to restore it.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1937276548668936438

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 22:31 utc | 369

I looked at the “photos” of the Fordow damage.
The six “possible bomb entry points” are a physical impossibility.
The morons who photoshopped these have no knowledge of physics/mechanics at all.
I guess the idea of this Jew deception is to get Iran to attack the US “without the US attacking Iran first”.
The US attack was a complete work of fiction, delivered to you by the Jew media.
The supposed strikes on American bases in Qatar are probably more of the same fiction, although an Israeli false flag event is possible.

They must be really really desperate to try something as stupid as this.

Posted by: janet | Jun 23 2025 22:32 utc | 370

why is it that the zionist regime seems to be able to get away with mass murder, the real thing: Iranian scientists, military leaders, mass civilian casualties, and yet Iran hasn’t taken out any big wigs or even a big part of the israeli air force and/or its bases, especially at the very important Nevatim Air Base
and that doesn’t include anything regarding the genocide, ethnic cleansing and slaughters in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and the West Bank etc etc. All done by israel and the other terrorist proxies of the Western powers.
what impunity israel has. Who will or can bring it to an end? and how??
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20931
Middle East Spectator – MES
Oman says it holds Israel and the U.S. solely responsible for the escalation.
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1937221401037144447
Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg
If you see the videos, Iran tossed a few older, low level, slow missiles at the US base in Qatar bound to be intercepted: having signaled they were coming.
A token retaliation designed not to escalate.
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1937221498084725106
Middle East Observer @ME_Observer_
⚡️⭕️ CNN: All United States Navy ships have departed the Naval Support Activity base in Bahrain, which serves as a main base for American naval forces in the region.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 22:32 utc | 371

🇮🇷🇮🇱| CNN now claims that a senior Iranian official told him that Tehran has not received any ceasefire proposal.
According to CNN, the senior Iranian official said Iran will continue to fight until a lasting peace is achieved, and considers Israeli and American statements to be “deception” to justify attacks on Iranian interests.
The official said: “At this very moment, the enemy is attacking Iran, and Iran is on the verge of escalating its retaliatory attacks and does not have a listening ear to listen to the lies of its enemies

https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1937276670983176359

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 22:34 utc | 372

Whoever negotiated this ceasefire deal for Iran needs to be fired. Iran stops first and after 12 hours colonial Israel stops. The colonial state of Israel never ever follows through on any ceasefire. Look at the so called ceasefires in Lebanon and Gaza. Iran finally had this evil entity shaking and now they are going to stop? This is just giving the evil entity time to regroup and then they will attack again. Does anyone really think that Netanyahu is just going to stop? Colonial Israel is evil. They bombed more health centers today and their little prison break failed. How many times is Iran going to be fooled by Trump?
The reformers have to be replaced by hawks because these people will bring the destruction of Iran.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 23 2025 22:36 utc | 373

Everyone should be watching Flight Radar and deployment orders. A decent chance that Trump may try again in a Sisyphean fashion.
He doesn’t have a choice; Israel is almost finished.
The nuclear attack and allowing retaliation were probably done to ascertain weaknesses.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 22:37 utc | 374

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 23 2025 22:36 utc | 373
I agree, a cease fire is NOT in Iran’s interest. But maybe this is just Trump bloviating

Posted by: ctiger | Jun 23 2025 22:38 utc | 375

ABC: Trump: We have a ceasefire.
If true…
Palestinians: Can we get some of that pussyfooting?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 23 2025 22:38 utc | 376

https://www.unz.com/runz/zionist-israel-as-the-assassination-nation/
Be sure to watch an astonishing late-2023 RT interview of Amir Weitmann. (I hope that guy doesn’t speak for many.)

Posted by: I forgot | Jun 23 2025 22:39 utc | 377

Marandi,
“No ceasefire. Fake News.
Zionists are in trouble.”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 22:40 utc | 378

I havent understood anything until thisfrom Pepe. Posting the link. Thank you, Judge and Pepe!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxK_D1cQPFw

Posted by: juliania | Jun 23 2025 22:40 utc | 379

Sigh. People still typing “…IF trump decides to proceed…” (carrying out the long-ago premeditated plan to destroy Iran) must have missed that Michael Tracey substack that was posted a couple of times earlier. It’s all right there in black and white – must read information, documented.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Jun 23 2025 22:07 utc | 357
Yes indeed, that Michael Tracey substack was provided a couple times by Mr Tom Q Collins, an excellent contribution. Looks like very few read it. Everyone should read it twice. The link again:
https://www.mtracey.net/p/trump-and-the-iran-war-perhaps-the
A small snippet here:

It was oddly under-covered that during the 2024 campaign, Trump repeatedly called for enabling Israel to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities. He threatened to blow the whole of Iran into “smithereens.” Meanwhile, a large number of people were apparently under the impression that by voting for Trump, they were not voting for a platform of heightened bellicosity with Iran. It’s a testament to the power of self-deception, selective absorption of information, the distortions of partisan thinking, and other phenomena of mass psychology that will be rich for further study. It’s also a testament to the power of the incredible propaganda spewed by Trump surrogates such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard, whom many people — especially in the self-proclaimed “anti-establishment” online media ecosystem — took their cues from.

Posted by: Dirk | Jun 23 2025 22:41 utc | 380

@lovedonbass
№################
You’r right – there’s no place for ironic phrases.

Posted by: gesders | Jun 23 2025 22:48 utc | 381

Regime change: Those who continue to think King Donald is not a neoncon nor a supporter of neocons, particularly Zionist neocons, are simply dumb, deluded, or fundamentally stupid.

Posted by: George | Jun 23 2025 22:48 utc | 382

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 21:39 utc | 338 “my opinion of simple observer, Iran should fire hundreds of Missiles at Nevatim Air Base (israel) instead of Al Udeid (Qatar).”
It is unlikely that Iran can do that in any short period of time because of the limited number of TELs for the missiles with the range to hit Israel. And even if they did, the CEP of the Iranian missiles doesn’t seem high enough to hit anything important on the airfield.

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 23 2025 22:51 utc | 383

RT excerpt:
“An Iranian official told CNN that Tehran has not received any ceasefire proposal and views Trump’s remarks as “a deception.”
“At this very moment, the enemy is committing aggression against Iran, and Iran is on the verge of intensifying its retaliatory strikes, with no ear to listen to the lies of its enemies,” the official said.”
Pretty clear, a made up post…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 23 2025 22:51 utc | 384

Is this another Israel “I’m a victim” card play?
They unilaterally declare that a cease fire has been agreed upon, have their mocking bird media parrot it like crazy, and wait for Iran to keep attacking.
Then they run around claiming, “look, big meanie attack me, waaaa. Please save us, we didn’t do anything to deserve this…”

Posted by: sheldon-cooper | Jun 23 2025 22:53 utc | 385

Posted by: janet | Jun 23 2025 22:32 utc | 370 “The six “possible bomb entry points” are a physical impossibility. The morons who photoshopped these have no knowledge of physics/mechanics at all.”
Could you be more specific as to why it is physical impossibility and what physics/mechanics is being missed in these claims?

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 23 2025 22:53 utc | 386

TASS:
https://tass.com/politics/1979787
Excerpt:
“The US and Israel’s unprovoked aggression against Iran, ***their undisguised attempts to change the regime, infringe upon the country’s sovereignty, interfere into its domestics affairs and decide about the future of the Iranian people constitute a blatant violation of the UN Charter ****and the basic norms and principles of international law. Such inadmissible developments must be stopped immediately,” the ministry emphasized, adding that in order to prevent further escalation, Russia will “continue its active efforts in the course of bilateral contacts with various sides within the United Nations and the IAEA.”.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 23 2025 22:54 utc | 387

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 22:37 utc | 374 “Everyone should be watching Flight Radar and deployment orders.”
Doesn’t is seem pretty clear if they don’t want people to see what they are doing, it won’t show up on Flight Radar?

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 23 2025 22:55 utc | 388

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 23 2025 22:53 utc | 386
You are responding to the most obvious troll of all time. b has made it clear many times “DON’T FEED THE TROLLS”.

Posted by: Dirk | Jun 23 2025 22:57 utc | 389

Does Erdogan still have that S400 air defence system that he was given a few years back?
Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Lengai | Jun 23 2025 22:58 utc | 390

Posted by: janet | Jun 23 2025 22:03 utc | 349
Posted by: janet | Jun 23 2025 22:32 utc | 370
Janet, please stop bold facing entire posting. Bold face is supposed to highlight something. Bold-facing everything is a way to tell us that your contributions are more important than those of anyone else. (Imagine all MOA follows and bold faces everything.) This time it got worse because you copy-pasted your entire posting which is also bad style.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 23 2025 22:58 utc | 391

https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1937272990367994151
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
Trump announces Iran-Israel total ceasefire in approximately 6 hours, for an initial 12 hours period.
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202506/24/WS6859c17da310a04af22c7fb9.html
Iran says missiles fired at US air base equal number of US bombs
Iran’s top security body said on Monday the number of missiles launched toward the US air base in Qatar matched the number of bombs dropped by the United States in its strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.
The Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) of Iran made the remarks in a statement following the missile attack by the country’s Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) on the US Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar. This attack was in retaliation for the US bombing of the three Iranian nuclear facilities of Natanz, Fordow, and Isfahan on Sunday, according to the SNSC-affiliated Nour News……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFA8RqvpaA
IRAN ATTACKS American Bases | Tit For Tat OVER? | NO WAY OUT For Israel | “UNTIL THEIR ELIMINATION”
Mahmood OD | محمود عودة
151K subscribers

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 22:59 utc | 392

– we the people know they were fake attacks.
– the neocons know they were fake attacks.
– the stupid people who might believe they were real attacks and who wanted them to take place, probably only number 20-30% of the western audience (and that is a high estimation).
So why did he need to do it?
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 23 2025 17:15 utc | 75

You kind of answered your own question there … it’s a poll to see how many of the Western audience is stupid enough to believe the USA can declare victory and go home now. I scan quite a few conservative chats and I’m surprised and disappointed at how many appear to genuinely believe Iran’s nuclear program is finished now.
Iran did a tit-for-tat fake missile strike against an empty US military base, presumably as a face saving exercise.
Thing is … if Trump is too weak to simply put his foot down and refuse the neocons … and he is forced to resort to tricks … this means they will keep pushing whatever advantage they have over him. They want regime change at all costs … John Bolton openly said so. Just watch how fast the story changes.

Posted by: Tel | Jun 23 2025 22:59 utc | 393

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 23 2025 20:28 utc | 288 “the B2 is not capable of carrying a GBU57, much less two. The bomb bay configuration does not allow for it.”
What webpage are you using to cite that the bomb bay configuration does not allow for it?

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 23 2025 23:01 utc | 394

Posted by: ed4 | Jun 23 2025 22:55 utc | 388
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And yet they did last week, and they do so between NATO and Russia all of the time.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 23:01 utc | 395

the local TV affiliate is saying peace deal. Again, with the Palestinian issue outstanding, it has to be a tenuous peace

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 23:01 utc | 396

Posted by: sheldon-cooper | Jun 23 2025 22:53 utc | 385
Or their plan is to confuse the Iranians. The goal is regime change but what if they do not know where Ayatollah Khamenei is. This fake news leads to people calling to verify the ceasefire which in return helps the evil entity find out his location.
Iran should not trust them.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 23 2025 23:02 utc | 397

Iran needs a ceasefire (anyone remember “hudna?”). Iran needs a ceasefire to allow Ben Gurion airport to open up, and for the Israelis a chance to flee. Sure, Iran knows it won’t last long, they can handle it.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 23:04 utc | 398

Is this another Israel “I’m a victim” card play?
They unilaterally declare that a cease fire has been agreed upon, have their mocking bird media parrot it like crazy, and wait for Iran to keep attacking.
Then they run around claiming, “look, big meanie attack me, waaaa. Please save us, we didn’t do anything to deserve this…”
Posted by: sheldon-cooper | Jun 23 2025 22:53 utc | 385
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I’d say “Bingo!” except this is probably a lie concocted or even originating with the White House Zionists.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 23 2025 23:05 utc | 399

Posted by: Konami | Jun 23 2025 22:58 utc | 391
Surprised that you are respectfully responding to that obvious sock/troll. At times, the “old Peter” style of response to that crap is warranted, but best no response at all, imo.

Posted by: Dirk | Jun 23 2025 23:05 utc | 400