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June 23, 2025
Proliferation, Retaliation, And Other Consequences Of The War On Iran

There are several aspects of the U.S. and Israeli attacks on nuclear facilities that deserve further discussions:

  • Non-proliferation issues
  • Retaliation by Iran
  • Consequences of unlawful behavior

Before the U.S. and Israeli strikes on its nuclear facilities Iran was a long standing member of the Treaty for the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The IAEA, tasked with verifying the adherence to the NPT, was able to inspect Iranian facilities. It knew, down to the milligram, how much enriched Uranian Iran had produced and where it was stored.

Western intelligence services as well as the IAEA did not only confirm that Iran had no nuclear weapons. They confirmed that Iran did not even have a nuclear weapon program. There were no plans to produce any weapons.

All that is now in doubt.

The NPT's objective was to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology and to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. The second part was the reason why non-nuclear nations have joined the treaty.

The U.S. demand that Iran should stop all enrichment of Uranium, as needed for civilian nuclear reactors, and the attack on Iran's peaceful nuclear facilities make it obvious that Iran is getting deprived of all the positive elements the NPT had promised. There are also serious concerns that the IAEA has leaked the names of Iranian nuclear scientists to Israel which in the end led to their assassinations.

From Iran's side a continuation of its membership in the NPT and any cooperation with the IAEA have lost their purpose. There is no longer any reason to stay within the agreement. Iran is likely to leave the NPT.

That does mean, and does not make it more likely, that Iran will start to produce nuclear weapons. There are principal, religiously bound reasons why it has so far refrained from doing so. Those have not changed.

Iran has said that it had moved all enriched Uranium from its Fordow enrichment site shortly before the U.S. strike on the installation:

A senior Iranian source claimed to Reuters that before the U.S. attack on the Fordow nuclear facility last night (Sunday), all of the stock of enriched uranium at the site was transferred to another location.

At the same time, satellite images captured a large convoy moving near the underground nuclear facility two days before the attack. It is believed that this may be documentation of the transfer of the enriched material.

Some 400 kilogram of Uranium, enriched to 60% of U-235 isotopes needed for fission chain reactions, were squirreled away. The IAEA does not know where they are. Iran also still has a sufficient numbers of its most modern centrifuges needed for further enrichment. It can produced more if it needs those. Iran also has several other bunkers, similar to the Fordow and Natanz sites, which were build and equipped to eventually house additional enrichment facilities. Those sites are not (yet) known to the IAEA and have never been inspected.

I do expect that Iran will leave the NPT. It will 'go dark' about its nuclear program. It will not announce where it will do what with the nuclear material it has. The IAEA will no longer be allowed to have knowledge of it. This will make Iran a 'latent' nuclear weapon state even while it refrains from having a nuclear weapon.

Some might argue that Iran will not do that as it would make further U.S. attacks on it more likely.

Hello? The U.S. has just attacked Iran without ANY cause. It is likely to do so again, independent of whether Iran stays with the NPT rules or not.

Being a 'latent' nuclear weapon state constitutes an additional deterrence. The longer Iran stays in that state, the higher the risk for any attacker to be countered by nuclear means.

The attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities were not done to prevent it from getting nuclear weapons. The attacks are to provoke a violent response which can then be used to launch an all out war with the end-purpose of regime change in Iran.

[The Israeli government launched its attacks on Iran under the operation name 'Rising Lion'.

The flag on the left is the flag of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The flag on the right, depicting a lion in front of the rising sun, is the flag of Iran under the former dictatorship of the Shah. The U.S. and Israel are currently promoting the son of the deposed Shah of Iran as the future leader of the country. 'Rising Lion' was and is thus an obvious reference to a regime change operation in Iran.]

There is however no easy way to regime change Iran. The Iranian society is largely standing behind its government. That government is well established and seen as legitimate. It does not depend on one person. Even the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is easily replaceable. The regular military is counterbalanced with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. This makes a military coup plot untenable.

Unless there is a large scale foreign land invasion, supported by this or that minority in Iran, there is no chance to topple the Islamic Republic. The U.S. no longer has the Cold-War army that would potentially be able to do such.

Iran is likely to take additional measures in revenge for the attack on its nuclear facilities. It may well launch a symbolic strike against one U.S. base in the Gulf. But it is unlikely to do an all out attack on all U.S. assets in the Gulf region. That is still an option but it will be reserved for later.

Any measures taken now in response to the attacks on its nuclear facilities will likely by designed to NOT give the U.S. a pretext for additional attacks on Iran.

The main enemy of Iran is still Israel. Iran has established an attritional war against it. Daily attacks by drones and medium range missiles against Israel are designed to deplete its air defenses. Only after that is done will the strikes get more serious. Israel depends on air defenses manufactured and provided by the U.S. Their production is limited and it depends on the availability of rare materials. China is currently withholding rare earth licenses from U.S. weapon producers. This will further decrease the availability of air defense items.

Israel knows that it can not sustain an attritional war with Iran:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday said that Israel aims to avoid a "war of attrition" with Iran, the Times of Israel reported.

"We won't pursue our actions beyond what is needed to achieve [the goals], but we also won't finish too soon," Netanyahu was quoted as saying.

It is not for Netanyahoo to decide when the current war ends. (Just like it is not for Zelenski to decide when there will be a ceasefire in Ukraine.) Israel is already in a war of attrition. Iran will continue to wage it.

Iran will, as said, avoid a direct war with the U.S. military as long as it can. But it will implement measures that will squeeze the U.S. as best as it can. It is likely to close the Strait of Hormuz for all energy transports that are destined to reach countries which support its enemies. Transports to China, India and global south countries will continue. U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, and the U.S. itself, will suffer. Oil prices will increase – at least for those who oppose Iran.

To implement that does not even require openly hostile measures. Loud announcements, plus a few explosions next to tankers going from the Gulf towards Rotterdam, is all that is needed to deprive any such transports of insurance. The global 'free' markets create the consequences.

When the price of oil reaches above $100 per barrel the U.S. economy will move into a recession. During the midterm election the Republican party will lose the majority in the House and Senate. Trump will become a lame duck.

Trump attacked Iran without even an attempt to provide a sound reasoning. There was no false flag incident or any serious argument of weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. attacked Iran simply because it could do so.

Trump is thereby not only in breach of the U.S. constitution, which requires Congress to declare a war. The U.S. war of aggression against Iran is also a breach of the U.S. Charter. Its attacks on civil nuclear installations is a breach of the Additional Protocols of the Geneva Convention which prohibits these.

We are now in a new world disorder:

The first major consequence, in broader terms, is that this strike dealt a final, irreparable blow to what little remained of the post-war international legal and institutional framework. That order was already in tatters — shredded by a year and a half of Western-backed genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. But this latest attack makes it official: Western powers no longer feel the need to cloak their actions in legality, morality or even the façade of diplomatic legitimacy.

Today, even that pretense is gone. In Gaza, and now with the strikes on Iran, the gloves are fully off. What we’re witnessing is a regression to a kind of global lawlessness — a “might makes right” free-for-all where nothing is off limits: not the mass slaughter of civilians, not the bombing of nuclear sites, not even the complete sidelining of international institutions.

That the U.S. is doing this, with open support of its European proxies, is not only a danger for the international system but also for the domestic population of these countries:

This isn’t only a threat to international security. It’s also a profound threat to what little freedoms we still have left within the West itself. Make no mistake: the Western ruling classes’ open embrace of Mafia-style gangsterism abroad also means that they will have no qualms about brushing aside whatever ethical, legal, constitutional and democratic constrains that still stand in the way of their desperate, hallucinatory bid to preserve the crumbling order.

We have already seen this in the illegitimate suppression of protests against the genocide in Gaza. It will proliferate from there. The West is, slowly but accelerating, sliding from a 'rule of law' status into the darkness of unbound fascism. It is on us to prevent that.

Comments

@ thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:00 utc | 198
and at the top of the list gaza which that shitty little country in the middle east, along with its co sponsors usa/uk are equally guilty of… why do you spout such bullshit thomas?? if you want to be taken seriously at moa, you’ll have to do a lot better..

Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 19:06 utc | 201

Hit the ‘decision’ centres like a real leader, not become complacent. How many times are they going to
bomb Ukraine to the stone ages, going onto the 3rd year.
Posted by: TheTurk | Jun 23 2025 17:44 utc | 134
Are you serious? Russia should bomb the USA, GB and FR?
WWW3 hangs over our heads like a sword of Damocles all the time, thanks to our democracies and the personalities they bring to bear.
When does your knowledge of Ukraine begin, in terms of time?

Posted by: BlindSpot | Jun 23 2025 19:07 utc | 202

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no disrespect Joe butt dis not about spinning uranium or making nukes
dis about the China Iran train line
and number 1
B I S rottenshield central bank for Iran
via the long path to Persia strategy
for the nuke shit
North Korea and Iran are the only countries left without that parasite city of London red shield central bank

Posted by: dan | Jun 23 2025 19:08 utc | 203

Its an Orwellian fanasty…….we bombed them to move the peace process forward…..how laughable.
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 23 2025 16:43 utc | 21
“As popular war advances, peace is closer” -Guns N Roses, Civil War
Also there’s “We didn’t start the fire” from Billy Joel. These songs are from 30 years ago and Orwell is another 40 before that!
Clown world just keeps going on 🙁 Somebody stop the world; I want to get off.

Posted by: sheldon-cooper | Jun 23 2025 19:08 utc | 204

Iran cannot let this go. If they do, that signals weakness, and America will follow up with more strikes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 22 2025 2:23 utc | 717
LD, you’re mostly thinking with your hormones. Of course President Trump doesn’t need to respond to this wiffle bat attack. It might humiliate the people who insisted that Iran was about to Close the Strait, but the Persians simply don’t think they’re at war with the United States. No matter what their rhetoric says, because it’s only to fool their gullible Western cheerleaders.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 19:10 utc | 205

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 17:31 utc | 110
Maybe I’m wrong but I think it was reported earlier today Iran hit a power plant’s switch yard in the far north, lots of film of the impact from a driver as I recall. Don’t know if the plant itself or the switch yard was the actual target, but power was out for host of towns after the strike – or so was the reporting.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 18:23 utc | 173
Dude has his WWE story and is sticking to it, funny how Isr supposedly struck the road leading to the site heavy today so that accessing it will be challenging for awhile, you know so nobody can get there to verify one way or another potus’s claims.

Also, the only reason to get nuclear (if they decide to), would be to act as a deterrent.

Posted by: JohnH | Jun 23 2025 17:41 utc | 126

Yeah, my question is given what we see in Ukr, how much of a deterrent is it anymore?
I’m not arguing against it having deterrent effects, more just pointing out it doesn’t stop one from being constantly assaulted by the US it seems, see Ukr, then again probably the only reason RU is still RU for now. Anyway I thought as far back as 2003 Iran even if it didn’t ‘need’ them, they would be fools not to get a weapon after the US went into Iraq, but I’m not them and it’s obviously their call. At this point I just see the US\Isr actions over the years + recently, as negating any point for any state (who wants any semblance of sovereignty) to be members of the NNPT if this is how shit is gonna go.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 19:14 utc | 206

and you are full of shite.. what happened in iraq, libya, syria, afganistan and etc. etc.? take your bullshit elsewhere.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 19:04 utc | 200
Indeed, what happened in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afganistan etc. Wanna break it down? No WMD’s, million dead. Hildebeast’s greatest hour Libya, We came, we saw… Africa’s most successful country destroyed forever. Syria, oh yeah that rat bastard who protected all the Christian minorities, exiled. Let’s talk about Obama’s favorite goons Al Quida.
Sorry pal, history is not on your side.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:14 utc | 207

As I mentioned before, something very weird is happening. The US is bombing empty nuclear facilities risking a skyrocking oilprice and showing the ROW their ugly zionist face, what is realy stupid, and then the IRAN is bombing empty US-facilities … what the fuck shall this be?
IMHO my believe is more and more an orchestrated theatre with “war”, “consequences” and some other ugly things… just to have an arguable reason for the introduction of martial law and following the seizing of assets of all inhibitants of western countries and intro of a new currency & trade system with ROW. As Russia and China wants to have. End of Dollar & FED.
As indebted as the west is, their “governments” aka sockpuppets need to rob all assets their populations still do have. Otherwise, in that comming system, they would be lame and poor ducks beside the “others”, namely Russia and China & more, with angry folks and some grasroot movements. The western elites would be toast.
And not to forget: The zionist movement would lost their main weapon (Dollar) and so they must get their great Israel before that happens. After it, there will be no chance any longer.
I know, its guesswork. But this madness happens in the current days one must think like crazy..

Posted by: ableman | Jun 23 2025 19:16 utc | 208

LD, you’re mostly thinking with your hormones.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 19:10 utc | 205
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No. I am thinking like a Muslim.
Trump needs to respond because this is a huge loss of face for America in West Asia.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:16 utc | 209

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 18:51 utc | 191

Thing is, it’s not just him (Ny), need a whole gaggle of those he represents to have the same or similar fate, else just replacing one lunatic with another.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 19:18 utc | 210

Trump needs to respond because this is a huge loss of face for America in West Asia.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:16 utc | 209

Trump won’t respond unless the markets enter a correction.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 23 2025 19:20 utc | 211

This is the Rebels stealing the Death Star plans.
The seeds of America’s colonial end are taking root.
Everyone will see Trump backing down, and will be inspired by Iran standing up.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:20 utc | 212

Posted by: too scents | Jun 23 2025 19:20 utc | 211
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That would be great. The longer he chickens out, the worse his position becomes.
Zugzwang.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:23 utc | 213

@ thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:00 utc | 198
and at the top of the list gaza which that shitty little country in the middle east, along with its co sponsors usa/uk are equally guilty of… why do you spout such bullshit thomas?? if you want to be taken seriously at moa, you’ll have to do a lot better..
Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 19:06 utc | 201
Sorry James I can’t take you seriously, if you want to discuss my posts please read them all. If you are an unrepentant neocon, I can’t help you.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:23 utc | 214

TC-116, So far* you’ve only come up with insults, not even making an attempt to walk your talk..pathetic, you’re a joke. C’mon buddy, live up to your braggadocio why don’t you? And no, I’ve been posting for a long time under my name, censored by B for a few years and censored by other “liberal” blogs largely for going against the DNC’s narrative…Ezra, Josh Marshall, Yves Smith, Yalensis just to name a few dating back to before the start of the Iraq war so, about 25 years.
Ref:
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*”Shall someone research your history of intellectually honest and unbiased commentary on Genocide Joe and Democrats? Tom_Q_Collins 116″
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Please do document where I was pro-war under Team-Biden and now anti-war under Trump or pro-unlimited-immigration under Team-Biden and now anti-unlimited-immigration under Trump or any pro/anti-issue under Team-Biden and the opposite under Trump. Just links, not your endless verbal diarrhea. Since you volunteered you better get busy..it may cut into you putting in every other comment but, I’m sure Dumbass will fill your breach with an endless stream of expectorants… -S Brennan 158

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 23 2025 19:24 utc | 215

As expected, all of those shitty low iq vassals from ME condemned Iran except for Oman. Another confirmation from Iran, that they don’t have any real friends in the region.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 19:25 utc | 216

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 19:25 utc | 216
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Not one of them matters. You’re still trapped in the Western mode of power by press release. LOL
Iran can wipe any one of them off the map in a day and still might. Kuwait is Iraq. Parts of KSA are Yemen.
This is the beginning, not the end.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:27 utc | 217

CrossTalk Bullhorns: Trump Goes To War
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/620221-trump-iran-war-over-negotiations/
“With the unprovoked attack on Iran, Donald Trump has demonstrated his administration’s preference for war over negotiations. What Trump’s strategic goal is remains unclear.
However, have no doubt the law of unintended consequences is now in play. Iran will retaliate. Escalation is front and center.
CrossTalking with George Szamuely and Mark Sleboda.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 19:28 utc | 218

weird s–t going on..that USA back channeled Iran before the attack giving time to dig in and remove stuff…that Russia advised them to sit it out and not defend( give USA false confidence and get over his tantrum,not give away defences nor invite further response??? But Iran says always planned for being attacked hence the deep underground unstallations)…people saying its all fraud no evidence of B2 flying over Iran the craters look ineffective….
Iran no a/d nor fighter planes in air.
That are still backchannels going on eg with EU that some negotiations are possible….if?.??
Did Iran “let “IDF cyber attack so then could work out how to defend and proof against it?
USA did it because it could as maybe feeling Net was publicly showing himself to be in charge and DT wants to get his authoratitve posture back? Net. delighted cos his longterm plans have come to fruition…though as DT says this is a once and for all Net knows he lies like himself so there are no rules but ones to be broken so DT could go again no problem.
We suspect the trigger point was the flawed as truth EAIA Grossi bought and sold report….that as Alastair Crooke has said Palantir used Mosaic hundreds millions data with its Ai
“maybe-could be-would be-should b ” paranoid inputted algorythms , tipping the hysterical deranged mmegalomanic DT over the edge.
Other triggers? China rail and russian rail links now operational?For exports but also for military imports? That Iran got IDF military secrets and IDF will do anything to destroy those before they get analysed and dispersed?
Iran forewarned USA to remove troops from Qatar base just as a warning look we can so we will….though a earlier person said 50000 USAtroops will be target no problem??
l just do not get that aIran is playing these games cos that would be a big big thing that turns its peoples against the leadership which would be seen to be complicity with western powers.Iran is too clever to do that kinda stuff.

Posted by: Jo | Jun 23 2025 19:28 utc | 219

What this requires is not regime change in Iran, but regime change in the US. And I don’t mean replacing Republicans with Democrats, or even R&Ds with Greens.

Posted by: Fastball | Jun 23 2025 19:30 utc | 220

That would be great. The longer he chickens out, the worse his position becomes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:23 utc | 213

Yes. By then it will be too late, but he has no choice but to sail close to the wind.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 23 2025 19:32 utc | 221

Oman says it holds Israel and the U.S. solely responsible for the escalation.
15:03
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20931

MES Commentary:
“Well, this was clearly a symbolic attack, which I expected and was the correct move. As I said before, in my opinion we should just focus on Israel and not hit the U.S. But if you’re not going to launch enough missiles to even cause some impacts, then why…
— Opinion of a second admin (not the owner):
I think this attack is ‘better’ than we’re giving it credit for, it’s less about the U.S. and more about the Arab states in the Persian Gulf, who have enjoyed wealth and safety in exchange for selling their countries out for far too long. There’s a reason Saudi Arabia immediately condemned the attacks.
This was a message to Gulf countries, that hosting American soldiers and equipment in your countries for no purpose other than to serve Israeli interests will not bring you ‘safety’, in fact it’s the opposite if you keep enabling them and only issue mere statements in support of Iran.
Qatar has never been attacked. Its citizens have never heard sirens in their entire lives. This should make them think twice about normalization.
Older Qadr / Emad missiles were used in this operation, which means everything was taken into account as far as being symbolic.
Either way, I now want to see our full focus shift to Tel Aviv now. Not even Ashdod or Ashkelon, but Tel Aviv, with a side of Haifa.”
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20930

hmm, tbh I don’t think they (most other gulf states) care (so long as it’s just us assets on the receiving end), nor will it have them re-thinking their allegiance.

NYT: Trump will not respond

First smart move in 2 weeks if true, that said, they’d say the same damn thing even if they were going to respond.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 19:32 utc | 222

Do you realize what Iran has done?
No one is talking about Israel. Missiles are still landing.
The house is empty, and fumigation can begin.
Does anyone really think Israel can make it another month? Does anyone think that Iran doesn’t have more international support today than at any other day in the Republic’s history?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:33 utc | 223

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:16 utc | 209
“Trump needs to respond because this is a huge loss of face for America in West Asia.”
Not necessarily – what Trumpet needs to do is keep destroying the Empire of Lies – preferably with more lies, and he has a good supply of those, and also by stupid moves which will eventually destroy the US economy. Getting Iran to selectively block of the Strait of Hormuz would be a good first step – the $100 barrel in the USA will get the Maga crowd right behind him – with pitchforks. But I hope he will go on to better things – a few illegal attacks from aircraft carriers with subsequent sinkings would also contribute, and . . . why go on – he can probably think up more dumb moves than I could ever hope to. More power to his misguided elbow, I say.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 23 2025 19:33 utc | 224

@217,
Iran cannot fight everyone, they at least need to keep these vassals at bay. I know that these condemnations are meaningless (like the rest that they did when it actually mattered) but it’s still a sad thing to see.
Even Lebanon pitched in. Pathetic.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 19:34 utc | 225

Does anyone really think Israel can make it another month?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:33 utc | 223

The S&P500 is still above 6000. Who do you think owns it?

Posted by: too scents | Jun 23 2025 19:34 utc | 226

Iraq shuts its airspace – Kuwait does the same – Bahrain shuts its as well – a suspected and commented on in previous page.
“Iran gave advance notice of Qatar base attacks to minimize casualties.” – New York Times”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 23 2025 19:35 utc | 227

Does anyone really think Israel can make it another month? Does anyone think that Iran doesn’t have more international support today than at any other day in the Republic’s history?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:33 utc | 223
Refreshing isn’t it.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:35 utc | 228

This is what the Revolution was for. Punishing Israel and America.
All of the nerds second-guessing and wetting their pants forgot, or ignored, that Iran had goals to achieve.
Soleimani died for a cause.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:35 utc | 229

@ thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:23 utc | 214
no thomas…. if you say shit and expect others to read every post of yours – forget it… your post @ 198 was enough to respond to on it’s own.. better for me to ignore you completely..

Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 19:35 utc | 230

German Chancellor Merz Says He Sees No Reason to Condemn US, Israeli Strikes on Iran
German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said he saw no justification for condemning the recent US and Israeli attacks on Iran.
“The evidence that Iran is continuing its path to building nuclear weapons can no longer be seriously disputed,” Merz said at an event organized by the BDI, a German industrial lobby.
“There is no reason to criticize what Israel started in Iran a week ago, nor is there any reason to criticize what America did there last weekend,” he wrote later that day on X, adding that “it is not without risks. But leaving things as they are was not an option either.”

this poodle among poodles. at least he aknowledges that israel started it, but im sure he didnt notice.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 19:36 utc | 231

Posted by: too scents | Jun 23 2025 19:34 utc | 226
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Have you ever tried to eat a stock certificate? A digital stock certificate? LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:38 utc | 232

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 19:36 utc | 231
either europeans are acting stupid or there is something much more big in the game

Posted by: Macpott | Jun 23 2025 19:39 utc | 233

Re: bombing campaign ?
Iran is following a strategy of a long siege. No power, No gasoline, no fertilzers, no shipping, and no commercial air traffic means Tel Aviv abandons itself. No need to make Tel Aviv look like Gaza.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 23 2025 19:40 utc | 234

Resign or die – I doubt he’ll resign.
“Mossad has contacted the IRGC commanders and threatened to kill them if they do not resign and absolve themselves of the Islamic Republic within 12 hours by releasing a video.”
https://nitter.poast.org/MonitorX99800/status/1937222810499215757#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 23 2025 19:40 utc | 235

229 – Soleimani died for a cause.
Agreed.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 23 2025 19:41 utc | 236

James maybe if you say exactly where I am wrong we could talk. But you immediately jumped to trashing people. I don’t mind argument, but I am 69Y/o well educated, and only full of shyte when women are involved. Thanks.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:41 utc | 237

One thing I don’t understand is why doesn’t Iran send troops to attack Israel? It seems like there is more than enough forces between the IRGC, Ansar Allah and Iraqi resistance / PMF and Hezbollah to storm Israel in a ground war. I understand its hard to transport them them there without being attacked by Israeli / US air power. I wonder if this has ever been considered, like an all out ground invasion? Is it impossible to delver troops to Israel’s doorstep?

Posted by: James C | Jun 23 2025 19:42 utc | 238

“Mossad has contacted the IRGC commanders and threatened to kill them if they do not resign…”
Must never have met the Shia

Posted by: necromancer | Jun 23 2025 19:44 utc | 239

Posted by: Exile | Jun 23 2025 19:40 utc | 234
“No need to make Tel Aviv look like Gaza.”
No need perhaps, but there is such a concept as justice.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 23 2025 19:44 utc | 240

Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian Authority, condemned Iran’s retaliatory attack on the US Al-Udeid military base in Qatar.

https://t.me/thecradlemedia/38260
I can’t even think of a comment.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 23 2025 19:44 utc | 241

Have you ever tried to eat a stock certificate?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 19:38 utc | 232

Paper money is still accepted for passage out of Haifa.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 23 2025 19:45 utc | 242

235 – Different culture but I am reminded of this famous Russian painting of Cossacks sending a mocking reply to the Sultan when he demands their allegiance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Repin#/media/File:Ilja_Jefimowitsch_Repin_-_Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks_-_Yorck.jpg

Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 23 2025 19:46 utc | 243

Jams, justice will come when Palestinian refugees enjoy their new furnished apartments in Tel Aviv

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 19:47 utc | 244

Posted by: James C | Jun 23 2025 19:42 utc | 238
“why doesn’t Iran send troops to attack Israel?”
Well, you see, the good thing about rockets is that they don’t have any families, or emotional connections. So you can send out thousands to blow up in Israel, but no-one will mourn their passing. In fact, generally, it will be celebrated.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 23 2025 19:47 utc | 245

Maybe I’m wrong but I think it was reported earlier today Iran hit a power plant’s switch yard in the far north, lots of film of the impact from a driver as I recall. Don’t know if the plant itself or the switch yard was the actual target, but power was out for host of towns after the strike – or so was the reporting. …
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 19:14 utc | 206

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Good intel, thanks. Depends on what they hit in the switch yard. Taking out a step-up transformer would be somewhat major, maybe a week outage depending on if they had a spare in-country. If it’s just the switch yard, I’d call it either a brush back pitch, or a signal that Iran is escalating.
US/Iran is at worst a Mexican stand off. Irrelevant, and should be ignored. Ryan Dawson gets it. Israel is the real story and how much they are getting hit. Considering Israel already called for a cease fire, they are getting hit (and people on this forum see the videos). However Iran isn’t going to go for a “ceasefire”, which gives Israel time to replenish. Iran wants a deal. And that’s going to mean Iran keeps its ballistic missiles at a minimum. Uranium enrichment and sanctions relief are also on the table. That would be a huge pill for the two minor Amalek pscho talmudist parties to swallow. Don’t know if they are close, the Haifa refinery loss was really big. Trumps biggest headache as always is Netty. MAGA is in civil war. MTG is probably dancing to Boom Boom Tel Aviv right now.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 19:48 utc | 246

@238,
In case you haven’t notice, there are around 2000km from Iran to the borders of Israel. There are also a few countries in between who are not even close of being called allies of Iran. Not to mention that most of that region is plain and desert. It would be a miracle to transport large masses of troops in open terrain against US/Israeli air force.
Same stuff with Yemen, they would need to go across Saudi & Jordanian territory. 2 big vassals to US/Israel.
Only viable option might be PMF or Hezbollah but they don’t have the numbers and next to nothing when it comes to actual equipment to do any sort of actual damage. Meat assaults is not the best way to conduct warfare in the 21th century.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 19:49 utc | 247

🇺🇸🇮🇷🇮🇱❗️Trump will not respond to Iran’s attack on US military bases in Qatar, CNN reports, citing an American official.
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truth translation: Trump WILL respond to Iran’s attack
The stupid Clown show continues….

Posted by: TheTurk | Jun 23 2025 19:49 utc | 248

@bevin | Jun 23 2025 17:42 utc | 131
You correctly mention the role of Mossad within the Savac. But nobody here seems to want to bring up the fact that the Shah was ousted by the US/UK.
Britain in particular had prepared the ground and significantly aided Khomeini to have followers and therefore a power basis.
Britain also organised Savac so their role was presumably significant in the Mossad contribution.
Britain tends to have many who protects her good name.
B, Our host mentions the imperial plans for inserting the former shah’s son after a potential coming regime change.
I actually posted a comment on his facebook page to remind him about what really happened back then when the Islamic revolution took place.
I dont know if the shah ever told his children what he said to adult confidants: That the US ousted him.
I tried to raise his attention to counter the effect of the flow to the memory hole.
But I dont know if he read it.
For example I pointed out that one of the intentions of the US/UK was to prevent development of nuclear power plants for industrialisation.
I also reminded him about the fact that the shah intended Iran to be free to collaborate with both east and west.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 23 2025 19:49 utc | 249

In response to

Allegedly a base in Syria was hit this morning US time.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 17:41 utc | 128

Thanks Tom….I am waiting for details but Iran sounds like has expanded its response to more than Occupied Palestine….what will those other countries do?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 23 2025 19:50 utc | 250

I have no idea why Iran hasn’t taken out the USA and Israeli bases in Syria, and a missile aimed at Jolani if only for shits and giggles, try to get the resistance restarted there. Maybe there is no resistance, maybe something to do with the two Russian bases still holding on there?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 23 2025 19:51 utc | 251

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 19:47 utc | 244
“Jams, justice will come when Palestinian refugees enjoy their new furnished apartments in Tel Aviv”
Sure, but that’s only in a possible future. Right now we have to get what we can. Apartments can be re-built, especially with war crimes reparations – if the dying empire can afford that.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 23 2025 19:51 utc | 252

Isn’t this a “win” for Iran, even will all missiles intercepted?
hmmm … 10 incoming Iranian missiles, at least 10 US interceptors used …
$100,000,000?
It’s some combination of the following…
THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense)
– Intercepts short-, medium-, and intermediate-range ballistic missiles
– $8,000,000 to $12,000,000 CPI 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰
Patriot (and Israeli MIM-104 Patriot)
– Intercepts ballistic missiles, aircraft, and drones
– $2,000,000 to $6,000,000 CPI 💰💰💰💰
Drones Not Done, TOO
Hit Me, If You Can: The Coy Decoy.

https://semperdoctrina.substack.com/p/drones-not-done-too
What’s true in drone swarms holds for missile barrages as well.
“In drone “damage” strategy, one weighs the value of the asset destroyed versus the cost of the drone used to destroy it. In drone “decoy” strategy, one weighs the value of the defensive assets expended versus the drone used to evoke it. Math is equally compelling. …
If the attacker drone manages to strike a target asset, this is mere icing on the cake. The goal is to get the defender to defend, to expend the interceptor asset(s)! …
Decoy strategy aims to maximize the enemy’s P_d, P_t, P_l !!! I want you to detect me, I want you to be able to track me, I want you to launch! Throw the gold! Egad, even Iran wants the U.S. and Israel to believe that their systems work!!!”

Funny, the Iranians even told them they were incoming!

Posted by: Semper Doctrina | Jun 23 2025 19:52 utc | 253

pertergtfndb, sorry, your tale is less than half true. The US and Westinghouse provided the Shah’s first nuke plan. a good bit of what you contribute is utter garbage.
You have some ethical/ moral issues as well. Your head was blown by conspiracy and psychotic neuroses, I can’t pinpoint it, but it glows off of your comments

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 19:55 utc | 254

Posted by: James C | Jun 23 2025 19:42 utc | 238
In short, yes it’s problematic in the extreme to do in any numbers, see Ukraine. They’d just get air-struck or drone-struck on their travels with no AD, and that’s before they got anywhere near Isr.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 19:56 utc | 255

NYT: Trump will not respond

First smart move in 2 weeks if true, that said, they’d say the same damn thing even if they were going to respond.
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 19:32 utc | 222


There it is. Ignore Iran/US. This is all about Israel, which is currently getting hit hard.
I can very easily see a deal, though it depends on the nutters in Israel.
1. Trump claims he’s destroyed the labs.
2. Trump stops the implosion of MAGA.
3. Iran gets some goodies, maybe sanctions relief. They will absolutely keep their missiles. Maybe Russia comes in and supervises enrichment or something.
4. Israel isn’t completely destroyed.
Netty will claim victory, however I don’t think he can sell it. He’ll lean hard on the US strike on the nuke labs.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 19:57 utc | 256

Jams, it will be weeks. Can’t rebuild that fast. The elites are leaving now, it’s about to be a flood. No body knows Algerian history in the bar, dommage

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 19:57 utc | 257

So far, it seems to me that Iran is getting the worst of this war of attrition as Israel is hitting Iran harder than Iran is hitting Israel. Iran has no answer for Israel’s air attacks, this is unsettling for me. I want Iran to kick Israel’s ass but it isn’t happening (yet). And shooting a dozen missiles a day isn’t going to cut it, jmho. The power is still on in Israel, no Iranian air defense to speak of, even the main airport of Israel re-opened today. Does that sound like a country on the ropes? Iran seems unwilling to take bold, decisive actions- hit the airbases housing the Israeli jets, no matter what country they’re in, do a selective closure of the gulf, turn off the power in Israel. Mae Israel and it’s backers feel some real pain, even if only economic. So go ahead and call me a concern troll….

Posted by: ctiger | Jun 23 2025 19:58 utc | 258

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 19:55 utc | 254
“I can’t pinpoint it, but it glows off of your comments”
Just a gentle hint – maybe ‘it’ only exists in your head?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 23 2025 19:59 utc | 259

@ thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:41 utc | 237
see your response @ 198…. that is all one needs to see..

Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 20:00 utc | 260

@208 Ableman
You’d be insane not to have crazy thoughts. It’s the ones going about their business not questioning their political betters that are deranged.
How’s this?
No more conventional war. Standoff hits demonstrating war and animosity but backroom deals abound.
Yes, the economic system in the west is untenable. Reserve status in question.
Empty Israel and an empty Ukraine. What does that mean? Meager pensions for the war widows in Ukraine in exchange for a new Tel Aviv in Ukraine.
Resurgence of Ottomans. Palestine is restored as protectorate. Economic reckoning in the U.S. is weathered by Palantir that keeps domestic revolt from taking off.
Remaining question: ethnic strife in western countries. Erdogan can help with this and bring browns home in Europe.
Remaining question: Mexico/China/U.S.. a bundled mess.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 23 2025 20:02 utc | 261

As indebted as the west is, their “governments” aka sockpuppets need to rob all assets their populations still do have. Otherwise, in that comming system, they would be lame and poor ducks beside the “others”, namely Russia and China
Posted by: ableman | Jun 23 2025 19:16 utc | 208
I think so, note the bills in congress to sell off huge swaths of public lands

Posted by: natrat | Jun 23 2025 20:02 utc | 262

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 19:57 utc | 257
But who in the US is going to be General De Gaulle?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 23 2025 20:02 utc | 263

I’m talking about pertergtfndb. You just don’t know Algerian history. There’s a cure for ignorance, not corrupt agendas like pertergtfndb’s. The illogic betrays itself

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 20:02 utc | 264

Posted by: ctiger | Jun 23 2025 19:58 utc | 258
“Israel is hitting Iran harder than Iran is hitting Israel”
Who told you that – Mossad? Read some alternative reports – then judge.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 23 2025 20:04 utc | 265

Paper money is still accepted for passage out of Haifa.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 23 2025 19:45 utc | 242
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The Iranians will provide free transport to Hell.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 20:04 utc | 266

The people quit, rushed for the ports, the leadership reacted, not lead. De Gaulle was much more resolute than the pampered fools running US and Israel

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 20:05 utc | 267

People seem confused, okay that is understandable in the flood of nonsense (but still annoying). Here’s what I think has happened and might happen.
1. The B2’s didn’t do anything, the story about them is fake, a silly show. No supporting evidence for them being in Iranian airspace or dropping anything. Zero. Only US BS.
2. The US very likely did attack Iran with other means such as missiles from a submarine. Essentially no military impact on Iran except as a form of “political messaging” to apply pressure.
3. Iran rejects that and is performing a sort of retaliation to it by openly inviting further US escalation. A sort of “come on if you’re hard enough” as the Brits would say. That’s why it doesn’t matter if a base is empty or not; it’s not about the base, it’s about shouting “f you! Bring it!”.
That’s where we are now.
I think the Iranians are confident they can entrap and punish the US while destroying “Israel”, or at any rate they’re willing to give it a go.
The US must now make a real choice to commit or walk away. If this interpretation is right then more US evasion and indecision will bring more Iranian attacks against the US.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 23 2025 20:06 utc | 268

@238
Putting mechanized units in the field opens them up to unlimited air attack, if Hezbollah came out the same, Brocken up by USand IAF unlimited tactical bombing, even the USN carriers would get in on it.
No sense redoing 1967 or 1973.
Shorting missile back and forth negated US’ bottomless magazine for fighter aircraft.

Posted by: paddy | Jun 23 2025 20:06 utc | 269

Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 20:00 utc | 260
I see what you’re saying. I was more talking about the present, like today. I knew Marines who died in Lebanon from my area in NC. There has been so much bloodshed in the world, I would like to think the world is changing. I think it can.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:06 utc | 270

BTW, I believe Natty is no longer with us.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:07 utc | 271

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:07 utc | 271
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That would suck. Bibi wouldn’t have been a star attraction at the Hague.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 20:10 utc | 272

TJC, based on what? I set the clock/over under Friday evening at 72 hours.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 20:11 utc | 273

No body knows Algerian history
Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 19:57 utc | 257
Algeria works in the sense that people had to cross a sea to escape. (Also the people leaving were settlers.)
But in terms of the basic impetus driving mass movement, India, Cyprus and now Ukraine also provide excellent examples of the dynamics in play.
Ironically, Cyprus illustrates the emergency aspect, as everyone got the hell out of Dodge thinking they’d be going back home fairly shortly.
Well, 51 years later Famagusta and everything north of the line are still empty. And let’s note that both the Greeks and Turks who fled south-north weren’t just settlers; rather they’ve been there for millenia.
But yeah, the long term play for Iran is de-population; the Israeli economy + military posture cannot take even a 10-15% population decline.

Posted by: Markw | Jun 23 2025 20:14 utc | 274

As far as I know the following is true:
– Iran has not surrendered to the Idf, US or UK
– Hamas and the PIJ and Fatah have not surrendered to Israel
– Hezbollah has not surrendered to Israel
The Israelis continue on with their delusional notion that they make Orwellian peace by killing all the Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon, and subdue the Iranians….its a March of Folly – much like 1914, events will dictate the outcome…stay tuned.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 23 2025 20:17 utc | 275

Never forget, this is a key element in world history:
The Israelis constructed a truly gigantic AI program. They asked the oracle a question rendering an answer they were willing to believe. That answer contradicts all available resources on the relevant information.
Who are you goin to believe, AI or your unbelieving eyes? Go with AIPAC, they do not need any stinking observable data.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 23 2025 20:17 utc | 276

This has me thinking.
The Iranian response was a weak cup of tea. That can be because the American attack was equally weak.
If that is the case, what are the implications for Israel?
Have they been thrown under the bus? Is this all theater.
Sounds incredible, but it could be what is going on.
If so that is significant!

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 23 2025 20:17 utc | 277

JC, based on what? I set the clock/over under Friday evening at 72 hours.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 20:11 utc | 273
Just a rumor from some sources I sometimes go to, then I took a good look at the Bibi yesterday. He is several inches shorter, his body is bent over which Bibi doesn’t do, his face is a nice try but compare it with earlier photos. And lastly there was a photo of him with a clear neck line indicating prosthetic. But the fact that Israel intelligence wants to save Israel is why. Mossad is the Israeli government at this time. And yes, not a shred of proof so…

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:18 utc | 278

Show’s over, everybody is happy except Israel. Probably the best outcome that could be hoped for.
A few more days of getting pounded, and Israel will be suing for peace through back channels. Their plot to get the U.S. to fight its war has failed, but of course the Americans will not allow Israel to be too weakened, either. Smart of Iran to bleed them slowly, but they will run up against that limit soon.

Posted by: okdane | Jun 23 2025 20:19 utc | 280

Posted by: okdane | Jun 23 2025 20:19 utc | 280
Agree.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:22 utc | 281

In all 273 posts on this thread, all mentioning the mayhem that is going on, but not a single one mentions a “Casualty.”
That was also true for the US attacks on Iranian last Saturday.
So far, it looks like the US has started a war in which their are no casualties.
Is this purposeful? And how do you do that unless you’ve initiated some kind of intricate deception plan with your purported enemy.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Jun 23 2025 20:22 utc | 282

1. Trump claims he’s destroyed the labs.
2. Trump stops the implosion of MAGA.
3. Iran gets some goodies, maybe sanctions relief. They will absolutely keep their missiles. Maybe Russia comes in and supervises enrichment or something.
4. Israel isn’t completely destroyed.
Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 19:57 utc | 256
Sounds a lot like what Witkoff was offering. No enrichment, but the Russians do it instead. But that’s probably fine by Iran, Israel has had to cope with a lot more damage.
Which means that Iran can easily take their time with agreeing. They’re in no hurry.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 20:22 utc | 283

I wonder if the Mullah’s watched Mohammed Ali fight, because they are pulling off the best rope-a-dope I’ve ever seen.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:26 utc | 284

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 19:57 utc | 256
That would odd because that’s the ‘deal’ more or less that had already been brokered by Wikcoff (or was damn near close), that the US backed bailed from suddenly in the final week before all this kicked off with their ‘nah fk it we changed our mind no-enrichment period’ stunt from the US? One has to ask wtf is the point of this then – which I’ve been asking since he tore up the jcpoa, but I digress. If you were DJT and actually going to say no to bibi for once, he could have just done it 2 weeks ago and announced the deal, without all destruction and death, and if bibi was gonna go off half cocked there after, just leave him to wallow in it and defend himself, no need to participate at all, other then maybe supply some interceptors and do just enough to claim ‘helping’ to keep TheLobby at bay, but not assist, or refuel etc, like they are atm with strikes. So they must be after more than than what you mention imho.

Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 20:27 utc | 285

The countries hosting the US parasite they so desperately cling on to that have been sitting on the fence while their “brother & sisters” in Gaza are being slauthtered and starved to death by the Zionazis condemn the way too prudent and cautious Iranian response:

🇲🇦 Morocco strongly condemns the “blatant missile attack that targeted the sovereignty & airspace of Qatar”

https://nitter.poast.org/MenchOsint/status/1937235760501129522#m
Morocco even hosts Zionazi soldiers on its soil.

🇪🇬 Egypt: Called the strike a violation of Qatari sovereignty and international law. Urged de-escalation and ceasefire.
🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia: Said the attack violated neighborly principles and was unjustifiable.
🇯🇴 Jordan: Labeled it Iranian “aggression” against Qatar.
🇧🇭 Bahrain: Expressed full support for Qatar.
🇵🇸 Palestinian Authority (the human mucus Mahmoud Abas): Called the strike a blatant violation of Qatar’s sovereignty.

https://tgstat.ru/en/channel/@DDGeopolitics

Al-Udeid Airbase has served as a key logistical hub for supplying weapons used in the genocide in Gaza.
The zionist entity would not have been able to sustain its genocidal campaign without the strategic and operational backing of U.S. military bases across the region—bases hosted by complicit Arab regimes.

https://nitter.poast.org/BIG__Brother7/status/1937203851490156855#m

Posted by: xor | Jun 23 2025 20:27 utc | 286

This has me thinking.
The Iranian response was a weak cup of tea. That can be because the American attack was equally weak.
If that is the case, what are the implications for Israel?
Have they been thrown under the bus? Is this all theater.
Sounds incredible, but it could be what is going on.
If so that is significant!

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 23 2025 20:17 utc | 277
Trump probably just put on a show to satisfy Mrs Adelson in return for another of his cheques, written at Netanyahu’s behest.
Netanyahu’s goal was for Trump to kill enough Iranians to incite a cycle of revenge between Iranians and Americans, and
maybe Trump saw through that and played them by taking advantage of a historic opportunity for Netanyahu by stopping to ask for a cheque.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Jun 23 2025 20:27 utc | 287

Sunny Runny Burger – 268 – Totally agree.
– One – the B2 is not capable of carrying a GBU57, much less two. The bomb bay configuration does not allow for it.
– Two – as you correctly stated there is no evidence that the B2’s ever entered Iranian airspace.
– The nuke facilities were hit with Tomahawks from USN attack subs. That is why the damage is so slight. Fordow continues to be operable. Total mission fail.
Its total gaslighting to save the occupation state in Palestine.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 23 2025 20:28 utc | 288

“We have already seen this in the illegitimate suppression of protests against the genocide in Gaza. It will proliferate from there. The West is, slowly but accelerating, sliding from a ‘rule of law’ status into the darkness of unbound fascism. ”
b
I agree.
In my opinion it began in the West in Clinton’s term
Now the below is a google AI search-see how ‘Glass-Stegall was being modernized and improved when in fact the Gramm bill the positive that act caused the 2008 economic conflagration and locked in corporate Fascism.
And you are right the Western Fascism trend is accelerating.
So guys, Ai is shit-it is just as edited/programmed as the MSM talking head/puppets
“1. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (GLBA), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, which was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. While the bill was passed in 1999, it had its roots in earlier efforts to modernize the financial system and included provisions that addressed the separation of commercial and investment banking, a concept central to the older Glass-Steagall Act. ”

Posted by: canuk | Jun 23 2025 20:29 utc | 289

Remember Trumps attack on Syria in 2018. Largely symbolic and nothing changed. Could this be dejavu?
Maybe trump does play multi dimensional chess?

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 23 2025 20:29 utc | 290

Wonderful analysis.
Thanks.

Posted by: canuk | Jun 23 2025 20:30 utc | 291

Sounds incredible, but it could be what is going on.
If so that is significant!
Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 23 2025 20:17 utc | 277
BY DECEPTION SHALL WE WAGE WAR.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 20:31 utc | 292

@team10tim | Mon, 23 Jun 2025 16:31:00 GMT | 8

Iran’s strategy of almost having a nuke is to have the capacity to quickly build a nuke for a 2nd strike. This is classic nuclear deterrence.

Yes. Having the components for the bomb at hand, but not readied and assembled, is technically not to have the bomb. It sounds legalistic, but there is an important moral point between this and having nukes armed and ready, pointed at someone else.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 23 2025 20:32 utc | 293

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 23 2025 17:31 utc | 109
Do you hear what I see?
~

Posted by: Laurence | Jun 23 2025 20:32 utc | 294

Now that this US base is being attacked. What is the value of theses bases? They are very vulnerable. Can the same not be said about these aircraft-carriers? If the situation further escalates, how is the US going to fight with Iran, missiles launched from submarines, aircrafts send from far away? If they would like to do the same as during Iraq war where will they station their army? Everywhere in the Middle east they would be attacked by missiles. Iran has the right strategy, with investing a lot in its missiles. If Iran is seeing that what they planned is working, why would they not continue? Driving the US out of the middle east.

Posted by: hubert | Jun 23 2025 20:33 utc | 295

Iran probably offloaded some short-range missiles that were collecting dust anyway. Maybe they picked the base in Qatar to let them look good when they shot down all the missiles – the partnership between Iran and Qatar seems nothing but solid. Qatar just announce that a single missile, out of 19, got through:
https://aje.io/j5j5ww?update=3795800
Would be interesting to know where that hit. It would be an interesting message if they fired a single serious shot at something important, as a message.

Posted by: okdane | Jun 23 2025 20:36 utc | 296

Oh the stories to motivate Iran peoples…(unless it’s a fable to get the fatwah against having the n bomb removed which might be a double plan so USA and Isr can then nuke Iran)
Iranian officials are said to be considering removing their supreme leader from power after the United States waded in to Israel’s growing conflict with Iran on Sunday.
Two sources involved in talks told The Atlantic that officials are now contemplating deposing Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, but said it’s just ‘one idea’ among many ‘plots’.
‘Everybody knows Khamenei’s days are numbered,’ one official told the American outlet. ‘Even if he stays in office, he won’t have actual power.’
Iranian officials had sought to displace the 86-year-old supreme leader even before the U.S. intervention due to his age and longstanding health concerns, the sources said.

Posted by: Jo | Jun 23 2025 20:38 utc | 297

Something not right. Crude spot and futures crashing. Is it real or someone shorting crazy.

Posted by: Michael J | Jun 23 2025 20:38 utc | 298

NemesisCalling | Jun 23 2025 20:02 utc | 261
Enjoying the broader view; some times MoA can become too buried in minutiae.
OK, try this one on for size: everything you noted is recognized and incorporated by the elite. That is, nothing happening today or in the fure represents any kind of surprise or unintended blow back.
So, why do it? Pretty simple really, the ME oil fields have a limited lifespan. If peak was reached at Masjed Soleyman in the 60s (50 years after founding of BP), then that would suggest more recent discoveries will follow a similar arc.
So, how long do we have? I’m guessing 20+ years, which makes the current investment in support of Israel and the principality bases still viable in terms of appreciable ROI.
What happens when we leave the ME? Who cares? As Keynes said, in the long run we’re all dead. Once you understand the kind of mentality that drives top level decision making, the world situation will become much clearer.
In the meantime, the real R&D MIC action is directed at how to knock off Russia. Getting hold of their natural resources is absolutely vital to keeping the $dollar system going.

Posted by: Markw | Jun 23 2025 20:38 utc | 299

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 23 2025 20:29 utc | 290
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Iran is not Syria.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 20:39 utc | 300