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June 23, 2025
Proliferation, Retaliation, And Other Consequences Of The War On Iran

There are several aspects of the U.S. and Israeli attacks on nuclear facilities that deserve further discussions:

  • Non-proliferation issues
  • Retaliation by Iran
  • Consequences of unlawful behavior

Before the U.S. and Israeli strikes on its nuclear facilities Iran was a long standing member of the Treaty for the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The IAEA, tasked with verifying the adherence to the NPT, was able to inspect Iranian facilities. It knew, down to the milligram, how much enriched Uranian Iran had produced and where it was stored.

Western intelligence services as well as the IAEA did not only confirm that Iran had no nuclear weapons. They confirmed that Iran did not even have a nuclear weapon program. There were no plans to produce any weapons.

All that is now in doubt.

The NPT's objective was to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology and to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. The second part was the reason why non-nuclear nations have joined the treaty.

The U.S. demand that Iran should stop all enrichment of Uranium, as needed for civilian nuclear reactors, and the attack on Iran's peaceful nuclear facilities make it obvious that Iran is getting deprived of all the positive elements the NPT had promised. There are also serious concerns that the IAEA has leaked the names of Iranian nuclear scientists to Israel which in the end led to their assassinations.

From Iran's side a continuation of its membership in the NPT and any cooperation with the IAEA have lost their purpose. There is no longer any reason to stay within the agreement. Iran is likely to leave the NPT.

That does mean, and does not make it more likely, that Iran will start to produce nuclear weapons. There are principal, religiously bound reasons why it has so far refrained from doing so. Those have not changed.

Iran has said that it had moved all enriched Uranium from its Fordow enrichment site shortly before the U.S. strike on the installation:

A senior Iranian source claimed to Reuters that before the U.S. attack on the Fordow nuclear facility last night (Sunday), all of the stock of enriched uranium at the site was transferred to another location.

At the same time, satellite images captured a large convoy moving near the underground nuclear facility two days before the attack. It is believed that this may be documentation of the transfer of the enriched material.

Some 400 kilogram of Uranium, enriched to 60% of U-235 isotopes needed for fission chain reactions, were squirreled away. The IAEA does not know where they are. Iran also still has a sufficient numbers of its most modern centrifuges needed for further enrichment. It can produced more if it needs those. Iran also has several other bunkers, similar to the Fordow and Natanz sites, which were build and equipped to eventually house additional enrichment facilities. Those sites are not (yet) known to the IAEA and have never been inspected.

I do expect that Iran will leave the NPT. It will 'go dark' about its nuclear program. It will not announce where it will do what with the nuclear material it has. The IAEA will no longer be allowed to have knowledge of it. This will make Iran a 'latent' nuclear weapon state even while it refrains from having a nuclear weapon.

Some might argue that Iran will not do that as it would make further U.S. attacks on it more likely.

Hello? The U.S. has just attacked Iran without ANY cause. It is likely to do so again, independent of whether Iran stays with the NPT rules or not.

Being a 'latent' nuclear weapon state constitutes an additional deterrence. The longer Iran stays in that state, the higher the risk for any attacker to be countered by nuclear means.

The attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities were not done to prevent it from getting nuclear weapons. The attacks are to provoke a violent response which can then be used to launch an all out war with the end-purpose of regime change in Iran.

[The Israeli government launched its attacks on Iran under the operation name 'Rising Lion'.

The flag on the left is the flag of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The flag on the right, depicting a lion in front of the rising sun, is the flag of Iran under the former dictatorship of the Shah. The U.S. and Israel are currently promoting the son of the deposed Shah of Iran as the future leader of the country. 'Rising Lion' was and is thus an obvious reference to a regime change operation in Iran.]

There is however no easy way to regime change Iran. The Iranian society is largely standing behind its government. That government is well established and seen as legitimate. It does not depend on one person. Even the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is easily replaceable. The regular military is counterbalanced with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. This makes a military coup plot untenable.

Unless there is a large scale foreign land invasion, supported by this or that minority in Iran, there is no chance to topple the Islamic Republic. The U.S. no longer has the Cold-War army that would potentially be able to do such.

Iran is likely to take additional measures in revenge for the attack on its nuclear facilities. It may well launch a symbolic strike against one U.S. base in the Gulf. But it is unlikely to do an all out attack on all U.S. assets in the Gulf region. That is still an option but it will be reserved for later.

Any measures taken now in response to the attacks on its nuclear facilities will likely by designed to NOT give the U.S. a pretext for additional attacks on Iran.

The main enemy of Iran is still Israel. Iran has established an attritional war against it. Daily attacks by drones and medium range missiles against Israel are designed to deplete its air defenses. Only after that is done will the strikes get more serious. Israel depends on air defenses manufactured and provided by the U.S. Their production is limited and it depends on the availability of rare materials. China is currently withholding rare earth licenses from U.S. weapon producers. This will further decrease the availability of air defense items.

Israel knows that it can not sustain an attritional war with Iran:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday said that Israel aims to avoid a "war of attrition" with Iran, the Times of Israel reported.

"We won't pursue our actions beyond what is needed to achieve [the goals], but we also won't finish too soon," Netanyahu was quoted as saying.

It is not for Netanyahoo to decide when the current war ends. (Just like it is not for Zelenski to decide when there will be a ceasefire in Ukraine.) Israel is already in a war of attrition. Iran will continue to wage it.

Iran will, as said, avoid a direct war with the U.S. military as long as it can. But it will implement measures that will squeeze the U.S. as best as it can. It is likely to close the Strait of Hormuz for all energy transports that are destined to reach countries which support its enemies. Transports to China, India and global south countries will continue. U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, and the U.S. itself, will suffer. Oil prices will increase – at least for those who oppose Iran.

To implement that does not even require openly hostile measures. Loud announcements, plus a few explosions next to tankers going from the Gulf towards Rotterdam, is all that is needed to deprive any such transports of insurance. The global 'free' markets create the consequences.

When the price of oil reaches above $100 per barrel the U.S. economy will move into a recession. During the midterm election the Republican party will lose the majority in the House and Senate. Trump will become a lame duck.

Trump attacked Iran without even an attempt to provide a sound reasoning. There was no false flag incident or any serious argument of weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. attacked Iran simply because it could do so.

Trump is thereby not only in breach of the U.S. constitution, which requires Congress to declare a war. The U.S. war of aggression against Iran is also a breach of the U.S. Charter. Its attacks on civil nuclear installations is a breach of the Additional Protocols of the Geneva Convention which prohibits these.

We are now in a new world disorder:

The first major consequence, in broader terms, is that this strike dealt a final, irreparable blow to what little remained of the post-war international legal and institutional framework. That order was already in tatters — shredded by a year and a half of Western-backed genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. But this latest attack makes it official: Western powers no longer feel the need to cloak their actions in legality, morality or even the façade of diplomatic legitimacy.

Today, even that pretense is gone. In Gaza, and now with the strikes on Iran, the gloves are fully off. What we’re witnessing is a regression to a kind of global lawlessness — a “might makes right” free-for-all where nothing is off limits: not the mass slaughter of civilians, not the bombing of nuclear sites, not even the complete sidelining of international institutions.

That the U.S. is doing this, with open support of its European proxies, is not only a danger for the international system but also for the domestic population of these countries:

This isn’t only a threat to international security. It’s also a profound threat to what little freedoms we still have left within the West itself. Make no mistake: the Western ruling classes’ open embrace of Mafia-style gangsterism abroad also means that they will have no qualms about brushing aside whatever ethical, legal, constitutional and democratic constrains that still stand in the way of their desperate, hallucinatory bid to preserve the crumbling order.

We have already seen this in the illegitimate suppression of protests against the genocide in Gaza. It will proliferate from there. The West is, slowly but accelerating, sliding from a 'rule of law' status into the darkness of unbound fascism. It is on us to prevent that.

Comments

Up until now the Gulf states have been knifing Iran in the back while smiling graciously to it’s face.
Today the smiles are gone and we just have the knifing.
Sometimes it’s best to simplify ones relationships.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 17:29 utc | 101

Poor President No New Wars!
A fake but also real war not of his choice but also well documented to be a long term choice of his has been foisted on him and his antiwar America (but also Israel) First humble MAGA supporters by Clinton, Obama, Biden, the deep state, Democrats in general, the ice cream man, Legos, DEI and Netanyahoo. Poor poor Trump! He REALLY didn’t but did want a war on Iran!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 17:29 utc | 102

At least 3 explosions have been confirmed in US Qatar air base on video. Reportedly US base in Bahrain has also suffered impacts.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 23 2025 17:29 utc | 103

B put up the 2 iran flags and… the rebel Alliance symbol from Star Wars shares a resemblance to the central emblem on the current Iranian flag
the force is strong with this one, bomb or bomb not, try not

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 23 2025 17:29 utc | 104

NemesisCalling | Jun 23 2025 17:15 utc | 75
“What I don’t understand about letting another country bomb you so the other can save face, is that if Trump had to bomb Iran’s empty nuclear sites as a show, and if we as plebs in this whole affair knew this, then certainly the neocons would know this is just a show…
So why did he need to do it?”
I suppose that except for true-believer Christian-Zionist fanatics, the neocons also will ultimately accept the kayfabe as sufficient to tell the Zionists the US did its duty by them, if pragmatism demands it.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 23 2025 17:30 utc | 105

That is how the Global South has been living under the Western boot for centuries.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 17:24 utc | 94
I’ve traveled enough to know that VERY WELL.
Even without travel, someone could find this out by reading history, but for a huge majority that is a bridge too far.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 17:30 utc | 106

Dow spikes with the attack on US base MIC gets hard.

Posted by: jared | Jun 23 2025 17:30 utc | 107

Qataris are running under a sky filled with missiles and interceptors.
Western living comes at a cost.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 17:30 utc | 108

I think it’s time for “regime change by missile” all round in these crappy little family run Gulf corporations masquerading as countries …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 17:21 utc | 87
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Your words to Allah’s ear…

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 23 2025 17:31 utc | 109

is Iran doing with the clown-fest attacks? What is the point?
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 16:56 utc | 39

Either Iran has gone up the escalation ladder, or its theater. The power plants are still running in Israel. If Iran wanted to escalate, it would hit those plants and shut off Israel’s power for months.
IF Iran also has shut down the Strait, then Iran is not thinking Strategically. You start major crap with the US, but leave Israel still viable? If Iran hit Israel’s power plants, the Leviathan gas facilities, AND THEN hit the US, I could understand.
Maybe it’s theater. There are holes to this story and we may never know.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 17:31 utc | 110

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 17:30 utc | 106
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The best lessons often have a bitter tinge.
We learn more from pain than from pleasure.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 17:32 utc | 111

Iran has just attacked Qatar and Iraqi U.S. bases

Posted by: Boardindundee | Jun 23 2025 17:32 utc | 112

I’ll say it, Trumps mission is to both show the people how insane and cruel the edomite regime has been and is. Not only that but to show the people how the edomite control system that has been in place for a long time. To show the people just how the entity has gotten it’s will in politics around the world. The culmination is the destruction of the Federal Reserve, the Media, and the power that has been taken from us. This is what I have researched and believe.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 17:32 utc | 113

B,
Last week you labeled Trump a cunt->Taco for not attacking Iran and this week you label him a war-criminal for attacking Iran.
By contrast:
I was against Trump attacking Iran and disgusted with the rhetoric coming out of the White House a priori to the attack and the attack itself, whether it’s Kabuki or not. I spoke out on that matter not only here but, also to the White House staffers personally, by email and to my congressman and Senators staff.
We all change our views on subjects but, this ever-changing-highly-fluid politicized positioning visa vie Trump is an intellectually dishonest form of discourse. Let’s try having a little intellectual consistency. We don’t know the fall out of all this because, we don’t know the level of involvement by Iran in this subterfuge. As I said yesterday, the tell will be how the Russians treat this matter.
Factoid: Whether I approved of it or not, his unwarranted “attack”, for better or worse, put Netanyahu in an untenable position and took all the air out of the neocolonialists/neocons War Against Russia in ex-ukrainia.
So, let me do something the most expert & prolific commenters here can not do, let me admit that I may have been wrong, this “thing” whatever it was, might a very clever ploy that cuts the Gordian Knot of neocolonialists/neocon DC.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 23 2025 17:32 utc | 114

And oil down 4.5%. Why did I fill up my tank?! *facepalm*

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 23 2025 17:33 utc | 115

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 23 2025 17:32 utc | 114
Shall someone research your history of intellectually honest and unbiased commentary on Genocide Joe and Democrats?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 17:35 utc | 116

The Gulf states cannot do anything back, bar a few strong words, unless they want their population to overthrow them. Checkmate.
The optics of them helping Israel attack Iran + helping genocide in Palestine goes against their belief. It would look like a religious war. If people were blind, now everyone’s eye’s are open.

Posted by: JH | Jun 23 2025 17:35 utc | 117

Either Iran has gone up the escalation ladder, or its theater. The power plants are still running in Israel. If Iran wanted to escalate, it would hit those plants and shut off Israel’s power for months.
IF Iran also has shut down the Strait, then Iran is not thinking Strategically. You start major crap with the US, but leave Israel still viable? If Iran hit Israel’s power plants, the Leviathan gas facilities, AND THEN hit the US, I could understand.
Maybe it’s theater. There are holes to this story and we may never know.

Or, it could be the perfect time to shut down the strait (most likely with the ok from china) to hurt Israels allies in EU, like it or not, as long as israel gets “unlimited” support from US and EU, they will not give up. Take out (or neuter) the allies, israel will fall (eventually)

Posted by: Axxis | Jun 23 2025 17:36 utc | 118

Medvedev says that other countries (Pakistan?) are now offering nukes to Iran…That might be the easiest way to discourage Israel from more terrorism….

Posted by: pyrrhus | Jun 23 2025 17:37 utc | 119

I genuinely think about half of Trump’s supporters here were among the small crowd in Dallas last year, expecting JFK to emerge alive and well and take us to Q’s promised land.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 17:37 utc | 120

Seems Iran is using smallish old missiles to “feel out” the Gulf states AD. Qatar, Bahrein Saudi etc. have spent a lot of money for them, so it is interesting to see if they work or if they are just a lot of vapourware.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 23 2025 17:38 utc | 121

I think one of the purposes of the Iran attack on the US Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar is to showcase their ability to deliver strikes through existing empire AD and secondarily will be the extent of damage on the ground?
Will the US Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar be rebuilt or abandoned?
I am liking reading that Iran also struck US sites in Iraq….are US illegal sites in Syria next?
What are next moves by both sides?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 23 2025 17:39 utc | 122

CNN reported, “Qatar’s defense ministry said its air defenses “successfully” intercepted a missile attack targeting the Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, adding that the attack did not results in any deaths or injuries.”
Looks like theater. The video shows interceptors going up and exploding, but no signs of an intercept. Iran MIGHT have launched, using sub sonic cruise missiles for an easy intercept. Or they didn’t launch anything.
Hopefully that’s it, and Iran can get back to destroying Israel.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 17:40 utc | 123

Medvedev says that other countries (Pakistan?) are now offering nukes to Iran…That might be the easiest way to discourage Israel from more terrorism….
Posted by: pyrrhus | Jun 23 2025 17:37 utc | 119
Did you read trump’s answer @33?

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 23 2025 17:41 utc | 125

A question that never gets asked (or answered): Why would Iran use a nuke?
The only enemy target within range of its delivery systems is Israel. The problem is that most of its allies in the axis of resistance would be impacted: Hezbullah, the West Bank, and Gaza. Prevailing winds would blow the radiation east and southeast…potentially right back over Iran itself.
Why would Iran nuke itself and its friends? The whole nuclear bomb scare is simply fearmongering.
If Iran was really concerned about creating a weapon of mass destruction, it would more than likely have invested heavily in research and development of a non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse bomb which could be sized to wipe out the electrical grid, systems and devices of Tel Aviv and central Israel.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb3.htm

Posted by: JohnH | Jun 23 2025 17:41 utc | 126

so officially its 14 missiles with 3 confirmed hits? thats not a 99% intercept rate.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 17:41 utc | 127

I am liking reading that Iran also struck US sites in Iraq….are US illegal sites in Syria next?
What are next moves by both sides?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 23 2025 17:39 utc | 122
Allegedly a base in Syria was hit this morning US time.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 17:41 utc | 128

How much AD ammo exists in the west after three years of Ukraine, 2 years of Hamas and Hezbollah rocket attacks, war with Iran, and now US regional bases?

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 23 2025 17:42 utc | 129

I’m sure you don’t deny the absolute carnage that has been committed in the name of Zionism or Mr. Pike’s little fantasy. What would be wrong in doing away with it? Just take your shots and pay your taxes and it’ll be ok.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 17:42 utc | 130

Qatar allows the US to maintain a base for its aggressions on the understanding that the US will defend it against its own population which includes not only indentured labour but actual chattel slaves.
The threat of popular uprising against dictatorial bandits calling themselves Emirs, Kings, Sultans is what is at the centre of the calculations that imperialist stooges such as the ‘King’of Bahrain- the sunni descendant of Bedouin nomad raiders who were persuaded, by the British, not to go back home after a looting expeditin on the shiah townspeople of the port city- make when they agree to host US naval and military forces.
Eighty years of mind boggling enormities in Palestine, the last two years of genocide and the real threat of war including nuclear action which would make most of these settlements on the Gulf uninhabitable, is likely to have brought anti-imperialist, anti-zionist and nationalist Arab opinion close to the boiling point.
And the manly determination of (never conquered) Yemen and ansurullah has been a powerful example if not quite a catalyst.
It is often forgotten that much of the population of the Gulf coast is sympathetic to shi-ism- the oil rich eastern provinces of ‘Saudi’ Arabia for example has been subject to decades of brutal persecution for not subscribing to wahhabi obscurantist dogma. The entire country, so loyal to ‘western’ values is constructed on dungeons supervised by Mossad trained torturers of the sort who used to keep the ‘Shah’s Iran in the Free World.
It is just a matter of time before the whole post Ottoman world in Arabia explodes and takes Turkey, Egypt and Israel with it.
Is Iran’s refusal to bow and the Russian Chinese determination not to allow it to be conquered not likely to prove to be catalyst enough to initiate the fall?

Posted by: bevin | Jun 23 2025 17:42 utc | 131

Energy prices have fallen in response to Iran not attacked energy facilities in the Gulf.
Still no evidence the straits have been closed.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132996
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WAS AWARE OF IN ADVANCE OF IRAN’S ATTACK ON AL-UDEID AIRBASE – AXIOS REPORTER ON X
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132999

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 17:42 utc | 132

If Iran launch a moderate retaliation against the USA then all factors can declare victory. Of course, there is also a hot issue about poor Palestinians. At the best case we will get back to the state before attack on Iran.

Posted by: Grey Cloud | Jun 23 2025 17:43 utc | 133

The Russians should take a huge note of how Iran fights wars… no pussy footing around.
Hit the ‘decision’ centres like a real leader, not become complacent. How many times are they going to
bomb Ukraine to the stone ages, going onto the 3rd year.

Posted by: TheTurk | Jun 23 2025 17:44 utc | 134

The Zionist cabal is the same as the NWO cabal, different actors, same ideology.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 17:45 utc | 135

“Press TV commentator suggesting that Iran feels comfortable with the damage done to Israel so far, and therefore use some of its resources can attack US assets in the region. Also, the meeting in Russia has finished I believe.”
I would not feel comfortable unless no stone stands on another, anywhere in Israel.
Israel needs to be removed as a physical entity.
Pursue that goal relentlessly.

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 23 2025 17:46 utc | 136

For some reason I’m being blocked from reading beyond the headlines ‘Iran Launches Strikes on US Bases in Iraq and Qatar’…Updates appreciated and let’s be careful out there.

Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | Jun 23 2025 17:46 utc | 137

Supposed Qatar video. Looks like theater. No ground hits. Likely Iran sent over sub sonic cruise missiles that were easy to hit.
https://x.com/OANN/status/1937194809388859881
CNN reported, “Qatar’s defense ministry said its air defenses “successfully” intercepted a missile attack targeting the Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, adding that the attack did not results in any deaths or injuries.”
Shows over, hopefully Iran gets back to destroying Israel.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 17:47 utc | 138

It’s laughable that even the market didn’t flinch (quite the contrary). Oil prices are now down. Outside of Qatari using some of those expensive Patriot interceptor missiles (which could’ve been sent to Israel), I don’t see anything beneficial for Iran.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 17:47 utc | 139

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 17:47 utc | 139
OK 007, so they are just supposed to meekly stand round and wait for regime change (return of the Shah) to occur instead?

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jun 23 2025 17:49 utc | 140

iran pounds what?
why are the lights still on in is ra heil hell?
how dem water power stations still gener ratin
how come the khazhars still have nice fresh water
how come all the footage is 3 sec shaky cam
plato cave play
a zio dream within a dream
have the mullahs damaged the gaza killing machine
looks like all parties have swiss bank accounts B I S rottenshield

Posted by: dan | Jun 23 2025 17:50 utc | 141

@JohnH 126
It’s been said by Iran that they don’t need nuclear since they have ballistic missiles. This was before the start of this war. No one knew they real power of ballistic’s until this war as a testing ground for this theory.
Also, the only reason to get nuclear (if they decide to), would be to act as a deterrent.
Then they would ask all their regional countries to make a decision:
a) Either we all make nuclear weapons which is not a good idea or
b) Dispose of nuclear weapons including Israel to sign NPA
The theory is option b) is cheaper, logical and more secure for the world.

Posted by: JH | Jun 23 2025 17:50 utc | 142

As of right now, crude oil is DOWN 5.3% from open. The markets must be “pricing in” a devastating Iranian defeat. We’ll see about that…

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 23 2025 17:51 utc | 143

OK 007, so they are just supposed to meekly stand round and wait for regime change (return of the Shah) to occur instead?
Posted by: Night Tripper | Jun 23 2025 17:49 utc | 140
: See Israel, whose regime is changing?

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 17:51 utc | 144

134 – When the Israelis attacked Syria under Assad, his government or military would issue a statement that retaliation would occur at the appropriate time – which never seemed to happen. Overall it just seemed weak and is perhaps one reason Assad’s government is no longer there, even if the current “Islamist” incumbent challenges the Zionists even less and even collaborates.
Perhaps Iran does not wish to go down that path? Strength matters.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 23 2025 17:52 utc | 145

Trump has generated a trend that appears to be gaining momentum.
I am seeing use of very imaginative imagery to take a dig at what Trump did to Iran.
Enjoy the laugh
https://x.com/TheMaineWonk/status/1936973016920928290

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 17:52 utc | 146

JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 17:47 utc | 139
Oil down because oil facilities not (yet) targeted. Speculation on a foggy future and subjet to change at any time.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 23 2025 17:52 utc | 147

Oil down because oil facilities not (yet) targeted. Speculation on a foggy future and subjet to change at any time.
Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 23 2025 17:52 utc | 147
Nominative determinism.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 17:54 utc | 148

The largest and most important US military base in the Middle East is called Israel. Iran would do well to concentrate on that one and render it indefensible, unhabitable: turn off the lights, turn off the water, eliminate access and egress of people and materials, eliminate all military and economic infrastructure. Until the rest of the world acheives sufficient strategic mass to attack the US directly, eliminating the current Israeli government is the only way to end the 50-year Palestinian/West Asian conflict.

Posted by: c | Jun 23 2025 17:57 utc | 149

The Persian Gulf is doomed.
Iran is persistently pushed not just to block the Strait of Hormuz, but to destroy its neighbors’ oil and gas complexes, and if not, then the United States will beat itself.
The US is not bothered by Iran’s nuclear status, they are bothered by the existence of production complexes in the Persian Gulf, oil and gas from which go to China and the EU.
The authorities in Tehran really want to reach an agreement, they dragged out a military agreement with Russia until the last minute, ignored the “death” of Ibrahim Raisi (1960-2024) and many similar signals, but the US does not plan to reach an agreement, they do not need half measures.
The US wants the Persians to start shooting at their neighbors. If that means sacrificing a couple of old aircraft carriers that are about to be decommissioned, so be it.
The aging Iranian authorities, like the Soviet leaders of the 1970s during the stagnation era, do not want drastic changes, a return to wartime, but they are not being asked, the roles have been assigned.
So, it begins…

Posted by: Esophagus | Jun 23 2025 17:58 utc | 150

Posted by: dan | Jun 23 2025 17:50 utc | 141
Good questions Dan.
Getting electricity, water and their diaper supplies would clear out the psychopaths out of that place.
But hey, I’m just guy behind a keyboard.
Plato’s cave play sound good

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 17:58 utc | 151

@140,
Of course not, but Iran doesn’t see that Shah puppet relevant at the moment. Israel made sure of it when they launch their dumb “sneak-attack” a week ago.
But attacks like these which are clearly face saving, don’t really help Iran with anything relevant. Again, we already know that the puppets in the region are working overtime for US & Israel. Sure, we now have confirmation that they will even intercept this meager assault on a base that was already EMPTY.
Iran needs to survive at this moment and that means making sure it (at least) keeps some of its enemies at bay. Stupid assaults like this that don’t get any wins have a tendency to give a wrong impression to your enemies. Maybe it helps the morale at home but I can’t really tell, not sure if there any Iranians on this forum.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 17:58 utc | 152

Medvedev: “a number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads”
Would that be a short list?
– Pakistan
– North Korea
– South Africa
It would be ironic if Iran were to receive a design from South Africa. The – now dismantled – South African bomb was built with Israeli help.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 23 2025 18:01 utc | 153

Assad never struck back at USA or israHELL. Even performatively. Where is Assad now and how is Syria doing? Same for Qaddafi and Libya. Iran has, multiple times. Do the math.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 18:01 utc | 154

Well put, b.
An Oz military wonk, whose name I’ve forgotten, and was in great demand during the early days of the Fake War On Terror, thinks that Iran focus all its attention on wrecking Wasrael.
DW’s Kings College military wonk, Marina Miron, thinks Iran can successfully maintain a closure of the Hormuz Straits until it damages the World Economy.
I think they’re both right.
I also think that Jews are as cunning as foxes and dumber than rockses.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 23 2025 18:01 utc | 155

Iran is clearly showing the Arabs as well as USreal who has steel balls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df6HnzD3BUs&ab_channel=TRTWorld
It’s about time it was done in such a large format.
How sad that Quaddafi is not alive to enjoy it. However to get to this point it was planned that he disappear, as also done with Saddam.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 18:05 utc | 156

“Unless there is a large scale foreign land invasion, supported by this or that minority in Iran, there is no chance to topple the Islamic Republic. The U.S. no longer has the Cold-War army that would potentially be able to do such.”
The US military fights for money. To get something out of it, you have to live.
They withdrew from Vietnam and Afghanistan, for example, and Vietnam was still the time of the Cold War. Serbia was not even attacked with ground troops, Iraq only after years of Sead operations. Iraq also lacked the ideological core that Sadam’s tyranny could not offer.
If the Wehrmacht had had a comparably strong air force and undisturbed production and logistics, the USA would not have got far. Next to the death courage of the Red Army soldiers, the GI’s looked like 360 degree continuous fire pussies.
Who actually remembers the Mosul bombing, as part of ‘Operation Inherent Resolve’ against IS?
Wiki says

The objective was the recapture of the IS stronghold of Mosul, which began in October 2016 and ended after nine months in July 2017. The operation comprised several phases of approach, seizure and finally complete control of the city. ”
You can see the “city” here.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/gallery/2018/4/29/mosul-post-isil-a-city-struggling-to-rebuild
The US has the mindset of a criminal, not a hero of self sacrifice.
The whole US concept consists of a power imbalance favouring the US.
The people around it already live in houses made of stone, have health insurance and other nice things. But the US is looking for a bigger baseball bat.

Posted by: BlindSpot | Jun 23 2025 18:05 utc | 157

S Brennan 114,
Shall someone research your history of intellectually honest and unbiased commentary on Genocide Joe and Democrats? Tom_Q_Collins 116
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Please do document where I was pro-war under Team-Biden and now anti-war under Trump or pro-unlimited-immigration under Team-Biden and now anti-unlimited-immigration under Trump or any pro/anti-issue under Team-Biden and the opposite under Trump. Just links, not your endless verbal diarrhea. Since you volunteered you better get busy..it may cut into you putting in every other comment but, I’m sure Dumbass will fill your breach with an endless stream of expectorants…

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 23 2025 18:06 utc | 158

Max Blumenthal speculating on Trump’s state of mind during this war crisis:

“There’s been no salesmanship at all. You can tell his [Trump’s] heart isn’t in it [having the US involved in the Israel/Iran war]. You can tell that he actually doesn’t want to do it. He said “No one knows what I’m going to do today.” That’s because he doesn’t know what he’s going to do, because he can’t figure out which way to go. He’s under so much pressure from Netanyahu and the forces and Netanyahu’s assets, and I think Trump is actually afraid after withstanding two assassination attempts that if he resists Netanyahu it could unleash something very dark within the US.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pSFw6Gn4E8
The bolded part is how it looks to me. It has me pretty scared. The rest of the quoted subject is even further beyond my ken, but I continue to find the speculation on it morbidly interesting.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 23 2025 18:08 utc | 159

@152
Qatar paid and continues to pay US MIC for a modern long range radar, that does look for air and missile tracks from Iran. The radar facility is on Al Udeid reservation.
A similar radar was built in Taiwan.
Probably worth shooting a few interceptor to keep the investment.
Not that Iran should ruin a billion buck investment.

Posted by: paddy | Jun 23 2025 18:10 utc | 160

The West is, slowly but accelerating, sliding from a ‘rule of law’ status into the darkness of unbound fascism. It is on us to prevent that.

You’re right, but the only way out would be massive bolshevik style uprising and the necessary mass scale political purges afterwards (Draining of the swamp in contemporary lingo).
Given our gerontocratic societies with a dwindling number of angsty depoliticized youngsters, I don’t see that happening any time soon. The only hope, the only ones with the necessary will and energy, are the young migrants, but seeing how they’re constantly demonized, I don’t hold my breath.
Fascism it will be then. It’s not always true, but in our case, it will be an obvious case of having the government we deserve.

Posted by: Jean Meslier | Jun 23 2025 18:10 utc | 161

re: Hormuz.
The Iranians don’t need to close it. They need to do what the Houthis do. Selective passage.
Announcing that they “may” close it is enough to increase insurance rates and test risk tolerance of fleet owners.
I can imagine part of the Chinese navy helping maintain the blockade. A lot of Iranian oil goes across Asia, including India, SE Asia, etc.
Like China cutting off the US from magnets and rare earths, Iran has America and the West by the balls wrt oil.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 18:10 utc | 162

It’s laughable that even the market didn’t flinch (quite the contrary). Oil prices are now down. Outside of Qatari using some of those expensive Patriot interceptor missiles (which could’ve been sent to Israel), I don’t see anything beneficial for Iran.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 17:47 utc | 139
If you think Iran should win purely through force of arms, you’re exactly correct.
If you think, as I do, that Iran’s kayfabe is similar to that of Trump’s America and guided towards a similar purpose, you’re as wrong as can be. Hint: in the face of such a mild attack, a false flag blowing up an aircraft carrier will look ridiculous even to Americans.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 18:11 utc | 163

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 23 2025 18:06 utc | 158
What the fuck are you even talking about. Pro-anti-abti-pro blah blah blah, what?
The question was has the hypocrite Trumper S Brennan ever applied objective analysis or logic to ANYTHING related to Biden or Democrats.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 18:12 utc | 164

Wake me when the war starts.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 18:12 utc | 165

Al Mayadeen: Updating shortnews
https://english.almayadeen.net/shortnews
20:10 “IRGC statement: We targeted Aludeid base in Qatar with a powerful and devastating missile attack as part of Operation Annunciation Of Victory…This base is the headquarters of the Air Force and the largest strategic asset of the terrorist American army in the West Asia region…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 18:13 utc | 166

If every missile is intercepted won’t that embolden US to be more active thinking that Iran is weak?
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 17:20 utc | 86
Probably Iran hopes the orange will consider it as a finished deal and limit himself to bragging how he intercepted 150% of them.

Posted by: rk | Jun 23 2025 18:14 utc | 167

Regime change in Venezuela, a country without nukes and only 5 miles down the road from florida, was another shambles by the joke that never stops. Think it’s time to admit that the US has collapsed, as in it’s non relevant to the world, like London, Berlin and Paris.

Posted by: Ogre | Jun 23 2025 18:14 utc | 168

About Qatar,
It’s interesting to me that they’ve been a focus of hasbara for some time. I follow some Zionist voices on Twitter (to gauge the temperature), and they blame Qatar for a lot. They say it floods American universities with money, and Tucker Carlson for example has the nickname Tucker Qatar-lson.
I don’t know they chose Qatar as their bogeyman.

Posted by: Afro | Jun 23 2025 18:15 utc | 169

It makes sense for The Islamic Republic of Iran to maintain its military focus on The Zionist entity.
This is also the best route to “weakening” US power in the region.
I see no rationale for Iran to close Hormuz at the mo.
@ b
On Fascism – sadly, agree.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 23 2025 18:15 utc | 170

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pSFw6Gn4E
Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 23 2025 18:08 utc | 159
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I recommend watching the whole video, though. MB is erudite, keeps it short and sweet, doesn’t ramble. All about how PDJT is fairly simple to control and manipulate if the “controller” possesses a modicum of focus and stamina.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 23 2025 18:17 utc | 171

@ Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 23 2025 18:08 utc | 159
Well, Trump would like you to believe that he is not happy about what he is doing.
In fact, I suspect that he has people who are actively spreading that impression.
It is pretty unfortunate timing (the collapse of support, of his own supporters) – what with his struggles to push through a substantial increase in funding of the military, while cutting spending on social benefit programs.

Posted by: jared | Jun 23 2025 18:21 utc | 172

🇺🇸 “Everyone knows it!” – Trump says that the facilities that were hit in Iran were all destroyed and anyone saying otherwise is “fake news.”
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153341
Right.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 18:23 utc | 173

Looks like Irans missile strike on US base in Qatar is all theatre, advance notice given and zero damage. Just face saving exercise for domestic public.

Posted by: Starlight | Jun 23 2025 18:24 utc | 174

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 23 2025 18:06 utc | 158
That didn’t take long. You’ve only been here since late 2024, but really hit the ground running after Trump’s inauguration. And given that short timeframe, you’ve primarily focused on assassination conspiracy theories as a means of Trump failure apologia or as pre-emptive explanations for why he wouldn’t ever dare cross Israel (despite his obvious affinity for Zionism and clear lack of motive to ever cross them in the first place).
Paraphrasing – S Brennan: ‘But b…. You are wrong! Trump CAN’T go against Bibi! The 3LAs are controlled by the satanist-democrat-zionist-pedophile cabal and they’ll all assassinate him if he ever says a mean word about Israel in anything but hushed tones or does something they might not like unless it’s well disguised 8-D chess!’

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 23 2025 18:24 utc | 175

🇮🇷 Intense air defense activity reported in Tehran.

this is probably why the airspaces over all those other countries were cleared. did israel “borrow” all those american planes that had to be relocated? pure speculation on my part to be honest, but if this iranian “attack” was staged and known, then im sure israel would exploit it.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 18:25 utc | 176

I doubt this is going to stay oil prices much. Donnie can bristle and threaten Wall Street about shorts but who’s he kidding? These are all insider deals anyway. These are his backers!

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Jun 23 2025 18:26 utc | 177

The New York Times: Trump Has No Intention to Respond to Iran’s Attack.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/133008
How does the New York Times know this?
🇺🇸🇮🇱 Did you know that the U.S. State Department Spokesperson Tammy Bruce represents “the greatest country on earth… next to Israel?”
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/43181
If Israel falls, who will run the US?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 18:29 utc | 178

Maybe it’s theater. There are holes to this story and we may never know.
Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 17:31 utc | 110
This reminds me of Futurama season 2 episode 18 The Problem with Popplers, where Lur is going to eat Leila, but Erath switches her out with a monkey with a fake ponytail. Lur has a hard time telling the difference, but the people of Earth notice and start to murmur. To prevent the crowd from spoiling the ruse Zap, using the PA system, says “people of Earth, shh.”
And in a cartoon, it works. It shouldn’t work in reality. Certainly not during a war. But serious people in leading roles are playing along as if the narrative bore more than a slight resemblence to objective reality. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 23 2025 18:31 utc | 179

“Press TV commentator suggesting that Iran feels comfortable with the damage done to Israel
pounding grass tarmac empty airfields of fake nations use Qatar because all the work is done in is not real?
they feel comfortable with play acting with khazharian children of satochan.
while moloch baphomet keep eating the folks in Gaza.
had an email today from someone in haifa it went I will email you later just off for a sauna and a swim.
why do the swimming pools still work in is ra hell. do you not need Tesla ac electric to run a sauna
plato cave 3 sec shaky cam war
what a low budget B I S bank shit show

Posted by: dan | Jun 23 2025 18:31 utc | 180

From the available footage of the missile barrage on Qatar, it seems obvious to me that Iran is causing the interceptors to be spent in rapid deployment at what seems to be drones. Knowing that there already is a shortage of the interceptors since Ukraine used up loads of them, this spells doom for the so called “missile defenses” of the west. When the last interceptors are spent, Iran might use balloons to drop explosives.

Posted by: Nottheonly1 | Jun 23 2025 18:32 utc | 181

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 18:12 utc | 165
Wake me when the war starts
Hey, maybe it’s just a 21st century model of peace.
Sounds like another green flag to me

Posted by: john | Jun 23 2025 18:34 utc | 182

Taking a stab, based on oil market reaction:
1. Iran doesn’t hit Israel power plants,Leviathan, or the Straits.
2. Government/military targets in Israel still on the table.
3. Israel/US don’t hit Kharg Island or other oil facilities.
In the background, Israel is screaming at Trump to get a deal. I think you’ll end up with a deal. The money men are tipped off which is why markets aren’t crashing. My only question is what kind of deal. Will Iran keep the ability to enrich Uranium? What sanctions will be lifted?
I personally hope Iran destroys Israel and ends the Gazacaust. But I can’t ignore what the money men have been doing. If it’s a deal, at least Netty won’t last long in power. Israel took a beating and the Haifa refinery will be down for some time.

Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 18:37 utc | 183

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 23 2025 17:30 utc | 105
Perhaps this will allow Iran to justify the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, since the victim cannot be expected to keep the perpetrator’s Transport routes open and thus promote his well-being, and this energy could in turn be used against Iran without justification again, right?

Posted by: BlindSpot | Jun 23 2025 18:37 utc | 184

🇺🇸 Reporters have been waiting for Trump’s response to three attack on Al-Udeid Base, but he’s busy fighting “fake news”
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153343

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 18:38 utc | 185

Norwegian @ 178

Did you know that the U.S. State Department Spokesperson Tammy Bruce represents “the greatest country on earth… next to Israel?”

If Israel falls then America will be Number One and Trump will have succeed at Making America Great Again. Just thinking out loud, maybe The Donald is reading this? Make Us Number 1, Make Us Number 1!!! Everyone cheer along! Do a wave!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 23 2025 18:39 utc | 186

When the last interceptors are spent, Iran might use balloons to drop explosives.
Posted by: Nottheonly1 | Jun 23 2025 18:32 utc | 181
They will love your for that idea.
Groucho Marx crew could be helpful in such a technical operation.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 18:39 utc | 187

Now Iran can return to its regularly scheduled program of eating Israel 1 bite at a time.
Fotros Resistance (AryJeay)
Fotros Resistance (AryJeay)
🇮🇷| Iran’s SNSC: The number of missiles used in this successful operation was the same as the number of bombs that the US had used in the attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. The attack posed no threat to the brotherly country of Qatar’s urban areas
🇮🇷🇺🇸| New York Times: Trump has no intention of responding to Iran attack.

Posted by: Mary | Jun 23 2025 18:39 utc | 188

Op Tidings of Victory
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/06/23/750070/op-herald-of-victory-pounds-us-military-bases-qatar-retaliation
“Iran pounds US military base in Qatar in retaliatory operation…”
FM Araghchi Says He Had ‘Very Good’ Meeting With Putin in Moscow
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/06/23/750068/fm-aragchi-very-good-meeting-with-putin-moscow
“Iran foreign minister says he held a very good meeting and detailed talks with the Russian president about the Israeli regime’s ongoing acts of aggression against Iran…”
Press TV LIVE
https://www.presstv.ir/Live
“Trump does not intend to respond to Iranian attack on US base in Qatar…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 18:39 utc | 189

Trump can’t respond, like Israel. Everyone knows he is impotent.
MAGA = weakness.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 18:51 utc | 190

In the background, Israel is screaming at Trump to get a deal. I think you’ll end up with a deal. The money men are tipped off which is why markets aren’t crashing. My only question is what kind of deal.
Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 18:37 utc | 183
The moneyed oligarchs want a deal. Netanyahu? Noooooo way. He’s not stupid enough to believe the mutual playacting between Iran and President Trump. A deal between Iran and the rest of the world might not include Israel.
That means the odds of Netanyahu being shot by his own security forces increases exponentially.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 18:51 utc | 191

30 minute video for any christians on moa who would like greater clarity on the topic of israel… this guy is good and breaks it down for anyone who identifies with the thoughts contained in the bible..
Are Christians Required by God to Support Israel — Even in Gaza and Iran? | “Hey Pastor Ben”
The Benjamin Dixon Show

Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 18:54 utc | 192

That means the odds of Netanyahu being shot by his own security forces increases exponentially.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 18:51 utc | 191
I believe that has already occurred. Inshalla?

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 18:57 utc | 193

Jack, I don’t think Iran makes a deal without ending occupation and Gazacide. May not be a deal for a while. The money men assume Iran is eager to deal, I suspect they’re eager to fight. Israelis are eager to flight

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 18:59 utc | 195

Iran Launches Missiles At Military Bases in Qatar And Iraq: LIVE UPDATES
https://www.rt.com/news/620165-us-joins-iran-bombing/
18:21 GMT
“Iranian Defence Minister Amir Nasirzadeh has spoken with his Russian counterpart, Andrey Belousov, Iranian media claim. ‘Our decision is to punish the aggressor with all our might, and we will not accept an imposed peace,’the statement quoted by IRNA reads.
It also quoted Belousov, saying that Russia will support Iran.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 18:59 utc | 196

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ADCeXkq_s
Solid info on the cost of war to Israel. Iran needs to have them publicly beg for a ceasefire. This is not unthinkable.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 23 2025 19:00 utc | 197

as fazi from today ( substack article).
Gangster empire: what the bombing of Iran reveals about the West
We have now entered a new phase of Western-led global savagery — prefigured by the genocide in Gaza — in which all pretences have been dropped and only the logic of raw, unrestrained violence remains
Thomas Fazi
Jun 23, 2025
Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 18:58 utc | 194
So savage no one has died.

Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:00 utc | 198

“Paul Craig Roberts: Iran Strikes the US Al-Udeid Base in Qatar”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olK178dNNIU
Roberts let lose some truth bombs.
Just like some here, he also doubts Putin’s game relative Iran, but he basis this on Helmer. Supposedly there a secret clauses in the Iran-Russia agreements.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 19:00 utc | 199

@ thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 19:00 utc | 198
and you are full of shite.. what happened in iraq, libya, syria, afganistan and etc. etc.? take your bullshit elsewhere.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 19:04 utc | 200