Proliferation, Retaliation, And Other Consequences Of The War On Iran
There are several aspects of the U.S. and Israeli attacks on nuclear facilities that deserve further discussions:
- Non-proliferation issues
- Retaliation by Iran
- Consequences of unlawful behavior
Before the U.S. and Israeli strikes on its nuclear facilities Iran was a long standing member of the Treaty for the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The IAEA, tasked with verifying the adherence to the NPT, was able to inspect Iranian facilities. It knew, down to the milligram, how much enriched Uranian Iran had produced and where it was stored.
Western intelligence services as well as the IAEA did not only confirm that Iran had no nuclear weapons. They confirmed that Iran did not even have a nuclear weapon program. There were no plans to produce any weapons.
All that is now in doubt.
The NPT's objective was to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology and to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. The second part was the reason why non-nuclear nations have joined the treaty.
The U.S. demand that Iran should stop all enrichment of Uranium, as needed for civilian nuclear reactors, and the attack on Iran's peaceful nuclear facilities make it obvious that Iran is getting deprived of all the positive elements the NPT had promised. There are also serious concerns that the IAEA has leaked the names of Iranian nuclear scientists to Israel which in the end led to their assassinations.
From Iran's side a continuation of its membership in the NPT and any cooperation with the IAEA have lost their purpose. There is no longer any reason to stay within the agreement. Iran is likely to leave the NPT.
That does mean, and does not make it more likely, that Iran will start to produce nuclear weapons. There are principal, religiously bound reasons why it has so far refrained from doing so. Those have not changed.
Iran has said that it had moved all enriched Uranium from its Fordow enrichment site shortly before the U.S. strike on the installation:
A senior Iranian source claimed to Reuters that before the U.S. attack on the Fordow nuclear facility last night (Sunday), all of the stock of enriched uranium at the site was transferred to another location.At the same time, satellite images captured a large convoy moving near the underground nuclear facility two days before the attack. It is believed that this may be documentation of the transfer of the enriched material.
Some 400 kilogram of Uranium, enriched to 60% of U-235 isotopes needed for fission chain reactions, were squirreled away. The IAEA does not know where they are. Iran also still has a sufficient numbers of its most modern centrifuges needed for further enrichment. It can produced more if it needs those. Iran also has several other bunkers, similar to the Fordow and Natanz sites, which were build and equipped to eventually house additional enrichment facilities. Those sites are not (yet) known to the IAEA and have never been inspected.
I do expect that Iran will leave the NPT. It will 'go dark' about its nuclear program. It will not announce where it will do what with the nuclear material it has. The IAEA will no longer be allowed to have knowledge of it. This will make Iran a 'latent' nuclear weapon state even while it refrains from having a nuclear weapon.
Some might argue that Iran will not do that as it would make further U.S. attacks on it more likely.
Hello? The U.S. has just attacked Iran without ANY cause. It is likely to do so again, independent of whether Iran stays with the NPT rules or not.
Being a 'latent' nuclear weapon state constitutes an additional deterrence. The longer Iran stays in that state, the higher the risk for any attacker to be countered by nuclear means.
The attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities were not done to prevent it from getting nuclear weapons. The attacks are to provoke a violent response which can then be used to launch an all out war with the end-purpose of regime change in Iran.
[The Israeli government launched its attacks on Iran under the operation name 'Rising Lion'.
The flag on the left is the flag of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The flag on the right, depicting a lion in front of the rising sun, is the flag of Iran under the former dictatorship of the Shah. The U.S. and Israel are currently promoting the son of the deposed Shah of Iran as the future leader of the country. 'Rising Lion' was and is thus an obvious reference to a regime change operation in Iran.]
There is however no easy way to regime change Iran. The Iranian society is largely standing behind its government. That government is well established and seen as legitimate. It does not depend on one person. Even the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is easily replaceable. The regular military is counterbalanced with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. This makes a military coup plot untenable.
Unless there is a large scale foreign land invasion, supported by this or that minority in Iran, there is no chance to topple the Islamic Republic. The U.S. no longer has the Cold-War army that would potentially be able to do such.
Iran is likely to take additional measures in revenge for the attack on its nuclear facilities. It may well launch a symbolic strike against one U.S. base in the Gulf. But it is unlikely to do an all out attack on all U.S. assets in the Gulf region. That is still an option but it will be reserved for later.
Any measures taken now in response to the attacks on its nuclear facilities will likely by designed to NOT give the U.S. a pretext for additional attacks on Iran.
The main enemy of Iran is still Israel. Iran has established an attritional war against it. Daily attacks by drones and medium range missiles against Israel are designed to deplete its air defenses. Only after that is done will the strikes get more serious. Israel depends on air defenses manufactured and provided by the U.S. Their production is limited and it depends on the availability of rare materials. China is currently withholding rare earth licenses from U.S. weapon producers. This will further decrease the availability of air defense items.
Israel knows that it can not sustain an attritional war with Iran:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday said that Israel aims to avoid a "war of attrition" with Iran, the Times of Israel reported."We won't pursue our actions beyond what is needed to achieve [the goals], but we also won't finish too soon," Netanyahu was quoted as saying.
It is not for Netanyahoo to decide when the current war ends. (Just like it is not for Zelenski to decide when there will be a ceasefire in Ukraine.) Israel is already in a war of attrition. Iran will continue to wage it.
Iran will, as said, avoid a direct war with the U.S. military as long as it can. But it will implement measures that will squeeze the U.S. as best as it can. It is likely to close the Strait of Hormuz for all energy transports that are destined to reach countries which support its enemies. Transports to China, India and global south countries will continue. U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, and the U.S. itself, will suffer. Oil prices will increase - at least for those who oppose Iran.
To implement that does not even require openly hostile measures. Loud announcements, plus a few explosions next to tankers going from the Gulf towards Rotterdam, is all that is needed to deprive any such transports of insurance. The global 'free' markets create the consequences.
When the price of oil reaches above $100 per barrel the U.S. economy will move into a recession. During the midterm election the Republican party will lose the majority in the House and Senate. Trump will become a lame duck.
Trump attacked Iran without even an attempt to provide a sound reasoning. There was no false flag incident or any serious argument of weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. attacked Iran simply because it could do so.
Trump is thereby not only in breach of the U.S. constitution, which requires Congress to declare a war. The U.S. war of aggression against Iran is also a breach of the U.S. Charter. Its attacks on civil nuclear installations is a breach of the Additional Protocols of the Geneva Convention which prohibits these.
We are now in a new world disorder:
The first major consequence, in broader terms, is that this strike dealt a final, irreparable blow to what little remained of the post-war international legal and institutional framework. That order was already in tatters — shredded by a year and a half of Western-backed genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. But this latest attack makes it official: Western powers no longer feel the need to cloak their actions in legality, morality or even the façade of diplomatic legitimacy.
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Today, even that pretense is gone. In Gaza, and now with the strikes on Iran, the gloves are fully off. What we’re witnessing is a regression to a kind of global lawlessness — a “might makes right” free-for-all where nothing is off limits: not the mass slaughter of civilians, not the bombing of nuclear sites, not even the complete sidelining of international institutions.
That the U.S. is doing this, with open support of its European proxies, is not only a danger for the international system but also for the domestic population of these countries:
This isn’t only a threat to international security. It’s also a profound threat to what little freedoms we still have left within the West itself. Make no mistake: the Western ruling classes’ open embrace of Mafia-style gangsterism abroad also means that they will have no qualms about brushing aside whatever ethical, legal, constitutional and democratic constrains that still stand in the way of their desperate, hallucinatory bid to preserve the crumbling order.
We have already seen this in the illegitimate suppression of protests against the genocide in Gaza. It will proliferate from there. The West is, slowly but accelerating, sliding from a 'rule of law' status into the darkness of unbound fascism. It is on us to prevent that.
Posted by b on June 23, 2025 at 16:13 UTC | Permalink
next page »If part of the plan is to withdraw from the NPT and ban IAEA, wouldn't it make more sense to pretend that its centrifuges and enriched uranium had been destroyed? Play along to be left alone.
Russia and China can most effectively help Iran through non military means. Food, alternative routes to trade Iran's oil (especially if the straight is closed) and economic support along with political alignment.
Posted by: s | Jun 23 2025 16:23 utc | 2
The loudmouthed new yorker might be the first POTUS to be impeached three times.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 23 2025 16:25 utc | 3
if iran fires missiles at empty usa bases in qatar uae then this is more fiction story kabuki.
Posted by: dan | Jun 23 2025 16:25 utc | 4
listening to Doctorow w Diesel. He's talking about Intel failures of Mossad but that misses that Mossad is focused on persuading US as much as anything. (perhaps he'll get there, but it's obvious)
The US is at war with The Israel lobby, it's a giant face sucking parasite we're gonna have to root out and turn on. We can hope that Donnie is letting Israel hang themselves (as hopelessly hopeful as that is). I could see a logical thread to support this, but with Donnie he's all over the place. He could also use the mini nukes, he could stall.
Not sure if anyone caught my domino analogy, Donnie has the first domino in hand and he realizes and knows the power of that domino. Everyone hanging on what he's going to do. I figured he'd go real easy, maybe even giving away to Iran his intentions. But, he's still got his powder dry. War isn't certain yet.
I'm saying it's 25-33% "certain?" what I'm saying is true. US boots on the ground are more unlikely, or at least unintended in Trump's mind.
Sounds like Doctorow is hinting at what I said, the Algerian option, unintended, but borne of hubris and the bureaucratic sluggishness associated with show business. Remember, it's all an advertisement campaign in the end.
The Israeli's are stuck in a jell like Sartre would very much appreciate, "No Exit" Israel is Leo, the US is Rose, at least the waters of the Mediterranean aren't as chilly
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 16:27 utc | 5
ranian announcement of "proportional" retaliation for U.S. strikes has Doha, Qatar closing airspace:
Posted by: Dave | Jun 23 2025 16:16 utc | 1
Great, that would mean no retaliation.
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 16:29 utc | 6
One and Done?
Operation Midnight Hammer hit empty infrastructure, not enriched uranium—leaving the US potentially mired in a long, slow pursuit of Iran’s nuclear potential.
Iran's strategy of almost having a nuke is to have the capacity to quickly build a nuke for a 2nd strike. This is classic nuclear deterrence.
The reason that it has enriched 400 kg to 60%, but no further, and built hardened nuclear facilities is to have on hand the ability to quickly knock out a couple of nukes after it has been nuked in a first strike. Iran has the missiles to deliver the warheads. It has the engineering talent to design and build nuclear warheads that fit on its missiles. It has the centrifuges and enough enriched uranium to get weapons grade, 90% or higher, in a single run. And it has the deep, hardened bunkers that ensure the survival of the above even in the event of a nuclear first strike.
It goes without saying that they hope to never need this capacity, but their rivals know that it is there so it is a reasonably effective deterrent. All in all, it's a clever and novel strategy.
Let's just hope MAD is still an effective deterrent in this crazy world.
Posted by: team10tim | Jun 23 2025 16:31 utc | 8
"-The Chinese embassy in Qatar urges its citizens to enhance safety measures"
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43706
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Probably confirms a specific warning communication was given.
"Great, that would mean no retaliation."
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 16:29 utc | 6
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More likely than not the ego in chief will not just eat the strike, AS HE SHOULD, we'll see soon enough though.
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 16:34 utc | 9
The Trump Administration has obviously been coordinating with the Iranians. In my HO, Trump had to find a way to insert himself in control of the Iran/Israeli war. We were told that if Trump didn't do something a nuke would be used. At that time he abandoned the Entity and made arrangements with Russia, China and Iran. Trump knows as we do that Israel is on the verge of collapse. The trick is to manage that collapse.
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 16:36 utc | 10
Great article. That unbound fascism in the West has been here for a couple of years (I'd say 2020) and I doubt is reversible.
Posted by: xor | Jun 23 2025 16:36 utc | 11
If Trump is found to be, in fact, in violation of the US Constitution... what then? Who will step up to charge him and/or bring him to trial? Do we find ourselves in a 'Dr Strangelove' situation where we get in touch with Iran's leadership and tell them he overstepped his authority and apologize and withdraw our forces? While that would be fitting, I don't think it's very bloody likely to happen. Why? Because anyone moving the US out of the conflict is going to incur the wrath of Israel and besides being blacklisted may end up getting 'Clintoned'. The MIC, too, has too much invested to just let this new revenue stream go to waste. But still the question remains: who are ALL the guilty parties and who will bring them to justice?
There's another dimension to this as well: the aircrews and support who actually carried out the mission. They are not stupid people and they had to have known their orders were at least questionable if not obviously illegal. They have a duty to refuse illegal orders- I know, I've been there and done that and fortunately I had my s*it together- but was there one single voice of dissent? Or was it a case of 'it's not much but it's the only war we have' and they wanted to get in on it for bragging rights at the O-Club?
All in all, this is a big mess our President has forced us into, and one we don't need; I want to know how we're going to go about making this right by our own rules and how this is going to be justified to the world.
Posted by: John S | Jun 23 2025 16:36 utc | 12
reposting from end of dead thread:
In Rope-A-Dope Warfighting Strategy, Nothing Quite Succeeds Like Failure
https://johnhelmer.net/in-rope-a-dope-warfighting-strategy-nothing-quite-succeeds-like-failure
"...The IRGC has issued a warning to Russia and China that they are failing to do enough to meet their assistance promises and treaty obligations. 'We may forget the words of our enemies, but never the silence of our friends'...After going through this sensitive situation, there will undoubtedly be a serious review of relations with some countries.'
The text was accompanied by a picture of Putin and China's President Xi Jinping shaking hands..."
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 16:37 utc | 13
Iran leaving NPT would immediately trigger US and Israel total war vs them. This is exactly what netanyahun and americans want.
It would be suicide for Iran to do this now.
They either acquire a dozen nukes and annouce it publicly or they stay put.
Posted by: Comandante | Jun 23 2025 16:37 utc | 14
"Transports to China, India and global south countries will continue. U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, and the U.S. itself, will suffer. Oil prices will increase - at least for those who oppose Iran."
More of that irrational optimism. If Iran controlled the Strait with a navy, sure they could choose who to attack. Most of Iran's methods to close the Strait- mines, physical obstruction- close it for everyone. That might not be so bad if China has the actual rail capacity to ship Iranian oil, but if they don't it will take time to build.
That all misses the point entirely, though. Iran has major incentives to localize the conflict strictly to Israel. Netanyahu needs the US and NATO to take all measures to -quickly- destroy Iran, including nuclear ones. Threatening global economic collapse is one such pretext.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 16:39 utc | 15
Mohamed ElBaradei was the former director general of the IAEA (1997-2009), and called out Bush's and Blair’s lies about WMD in Iraq.
https://x.com/ElBaradei/status/1936735085723537678
Mohamed ElBaradei @ElBaradei
For the record:
A war of aggression against Iran, in violation of the UN Charter and basic tenets of international law, and in the absence of any imminent threat or concrete evidence from international inspection bodies and intelligence agencies of the existence of an Iranian military nuclear program…
A war that is being waged by two nuclear weapon states (one of which is outside the nuclear arms control regime #NPT) possessing thousands of nuclear weapons...
A war that clearly brings to mind the catastrophic war on #Iraq, a war based on deception and in violation of all international inspection reports stating the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq …
A war that is taking place against the backdrop of a total paralysis of the Security Council and obscene double standards by those who trumpet a rule based system…
A war that will add a huge blow to the international order, international law and institutions including the Nuclear Nonproliferation Regime …
A war that will likely have devastating effects on the peace and stability of region and its people…
Lasting peace can only be achieved through justice, mutual security and dialogue.
#Iran #USStrike #IsraeliranWar
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 16:40 utc | 16
Re: Atom Bombs ?
Plenty of countries have Atom Bombs.
Even little places like England, France, and North Korea have A-Bombs. Christ - even Germany had something like 350 A-Bombs on her soil; and the planes to deliver them. So its no big deal if Iran develops them. Honestly.
Though, there is one little country which the International Community overwhelmingly determined in a binding resolution, that needs to abandon its A-Bombs…..
UN votes 152 to 5 telling Israel to get rid of its nuclear weapons
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/10/31/un-vote-israel-nuclear-weapons/
Posted by: Exile | Jun 23 2025 16:40 utc | 17
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 16:37 utc | 13
I'll follow your lead to make it clear from where Helmer got his info.
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I know people don't like Helmer, however in this case he is quoting a post from an official Telegram account of the Revolutionary Guards.
We may forget the words of the enemies, but never the silence of the friends...
🔹Undoubtedly, after going through these sensitive conditions, relations with some countries will be seriously revised.
Join the Revolutionary Guards Channel 👇
⁇ ️ @sepahinews
t.me/sepahinews
/4569
5.8Kviews
Jun 22 at 23:15
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 16:22 utc | 1040
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 16:41 utc | 18
Violent explosions in Qatar.
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43710
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 16:41 utc | 19
the president has 60 days to stir up shit before Congress gets involved was the policy I remember. It's all Unconstitutional bullshit, and it sure didn't start with Trump. WW2 was the last Constitutional war, so, please spare me the righteous partisan hypocrisy. It's lunch hour here n, that's bad form to serve up that bile (but I love and appreciate you)
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 16:42 utc | 20
The US has let the IDF run amok killing key Iranian generals and scientists, and now the US expects peace negotiations.....LOL
This will only steel Iranian resolve..........and get them into the nuclear family even faster via the purchase of a tactical nuke or several tactical nukes from NK or Pakistan or Russia.
Its an Orwellian fanasty.......we bombed them to move the peace process forward.....how laughable.
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 23 2025 16:43 utc | 21
Agree with your thesis, b, and unfortunately agree with your conclusion because Western publics have shown themselves to be reluctant to do their duties to their fellows and oust the regimes now in power. "Friendly Fascism" that's actually been the norm for decades is now far more overt. We both advocate the economic strangulation of the Zionists; that will need to be done for Iran to attain its goal of demilitarizing them.
🇮🇷🇺🇸🇶🇦⚡️Report: Fire at the US Air Force Al Udeid base in Qatar
https://t.me/intelslava/76966
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 16:43 utc | 23
"...The IRGC has issued a warning to Russia and China that they are failing to do enough to meet their assistance promises and treaty obligations. 'We may forget the words of our enemies, but never the silence of our friends'...After going through this sensitive situation, there will undoubtedly be a serious review of relations with some countries.'
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 16:37 utc | 13
Sounds like that critical meeting didn't go especially well. I don't know if Iran has strong relations with President Xi Jingping, but I'm pretty sure the Chinese hate being talked down to by anyone, never mind their junior partners.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 16:44 utc | 24
The downed F35 footage looks legit. I can be wrong of course. There's around 20 people with torches in the middle of the night in the desert with a wreck that does not look like a drone.
Rumours have persisted for days. Was this the reason Trump left the G7 meeting in a hurry. Something to consider.
Posted by: JH | Jun 23 2025 16:44 utc | 25
Its not the legality of an attack on a nation or group of people that counts anymore – its now down to might, if you have and want to use it – that’s all that matters now – for all the countries out there that don’t possess nukes – I say to you, you’d better get them, or like Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan etc, you are considered far game for attack if you don’t comply with the West/Israel demands.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 23 2025 16:45 utc | 26
-BREAKING: American, British and French jets have been scrambled in the entire Persian Gulf region
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20904
----President of Iran, Masoud Pezeshkian, in a statement on X:
'We neither initiated this war nor wanted it, but we will never leave any aggression against Iran unanswered.We will stand by the security of this dear nation with all our being, and respond to every wound on Iran's body with faith, wisdom, and determination.
God is our protector.'
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20905
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 16:46 utc | 27
Qatar
https://t.me/intelslava/76968
🇮🇷🇶🇦 work of air defense in Qatar
https://t.me/intelslava/76969
🇶🇦 BREAKING! Air Defenses have activated in Doha!
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153309
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 16:47 utc | 28
French President Macron: American strikes on Iran are illegitimate but we support preventing Tehran from possessing nuclear weapons
Any such step (regime change in Iran) must come from the Iranian people and not from bombs.https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43708
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Macron can't make up his mind. lol
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 16:47 utc | 29
see the 43-scond video at the first link
Iran is attacking US base/s in the Middle East
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1937190134094405892
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
🚨 Iran has launched Missiles at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar & another base in Iraq.
Video from Qatar.
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1937157526035877933
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
You won’t believe it but this is not a joke:
@rafaelmgrossi
considers Iran’s removal of the enriched uranium outside Fordow nuclear site to protect it is a “violation” and said nothing about condemning the Israeli and US bombing of nuclear sites, considered a violation of international law.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 16:48 utc | 30
All these news about Qatar appeard from Axios, WSJ and other crap. You'll have to wait for someone else to confirm, like Iran itself
Posted by: rk | Jun 23 2025 16:49 utc | 31
I had just posted this in yesterday's discussion
Larry Johnson was with Nima earlier, and he said that Iran should humble itself and ask for assistance from China and Russia.
I disagree.
Iran should do as much as it can. This is their victory to achieve, their way. This is what the Revolution was built for. It is what Shia Islam is all about. Resistance. Enduring suffering.
The premise of most Western commentators and Axis Doomers is that America is so powerful. They were. They are weakened and failing now.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 16:49 utc | 32
The pot calling the kettle black.... trump at his best
Did I hear Former President Medvedev, from Russia, casually throwing around the “N word” (Nuclear!), and saying that he and other Countries would supply Nuclear Warheads to Iran? Did he really say that or, is it just a figment of my imagination? If he did say that, and, if confirmed, please let me know, IMMEDIATELY. The “N word” should not be treated so casually. I guess that’s why Putin’s “THE BOSS.” By the way, if anyone thinks our “hardware” was great over the weekend, far and away the strongest and best equipment we have, 20 years advanced over the pack, is our Nuclear Submarines. They are the most powerful and lethal weapons ever built, and just launched the 30 Tomahawks — All 30 hit their mark perfectly. So, in addition to our Great Fighter Pilots, thank you to the Captain and Crew!
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 23 2025 16:50 utc | 33
The downed F35 footage looks legit. I can be wrong of course. There's around 20 people with torches in the middle of the night in the desert with a wreck that does not look like a drone.
Posted by: JH | Jun 23 2025 16:44 utc | 25
It barely looks like a sculpture. There's a reason every alleged F-35 shootdown produces a "corpse" that is an obvious forgery. This is what, the third such of six? Iran is theoretically a functioning country that controls its own territory well enough to shoot down stealth fighters. (Especially ones as inferior as the F35.) So it should be easy to have sources more reliable than grainy Telegram video, but for some reason Iran can never manage it.
Of course, if Israel was doing all that well they wouldn't need a near total campaign of information censorship. Merely looking at the JPost indicates a society well into terminal delusion. So maybe Iran can win by being the least obvious loser.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 23 2025 16:50 utc | 34
this is a big mess Israeli domination of US foreign policy. This isn't just Trump. The "opposition" in DC is performative. Congress would vote to approve in a heartbeat. Perhaps Trump avoids the vote to easier betray/cut and run (blind hope only)
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 16:50 utc | 35
Posted by: John S | Jun 23 2025 16:36 utc | 12
The assumption being that there was an attack. All anybody saw was B2's flying around over the mid west. One astute poster mentioned that as our premier first strike weapon, you don't want to lose it over Iran. Let's see if the attack was even run.
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 16:53 utc | 36
Video of incoming missiles.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132970
According to reports the USAF had already evacuated their jets from the base in Qatar a few days ago. For all we know this may be a telegraphed attack just for the sake of political appearances
We'll have to wait a few hours before knowing for sure, but in any case, the interceptors being used are still expensive and slow to replace.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132972
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 16:54 utc | 37
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 16:41 utc | 18
You and your amplifiers have been posting that over and over. If Iran makes such a statement it isnt going to come from a backwater telegram channel even the 'official' one. Meanwhile in the real world Araghi is meeting with Putin.
Id say just more continuation of the whisper campaigns deployed en masse to try to splinter the relations between Iran, Russia and China. Its pretty amateur hour, IMO.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 23 2025 16:55 utc | 38
@37,
Wtf is Iran doing with the clown-fest attacks? What is the point?
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 16:56 utc | 39
Hearing the words Constitution and United States together is ,to put it mildly, a joke.
The Constitution is now only a piece of paper on display in the National Archives Building in Washington, D.C.
Trump has done additional damage by destroying the words negotiation and agreements. That's out the window also.
We are now in Land of No Law. Anything is possible now and only the blind and uninquisitive don't see it.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 16:58 utc | 40
these missiles couldve been used for israel, not sure if hitting emptied airbases is a good use.
the us can now use this as a propaganda point, talking about "iran attacked us unprovoked!".
trump is probably already typing on his private twitter.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 16:58 utc | 41
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 16:56 utc | 39
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Domestic demand is what I'm thinking, has to be a response\ attempted response.
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 16:58 utc | 42
The attacks are obviously coordinated with the US, and Iran is cooperating with US kabuki on the b2 strike (the bombers obviously never even reached Iranian airspace). In other words it's all bullshit.
Israel should be worried, as it looks like they're the ones being intrigued against. A triangulation of interests.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 23 2025 16:59 utc | 43
The cost
Israel can't afford to shoot down Iran's missiles, and can't afford not to
Posted by: osi not ossi | Jun 23 2025 16:59 utc | 44
Posted by: karlof1/Jun 23 2025 16:43 utc/22
"Agree with your thesis b...Western publics have shown themselves reluctant to do their duties to their fellows and oust the regimes now in power. 'Friendly fascism'..."
I entirely agree.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 16:59 utc | 45
The U.S. attacked Iran simply because it could do so.
Or, put another way, the US attacked Iran simply because it was told to. Tail furiously wagging dog.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 16:58 utc | 41
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NOT if they're the shorter range ones that haven't much if at all, and can't reach Israel.
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 17:00 utc | 47
thanks b... good overview and description of where the west is at present.. the concept of any type of laws is clearly beyond the comprehension of the usa and israel.. that the west - europe and etc - are okay with this, is testimony of them being okay with the slaughter in gaza as well... what a sick bunch they are..
@ Scottindallas | Jun 23 2025 16:27 utc | 5
i would like it for you to be right.. i am not sure about that though.. thanks for your posts..
@ Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 16:41 utc | 18
i really appreciate john helmer.. thanks for the update..
-------------------------- still no sign of william gruff and c1ue...
Posted by: james | Jun 23 2025 17:00 utc | 48
The big lie was an Orwellian effort to repeat a lie so often and with conviction that everyone believed it.......
Today we have seen alive and well in the WMSM.
The IDF is fighting terrorists in Gaza, and not killing defenseless civilians
The US is not pushing regime change in Iran
Starving civilians are not being murdered in food relief lines
Volo is protecting Christian churches
Iran is a dictatorship
Israeli has every right of self defense
American Baptist Hospital was not bombed by the IDF
The IDF never murdered doctors, nurses, emts, ambulance drivers, firefighters, or municipal employees in Gaza
Haifa is functioning after Iranian airstrikes
US airstrikes will push forward the peace process
Zionists stole no farmland, orchards, vineyards, businesses or homes from Palestinians in 1948
No Palestinian civilians were murdered by the Stern Gang or the Irgun or by Zionist militas in 1948
USAF B2's destroyed all of Iran's nuclear facilities
No US, Uk, Polish, French or German troops are on the ground in Volos' Ukronazi land
And the hits just keep on coming...
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 23 2025 17:01 utc | 50
🇮🇷🇮🇶Alarms at the US Al-Harir Air Force Base in Iraq.
https://t.me/intelslava/76970
🇮🇷🇰🇼🇺🇸⚡️Alarms sound at Ali Al Salem base in Kuwait
https://t.me/intelslava/76972
🇮🇷🇺🇸🇧🇭⚡️Alarms also in Bahrain
https://t.me/intelslava/76973
🇮🇷🇺🇸⚡️Operation Basharat al-Fatah against US bases in the Middle East has begun.
https://t.me/intelslava/76975
🇦🇪🇺🇸UAE closes its airspace - American press.
https://t.me/intelslava/76976
🇧🇭⚡️Bahrain calls on all its citizens and residents to immediately reduce movement in the area
https://t.me/intelslava/76977
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 17:01 utc | 51
It is claimed in the most recent Weekly Worker that ‘Rising Lion’ is actually a reference to a bloody biblical passage:
Israel’s military operation takes its name from Numbers xxiii,24. A typically gory passage in what Christians call the Old Testament. In full the verse reads: “Behold, a people! As a lioness it rises up and as a lion it lifts itself; till it devours the prey and drinks the blood of the slain.”
This explanation is quite consistent with Israel’s obscurantism and its objective of entirely dismembering Iran as a nation and state.
Posted by: Lengai | Jun 23 2025 17:02 utc | 52
I hope Iran fucks up some Patriots real good. So good that Trump has a prolapsed rectum from shitting himself.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 23 2025 17:03 utc | 53
French President Macron: American strikes on Iran are illegitimate but we support preventing Tehran from possessing nuclear weapons
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 16:47 utc | 29
About that ...
I already miss the naughties, bush , faked evidence. People had pride in conjuring a lie that could stand some critics.
Now, we're not even on my astrologer said, or my cat is sure, we're plain into, bad vibes and they needed a bombing.
Because it's monday = Bellum iustum in Jus ad Bellum
Saint Augustine can't hold a candle to trump...
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 23 2025 17:03 utc | 54
"Wtf is Iran doing with the clown-fest attacks? What is the point?
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 16:56 utc | 39"
The only possible reason for their attacks on the US base is to show that they took the American attack seriously.
It's pure theatre. Look at oil prices. Even they are not taking it seriously.
Read the simplicius article.
Iran vs Israel is real.
Iran vs US is fake.
So far!
Posted by: Harbin | Jun 23 2025 17:03 utc | 55
@Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 16:58 utc | 41
Listen to Professor Marandi, these missiles are shorter range.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 17:03 utc | 56
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 17:00 utc | 47
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 17:03 utc | 56
fair point, i did not take this into consideration.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 17:05 utc | 57
Iran targeting US bases (per RT).
Interesting move.
If Iran were smart, they would have been screaming about how everything was destroyed.
But they are not.
Posted by: jared | Jun 23 2025 17:05 utc | 58
Alastair Crooke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RM5bChTGPA
"Trump's grave miscalculations."
Ray McGovern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HEosm7ZsVk
"What President of Peace?"
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 17:06 utc | 59
They can't scream about how everything got destroyed, that would make them seem WEAK. They cannot afford that. They need to be percieved as strong, regardless of attacks!
Posted by: Axxis | Jun 23 2025 17:06 utc | 61
I can't stop laughing.
Speaking to reporters during a briefing on Sunday, Netanyahu confirmed that Israel is aware of the location of Iran’s 400 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium, but refused to give further details.Now, words of warning. Let us open our secular bibble to Plat. Gorg. 470b: Never, ever try to rationalize homicidal mania. That path leads to madness.
Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 23 2025 17:07 utc | 62
Excellent piece b, especially the bit about the Rising Lion which I have not seen explicated anywhere else. Incidentally, if anyone is still laboring under the misapprehension that Iran is merely a military theocracy, this informative piece in Strategic Culture by Lucas Leiroz should open your eyes. (You'll probably need a nonstandard browser like Yandex, Chrome and its ilk block the site altogether.
Posted by: pasha | Jun 23 2025 17:07 utc | 63
At least 3 impacts have been reported on the US base in Qatar, so far.
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 23 2025 17:08 utc | 64
Statement by the Iranian Armed Forces:
'Noble and Resilient Nation of Iran!
Following the blatant military aggression of the criminal regime of the United States of America against the peaceful nuclear facilities of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the clear violation of international law, by the order of the Supreme National Security Council and the leadership of the Central Headquarters of the Rasool Al-Azam, the IRGC with the sacred code of ' Ya Aba Abdullah Al-Hussein' has targeted the Al-Udeid base in Qatar with a devastating and powerful missile attack in Operation Besharat Fatah.
This base is the headquarters of the Air Force and the largest strategic asset of the U.S. terrorist army in the West Asian region.
The message of this decisive action of the sons of the nation in the armed forces is clear and unequivocal for the White House and its allies:
The Islamic Republic of Iran, relying on God Almighty, relying on the faithful and famous people of Islamic Iran, will not leave its territorial integrity, sovereignty and national security unanswered under any circumstances.
With the aggression of the American enemy, it became clear to everyone that the evil of the Zionists was an extension of the Americans' design. Accordingly, we remind you that in this national defense, the U.S. bases and mobile military targets in the region are not a point of strength, but rather a major weakness and a thorn in the side of this warmongering regime.
On the eve of the month of Muharram, the month of mourning for the leader and commander of martyrs, Hazrat Abu Abdullah Al-Hussein (AS), we once again warn the enemies of Islamic Iran that the era of hit-and-run is over, and the will of the country's powerful people's armed forces.
Any repetition of U.S. aggression will lead to the acceleration of the collapse of the U.S. military pillars in the region, their ignominious escape from West Asia, and the realization of the common aspiration of the Islamic Ummah and the freedom-loving nations of the world in eradicating the cancerous tumor of Zion.'
Middle_East_Spectator
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 23 2025 17:08 utc | 65
Iranian armed forces have launched a missile barrage at American military bases in Qatar in a retaliatory operation a day after Iranian nuclear sites were targeted by US bombers.
Posted by: JB | Jun 23 2025 17:10 utc | 66
It seems that Iran is trying to draw the US into the conflict.
Posted by: jared | Jun 23 2025 17:10 utc | 67
‼️ 🇮🇷 IRGC statement on attack on US air base in Qatar:In the name of Allah, the Merciful
So whoever attacked you, then attack him as he attacked you.🔹The noble and resilient nation of Iran,
Following the blatant military aggression of the criminal regime of the United States of America against the peaceful nuclear facilities of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the clear violation of international law, with the planning of the Supreme National Security Council and the leadership of the Central Headquarters of the Seal of the Prophets (PBUH), the "Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps" with the sacred code name or Abu Abdullah Al-Hussein (PBUH) has targeted the Al-Udeid base in Qatar with a devastating and powerful missile attack in Operation Besharat Fatah.This base is the headquarters of the Air Force and the largest strategic asset of the US terrorist army in the West Asia region.
🔹The message of the decisive action of the nation's sons in the armed forces is clear and explicit for the White House and its allies:
"The Islamic Republic of Iran, relying on God Almighty and relying on the faithful and illustrious people of Islamic Iran, will not leave any attack on its territorial integrity, sovereignty, and national security unanswered under any circumstances."
🔹With the aggression of the American enemy, it became clear to everyone that the evil of the Zionists was an extension of the American design. Accordingly, we remind you that in this national defense, the US bases and mobile military targets in the region are not a point of strength, but a major weakness and the thorn in the side of this warmongering regime.
🔹On the eve of the month of Muharram, the month of mourning for the leader and leader of martyrs, Hazrat Abu Abdullah Al-Hussein (AS), we once again warn the enemies of Islamic Iran that the era of beating and fighting is over, and the will of the country's powerful popular armed forces: any repetition of mischief will lead to the acceleration of the collapse of the US military pillars in the region, their ignominious escape from West Asia, and the realization of the common aspiration of the Islamic Ummah and the freedom-loving nations of the world in eradicating the cancerous tumor of Zion. (Tasnim)
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1937195714389369091
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 17:11 utc | 68
🚨🇮🇷🇺🇸 - Early Reports of 3 direct hits on Al Udeid air base in Qatar.
https://t.me/intelslava/76983
Iran’s IRGC have shut down the Strait of Hormuz
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132979
Reports that three missiles fell directly on the US Al Udeid base in Qatar.
Given all the PAC-3 interceptors fired that would be a poor performance. Remember only 650 missiles are made for the entire world per year.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132980
SIRENS ARE STILL SOUNDING AT ALL US BASES ACROSS THE MIDDLE EAST, INCLUDING SYRIA, IRAQ, JORDAN, SAUDI ARABIA, KUWAIT, BAHRAIN, QATAR, THE UAE AND OMAN.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132981
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 17:11 utc | 69
Iran vs Israel is real.
Iran vs US is fake.
So far!
Posted by: Harbin | Jun 23 2025 17:03 utc | 55
Well done Harbin.
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 17:11 utc | 70
Posted by: jared | Jun 23 2025 17:10 utc | 67
#######
Springing the trap. Calling Trump and Hegseth's bluffs.
By attacking Iran, the US told the world they don't honor the NPT and they won't follow the UN.
That is what Russia and China wanted. A clear statement of walking away from law and order and assuming the bandit role.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 17:13 utc | 71
Burning US Patriot AD missile wreckage can be seen along Qatari highway. It seems Iran is getting a lot of missiles through.
https://x.com/VerumReports/status/1937196385666789457
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 23 2025 17:13 utc | 72
b: "When the price of oil reaches above $100 per barrel the U.S. economy will move into a recession."
---------------------------------
Since 2020, when the USA murdered tens of millions of people around the globe with its viral warfare aimed at Iran & China in the most significant attack of WW3, I've been wondering why the stock market hasn't crashed. Investors should have zero confidence in equities if the government can control the economy. "Should".
But it just hasn't happened. I saw recently that four tech executives were recently appointed Lieutenant Colonels. I guess we Americans live in what my high school economics class used to call a "command economy", an epithet reserved for the evil empire USSR. This combining of government & corporate interests is the textbook definition of fascism. It also explains why the US market will never crash and there can never be a serious recession unless the magic money printing machine fails and the US Gov's corporate partners stop profiting off war.
In other words, I'm hoping my fellow US civilians will hang the corporate collaborators along with our government officials. I hope we can step up and do this before the international Nuremburg-type (but hopefully fair this time) court does it for us. It's our responsibility.
Regarding that magic money printing machine, I read Mark Wauck's recent (https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/maga-why-it-means-war) essay where he discusses Daniel Hudson in the early 1970s. It seems clear to me that "gold is peace", but it's interesting that all of the warlords that rule over us (yes, including Putin, Xi, etc.) hope to take the magic money printing machine for themselves, instead of abolishing it and reverting to "gold is peace" - except for Gaddafi (is he the only serious world leader that stood for peace: pushing for gold and giving up WMD programs? Maybe.). I think we'll know who are the serious peacemakers by those who will implement this ultimate democratic check on government power vs. those who think they can hold the "one ring to rule them all" benevolently.
Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 23 2025 17:14 utc | 73
michaelj72 | Jun 23 2025 16:48 utc | 30
"https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1937157526035877933
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
You won’t believe it but this is not a joke:
@rafaelmgrossi
considers Iran’s removal of the enriched uranium outside Fordow nuclear site to protect it is a “violation” and said nothing about condemning the Israeli and US bombing of nuclear sites, considered a violation of international law."
All the babbling and humbug from all directions about "international law" and "the US Constitution", as if either of these exist in anything but weaponized ways, are either laughable or just obnoxious and stupid, depending on one's taste.
But if there were ever to be such a thing as "international law" for real, then going by the Nuremburg standards the spy Grossi certainly should be charged with two Nuremburg counts, Conspiracy Against the Peace (for the IAEA's deceptive, fraudulent role throughout the Iran saga) and War Crimes (for using his IAEA position to provide targeting information against Iranian scientists).
He's guilty of the Conspiracy count in the Ukraine as well.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 23 2025 17:14 utc | 74
What I don't understand about letting another country bomb you so the other can save face, is that if Trump had to bomb Iran's empty nuclear sites as a show, and if we as plebs in this whole affair knew this, then certainly the neocons would know this is just a show. And because so few people desire us to go to war with Iran, Trump should have had no issue in denying those sorties.
- we the people know they were fake attacks.
- the neocons know they were fake attacks.
- the stupid people who might believe they were real attacks and who wanted them to take place, probably only number 20-30% of the western audience (and that is a high estimation).
So why did he need to do it?
It reminds me of Alexander Solzenitsyn's quote:
We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country.
It's a lie without a purpose and without an audience. Why?
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 23 2025 17:15 utc | 75
🇺🇸🇸🇦 U.S. Aircraft Took Off from Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153317
🇮🇷⚔️🇺🇸 According to AXIOS, 10 ballistic missiles were launched at U.S. assets in the region.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153318
🇮🇷🇶🇦 The Iranian National Security Council stated that the missile strike on the American Al-Udeid base in Qatar does not pose a threat to the brotherly nation of Qatar.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153319
▶️ More videos from Iranian missiles in the sky in Qatar
https://t.me/presstv/145939
American troops run to shelters in US bases in Iraq
https://t.me/presstv/145944
(beware of headaches)
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 17:16 utc | 76
The clown show continues... oddly looks very similar to what Russia is facing off. Isolated in the military sense, when will the 'resistance' countries have the balls to unite, with the exception of Yemen. Iran is carrying all the weight of warding off the warmonger hordes.
⚠️ The countries that participate in the attacks on Iran:
1 United States
2 Britain
3 France
4 Germany
5 Israel
⚠️ Countries of securing the back of Israel and repel attacks
1 Türkiye
2 Syria
3 Jordan
4 Saudi Arabia
5 Qatar
6 Emirates
7 Bahrain
Posted by: TheTurk | Jun 23 2025 17:17 utc | 77
Now lets see, did Iran give out a prior warning to the strike at Al-Udeid in Qatar - just as the USA gave Tehran prior warning of its strike at Fordow.
"Qatari air defenses intercepted a missile attack targeting al-Udeid Air Base. By the grace of God and the vigilance of the armed forces and precautionary measures, the incident resulted in no deaths or injuries," - Qatar's Ministry of Defense
Iran says it used the same amount of missiles against Al-Udeid as the amount of bombs dropped by the U.S. on Fordow (14)"
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 23 2025 17:17 utc | 78
Posted by: D | Jun 23 2025 16:59 utc | 46
I fully agree
The people I know ARE SICK AND TIRED OF WARS involving the US. They are more dejected now than ever before. Voting simply makes NO DIFFERENCE. US presidential elections are a huge expensive Kabuki Theater performance. To me that was most obvious with Obama, the man from nowhere. I was dizzy hearing his name for the first time and the fact he was running for president. It was Twilight Zone but in Reality and not on TV.
"Barack Obama's Chicago home is located at 5046 S. Greenwood Ave. in the Kenwood neighborhood, directly across the street from KAM Isaiah Israel, a historic Byzantine-style synagogue.
This Reform Jewish congregation has maintained a presence in the Hyde Park-Kenwood area for many years and is an integral part of the neighborhood's cultural and religious landscape.
The synagogue has been noted for its proximity to the Obama residence since he became president in 2009, and it played a role in the security setup around the Obama home during his presidency.
Despite the occasional security measures, the synagogue has emphasized openness and inclusivity, with leaders expressing a desire for the area to remain accessible to the public."
He was sponsored in a big way by the Pritzkers. Check them out.
Beach front house in Hawaii is a nice prize he earned for controlling the drone Joe Biden.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 17:18 utc | 79
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 16:49 utc | 32
I would agree with Larry Johnoson you quote.
Iran will never succeed on its own. Iran is not only up against USIS but also France, UK, Germany and many other (EU) countries. Even those tiny insignificant countries like Albania and Kossovo (both muslim) are fully behind Israel.
Without help, there are only two pathways: dismemberment (balkanization) along ethnic lines or another sock puppet despot owned by the US empire. That would soften and pave the way against Russia as well as China.
Iran should acquire as much military help as it can gather and for its survival should even accept stationing Russian military on its soil.
Posted by: xor | Jun 23 2025 17:18 utc | 81
friendly reminders that China and Russia have thrown Iran under the bus on a regular basis and will most certainly continue to betray them with weak, unreliable protection if not downright sabotage.
Putin and Xi will be the first two leaders to congratulate the shah if the Islamic Republic falls
and the SMO will keep meatgrinding russians (over a million dead!)
Posted by: aaaa | Jun 23 2025 17:18 utc | 82
Some great memes against Trump. When the Right starts meme-ing against Trump, you know MAGA is destroyed. Enjoy:
https://i0.wp.com/www.barnhardtmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_5700.jpg?w=511&ssl=1
https://i.imgflip.com/9y9ynx.jpg
And the best for last. Truly Iconic:
Posted by: JackG | Jun 23 2025 17:19 utc | 83
Oil down $2.45...
Everything is well folks, carry on.
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 17:20 utc | 84
IRGC Statement:
⭕️We targeted Al-Udeid base in Qatar with a destructive and powerful missile attack as part of Operation Basharat al-Fatah.
⭕️The message of this decisive action is that the Islamic Republic will not leave any aggression against its territorial integrity, sovereignty, and national security unanswered under any circumstances.
⭕️US bases and mobile military targets in the region are not a strength of the US national defense, but rather a major weakness and a thorn in the side of this warmongering regime.
⭕️ Any repetition of evil will accelerate the collapse of the US military establishment in West Asia and its shameful escape from it, and will fulfill the common aspiration of the Islamic nation and the free peoples of the world to eradicate “Israel.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/132985
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 17:20 utc | 85
Sometimes I feel like there are some mentally retarded commanders there in Iran who probably think that this sort of stunt is doing some "face saving".
1. What will this achieve for them? 99% of those fired missiles will be intercepted without any issues.
2. Qatar/Saudis/Bahrain and other Arab fiefdoms are complete and utter vassals of US. This won't change but it can have dire consequences for Iran if someone actually gets hurt from this stupid stunt.
3. If Iran wants to focus in Israel (as it should), why waste missiles on multiple US bases that are already empty? What is the point in giving US further propaganda points for the sheeps at home?
4. If every missile is intercepted won't that embolden US to be more active thinking that Iran is weak?
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 23 2025 17:20 utc | 86
🇶🇦⚔️🇮🇷Qatari Defense Ministry: We reserve the right to respond to Iran
@Slavyangrad
I think it's time for "regime change by missile" all round in these crappy little family run Gulf corporations masquerading as countries ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 23 2025 17:21 utc | 87
We are now in Land of No Law. Anything is possible now and only the blind and uninquisitive don't see it.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 16:58 utc | 40
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted"
The world needs a new Hassan-i Sabbah
A couple of "corrective lessons" and some brashness would probably disappear from international dealings.
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 23 2025 17:22 utc | 88
Qatar officially CONDEMNS Iranian attack on US base — FM spokesmanCountry has ‘right to RESPOND’
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 17:22 utc | 89
It's a lie without a purpose and without an audience. Why?
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 23 2025 17:15 utc | 75
Because the truth would kill people. The wrong people.
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 17:22 utc | 90
🇶🇦⚔️🇮🇷Qatari Defense Ministry: We reserve the right to respond to Iran
My first thought was something like: "then why are you housing us military bases on your soil"? On the other hand, us military bases are (atleast to the us) almost always considered to be US soil!
Posted by: Axxis | Jun 23 2025 17:23 utc | 91
—❗️🇮🇷/🇺🇸/🇶🇦 NEW: Iran says it used the same amount of missiles against Al-Udeid as the amount of bombs dropped by the U.S. on Fordow (14)
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20920
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 17:24 utc | 92
Anybody that does not have a fleet of kamikaze, drone submarine bombs on hand is simply not serious about self-defense.
One would just want to put a good leak in one or two of these floating museums.
I think the US put it something to the effect that "We are not attacking Iran, we simply made a one-off targeting strike on a military target." So that is where there head is at. Which, though it's a bit ignorant, it has some truth to it.
Posted by: jared | Jun 23 2025 17:24 utc | 93
We are now in Land of No Law.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2025 16:58 utc | 40
#######
That is how the Global South has been living under the Western boot for centuries.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 23 2025 17:24 utc | 94
Too many people here now showing their true colours, when push comes to shove they appear to fear the consequences of US retaliation when Iran actually does something they had being crying out for a few days earlier?
Personally I hope this escalates to the point China and/or Russia are forced in to silence the usrael threat for ever.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Jun 23 2025 17:25 utc | 95
'We may forget the words of our enemies, but never the silence of our friends'...After going through this sensitive situation, there will undoubtedly be a serious review of relations with some countries.'
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 16:37 utc | 13
I pointed out before all this blew up that Iran should expect to be hung out to dry by the rat-faced Zionist in Moscow and the corpulent businessman in Beijing.
The priority of these reactionary bourgeois regimes is to reach a modus vivendi with US imperialism, to continue send their spoilt brats to Eaton and Harrow, and to protect the value of their western financial holdings.
I also said that in this they do not differ from the disgusting theiving Sunni autocracies and dictatorships for whom Palestine is nothing more than a nuisance issue to which occasional lip-service must be paid.
Posted by: Lengai | Jun 23 2025 17:26 utc | 96
Posted by: snake | Jun 23 2025 17:26 utc | 97
Press TV commentator suggesting that Iran feels comfortable with the damage done to Israel so far, and therefore use some of its resources can attack US assets in the region. Also, the meeting in Russia has finished I believe.
Saying that it's meaningless to attack the Quatari base ignores the fact thet infrastructure cannot be evacuated and AD assets must be used to protect them revealing their competency and location. Hits that penetrate AD shield warn the owner that trying to use the base will result in additional losses. Moving aircraft around to other bases strains logistics and may overload the bases that are being used for this.
Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 23 2025 17:26 utc | 98
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 23 2025 17:20 utc | 84
Iran sells oil at a major discount on the market. It needs to go way up for it to have an impact on daily lives, just look at the mental tits that Trumpy 'bigger boy' is throwing online.
I also don't think China provided any military assistance, those cargo planes were most likely deliveries from AliExpress products. Iran sells oil to China, in the 'Yuan' where it can only by Chinese products. So hence
why the US is asking China to put the pressure on Iran.
Posted by: TheTurk | Jun 23 2025 17:27 utc | 99
—❗️🇺🇸/🇮🇷/🇧🇭 BREAKING: Bahrain closes its airspace
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/20922
They are just a stone throw away from Qatar
🇮🇷🇶🇦‼️ - New York Times: Iran coordinated the attacks on the US Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar with Qatari officials and gave advanced notice that attacks were coming to minimize casualties, according to three Iranian officials.
https://t.me/intelslava/76984
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 17:28 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
Iranian announcement of "proportional" retaliation for U.S. strikes has Doha, Qatar closing airspace:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/23/iran-israel-us-strikes-latest-news-nuclear-sites-trump/
Posted by: Dave | Jun 23 2025 16:16 utc | 1