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June 9, 2025
Russia Seeks ‘Asymmetrical’ Response For Strike On Its Nuclear Assets

There is some confusion over Russia's response to the June 1/2 attacks on railway infrastructure and its strategic nuclear forces.

To recap:

On Saturday/Sunday Ukrainian diversion groups used explosives to destroy two Russian railroad bridges in the Kursk and Bryansk region. These bridges were located some 50 kilometer north of the Sumy region frontline. The hits will impact, if only for a short time, the railway bound supply of Russian forces north of Sumy.

One of the bridge explosions destroyed a civil passenger train. Some 10 people were killed and some 100 were wounded. This was likely intended and thereby a terror attack.

On Sunday morning a large scale operation by the Ukrainian secret service managed to attack multiple strategic airfields throughout Russia. Ukrainian sources claimed attacks on five airfields and the destruction of more than 40 strategic bombers.

Current damage assessment confirms attacks on two airfields and the destruction or damaging of up to 10 bombers.

It is very important to distinguish these attacks. While both coincided with negotiations between Ukraine in Russia in Istanbul, and were clearly timed to influence those, the purpose was larger.

The railroad attacks were planned to hinder rearward logistics of Russia's operation in Ukraine's Sumy region. That a civilian train was hit by these was likely seen by the Ukrainian forces as an additional feature but not as a main purpose. Still, it is the mass harm of civilians that make this otherwise permissible attack on a quasi-military target a terrorist act. The Russian side has emphasized this.

The attack on the strategic bombers of Russia's nuclear triad (land based nuclear missiles, submarine based nuclear missiles, air carriers for launching nuclear bombs and missiles) hit at a much higher level. It was a military attack on a strategic military target. Russia's publicly announced doctrine allows for the use of nuclear forces to retaliate for such an attack on its nuclear assets. This independent of the immediate source of the attack.

The attack on the railway bridges were an operation that is typical for British services. It has been reported and is well known that British services have advised and helped the Ukrainians to launch sea drones against Russia in the Black Sea, to cross the Dnieper river in Krinki and in other operations of higher propaganda value.

The Russian Foreign Minister has accused the U.K of direct involvement in the terrorist attack.

Several western experts of U.S. special services believe, as the Russian's do, that the operation against its nuclear forces have a different actor behind them – most likely the CIA. It is unlikely that Ukraine would have been able to identify and target those airfields without the intelligence acquired by U.S. sources. There is also no military benefit for Ukraine to attack Russian air bases far from its territory.

It has been reported that since 2014 the CIA had build some 20 stations in Ukraine from where it operates against Russia. Several high ranking Ukrainian intelligence actors, including the head of its military intelligence service General Budanov, have been trained by the CIA and are actively cooperating with it.

The CIA has a special unit dedicated to long term plans to harm Russia. As the Washington Post once described it:

The warren of cubicles was secured behind a metal door. The name on the hallway placard had changed often over the years, most recently designating the space as part of the Mission Center for Europe and Eurasia. But internally, the office was known by its unofficial title: “Russia House.”

The unit had for decades been the center of gravity at the CIA, an agency within the agency, locked in battle with the KGB for the duration of the Cold War. The department’s prestige had waned after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and it was forced at one point to surrender space to counterterrorism officers.

But Russia House later reclaimed that real estate and began rebuilding, vaulting back to relevance as Moscow reasserted itself. Here, among a maze of desks, dozens of reports officers fielded encrypted cables from abroad, and “targeters” meticulously scoured data on Russian officials, agencies, businesses and communications networks the CIA might exploit for intelligence.

'Russia House' was deeply involved in creating the hoax about Russian interference in U.S. elections. Former nuclear weapon inspector Scott Ritter as well as others have asserted that political control over 'Russia House' is less stringent than desirable.

Another data point for the CIA's involvement was a piece by David Ignatius, its spokesperson at the Washington Post which openly threatened further attacks on Russia's strategic nuclear assets:

Ukraine’s dirty war is just getting started (archived) – David Ignatius / Washington Post

Ukraine has considered a naval version of the sneak-attack tactic it used so effectively on Sunday. The sources said the [Ukrainian intelligence service] SBU weighed sending sea drones hidden in cargo containers to attack ships of Russia and its allies in the North Pacific. But, so far, they apparently have yet to launch these operations.

'Russia House' continues to be busy. Still, even 'Russia House' needs a legal bases to act which usually comes in the form of presidential findings.

The conclusion from this is that the CIA, with the knowledge of the White House, has planned and directed the Ukrainian attack on Russia's strategic air fields.

The different qualities of the two attacks on June 1/2 require different responses. One response, throughout the last days, has come by strong Russian missile and drone attacks against military and military-industrial targets throughout Ukraine.

The Washington Post erred when it headlined:

Ukrainian cities pounded by Russia in retaliation for Sunday drone strike (archived) – Washington Post

The assault appears to be retaliation for Ukraine’s extensive attack on Russia’s bomber fleet on Sunday, targeting air bases across Russia and damaging many nuclear-capable aircraft.

The Russian attacks, by each some 500 missiles and drones over several nights, have obviously been in the plans for some time. They are not very special. Russian sources have explicitly said that these attacks were in response to Ukraine' terrorist attack:

Russian military retaliated against Kiev’s ‘terrorism’ – MODRT

The barrage, which included air-, sea-, and land-based missiles as well as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), was a response to recent “terrorist acts” carried out by Kiev, Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Friday.

Ukraine blew up railway bridges in Russia last week, derailing civilian and freight trains and killing at least seven and injuring over 120.

What we have so far seen as Russia's response to the attacks was only related to the terror attack which harmed civilians.

The retaliation for the attack on Russia's strategic nuclear assets has yet to come.

The U.S. knows this:

US Believes Russia Response To Ukraine Attack Not Over Yet: OfficialsReuters

The United States believes that Russian President Vladimir Putin's threatened retaliation against Ukraine over its drone attack last weekend has not happened yet in earnest and is likely to be a significant, multi-pronged strike, US officials told Reuters.

The first official said Moscow's attack would be "asymmetrical," meaning that its approach and targeting would not mirror Ukraine's strike last weekend against Russian warplanes.

Russia launched an intense missile and drone barrage at the Ukrainian capital Kyiv on Friday and Russia's Defense Ministry said the strike on military and military-related targets was in response to what it called Ukrainian "terrorist acts" against Russia. But the US officials believe the complete Russian response is yet to come.

Putin told President Donald Trump in a telephone conversation on Wednesday that Moscow would have to respond to attack, Trump said in a social media post.

Trump later told reporters that "it's probably not going to be pretty."

Trump claims that the U.S. had not known of the attack on Russia's strategic bombers. It is possible that Trump did not know about it. He may not have been informed to enable him to give a plausible denial. He may also simply lie about it. There is no doubt though in my mind that the U.S. was involved in it.

There is speculation that Russia will respond by attacking government buildings, especially those of the special services, in Kiev.

I doubt that this is a sufficient response for the attack on strategic nuclear assets. The Ukrainians would take a beating by such a strike but the U.S., which is undoubtedly behind the attack, would be left unharmed.

There would be nothing to deter the U.S., or others, to further chip away at Russia's nuclear retaliation capability by, for example, attacking – as Ignatius already announces – the bases of Russia's nuclear submarine fleets.

No. Any response for the attack on Russia's nuclear forces must include a very strong warning to the U.S. to not further walk down that path.

I do not know if the U.S. military still has some B-52 bombers on Diego Garcia. Destroying those would be adequate. Other potential targets are U.S. submarines and their bases. An attack on U.S. personnel that was involved in planing the attack would also be appropriate.

But all such operation could potentially lead to escalation. Especially while a hawkish Senate and blob is pushing against Trump's attempt to reestablish good relation with Russia.

Russia will need something different:

Let’s be honest: repeating slogans like “our response will be success on the battlefield” won’t cut it here. Ukraine’s leadership isn’t acting out of military logic, but emotional desperation. Their calculation is political. So Russia’s response must be political, too – emotionally resonant, unmistakably firm, and, above all, creative.

This doesn’t mean rash escalation, but we can’t rely on the old playbook. Hitting the same military targets again and again achieves little. Striking Ukraine’s energy infrastructure? Done. Launching another missile as a ‘demonstration’? Predictable. Escalating to mass casualties? Unnecessary and, frankly, counterproductive.

So what’s left?

Innovation.

Russia must now think asymmetrically. That might mean a covert action so unexpected that it catches Ukraine completely off guard. Or it could involve striking symbolic targets that shift the psychological balance. The key is to remind Kiev – and its patrons – that nothing they do goes unanswered, and that the cost of provocation will always outweigh the benefit.

You are invited to brainstorm in the comments what kind of operation might those criteria.

One asymmetrical response I can think of would be an attack on British, not U.S. owned, strategic assets. Any hit on Britain would be well deserved anyway. A strike against British nuclear assets would be strong enough to be understood by the U.S. as a severe warning while it would be unlikely to lead to escalation. The Brits are unable to escalate on their own and the U.S. will be unwilling to go there.

The planning for any asymmetrical operation will take a while. It therefore do not expect the Russian response for the attack on its nuclear assets to occur with the next days.

Later this week there will be another meeting of Russia's security council. The revenge for the strike on Russia's  strategic assets will certainly be part of its agenda.

Comments

@Zeus | Jun 10 2025 14:17 utc | 498
Return all confiscated Russian funds or else…

🇪🇺 The 18th package will definitely work says Reich Gauleiter von der Leyen.
The European Commission has announced sanctions on Nord Stream.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/150681
The EU asymmetrical response is to shoot itself in the foot for the 18th time.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2025 14:27 utc | 501

Win the effing war, take all of Odessa to the border of Transnistria. Deny any/all access to the Black Sea Coast until terrorist activities cease for a period of five years, to be reinstated at the drop of a hat.
Taking the BSC will piss-off the English ruling class more than anything else you could do in retaliation…it’d eff with their whole Crimean War mythos.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 10 2025 14:31 utc | 502

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 7:02 utc | 408
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Hyperventilate more.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 14:36 utc | 503

As long as we are working symbolic responses for Russia how about an Oreshnik for each end of the Channel Tunnel, that would be a spanner in the works!
Posted by: qparker | Jun 10 2025 12:13 utc | 472

Brilliant!
The mere threat of such an assault would be sufficient to clear it of traffic until Hell freezes over.
The Poms call it the Chunnel. They could rename it the Trap.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 10 2025 14:40 utc | 504

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 10 2025 14:15 utc | 497
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That is a good question. Not understanding why, makes the Russians seem insane.
I don’t think that they are insane.
So, I must seek understanding.
When someone does something we can’t understand, we should first question our premises.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 14:46 utc | 505

@Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 20:37 utc | 175
>>Putins stated intention when entering Syria. To destroy te terrorist groupings
Such a great idea! He should have tried it instead of switching to “muh political process, muh reconciliation” at the first sign of pushback.
>>and not start new wars
Well that’s the other side, so you are right to mention it. Russia was taken aback by the ferocity of the external playas, who made quite a show that they were willing to go to war before letting Russia just take out their beloved jihadi pets. Which is to say that Russia’s Syria mission was ill-conceived from the outset. But that’s just me saying it with the benefit of hindsight.
>>Critical Syrian generals sold Syria out
Yes they did, but I place the point-of-no-return years earlier when the SAA’s Idlib offensive was called off. Or even ~a year before that, when Russia let the US just gobble up all of East-of-Euphrates, mumbling “nothing to do with us” as hundreds of Wagner troops got smoked. (This still smells like a dirty deal Moscow made with the US in exchange for–what exactly?!) Because now you have resigned yourself to a Syria *without access to its own oil, farmland, and much of the water I think *without control of any of its borders *with all sorts of jihadi trash at liberty to take potshots at the SAA and the Syrian state more generally, only to slip back under the al-Tanf etc umbrellas when things get hot *and any nuts too tough for the jihadis to crack, well the Israeli Air Force will help out with those while the vaunted S-300 is mysteriously impotent every. single. time.
Yes Assad failed to govern this mini-Syria (better: zombie-Syria), but so’d have anyone else–because it was non-viable. Very telling that the “alternative media” hid the depth of the rot from us until it was too late. Let’s remember that in earlier years of the campaign, the SAA bled considerably more for Syria than the Russians ever did–and together with their Russian allies, they won again and again. So please spare me the racist those-Arabs-didn’t-deserve-it cope (I mean from the Russia side in general–not you), that’s precisely the way Americans talk after defeat.
The endgame was just a formality. Once al-Jolani was sitting pretty in Damascus, the other side (Assad, Russian-civilian, Russian-military, Iran for starters) threw themselves on the blame game with an energy, which’d have been better spent on saving the secular Syrian state. The narratives come thick and fast, and I have accepted that I won’t ever figure it out. In the end who cares: when the loyalists incl. Hezbollah, with all their resources were not even remotely able to set some shared goals and fight for them, that is what matters.
Look we aren’t going to agree on much here. Maybe just on the following: if Russia covets a victory in Ukraine, then maybe not repeat all the choices and talking points of the Syria debacle in detail?

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Jun 10 2025 14:51 utc | 506

Wall Street SHAKEN: US Struggles to Sell $22 Billion in Bonds Amid the Most Dangerous Bond Auction
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 10 2025 3:42 utc | 367
What’s the world coming to when even you start to get blinded by mainstream media disco lights.
2 words – “Debt Ceiling”
So just now they have to stay in the system as reserves until the debt ceiling is raised?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Repeat after me ……
Government borrowing is a reserve drain !
Of course the issues caused by leaving large large reserve balances instead of draining the reserves with bond sales is it hurts the commercial banks. Because since Basel they have to find capital to back up their holdings of reserves ( reserve leverage ratio)
For the last time learn it …..
Here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BDeIZBe56CM
Immediately stop disco lights from distracting you. Written by the same people who wrote about the ghost of Kiev and snake island and Bucha.
It’s amazing you can see their propaganda about war from a million miles away. Yet, struggle with their financial analysis on the end of your nose.
Unfortunately, there is nothing I can do about that as clearly their disco light have captured you.
STOP ? Going to the same social media pages you always go to when their predictions NEVER come true. Your confirmation bias is a little devil sitting on your shoulder. Whispering shite in your ears.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 10 2025 14:53 utc | 507

steel_porcupine 501, I concur with your take on DC/London “planners” assessment.
Akin to a bunch of juvenile frat boys self-assuredly thinking that they’re tougher than the football team and smarter than geeks. DC/London’s schoolboys are sure that they’ll suffer no real consequences because their parents have always intervened on their behalf. Except, this is war, this is war against Russia, this is war with Russia after it’s citizens have come to a red hot anger.
These self-assured frat boys keep edging closer the world closer to the abyss completely unaware of their predicament…just like a predictable horror film where the audience can plainly see what coming, what the actors are studiously ignoring.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 10 2025 14:53 utc | 508

Cyprus.
Big juicy easy UK target.

Posted by: Julian | Jun 10 2025 14:58 utc | 509

Prohibit the use of the English language in the UK.
… sorry, that would be symmetrical.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2025 15:03 utc | 510

Wall Street SHAKEN: US Struggles to Sell $22 Billion in Bonds Amid the Most Dangerous Bond Auction
I love neoliberal/ neoconservative propaganda headlines like these. That are designed to scare the children and get them all excited.
It highlights the complete idiots who believe such nonsense. As the scared children repeat word for word the propaganda rammed down their throats for the last 50 years.
Human beings are dumb , riddled with GROUPTHINK and so easily controlled. Their minds are weak and so, so, so, so easily captured.
The headline might as well of said – ” the ghost of Kiev downed as many as 40 enemy planes – an incredible feat in an arena where Russia controls the skies. ”
That’s how completely absurd the headline was.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 10 2025 15:03 utc | 511

The BiG BeauTiFul BiLL will raise the debt ceiling by $trillions as a favour to the oligarchs.
The idiots will stop pointing at the bond market for a while. None of their predictions came true.
AGAIN !
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Unfortunately, it won’t last As they have been brainwashed out of their tiny little minds. Their weak minds captured by GROUPTHINK. They’ll always point at it with a false understanding.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 10 2025 15:10 utc | 512

&507 Lovedonbass
Don‘t poke the RAF they will come at you.

Posted by: M | Jun 10 2025 15:15 utc | 513

Yep,…and meanwhile Putin still dilly dally and wondering whats next, scared or confused or both ?

Posted by: Hannibal | Jun 10 2025 15:15 utc | 514

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 10 2025 13:51 utc | 493
(…)
Anybody else here share their next of kin’s contact info? Didn’t think so. (…)
William Gruff, see the posters:
Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 1:54 utc | 339
Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 2:24 utc | 346
Posted by: Original Child | Jun 10 2025 2:51 utc | 355
Original Child has Peter’s family contact details.

Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 15:21 utc | 515

When someone does something we can’t understand, we should first question our premises.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 14:46 utc | 509
That’s why I think the trump/musk mayhem can be a public deniability for transferring musk assets (star link, spaceX and even doge data) to Russia

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 10 2025 15:32 utc | 516

If you are going to waste money on buying something from China, buy 1,000,000 extra-large condom and get the wrapper printed in Russian and English but with the size defined as small, then give them away for free at summer events in the UK to anyone particularly social media users.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 10 2025 15:33 utc | 517

Asymmetrical actions are ongoing in Los Angeles, which I think is the clearest signal possible that the West will not accept any degradation of its tools used to implement color revolutions or any type of other clandestine regime destabilization activities in a post Yalta architecture. Perhaps this is what the “palace coup”, as I have tagged it, that resulted in the “unknown” to Trump (mushroom treatment – kept in the dark a d fed excrament?) attacks on the RF Triad. Was Trump’s action in dismantling USAID and conceding some of that clandestine power too much for that faction to bear? Just a thought …

Posted by: frithguild | Jun 10 2025 15:33 utc | 518

Prevent access to rare earth metals used for military purposes

🇨🇳 China is the only country in the world that produces samarium.
The little-known rare earth metal is used almost exclusively for military purposes, and strict controls on its export have become a major vulnerability in U.S. military supply chains, The New York Times reports.
Samarium magnets can withstand temperatures at which lead melts, without losing their magnetic properties. This heat-resistant metal is needed, for example, for use in missile nose cones. The main American consumer of samarium is the aerospace and military contractor Lockheed Martin. Each F-35 fighter contains about 22.5 kg of samarium.

https://t.me/geromanat/52432

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2025 15:45 utc | 519

Seems to be a disagreement in misc. outlets about whether Russian missiles hit UK’s visa center in Kiev or UK’s former visa center. It may be, if they hit the current visa center, that Kiev will say it’s the former center as it no longer functions. IDK

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 15:46 utc | 520

Russia will continue to steer clear of hitting NATO outside of Ukraine. They will continue to slowly demolish Ukranian military assets and personel. Many villages and cities they enter are demolished on a scale like the WW 2 bombing of Germany with the exception that the civilians can leave prior to the assault.
They have started to hit targets in Western Ukraine harder and with greater freqeuncy. There is talk of dropping all the bridges across the Dniepper. Anything more than that is probably not going to happen IMHO.

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 10 2025 15:49 utc | 521

@Ma Laoshi | Jun 10 2025 14:51 utc | 510
Russia feared that the west was going to divert Russias focus too much from the Ukraine war. There was talk of a communication between Russia and Iran about the Syrian conflict risking to be much expanded and that both Russia and Iran didnt think that continued sacrifice there would be wise.
I may have got that wrong but such things were pointed out by various web-dwellers.
When one considers the EUs behaviour now it doesnt look like they think the Ukraine war will end any time soon.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 10 2025 15:50 utc | 522

Sorry about the formatting in 15:46 utc | 524. I should give up trying that

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 15:52 utc | 523

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 10 2025 15:03 utc | 515
I have read you for a very long time now and want to profit as well as the next guy . I don’t mind making money whilst bringing the stinking system down .
So please tell me , in a nutshell , and maybe in the OTHER thread , even though I studied Economics myself some time ago, why do you think MMT explains economic behaviour better than all the other theories? Why wouldn’t , the US being unable to sell its bonds, upset it?
If noone is buying their Treasuries then that means that there is little demand for the US dollar. That means it should go down in value compared to others, given all else is equal. Given the US makes little nowadays , and buys almost everything from China ,that means that the US Average Joe would find it harder to buy what they bought more easily only just yesteryear. So AvJoe gets hungrier, dirtier and angrier and may take it out on his gov. Why wouldn’t the Whitehouse and the Glued-to-their-chairs useless-eaters in the Beltway be scared of that ?

Posted by: Mustee | Jun 10 2025 15:53 utc | 524

The Isle of Man and Jersey etc are interesting as targets, the IoM is dependant on undersea cable power and a gas power station. Hitting both, I think, might cause some introspection.

Posted by: Knig | Jun 10 2025 15:56 utc | 525

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2025 15:45 utc | 523
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That’s where Russia’s ability to design new materials gives it a significant advantage over America.
They don’t have to be locked into one material when they can create a brand new one with similar or superior properties.
The Empire has fallen far behind, and few of us noticed it five years ago.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 16:04 utc | 526

persiflo | Jun 10 2025 0:43 utc | 303

People were asking for you every now and then. One day, Karl simply wrote “Peter has passed!” and we believed it, of course. Many obituaries were written (“a great barfly went on into the eternal saloon”), and I linked your flying experience to the song Ghost Riders in the Sky [Cash/Nelson].
Then you returned.
It was a bit disturbing, frankly. So I took action and decided to inform you about your demise, reminding that “you can’t post here”. Thus the origin of these posts was tied to the premise of your death for all to see, and it then so happened that this premise was not challenged for long after that. Reasonably, everyone concluded you were not posting from the grave, but an impostor had started using your handle for somewhat embarrassing ado.
I had assumed that Karl and you were in private contact, so when you began to insist that the pertinent reports were exaggerated I immediately informed him, expecting him to clear the situation. But he didn’t, because what he had from you was just an ultra-plain suicide note, and not a real confirmation.
So this is where we are.
I lay that all out here because, well, someone’s got to do it, right? Plus, I felt we had a good connection, despite our wildly different walks of life. Now I have to say that (1) your story above seems plausible, and explains all the conflicting evidence which has accumulated so far, and (2) some of your writing is characteristically insightful. Like offering me the label of “conservative socialist” – I don’t think a run-of-the-mill AI has that level of synthetic ability, nor does a typical troll worker in the bullshit factory. I have been closely reading all of your posts, and came upon more of such gems, which I find hard to attribute to anyone but the original.
I still squabble about the file on long rod penetrators which I named, though this is not strictly conducive for a proof positive on its own anyhow. One could come up with more of such questions, like “what was your email address” etc.
That’s all I have to say for now. Back to thread topic for me.

Is there not a word for one who steals, masquerades, puts on, the style and clothes of one deceased ?
Actually there are many ! Some are quite nice, but I do not think they fit our little rat.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jun 10 2025 16:06 utc | 527

If Israel transferred their Patriot systems to Ukraine (and I believe they did, because denial is confirmation) – isn’t that equal to admitting that the system doesn’t have any serious practical value?

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 16:06 utc | 528

>>>>: Bellerophon | Jun 10 2025 14:27 utc | 504

“Britain’s sole aircraft carrier” – Britain has two carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.

“the flagship of NATO’s fleet” – the French wouldn’t like that.

“sink one of Britain’s only two aircraft carriers” Do something to both of them – double the embarrassment.

“with an oreshnik” – Why waste an Oreshnik? Fire a couple of conventional tracking torpedoes with hardened steel bodies into the propellers to disable them and the ship, so it has to go to dry dock to be repaired..

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 10 2025 16:07 utc | 529

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Jun 10 2025 14:51 utc | 510
Can’t help but agree with a lot of that. I was also offended at the seeming cope from both Iran and Russia about losing Syria. One could say it was Russia’s first foray into a war in a country far away from its own land, so posing possibly insurmountable problems with logistics etc. I kept hoping that was the preeminent reason. So it was a steep and painful learning curve.
I’d hope their logistics are so much better now ; because if they aren’t , they will be much worse off when they break out of Donbass and over the Dneiper River.

Posted by: Mustee | Jun 10 2025 16:08 utc | 530

Since people are squeamish about even nuking legitimate targets in sLimeystan, how about this: just have a Poseidon sneak into Gare Loch and snuggle itself into the mud on the bottom of the loch… just for insurance, you know?
I am probably wrong, but as I understand it only one of sLimeystan’s four strategic nuke subs is on patrol at a time. Find the one on patrol (or nicely ask the Chinese where it is? They have some fancy satellite-based QE lidar that can locate submarines) and destroy that one. As Bellerophon @504 notes, hitting ships at sea wont be seen as an attack on territory, so no WWIII (even though it has already started, but whatever).
By the way, people really need to adjust their expectations with regards to oreshnik. It is an interesting weapon, and is likely an exceptional “bunker buster”, but it absolutely is not some universal wunderwaffe that is useful against all targets. In fact, it produces almost no surface or air blast, so it is useless against the vast majority of targets. You can probably be standing within a few meters of where one of its 36 kinetic impactors touches grass and not even get a scratch. The likely reason the Russians have not used it since Yuzhmash is that there just are not many good targets to use it against.
Another point to note is that posters recommending using nukes are the realists. Conventional bombs are just not as powerful as many posters seem to think. For example, the zionists have dropped more tonnage of bombs on that little strip of land, Gaza, than the Russians have in all of the Ukraine, yet there are still parts of Gaza that have not been flattened yet. Another example: The Russians hit the Kherson administration building with multiple FABs, yet a fair portion of the building is still standing.
While most posters’ notions of the power of conventional bombs needs to be scaled back a bit, their idea of the power of nukes is also fanciful. For example, the Beirut harbor blast was two to three hundred times the power of a small tactical nuke. Indeed, a small tactical nuke could have been used to detonate the ammonium nitrate and you wouldn’t have noticed it (don’t start that ignorant nonsense about “blinding flashes” and deadly fallout from the underground burst of such a tactical device until you do some of the math).
Truth is that if you want to trigger some “Shock & Awe” with the very limited strike potential that Russia is capable of, then nukes are your only option in the real world. An oreshnik strike on Diego Garcia would be laughed at. An Iranian strike with hundreds (note the plural) of conventional missiles might do some respectable damage, but it would really take a nuke strike to raise eyebrows.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 10 2025 16:12 utc | 531

Onde está armazenado o ouro russo que foi roubado e que o ocidente não pretende devolver?

Posted by: Cienfuegos | Jun 10 2025 16:18 utc | 532

Government spending prints reserves.
Bond sales ( government borrowing) drains reserves.
Or as they say in Wall street and in the City of London – ” You can’t do a reserve drain unless you have added to the reserves first. ”
The public debt is nothing more than all the $ spent by gov that haven’t yet been used to pay taxes. They sit in the economy as cash and as $ in reserve accounts and securities accounts (tsy secs) on the Fed’s books. It functions as the net money supply.
First dumb question :
The banks have about $18 trillion in depositor’s money-how are they going to pay it all back?
2nd dumb question:
The Federal Reserve Bank has about $36 trillion in deposits (reserve accounts/securities accounts/cash in circ)-how are they going to pay it all back ?
Nobody asks how the banks which hold $18 trillion in depositor’s money ( people’s savings) are going to pay it all back to savers.
Yet,
The brainwashed idiot, riddled in GROUPTHINK and neoconservative and neoliberal propaganda always ask how the FED is going to pay $36 trillion of people’s savings back to savers.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s unbelievable how stupid some people are.
Their belief system makes them believe after 50 years of propaganda getting rammed down their throats 24/7. That …
The MONOPOLY issuer of the $ that creates $’s at will has to borrow $’s or it will go bankrupt. Run out of $’s to spend.
As if the MONOPOLY issuer of the $ was a household. The propaganda that supports that household view.
It’s unbelievable how stupid people have to be to believe such bullshit. Yet 90% of the population believe this crap.
The truth is…
Not only does the MONOPOLY issuer of the $ that creates $’s at will gives YOU the $’s that you then use to pay your taxes. It also gives YOU the $’s that you then use to buy the bonds.
When it gives YOU the $’s that you then use to pay your taxes. It also gives YOU the $’s that you then use to buy the bonds.
Thinking it through logically. In what possible universe are you funding the government ?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The government is funding YOU. Not the other way around.
Yet, every time you walk into a voting station you vote against that funding ? Brainwashed out of your minds you vote against what funds YOU.
Instead, vote to walk into a bank ( which applies for a banking licence to issue state money when it lends ) prefer a bank loan milestone around your necks instead.
Vote for this choice every chance you get. Totally captured by the establishment that now controls your thoughts. Wall street that laughs at YOU !
Even though Musk has now confirmed after getting a sneak peak behind the green curtain what MMT’rs have been saying for 35 years. $’s are created from thin air by marking numbers up in someone’s account every time they make a payment to somebody.
Some of you still believe the tax payer money myth.
Are you just stupid ? Brainwashed out of your minds ? What is wrong with you ?
Answers on a postcard !
This headline designed to scare the brainwashed has completely captured your tiny little minds ..
“Wall Street SHAKEN: US Struggles to Sell $22 Billion in Bonds Amid the Most Dangerous Bond Auction”
The BORG own you at this point. Resistance is futile ! Dumb as a bag of spanners. You’ll still believe the US can run out of $’s.
It’s insanity on a stick.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 10 2025 16:18 utc | 533

I remember this other dembot poster who signed his posts with ASCII art.
!!
Whatever happened to him?
Or is he still with us?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 10 2025 16:26 utc | 534

SAS base in Herefordshire

Posted by: Marian Ruccius | Jun 10 2025 16:26 utc | 535

@Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 16:06 utc | 532
Yes, that is what I thought as well. If the choice is to be beaten by Russians or Ansar Allah, there is less humiliation from being beaten by Russians.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2025 16:27 utc | 536

“Don‘t poke the RAF they will come at you.”
You people don’t even have a bad argument, just none – and ridiculous slurs and bullshit plus Nazi/NATO-level craziness, what makes you sound like a psyop troll sent here by some CIA sub-company for social media PR, to make Russia supporters look like insane devils. “Russia must nukes this! Russia must nuke that! Putin weak! Replace Putin!”
You pretty much just shit into the ‘bar’, that’s it.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 16:27 utc | 537

On the Brit/Ukraine strikes – who knew in the US/CIA and how far up the chain of command did that information go?
Have just watched a bit of the judges shw with Larry Johnson who has talked with Lavrov and others.
CIA still stationed in the SBU building alongside SBU. Back in 2014, the US flag flew there alongside the Ukraine flag. I don’t know if it still does.
He said the CIA stationed there would certainly know which is obvious. But in talking to the judge, he wasn’t sure how far up the chain of command that information would go. He could have stopped with the agents stationed there or at any point up the chain of command.
UK certainly has full access to all US ISR.
But this yesterday from the Resident telegram channel –
“Our source in the Office of the President said that Zelensky was dissatisfied with the results of Andriy Yermak’s trip to the United States, as they had expected applause rather than criticism of the special operation. The President is determined to continue his escalation tactics with the Kremlin, despite the potential consequences and the failure of Trump’s peace plan.”
From everything else I have seen, to me, the entire whitehouse, not just Trump, hadn’t been informed of this operation.
I leave it a tiny bit open but to me knowledge of the operation by the CIA was limited to those in the SBU office or just slightly higher. I doubt it reached the director Tulsi Gabbard.
The Brits and Europeans knew the American power structure had swung away from the war on Russia after the dismal failure of the southern offensive.
This operation was part of the Brits and Europeans operation to pull the Americans back into the war with Russia. US only maintains a token presence there now, a tiny bit of aid has been trickling in that is apparently the last scraps of aid passed under the Biden admin.
For the Brits with their fanatical hatred of Russia, there one an only strategy is to pull US back into the war on Russia. Everything they do is focused around that one task, be it to pull the current US admin in or wait out the election cycle (keep the war against Russia going with Ukroid cannon fodder) and hope they can pull the next admin back in as this is Trumps last term in office.
Or more simply put – hope the globalist/loyalist faction in the US can retake the whitehouse for the next presidential term.
Russia is very likely considering all this when choosing targets for the response, though that SBU building is certainly a likely candidate.
It is highly possible US ISR was used in the strike on Russias strategic aviation but ‘who used it’ is the question.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 16:30 utc | 538

How are those negotiations working out? Why Can’t We All Just Get Along?

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 10 2025 16:32 utc | 539

That’s where Russia’s ability to design new materials gives it a significant advantage over America.
***
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 16:04 utc | 530
Generally speaking, having not looked into this particular metal, “rare earths” are not rare and exotic metals are not exotic. The US has erected regulatory “safety” barriers for dirty mining and manufacturing. So giving non US locations for these activities the midnight enacted “incumbent” advantage was part of the plan for whatever was the now long gone prevailing interest at the time. The regulatory agencies, full of China Syndrome believers and post modern educated will now fight the rear guard actions. Stuff like this makes mining of stuff like even Thorium impossible. You have to admire the ingeniousness of this system in protecting an anonymous investment.

Posted by: frithguild | Jun 10 2025 16:32 utc | 540

“While most posters’ notions of the power of conventional bombs needs to be scaled back a bit, their idea of the power of nukes is also fanciful. For example, the Beirut harbor blast was two to three hundred times the power of a small tactical nuke.”
Beirut Blast was around 1kt. Hiroshima 15kT and Nagasaki 21kT.
Your “small tactical nukes” would be no tactical nuke but something like the Davy Crocket with 0,01 up to 1kt of yield and fired like a rocket launcher (and an equally shit firing range of around 2,5 miles at best).
A pretty stupid invention and unlikely that Russia even got something like that lying around.
The smallest tactical nukes Russia got in service are those for Iskander and alike with 10-100kt of yield. So from 10 times Beirut to 100 times.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 16:37 utc | 541

9O% of UK households are sitting in their chairs with their TV dinners on their laps watching the BBC News that tells them 24/7 that Rachel Reeves has run out of £’s.
That Rachel Reeves will either have to
a) Borrow
Or
b) Raise taxes
To find the £’s.
90% of UK households believe this shit .
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yet, £’s are created from thin air. In a full monetary sovereign country. That issues the £ at will.
That’s the level of stupidity we are dealing with here. They are like a bunch of sheep being herded on a farm. 90% of the population captured and swimming in GROUPTHINK.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 10 2025 16:40 utc | 542

Hit Israel. There’s no greater loss for The West than that.

Posted by: joe | Jun 10 2025 16:42 utc | 543

There are about 12 rail lines into Ukraine from Romania, Poland, Slovakia and Hungary. They should be destroyed.
Kiev Airport should be destroyed.

Posted by: Bilejones | Jun 10 2025 16:45 utc | 544

frithguild | Jun 10 2025 16:32 utc | 544
The pentagon are prt way into creating a new supply chain. A number of mines here in Australia, I think one or two in canada, I think re opening an old mine in the US. US has little in the way of recoverable deposits.
Recoverable deposits a relatively scarce. at the next step in the chain, separating the elements from the clay ect is not too hard, but separating the elements from each other is very difficult and very expensive.
Russia has reserves sufficient for its own needs and does its own processing. Brazil has good reserves and I think process about the same amount as Russia. the rest shipped off as concentrate. Though Brazil is now in the process of greatly expanding rare earths processing into their separate elements.
China has very large reserves and so has developed its processing capabilities to be able to separate the elements at a much lower cost resulting in China becoming the worlds main supplier of the individual rare earth elements.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 16:46 utc | 545

Accidentally on purpose bomb unfriendly nations embassies in Kiev. Make sure to offer an apology afterwards, very sincerely. Make it like bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jun 10 2025 16:48 utc | 546

Beatrice @545
Your ignorance is very cringe-inducing.
Russia’s 2,000 tactical nuclear weapons overshadow US’ 250, sparking NATO concerns

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 10 2025 17:00 utc | 547

*** A number of mines here in Australia, I think one or two in canada, I think re opening an old mine in the US. ***
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 16:46 utc | 549
I do not know Samarium. However, mining finance is a doorway to influence the government where the mine is located, needless to say.

Posted by: frithguild | Jun 10 2025 17:04 utc | 548

“Beatrice @545
Your ignorance is very cringe-inducing.
Russia’s 2,000 tactical nuclear weapons overshadow US’ 250, sparking NATO concerns”
Child – what are you even talking about? Nothing in that article got anything to do with what I wrote.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 17:12 utc | 549

Fun treatment of this topic – Lavrov stating with 100% certainty Brits were involved in spiderweb – from a non MSM outlet:
Russia apparently harbours a deep resentment against the United Kingdom, which it blames for various manifestations of “Russophobia” on the world stage. Whether this is at work in this case, or if Russia finds itself feeling the need to shift blame away from the United States for Ukrainian attacks as it works to stay on President Trump’s good side during negotiations is unclear.

Posted by: frithguild | Jun 10 2025 17:18 utc | 550

The New York Times article about Samarium production is BS.
Although China is the largest producer of Samarium, it is not the only producer. In fact, the United States produces Samarium at The Mountain Pass Rare Earth Mine and Processing Facility, owned by MP Materials: https://mpmaterials.com/product/seg/
In addition to other countries, Australia (a US ally) produces Samarium at The Mount Weld Mine owned by Lynas Rare Earths Limited: https://lynasrareearths.com/products-our-products/our-products/
In fact, according to USGS data, the United States was, in 2024, the world’s second-largest producer of rare earths, behind China and surpassing Canada:
https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2025/mcs2025.pdf (p. 145)
Two interesting facts:
Russia’s rare earth production (2024): 2,500 tons
Russia’s rare earth reserves: 3,800,000 tons Tn
United States rare earth production (2024): 41,600 Tn.
United States rare earth reserves: 1,900,000 Tn
BTW, Brazil, although it has 21,000,000 Tn of rare earth reserves, produces very little (20 Tn in 2024).

Posted by: Caution | Jun 10 2025 17:19 utc | 551

Amazing grace how sweet the sound
That rebirthed a drunk like me
I was a homophobe
But now a dick hound
Detest my ex-wife’s pussy

Posted by: PErrorAU404 | Jun 10 2025 17:20 utc | 552

“United States rare earth production (2024): 41,600 Tn.
United States rare earth reserves: 1,900,000 Tn”
That’s a general problem of the USA why it is pretty much forced by its system to get more and more aggressive.
It got extremely high productions – and consumption – rates. And that burned through their reserves.
As it is now, USA is on second place behind Russia when it comes to resources. But 90% of what they got left is coal and wood.
People cry about Trump talking about annexing Canada – but this is just the usual Trump talking about what the USA is clearly thinking since many years already.
Canada got a lot of resouces and a very small population – and a very, very hungry neighbor who is denied his planed feast upon Russia, China, Iran and so on.
Venezuela is in a pretty bad place, too and should really keep good ties to BRICS to get at least some level of protection.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 17:31 utc | 553

Oreshnik?
Imo, the reason Russia hasn’t used Oreshniks since the one which was used to destroy an underground factory in Ukraine is probably because it was Experimental & Expensive to build.
i.e. its multiple warheads are each Rocket Powered = hypersonic.
Having conducted a successful Field Test, they are now manufacturing a Stockpile. So the next Oreshnik strike will be the first of a blizzard of Oreshniks.
Of course I could be wrong. But I’m super-confident that Oreshniks ain’t Cheap.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 10 2025 17:37 utc | 554

Given that the CIA was behind the truck launched drone atracks, a devastating response would be to use similar truck launched drones to drop incindiaries up and down the US west coast during wildfire season.
Alternatively use human intelligence and simply offer homeless people money or drugs if they start fires in the blue cities.

Posted by: Bellerophon | Jun 10 2025 18:02 utc | 555

Two points:
First
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hitting civilian infrastructure targets, with warnings to reduce casualties, could be not only less escalatory (in the minds of elites) than military targets; but would also force the minds of citizens to focus on the foreign interventions of their elites – and whether they should throw them out of office.
Grok says the UK has “1330 operational power stations”. Just taking out a couple of them, per week, would fully get the attention of the British public that their elites’ actions have consequences. Gradually “turning off the lights” in this fashion would be seen as an obviously measured serial attack, designed not to bring us WW3 in hurry, with plenty of opportunity to reverse course and de-escalate.
Second
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I remarked years ago that the Russians (other than rt.com, I suppose) have no program to truthfully propagandize the American public. They seem to direct all their efforts to diplomacy and trying to communicate at least their POV to mainstream media. The mainstream media in the US and much of the West is as corrupt as the Deep State that it subtly promotes….
At this point, I think it’d be just as effective to target European CITIZENS as the US CITIZENS.
So, they’d be best off ‘bombing’ the UK, e.g., with flyers, which again try to communicate with CITIZENS.
With all their missiles, I suppose they could modify them to ‘drop’ pamphlets from missiles that explode their contents in the air above major cities. The payloads would be small (so fewer flyers), but so widely dispersed that the government couldn’t absconds with them all, even if they wanted to.
A smallish missile would probably be less threatening than a bomber, which likely is nuclear capable.

Posted by: metamars | Jun 10 2025 18:06 utc | 556

The Wests aircraft carrier fleet is their primary means of force projection. But carriers are sitting ducks to new hypersonic antiship missiles. Give such missiles to the Houthis along with satellite targeting data. As soon as they sink one carrier all the others will be called back to home port.

Posted by: Bellerophon | Jun 10 2025 18:12 utc | 557

I concur with Peter AU1 542’s take
the Brits with their fanatical hatred of Russia, everything they do is focused around that one task, pull US back into the war…(keep the war against Russia going with Ukroid cannon fodder) and…hope the globalist/loyalist faction in the US can retake the Whitehouse
I also think London’s MI-6’s tweaking Russia, [and let’s face it, tweaking is all England has left to it, whatever the delusions England’s uppermost crust may have] is part of plan to get Russia to overreact which would, in turn, get Trump to overreact. It’s pretty clear to me that Langley and MI-6 work together outside of US Law/chain-of-command and have since the 1950’s.
TDS sufferers will lay all the world’s evil at Trump’s feet as an omnipresent evildoer while simultaneously claiming that he’s an ignoramus…sometimes in the same sentence.
The reality is when you are US President you are inside an information bubble and much of it is conjured distortion meant to mislead…by the nose. That’s what MI-6, working with the Langley’s legion of fifth columnists are doing, conjuring the conditions for sustaining the war and…judging by how easily they control the minds of TDS-sufferers, they are being quite successful.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 10 2025 18:41 utc | 558

Oreshnik?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 10 2025 17:37 utc | 559
I’m pretty much in agreement with that. My thought is that although considered a conventional weapon, it is also very much a strategic weapon. It first use ws to put and end to the talk in the west about using tactical nukes against Russia in Ukraine. And no day put an end to the facility where they may have been in the proses of build a ‘Ukrainian” nuke missile.
The strike on the airfields was a strike on Russia strategic deterrent so possibly Oreshnik will be used again, possibly not, depending I guess on the targets chosen.
The likes of the Zircon and Kinzal cn be used both as a strategic weapon and tactical weapon – a big class difference between them and Oreshnik – range, cost ect ect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 19:38 utc | 559

ak74 @ 497
Yes, they supply uranium fuel to US. Also to Europe. Europe also uses many techs and engineers from Russia. Boeing still gets all their titanium forgings from Russia.
As Putin said long ago “We have not even begun.”

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 10 2025 19:44 utc | 560

Trump may or may not have been “in on it”; I doubt we’ll ever really know. But you are absolutely right in pointing out that the CIA has a long history of operating behind the President’s back. We forget/ignore this at our peril.
Also, I appreciate your addressing the content of Peter AU1’s comment instead of engaging in the flame war over whether this incarnation is the real deal or an impostor.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 10 2025 19:55 utc | 561

Posted by: Rati | Jun 10 2025 13:37 utc | 489
As I was alluding to in my previous post (21:05, no. 190), why can’t the USA be punished for its role in initiating the coup d’etat that triggered the conflict in the first place? (Hats off to Carlos Marques (8:18, no. 423) and steel_porcupine (14:25, no. 501)
I’m still waiting for a good answer as to why the US should be let off the hook.

Posted by: joey_n | Jun 10 2025 20:45 utc | 562

@Peter AU1 #283
Firing an Oreshnik at an Ukrainian official, even say Budanov, is using a steam triphammer to squash a raisin.
There are plenty of targets meriting the use of an Oreshnik: airfields, rail junctures, some part of the port in Odessa, ammunition dumps, maybe the odd command bunker or two.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2025 21:52 utc | 563

Bild are reporting that an F-16 shot down a SU35 near Korenevo, aided by Ukraine’s new Saab 340 AWACS.
Any truth in this report, or is it in line with the “Russia is losing !” videos that youtube serves up in its sidebar?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 10 2025 9:31 utc | 436
SU35 shot down by Patriot. The ambush was set up by placing the Patriot right in the heart of a residential area of Sumy city. The purpose was to bait a Russian retaliation and project this as another war crime.
I must admit I am surprised that the Russian have not use a Lancet to go hunting for the Patriot system.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 10 2025 22:31 utc | 564

Beirut Blast was around 1kt. Hiroshima 15kT and Nagasaki 21kT.

You’re way off.
https://www.drbairdonline.com/nuked/the-telltale-crater-and-nuclear-smoking-gun/

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 11 2025 2:36 utc | 565

c1ue | Jun 10 2025 21:52 utc | 568
Kalibr, Zircon would cover most of those clowns so long as they are under observation at every and any point in time. If they go deep, then the big boy comes in.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 2:47 utc | 566

Why does the front lack forces?
For now, we can only crawl. There is a desire to take Sumy in pincers, squeezing the Banderites out of the city. The question is – where to get forces? With those companies that are attacking, we can crawl to Sumy in a month or two. But to encircle large populated areas, you need to have personnel twice as large as the troops that enter the city and storm it. Because you need to provide an inner and outer ring to prevent the enemy from trying to unblock the city. And we objectively do not have the forces for this.
By the way, the enemy, for better or worse, is in the tenth or twelfth wave of busification. The enemy is ready to throw 18-year-olds and women into battle.
For now, we can only crawl. There is a desire to take Sumy in pincers, squeezing the Banderites out of the city. The question is – where to get forces? With those companies that are attacking, we can crawl to Sumy in a month or two. But to encircle large populated areas, you need to have personnel twice as large as the troops that enter the city and storm it. Because you need to provide an inner and outer ring to prevent the enemy from trying to unblock the city. And we objectively do not have the forces for this.
Those who fought, are fighting, who are familiar with the situation at the front talk about the need for mobilization. After 22nd, mobilization has not been carried out, believing that we have enough forces to achieve the goals set by the President.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 11 2025 3:16 utc | 567

“Those who fought, are fighting, who are familiar with the situation at the front talk about the need for mobilization.”
It’s a shortage of forces which keeps Russian progress at such a slow pace and still fighting at its border.

Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 11 2025 3:19 utc | 568

Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 11 2025 3:16 utc | 572
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Source?
Russia has been enlisting 30k net each month. They have the manpower. A better question would be, why haven’t they committed more manpower yet?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 3:22 utc | 569

Source?
Russia has been enlisting 30k net each month. They have the manpower. A better question would be, why haven’t they committed more manpower yet?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 3:22 utc | 574
https://t.me/s/segodnia_ru

Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 11 2025 3:59 utc | 570

Russia should do something very harmful to the most evil American company- Blackrock
AND- something harsh, with plausible deniability, to the Rothschild Banking Conglomerate.
The heads of both of these are in the core group that is driving this proxy war against Russia, hoping to provoke ww3, to cover up their collapsing western banking system ponzi scheme.

Posted by: Mrnickster | Jun 11 2025 4:10 utc | 571

Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 11 2025 3:59 utc | 575
#######
As expected, a “Doomer” publication.
I used to think you were a NAFO troll. Now I realize that you don’t practice information hygiene.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 4:52 utc | 572

I think that the best answer would be to sink one UK aircraft carrier. It is pure military target without risk of civil casualties. If hit in proper place, nuclear contamination of populated may be limited. It will also bring again a balance in forces of nuclear deterrence.

Posted by: Milan | Jun 11 2025 6:41 utc | 573

Two points: Yesterday morning a disheveled and worried looking Larry had a strange conversation with Nima of Dialogue Works– had just arrived in Moscow. I say strange because Nima kept struggling to find a question, while Larry seemed at a loss for words himself. Later I saw a snatch of video in which an expansively relieved looking Lavrov was seated next to Elon Musk’s father, whom Larry had described as very personable.
Second point, no western media other than New Zealand, have mentioned the absence of Ukranian side persons to the Istanbul talks in order to receive the thousand bodies of Ukranian troops for burial. They simply did not show up.
Word is they will reschedule for next week sometime.
Question: Are the two bits of info from down under, Mr.Musk and the NZ news item, southern connections with Russian early awareness of possibly shady dealings during the Ukraine switch over to a full on terrorist operation, possibly summoned to Moscow along with Larry for interrogation during an ongoing possibly serious buildup to a nuclear attack? Possibly, possibly, possibly.
Larry has been the one person on internet talk shows emphasizing the serious nature of the attacks, has commented on one of those that it was a different Moscow he had arrived into from his previous visit. There were groups of military outside his hotel this time.
The ‘southern’ news item members are important, not so much because of race, but because of location: not Saxon, north; Anglo, south. They indicate listening posts, have done so since the Iraq wars. And if anyone would be privy to starlink information, it would be Elon Musk’s father. (He is South African?)
So, a no-show in Istanbul, along with a show of southerners, in Moscow.
An assymetrical response?

Posted by: juliania | Jun 11 2025 8:08 utc | 574

Sorry, ‘asymmetrical’. Fingers shaky after midnight.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 11 2025 8:09 utc | 575

Posted by: Milan | Jun 11 2025 6:41 utc | 578
They are powered by gas turbines not NPP’s and the UK does not have air dropped nukes so the location to avoid fallout from it sinking would be any place on earth.

Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 11 2025 8:20 utc | 576

“… It is highly possible US ISR was used in the strike on Russias strategic aviation but ‘who used it’ is the question.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 16:30 utc | 542
My 579 above (before I’d read yours, Peter) might give an additional twist to your excellent question. We should remember that Putin does prefer an anticipationary response to oncoming violence, judo master that he is.
It might put Trump’s call to Putin in a different light, even as well the activities of one Lindsay Graham — (though the latter might be too much to hope for.) Three ‘mights’ to answer my three ‘possible’s.
And then there’s the two juicy big bills to keep Congress busy salivating…
Well, it could all just be coincidence. Nothing to see here … on the other hand, Lavrov did look SO happy.
I’m off to bed.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 11 2025 8:36 utc | 577

Scare the sh*t out of NATO, and thereby paralyze the West with indecision. Launch two missiles simultaneously toward Ukraine, with overlapping trajectories. The first one has a nuclear warhead ,,, a very low yield nuclear warhead, that is. Its trajectory brings it to a very rural part of far-western Russia. It detonates there—instead of over Ukraine—as an airburst ,.. not close enough to the ground to produce any significant radioactive fallout, but not high enough to generate an EMP.
The other missile’s trajectory sends it toward far-western Ukraine, and it will take a couple of extra minutes to get there. In the mean time, following the nuclear detonation, the West will be sweating bullets, wondering what the payload package of this second missile will be. But all it produces is a powerful conventional blast. Then make the West sit there and think about what just happened. They will argue among themselves. Some will scream that they must respond with a nuclear response, while others will cry that that is reckless, since the warhead was detonated over Russia instead of any other country, and any use of a nuclear weapon in response by NATO would be a dangerous escalation.
They will reach no consensus, and they will start to distrust each other’s judgment. They will form competing circles of friends and allies among themselves, and will be unable to act in unison.
Do this at about 4:00 to 4:30 in the morning, so that virtually no one will be blinded by the flash, and probably no civilian airliners will be affected.
Good luck with it.
Larry Joyce

Posted by: LarryMOA | Jun 11 2025 10:20 utc | 578

Of course, Lavrov sharing stage with multibillionaire, Dugin money backed Musk, disavowing all those “liberal” ideas and supporting SMO.
I’m welcoming the the many light rays emanating from the Kremlin these days.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 11 2025 11:33 utc | 579

@556 ” In fact, the United States produces Samarium at The Mountain Pass Rare Earth Mine and Processing Facility, owned by MP Materials: https://mpmaterials.com/product/seg/
Yes MP mine does produce Samarium. But they only produce it in concentrate form. The page in their web site you linked says so.
Samarium concentrate is then shipped to China for further processing
The final step is the dirty and expensive part. Which US and California regulations do not allow.
But US mining companies are working on cleaner ways to process Rare earths. It will just be a matter of time before they come up with a clean way to produce Samarium. But in the meantime the US will have to rely on foreign nations for Samarium process.

Posted by: golddigger | Jun 11 2025 13:57 utc | 580

The vast majority of suggestions are for poorly considered escalations. I did triage and found the sensible ideas:
ltexpat | Jun 9 2025 16:10 utc | 15
”territories of NATO countries in the South Atlantic, Indian and Pacific Oceans are not covered by the NATO treaty and should not trigger a valid Article 5 response.” That includes Diego Garcia.
Pastrytart | Jun 9 2025 16:13 utc | 16
”Hit British covert operations bases abroad.”
SO | Jun 9 2025 16:28 utc | 19
” NATO missile bases in Poland that are Nuke capable should be erased by Oreshniks. Escalation on anyone who retaliates. NATO or not.”
Jim C. | Jun 9 2025 16:39 utc | 26
”Strike the wholly illegal US bases in Syria.”
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 16:43 utc | 27
”Russia could always try giving the wreck of the SS Richard Montgomery a prod, just to see how stable ~1,000 tonnes of deteriorating WW2 explosives actually are.”
My note on that wreck: Wiki: “SS Richard Montgomery was an American ship, wrecked on n the Thames Estuary, near Sheerness (pop. 13,000), Kent, in August 1944. About 1,400 tons of explosives remain on board .” Her three masts still loom above the water line. New Scientist Magazine: “The government’s Explosives Research and Development Establishment (ERDE) had calculated in 1972 that the blast from an explosion at the wreck would shatter virtually every window in Sheerness and send a 300-metre-wide column of mud, metal and munitions shooting up almost 3 kilometres into the air.
Waqas | Jun 9 2025 17:09 utc | 39
”It really shouldn’t be that difficult to offer a clear response: stop the bloodshed in Gaza.”
They Call Me Mister | Jun 9 2025 17:20 utc | 48
”Crack apart German industry without so much as a bomb on German soil. There are any number of ways to make this much worse for Europe, such as severing any Russian energy transfers.”
steven t johnson | Jun 9 2025 17:30 utc | 53
”Open as massive a trade program with DPRK, designed to truly break the economic siege as much as possible, “
calixtus | Jun 9 2025 17:34 utc | 57
”if the russians have proof that the CIA was behind it, they should make that public, humiliate trump, so that he will have no choice but to try to get control of the three letter agencies.”
Newbie | Jun 9 2025 18:23 utc | 83
”At a minimum, a CIA antenna office, with known connections with ukraine secret services must be obliterated, working hours, all lives lost.”
Further triage would require sorting the targets into the US, the UK, NATO and, for Palestine and North Korea, the world generally.
They Call Me Mister | Jun 9 2025 19:07 utc | 117
”All Russian actions should be taken with a mind to splitting NATO governments from their populations and each other, not mindlessly uniting them behind a common purpose.”
Paco | Jun 9 2025 19:24 utc | 130
”Move the UN from New York City to Sochi.”
Ma Laoshi | Jun 9 2025 19:30 utc | 135
”Stopping the Black-Sea target-acquisition flights instead of just whining about them “
Dave | Jun 9 2025 19:53 utc | 149
”Provide weapons to the Shia militias in Iraq to start attacking US bases and also help Hezbollah to replenish ammo.”
Jason | Jun 9 2025 21:47 utc | 211
”Even after the war is over NATO will use Ukies to target Russian strategic assets unless deterrence is executed upon them.”
CitizenSmith | Jun 9 2025 22:45 utc | 235
”Russia should publish all the dirty secrets of Western politicians and oligarchs; all the secrets that allow them to be blackmailed, and with plenty of evidence.
Whatever Epstein and Mossad have; Russian security has too.”

ld | Jun 9 2025 23:28 utc | 257
”Release evidence from the bio warfare labs on Russia’s borders.”
The thread lost relevance after it got diverted to aimless discussion about PeterAU1.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Jun 11 2025 16:27 utc | 581

golddigger | Jun 11 2025 13:57 utc | 586
I recommend you to read the explanation linked below, before any further posts. It dissects the NYT’s article.
https://tammyrobert.substack.com/p/saskatchewans-rare-earth-revolution

Posted by: Caution | Jun 11 2025 16:42 utc | 582

@588. I posted about Samarium. I do not read the NY slimes.
The bonehead in the blog you linked knows nothing.
SRC does not produce Samarium at this time. Please read below. #11 and #15 lists SRC’s production. Much of it is concentrate that requires further production. As i said. Splitting the REE from each other in the concentrate is the dirty part.
Please Do some research.
https://www.src.sk.ca/sites/default/files/files/resource/SRC%20Rare%20Earth%20Processing%20Facility%20FAQs%202023.pdf

Posted by: golddigger | Jun 11 2025 18:49 utc | 583

juliania | Jun 11 2025 8:36 utc | 582
The grand chessboard. From what I can see, Putin and Lavrov are the ultimate players. Regardless of London lashing out, I think they have London on the ropes. Now its just a matter of seeing which way the Americans go. A bit of a battle going on there.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 19:12 utc | 584