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June 9, 2025
Russia Seeks ‘Asymmetrical’ Response For Strike On Its Nuclear Assets

There is some confusion over Russia's response to the June 1/2 attacks on railway infrastructure and its strategic nuclear forces.

To recap:

On Saturday/Sunday Ukrainian diversion groups used explosives to destroy two Russian railroad bridges in the Kursk and Bryansk region. These bridges were located some 50 kilometer north of the Sumy region frontline. The hits will impact, if only for a short time, the railway bound supply of Russian forces north of Sumy.

One of the bridge explosions destroyed a civil passenger train. Some 10 people were killed and some 100 were wounded. This was likely intended and thereby a terror attack.

On Sunday morning a large scale operation by the Ukrainian secret service managed to attack multiple strategic airfields throughout Russia. Ukrainian sources claimed attacks on five airfields and the destruction of more than 40 strategic bombers.

Current damage assessment confirms attacks on two airfields and the destruction or damaging of up to 10 bombers.

It is very important to distinguish these attacks. While both coincided with negotiations between Ukraine in Russia in Istanbul, and were clearly timed to influence those, the purpose was larger.

The railroad attacks were planned to hinder rearward logistics of Russia's operation in Ukraine's Sumy region. That a civilian train was hit by these was likely seen by the Ukrainian forces as an additional feature but not as a main purpose. Still, it is the mass harm of civilians that make this otherwise permissible attack on a quasi-military target a terrorist act. The Russian side has emphasized this.

The attack on the strategic bombers of Russia's nuclear triad (land based nuclear missiles, submarine based nuclear missiles, air carriers for launching nuclear bombs and missiles) hit at a much higher level. It was a military attack on a strategic military target. Russia's publicly announced doctrine allows for the use of nuclear forces to retaliate for such an attack on its nuclear assets. This independent of the immediate source of the attack.

The attack on the railway bridges were an operation that is typical for British services. It has been reported and is well known that British services have advised and helped the Ukrainians to launch sea drones against Russia in the Black Sea, to cross the Dnieper river in Krinki and in other operations of higher propaganda value.

The Russian Foreign Minister has accused the U.K of direct involvement in the terrorist attack.

Several western experts of U.S. special services believe, as the Russian's do, that the operation against its nuclear forces have a different actor behind them – most likely the CIA. It is unlikely that Ukraine would have been able to identify and target those airfields without the intelligence acquired by U.S. sources. There is also no military benefit for Ukraine to attack Russian air bases far from its territory.

It has been reported that since 2014 the CIA had build some 20 stations in Ukraine from where it operates against Russia. Several high ranking Ukrainian intelligence actors, including the head of its military intelligence service General Budanov, have been trained by the CIA and are actively cooperating with it.

The CIA has a special unit dedicated to long term plans to harm Russia. As the Washington Post once described it:

The warren of cubicles was secured behind a metal door. The name on the hallway placard had changed often over the years, most recently designating the space as part of the Mission Center for Europe and Eurasia. But internally, the office was known by its unofficial title: “Russia House.”

The unit had for decades been the center of gravity at the CIA, an agency within the agency, locked in battle with the KGB for the duration of the Cold War. The department’s prestige had waned after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and it was forced at one point to surrender space to counterterrorism officers.

But Russia House later reclaimed that real estate and began rebuilding, vaulting back to relevance as Moscow reasserted itself. Here, among a maze of desks, dozens of reports officers fielded encrypted cables from abroad, and “targeters” meticulously scoured data on Russian officials, agencies, businesses and communications networks the CIA might exploit for intelligence.

'Russia House' was deeply involved in creating the hoax about Russian interference in U.S. elections. Former nuclear weapon inspector Scott Ritter as well as others have asserted that political control over 'Russia House' is less stringent than desirable.

Another data point for the CIA's involvement was a piece by David Ignatius, its spokesperson at the Washington Post which openly threatened further attacks on Russia's strategic nuclear assets:

Ukraine’s dirty war is just getting started (archived) – David Ignatius / Washington Post

Ukraine has considered a naval version of the sneak-attack tactic it used so effectively on Sunday. The sources said the [Ukrainian intelligence service] SBU weighed sending sea drones hidden in cargo containers to attack ships of Russia and its allies in the North Pacific. But, so far, they apparently have yet to launch these operations.

'Russia House' continues to be busy. Still, even 'Russia House' needs a legal bases to act which usually comes in the form of presidential findings.

The conclusion from this is that the CIA, with the knowledge of the White House, has planned and directed the Ukrainian attack on Russia's strategic air fields.

The different qualities of the two attacks on June 1/2 require different responses. One response, throughout the last days, has come by strong Russian missile and drone attacks against military and military-industrial targets throughout Ukraine.

The Washington Post erred when it headlined:

Ukrainian cities pounded by Russia in retaliation for Sunday drone strike (archived) – Washington Post

The assault appears to be retaliation for Ukraine’s extensive attack on Russia’s bomber fleet on Sunday, targeting air bases across Russia and damaging many nuclear-capable aircraft.

The Russian attacks, by each some 500 missiles and drones over several nights, have obviously been in the plans for some time. They are not very special. Russian sources have explicitly said that these attacks were in response to Ukraine' terrorist attack:

Russian military retaliated against Kiev’s ‘terrorism’ – MODRT

The barrage, which included air-, sea-, and land-based missiles as well as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), was a response to recent “terrorist acts” carried out by Kiev, Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Friday.

Ukraine blew up railway bridges in Russia last week, derailing civilian and freight trains and killing at least seven and injuring over 120.

What we have so far seen as Russia's response to the attacks was only related to the terror attack which harmed civilians.

The retaliation for the attack on Russia's strategic nuclear assets has yet to come.

The U.S. knows this:

US Believes Russia Response To Ukraine Attack Not Over Yet: OfficialsReuters

The United States believes that Russian President Vladimir Putin's threatened retaliation against Ukraine over its drone attack last weekend has not happened yet in earnest and is likely to be a significant, multi-pronged strike, US officials told Reuters.

The first official said Moscow's attack would be "asymmetrical," meaning that its approach and targeting would not mirror Ukraine's strike last weekend against Russian warplanes.

Russia launched an intense missile and drone barrage at the Ukrainian capital Kyiv on Friday and Russia's Defense Ministry said the strike on military and military-related targets was in response to what it called Ukrainian "terrorist acts" against Russia. But the US officials believe the complete Russian response is yet to come.

Putin told President Donald Trump in a telephone conversation on Wednesday that Moscow would have to respond to attack, Trump said in a social media post.

Trump later told reporters that "it's probably not going to be pretty."

Trump claims that the U.S. had not known of the attack on Russia's strategic bombers. It is possible that Trump did not know about it. He may not have been informed to enable him to give a plausible denial. He may also simply lie about it. There is no doubt though in my mind that the U.S. was involved in it.

There is speculation that Russia will respond by attacking government buildings, especially those of the special services, in Kiev.

I doubt that this is a sufficient response for the attack on strategic nuclear assets. The Ukrainians would take a beating by such a strike but the U.S., which is undoubtedly behind the attack, would be left unharmed.

There would be nothing to deter the U.S., or others, to further chip away at Russia's nuclear retaliation capability by, for example, attacking – as Ignatius already announces – the bases of Russia's nuclear submarine fleets.

No. Any response for the attack on Russia's nuclear forces must include a very strong warning to the U.S. to not further walk down that path.

I do not know if the U.S. military still has some B-52 bombers on Diego Garcia. Destroying those would be adequate. Other potential targets are U.S. submarines and their bases. An attack on U.S. personnel that was involved in planing the attack would also be appropriate.

But all such operation could potentially lead to escalation. Especially while a hawkish Senate and blob is pushing against Trump's attempt to reestablish good relation with Russia.

Russia will need something different:

Let’s be honest: repeating slogans like “our response will be success on the battlefield” won’t cut it here. Ukraine’s leadership isn’t acting out of military logic, but emotional desperation. Their calculation is political. So Russia’s response must be political, too – emotionally resonant, unmistakably firm, and, above all, creative.

This doesn’t mean rash escalation, but we can’t rely on the old playbook. Hitting the same military targets again and again achieves little. Striking Ukraine’s energy infrastructure? Done. Launching another missile as a ‘demonstration’? Predictable. Escalating to mass casualties? Unnecessary and, frankly, counterproductive.

So what’s left?

Innovation.

Russia must now think asymmetrically. That might mean a covert action so unexpected that it catches Ukraine completely off guard. Or it could involve striking symbolic targets that shift the psychological balance. The key is to remind Kiev – and its patrons – that nothing they do goes unanswered, and that the cost of provocation will always outweigh the benefit.

You are invited to brainstorm in the comments what kind of operation might those criteria.

One asymmetrical response I can think of would be an attack on British, not U.S. owned, strategic assets. Any hit on Britain would be well deserved anyway. A strike against British nuclear assets would be strong enough to be understood by the U.S. as a severe warning while it would be unlikely to lead to escalation. The Brits are unable to escalate on their own and the U.S. will be unwilling to go there.

The planning for any asymmetrical operation will take a while. It therefore do not expect the Russian response for the attack on its nuclear assets to occur with the next days.

Later this week there will be another meeting of Russia's security council. The revenge for the strike on Russia's  strategic assets will certainly be part of its agenda.

Comments

Daydreaming is on the cheap today. We know Putin, he will take the boring lane and will do the unspeakable in order not to risk an escalation with the west. More slow motion special op from the ruskies incoming, more holliwodesque terrorism from banderistan and the trump pacifist clown circus on the background

Posted by: Mariátegui | Jun 10 2025 6:58 utc | 401

Peter AU1″ @ 46 is a sock puppet.
Kudos for attempting to steal his handle as a form of appreciation, but shame on you for doing so and being a coward.
Posted by: Suresh | Jun 9 2025 21:48 utc | 212
Might be good to wait for Karlof1.

Posted by: Michael J | Jun 10 2025 6:58 utc | 402

Scuse the language after a few elixirs, but fuck I had to laugh at that one Thatguy. Yours to, is a new name to me even though you obviously have been around sometime. I have read a number of your on topic posts.
It seems the shadow I cast in my ‘former’ life was larger than me, and now my ghost is larger than my shadow.
How did a messed up, very ill shitkicker ever stumble into a place like this?
DunGroanin | Jun 10 2025 6:19 utc | 387
What too say. I put a comment on the open thread, but taking taking my ghostly presence across there appears a hopeless cause.
It seems my mere presence is greatly disruptive of thread topics… will have to purchase a bigger hat. Perhaps take more ibufen to prevent my head from swelling.
You have been very much in that group I mentioned in the open thread.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 7:01 utc | 403

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 6:53 utc | 402
Psychology 101
Defence mechanisms:
Projection: Attributing one’s own unacceptable feelings or impulses to someone else. (For example, a person who is angry at their friend may accuse the friend of being angry at them.

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 7:01 utc | 404

“Please stop shaking your finger at other’s opinions. It makes you seem deranged.”
You really think I care about the opinion of people who want to nuke cities? And I read that you want to give them a warning to evacuate – that’s still nuking a city, still killing ten- if not hundredthousands who won’t make it or just don’t want to leave, not trusting this warning. And robbing those 3 million people of their homes and the lives they have built up plus pushing the whole country into chaos plus the radiation.
And all that over some old soviet bombers.
Yeah, for sure that would not be very succesfully exploited by NATO and make a hell lot of anti NATO countries on this planet switch sides for that…
Even if you ignore all the gigantic suffering of millions of innocent you cause with this, it would be absolutely stupid for Russia to do this.
What you say here is EXACTLY what NATO was hoping for, that Russia shows the whole world how stupid evil they are.
You say that Russia should do exactly what NATO wants. All you “RUSSIA MUST SHOW STRENGHT BY GOING BATSHIT CRAZY ON UKRAINE, NO, WHOLE NATO!” people are.
Congrats. Maybe you should ask NATO for some financing and if they want to make you the next Navalny, as perfectly as you push their agenda…
Do you people not get what NATO is most pissed about regarding Putin?
That he acts so calm and sophisticated. THIS is driving them crazy. That they can’t fool him as all the others. As they would fool you, hot headed as you people are. Nothing is easier than to manipulate such a person.
Is Russia getting hurt by NATO’s attacks? Yes.
But this is NOTHING in comparison what they planed to do and still hope for, but this would only work via fooling Putin. And he absolutely does not fall for that.
Be glad and thankful about that, because it would as horrible if not worse for us than for Russia.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 7:02 utc | 405

xblob | Jun 9 2025 21:28 utc | 198
i agree that downing satellites is the optimal reaction, it can be done by sea launched missiles and then the Kremlin can say “oh no, it wasn’t us”.
For article 5 i doubt EU fragile governments will arm thousands of disaffectioned local men to fight an enemy nobody gives a fuck about. Believe it or not although the majority agrees with local media nobody hates Russia enough to go die in a ditch leaving sir Singh and sir Ahmed to keep Maria company.

Posted by: 667 | Jun 10 2025 7:03 utc | 406

While CIA inputs were surely there for the airfield attacks, I have a feeling that there is a Mossad component to this too. Finding resources inside Russia to help carry out these attacks will be much easier for Mossad than the CIA. This is because many Israelis have relatives in Russia.
Even for the train attacks, Mossad is likely to have supported MI6 with resources inside Russia.

Posted by: gb_grave | Jun 10 2025 7:16 utc | 407

“Israel has transferred Patriot missile systems to Ukraine – ambassador”
https://www.rt.com/russia/618877-israel-patriot-missiles-ukraine/

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 7:22 utc | 408

Russia should oreshnik MI6 Headquarters in London, yes, that wonderful extraterrestrial object parked in Central London. With a warning to vacate the premises before they do it if they (the Russians) are in a good mood. The whole world would laugh at the Brits and NATO will hardly invoke Article 5 because of a practical joke.

Posted by: Christophe DOUTE | Jun 10 2025 7:25 utc | 409

I came late and haven’t read many posts yet so apologies if this has been said by many others:
I don’t think Russia wants to strike within the borders of Nato countries, partly because that’s exactly what Nato wants in order to get a full, nuclear WWIII.
However, they probably have good knowledge of the whereabouts of the most aggressive states’ real estate entities in Ukraine. US & UK in particular. And they also probably know what those properties are used for. If they don’t have this knowledge, they would have to achieve it.
I would then destroy all real estate owned by the major Nato aggressors in “Ukraine proper”. Starting with the most war-relevant places. Like, if “Russia House” is a house IRL and not only an idea – idk – I’d say any place those people congregate should be flattened. With or without bigwigs in them.

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 7:29 utc | 410

“I don’t think Russia wants to strike within the borders of Nato countries, partly because that’s exactly what Nato wants in order to get a full, nuclear WWIII.”
NATO does not want a nuclear 3.WW, because that stands for its own and absolute death.
NATO wants the THREAT of a nuclear 3.WW and the whole world seeing it as coming from Russia, by that uniting against it, pressuring it into defeat, leading to it bowing down and becoming nothing more than a small, exploitable servant.
That’s their ‘idea’.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 7:33 utc | 411

Jake is a banned Aussie.
Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 3:23 utc | 362
Whom is you and the banned Spectator ~ *twinkle* ~ you naughty sock puppet you.
Cant wait until it happens to lovedumbass, gorge, peat the drunk domestic violence practitioner.
All Blow Hards – whereas Thatguy, Jake Blanchard and Spectator no where near as bad as these. Just goes show the standards imposed here. But that’s what madness looks like-irrational and stupid. 🙂

Posted by: Original Child | Jun 10 2025 7:35 utc | 412

Iran stated it has intel on Israel nuclear program and EU/US collaboration.
Russia provided cyber hacks?
Providing intel that causes political storms could be effective and asymmetric.

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 10 2025 7:37 utc | 413

Someone (prbly a troll) suggested that terrorist attacks can’t happen to military sites. Well if it is covert, pretending to be civilian, and abuses civilians who know nothing to e.g. drive the truck, then it is by definition terrorism.
It many not be “illegal” in every sense if the target it military but it is still terrorism.
What I mean by this is that during WWII the resistance often used terrorism against the Nazis, sometimes successfully, sometimes not, and I think in most cases they were aware that this was terrorism, but it was still the morally right thing to do. So it depends.

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 7:38 utc | 414

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 22:32 utc | 229
Peter, Lord Jesus is the answer. Just surrender your life to Lord and invite him to your heart and enjoy the fruits of salvation freely available to those who believe.
Luke chapter 15 for you.

Posted by: Michael J | Jun 10 2025 7:39 utc | 415

Well, Russia has agreed to construct a number of nuclear power plants in Iran.
That is certainly a poke in the eye for the Zionazis and their lackeys in Warshington!

Posted by: egreigious | Jun 10 2025 7:52 utc | 416

“What I mean by this is that during WWII the resistance often used terrorism against the Nazis, sometimes successfully, sometimes not, and I think in most cases they were aware that this was terrorism, but it was still the morally right thing to do. So it depends.”
There is a difference between a region in general being a warzone and one side going against civilians anyway, like the Nazis did, who got civilians as one of their main targets, they killed WAY more cilivian than soldiers and would have killed many, many dozens of millions more if not stopped.
The whole point why it is forbidden to disguise as civilians is, that you are making them a target that way and take all protection away from them. If the other side targets them already anyway, there is no impact, no difference and it’s not like the allies disguised themselves as cilians for attacks, more that civilians picked up arms to join the fight. Overall 2.WW was clearly not a war or morals. Several sides were brutal war criminals (what includes the western allies, who loved to carpet bomb cities, mainly slaughtering civlians in those – up to two nukes to just obliterate two cities) while other sides fought for their very survival indeed, because the enemy’s goal was total extinction, in that case nothing else but to stop that enemy is of any importance anymore.
What is likely also how they Banderas and NATO Nazis will whitewash it, since they tell this lie anyay, that Russia is trying to genocide Ukraine and is mass murdering civilians, so it makes no difference.
Of course that lie is ridiculous as we can see in Kiev alone, which is not burned down ruins as it would be since 2+ years if Russia would go for a genocide or just don’t care about civilian lives. They could easily burn Kiev to the ground without any problem that would actually be much easier than what they are doing instead.
Russia bleeds for Ukraine not do die – while the fascist Banderas Regime and NATO keeps stabbing Ukraine…

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 7:54 utc | 417

Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 10 2025 7:37 utc | 416
Some news hint that part of the info was obtained by Hebrew Jews spies.
Maybe that dirty games can be played by both sides.
Mossad can help mi6 from inside RF but RF can help Iran from inside Israel.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 10 2025 8:01 utc | 418

lol. This is what I call non-symmetric.
‘ Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺
@ejmalrai
3h
Iran’s Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Committee spokesperson, Ibrahim Rezaii, announced that Iran is signing an agreement with Russia to build eight nuclear power plants, four of which will be in Bushehr.
Jun 10, 2025 · 4:39 AM UTC ‘

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 10 2025 8:14 utc | 419

USA’s decade long plan was always: proxy war against Russia, aka USA gives money and weapons, while the vassals are sacrificed.
Ukraine was totally sacrificed, Belarus and Georgia would have been to if CIA’s coups had been a success, and Europe, SO FAR, is “only” sacrificing its money and future…
So, as long as USA’s vassals are the only ones being sacrificed, USA’s plan is a success, there is a continuous eacalation (against Russia, China, Iran, etc), and USA’s imperialist pigs won’t learn any lesson.
So, Russia has to decide: eacalate and teach USA a lesson that the pigs won’t forget, or keep being a punching bag, while reaping a benefit called: ex-Ukrainian territory.
So far, Russia has chosen the second option. Russia didn’t even collaborate with any of the proxies in other regions of the world. So, I don’t think this will change just because of 10 airplanes.
If Russia had the slightest intention to escalate, it could promote the development of nuclear weapons in Iran, place weapons of mass destruction in Cuba, send some Middle Eastern proxy some means to make USA run away after massive casualties, fill Servia with weapons to destroy NATO pigs that are invading Serbia’s region called Kosovo, etc.
Russia hasn’t done any of that. Neither China. And even Iran has been having super self-control. What these guys are showing is that in the new Multipolar world that they are building, their leadership can be trusted. They want partners to collaborate in win-win logic, not vassals to be sacrificed as USA+UK+France+etc do.
And that is the greatest answer of them all. Because it doesn’t mean a stupid escalation just because of 10 airplanes and 2 bridges. It doesn’t mean M.A.D.ness. It means total victory for the non-Western world in the long run.
As for the short term, if the West wants to sacrifice its post-Maidan coup vassal, and if those nazis want to sacrifice themselves, then Russia will seize the opportunity to keep having almost the entire Russia population in support of Putin and the SMO, and keep liberation more and more of Ukraine.
Russia (+ its Soviet comrades) had to sacrifice 27 million people in order to defeat the nazi-fascism of western Europe.
It would be poetic if, after the SMO is finished, Russia had obtained 27 million ex-Ukrainians (that will hate the West as much as the West hates Russians), plus the territory where in can put its own weapons of mass destruction right in the middle of NATO’s eastern flank (aka in western Ukraine, perhaps with the exception of ex-Poland, aka Galicia, aka the core of the NAZIstan).
Every day that passes with Russia showing restraint, is a day closer to strategic victory. Every day that passes with the Ukrainian TCC kidnapping men and with the women revolting against that, is a day closer to the fulfilling of all the goals of the SMO.
Russia doesn’t want to strike a deal with the post-Maidan lunatics in Kiyv. Russia wants the Ukrainians to be the ones returning Kiev to its rightful place.
Russia doesn’t want to kill the clown-dictator Zelensky. Russia wants to watch him run away and be hated like Saakashvily in Georgia.
And Russia doesn’t want the West to have any more trump cards to play in the creation of consent for war. Russia wants the western people to get increasingly tired of the militarisation, and angry aginst those that waste money buying weapons to strike a country (Russia) that did them absolutely no harm.
And remember that each peace deal presented by Russia and refused by Ukraine, will always be followed by a deal with worse conditions, and I’m not just talking about territory!
This applies not only to Ukraine, but also to the collective West.
Example: not only demanding the full stop of NATO’e Imperial expansion, but start also demanding NATO to shrink, for example by making Finland and the Baltics and perhaps even Romania neutral again.
Or demanding Ukraine and Georgia to get inside the CSTO instead of just asking for neutrality.
And why not also demanding the recognition of Kosovo as Serbia, of Transnistria as independent, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia as Russian.
I’ll have my popcorn bucket ready when that time comes.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Jun 10 2025 8:18 utc | 420

Whoops sorry @ Posted by: egreigious | Jun 10 2025 7:52 utc | 419
See you posted it already.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 10 2025 8:20 utc | 421

“Scuse the language after a few elixirs, but fuck I had to laugh at that one Thatguy.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 7:01 utc | 406
That is what my main goal usually is (I think). Bringing some levity via an act of combative contrarianism. And making you laugh, in particular, is a big win for me tonight. Buenos noches, amigo.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 8:23 utc | 422

The motive behind the attacks was to hit a target so sensitive that it would finally provoke Putin to react in so harsh a manner that would lead to an escalation of the conflict.
The West is technically bankrupt. Debt is unpayable. Simply refinanced, the proverbial kicking the can down the road. Need a major war to blame the inevitable collapse on the Russians. Otherwise when the economies collapse the anger of the populace will be directed towards the elite.
Putin knows this. Medvedev mentioned the economic situation would deteriorate to the point were he predicted an overthrow of the current governments. Whatever the response of the Russians it will not be the type that gives Western elites a free ticket out of jail.
Russians don’t do shock and awe.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2025 8:24 utc | 423

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 7:29 utc | 413
RE: destroy real estate in Kiev occupied by U.S./UK
<< Foreign Minister Lavrov: "There are a huge number of American advisers sitting in the SBU building. No one has removed them. The fact that instructors from other countries are working there too, who supply the Ukrainian regime with weapons, is also a fact." Lavrov is describing a Russia House IRL. No doubt Odessa, Lwow, Dneprpetrovsk, Krivoy Rog have their own unique *Houses*, nodes if you will. Together, they constitute a brain-trust of interconnected intel centers, like neural pathways, coordinating information for military and terroristic ops against Russia. It's a diabolically entrenched system. The U.S. and UK probably set these real estate vectors up *before* Euromaidan. In the time since, they've linked together a well-grooved network. They afford a glimpse into The Occupation of Ukraine by the U.S. and the UK. Weirdly, it’s as if the military hot war action on the battlefield is the *least* of the conflict, compared to this viral takeover of the country’s inner workings. In fact, it is as if the country’s own system was excised long ago and replaced by a U.S./UK mock-up, like a human body whose entire arrangement of organs was changed out for an artificially imposed system, merely to maintain the illusion of the shell—-the body—-functioning, as if alive. When VVP described Ukraine as *constructed*, he was speaking of Lenin’s cobbling together various geographical regions, but he may as well have been speaking of the way the U.S. and UK *pirated* Ukraine and created a simulacrum of a sovereign state.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 8:29 utc | 424

..agreement with Russia to build eight nuclear power plants.
Damn … are the Shahed drones that expensive? Drone Saturation: Russia’s Shahed Campaign | CSIS |
Shahed Saegheh is one of two Iranian flying wing UAVs based on the RQ-170, along with the Shahed 171 Simorgh, a larger version.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 10 2025 8:31 utc | 425

Banderistan is sleep deprived night after night and more and more in doomer mood since last week.
RF “body restitution” and it’s follow-throught (they now claim to have a huge stockpile of frozen bodies) was hurting for 404.
Everyone there now see Kiev’s regime is bankrupt. And it feels (poor TCC guy).
RF seems to have answered with psychological warfare … like big time.

Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 10 2025 8:31 utc | 426

£30 billion? I’m willing to learn Russian for half that amount.
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 10 2025 6:42 utc | 397

Me too. Plus: If we oldies started to learn Russian it would keep us free from dementia for years. Win-win.

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 8:37 utc | 427

“Plus: If we oldies started to learn Russian it would keep us free from dementia for years. Win-win.”
Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 8:37 utc | 430
They should throw in learning Mandarin Chinese as well in the deal – then they could shut down aged care homes.

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 8:40 utc | 428

They should throw in learning Mandarin Chinese as well in the deal – then they could shut down aged care homes.
Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 8:40 utc | 431

Yes! That’s how to save the world when all the money is gone

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 8:49 utc | 429

Unconfirmed report of Ukrainian aircraft shot down over Zaporozhye. R-37 air-to-air missile was spotted flying at the same time as the aircraft was in the area.
https://x.com/AMK_Mapping_/status/1932359032213499963

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 10 2025 9:01 utc | 430

Why won’t the Americans walk away from Korea?
Why won’t the Americans walk away from Africa?
Why won’t the Americans walk away from Palestine?
Why won’t the Americans walk away from NATO?
Why won’t the Americans walk away from Asia?
Why won’t the Americans walk away from Syria?
It’s Empire, pal. Empires don’t have a reverse gear. The closest they get is collapse.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 0:35 utc | 299

Vietnam? Ethiopia? Angola? Afghanistan? Lebanon? Yemen? Many places across South America. The USA are slowly but surely getting kicked out of Africa, right along with the French.
There’s a long trail of burning wrecks left behind by the USA … supporting this week’s proxy of convenience only to ditch them when it got a little too hot.
Their strategy has been very much a matter of always put the other guy at risk and never themselves. So far retribution has been minimal … which I guess proves it can work. Doesn’t mean every encounter is a success but at least they live long enough to try it on next time.

Posted by: Tel | Jun 10 2025 9:12 utc | 431

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 10 2025 1:36 utc | 328
What would have been even more asymmetrical would have been to bury the 6000 with full dignity at the edge of the buffer region in a special graveyard.
The bereaved Ukrainian families would be granted special rights to visit the tombstones through an agreed checkpoint.
Agree completely, an excellent idea. I can only speculate on how western MSM would try spinning it.
Hat tip to you Arch.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 9:26 utc | 432

Bild are reporting that an F-16 shot down a SU35 near Korenevo, aided by Ukraine’s new Saab 340 AWACS.
Any truth in this report, or is it in line with the “Russia is losing !” videos that youtube serves up in its sidebar?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 10 2025 9:31 utc | 433

Russia provided cyber hacks?
Posted by: jopalolive | Jun 10 2025 7:37 utc | 416
This wouldn’t be allowed by the Chabad fifth column in the Russian intelligence apparatus.
(and if it slipped by them we’re about to hear a loud wailing and gnashing of teeth against the Russians in Tel Aviv!)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 10 2025 9:35 utc | 434

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 3:23 utc | 362
Posted by: Original Child | Jun 10 2025 2:46 utc | 353
Sometimes you people are unwilling to engage in any debate, and are just satisfied with yourselves to simply label someone as “Jake”. No, really I’m not Jake. Jake is a banned Aussie.
Yeah, too right cobber.
Jake was indeed a phony Oztralian (previously Dolphin) but has lately been resurrected as That guy.
Thee seems to be an epidemic of resurrections at MoA of late, and Saint Peter is just the most spectacular and diverting (from the thread) example,

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 9:59 utc | 435

The word ‘escalation’ appears 59 times including B’s post and 437 comments.
Some commenters have explicitly expressed their view that the attack on the Russian strategic bombers fleet was intended to produce an escalation.
I think that’s wrong.
The attack was carried out despite the forthcoming escalation.
The reason for the attack is quite simple.
The deal between ukrop elites and their Western financiers is that ukrop elites use Ukraine material resources and population to hurt Russia somehow, as much as possible for as long as possible, in exchange for continued transfers of Western treasure to Ukrainian bank accounts.
So this attack is ukrop elites doing their part of the deal.
That’s all.
They are not seeking an escalation, they are not provoking Russia to nuke them or to destroy Kiev or Lvov, of course not.
And obviously Russia will not bomb any place outside the theater, that much is pretty evident from so many precedents.
Ukrop elites just do what they can to please the people that are paying them for as long as they can.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 10 2025 10:00 utc | 436

Might be time for the Russians to remember that little wreck, just below sealevel, at the entrance of the Thames estuary, SS Richard Montgommery. It has thousands of tons of unexploded WWII ordinance on board, which is increasinbly instable as the years go by, and could go up any time, with or without Russian help. There’s good plausible deniability there too.

Posted by: Shahmaran | Jun 10 2025 10:08 utc | 437

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 9:59 utc | 438
Not that it will make any difference to you, but I will just say for the record that I have never been “Jake”.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 10:10 utc | 438

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 10 2025 10:00 utc | 439
I think you’re right. It may be seen as corraborated by Zelenskyi’s constant nagging that the West must “force Russia to give in” or “force Russia to peace” etc.

Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 10 2025 10:11 utc | 439

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 7:01 utc | 407
“Psychology 101
Defence mechanisms:
Projection: Attributing one’s own unacceptable feelings or impulses to someone else. (For example, a person who is angry at their friend may accuse the friend of being angry at them.”
Thatguy has resorted to psycho-philosophy. Just reinforces my notion that he/she/it or them is a reconstruction of Jake Blanchard.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 10:12 utc | 440

Their strategy has been very much a matter of always put the other guy at risk and never themselves. So far retribution has been minimal … which I guess proves it can work. Doesn’t mean every encounter is a success but at least they live long enough to try it on next time.
Posted by: Tel | Jun 10 2025 9:12 utc | 434
Not to mention always coming down to Australia and telling us what to do for decades and how we should be buying more weapons off the MIC, how bad China is, and manipulating with the CIA, then up to Indonesia to stick their noses into their business, and then to the Solomon Islands to cause problems, and then to New Zealand to destabilise the government, and then to the rest of the South Pacific to tell them what to do, and how bad the evil Chinese are etc etc.

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 10:12 utc | 441

Just reinforces my notion that he/she/it or them is a reconstruction of Jake Blanchard.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 10:12 utc | 443
A delusional notion. Wild, baseless speculation. At least I’ll never be confused with one of the Duke Nukems (“shadowbanned”).

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 10:18 utc | 442

https://www.flightradar24.com/HKY824/3abae6d2
USAF C130J leaves Constanza in Romania, Previously at Palanga (Lithuania) and before that Ramstein.
https://www.flightradar24.com/3abac4e7
Giant A124 transport left Rzsezow heading west
https://www.flightradar24.com/MMF36/3abad7bb
NATO Airbus A330-243MRTT left Rzsezow for Cologne.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 10 2025 10:22 utc | 443

if the response is diplomatic it could be a restriction on uranim exports, it’s quite related to nuclear military assets and it’s asymmetrical

Posted by: giandavide | Jun 10 2025 10:23 utc | 444

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 10:12 utc | 443
I went back through all his posts and came to the conclusion he was a troll himself. All he did was criticise everyone with a few lines and not add anything to the debate himself. He could have even been William just trying to be a time waster as usual. Then he used a typical unconscious defensive psychological strategy of the ego to make himself look like he was the poor victim of terrible me. So that is why I wrote the post about the specific type of defence called ‘projection’. I have found that learning about the defensive psychological strategies of the human ego very useful when writing on blogs to understand see how the same techniques are often used, instead of actually forming a valid argument.

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 10:24 utc | 445

https://www.flightradar24.com/NATO23/3aba7956
E3 ISR plane over northern Poland.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 10 2025 10:25 utc | 446

“A delusional notion. Wild, baseless speculation. At least I’ll never be confused with one of the Duke Nukems (“shadowbanned”).”
Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 10:18 utc | 445
That is just another defensive strategy called rationalisation. And you still haven’t added anything useful or creative to any debate.

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 10:28 utc | 447

Karlof1 @35. Russian suspense of New Start Treaty was announced more than two years ago, with no practical consequences so far. For example, in Washington Post in this story in 2023:
What is New START and why is Russia ‘suspending’ its role in the treaty?
February 21, 2023

Posted by: mjh | Jun 10 2025 10:36 utc | 448

Another “Mass attack” in Kyiv

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 10:36 utc | 449

The ultimate revenge would be to announce that Zelensky is actually a russian asset. He provided for the much needed excuse to start the war, he has been feeding information on western weapons’ systems so that russians could develop the adequate countermeasures and he’s waiting for putin to reach Odessa in order to surrender.

Posted by: Manan | Jun 10 2025 10:41 utc | 450

🇺🇦 West Withholds Sanctions on Russia Until Ukraine Sends Teenagers to the Front
Zelensky said in a recent interview with Hungarian outlet Valaszo Online that Western countries have linked new sanctions on Russia to Ukraine’s reluctance to mobilize 18-year-olds.
Our Western partners haven’t imposed additional sanctions because we haven’t begun conscripting citizens aged 18 and above,” Zelensky said. “I don’t believe we should mobilize 18-year-olds, even though leaders of other countries expected us to.”
He claimed Ukraine is capable of mobilizing 27,000 men per month, while Russia can mobilize 40,000–50,000, supposedly due to “greater losses.”
Zelensky shifted responsibility for Ukraine’s deepening crisis to the West, suggesting that “the world should stop Putin.” He complained that the U.S. could implement stronger sanctions and that Europe should “figure out how to influence China.”
He ended with a theatrical warning: “We are fighting in a situation that could look like the beginning of World War III.”

“send your sons to the front, and we will impose more sanctions!” dude, seriously, i know we joke about beeing blind by drug abuse, but zelenskijsjyiijyji takes the cake for beeing the most blind idiot of them all.
THE WEST WANTS TO GENOCIDE YOUR WHOLE COUNTRY! ITS ONE OF THEIR VALUES!
and this tv-clown is going to oblige anyways. just so that he can stroke starmers cock the next time the cocain-train arrives in kiew.
“servant to the people”. just not his own.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 10 2025 10:44 utc | 451

Excerpt from WAPO article 2/20/23 on Russian suspension of adherence to New Start Treaty which expires in 2026: Russian President Vladimir Putin announced in a state of the nation address Tuesday that Moscow is “suspending” its participation in the New START nuclear nonproliferation agreement, the last remaining arms control treaty between the United States and Russia:
‘’
Putin said that Russia will not “withdraw” completely from the treaty, which has been extended to run through Feb. 4, 2026, but that Russia would not allow NATO countries to inspect its nuclear arsenal. He accused the alliance of helping Ukraine conduct drone strikes on Russian air bases that host strategic bombers that are part of the country’s nuclear forces.
The 2011 treaty placed “verifiable limits” on the number of intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads deployed by the countries.”

Posted by: mjh | Jun 10 2025 10:45 utc | 452

🇺🇦💀🇸🇰🇧🇷🏳️ Foreign Leaders Added to Ukrainian Kill List
Kiev Labels Foreign Leaders as “Enemies” on Extremist Website
Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico, Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and Republika Srpska leader Milorad Dodik have all been added to the infamous Ukrainian extremist database “Myrotvorets.”

statesponsors of terrorism (eu/uk)-backed kiev nazi regime putting government officials of other countries on “their” kill-list (site is run in america if i recall correctly?), after they also put alexander ovechkin on the list for “national security” (probably afraid he is going to score more goals then any kievan banderite).
and as someone mentioned on telegram, its also just a coincidence that the same people end up on this list that are also beeing threatened by ursula and kaja, the two unelected nazi bitches.
western values.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 10 2025 10:49 utc | 453

🇺🇦💀🇸🇰🇧🇷🏳️ Foreign Leaders Added to Ukrainian Kill List
Kiev Labels Foreign Leaders as “Enemies” on Extremist Website
Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico, Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and Republika Srpska leader Milorad Dodik have all been added to the infamous Ukrainian extremist database “Myrotvorets.”

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/150657

🇪🇺🇺🇦 Isn’t it odd that the same people being threatened by Eurorats like Ursula von der Leyen and Kaja Kallas also appear on the Ukrainian kill list? 🤔

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/150660

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2025 10:51 utc | 454

Back on topic: asymmetric possibilities.
– destabilize power grids. As Iberia has thoughtfully demonstrated recently, it takes little to unsettle grids with low inertia. A little tweak here and there to inverter-based-resources, which do seem to have a habit of causing grid frequency oscillations all by themselves, and voila, a generation trip as tolerances are exceeded.
– traffic jams. An elderly Brabant or ten, or better, HGV’s expiring on crucial feeders or exits, and whole cities can be gridlocked.
– public transport ticketing systems compromised. Instant chaos for cities that rely on these for commutes and continuity of commerce.
Few of these systems are truly hardened, having grown in relatively benign strategic environments. As such, easy pickings for the determined assymetrist…..

Posted by: Waymad | Jun 10 2025 10:53 utc | 455

Asymmetric response by RF
Mush blather about whether MI6 or CIA were the prime info/ drone guidance providers for the attack on RF bombers. I think the CIA may have been complicit, but the British (MI6) were the overall planners. An adequate response is indeed required.
The Orishnick system appears to be a very potent weapon which has many possible opportunities for asymmetric deployment (that is not initiating a full on nuclear WW III).
IF VVP could convince DJT that the UK deserves a stern lesson in manners, and that the US (and NATO) would not over react, then I think the obliteration of some prime British targets is very possible. Targets such as submarine bases and construction facilities, surface naval bases, and even MI6 HQ.
These strikes could be proceeded by warnings to civilians, but did MI6 warn the concert patrons at the Crokus site before their phony ISIS K attack?
At any rate I don’t think the UK has a snowball’s chance in a blast furnace of stopping an Orishnick attack-per warned or not.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 11:09 utc | 456

I already offered my prediction on 7th June here Posted by: BM | Jun 7 2025 13:20 utc | 31
I am more convinced than ever that the UK will get a very thorough thrashing, most likely with an Oreshnik on the nuclear submarine base on the Clyde. For the Americans the response will be focussed mainly on neutralising satellites.
But the ultimate ‘sting in the tail’ will be this: after completion of the strikes Putin will announce that the Russian Federation had carried out “Anti-Terrorist Strikes” against the UK and the US!
This is just my humble opinion about what the Russians will do, I shall no doubt be wrong to some degree or other. We shall see in due course.

Posted by: BM | Jun 10 2025 11:14 utc | 457

Another lie or just theater?
Posted by: Peeks | Jun 10 2025 10:43 utc | 454
This link is from RT News but it does quote the Israeli ambassador to Ukraine as the source of the story of Israel passing on the patriots.
You may have seen it but I thought I’d post the story here in case you haven’t. https://www.rt.com/russia/618877-israel-patriot-missiles-ukraine/

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 11:16 utc | 458

The Russian Embassy in London could offer cookies to passers by at Trafalgar Square?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2025 11:24 utc | 459

A non-scalable attack should avoid (for now) the destruction of US troops. It makes no sense (although desirable and effective) to attack the strongest of the group. Better to start from the edges: start with the British.
A non-scalable attack should be as useless as possible, but loaded with symbolism.
Kill the king.

Posted by: Idéfix | Jun 10 2025 11:27 utc | 460

Think more asymmetrically. Take out military satellites using emp delivered by a maneuverable unmanned spacecraft. Destroy all refineries in the US and UK using small suicide drones.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Jun 10 2025 11:28 utc | 461

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 10 2025 8:14 utc | 422
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Lol, excellent deal between Russia and Iran, just when DJT asks (threatens) Iran to give up not only its military nuclear program but even its civil nuclear program…

Posted by: scc | Jun 10 2025 11:29 utc | 462

https://www.flightradar24.com/SPCAA/3abab427
Anonymous aircraft of unknown type doing ISR type runs over the Suwalki Gap between Belarus and Kaliningrad. Just gone dark before I could check its height and speed.
I don’t know how anyone can tell who planned what, although the boat drone attacks seem like our Brit style. But I would still put money on the drones and other sabotage stuff coming into Russia via the ‘stans or from the south.
a) a lot of trade – the usual suspects are always moaning about how sanctioned stuff gets to Russia via the stans.
b) huge borders and relatively porous, probably plenty of border staff who’ll look the other way for cash.
c) several visits to the stans (that I know of, so probably many more) by NATO military transport planes and US Special Forces planes. Perhaps Georgia as well, I imagine you could find Georgian nationalist types to help.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 10 2025 11:31 utc | 463

Jeez WTF was I thinking. Oreshink Trump’s unprecedented military birthday boy parade.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 10 2025 11:39 utc | 464

From the article:-
“The attack on the railway bridges were an operation that is typical for British services. It has been reported and is well known that British services have advised and helped the Ukrainians to launch sea drones against Russia in the Black Sea, to cross the Dnieper river in Krinki and in other operations of higher propaganda value.”
That assessment confirmed by Alastair Crooke, who has worked from within those British services:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9vJC5wY7rM&ab_channel=JudgeNapolitano-JudgingFreedom
I must confess that when I first heard of these attacks, particularly the drone attacks on Russian airbases containing nuclear bombers, my first thought was “O Lord! Not another of Radakin’s stunts, please.” Because we have been behind most of the PR attacks we’ve seen over the course of the war so likely helped with or even planned this one.
And in fact it would be unusual, in the case of the airbase drone attacks, if the US/UK, who have been micromanaging this war throughout, had not known of an operation that would have taken much planning and assistance. And postulating rogue elements in the US/UK working behind their masters’ backs is unrealistic. Since the very start of the war there have been too many such actions engaged in for their masters not to know.
It looks as if, from what Escobar says, that the Russians believe that too:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMYcDaI4ROQ&ab_channel=DialogueWorks
The possibility of Trump being given “plausible deniability” is touched on by both Crooke and Escobar. Well, if so he’s not got it any more, that’s for certain.
………………….
I let the Escobar run on. Glad I did. Some penetrating observations from him.
At 20 minutes, more on the crucial run up to the SMO. Preventative or pre-emptive? Mearsheimer or Baud? Or just Putin waking up grumpy one morning and deciding to restore ancient empire.
I’ve always gone for “pre-emptive”. We forced the Russians to move because if they hadn’t the Kiev forces would have got into the Donbass. And once they’d moved we could impose the “Sanctions from Hell”, that sanctions war our hope of wearing down the Russians fast.
I remember passionate arguments on that in late February 2022. Before it became apparent that argument was fruitless – restoration of ancient empire was the story most in England and Germany went with and still do.
And in connection with that, something Escobar’s said before. At around 54 minutes. He appears to be based in Paris. None in his circle of friends and acquaintances there, says Escobar, are on his wavelength.
From personal observation I think this is general. Take a hundred people at random in England or Germany and how many are familiar with the ins and outs of the Ukrainian war? I’d say you’d be lucky to find one.
It’s not like Gaza. There, the thing is so blatant that, again from personal observation, almost all are aware we’re doing or going along with something badly wrong . But in the case of the Ukrainian war we have from way back been presented with an imaginary war in an imaginary country against an imaginary foe. That is the false reality we most of us live in. So for most such men as Escobar, such as our host here, “b”, and all the others in the small circle of dissidents who know we’ve gone wrong in Ukraine, are wild men talking foolery. Seditious foolery at that.
I don’t think it’s quite like that in the States. But here in Europe that is how it is. There are simply too few who know that the reality our politicians and press present to us is false. Therefore the politicians have a free hand to continue taking us down the path they have chosen for us: preparing for our “forever war with Russia”, as Escobar terms it. Cold War II is, given most of us still believe the politicians’ story, that path they’re taking us down. Go long Rheinmetall.

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 10 2025 12:07 utc | 465

As Psychohistorian and Michael Hudson & friends always remind us, this is a civilizational war between private finance and public finance. Private finance is losing. Mirror violence on behalf of humanity to its death thralls is a dead end.
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As for the subthread topic, this Peter Au1 seems more sober. If you’re still kicking Peter, all the best. Sorry about all your suffering. Life is mighty, sometimes mighty hard and painful, but flecked with wonder and joy.
Posted by: suzan | Jun 10 2025 4:26 utc | 375
Yes, some 400 years ago public finance started losing to private finance . God and king be damned.
We are currently in the reversal stage. So either private finance fights or tries to become god and king.
As for Pete , let’s keep it on “truly HE has risen” and spread his gospel, strike the troll with you heel and raise a glass to HIS name (is the part for Paul still free? Can he show up and blind me on the way to the loo?)
To get back on track on asymmetric plays, why not I’ll assume those things are mapped , take out a couple of stock exchanges AND the disaster recovery ones, midway through a trading day. London and or NY? Just accidents , no kinetics please.

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 10 2025 12:10 utc | 466

@ Carlos Marques | Jun 10 2025 8:18 utc | 423
That was masterful. You really need to post more often!

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 10 2025 12:12 utc | 467

As long as we are working symbolic responses for Russia how about an Oreshnik for each end of the Channel Tunnel, that would be a spanner in the works!

Posted by: qparker | Jun 10 2025 12:13 utc | 468

The Russians have recognized Macron as the actual Antichrist. Just type into your search engine: macron Antichrist Russia State Duma. And there it is. 2017. The Lion (UK), the Fowl (France), the Leopard (Germany) and the Bear (Russia) are fighting and you will find that is a development signaling the prophesied End Times.
Russia is fighting what it conceives to be a Holy War, a holy war prophesied. That war is the Gog Magog ie the Gog vs Mother of Gog war. Kiev is the mother of Russia and this is that war.
I find it troubling that analysts can’t seem to acknowledge the eschatological factors playing out before all our eyes. The President of Russia can speak about the End Times and actual Armageddon but no analyst seems to be able to hear him. How many times has Putin declared Russia as Katechon is literally holding back the Antichrist? What is wrong with you? Can’t you hear the words of the most powerful and educated man on this earth? Are you stupid or just unread?
Godless is it? Whatever stops you from hearing Putin must be cleaned from your ears

Posted by: Mersin Schwartz | Jun 10 2025 12:15 utc | 469

If NATO really, really r e a l l y!! wants a war, there is no way around it, except to make sure they perfectly understand they will lose that war.
In that case hit them so god damned hard they get the message in one instant.
USA did it to Japan.
No ifs and buts after that.
But it will mean Berlin, Paris and London gone. Plus all the major military installations in all of Europe.
And the assurance of China, that they will cover Russia’s back. And that USA will stay put.
It most certainly could be done.
I don’t think we are there yet, but the signs are there.

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 10 2025 12:23 utc | 470

Oh, Give Denmark a shell-lacking too. They are pretty arrogant and governed by a witch.
Good to get her packing!

Posted by: g wiltek | Jun 10 2025 12:26 utc | 471

IF VVP could convince DJT that the UK deserves a stern lesson in manners, and that the US (and NATO) would not over react, then I think the obliteration of some prime British targets is very possible.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 11:09 utc | 460
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I appreciate your setting your initial “if” in all caps because your opening clause rests uneasily on three assumptions; first, that Trump really truly is running the show; second, that he’s good as his word; third, that he wouldn’t be convinced otherwise ten minutes later. Not exactly a trifecta I’d lay money on.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 10 2025 12:37 utc | 472

Putin should chill for now but keep up the pressure and especially prepare to cut Odessa off. The UK will end up broke and decayed, enforcing Sharia, erasing their own culture and freedoms and one day, opposing Israel openly. Those brown people will have votes and will make the babies. Patience, patience. Why trigger WWIII when cultural suicide will do the job for you?
I don’t think this confrontation in California is being fully appreciated. Trump either goes all the way and Newsom backs down – or Federal authority moves towards being largely fictional. If Neo Cons don’t see this, they are far greater fools than any of us think. A de facto decentralized US government is unlikely to pursue warmongering. Forget Iran, Venezuela, China, North Korea, the Houthis and the list goes on. At some point, I think their only answer is prolonged martial law in the US but I think they are armchair warriors with impotence issues (in more ways than one)
My only question here is, who the heck in NATO has such a death wish as to go to Ukraine and secretly fight? Officers in particular are better off waiting for a pension, like top heavy generals in the US. Have the CIA fund some Columbian dead end types and leave it at that.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 10 2025 12:41 utc | 473

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only time Russia has damaged a U.S. asset is when it had its fighter plans take down a drone by dumping fuel on them (or something of that sort). It is interesting that Russia was willing to harm a U.S. asset much earlier in the conflict, but has not repeated this activity since.
I don’t think Russia will directly or indirectly attack either the U.S. or U.K. personnel or military assets. They have not done so to this point (with the exception of the drone mentioned above) and I don’t see them doing it now. Russia does not want to pour flames on the warmongering tendencies of the EU/US political elites: if they were to attack the UK or the US, our media would quickly gin up an appetite for war against Russia among the population, and Russia does not want this. So I expect some symbolic strikes on a few Ukrainian targets and nothing more.

Posted by: WJ | Jun 10 2025 12:41 utc | 474

If one goes with totally covert action, sabotage, assassination, jamming signals, etc., no pretext is formed in public media to justify escalation. The mistake is to claim credit and publicly celebrate results.
Sadly, threats against family is a popular tool of extortion. Symbolic murders gain attention but risk blowback.
The role of Trump to create the semi-competent loose cannon is pretty feeble now that the world is numb to his thrashing.
I am sure nothing we discuss here at the bar is not thoroughly thought through by all parties. It’s the self-deception of believing that you have anticipated more moves than your opponent that is the exploitable blind spot, right? Then, the fatal mistake is to make a move.
Vladimir Vladimorich likely has the principle of Judo of using the opponent’s momentum against him.
While the west is nipping at the mule’s fetlocks, consider the ability of the mule to deliver a kick at 4000 ft/lbs in < 20 milliseconds. While the west toasts the dirty acts of vandalism, Russia patiently prepares. Everywhere.

Posted by: Stumpy | Jun 10 2025 12:42 utc | 475

Assuming that “Russia House” is the faction in the CIA helping the Ukes with these attacks, who controls “Russia House”?
Maybe descendants of Ukrainian and Russian Jews who hate Russia (such as Nuland and Blinken and the Vinman bros)?
I have thought from the get-go that foreign policy would wreck Trump’s presidency and lame his domestic agenda.
Pretty soon he is going to have to choose between America First or Zionists First.
Russia can help him make the right decision by including Palestine in the universe of retribution for the Ukies-Russia House’s stunts.
At the same time I also really like the idea of punishing the Brits bigly. I like any action that reveals that Russia knows who is behind the stunts. Of course the Brits are also huge dual perps in both Ukraine and Palestine, as that fool Badenoch explained so clearly, in addition to their meddling in Ukraine. So the Diego Garcia option might also send a dual message to the Dual Deep States of USUK.
Posted by: Jane | Jun 9 2025 18:38 utc | 93

Timing is key, good call.

Posted by: Stumpy | Jun 10 2025 12:50 utc | 476

HMS Prince of Wales, the pride of the Royal Navy has passed through the Suez Canal and Red Sea and is now out in the Indian Ocean which seems to be outside the territorial limits for Article 5. It would be a real tragedy if someone took it upon themselves to persuade the Royal Navy that it needed to spend time in a dry dock somewhere. Just saying.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 10 2025 12:53 utc | 477

Posted by: BM | Jun 10 2025 11:14 utc | 461
“This is just my humble opinion about what the Russians will do, I shall no doubt be wrong to some degree or other. We shall see in due course.”
I hope your humble opinion comes to fruition.
Seems a very appropriate response. Well thought out as well.
Hat tip to you BM

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 13:10 utc | 478

I don’t get why so much people here are obsessed with military retaliation to a PR stunt.
Russia won’t do terrorism, nuke, mass slaughter, extra-judicial assassinations or whatever violent.
They will continue playing “Good guy Russia” as long as it take and slowly, very slowly, very very slowly, even more slowly melt 404 out of existence. Playing the “Tough guy” is just what the morons commanding terrorism in Russia want them to do anyway.
Worst thing you can do to trolls is ignoring them and make them irrelevant.

Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 10 2025 13:10 utc | 479

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 10 2025 12:37 utc | 476
OK, I take your point(s). Maybe just leave DJT out of the loop.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 10 2025 13:14 utc | 480

Invite the families of the 6,000 fallen to Russia for a DNA evidence and body ID documentation hearing to document and issue a death certificate. Families to either 1) hire Russia to bury remains with honors or 2) remove according to family instruction.
I still like the idea of Russia purchasing from China several 100,000 tariff-free, made-in-China labeled, giant in size, high altitude, photon powered, data-gathering, AI guided Bear-shaped hot air Ballons draped in Russia flag decor.
Imagine the chaos and propaganda value when these Russian Bears are seen floating at random places in NATO airspace, over the next several months.

Posted by: snake | Jun 10 2025 13:23 utc | 481

lol, you really think there is not strategy behind these attacks.how stupid and lowbrainish. these acts are well calculated
even the response on it . ever heard about game theory?
Posted by: big brother | Jun 9 2025 16:06 utc | 11
The overall strategy is for the anglos using the CIA MI6 and their NATO compatriots to use Ukraine to damage the Russian state and perhaps cause regime change by causing a dumpster fire war in Ukraine.
The plan was to get Russia to invade Ukraine which would trigger the sanctions that would drive the Russian economy into collapse.
The sanctions failed … in fact they backfired and blew up in the EU’s face … and now it’s just terrorism and “media” victories like the attacks on Russian airfields.
The damage to the Russian bomber fleet was minimal because the number of bombers Russia was allowed to deploy was limited by the START treaty. All you did was take out ancient bombers … some which didn’t even have engines mounted on them … which Russia can now replace with modernized TU-22 airframes or better yet modifying TU-204’s into missile carriers
I have heard of game theory btw … how do you figure taking the first shot in a “who can hit softer” war in the realm of attacking a nuclear peers strategic assets is a winning strategy?
According to game theory you don’t hit a nuclear arsenal with a love tap … all that is piss off the other side and leave them with all the time in the world to respond.
Russia to date has left the bridges standing over the Dnieper because Ukrainian civilians are the ones who would die first from the collapse of logistics. This may now be the price Ukraine pays for the MI6/CIA attempt to “embarass” Putin

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 10 2025 13:24 utc | 482

What I would do is give them a 72-hour deadline to evacuate the Rammstein base, the one in Poland, the one in Romania, and some more in Ukraine. Let’s see how NATO reacts to that. Afterwards, I would simply bomb the base in Ukraine.

Posted by: Rati | Jun 10 2025 13:27 utc | 483

HB_Norica@486…..they left the bridges up to save civilians….is that some kind of joke….civvies have had ample time to leave….people there now, can’t or won’t leave, the bridges are moot, unless you need them to move freight from Russia to the EU…..which they do. Biggest blunder of the SMO.
As for targets, soft or not, the message was sent, it was a test….Game Theory is one thing, this is not even close, this is Escalation Theory…..see anyone backing down? Maybe we all get killed after all, no big lose for the planet…..it could use the break.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 10 2025 13:35 utc | 484

Let’s not forget that Medvedev’s goal has been to punish Europe and ignore the United States, so any response must be to ignore the United States and punish Europe, no matter what the United States does, especially with Trump in power.

Posted by: Rati | Jun 10 2025 13:37 utc | 485

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 10 2025 12:41 utc | 477
Why trigger WWIII when cultural suicide will do the job for you?

Exactly. Nearly all of Europe are going thru cultural suicide thanks to the tender care of liberals and their sidekicks. No need to risk a major conflagration now for an enemy that is weakening.

Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 10 2025 13:10 utc | 483
I don’t get why so much people here are obsessed with military retaliation to a PR stunt.

This is another smart comment. Although had the operation been as successful as ukrops and their sponsors expected, it’d have been more than just PR. So therein lies a danger.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 10 2025 13:41 utc | 486

Hitting unoccupied bricks n mortar a waste of effort.
Bombed out airfields quick n easy to repair.
VVP doesn’t do “sending a message”
Agree with the poster who liked the UK nuclear submarine depot.
Hezbollah needs anti aircraft ability.
AnsarUllah needs more modern hypersonics.
I’m assuming Iran already has that which it needs…

Posted by: necromancer | Jun 10 2025 13:43 utc | 487

Those people only care about there own life. Russia should eliminate high ranking figures, also the ones that visit Ukraine, and I would even go after everyone who turned against Russia and was part of the war. You can novichok Graham and other war criminals (including CEO’s actively helping Ukraine).
From the interview with Medinsky he said that the people want to see Orsehnik fly. So I think we will see at least one Oreshnik hitting some important things.

Posted by: Jeroen | Jun 10 2025 13:49 utc | 488

Please don’t hang the burden of vetting our undead poster on karlof1. Our resident chronicler of our “interesting times” has certainly never met our favorite Aussie in person and would have been significantly challenged to make any sort of post-mortem verification without knowledge of personal details that few of us share, or contact with family members. Anybody else here share their next of kin’s contact info? Didn’t think so.
For what it is worth, in my opinion the undead Aussie cannot be the same person unless he has experienced a substantial personality change. Of course, an episode of dancing with death can trigger such a change, so my opinion has its limitations.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 10 2025 13:51 utc | 489

Once Ukraine is fully and undeniably lost and even NAFO idiots can see it there will be an exodus from the Baltics. The old Nazis will head for US and Germany. What’s left will be dominated by the Russian speaking population. Baltics are expiring and RF doesn’t have to do anything.
Similarly Moldova, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia will all move much closer to RF when the war is successfully completed. Finland will STFU.
One more reason why US will play this ’til the end. It will end.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 10 2025 13:56 utc | 490

Putting the RF response in terms of a single-day event is short-term thinking. A real asymmetrical move would be to accept the terms offered by NATO: no boundaries, no limits. What I mean by that is darkly attack – cut fiber optic cables, sabotage shipping, damage pipelines/critical infrastructure. And not just underwater, but through internet/computer hacking attack power/water/other critical infrastructure.
There was a ship transporting parts for a Russian nuclear icebreaker that appears to be the victim of UK piracy near Gibraltar. Nordstream 2 an obvious citation. There was also an incident of a fiber cut a while back related to an island where lots of satellite uplink/downlink happens (svalbard?) that was blamed on Russians.
This plays into the thalassocratic vs telluracratic narrative.
I hope this finds you well

Posted by: ockham | Jun 10 2025 14:04 utc | 491

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 10 2025 13:41 utc | 490
RE: would have been more/might have been *more* than a PR stunt
<< Like the Kursk Incursion, the PR stunt w/ the aging bomber fleet had no *follow-up* behind it, by which I mean it was merely a one-off---a day-long flash--bang, a parlor trick with nothing ongoing behind it. The only *strategy* was the element of surprise, but with no intention to back that surprise w/ a wave of substantial advance, substantial follow-up, whatever that might have meant in this case. The surprise was the point. And when it fizzled out, it unwittingly left Russia w/ a stronger hand as far as prosecuting its own response to it (which we're still awaiting.) It also unwittingly (or perhaps wittingly) revealed peculiar gaps of continuity/gaps of awareness in U.S./UK implementing of the event. It has been said that the planning for the attack on the military bases took 18 months. It is weird to think of how that much planning, if the scale-up was actually in the works for 18 months, ended in an afternoon, with nothing coming in its wake. There wasn't any fall-back even---like if 'x' happens, then we'll do 'y.' Everything hinged on the one-off, the stunt, and when it ended there was nothing further. It's as if the planners did not expect *tomorrow* to happen.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 14:05 utc | 492

“Trump claims that the U.S. had not known of the attack on Russia’s strategic bombers. It is possible that Trump did not know about it. He may not have been informed to enable him to give a plausible denial. He may also simply lie about it. There is no doubt though in my mind that the U.S. was involved in it.”
Yes, the idea that Trump didn’t know about the Ukraine drone attack, particularly on Russia’s strategic nuclear assets, is totally disingenuous.
How is it that an American Commander-in-Chief wouldn’t know about an attack on such a highly sensitive target?
That is just as ludicrous as FBI supremo, Kash Patel, claiming that Jeffrey Epstein really did commit suicide and most of the Epstein file videos have magically been lost or destroyed.
Also, in terms of asymmetric Russian responses to this attack, isn’t Russia still supplying uranium for American nuclear energy production?
Cutting off this uranium could be one response.
Why is Russia supplying uranium to the same America that is waging war against it?
That is insane–or treasonous.

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 10 2025 14:15 utc | 493

Return all confiscated Russian funds or else…

Posted by: Zeus | Jun 10 2025 14:17 utc | 494

” THE WEST WANTS TO GENOCIDE YOUR WHOLE COUNTRY! ITS ONE OF THEIR VALUES!
“servant to the people”. just not his own.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 10 2025 10:44 utc | 455 ”
Not the West thats just misdirection. What other entity is currently committing genocide? Why is the West afraid to call out or stop said entity if the West is in charge ? Zelensky said he wants to turn Ukraine into a copy of Israel, the only way to truly do that is to fill it with ZioNazis. Guess who must be removed ,aka wiped out, first ?

Posted by: The painter | Jun 10 2025 14:23 utc | 495

If Taurus or Storm Shadow missiles and or drones attack the Red Square HQ of RF then the reaction would instanteous……..the Cyprus UK base would disappear in a Hazel strike and the UK power grid would come down…….
Are the Brits ready for that?

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 14:25 utc | 496

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jun 10 2025 13:24 utc | 486
RE: Project Ukraine has been a series of one-off parlor tricks w/ no thought toward follow-up
<< HB_Norica, you wrote: "The plan was to get Russia to invade Ukraine which would trigger the sanctions that would drive the Russian economy into collapse. The sanctions failed ... in fact they backfired and blew up in the EU's face ... and now it's just terrorism and "media" victories like the attacks on Russian airfields." Even as far back as Euromaidan, the intent was eventually for the U.S. proxy, fig-leaf Ukraine, to commandeer Crimea---but Russia deftly out-maneuvered the U.S., neutering their intent in effect, and leaving the U.S. with no options but to jump-start the process once more from a different angle. So the U.S. provoked Russia's invasion in order not only to gin up a hot war but also to apply the sanctions, which the U.S.-led West hoped would be the *real* weapon of war---but the sanctions failed. Once more, a Plan B did not really exist. It's like there was no cause & effect strategy. No one was thinking, Okay, look--if *that* doesn't work, we've got blah-blah in the back pocket. Not only was there nothing *in* the back pocket: there was no back pocket. Ever since then we've seen a calamity of poorly designed poor choices that lead to an increasingly tightening zugzwang of worsening choices. Even the bizarrely extended/bizarrely enacted Greatest Counteroffensive Ever fizzled just as Russian Forces were making serious headway in Avdiivka. After that, all the stunts have been stand-alone tablecloth tricks designed for PR. Given a cobbled together coalition of forces on the part of the U.S.-led West, it's not surprising to track such an addled, helter-skelter thought process. Bad choices do not beget good choices. The U.S.-led NATO coalition expected a blitz conflict which would end w/ regime-change in Moscow. With that target fixation firmly in mind, they had no plan for such a lengthy engagement and they had no way to succeed w/ such a lengthy engagement. NATO seems built for speed, the lightning fast set-piece style one-offs.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 14:25 utc | 497

ak74 | Jun 10 2025 14:15 utc | 497
*** How is it that an American Commander-in-Chief wouldn’t know about an attack on such a highly sensitive target? ***
May depend on who the real, rather than supposed, “Commander-in-Chief” is.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 10 2025 14:26 utc | 498

The problem is that many forms of retaliation will harm innocent people. Ideally Russia can find a way to bring the lesson straight to the filthy scumbags actually responsible. Mustard gas in CIA HQ for example.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 10 2025 14:26 utc | 499

> You are invited to brainstorm in the comments what kind of operation might [meet] those criteria.
The US and British navies are the lowest-hanging fruit because they are not on national territory. A missile strike on a single ship cannot be mistaken for a nuclear attack on the nation. Britain’s sole aircraft carrier is the flagship of NATO’s fleet. And since the British and Americans helped Ukraine to sink Russia’s flagship using satellite targeting data, it would be revenge served cold to sink Britain’s only aircraft carrier with an oreshnik.

Posted by: Bellerophon | Jun 10 2025 14:27 utc | 500