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June 9, 2025
Russia Seeks ‘Asymmetrical’ Response For Strike On Its Nuclear Assets

There is some confusion over Russia's response to the June 1/2 attacks on railway infrastructure and its strategic nuclear forces.

To recap:

On Saturday/Sunday Ukrainian diversion groups used explosives to destroy two Russian railroad bridges in the Kursk and Bryansk region. These bridges were located some 50 kilometer north of the Sumy region frontline. The hits will impact, if only for a short time, the railway bound supply of Russian forces north of Sumy.

One of the bridge explosions destroyed a civil passenger train. Some 10 people were killed and some 100 were wounded. This was likely intended and thereby a terror attack.

On Sunday morning a large scale operation by the Ukrainian secret service managed to attack multiple strategic airfields throughout Russia. Ukrainian sources claimed attacks on five airfields and the destruction of more than 40 strategic bombers.

Current damage assessment confirms attacks on two airfields and the destruction or damaging of up to 10 bombers.

It is very important to distinguish these attacks. While both coincided with negotiations between Ukraine in Russia in Istanbul, and were clearly timed to influence those, the purpose was larger.

The railroad attacks were planned to hinder rearward logistics of Russia's operation in Ukraine's Sumy region. That a civilian train was hit by these was likely seen by the Ukrainian forces as an additional feature but not as a main purpose. Still, it is the mass harm of civilians that make this otherwise permissible attack on a quasi-military target a terrorist act. The Russian side has emphasized this.

The attack on the strategic bombers of Russia's nuclear triad (land based nuclear missiles, submarine based nuclear missiles, air carriers for launching nuclear bombs and missiles) hit at a much higher level. It was a military attack on a strategic military target. Russia's publicly announced doctrine allows for the use of nuclear forces to retaliate for such an attack on its nuclear assets. This independent of the immediate source of the attack.

The attack on the railway bridges were an operation that is typical for British services. It has been reported and is well known that British services have advised and helped the Ukrainians to launch sea drones against Russia in the Black Sea, to cross the Dnieper river in Krinki and in other operations of higher propaganda value.

The Russian Foreign Minister has accused the U.K of direct involvement in the terrorist attack.

Several western experts of U.S. special services believe, as the Russian's do, that the operation against its nuclear forces have a different actor behind them – most likely the CIA. It is unlikely that Ukraine would have been able to identify and target those airfields without the intelligence acquired by U.S. sources. There is also no military benefit for Ukraine to attack Russian air bases far from its territory.

It has been reported that since 2014 the CIA had build some 20 stations in Ukraine from where it operates against Russia. Several high ranking Ukrainian intelligence actors, including the head of its military intelligence service General Budanov, have been trained by the CIA and are actively cooperating with it.

The CIA has a special unit dedicated to long term plans to harm Russia. As the Washington Post once described it:

The warren of cubicles was secured behind a metal door. The name on the hallway placard had changed often over the years, most recently designating the space as part of the Mission Center for Europe and Eurasia. But internally, the office was known by its unofficial title: “Russia House.”

The unit had for decades been the center of gravity at the CIA, an agency within the agency, locked in battle with the KGB for the duration of the Cold War. The department’s prestige had waned after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and it was forced at one point to surrender space to counterterrorism officers.

But Russia House later reclaimed that real estate and began rebuilding, vaulting back to relevance as Moscow reasserted itself. Here, among a maze of desks, dozens of reports officers fielded encrypted cables from abroad, and “targeters” meticulously scoured data on Russian officials, agencies, businesses and communications networks the CIA might exploit for intelligence.

'Russia House' was deeply involved in creating the hoax about Russian interference in U.S. elections. Former nuclear weapon inspector Scott Ritter as well as others have asserted that political control over 'Russia House' is less stringent than desirable.

Another data point for the CIA's involvement was a piece by David Ignatius, its spokesperson at the Washington Post which openly threatened further attacks on Russia's strategic nuclear assets:

Ukraine’s dirty war is just getting started (archived) – David Ignatius / Washington Post

Ukraine has considered a naval version of the sneak-attack tactic it used so effectively on Sunday. The sources said the [Ukrainian intelligence service] SBU weighed sending sea drones hidden in cargo containers to attack ships of Russia and its allies in the North Pacific. But, so far, they apparently have yet to launch these operations.

'Russia House' continues to be busy. Still, even 'Russia House' needs a legal bases to act which usually comes in the form of presidential findings.

The conclusion from this is that the CIA, with the knowledge of the White House, has planned and directed the Ukrainian attack on Russia's strategic air fields.

The different qualities of the two attacks on June 1/2 require different responses. One response, throughout the last days, has come by strong Russian missile and drone attacks against military and military-industrial targets throughout Ukraine.

The Washington Post erred when it headlined:

Ukrainian cities pounded by Russia in retaliation for Sunday drone strike (archived) – Washington Post

The assault appears to be retaliation for Ukraine’s extensive attack on Russia’s bomber fleet on Sunday, targeting air bases across Russia and damaging many nuclear-capable aircraft.

The Russian attacks, by each some 500 missiles and drones over several nights, have obviously been in the plans for some time. They are not very special. Russian sources have explicitly said that these attacks were in response to Ukraine' terrorist attack:

Russian military retaliated against Kiev’s ‘terrorism’ – MODRT

The barrage, which included air-, sea-, and land-based missiles as well as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), was a response to recent “terrorist acts” carried out by Kiev, Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Friday.

Ukraine blew up railway bridges in Russia last week, derailing civilian and freight trains and killing at least seven and injuring over 120.

What we have so far seen as Russia's response to the attacks was only related to the terror attack which harmed civilians.

The retaliation for the attack on Russia's strategic nuclear assets has yet to come.

The U.S. knows this:

US Believes Russia Response To Ukraine Attack Not Over Yet: OfficialsReuters

The United States believes that Russian President Vladimir Putin's threatened retaliation against Ukraine over its drone attack last weekend has not happened yet in earnest and is likely to be a significant, multi-pronged strike, US officials told Reuters.

The first official said Moscow's attack would be "asymmetrical," meaning that its approach and targeting would not mirror Ukraine's strike last weekend against Russian warplanes.

Russia launched an intense missile and drone barrage at the Ukrainian capital Kyiv on Friday and Russia's Defense Ministry said the strike on military and military-related targets was in response to what it called Ukrainian "terrorist acts" against Russia. But the US officials believe the complete Russian response is yet to come.

Putin told President Donald Trump in a telephone conversation on Wednesday that Moscow would have to respond to attack, Trump said in a social media post.

Trump later told reporters that "it's probably not going to be pretty."

Trump claims that the U.S. had not known of the attack on Russia's strategic bombers. It is possible that Trump did not know about it. He may not have been informed to enable him to give a plausible denial. He may also simply lie about it. There is no doubt though in my mind that the U.S. was involved in it.

There is speculation that Russia will respond by attacking government buildings, especially those of the special services, in Kiev.

I doubt that this is a sufficient response for the attack on strategic nuclear assets. The Ukrainians would take a beating by such a strike but the U.S., which is undoubtedly behind the attack, would be left unharmed.

There would be nothing to deter the U.S., or others, to further chip away at Russia's nuclear retaliation capability by, for example, attacking – as Ignatius already announces – the bases of Russia's nuclear submarine fleets.

No. Any response for the attack on Russia's nuclear forces must include a very strong warning to the U.S. to not further walk down that path.

I do not know if the U.S. military still has some B-52 bombers on Diego Garcia. Destroying those would be adequate. Other potential targets are U.S. submarines and their bases. An attack on U.S. personnel that was involved in planing the attack would also be appropriate.

But all such operation could potentially lead to escalation. Especially while a hawkish Senate and blob is pushing against Trump's attempt to reestablish good relation with Russia.

Russia will need something different:

Let’s be honest: repeating slogans like “our response will be success on the battlefield” won’t cut it here. Ukraine’s leadership isn’t acting out of military logic, but emotional desperation. Their calculation is political. So Russia’s response must be political, too – emotionally resonant, unmistakably firm, and, above all, creative.

This doesn’t mean rash escalation, but we can’t rely on the old playbook. Hitting the same military targets again and again achieves little. Striking Ukraine’s energy infrastructure? Done. Launching another missile as a ‘demonstration’? Predictable. Escalating to mass casualties? Unnecessary and, frankly, counterproductive.

So what’s left?

Innovation.

Russia must now think asymmetrically. That might mean a covert action so unexpected that it catches Ukraine completely off guard. Or it could involve striking symbolic targets that shift the psychological balance. The key is to remind Kiev – and its patrons – that nothing they do goes unanswered, and that the cost of provocation will always outweigh the benefit.

You are invited to brainstorm in the comments what kind of operation might those criteria.

One asymmetrical response I can think of would be an attack on British, not U.S. owned, strategic assets. Any hit on Britain would be well deserved anyway. A strike against British nuclear assets would be strong enough to be understood by the U.S. as a severe warning while it would be unlikely to lead to escalation. The Brits are unable to escalate on their own and the U.S. will be unwilling to go there.

The planning for any asymmetrical operation will take a while. It therefore do not expect the Russian response for the attack on its nuclear assets to occur with the next days.

Later this week there will be another meeting of Russia's security council. The revenge for the strike on Russia's  strategic assets will certainly be part of its agenda.

Comments

Tha you, b, for this acute analysis. It is an interesting challenge to imagine what sort of asymmetrical response Russia might mount against the US/NATO/Ukro assault on Russia’s strategic bombers.
I think it is fair to suppose that the US and UK are behind the assault, as you have argued. Also, I think the intent is to provoke an emotion-based response from Russia. And so, in my mind, the challenge for Russia is to devise an effective response (i.e., with substantial consequences) that does not in itself generate an escalation toward all-out war between Russia and its antagonists.
To me, that means the Russian response will not be a direct attack on any assets of the US, UK, or other NATO members. For me, that rules out any attack on military assets of the US, UK, or other NATO members. Otherwise Russia violates the convention that this is a Ukraine-Russia conflict, even though the rest of us understand that the reality is otherwise.
Consequently, Russia must design an asymmetric response against Ukraine, or else against some asset of the US/UK/NATO that is no military. Ideally, this should be a response that is painful but which makes any US/UK/NATO response against Russia even more painful (materially and politically) than the choice to not respond. So, what could Russia do in this context?
Considerally, also, the response should be sufficiently direct to appease the justifiable annoyance of ordinary Russians. And should also avoid escalation to a feedback spiral toward World War 3.
Here are a few random ideas, maybe some of them will stimulate discussion:
1) An assault on Ukraine’s strategic assets, whatever they may be.
2) An assault on US non-military assets, such as it economic standing.w
3) An assault on UK/EU non-military assets, such as by its natural gas and petroleum supply.
4) A strengthening of alliances with Iran, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, and other countries threatened by the US/NATO group.
I’m sure there are many other possibilities, but all of these avoid direct escalation of conflict between the US and Russia.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Jun 10 2025 0:45 utc | 301

America can’t back off or it loses the perception of power that undergirds its ability to threaten.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 0:35 utc | 298
Exact same thing.. Their foreign policy has been to use proxies.. All their proxies are watching how Ukraine plays out. Makes it impossible for them to walk away regardless what Trump says.
It’s America first baby……
Just listen to Hegesth whenever he has to deliver a major speech to America’s allies ( proxies) abroad.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 10 2025 0:46 utc | 302

@Skiffer | Mon, 09 Jun 2025 23:58:00 GMT | 272

Would a strike against British assets cause the general public to rein in their deluded elites, or would it produce a similarly deluded reaction, with calls for escalation?

Interesting line of thought. I would say that a nation-state is more impersonal than the first-person view, and that this only really breaks down in situations akin to a mass formation psychosis. So there is some room for questioning among the folks who see the news.

Posted by: persiflo | Jun 10 2025 0:49 utc | 303

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 10 2025 0:42 utc | 301
Here come the “it’s all the fault of Jews!” trolls. Soon we will see the “Putin is a Jew!” trolls.
Ever look at Simplicius’ comment sections? There are a couple of trolls there who pollute every single comment they make with something-something it’s all the Jews. With no other relevant comments, only “naming the Jew!” over and over and over again. If Simplicius was smart, he would ban them. They derail the threads. They are probably Hasbara doing it on purpose to make the comments look stupid.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 0:51 utc | 304

So the reports about your death were not greatly exaggerated…
@ persiflo | Jun 9 2025 23:19 utc | 251

It’s becoming something of a touching episode, this apparent return of big bad Peter (our erstwhile bouncer) to MoA, after we already staged his spectacular viking funeral in here. Like Tom & Huck showing up at their own funeral: how very annoying!
Several commenters are nonplussed that today’s Peter doesn’t exactly resemble yesterday’s Peter. (My, how strange!) I’m old enough to realize that people aren’t necessarily obligated to stay the exact same person all their lives. Even old farts like me can undergo somewhat radical transformations in a matter of days, affecting everything about our writing style. Sometimes totally unrelated to dementia!
Because sincere writing is being oneself. We can stop apologizing for possessing a mind for which being alive means constant change: a dynamic identity.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 10 2025 0:52 utc | 305

persiflo | Jun 10 2025 0:43 utc | 302
Thanks. I had started wondering if I had contacted Karl but have no memory of it. A few things stand out in my memory at that point in time, but other things only have a hazy if any memory off.
There was mind numbing fatigue lack of sleep, heavy drinking and constant overwhelming physical discomfort. I had had enough of life.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 0:54 utc | 306

In response to hopehely@292,
Although I don’t doubt that it’s a question that continuously echoes in Russian halls of power, reflecting the opinions of the general public, I think that as a response to uninhibited Western/Ukrainian escalation, it would create new problems rather than solve existing ones. I believe the Russians were surprised by Ukraine’s cynicism in bringing harm to its own civilian population as part of the conflict. Perhaps before the SMO, the idea of a quick operation to liberate the Baltic states might have appeared attractive, while now all these potential fronts are viewed for what they are, as hostage situations. In a hostage situation, while the end-goal is to liberate the hostages and to apprehend the hostage-takers, the intermediate stage is to guarantee the relative safety of the hostages, even if that precludes direct action.
As with Ukraine, I believe that if Russia ever does pull the trigger on the Baltics, it will be in response to an immediate impending threat, like the one Ukraine presented to DNR/LNR — equivalent to a hostage taker issuing a threat that heads are going to start rolling. So, while I agree with your general sentiment, I don’t see it happening, and recognize the validity of arguments against it. That said, there is a formal and escalating threat against maritime traffic emanating from the Baltic states and Finland, as well as echoes of a threat against Kaliningrad, and a new army group being assembled on the Russian side to balance the increased NATO pressure from this direction. I’m sure plenty of bricks would be shat if Russia did open up a second front against Finland and the Baltic states, for self-defense purposes, throwing the gauntlet in NATO’s face, though I believe that in this case a lot would hinge on achieving quick success in a more limited objective. Getting sucked into a second, parallel war of attrition, or simply widening the front-line, would not bring any benefits.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 10 2025 0:56 utc | 307

My thoughts would be targeted assassinations of the US and UK security state officials involved, all deniable by both sides but the US/UK rulers would get the message “you could be next”. A “break in gone wrong” for some senior official in London etc. Also just do Zelensky and his oligarch boss already.
The ethnic Russians around Narva in Estonia should also be told to declare independence from the anti-Russian Estonian state. That little annoying poodle needs a good kick in the head to learn to be better behaved. Russia should also offer special bonuses to all Russian speakers in the Baltics to help depopulate them by about 25%+ and completely upend their economies. Would help with the Russian worker shortages.
My latest update on Ukraine, Ukraine Update

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jun 10 2025 1:01 utc | 308

Sometimes, almost every post was something like “fuck off troll”, for which he is famous for to this very day. MoA even has a couple of imitators, but they aren’t as good at it.
Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 9 2025 23:53 utc | 269
Praised be is fuckiness
never a imitator, peter off was a praise and celebration (small representation of the fullness of the master)
Few commandments did he leave
1. The troll feed not, but pray he leaves as fucking soon as possible
2. Libations do often and strongly. deny neither scottish nor irish
3. Chastise also the fried, as the fiend, all merit , already or soon
Those were his words before he has risen…

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 10 2025 1:02 utc | 309

Karlof1’s radio silence on this matter is deafening.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 1:02 utc | 310

Shadowbanned’s issue was deeper. He is arrogant and antisocial. People don’t want to be lectured or harangued.
SoA is similar. Cranks will be cranks. They don’t care what the topic is or what the audience thinks. They’re going to shoehorn their ideas into the discussion, more often than not, alienating potential allies.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 0:27 utc | 290

Buy a damn mirror you overposting twat.

Posted by: Barstool | Jun 10 2025 1:03 utc | 311

LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 0:35 utc | 298
Yeah. The power may be apparent, but after a history of real power.
You can’t make a figment of platforms of weapons because the enemy will know that you are pretending.
Nah. Nowadays, every state’s military knows pretty well what’s all about. Another thing is who dictate the standards and protocols.
Nobody is so dumb as pretended.

Posted by: Caution | Jun 10 2025 1:03 utc | 312

I promise to send all of you a photo of my colon cancer. By a free link.
Seriously.
Posted by: Caution | Jun 10 2025 0:21 utc | 284
I had forgotten Pete’s number 4
4. If flea or fly invite you to explore his colon, promptly tell him to bugger off!

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 10 2025 1:11 utc | 313

Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 0:54 utc | 308
Are you kidding us?
Never, and I say never, Peter AU1 would write like you, impostor. He never would be apologizing for his life, and never would be trying to justify himself.
Shame of you. And shame of the so called online friends.
What a disgrace.
Done.

Posted by: Caution | Jun 10 2025 1:15 utc | 314

Newbie | Jun 10 2025 1:11 utc | 315
No. The problem only arises when a snake in the grass wishes to explorer my colon. Doctors in general seem to have a bit of a fetish in that regard. Always wanting to poke a scope up my arse.
Part of the reason I eventually gave up on those clowns.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 1:15 utc | 315

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 10 2025 1:11 utc | 315
UWDude is missing in action today so I thought I would try to take up the slack. This new “Caution” character is clearly another “William” sock. Going straight-up belligerence and incomprehensible jibberish. This stuff is more interesting than wildly divergent speculations about how Russia should take “revenge” over the strategic airbases attacks. Most of which involve “shadowbanned”-style emotional escalations.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 1:20 utc | 316

I can’t see this ending unless the duplicitous nature of the US and the inherent paucity of power and force of the UK and a few other belligerent members of NATO is pointed out. They are constantly the provocateurs. The US is far weaker militarily speaking than it presents itself to be and its administration is already having a bun fight yet still planning more wars, especially against China. An administration whose leader doesn’t really know what is going on, who is mainly interested in gaining attention surrounded by a bunch of eclectic loonies is going to crumble all by itself. It’s also causing so many problems for itself that it will have difficulty dealing with the consequences. The Republican party has it share of wannabe leaders too who act in ways that are mind boggling like Lindsay Graham. Then there’s the deep state and CIA that I don’t think Tulsi Gabbard has any control over it is so rotten with disease. What difference are they to any other terrorist group in the world these days if they are in fact behind the kind of operations we see in Russia and sometimes in Ukraine?

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 1:25 utc | 317

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 0:51 utc | 306
LOL!
You’d have to be blind and stupid not to notice that the Jewed-up pseudo-Humanitarian West wrecked Iraq, Libya and Syria to “save” them from Neocon-nominated “Evil Dictators”.
And it’s virtually illegal in the Jewed-up West to criticise “Israel’s” Genocide/collective punishment in Gaza.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 10 2025 1:26 utc | 318

Your only interest is disrupt the threads with a call for attention and some comments pretending concern.
You are the same impostor who used to write “fuck off”.
The real Peter AU1 never posted during 3 days, hundreds of comments in order to justify his life.
And, the fact is that you has begun in the Martyanov’ blog. Testing…
Liar.

Posted by: Caution | Jun 10 2025 1:29 utc | 319

What’s to be done? — as Lenin would have asked. Russia has two big constraints:
(1) Russia does not want to kill large numbers of non-combatants, which is the normal occurrence in major wars. Russia especially wants to keep civilian casualties low since Russia sees many of the Ukrainians as fellow Slavs.
(2) Russia wants to avoid sliding into an all-out war with NATO, which would inevitably go thermonuclear.
So, what to do? One approach would be simply to cause panic among Ukrainians … and maybe among Euros too. For example, what if a rumor got started that Russia was going to nuke Kiev — or London — in about 2 days time? If the rumor was deemed credible, there would be immense disruption as Ukrainian/English people tried to flee the intended target. And then, at the moment when the attack was expected, Russia releases a firm official statement that they are shocked (shocked!) to learn about this false rumor, and of course Russia has no intention of nuking Kiev/London today.

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jun 10 2025 1:29 utc | 320

UWDude is missing in action today so I thought I would try to take up the slack. This new “Caution” character is clearly another “William” sock.
Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 1:20 utc | 318
_______
Sounds more to me like the troll who’s burned through several dozen usernames by now and always seems to end up in a puddle of fatuous and barely literate drivel about Love and such — when not posting YT links to all his favorite songs.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 10 2025 1:31 utc | 321

Lavrov just made a point of announcing that Russia is well aware there are American CIA officers embedded in the SBU Building, and they have been there all along, since the Glorious Maidan at least. He also mentioned there are intelligence officers and instructors from other foreign countries who supply Ukraine with money and weapons.
It kind of sounded like a warning to me. Like we know they’re there. Now you know we know. A word to the wise. And if, in a couple of days, an Iskander directly into the building made a new basement a couple of levels below the old one, and a bunch of CIA and NATO officers were Quik-Roasted…whose fault would it be? Weren’t you told?
I’ve read that Russia is considering the assassination of a high-ranking SBU Officer whose involvement in the attacks has been proven to Russia’s satisfaction by investigation. The SBU has triumphantly bugled its leadership in these attacks, and has pretended to have pulled off the whole thing themselves. We’re agreed that’s unlikely, but they are almost volunteering for a hit. Even though it was sort of done before, I still think a complete shittering of the entire SBU building, together with everyone in it, would be a good start if not an appropriate response. And like the FSB, the SBU likely has real-estate all over Ukraine – if Russia was ambitious enough to incinerate several of them and reduce the SBU to a leaderless handful, I’d call that ordnance well-spent.

Posted by: Mark | Jun 10 2025 1:32 utc | 322

See the consequences of this dishonest troll.
I appeal to Karl to clarify this mess.
I will apologize, if I’m wrong.
I doubt it.

Posted by: Caution | Jun 10 2025 1:33 utc | 323

Trump’s unconstitutional provoking of riots in LA is a great diversion from the US failure in Ukraine and the charade of pretend peace talks isn’t it…just saying…

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 1:36 utc | 324

The most elegant asymmetrical move so far was the unilateral decision to return the 6000 dead bodies, causing panic in Kiev and great anger against Zelensky among families of the dead.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 9 2025 20:17 utc | 163
What would have been even more asymmetrical would have been to bury the 6000 with full dignity at the edge of the buffer region in a special graveyard.
The bereaved Ukrainian families would be granted special rights to visit the tombstones through an agreed checkpoint.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 10 2025 1:36 utc | 325

Found this in my open tabs.
Worth a repost?
Zlielenskyy wants U$NATO and anybody’s troops in Ukraine…. Not in Kiev or safe cities, but out on the frontlines.
Does anyone think there are safe cities in Ukraine now?
https://x.com/TRUMP_ARMY_/status/1928136414052376759

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 10 2025 1:36 utc | 326

Gavin Longmuir | Jun 10 2025 1:29 utc | 322
Sometime ago Putin made a comment that the self inflicted downfall of the US is now irreversible.
It is now just a matter of time. Apart from an occasional stern warning and a kick in the but when the west gets too rowdy, all Russia has to do is wait. Us demise also includes the demise of westphalia as a whole, as any sort of a world power.
I think the Brits and Europeans have an inkling of this which is why we are seeing their desperation now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 1:38 utc | 327

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 20:12 utc | 158
Welcome back, Peter. We thought you had passed on.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 10 2025 1:38 utc | 328

@Caution. Fuck off dickhead.
It’s either Peter or it isn’t.
Ranting and posting here is just shitting up the thread.
Just shut the fuck up.
——
Happy? You’ve just been “petered”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 10 2025 1:40 utc | 329

Oreshnik the Super Bowl

Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Jun 10 2025 1:40 utc | 330

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 10 2025 1:26 utc | 320
Granted, your posts here have a lot more heft and intellectual validity than do the Hasbara posters who are given free reign on the Simplicius’ substack to throw off the discussions. But almost every single post of yours, here too, blames only Jews, and excuses all the others.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 1:40 utc | 331

Re:
Peter AU1
I stop by the bar infrequently but was here some months back on the day when Peter AU1 reappeared. That was a good thing to happen.
So I check in again today and whaddayaknow. Haha. Liked the backstory I never knew about.
The nag said ‘done.’ But it was a broken promise. Sadly.
Carry on.

Posted by: osi not ossi | Jun 10 2025 1:42 utc | 332

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 1:38 utc | 329
If anyone knows the symptoms and stages of downfall of a country it is Putin.

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 1:43 utc | 333

malenkov | Jun 10 2025 1:31 utc | 323
What?

Posted by: Caution | Jun 10 2025 1:43 utc | 334

malenkov | Jun 10 2025 1:31 utc | 323
What?
Posted by: Caution | Jun 10 2025 1:43 utc | 336
Malenkov is one of the best posters on this board. Read between the lines.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 1:51 utc | 335

About PeterAU1’s resurrection.
I live in Brazil, in the region corresponding to the -3gmt time zone (the time zones that pass through Brazil are: -2, -3, -4 and -5; I think the first time zone that passes through the American continent is -2gmt). Well, if it’s midnight here, it’s obvious that: there’s still no sun in any part of the Americas; it’s dawn in Europe and Africa; while in Australia it’s sunny.
So, barflies, it was 2AM here (dawn), the bar was practically empty (just me and two Australians posting), when PeterAU1 told us: a) about the precise and exact location of Australia where he lived; b) about the characteristics of the boat he lived on; c) about the effects of cold and heat on his health; and d) about the characteristics of the equipment he used to access the internet.
If the PeterAU1 who is here is the real deal, I challenge him to SAY AS MUCH AS HE CAN about the four items: a, b, c, and d.
If he is a fraud, it is statistically impossible for him to pass this test, because for each of these items there are too many variables.
And there was one subject that PeterAU1 was an expert in. Does anyone remember? Please let “PeterAU1” speak first. I agree with the other drunks that he is a impostor.

Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 1:54 utc | 336

And there was one subject that PeterAU1 was an expert in. Does anyone remember? Please let “PeterAU1” speak first. I agree with the other drunks that he is a impostor.
Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 1:54 utc | 338
Don’t be so silly and gulllible. Anyone can see what the old PeterAU1 said in his previous commentary on MoA. It is all there in the archives. Anyone can imitate it.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 1:59 utc | 337

Elber | Jun 10 2025 1:54 utc | 338
“about the characteristics of the boat he lived on”?
As to being an expert on something? Me – I have an opinion on everything under the sun? Some things I have researched a lot, others I haven’t.
Who is an expert and who is an ex-spurt..:) It seems in my previous life, my shadow was larger than me.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 2:02 utc | 338

Karlof1 has some explaining to do.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 2:13 utc | 339

“One asymmetrical response I can think of would be an attack on British, not U.S. owned, strategic assets. Any hit on Britain would be well deserved anyway.”
A man after my own heart!
Really, what are those two Brit bases still doing in Cyprus…?

Posted by: Jim Jatras | Jun 10 2025 2:14 utc | 340

Beautiful attacks against Ukraine at this moment. But this is business as usual. Ukraine must be nuked. It deserves it many times more than 1945 Japan. Iskandar with nukes or Oreshnik with nukes. Let warmongers in Europe deal with the refugee crisis and the food crises that follows. Europe is buying cheap food from Ukraine. No more after nuke strikes. Refugees mean it will worsen.
Putin should know by now that his restraint is punished by NATO not rewarded. No browny points for anything Russia does. Stop seeking sympathy from Nazis and colonial waste.

Posted by: Jason | Jun 10 2025 2:14 utc | 341

Double tap the head of ‘Russia House’ as soon as he sets foot outside the US

Posted by: HossCara | Jun 10 2025 2:23 utc | 342

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 2:02 utc | 340
“about the characteristics of the boat he lived on”?
ZelenskyAU1, if you reacted with surprise, you are definitely an impostor.
***
Barflies, Peter’s house was a boat… I know the date of the conversation; but if I tell him, ZelenskyAU1’ll look it up.

Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 2:24 utc | 343

Karlof1 also repeatedly insists that Russia has officially changed the SMO into an “anti-terrorist operation (ATO). I haven’t seen any evidence for that.
Sure, a few figures call the recent events “terrorism” (which they are), but I haven’t seen an official change from SMO to ATO. And really, what difference would that make?

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 2:26 utc | 344

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 2:26 utc | 346
According to Russian law, the ATO is the operation that was used in Chechnya; the SMO, as we already know. This change was agreed with Trump, in the last phone conversation. In short: Putin has carte blanche to do whatever he wants, BUT ONLY WITHIN 404.

Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 2:36 utc | 345

Posted by: Caution | Jun 10 2025 1:03 utc | 314
###########
What I wrote about power has been true for centuries until the last 5 years.
I can see a situation where it may be true again, but not for Western colonialists.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 2:37 utc | 346

Elber | Jun 10 2025 2:24 utc | 345
The clown at the lakes… Perhaps you and him could put on a clown show.
Tell me a bit about where I live. What is just afew few k’s east of me, what is several k’s to the west of me?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 2:39 utc | 347

Sure, a few figures call the recent events “terrorism” (which they are), but I haven’t seen an official change from SMO to ATO. And really, what difference would that make?
Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 2:26 utc | 346
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Larry Johnson is in Moscow right now and on the Judge today (by remote), he said that he spoke to Lavrov about it.
The difference is that it changes what can be declared targets. Legally, which is the for the Russians.
When it becomes a counter-terrorist operation, Zelensky, Budanov, and Sirsky can become targets.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 2:40 utc | 348

>>> Legally, which is the issue for the Russians

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 2:41 utc | 349

Posted by: Jason | Jun 10 2025 2:14 utc | 343
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Stop posting.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 2:42 utc | 350

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 1:51 utc | 337
Welcome. Jake’s / Spectator’slatest sock puppet creation. Hey mate. How’s it hanging?
Stop posting.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 2:42 utc | 352
Lovedonbass is up there as one of the top 3 most arrogant narcissistic blow hards of nonsense on this forum. Gawd I wish they’d stop posting.

Posted by: Original Child | Jun 10 2025 2:46 utc | 351

It seems in my previous life, my shadow was larger than me.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 2:02 utc | 340
Nothing is larger than Pete’s over inflated Ego. His entire life. Trust me I know him personally from long ago and am still in contact with his family.

Posted by: Original Child | Jun 10 2025 2:51 utc | 352

Re SMO/counter terrorist operation. Kursk I believe was treated as a terrorist operation and the Nato proxies were considered terrorists which do not come under the Geneva conventions.
Although mercenaries do not come under the Geneva conventions and Russia prefers to kill them on the battlefield anyway, but Kursk was the first time I saw russia put of a video of the finishing off of wounded Americans or any other mercenaries. The American unit were all knocked down by rifle fire the a storm trooper appeared on the American helmet cam finishing of the wounded with a pistol. The helmet cam owner was one of the wounded, legs busted or something, he held out his hand or some gesture then the Russian shot him and the helmet cam hit the dirt.
I think Russia has now classified the Kiev regime as terrorists, similar to the likes of Azov, but the SMO is still the SMO.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 2:52 utc | 353

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 2:26 utc | 346
Regarding the official change, the paperwork is in the Duma.
With this change, Trump can no longer talk about negotiations! That’s why Trump explained to Merz: I’m going to let Putin and Zelenskyy play in the park for a while; there’s going to be one time when I’m going to have to say: go home, kids! And when will that be?, asked the press; and Trump replied: that’s in my head!

Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 2:52 utc | 354

my choice would be to produce several thousands bullet proof giant air ballons shaped like a bear and float them like a kite over the USA .. one at a time.

Posted by: snake | Jun 10 2025 2:56 utc | 355

Regarding the official change, the paperwork is in the Duma.
Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 2:52 utc | 356
If that is the case then Russia will likely wait until that goes through before the response to the attacks on strategic aviation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 3:02 utc | 356

Russia should dust USA bombers fields, as many as the paper tiger has, and end this sharade once and for all. I can’t fathom why they put up wuth that impostor anymore.

Posted by: Marija | Jun 10 2025 3:10 utc | 357

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 3:02 utc | 358
With this change (SMO to ATO), the strikes on strategic aviation were a shot in the foot for Zelensky, and a bad gift for Putin.
Not to mention that Russia has gained broad support from the international community.
It seems that the impostor is fleeing; the speaker of the Rada takes over temporarily and calls elections.
It will be this new president who will negotiate the terms of surrender; or will sign the capitulation, if there is no agreement.

Posted by: Elber | Jun 10 2025 3:22 utc | 358

“Welcome. Jake’s / Spectator’slatest sock puppet creation. Hey mate. How’s it hanging?”
Posted by: Original Child | Jun 10 2025 2:46 utc | 353
Sometimes you people are unwilling to engage in any debate, and are just satisfied with yourselves to simply label someone as “Jake”. No, really I’m not Jake. Jake is a banned Aussie.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 3:23 utc | 359

b could do us a favour and start a thread_ PeterAu Pick-a-Box: imposter, poser or Lazarus
Palestine
Ukraine
Off topic
Peter Au
which would win the most posts?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 10 2025 3:28 utc | 360

Lovedonbass is up there as one of the top 3 most arrogant narcissistic blow hards of nonsense on this forum. Gawd I wish they’d stop posting.
Posted by: Original Child | Jun 10 2025 2:46 utc | 353
True. But we have to acknowledge that once a week LoveDobass posts a very good insight. Then the little fucker throws its legitimacy away with its anti-white stuff.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 3:30 utc | 361

LoveDonbass pretends to be a noble humanist and an anti-racist, but if one pays attention, it posts just more MSM-approved racism against white people.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 3:37 utc | 362

I dunno if everyone here has finished jerkin’ off or if they’ve retired to have a ‘real’ wet dream, but what I do know is that reading thru the thread it appears to me that about 90% of the suggested revenge is kinda pick the thing which you most dislike about the west and turn it into a ‘my favourite wish is . . . ,’ all with little regard to either practicality or a particular goal that the RF government has decided should be the ideal outcome of the exercise.
Revenge for revenge’s sake isn’t only destructive it is also likely to make any rapprochement with any nation of the west in the near future totally impossible, therefore sabotaging Russia’s ideal end state or outcome.
It doesn’t take much to discern from what Russian government officials have been saying that they’re telling the world that the ideal outcome for them is the death of ukieland’s senior leadership, zelenski, budanov and syrsky who the vast majority of the people of Russia believe are in league with england & amerika to destroy Russia.
It is likely that Russia will continue to maintain this fiction (it is highly likely that whomsoever is selected to replace these types will behave identically to their predecessors.) therefore Russia may content itself for a time by scaring the living shit outta those 3 low lifes.
I have no idea what Russia’s selected end state of ukieland & ukies following the proposed action/s is, and that is how it should be cos whilst they are working towards whatever strategic outcome they have selected, they will no longer have to put up with the zelensky creep notifying them of what/where/when his helicopter or airplane is up to and to please not shoot it down because even if Russia never gave any sign that he is a marked man, it has become impossible to be certain that Russia will oblige by not deciding one day, that today is the day zelenski dies.
So all domestic travel for the leadership over all of ukieland including the west of ukieland is now outta the question other than by road or rail. Russia will have ‘spotters’ dedicated to ensuring Russia knows exactly where any of the 3 are at any time. They (the 3) will likely treat all this as a joke at first, riffing about the great job they have done cranking up Russians but this will pall fast as they grow tired of trying to ID possible watchers, bored with solely road/rail travel and worn out by ‘living on the razor’s edge 24/7’.
“Well arseholes now you know what the people you press-ganged into becoming meat feel like 24/7.”
Maybe if one of the 3 suddenly presents as an easy target, Russia will strike early but it would have to be real easy with a guaranteed favourable to Russia outcome. This is very unlikely for all sorts of reasons, especially that Russia will feel they may be buying a pig in a poke.
It is likely the Russian leadership already had a list of suitable extreme actions to take if the ukies ever did do something over the top, so now it is merely a case of waiting for an ideal set of circumstances to undertake the action. There could be nothing worse for Russia than an extreme action being either stymied or not achieving the desired impact, so Russia will be very careful to avoid anything of the sort.
In the meantime Russians can content themselves with the knowledge that a big chunk of kiev’s biggest arseholes are shitting bricks.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 10 2025 3:41 utc | 363

At the risk of summoning SofA – and thus a tsunami of pixels that’ll exhaust my scrollbar –
And in a probably futile effort to vaguely get back on topic….
It’s been suggested several times by the sober few barflies (as opposed to the “nuke em” rowdies) that the economic battle field is the arena to really cripple U$A (and UK).
The bond market has problems.
Remember the SanctionsFromHell™️ that were to destroy Russia in 6 weeks?~ err 6 months, tops..
It’d be a beautiful karmic kind of symmetry if the U$ crumbled from economic wounds.

Wall Street SHAKEN: US Struggles to Sell $22 Billion in Bonds Amid the Most Dangerous Bond Auction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhboJ9R3o78
[ haven’t actually watched… but I enjoyed the headline]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 10 2025 3:42 utc | 364

These are largely violent suggestions and not very asymmetrical.
It’d be quite easy for them to short 10 and 30 year gilts prior to auctions.
Treasuries too. This is our Achilles heel.

Posted by: bobzibub | Jun 10 2025 3:44 utc | 365

Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 3:23 utc | 361
Jake, the man on the boat. I couldn’t remember the username he used for a bit. He began changing them after I had a bit of a run in with him.
Another username I saw recently from around that time was Wisco over at the Martyanov blog. He also began changing usernames when I had a bit of a run in with him. Throwing hissy fits and stuff.
Although those two weren’t part of them, the number of gloating trolls that swamped the Kursk threads at the onset of operation propaganda was a bit much for me And started with the Short and sweet Fuck off troll as standard reply to their trolling. they mostly resorted to name changing and username hijacking. Hit a few with friendly fire once the username hijacking took over.
Recieved a bit of a warning from b in an email but hadn’t see that when I got a bit out of line with a comment to Canuck because I disagreed with him on that subject. There b gave a public warning to me in a comment so I pulled my head in a bit. At least b got cranky enough to clean up some of the trolls and username hijackers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2025 3:47 utc | 366

“At the risk of summoning SofA”
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 10 2025 3:42 utc | 366
No summons by any others is needed. SoA will continue to make very long posts designed to make us believe that the paper money printed at will by his most-favored financial gurus isn’t fake.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 3:53 utc | 367

I disagree with B’s take here on both points. Firstly, I don’t see the so-called doctrine of retaliation in the face of nuclear provocation as quite so rigid. Yes Russia could strike back outside of Ukraine, if they felt sufficiently threatened by air strikes deep inside Russia, but more pragmatically, that would depend upon the severity and scale of the strikes. Retaliation outside of Ukraine is definitely worst case scenario for both sides and the west needs to know about it and that its implementation cannot be ruled out.
That’s enough.
On the second point concerning the timing and scale of strikes upon Ukraine, again I doubt the strikes are as strictly measured as B supposes. It is certainly no coincidence that the largest ever air raid upon Ukraine is made only days after the recent attacks on Russian homeland air bases. That is surely a resounding demonstration of the ineffectiveness of the Ukrainian raids. Yes these things take time to organise but they are a regular and ongoing routine and adjustments to scale and targets (especially NATO holdings and personnel) are updated according to intelligence. These things too urge flexibility.
So I reject the asymmetrical analysis of escalation as well and Russian diplomacy seems consistent with my take.

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Jun 10 2025 3:56 utc | 368

“One asymmetrical response I can think of would be an attack on British, not U.S. owned, strategic assets.”
Indeed. But I highly doubt that Russia would do it, because I think Russia FEARS the West. Russia is also extremely predictable, which puts it at an extreme disadvantage.
The Russian leadership are NOT psychopaths. The US CIA and leadership (including unelected billionaires)is filled with psychopaths. Psychopaths have ZERO fear and count on the empathy of Russian leadership to trip them up. Russia needs to THINK like a psychopath, or at least try and get rid of its FEAR of the West and any wishing, hoping and praying to get in the good graces of the US
Russia FELL FOR the BS out of the Trump Admin in Trump’s constant proclamations of ending the war. Russia listened to WORDS and ignored ACTIONS.
I sincerely hope Russia has learned its lesson and now becomes as STRATEGIC AND FEARLESS as the US, who is desperate to break up Russia and steal its resources.

Posted by: Kay | Jun 10 2025 4:01 utc | 369

“One asymmetrical response I can think of would be an attack on British, not U.S. owned, strategic assets.”
Indeed. But I highly doubt that Russia would do it, because I think Russia FEARS the West. Russia is also extremely predictable, which puts it at an extreme disadvantage.
The Russian leadership are NOT psychopaths. The US CIA and leadership (including unelected billionaires)is filled with psychopaths. Psychopaths have ZERO fear and count on the empathy of Russian leadership to trip them up. Russia needs to THINK like a psychopath, or at least try and get rid of its FEAR of the West and any wishing, hoping and praying to get in the good graces of the US
Russia FELL FOR the BS out of the Trump Admin in Trump’s constant proclamations of ending the war. Russia listened to WORDS and ignored ACTIONS.
I sincerely hope Russia has learned its lesson and now becomes as STRATEGIC AND FEARLESS as the US, who is desperate to break up Russia and steal its resources.

Posted by: Kay | Jun 10 2025 4:01 utc | 370

“I disagree with B’s take here on both points”
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Jun 10 2025 3:56 utc | 369
You will be banned. How dare you!

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 4:06 utc | 371

I waded through the entire thread and found myself at odds with many who seem possessed by the NATO provocation on the strategic airbases, with more than a few exceptions.
First priority, love the world, love peace — as the Russians and others do. Don’t start a nuclear war.
Second, “All wars are bankers wars” comes to mind; and “If all else fails they take you to war.”
I won’t elaborate, but refer you to Alex Krainer’s work.
Incidentally he mentioned in a recent interview (posted at smoothie’s blog comment section a few days ago) that the closed circuit cameras are still down in London, with a few exceptions. (He first noticed this last september.). All set for a false flag to rally the cannon fodder to fight another banker’s war?
As Psychohistorian and Michael Hudson & friends always remind us, this is a civilizational war between private finance and public finance. Private finance is losing. Mirror violence on behalf of humanity to its death thralls is a dead end.
~~
As for the subthread topic, this Peter Au1 seems more sober. If you’re still kicking Peter, all the best. Sorry about all your suffering. Life is mighty, sometimes mighty hard and painful, but flecked with wonder and joy.

Posted by: suzan | Jun 10 2025 4:26 utc | 372

@ suzan | Jun 10 2025 4:26 utc | 373
nice sentiment suzan.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Jun 10 2025 4:28 utc | 373

Posted by: Jason | Jun 10 2025 2:14 utc | 343
“It deserves it many times more than 1945 Japan.”
Actually Jason, Japan never deserved it either, the war was already won. The major reason the US dropped nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was because the USSR had assembled a 1 million strong ground force in Manchuria to keep the Japanese out of their territory and help China, particularly Mao not the US favourite gangster Chiang Kai Shek. The same old fear of communism and even Marxism was what the motivator behind this was too.
Japan and Russia before the Russian revolution were enemies, Japan had sunk that part the Russian Fleet on the Vladivostok side early in beginning of the 20th Century. I suspect that the Americans also wanted to make a show of power to the world since they had invested in researching and producing the bomb and wanted to be the first to show it. The war with Japan gave them the opportunity.
So once again you show blatant ignorance of both history and the danger of using nuclear weapons. And on top of that if someone suggested dropping nuclear bombs anywhere near where you live you’d cry like a baby with fear. I’m sure you’d also enjoy the radiation contaminated third degree burns and disgusting radiation sickness as well.

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 4:29 utc | 374

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 4:29 utc | 375
George, people have told you over and over to stop feeding the trolls. Everyone knows that “Jason” is a troll. You should stop feeding it.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 4:47 utc | 375

Of course they’ll never do anything because Russia are to be toyed with: 1. Didn’t give S400 to Iran, 2. Did not use them in Syria against the zionists, 3. turkey shot down pilots and erDOGan is still there and Russia is using them for talks and boosting them as alleged conflict managers, 4. the zionists shot down a Russian armored personnel [air] carrier and they did nothing but have bibi at VE day, 5. blatant bias for athletes in international sports (and not to genocidal worse than nazi zionists) and Russia does nothing, 6. do nothing but “warn” about colored revolutions that screw Russia (see Armenia). All they do is play reactive and not proactive.
Only fool would waste his life for Russia (or the west/israel) that is a toy and toys with soldiers. Vlad Chamberlain is a clown!

Posted by: Sal | Jun 10 2025 5:10 utc | 376

As for the subthread topic, this Peter Au1 seems more sober.
Posted by: suzan | Jun 10 2025 4:26 utc | 373

Indeed. The new Peter isn’t half as miserable as the old one.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 10 2025 5:25 utc | 377

Old Peter was a ranting foaming at the mouth psycho screaming vulgarities at anyone who he disagrees with. So yes this is a fake Peter.

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 10 2025 5:33 utc | 378

Posted by: Jane | Jun 9 2025 21:51 utc | 212
ABS-O-FUCKING-LUTELY
It’s the CIA/MOSSAD/MI-6 approach and how often have any of those scumsuckers been hit with reprisals? Let’s see the Russians do this like the scandalous westerners do but with real-world benefits to most people on Earth. China will laugh. Or simply sit aside and watch, neither approvingly or otherwise.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 10 2025 5:45 utc | 379

“In the future, read my entire comment before replying.”
What about not even starting with something like this in the first place?
It’s just insane how people here bring his up over and over and over and over again, something no one should even think about in the first place.
Starting with this, I don’t even care to read the rest of all these posts, especially because there are far too many of them, to the point where you start to doubt what this place is here…
Thankfully here and there people bring up, that those are not seen as visitors or “barflies”, but as trolls and worse, but the mass of such comments is still insane and makes at least the comment section look like dominated by insane Nazis. What is obviously not good.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 5:47 utc | 380

Old Peter was a ranting foaming at the mouth psycho screaming vulgarities at anyone who he disagrees with. So yes this is a fake Peter.
Posted by: Surferket | Jun 10 2025 5:33 utc | 379
If so, likely ‘piloted’ by you in your CIA or Unit 8200 bunker (or unmarked office building). Regardless, noobody GAF what you say, Brony.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 10 2025 5:47 utc | 381

a real asymetric respond would be the destruction of the finance system as the base of all might the enemies have.
And taking out all those Banderista and their western goons in Kiew might be an additional benefit.

Posted by: ableman | Jun 10 2025 5:47 utc | 382

The purpose of the attack was to provoke an open escalation. Russia will not do this outside Ukraine. But there might be some so called terrorist actions on military bases in the Middle east. Or even what is happening in California is related to it. It doesn’t even need to be so as long as some people think it is.

Posted by: hubert | Jun 10 2025 5:51 utc | 383

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 4:47 utc | 376
What makes you site policeman however? Do you have a badge for that? I know full well how to deal with Jason, as others often do here. I love donbass already told him to go, but you have said nothing about that.
People have NOT told me over and over to stop feeding the trolls. That is a blatant lie. I respect B’s wishes, but tell me has Jason posted again since I wrote my comment. And besides he needs to know the history and it is an opportunity to write it. In some ways I actually prefer trolls which I am quite capable of dealing with, than self-appointed policeman moderators on the threads. So FO

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 5:52 utc | 384

“which would win the most posts? ”
While quantity might have a quality of it own, this is rarely the cast when it comes to opinions and ranting.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 5:59 utc | 385

Well – it has been a jolly game of Bollocks Bingo.
Rules are – all who bought ticket -stand up.
If your number gets called – you lose. Say bollocks and sit down. Last one standing wins – a bollocks prize!
The fun is in the varied voicing of ‘bollocks’ as the losers number is called out.
The winner is ….
PeterAu1
His booby prize is
RESSURECTION!
Welcome back cobber – glad you better – stay sober stay well and enjoy the freedom of rebirth.
I sincerely mean that. Even if I may not approve air agree with your opinion and experiences. Most grown ups learn that ot they remain frozen child’s all their deluded lives.
I diecerend it was ‘real you’ with your mention of ‘Westphalian’ – I remember when you had picked up on it when I was explaining the dots of history theory of mine a year or so back. Maybe you don’t. But I do.
Your brave explanation of what happened was then more than enough. Thanks.
Long May you be with us again man.
We are all equally susceptible to despair.
Here is where we can hang on with our fingernails and claw back to hope and love of life and some virtual camaraderie.
If it helps s live out real life.
Thanks therefore Peter also for the game within the game that we invented here – a very philosophical and practical problem for our future selves – how to identify a doppelgänger whether AI of human?
Especially in a forum such as this where we all start as virtual beings anyway. Who knows who we are anyway? Never mind who then pretends to be us?
As usual PK Dick and other such imagineers were already thinking about this last century.
In this instance it is only about human socks as I doubt any actual real AI – if it exists yet ‘in the wild’ would be hereabouts.
In this corner bar.
If it’s is – I welcome our future overlords and urm…friends?
Anyway ‘Peter’ – I did a (amateur) researched post on the khazarian origins around the time of your ‘demise’ which I dedicated to you.
Persiflo has kindly popped it on his site as I don’t have a blog or whatever the new platforms are. If you do read it – not saying you should – I would appreciate your thoughts on that.
Ultimately if there is one thing that can be pointed as the snake in the grass of Humanity it is these ancient Slavers who took Europe from the Roman Empire – through the invention of fake judaeochristianity religions – into the Holy Roman Empire.
Those traders, robbers and pirates, toll collectors, murderers and Slav slavers – the Money creators and Bankers, who ‘evolved’ on the Eurasian cross roads – where they made their Khazar Empire. Why they so want ‘Ukraine’ Crimea red and Azov seas so much. Why they have sent countless millions and the. Eat generals to die and kill hundreds of millions to reconquest. Why they HATE Russians so much. Why all the Russophobia of the Collective Waste…
Because they were resisted and bettered by the coming together of their victims as the Rus that is now the RF – they took on the victim mask Judaic religion and shapeshifted though Europe with kingdoms and nations to build armies to throw at the Russians and failed everytime as they fail again this century right now. And incite spiteful nuclear conflagration.
All the imperialism and colonisation which dropped your forebears all the way across the world into the continent where you never should have been born and suffer in. Where they brought genocide of ancient native peoples and species with alien flora and fauna… started with their creation of the Westphalian nation states to marshal ever more Europeans into peoples that could be sent to conquer. By land and then by seas to encircle that which they laid claim to Millenia ago – the Eden of EurAsia and the greatest continent of all Africa.
That brings us back full circle to the purpose of this thread – what or rather WHO is the real villain of the peace of the world and the answer is them. The khazar shapeshifters and their FEW dynastic families and their sociopath, psychopath servants.
They who ferment and profit from every war and always hide far from any danger to themselves, their dynasties and wealth.
They who would destroy 90% of humanity because they fear them. They who seem humanity they don’t own as useless eaters.
They should be the targets not just of the RF but of the only possible peaceful polycentric future of human Civilisational progress – the MANY.
Is that asymmetric enough for everyone?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 10 2025 6:19 utc | 386

It’s better to talk about Peter than it is speculating about how Russia will get revenge over the attacks on its strategic bomber bases.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 6:27 utc | 387

@Melaleuca
Video is a repost … original was 9 Jan. 2025 .. old stuff.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 10 2025 6:28 utc | 388

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 4:47 utc | 376
Actually having gone back through your posts of which there are many here and reading your arrogant and superior and condescending criticisms of many people, I can see you are nothing but a puerile troll yourself and mainly here to stir up trouble and take up space while adding nothing at all – so double FO FO

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 6:30 utc | 389

– Both parties are “walking on eggshells”.
– Russia could attack Diego Garcia with “wooden bombs” or attack CIA facilities in the Ukraine.

Posted by: WMG | Jun 10 2025 6:31 utc | 390

“Pentagon to deploy Marines amid California unrest”
On going wars against the world, and its own people targeted in the same way as well.

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 6:37 utc | 391

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 6:37 utc | 392
########
Insert Hannibal Smith voice
“Gotta love it when a plan comes together.”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 6:40 utc | 392

Thankfully here and there people bring up, that those are not seen as visitors or “barflies”, but as trolls and worse, but the mass of such comments is still insane and makes at least the comment section look like dominated by insane Nazis. What is obviously not good.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 5:47 utc | 381
I think this robo-troll might be broken. No make sense no more.
Be a lamb Beatrice and call your programer to reboot you.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 10 2025 6:41 utc | 393

From the UK press:

‘Ramp up defence spending or start learning Russian’: NATO boss Mark Rutte’s chilling warning as he piles pressure on Keir Starmer to hike military budget by £30BILLION (Daily Mail)

£30 billion? I’m willing to learn Russian for half that amount.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 10 2025 6:42 utc | 394

“Gotta love it when a plan comes together.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 6:40 utc | 393
Exactly!

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 6:43 utc | 395

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 10 2025 5:47 utc | 381
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Thinkers think. Sacred cow topics are a sign of a primitive mind.
Please stop shaking your finger at other’s opinions. It makes you seem deranged.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 6:44 utc | 396

@ DunGroanin | Jun 10 2025 6:19 utc | 387 with the incomplete, IMO, history of the Western form of social disorganization….thx…is this what persiflo has posted….link?
You did well but in the preface there needs to be talk about the barbaristic patriarchs of old who created the monotheistic religions to cement their social dominance. I get a lot of pushback here about noting that women have not had agency in the West and it might have something to do with why we are allowing barbaric genocide against women and children currently…….I don’t believe our species is meant to be dominated forever by the God Of Mammon cult at the head of the Western form of social organization…..I hope that domination ends soon.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 10 2025 6:49 utc | 397

“£30 billion? I’m willing to learn Russian for half that amount.”
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 10 2025 6:42 utc | 397
Funny!
“The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!”
Amazing how it works: “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger”. Herman Goering

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 6:52 utc | 398

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 6:30 utc | 392
We all have our opinions and our biases, but that was an unfair attack. At some point, someone is going to have to tell you “fuck off troll”.

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 6:53 utc | 399

Posted by: Thatguy | Jun 10 2025 6:53 utc | 402
F Off

Posted by: George | Jun 10 2025 6:55 utc | 400