Russia Seeks 'Asymmetrical' Response For Strike On Its Nuclear Assets
There is some confusion over Russia's response to the June 1/2 attacks on railway infrastructure and its strategic nuclear forces.
To recap:
On Saturday/Sunday Ukrainian diversion groups used explosives to destroy two Russian railroad bridges in the Kursk and Bryansk region. These bridges were located some 50 kilometer north of the Sumy region frontline. The hits will impact, if only for a short time, the railway bound supply of Russian forces north of Sumy.
One of the bridge explosions destroyed a civil passenger train. Some 10 people were killed and some 100 were wounded. This was likely intended and thereby a terror attack.
On Sunday morning a large scale operation by the Ukrainian secret service managed to attack multiple strategic airfields throughout Russia. Ukrainian sources claimed attacks on five airfields and the destruction of more than 40 strategic bombers.
Current damage assessment confirms attacks on two airfields and the destruction or damaging of up to 10 bombers.
It is very important to distinguish these attacks. While both coincided with negotiations between Ukraine in Russia in Istanbul, and were clearly timed to influence those, the purpose was larger.
The railroad attacks were planned to hinder rearward logistics of Russia's operation in Ukraine's Sumy region. That a civilian train was hit by these was likely seen by the Ukrainian forces as an additional feature but not as a main purpose. Still, it is the mass harm of civilians that make this otherwise permissible attack on a quasi-military target a terrorist act. The Russian side has emphasized this.
The attack on the strategic bombers of Russia's nuclear triad (land based nuclear missiles, submarine based nuclear missiles, air carriers for launching nuclear bombs and missiles) hit at a much higher level. It was a military attack on a strategic military target. Russia's publicly announced doctrine allows for the use of nuclear forces to retaliate for such an attack on its nuclear assets. This independent of the immediate source of the attack.
The attack on the railway bridges were an operation that is typical for British services. It has been reported and is well known that British services have advised and helped the Ukrainians to launch sea drones against Russia in the Black Sea, to cross the Dnieper river in Krinki and in other operations of higher propaganda value.
The Russian Foreign Minister has accused the U.K of direct involvement in the terrorist attack.
Several western experts of U.S. special services believe, as the Russian's do, that the operation against its nuclear forces have a different actor behind them - most likely the CIA. It is unlikely that Ukraine would have been able to identify and target those airfields without the intelligence acquired by U.S. sources. There is also no military benefit for Ukraine to attack Russian air bases far from its territory.
It has been reported that since 2014 the CIA had build some 20 stations in Ukraine from where it operates against Russia. Several high ranking Ukrainian intelligence actors, including the head of its military intelligence service General Budanov, have been trained by the CIA and are actively cooperating with it.
The CIA has a special unit dedicated to long term plans to harm Russia. As the Washington Post once described it:
The warren of cubicles was secured behind a metal door. The name on the hallway placard had changed often over the years, most recently designating the space as part of the Mission Center for Europe and Eurasia. But internally, the office was known by its unofficial title: “Russia House.”The unit had for decades been the center of gravity at the CIA, an agency within the agency, locked in battle with the KGB for the duration of the Cold War. The department’s prestige had waned after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and it was forced at one point to surrender space to counterterrorism officers.
But Russia House later reclaimed that real estate and began rebuilding, vaulting back to relevance as Moscow reasserted itself. Here, among a maze of desks, dozens of reports officers fielded encrypted cables from abroad, and “targeters” meticulously scoured data on Russian officials, agencies, businesses and communications networks the CIA might exploit for intelligence.
'Russia House' was deeply involved in creating the hoax about Russian interference in U.S. elections. Former nuclear weapon inspector Scott Ritter as well as others have asserted that political control over 'Russia House' is less stringent than desirable.
Another data point for the CIA's involvement was a piece by David Ignatius, its spokesperson at the Washington Post which openly threatened further attacks on Russia's strategic nuclear assets:
Ukraine’s dirty war is just getting started (archived) - David Ignatius / Washington Post
Ukraine has considered a naval version of the sneak-attack tactic it used so effectively on Sunday. The sources said the [Ukrainian intelligence service] SBU weighed sending sea drones hidden in cargo containers to attack ships of Russia and its allies in the North Pacific. But, so far, they apparently have yet to launch these operations.
'Russia House' continues to be busy. Still, even 'Russia House' needs a legal bases to act which usually comes in the form of presidential findings.
The conclusion from this is that the CIA, with the knowledge of the White House, has planned and directed the Ukrainian attack on Russia's strategic air fields.
The different qualities of the two attacks on June 1/2 require different responses. One response, throughout the last days, has come by strong Russian missile and drone attacks against military and military-industrial targets throughout Ukraine.
The Washington Post erred when it headlined:
Ukrainian cities pounded by Russia in retaliation for Sunday drone strike (archived) - Washington Post
The assault appears to be retaliation for Ukraine’s extensive attack on Russia’s bomber fleet on Sunday, targeting air bases across Russia and damaging many nuclear-capable aircraft.
The Russian attacks, by each some 500 missiles and drones over several nights, have obviously been in the plans for some time. They are not very special. Russian sources have explicitly said that these attacks were in response to Ukraine' terrorist attack:
Russian military retaliated against Kiev’s ‘terrorism’ – MOD - RT
The barrage, which included air-, sea-, and land-based missiles as well as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), was a response to recent “terrorist acts” carried out by Kiev, Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Friday.
Ukraine blew up railway bridges in Russia last week, derailing civilian and freight trains and killing at least seven and injuring over 120.
What we have so far seen as Russia's response to the attacks was only related to the terror attack which harmed civilians.
The retaliation for the attack on Russia's strategic nuclear assets has yet to come.
The U.S. knows this:
US Believes Russia Response To Ukraine Attack Not Over Yet: Officials - Reuters
The United States believes that Russian President Vladimir Putin's threatened retaliation against Ukraine over its drone attack last weekend has not happened yet in earnest and is likely to be a significant, multi-pronged strike, US officials told Reuters.
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The first official said Moscow's attack would be "asymmetrical," meaning that its approach and targeting would not mirror Ukraine's strike last weekend against Russian warplanes.Russia launched an intense missile and drone barrage at the Ukrainian capital Kyiv on Friday and Russia's Defense Ministry said the strike on military and military-related targets was in response to what it called Ukrainian "terrorist acts" against Russia. But the US officials believe the complete Russian response is yet to come.
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Putin told President Donald Trump in a telephone conversation on Wednesday that Moscow would have to respond to attack, Trump said in a social media post.Trump later told reporters that "it's probably not going to be pretty."
Trump claims that the U.S. had not known of the attack on Russia's strategic bombers. It is possible that Trump did not know about it. He may not have been informed to enable him to give a plausible denial. He may also simply lie about it. There is no doubt though in my mind that the U.S. was involved in it.
There is speculation that Russia will respond by attacking government buildings, especially those of the special services, in Kiev.
I doubt that this is a sufficient response for the attack on strategic nuclear assets. The Ukrainians would take a beating by such a strike but the U.S., which is undoubtedly behind the attack, would be left unharmed.
There would be nothing to deter the U.S., or others, to further chip away at Russia's nuclear retaliation capability by, for example, attacking - as Ignatius already announces - the bases of Russia's nuclear submarine fleets.
No. Any response for the attack on Russia's nuclear forces must include a very strong warning to the U.S. to not further walk down that path.
I do not know if the U.S. military still has some B-52 bombers on Diego Garcia. Destroying those would be adequate. Other potential targets are U.S. submarines and their bases. An attack on U.S. personnel that was involved in planing the attack would also be appropriate.
But all such operation could potentially lead to escalation. Especially while a hawkish Senate and blob is pushing against Trump's attempt to reestablish good relation with Russia.
Russia will need something different:
Let’s be honest: repeating slogans like “our response will be success on the battlefield” won’t cut it here. Ukraine’s leadership isn’t acting out of military logic, but emotional desperation. Their calculation is political. So Russia’s response must be political, too – emotionally resonant, unmistakably firm, and, above all, creative.This doesn’t mean rash escalation, but we can’t rely on the old playbook. Hitting the same military targets again and again achieves little. Striking Ukraine’s energy infrastructure? Done. Launching another missile as a ‘demonstration’? Predictable. Escalating to mass casualties? Unnecessary and, frankly, counterproductive.
So what’s left?
Innovation.
Russia must now think asymmetrically. That might mean a covert action so unexpected that it catches Ukraine completely off guard. Or it could involve striking symbolic targets that shift the psychological balance. The key is to remind Kiev – and its patrons – that nothing they do goes unanswered, and that the cost of provocation will always outweigh the benefit.
You are invited to brainstorm in the comments what kind of operation might those criteria.
One asymmetrical response I can think of would be an attack on British, not U.S. owned, strategic assets. Any hit on Britain would be well deserved anyway. A strike against British nuclear assets would be strong enough to be understood by the U.S. as a severe warning while it would be unlikely to lead to escalation. The Brits are unable to escalate on their own and the U.S. will be unwilling to go there.
The planning for any asymmetrical operation will take a while. It therefore do not expect the Russian response for the attack on its nuclear assets to occur with the next days.
Later this week there will be another meeting of Russia's security council. The revenge for the strike on Russia's strategic assets will certainly be part of its agenda.
Posted by b on June 9, 2025 at 15:38 UTC | Permalink
next page »Attack upon a NATO member is highly problematic because of Article 5.
But this relates to defense. As Britain is the terrorist aggressor and Russia is defending itself
does Article 5 still apply?
Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 9 2025 15:55 utc | 2
"carbomb budanov?"
Posted by: slothrop_tyrone
No. This little piece of shit deserves a slow, painful death. And so does Wassyl Maljuk.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 9 2025 15:59 utc | 3
You mean Russia has NO plans for strikes on US and/or British assets but must start from Zero? Much incompetence in long term planning. US has multiple plans Russian targets all moving and updated regularly. I root for US then.
Posted by: Surferket | Jun 9 2025 16:00 utc | 4
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Oreshnik to pay a visit to GCHQ, Cheltenham, after giving them three hours to evacuate. This will cause severe pain to both the UK and US intelligence communities without any direct attack on US assets.
Posted by: pasha | Jun 9 2025 16:02 utc | 6
Speculation: https://x.com/snirody/status/1929175618257904057 - Tyche (U.K.)
Posted by: SN | Jun 9 2025 16:03 utc | 7
Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 9 2025 15:55 utc | 2
Article 5 doesn't bind any other NATO country to respond militarily.
As for retribution targets, the British are in need of a good spanking. I've always enjoyed watching MI6 headquarters blowing up in "Skyfall" or perhaps some of their surface ships could become submarines. To avoid a lot of casualties, one or more ships in repair could suffer unexpected flooding...
Posted by: Victor Scarpia | Jun 9 2025 16:05 utc | 9
Turn out the lights. All of them. For good. Angry, penniless refugees pouring out of US backed and led former state of Ukraine into the arms of their dear friends in Europe will give them an occasion to bond in peaceful harmony and solidarity.
One of the nice things about the slow methodical approach is it provides plenty of time for western "leaders" to get all their feet planted deep in their mouths. One of them recently launched into a ridiculous and bombastic social media outburst calling the combatants children in a playground in need of a responsible adult to pull them apart.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 9 2025 16:06 utc | 10
what ab bullshit
this "Ukraine’s leadership isn’t acting out of military logic, but emotional desperation."
lol, you really think there is not strategy behind these attacks.how stupid and lowbrainish. these acts are well calculated
even the response on it . ever heard about game theory?
Posted by: big brother | Jun 9 2025 16:06 utc | 11
"I've said it before, I'll say it again: Oreshnik to pay a visit to GCHQ, Cheltenham, after giving them three hours to evacuate."
Posted by: pasha
They also should strike this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Headquarters_Allied_Powers_Europe
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 9 2025 16:07 utc | 12
btw, the stupid logic in this circle jerk forum: the attacks on the airfields are meaningless, unimportant but on
the others it needs a strong response from Pootin, hahah
Posted by: big brother | Jun 9 2025 16:10 utc | 13
Going with the plausible scenario that the US President was kept out of the loop by the Deep State vis a vis the intelligence provided for the Ukrainian proxy attack on airfields housing strategic bomber assets of the RF, it may be prudent not to discount the possibility of a similar exercise in which the US Deep State provide another proxy - in the case the UK - with the key codes to launch UK Trident missiles (currently controlled by the US) at some point in the escalatory process.
Posted by: Dave Hansell | Jun 9 2025 16:10 utc | 14
@2: Otto Pen
NATO Treaty Article 6 limits the geographic coverage of the Article 5 obligations:
"Article 6
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer."
So territories of NATO countries in the South Atlantic, Indian and Pacific Oceans are not covered by the treaty and should not trigger a valid Article 5 response.
Posted by: ltexpat | Jun 9 2025 16:10 utc | 15
The Brits have a number of covert operations bases abroad. Would be upsetting to destroy a few. To hit the Brits where it really hurts would mean going after the City of London's hidey holes around the globe - the places where the elites stash their wealth. That would cause rage of the incandescent variety.
Posted by: Pastrytart | Jun 9 2025 16:13 utc | 16
Posted by: Dave Hansell | Jun 9 2025 16:10 utc | 14
The UK doesn't have enough of an arsenal for anything more than a minor first exchange (and even more minor retaliation strike). UK needs those codes only in the event they wish to commit national suicide.
I think we can be sure that the US would sanely stay well out of any nuclear exchange between RF and either France or the UK.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 9 2025 16:16 utc | 17
Pastrytart | Jun 9 2025 16:13 utc | 16
*** To hit the Brits where it really hurts would mean going after the City of London's hidey holes around the globe - the places where the elites stash their wealth. That would cause rage of the incandescent variety. ***
Plus Whitehall the real headquarters of (permanent deep-state agenda) UK government, while parliament at Westminster amounts to little more than a facade stuffed with jobsworth troughers.
Posted by: Cynic | Jun 9 2025 16:23 utc | 18
NATO missile bases in Poland that are Nuke capable should be erased by Oreshniks. Escalation on anyone who retaliates. NATO or not.
Posted by: SO | Jun 9 2025 16:28 utc | 19
"I do not know if the U.S. military still has some B-52 bombers on Diego Garcia. Destroying those would be adequate. Other potential targets are U.S. submarines and their bases. An attack on U.S. personnel that was involved in planing the attack would also be appropriate.
But all such operation could potentially lead to escalation. Especially while a hawkish Senate and blob is pushing against Trump's attempt to reestablish good relation with Russia."
I'm glad to see resistance media is finally using their brains. Aside from VVP perennially having no interest in attacking American strategic assets, it's the kind of overreaction terrorism is designed to provoke. Budanov would get a medal for it.
If VVP dislikes my idea of bombing Israel and killing any number of dual nationals, then look to the military/ NGO segment of America. Any number of these people are exceptionally squishy targets, and their agonizing deaths would be well deserved. Massive explosions would exact a high price while reinforcing the current Administration working against internal globalists. Victoria Nuland, the Kagans- if Russia can't make examples out of the American Eichmanns, they have zero place talking about strategy against anyone.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 9 2025 16:28 utc | 20
It is a practical certainty that Iran's recent espionage haul contains ample targeting information for CIA operations working against Russia.
Striking those targets once they are exposed would make the intelligence doubly embarrassing.
Two (or more) birds with the same stone.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 9 2025 16:29 utc | 21
"I do not know if the U.S. military still has some B-52 bombers on Diego Garcia. Destroying those would be adequate. Other potential targets are U.S. submarines and their bases. An attack on U.S. personnel that was involved in planing the attack would also be appropriate.
But all such operation could potentially lead to escalation. Especially while a hawkish Senate and blob is pushing against Trump's attempt to reestablish good relation with Russia."
I'm glad to see resistance media is finally using their brains. Aside from VVP perennially having no interest in attacking American strategic assets, it's the kind of overreaction terrorism is designed to provoke. Budanov would get a medal for it.
If VVP dislikes my idea of bombing Israel and killing any number of dual nationals, then look to the military/ NGO segment of America. Any number of these people are exceptionally squishy targets, and their agonizing deaths would be well deserved. Massive explosions would exact a high price while reinforcing the current Administration working against internal globalists. Victoria Nuland, the Kagans- if Russia can't make examples out of the American Eichmanns, they have zero place talking about strategy against anyone.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 9 2025 16:29 utc | 22
carbomb budanov?
Posted by: slothrop_tyrone | Jun 9 2025 15:46 utc | 1
No. The point is to scare the pants off the puppet masters in the US, to effectively warn them off going after more Russian strategic nuclear assets. Those people couldn't care less about Budanov. He's expendable. Kill him, one of his deputies will take over before the funeral is over. Killing Budanov would only suggest that the Russians don't hold the US responsible for destroying the bombers, or that they are afraid to retaliate.
Posted by: Neptune | Jun 9 2025 16:31 utc | 23
Posted by: big brother | Jun 9 2025 16:10 utc | 13
"btw, the stupid logic in this circle jerk forum: the attacks on the airfields are meaningless, unimportant but on
the others it needs a strong response from Pootin, hahah"
They are unimportant to what's actually happening on the Ukrainian battlefield - it's like the Germans launching V2 rockets on London in 1945. However, the attack on the airfields were by NATO and only the delusional believe the this was the "plucky Ukrainians" striking at Russia. An open confrontation between NATO and Russia is getting closer and closer, so Russia needs to send NATO the appropriate response to emphasize that travelling down this road is a bad idea.
Posted by: Victor Scarpia | Jun 9 2025 16:32 utc | 24
Well, levelling the Rada and the presidential palace are necessary, as in the buildings must not have any wall left standing and be turned to smoking piles of rubbles.
Then, do the same with any known CIA buildings, hideouts and safehouses across Ukraine.
Then, do the same to any building across Ukraine which hosts any official from any NATO country - embassies excepted. As in not only obvious military assets and camps but every Euro/N American political and even financial asset.
Diego Garcia is way outside the area covered by NATO's art.5, so on the paper, it could be a safe hit, except that the US will want to retaliate and will drag Europe along for the ride. Launching one single hypersonic missile that will just miss by a hundred meters might be a warning - though whether US can get enough useful data on hits abilities that are best left unknown is not for me to know.
Hitting British or US targets inside the art.5 umbrella is a too risky move, imho - which is why I opted for levelling any enemy asset across Ukraine.
Giving some nice freebies to the Houthis to finally hit a US carrier the next time they show up would be a good beginning as well, imho. It's time to begin to downsize the US Navy for real, before the rest is turned into artificial reef near Taiwan.
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jun 9 2025 16:34 utc | 25
An asymmetric response against Britain? Well, Russia could always try giving the wreck of the SS Richard Montgomery a prod, just to see how stable ~1,000 tonnes of deteriorating WW2 explosives actually are.
It could cause a lot of ‘asymmetry’ on Admiralty charts...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 16:43 utc | 27
So many tasty menu items-!
It's like having a 5-ft tall Seafood Tower delivered to your table when you're starving, starving, starving.
Our colleague @too scents | Jun 9 2025 16:29 utc | 21 nails it for me: targeting the CIA hidey-holes, which Iran's espionage has uncovered, would be cold-heartedly great for the reasons @too scents mentions.
Devastating hits to Ukraine's powergrid should be constantly on the table---but I'd keep them on Rinse 'n Repeat mode as a response to the IEDs on the railways: early & often.
An observation: DJT's *audacious* takeover, via the National Guard, of the state of California's security services in Los Angeles has the 'feel' of the kind of domestic action the Deep State actors---whether Rothschild, Wall Street, The City or Israel---allow DJT to indulge to his heart's content.
He can deliver a can of whoop-ass at will on the state of California, and the aforementioned elements won't step in.
By contrast, notice how tentative & constrained is DJT's ability to engage coherently w/ Project Ukraine. Project Ukraine has a decidedly different character altogether.
It's instructive to note how *thick* Project Ukraine is w/ Major Players who are used to playing a certain way together.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 16:44 utc | 28
I like the idea of hitting Trident. Don't want to kill any UK servicemen. Perhaps sink one while at dock in Scotland. That would put the dock out of action as well.
Posted by: Darius Jedburg | Jun 9 2025 16:44 utc | 29
I'm with Clueless Joe and Jim C. US military assets illegally in Syria or helping Ansar Allah. Preferably with some plausible deniability thrown in. Would take Israel down a notch at the same time.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2025 16:45 utc | 30
In the week before negotiations Trump warned that "very bad things" would happen to Russia if they appeared not to progress with negotiations. So the most likely scenario is that is all the CIA told him, no operational details, since the current WH is not trusted.
Similarly, we were told that the drone-on-bomber operation was personally overseen by Zelensky. That has to be one of the biggest jokes of the war.
As for retaliation, Porton Down, home of the first Novichok Hoax, would be my first choice, but not a very easy target.
Seems that Russia needs to up it's ability to conduct foreign stealth operations. Perhaps alliances with some of the Central American gangs currently causing chaos in California. But rumor has it that they already have sponsors.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jun 9 2025 16:48 utc | 31
Central American gangs currently causing chaos in California. But rumor has it that they already have sponsors.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jun 9 2025 16:48 utc | 30
LMFAO yeah those sponsors are CIA and ICE. Assuming any gangs are even present.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2025 16:54 utc | 33
I like the idea of hitting Trident. Don't want to kill any UK servicemen. Perhaps sink one while at dock in Scotland. That would put the dock out of action as well.Posted by: Darius Jedburg | Jun 9 2025 16:44 utc | 28
Hitting anything in Scotland might ignite UK patriotism and discourage the very active separatist movement there. A divided UK and a divided US are all more important long term goals.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jun 9 2025 16:56 utc | 34
TASS's interview of Ryabkov is now available to read, "Ryabkov's TASS Interview", wherein he said that Russia has suspended the New Start Treaty, which is something I haven't yet heard/seen from any media, including today's Crooke/Napolitano chat where one would expect that to be visited. What was pointed out is the attack was aimed at all five Russian strategic bomber bases and provided Russia the opportunity to use nukes in response. At least some mention was made about the crazy sanctions bill pending in Congress, although what it entails wasn't touched upon, specifically the 500% tariffs to be applied to China, India, ASEAN, South Korea, Japan, and many other nations with China being the insanest given the reaction to Trump's 145% tariff threat. And of course, any agreement that might be obtained via the current Geneva negotiations would be destroyed. I was also surprised to discover that as of yesterday some key Chinese experts were unaware of that threat.
There's other important info conveyed by Ryabkov. IMO, what's clear is the losers are trying to pull some sort of victory from their loss, and they're very angry to have lost such that they aren't thinking straight, allowing their emotions to color what little judgement they retain.
In my view, the activities directed against Russia must be divided into three groups.
There is the regular (open) action on the battlefield (this also includes PR on the internet etc.).
There is terrorism.
There are covert military actions.
The reactions of a rational decision-maker must take into account which goal should and can be achieved.
If I am wrestling with a thief who has stolen from me, causing damage to my clothes, I do not interrupt the wrestling to destroy his clothes and break his glasses.
Can Russia stop terror by attacking Ukraine? Only control of Ukraine can do that. Attacks on Ukraine's infrastructure only make sense if it serves to achieve control.
Until then, Russia needs to prioritise the protection of objects.
The extent to which Russia will take "revenge" on third parties in the future is another matter.
Weak nerves would respond to a strategic threat with a preemptive strike.
It is important to withdraw Ukraine's cover for covert operations from third countries.
The Ukrainian leadership does not care about the country and its people, and neither does NATO. The leaders of the NATo states don't care about their people and country either. They would probably even welcome a Russian attack, in order to further promote an internal readiness for war.
The best way to meet the "West" is with money. Internet, banking systems, cloud services ... - there are certainly opportunities here, even if it's just UW cables.
Posted by: BlindSpot | Jun 9 2025 17:06 utc | 36
Russia's chance to hit the UK and exert strong deterrence was unfotunately missed when the Royal Navy deliberately sailed into Russian territorial waters, confident in the belief nothing would happen to them, not long before the SMO began:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Black_Sea_incident
Perhaps losing a ship would have given the UK even extra reason to support Ukraine, or perhaps it would have taught them the price of pushing Russia's red lines and think twice before pursuing terrorism against it. We will never know, but here we are today.. a dozen red lines later.
I agree w MoA that hitting the UK would have many strategic advantages, not only because it would free up Trump and the Pentagon (domestically) not to respond, but in doing so, it could also serve to further fracture NATO if no response comes, or give Putin a measure of NATO's current Article 5 resolve if it does, with it all happening in the context of a contained escalation, since Russia was not the first to strike, but was hitting back at NATO directly in response to an attack on its own strategic nuclear forces (no matter how hard Western media and politicians may try to say otherwise domestically..)
An interesting 'accident' and subsequent coverage already happened last night in Okinawa. RT was quite keen to report it first and on a red banner this AM, elaborating on the Japanese base's strategic role, wink wink, while most major Western outlets hid it quite low in their feed, if they covered it all:
https://www.rt.com/news/618823-us-base-japan-blast/
https://www.reuters.com/world/report-explosion-injury-us-kadena-air-base-japans-okinawa-2025-06-09/
Perhaps rather than one big provocative direct strike, which could open the path to further escalation, Russia is feeling the waters with actions focused on low verticality but higher orizontal escalation? Any more such 'accidents' on other US/NATO bases around the world could be a sign that is the case. It would also be quite consistent with what Russia has hinted at previosly, in terms of assisting enemies of the US around the world as a form of asymmmetric response, though China and North Korea may have been the ones helping out this time however..
The only question would be, would the US and UK get the hint, without actually receiving a strong slap in the face? I am of the opinion that as long as proxies and expendable military and intelligence forces are the targets, the cowardly politicians in charge will feel safe and continue choosing escalation. Russia needs not only to find an adequate and proporitonal response to avoid escalation, but it also needs to do it in a manner that actually puts fear in those trying to destroy it.
A limited use of nuclear weapons might be the only way to achieve that. They have a document that was shared with the world that outlines the price for those who undertake this type of attack. What is the point of having such a doctrine, if those whom it is written for believe they can ignore it? Taking out the entire Ukrainian leadership, with tactical nukes if need be, might be the signal Western leaders have not yet understood: that the same will happen to them long before Russia is ever defeated or balkanized. This and targeted assasinations of the US and UK puppet masters that are pushing for the destruction of Russia, endorsing the murders of its generals and journalists, from those hiding in the bunkers in Kiev, to the desktop warriors and think tank sociopaths feeding on the blood of poor souls sent to the front, they should all need to be fearing for their lives.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 9 2025 17:07 utc | 37
The best response would be to order a full (or fuller) mobilization in preparation to escalate the offensive and take as much Ukraine territory as fast as possible. Anything against NATO would be marketed as Russian aggression to justify martial law and additional military spending in the US and Europe.
Posted by: ts | Jun 9 2025 17:07 utc | 38
It really shouldn’t be that difficult to offer a clear response: stop the bloodshed in Gaza. But for some reason, VVP seems to have a bizarre soft spot for the bloodthirsty Netanyahu. Maybe John Helmer could explain it. Meanwhile, the entire deep state machine is locked into its eternal chant of war, war, war—because everything is interconnected.
A failing U.S. economy demands distraction. War becomes the default tool to divert public attention from domestic decay while keeping the military-industrial complex on life support. The Zionists and neocons have no intention of ending the slaughter in Gaza. They want a war with Iran, continued provocations against Russia—slowly escalating inch by inch—and and this solves the rising china problem too. Dont Russians get it!
Perpetual war is their answer to everything: a way to prolong the life of the USD ponzi scheme for a few more decades. And somehow, despite Israel not being a NATO member, VVP won’t challenge them directly. Which makes one wonder—if Russia keeps absorbing attack after attack without a decisive response then Russia deserves to be broken apart...
Posted by: Waqas | Jun 9 2025 17:09 utc | 39
The Russian response should be to gear-up to build more planes and look for means to shore-up security.
They can feel lucky for having gotten by as lightly as they did.
The politicians find it embarrassing and they should.
The part about targeting the civilian train is really sleazy and maybe Ukraine shot itself in the foot there.
Posted by: jared | Jun 9 2025 17:10 utc | 40
How about arming the Houthis to sink an aircraft carrier?
Posted by: Itsmeagain | Jun 9 2025 17:12 utc | 41
Thanks b
give Israel's enemies a few armed oreshniks and intelligence
Posted by: ld | Jun 9 2025 17:14 utc | 42
One asymmetrical response I can think of would be an attack on British, not U.S. owned, strategic assets. Any hit on Britain would be well deserved anyway. A strike against British nuclear assets would be strong enough to be understood by the U.S. as a severe warning while it would be unlikely to lead to escalation. The Brits are unable to escalate on their own and the U.S. will be unwilling to go there.
Exactly. And this is why the British submarine base in Clyde would make an excellent target, if the hazelnut can cripple the operations there without going nuclear (or having to sink a sub on patrol). Can it? No idea, but if gets at Yuzhmash, then I'd say ... no really, I don't know. What do you think?
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 9 2025 17:15 utc | 43
In order for the Russian government to act and give a message that keaves no room for misunderstanding or disregarding its determination to defend national sovereignty on the highest level, it is absolutely necessary to possess the political will for such a course of action. This has proven to be an insourmountable problem, as the country is cripled by its inability to reject completely the fetters of Yeltsin's legacy.
Up to now, there have been numerous provocations of the most extreme form and they have been "answered" by bluffs, chestbeating and moralistic highstanding. None of that has served anything other than to embolden the leadership of the Anglo-American empire to engage in what has now become an existential threat to Russia.
Therefore, it is imperative for the country to finally end its perverse romance with Yeltsinism, exemplified by the existence of a Boris Yeltsin Institute ub Ekaterinburg, get its ac together by ceasing to crave acceptance by neo-Hitlerite racist Russophobes and confront the enemy.
As many have correctly pointed, the British regime must be made an example of. Further, it is an absolute necessity for Russia to present this conflict in global terma and that means to galvanize support among the Global South against the globalist regime. That, of course, requires the rejection of the Yeltsinite worldview that Russia finds so difficult to reject.
Posted by: Constantine | Jun 9 2025 17:15 utc | 44
Brainstorming some more locations:
St. Helier
St. Peter Port
Douglas
Ronaldsway
Cutting off the offshore tax-havens from access to the British mainland might give the moneychangers a message.
Reading Article 6 of the North Atlantic Treaty doesn’t make it entirely clear that the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands come under the auspices of the treaty. Article 6 talks about “jurisdictions” but, as far as I can tell, the offshore entities are their own jurisdictions and don’t come under British jurisdiction.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 17:16 utc | 45
Asymmetric means Russia destroys something of equal importance to USUKIS anywhere else on the planet.
I suggest an Oreshnik on unit 8200 Tel Aviv or on the Knesset with Nutter's cabinet in tow.
Putin said he needs to destroy the Jewish Nazis before he can destroy the Ukrainian ones. Do it ! It needs doing anyway.
Posted by: Giyane | Jun 9 2025 17:17 utc | 46
Re Russian response against Americans. Trumps comment "Putin has gone crazy".
That comment came shortly after the first round of missile and drone strike that hit drone assembly sites. A big one was the Antonov complex in Kiev.
I have seen articles in the MSM about the american military learning about drones from the Ukrainians with Americans supposedly there as observers.
I seen two Ukraine promos on their 'drone manufacturing. Both of these used components brand named Shrike. There are plenty of generic copies but the clearly carried the brand name.
It is an American drone designed for the pentago prior to to start of this current stage of the conflict in 2022 ud undergone constant improvements since them. The Americans most likely had some of their top drone specialists in those drone assembly sites when The Russians destroyed them.
Trump was cranky because he had not been notified in advance and so some of the pentagons drone specialists were destroyed along with the Ukraine drone plants.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 17:18 utc | 47
Lol. Lmao, even. B specifically asks for asymmetrical thinking and you have some fools talking about nukes and attacking aircraft carriers.
President Putin is on track to do what Stalin never could, crack apart German industry without so much as a bomb on German soil. There are any number of ways to make this much worse for Europe, such as severing any Russian energy transfers. I have no doubt Presidents Trump and Putin have a rather nice system already planned out. Witkoff didn't travel to Russia for twelve hours of history lessons with VVP.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 9 2025 17:20 utc | 48
Look, the use of drones from inside truck mounted shipping containers gives a lot of ideas.
Use shipping container on a cargo vessel, launch them and destroy a UK nuclear submarine, or a bunch of B-52 on Diego Garcia.
Hit British coastal gas/LNG facilities on its coast with same method.
Hit British bound tankers or cargo ships, sink valuable fuel and/or push British insurance costs up.
Hit British base on Cyprus, destroy bombers and fighters and their recon air craft.
Etc. But best option is not necessarily military targets, go after British and/or French economic interests, such as tankers, or fund foreign governments to oust them from their mineral and mine assets (already done to large extent in central and western Africa).
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 17:20 utc | 49
Send a seadrone into Clyde and claim it was Ukraine, lol.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 9 2025 17:21 utc | 50
If VVP dislikes my idea of bombing Israel and killing any number of dual nationals, then look to the military/ NGO segment of America. Any number of these people are exceptionally squishy targets, and their agonizing deaths would be well deserved. Massive explosions would exact a high price while reinforcing the current Administration working against internal globalists. Victoria Nuland, the Kagans- if Russia can't make examples out of the American Eichmanns, they have zero place talking about strategy against anyone.Posted by: They Call Me Mister | 20
+1
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 9 2025 17:25 utc | 51
Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 9 2025 15:55 utc | 2
No it doesn’t apply as the UK would be the aggressor. Yet, we know that the UK and US regularly abrogate treaties all the time when it suits them . So what will stop all the West supporting a UK or US aggressor? No-one yet, that is who .
Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 9 2025 16:03 utc | 8
Russia will not move on Odessa in the current circumstances , if at all. Why not ? Odessa has even more and worse , underground catacombs than Mariopol ever did. These are well -documented and go on for kilometres . Enormous. So until the Russians choose to take a lot more casualties than they are currently used to , it won’t be happening. The former likely await for an uprising by the native Odessans themselves. I am surprised it hasn’t happened yet ; many countries had uprisings in Europe -both before and during WWII -against any foreign aggressors but I assume Odessa is still living too comfortable a life at the moment ie Phoney War.
Either way, I am one of those who think it imperative Odessa comes under Russian control. Any less means Russia is extremely vulnerable in the the mid and long term.
Posted by: Mustee | Jun 9 2025 17:29 utc | 52
Trump claims that the U.S. had not known of the attack on Russia's strategic bombers. It is possible that Trump did not know about it. He may not have been informed to enable him to give a plausible denial. He may also simply lie about it. There is no doubt though in my mind that the U.S. was involved in it.
This is much more sensible than that post about the Deep State nonsense, which is an alibi for Trump, either his failure to carry out proclaimed policies or to justify attacks on even the feeble remnants of bourgeois democracy.
As to advising the Russians on military strategy? Thinking outside the box? Retreat from the indefensible outposts, like Tartus and Transnistria and maybe even Kaliningrad. Would anything kill NATO faster than a row between Poland, Lithuania, Germany and the US over who seizes East Prussia? Against that, nothing is as demoralizing as surrender. Strengthen the domestic front by instituting a full war economy, maybe inviting the KPRF into the government. Issue a nuclear disarmament appeal. Ask Lukashenko to send a plenipotentiary to the Russian security council, or even sit on it himself. But hard as it may be, do not escalate with an attack on anybody's nuclear forces. But instead, open as massive a trade program with DPRK, designed to truly break the economic siege as much as possible, even if it means some friction with PRC, which as near as I can tell still partially enforces it.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 9 2025 17:30 utc | 53
The US is using Ukraine as a means to cloak its actual agenda:
Neutralisation of the Strategic defenses of the Russian federation (Nuclear Triad).
Therefore one can conclude that all appearances of bringing the conflict to an end are a smokescreen:
To this end the American war on Russia will not end until:
1. Russia completely eviscerates Ukranian military power (conventional and assymetric)
2. Inflicts such pain on NATO that they cannot sustain the war in Ukraine.
Attacks on Russia's nuclear triad will continue in the meantime. I predict:
1. The first attempts to locate and then destroy Russian nuclear missile silos within a year.
2. The first attempts to locate and then destroy Russian nuclear submarines within two years.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 9 2025 17:30 utc | 54
Suitable targets for Russian response to the extremely reckless bombing of Russian strategic airbase might include:
a. re: the U.S. and EU: destroy an LNG tanker destined to EU port from U.S.. Give the crew a warning (an hour, help get the crew off) and then sink it with a missile. Addresses U.S. and E.U in a tit-for-tat cosmic karma event for Nord Stream. Issue warning: Over the next 60 days, Russia will take out one LNG-destined-to-EU ship for every plane struck @ our strategic airbase. Henceforward, any other strategic nuke asset that's struck will come right out of your energy imports hide. Lookin' at you, Menz.
b. Now for UK. "Next attack on any Russian target via missiles or drones using tech, or support from UK results in missile on Fin District (not nuke; Oreshnik) with 24 hours notice to evacuate. Same for fin facilities in Caymans and other fin hidey-holes. That's _your_ "deep state" / covert money flow, now we Russians are going to apply some sanctions to cut it off."
c. Next for Israel. Next attack on Russian soil from your vassals in the U.S., UK, and in Ukraine results in major shipments of unstoppable missiles to the Yemenis, either via Iran or direct-ship from Russia, with the appropriate tech-transfer teams. Targets: Israel's energy import facilities. You Zionists/Rule-the-World psychotics control the U.S., UK and Ukraine, and you think you can pull those strings with impunity, and not get punched back because "there's so many Russian citizens who are Jewish".
My dear Israel: You have stuck your finger in the light socket, and here's the shock: "You are now accountable".
==== On to the Politics ...
Russia says to the World: "The West has over-played their hand, they're endangering the entire planet, and we're putting a stop to it right here and now".
Everyone in the Rest of the World will rejoice. "The wicked witch of the West is Dead!!"
And note the surgical accuracy of these responses: it hits everyone that's responsible, does it with (quite possibly) no loss of civilian life, cuts off the Rule-the-World cabal's fin resources (quid-pro-quo number 1) and also curtails U.S. access to EU gas market (quid pro quo number 2).
The PR opportunities are legion.
===== Now let's talk consequences.
The West will attack Russian shipping in retaliation. Who wins that escalation? Russia is nearly self sufficient. Is UK, EU, Israel or even U.S.? If the Russian "shadow fleet" is temporarily side-lined, what happens to world energy prices?
If the flow of goods from (just) China to U.S. is temporarily suspended, how's that work for the U.S.? And China may elect to do just that, voluntarily, in support of Russia. That's a _lot_ cheaper than to conduct a hot war with the U.S. ... which seems to be where things are heading, right?
We just witnessed the U.S. tariffs climb-down, and it wasn't a "voluntary" climb-down. It was mandatory because the U.S. economy will shrink a lot (for a few years) if trade with Asia is curtailed.
===== Note well:
This message is coming from a U.S. citizen whose country is being actively dismembered and plundered by these Rule the World crazies. Many people here in the U.S. know what is happening; we U.S. citizens are just as captive, just as victimized as everyone else, including the Ukrainian people, the Palestinians, the rank and file of EU nations, and so forth.
These targets I set out above are the assets of the Rule the World cabal. They are the ones responsible for this mess _we are all in_.
I am a patriot for my country and for my people ... just like you are.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 9 2025 17:32 utc | 55
@Clueless Joe | Mon, 09 Jun 2025 16:34:00 GMT | 24
Giving some nice freebies to the Houthis to finally hit a US carrier the next time they show up would be a good beginning as well, imho.
I'd suggest proliferation of technology via Iran. And if you missed it, USS Eisenhower ended up in the drydock after the last round, repairs will take years.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 9 2025 17:33 utc | 56
well the russians always said they would hit the decision making centers, so why not try that? personally, I think a joint attack by the global south on the western financial system would be a better idea. sell bonds. sell the dollar. use gold for international settlements. but its probably too soon for that, that will be the endgame final move that will silence the west for the next hundred years.
if the russians have proof that the cia was behind it, they should make that public, humiliate trump, so that he will have no choice but to try to get control of the three letter agencies. but the russian wont do media stunts.
isnt a physical attack like an oreshnik on the mi6 building, just the kind of provocation the warmongers are looking for? its a risky move, but so was the attack on the russian nuclear fleet. so maybe the time has come to mark the red line more clearly, which at some point is less of a risk than doing nothing.
Posted by: calixtus | Jun 9 2025 17:34 utc | 57
Establish a no-fly zone over Occupied Palestine
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 9 2025 17:39 utc | 58
@Rubiconned | Mon, 09 Jun 2025 17:07:00 GMT | 36
Perhaps rather than one big provocative direct strike, which could open the path to further escalation, Russia is feeling the waters with actions focused on low verticality but higher orizontal escalation?
Okinawa. Does Russia have a submarine-launched air drone? I'll bet yes.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 9 2025 17:40 utc | 59
Yes an attack on the Brits - there are quite a few RAF bases in England that could be targets - and although its a bit close to home (I live 30 miles from it) Faslane naval base in Scotland is home to English/Yankee nukes and subs, I'd hope that an attack on Faslane, would galvanise Scots - to ditch John Bull and his union for good.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 9 2025 17:42 utc | 60
Posted by: Constantine | Jun 9 2025 17:15 utc | 43
Totally agree. Closing the Yeltsin Center would be the most effective, the most appropriate and the most asymmetric response. Brilliant.
Posted by: hopehely | Jun 9 2025 17:48 utc | 61
EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse): https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03/30/in-a-nuclear-war-russia-will-win-without-killing-a-single-person-hitchens
Posted by: Shakesvshav | Jun 9 2025 17:55 utc | 62
@calixtus | Mon, 09 Jun 2025 17:34:00 GMT | 56
if the russians have proof that the cia was behind it, they should make that public, humiliate trump, so that he will have no choice but to try to get control of the three letter agencies.
Great idea. As asymmetric as it gets, and perfectly legal/civil. But it also touches on the very long list of backroom deals about earlier operations from all sides, and quite possibly a secret international understanding that others' false flags be uncalled officially - no one ever seems to do it.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 9 2025 17:55 utc | 63
Like all ideology built around conspiracy theories, this web site is incapable of recognizing that Ukraine has agency in this struggle.
The Russian general staff are not controlled by “deep state” conspiracy theorists. They understand the risk escalation brings, and they also understand their own limitations.
Posted by: Zargo | Jun 9 2025 17:55 utc | 64
If Russia is going to hit a UK or NATO HQ, why give notice? The senior officers and spoke will suddenly remember they have a luncheon to attend, leaving behind the underlings as the propaganda machine needs bodies to pull from the wreckage. Nope, no warnings if you are going to go that route.
Posted by: Fred777 | Jun 9 2025 17:55 utc | 65
How to respond is a very complicated question for Russia as the Ryabkov interview illuminates. Clearly, the Deep State motivation when the operation to capitalize on the New Start Treaty's provisions was approved during Biden's term, the aim appears to have been to provoke a knee-jerk reaction by Russia since all five bases were targeted, and the timing was contemporaneous with Russia's modification of its nuclear doctrine. IMO, the Deep State saw the only way it could pull victory from the jaws of defeat was to escalate to nuclear war. Biden, Harris and others were kept out of the loop because they would be against such a plan--recall Biden at the beginning of his term agreed with most of the other nuclear powers that a nuclear war must not occur. And given the Deep State's clear lack of understanding Russian capabilities--that it would very likely win a nuclear war--they would start one based on the fallacy of American abilities with its ancient nuclear capabilities and utter lack of missile defense. My question: Does Russia see the above as correct? If so, then Russia's main enemy is the International Deep State, for it isn't just American. How then to cripple that Deep State?
My choice is to destroy all offshore tax havens, obliterating the physical buildings and the records they hold, and thus destroying their ill-gotten booty accumulated over many decades. Or initiate an offensive of "wet jobs" against all Deep State members. Both would be best. In other words, go all the way to the top of the ladder to those who own the operation, not merely the servants who did the job.
@ Republicofscotland | Jun 9 2025 17:42 utc | 59
I wouldn’t go for direct strikes on British military bases, that isn’t asymmetric it’s escalation.
A Kalibr or two arriving in the ferry ports of St. Helier, St. Peter Port and Douglas would completely cripple life on those islands, and as noted earlier, their NATO status is not cut and dried.
Or the Richard Montgomery could provide plausible deniability for Russia, after all it has been known to be unstable for many years.
“Oh dear, did it suddenly detonate? Nothing to do with us guv, it must have just reached a critical point in its deterioration... ”
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 17:56 utc | 67
If VVP dislikes my idea of bombing Israel and killing any number of dual nationals, then look to the military/ NGO segment of America. Any number of these people are exceptionally squishy targets, and their agonizing deaths would be well deserved. Massive explosions would exact a high price while reinforcing the current Administration working against internal globalists. Victoria Nuland, the Kagans- if Russia can't make examples out of the American Eichmanns, they have zero place talking about strategy against anyone.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 9 2025 16:28 utc | 20
I think this is a great idea. If Putin is what we hope he is ("hope", not "believe"), his #1 goal should be to not destroy the human race, #2 is to preserve Russia. I know he's said that a world without Russia is not worth keeping, but if he's great, I don't believe him. Nuclear deterrence is not real; there is NEVER a justification to use weapons of mass destruction on innocent civilians - it's like murdering 100 Palestinians to kill 1 Hamas. This is why Oreshnik deserves the Nobel Peace prize as the most important contribution to peace since the advent of nuclear weapons: it's a huge leap in the targeted, destructive power of non-WMD, and hopefully will lead to humanity's eventual condemnation of WMD.
Going terrorist on the US Empire's shadow government is a great idea: a) Since it's a shadow government, the propagandists can't make a WW3-big deal out of the assassination of unofficial oligarchs and their representatives; b) these people deserve it; c) these people have been shielded from the bromide "when you play the game of thrones, you win or die"; and d) it's likely to be successful because these gangsters have gotten used to not being under threat.
Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 9 2025 17:58 utc | 69
what should russia/brics do? be dirty like 'the west'- including terrorism?
meh....
how bout brics currency backed by real things.
Posted by: Hodes | Jun 9 2025 17:58 utc | 70
@karlof1 | Mon, 09 Jun 2025 17:56:00 GMT | 65
If so, then Russia's main enemy is the International Deep State, for it isn't just American. How then to cripple that Deep State?
Another great angle. Perhaps drive a wedge between the DS and western populations ... but how?
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 9 2025 17:59 utc | 71
#37
"The best response would be to order a full (or fuller) mobilization in preparation to escalate the offensive and take as much Ukraine territory as fast as possible. Anything against NATO would be marketed as Russian aggression to justify martial law and additional military spending in the US and Europe."
Yes.
Escalating the level is what NATO wants, as it has no chance of success on conventionnal fighting. As painful as it might be for Russia, one has to use its main strength which is not strategic escalation.
Having China sending a strong warning to the West, as well as having the Houtis destroying an aircraft carrier might help.
Posted by: Ababush | Jun 9 2025 18:00 utc | 72
As some have said the US/UK is using the Neo-Nazi's in Ukraine to further their (UK/US agenda) - its not about Ukraine its about weakening Russia at every turn - use the Neo-Nazi's to attack targets that the Yanks and Brits want attacked - then sit back and watch Russia attack Ukraine, its a win, win situation for the Yanks and Brits, they've used the Neo-Nazi's to achieve a goal - without asset or personnel loss, and so what if the same Neo-Nazi's are killed in Russian retaliatory strikes.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 9 2025 18:03 utc | 73
Q: Where is the UK most vulnerable at the moment?
A: The economy is in sh1te. 10yr 4.63
Q: OK So how might one make its economy sh1ter - really sh1ter - like diarrhea sh1ter -.... an orezhnik type swift enema sending its 10yr to 7.00+ sh1ter?
A: I've got it - I have an asymmetrical response 00-7
Q: So what is it?
A: Ahhh - that would be telling.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 9 2025 18:09 utc | 74
Hit a few satellites. Seems the obvious choice. Satellites dont have people in them. Hard to make emotional coverage about down bits of metal, and smashed Musk assets in particular would play well in the current media cycle. Taking bets on this being part of it.
Also happens to take down part of the key Western assistance that enabled such fuckery.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 9 2025 18:09 utc | 75
Perhaps drive a wedge between the DS and western populations ... but how?
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 9 2025 17:59 utc | 70
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Fluoridated water.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 9 2025 18:09 utc | 76
the so called deep state seems weak now - they send their political ppl to propose and force in more and more absurd stuff.
be it the taxes, LGBTWhatever, climate laws, migration or censorship. (maybe forgot a wall of text - of more examples)
they do nothing for us and want more more more - ignoring own laws.
let ppl eat cake?
Posted by: Hodes | Jun 9 2025 18:10 utc | 77
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang (66).
I was thinking along the lines of Iran's strike on Israel, it was so huge, and well co-ordinated and most of all unexpected - that a similar strike might give the Brits at least second thoughts on (A)Planning a strike - for their own ends in Russia - using Ukrainian forces again, and (B) Put-off the Brits from a counter strike on Russia, knowing that it would lead to a bigger strike from Russia - British military forces are puny - even their nuclear subs are outdated and vulnerable - and for me Article 5 of Nato isn't worth the paper its printed on - I doubt Brussels let alone Trump - would rush to counter strike a Russian strike on the Brits - who appear to have a real hatred of Russia.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 9 2025 18:11 utc | 78
@70 Persiflo
Putin and Russia has already tried. They used the "Nazi" smear on the Ukrops to no avail in the west and with good, albeit insufficient in my book for them to mantle that moniker, reasoning behind it.
But Russia hates sodomites! And won't allow that kind of propaganda to infect their mainstream vice channels (but the west busily overlooks the abortion and pornography problems in Russia, both sacred rites in the west).
The bottom line is that the western mind is too FUBAR'd to properly understand that Russia is more like the west than they can possibly imagine. But TPTB know how to harness the scapegoat mechanism, especially when it comes to an evil twin.
The scapegoat mechanism is within Rene Girard's studies in anthropology and culture. His mimetic theory states that human desire can be represented as a triangle in that one person comes to possess something (object) that another person finds desirable and so the battle begins.
The only thing is, shit gets real when one person in the triadic structure bucks the trend and says, "I actually don't want that thing." This drives the other person into an insane, soul-searching episode where his entire identity devolves into a moment of crisis.
Russia has not taken the escalation bait the way the west needs it to. Russia is saying to the west, "Yeah, your girlfriend is good looking, I guess, but I am not interested."
And the west is gesticulating like a low-land gorilla and saying, "Fuck my girlfriend, Russia!"
...
Because Russia is aloof, because Russia values its heritage, because Russia refuses to play the western game, we hate them for it because our identity is thus threatened if they do not desire what we have. If you look at the west right now, you see a big problem with the notion of identity.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 9 2025 18:15 utc | 79
The main terrorist weapon is the nazi regime in Kiev.
Russian Federation first response was to add to the view the Nazi regime is illegitimate the conviction they a terrorist Nazis and no talking to terrorists.
This in a few words defeats Trump malarky about peace through a third Minsk ceasefire scam.
The resolve to finish off the Nazis and not talk to terrorists is a strategy, necessary in long run.
Other operations should support destruction of the Nazi martial law regime.
Specific to US Russia could provide target assist to DPRK on U.S. assets in the first island chain around Taiwan.
Why not use a proxy?
Posted by: paddy | Jun 9 2025 18:16 utc | 80
Perfidios albion plays the uncouth inbred hillbillies of the breakaway colony like a fiddle. It's an old hand at the game. Putin's few 'minutes' of history lesson to Carlson. The City of London is somewhat similar regarding history and longevity.
Russia's response? As Bhadrakumar wrote some time back, Putin is a sophisticated thinker. On top of that, Russian intel is exceptionally good and will also be used in deciding targets and response. Information that is not in the public domain. Russia more often than not does the completely unexpected.
A mugs game to try and pick the Russian response to strikes on its strategic nuclear aviation. There was also a strike some months ago that damaged a strategic early warning radar.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 18:20 utc | 81
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 9 2025 18:09 utc | 74
just had the same idea, hitting the satelites seems adequat and obvious.
Posted by: calixtus | Jun 9 2025 18:21 utc | 82
Let's start
Europe must be punished, US ignored after hybrid war between West, Russia — Medvedev
And it should be deniable and impactful in case things go sideways
The loss of one of uk's few strategic nuclear subs at sea.
Tragic accident, need help recovering bodies and nukes?
Won't brag if you don't complain
But us must be ignored as a country, not totally, black ops are fair game.
At a minimum, a CIA antenna office, with known connections with ukraine secret services must be obliterated, working hours, all lives lost.
Once again, won't brag if you don't complain
Clean and escalation manageable
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 18:23 utc | 83
@ Republicofscotland | Jun 9 2025 18:11 utc | 77
OK, I get where you’re coming from. The thing is, I’m not sure that RAF bases, particularly, can be attacked without causing US personnel casualties.
That’s where I see escalation; to my thinking, an asymmetric response avoids direct US military casualties, taking the pressure off any Article 5 discussions. An asymmetric response, however, should be disruptive and dislocational, unexpected in such a way as to cause confusion and division in any Western approach to a further response.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 18:23 utc | 84
All these trolls in here begging for nuclear war. Do they think they'll be immune to the carnage? Or are they merely self-loathing fools without the courage of their own convictions?
Posted by: The Owl | Jun 9 2025 18:25 utc | 85
still remember the times of 'made in japan' - then japan got too fat for club of rome or so.
move production to china they said - it will be fun, they said. (and kept on partying because of massive profits)
now china is too big - and taiwan another problem.
an important place now. they do produce so much quality oO.
forget fancy biking parts or affordable semiconductor stuff when war hits there.
ferengi rule #35 may apply: Peace is good for business :)
Posted by: Hodes | Jun 9 2025 18:29 utc | 86
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 16:43 utc | 26
*** An asymmetric response against Britain? Well, Russia could always try giving the wreck of the SS Richard Montgomery a prod, just to see how stable ~1,000 tonnes of deteriorating WW2 explosives actually are.
It could cause a lot of ‘asymmetry’ on Admiralty charts...***
Excellent idea
.... could even attribute it to five Galicians in a rowing-boat guided by the US airforce.
Posted by: Cynic | Jun 9 2025 18:31 utc | 87
My choice is to destroy all offshore tax havens, obliterating the physical buildings and the records they hold, and thus destroying their ill-gotten booty accumulated over many decades.Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 9 2025 17:56 utc | 65
Everything is electronic now, and backed up on remote servers. Also, there is a good chance that Russian ill-gotten booty is part of the mix.
An "accident" at one or more of Zelensky and Company's foreign properties might get their attention.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jun 9 2025 18:35 utc | 88
Here's what Ron Unz has suggested on his own website:
quote...
"I do think that Putin probably needs to take a strong public response to this attack on his nuclear triad, especially because America must almost certainly have been involved, probably along with MI-6. Plus the Germans are now talking about providing the Ukrainians with the full deep-strike version of their missiles.
My own suggestion for the last year or so has been that Russia give plenty of advance warning, then use hypersonics to destroy the NATO HQ.
https://www.unz.com/runz/should-vladimir-putin-call-his-shot-on-a-nato-brushback-pitch/
Basically, the Russians would say something like “NATO has obviously now become a co-belligerent and has been involved in missile strikes deep into Russian territory. Therefore, this Sunday at 12:00 noon we will use our hypersonic missiles to destroy the NATO HQ as a serious warning measure. We’re giving you plenty of advance warning to evacuate all your personnel and nearby civilians and also ring the HQ with all your best anti-missile defense systems just to prove that they’re totally useless against our hypersonics.”
Personally, I think that would be a better and more effective approach than hitting a NATO airbase or anything in Poland or Germany."
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Posted by: Mark Mosby | Jun 9 2025 18:36 utc | 89
To really go asymmetrical, go after Wall Street.
Mobilize an army of Luigi Mangiones. Hire professionals. Imagine if the CEOs of Microsoft, NVIDIA, Meta, GM and other Fortune 500 companies were all murdered execution-style on the same day.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 9 2025 18:36 utc | 90
Attack upon a NATO member is highly problematic because of Article 5.
But this relates to defense. As Britain is the terrorist aggressor and Russia is defending itself
does Article 5 still apply?
Posted by: Otto Penn | Jun 9 2025 15:55 utc | 2
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You're still thinking in terms of rules and laws.
Who follows the law about Palestine?
Does Ukraine follow the law about conscription?
In an existential battle, there are no style points for playing with a hand tied behind one's back. There is death or survival.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 9 2025 18:37 utc | 91
As a more general line of thinking, I think Russia will look at a response within Ukraine, retaining the fig leaf of a proxy war. First use of the Taurus will be different and the figleaf is dropped.
The American Barracuda missile range, I am not sure about as that is not in use in the American military to date or in production for the military as far as I am aware. It is American technology and the modular components will no doubt be manufactured in America or perhaps off shored by the American company. Some reports from Ukraine that the Barracuda has seen initial use.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 18:37 utc | 92
I'm with Clueless Joe and Jim C. US military assets illegally in Syria or helping Ansar Allah. Preferably with some plausible deniability thrown in. Would take Israel down a notch at the same time.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2025 16:45 utc | 29
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I, too, like this idea.
It would be bigly asymmetrical, in that analysts and those who game out this s--- would have to do some *thinking* to figure out the connection.
Ultimately anything that hurts the Neocons driving the Ukraine agenda is on the table, seems to me. And hitting the Zionists in Palestine might make a few heads in DC explode. Yet what could they say? The Zionists are conducting an open genocide.
As Alistair Crooke writes today at SCF, the major "reveal" of the recent attacks on Russia is that Trump is not in control of US foreign policy.
If the Russians help Ansar Allah deliver pain to the Zionists in Palestine, the "reveal" would be to identify, to those who can do the political calculus and get the correct answer, who is in fact in control: Zionists (in the USA and in Tel Aviv) are driving both conflicts.
Assuming that "Russia House" is the faction in the CIA helping the Ukes with these attacks, who controls "Russia House"?
Maybe descendants of Ukrainian and Russian Jews who hate Russia (such as Nuland and Blinken and the Vinman bros)?
I have thought from the get-go that foreign policy would wreck Trump's presidency and lame his domestic agenda.
Pretty soon he is going to have to choose between America First or Zionists First.
Russia can help him make the right decision by including Palestine in the universe of retribution for the Ukies-Russia House's stunts.
At the same time I also really like the idea of punishing the Brits bigly. I like any action that reveals that Russia knows who is behind the stunts. Of course the Brits are also huge dual perps in both Ukraine and Palestine, as that fool Badenoch explained so clearly, in addition to their meddling in Ukraine. So the Diego Garcia option might also send a dual message to the Dual Deep States of USUK.
Posted by: Jane | Jun 9 2025 18:38 utc | 93
@ Cynic | Jun 9 2025 18:31 utc | 86
Heh, Seymour Hersh will be all over it, paid subscribers only, though.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 18:40 utc | 94
of course the most sadistic one, given current dependence of europe on us oil might be just a ship sinking at the entrance, or the 200 meter bridge falling and closing the Port of Corpus Christi , texas...
but that one might be too much for the us to swallow ...
I assume, like the harbor of haifa for israel, if it gets there it's full war... so RF would not do it (though mi6 might as a false flag and boost for brent oil)
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 18:40 utc | 95
persiflo | Jun 9 2025 17:59 utc | 70--
That sort of wedge is already being driven by DS actions, although the general publics involved may not see them as DS actions but those of their own politicos such as Merz. What's profound about DS actors is their "invisibility" to most of the public but not to intelligence services. IMO, the Cold War as it continues is a creature of their creation ideologically then economically and is now their life's blood now that global resistance has mounted and become beyond their ability to control.
Russia's response must be linked to its strategy, to advance it. Ryabkov again reiterated that strategy as halting NATO expansion and establishing a viable security structure for Russia along with eliminating Euronazis that aren't just in Ukraine, since the SMO is now an ATO going beyond Ukrainian borders. It could be argued that DS actors are terrorists and terrorist facilitators, which gives a legal justification for their elimination. IMO, SCO and CSTO members will also be asked to join Russian efforts since SCO and CSTO have explicit anti-terrorist purposes, although such invitations are likely to be made privately.
Russian MoD, 01:22 pm today:
"Last night, the Russian Armed Forces launched a massive high-precision strike by long-range air-to-surface weapons on one of the AFU tactical aviation airfields near Dubno in Rovno region. The attack was one of the retaliatory strikes in response to the terrorist attacks conducted by the Kiev regime on Russian military airfields."
(boldface mine)
Terrorist attacks against a military target. Really, Putin?
Posted by: bjd | Jun 9 2025 18:41 utc | 97
The drone attack on the Russian nuclear bombers was strategic. The response will be strategic. I do not believe Russia can attack any nuclear assets of the US or Great Britain without causing escalation on attacks against Russia.
Posted by: Keme | Jun 9 2025 18:41 utc | 98
Another trillion to Ukraine!
Another quadrillion to Israel!
Thank you blood guzzling jewish elites for your service!!!
Posted by: Argh | Jun 9 2025 18:44 utc | 99
light hearted .not to be taken seriously. brainstorming idea.
invade the Principality of Sealand.
Posted by: slippery | Jun 9 2025 18:44 utc | 100
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carbomb budanov?
Posted by: slothrop_tyrone | Jun 9 2025 15:46 utc | 1