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June 11, 2025
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2025-128
News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …
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@Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 12:09 utc | 86 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 12 2025 16:03 utc | 101 I would further expand my comment at 100 to include also Christianity. As it became more structured it also began to lose touch with its origins. Fortunately, records have been kept of those origins, and it is possible to return to them and question some of the derivations leading to structured, even schismatic, lesser versions of the original faith. Jesus in many of his encounters and parables sought to teach otherwise. What else can you say about the story everyone knows of the Good Samaritan — Samaritans are not Jews! Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2025 16:12 utc | 102 JohnGilberts @22: “This is class war. Fight Fascism. Power to the People. Resist don’t collaborate.” Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 16:17 utc | 103 The 71st Bilderberg Meeting will take place from 12 – 15 June 2025 in Stockholm, Sweden. Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 12 2025 16:24 utc | 104 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 16:17 utc | 105 Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 12 2025 16:30 utc | 105 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 16:17 utc | 105 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 12 2025 16:38 utc | 106 Tulsi Gabbard WW3 warning video is a must watch. Posted by: mk | Jun 12 2025 16:41 utc | 107 Much of the discussion about Trump’s military moves against the population hinges on equivocation between riot and insurrection. A riot is when there is violence by crowds of people. There are two types, lynching or pogroms or race riots, where a majority group attacks a minority, often with the tacit support of the police, who may even join in the assault, attacking alleged looters. The lynch mob proper historically has had the support of local community leaders, often including the police who simply stand down. This kind of violence is in fact organized by the powers that be. Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 12 2025 16:45 utc | 108 Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 12 2025 16:30 utc | 107 Posted by: Bong | Jun 12 2025 16:58 utc | 109 On the topics of dedollarization and multipolarity, a useful perspective is offered here: https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2025/06/09/bancor/
The pointed questions at the end are aimed not just at reactionaries like Trump and Bessent and Miran and all that crew. They are also pointed at MMT theoriests who don’t have a theory of profit any more than goldbugs or even Austrians. They even apply I think to those who believe that a multipolar world of humane governments relying on the endless progress of a regulated capital market would somehow abolish global inequality. Their problem is that capitalist crisis is inherent in the operations of any capitalist system advanced enouggh to beome, inevitably, a fetter on further development of the productive forces. Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 12 2025 17:00 utc | 110 *Israel is FUKUS cat paw in ME, just like Oz’, Jp, Ph, TW’s role in Asiapac. Posted by: denk | Jun 12 2025 17:27 utc | 111 Re: theory of profit Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2025 18:27 utc | 112 Recently b made a good point about Israel as FUKUS outpost.
https://mronline.org/2025/06/03/israel-as-a-tool-of-u-s-imperialism/ Posted by: denk | Jun 12 2025 18:45 utc | 113 @Peter AU1 Posted by: Ornot | Jun 12 2025 18:55 utc | 114 Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2025 18:27 utc | 114 The bosses theory of profit appears to be, the lower the unit labor cost, the higher the profit. It’s always funny (in the gallows’ humor way!) to hear from someone who thinks this is Everything and nothing else be said, because a Law of Nature and maybe a Commandment of God. Somehow though countries where these Wise Men who meet payrolls have run things, there has still been economic crises. And poverty and unemployment are still, mystifyingly, a real world thing. Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 12 2025 19:59 utc | 115 @Apollyon | Jun 12 2025 16:24 utc | 106 Posted by: NoName | Jun 12 2025 21:13 utc | 116 – Russia parks its bomber planes where US satellites can see them, per agreement with the US, only to see those planes attacked by drones Posted by: Passerby | Jun 12 2025 21:51 utc | 117 MOATS, Ep 455, with George Galloway Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 12 2025 22:46 utc | 118 I enjoyed this brief conversation (then comments) from the Duran with Jeffrey Sachs. Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2025 23:24 utc | 119 Number & Wealth of UK Billionaires Soars as Poverty Deepens Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 12 2025 23:25 utc | 120 Ornot | Jun 12 2025 18:55 utc | 116 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 23:39 utc | 121 Posted by Apollyon/ June 12 2025 16:24 utc/ 106 Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 12 2025 23:43 utc | 122 DNA tracking of past migrations. I assume it was likely part of the Pentagons bio-warfare program but done in the civilian sphere. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 13 2025 0:07 utc | 123 “That Tel Aviv ‘owns’ Washington, or the ‘tail wagging the dog’ is the MIC/bIG OIL/BIG PHARMA/BIG AGRI/WAR ST misdirection psyop. Posted by: dump | Jun 13 2025 1:10 utc | 124 Low value targets were hit in Tehran. The objective being to dupe Iran into retaliatiory strikes on American assets in the region to trigger US involvement in war. FDR tried for nearly two years to prod Germany to retaliate for the US destroyer’s attacks on German U-boats in the Atlantic. Hitler didn’t fall for it and strictly ordered German surface and submarine vessels to refrain from returning fire. FDR tried the same ruse on Japan who unwisely fell for the ruse. We’ll see if saner heads prevail in Iran. Posted by: jfrchitect | Jun 13 2025 1:45 utc | 125 The Democratic Party & Trump’s Coup Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 1:58 utc | 126 The Democratic Party & Trump’s Coup (corrected link from above) Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 2:06 utc | 127 I guess the next few weeks around Iran will give a better idea, but have been trying to pick up on the modus operandi of the US nationalists. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 13 2025 3:18 utc | 128 Third wave of Israeli bombers hitting Iran. Let us all hope , or pray if that is your thing, that this will not go nuclear. For sure Iran will strike back. Lots of civilians already dead. Oil prices and gold already rocketing, economic chaos will follow. We will see big changes now. Very sad, but the Zionists will not pull back. Trump will not become the hero he wanted to be. He will be replaced because he has done the job they wanted and now he may become unreliable. We will see. Posted by: Bingo | Jun 13 2025 3:47 utc | 129 Bingo | Jun 13 2025 3:47 utc | 132 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 13 2025 4:08 utc | 130 @Peter – sorry for doubting you, Uncle Pete. I’ve always enjoyed your stories. Welcome back ! Posted by: Featherless | Jun 13 2025 4:18 utc | 131 The new normal:
Headlined more colorfully on FT’s home page as US Senator Alex Padilla wrestled to ground at LA news conference. Posted by: too scents | Jun 13 2025 8:30 utc | 132 For me, Bernards latest about Israels attack om Iran doesnt respond to pressing ‘comments’ Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 13 2025 8:55 utc | 133 Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 1:58 utc | 129 Posted by: Deport them all! | Jun 13 2025 11:31 utc | 134 Man russia is a useless ally…after letting down Armenian…now Iram will experience the Russian reliability lol china on the other hand is living in a bubble Posted by: Electrical Skin | Jun 13 2025 11:55 utc | 135 Countries like Russia, China, Iran have little in common outside of being governed by Meek Moderate Boomer Regimes. The Cluster B Personality Disorder Regimes of the world will always have an edge over them when it comes to escalation. Russia is evolving, Iran so far has not. Posted by: RWA | Jun 13 2025 12:23 utc | 136 Over on the Iran thread… not sure whether the majority are girls going through pubity or overweight footballs fans with a pie in one hand and a can of beer in the other screaming abuse at their own team for not winning. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 13 2025 12:41 utc | 137 MoA has been predicting imminent Russian victory for three years. It predicted Hamas would slaughter the Israelis, Hezbollah would slaughter the Israelis, Iran would slaughter the Israelis. Face it, you guys are idiots. You’ve circle-jerked yourselves into your own purity spiral. Posted by: NLB | Jun 13 2025 13:33 utc | 138 “Fever pitch Fascism is on a roll!” Posted by: Deport them all! | Jun 13 2025 14:03 utc | 139 Putin told Trump he can help to Trump to make a deal with Iran, also Putin said he don’t want Iran to have nukes. Lmao Posted by: Banned Latino | Jun 13 2025 14:05 utc | 140 Trolls over here too. Was the same with the glorius Kursk operation. That didn’t turn out so well for the nato cheer squad. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 13 2025 14:19 utc | 141 As a result of the Islamic Republic’s political leadership’s actions – betraying Assad in Syria, turning a blind eye while Israel dismantled Hezbollah, and offering extremely weak responses to previous Israeli attacks – Iran now faces a high risk of catastrophic defeat. Posted by: Никола Миковић | Jun 13 2025 15:18 utc | 142 I guess a write about the bush a bit at times. The remoter areas where there is not too many humans. I look at the Iran thread. They think iran has gone down so treat it with scorn. All I can say s the vast majority of people, especially in the westphalian culture – the holy Roman empire – are scum. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 13 2025 15:52 utc | 143 Opalton Queensland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSICEsp3c7s Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 13 2025 16:32 utc | 144 A new head for the SS (BND) – which supports the Neo-Naz’s and the Zio-Nazi’s. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 13 2025 17:13 utc | 145 Dollar drops below 50% central bank reserves: (ZH)
Posted by: Exile | Jun 13 2025 17:46 utc | 146 Israel is trying ballistic interceptions never mind the perfect record against drones. Meanwhile in wartime Russia you can fly a WWII biplane to visit their chemical factories. Posted by: everaimless | Jun 14 2025 4:32 utc | 147 It’s such a flex that Israeli jets are freely crossing Syrian airspace for their strikes on Iran. Where there once was a modern nation with research institutes, fighter jets and air defence system, now only primitive religious cavemen look up to the steel birds in their sky. Posted by: Varangian | Jun 14 2025 5:07 utc | 148 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 13 2025 16:32 utc | 147 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jun 14 2025 12:00 utc | 149 With a change of a historical era such as we are going through now, although the storm can be seen approaching, it is impossible to predict the strength and direction of each gust of wind within that storm. All that can be predicted is that the storm will do much damage. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 14 2025 12:09 utc | 150 These days I made an error on this commentary board. Not gonna tell you where and when though, so when you start forgetting about it next week I can deny that it ever happened. Also, I want you to know that I do small errors here and there on purpose, so as not estrange the community I wish to maintain good relations with (this includes DunGroanin). I have not yet mastered the art of dropping merely apparent falsities for your consumption, which would have much the same effect over non-historical timespans, but have reason to expect some of you do. Posted by: persiflo | Jun 14 2025 13:21 utc | 151 The narrative
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With gents like these, who need the Jew ! Posted by: denk | Jun 14 2025 13:31 utc | 152 Dan Kovalik: Deportations, Repression & The LA Uprisings Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 14 2025 14:39 utc | 153 b
Thats right.
Narrative..
Reality
Posted by: denk | Jun 14 2025 15:20 utc | 154 Looks like the war with China is heating up…from ZH
MOAR civilization war for you! Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 14 2025 22:26 utc | 155 psychohistorian | Jun 14 2025 22:26 utc | 157 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 2:18 utc | 156 Putin – “The root causes of the conflict must be addressed”. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 3:20 utc | 157 Jon_in_AU | Jun 14 2025 12:00 utc | 150 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 3:34 utc | 158 @ Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 2:18 utc | 158 with the follow up about the China, Russia and Iran citadels of resistance against post soviet Anglo Americana full spectrum dominance doctrine…thx Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 15 2025 3:52 utc | 159 The fear of death. To have that when we are close to or past our useby date is an odd thing..One mate, we hd been lifelong mates since late teens, early twenties, I had to ask hm to leave and that endd our lifelong friendship. He had an over riding fer of death. The other mate, we hardly knew each other when younger. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 4:12 utc | 160 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 3:34 utc | 160 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jun 15 2025 4:26 utc | 161 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 3:34 utc | 160 Posted by: juliania | Jun 15 2025 4:32 utc | 162 juliania | Jun 15 2025 4:32 utc | 164 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 5:10 utc | 163 Many thoughts apart from looking into the abyss of the grand chessboard. So difficult to put those thoughts into words Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 5:16 utc | 164 I not long before clicked on a video of some American having a rant About Trump leading the US into yet another foreign war. Did not watch a lot of it, but playing softly in the background was ‘House of the Rising Sun’. Don’t know if he added it or more likely someone who reposted the video added the music. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 12:39 utc | 165 Many thoughts apart from looking into the abyss of the grand chessboard. So difficult to put those thoughts into words Posted by: juliania | Jun 15 2025 12:49 utc | 166 juliania | Jun 15 2025 12:49 utc | 168 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2025 13:23 utc | 167 Rather than allow African and Asian leaders a say in important global matters, it would be better for serious decisions to be made by ‘the sort of people sitting around this table’.
After all, they keep telling us, Posted by: denk | Jun 15 2025 13:43 utc | 168 Are gringo cattles being led by the nose ?
That seven countries in five years plan coming to the final stage, bit behind schedule perhaps.
tptb agenda going like clockwork. Posted by: denk | Jun 15 2025 14:13 utc | 169
Posted by: denk | Jun 15 2025 13:43 utc | 169
India
The elephant, three legs in G7, one leg in SCO.. why bother tho ? Posted by: denk | Jun 15 2025 17:51 utc | 170 |
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