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June 11, 2025
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2025-128

News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …

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Debs, what is your take on this ‘re-interpretation’ of the treaty of Waitangi that occurred a year or two back. NZ has changed in the last few years.
To me, the halls of power in the anglo world are in London and corporate US. All our PM’s swear allegiance to the hereditary british monarch while kowtowing to the Americans. Oz, Canada, NZ.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 17:17 utc | 1

Afaik the reunification of Germany was preconditioned on some kind of non-aggression towards the USSR and Russia and this is imo clearly invalidated by now.
Does anyone have any good resources or articles etc. dealing with this matter? I think I’ve only seen the topic mentioned ever so briefly in one or two news stories perhaps a year ago.
If Russia wants to they could make this an issue couldn’t they? Not only Russia but other countries in Europe could as well… and maybe the former East Germans themselves? 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 11 2025 17:22 utc | 2

@ Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 11 2025 17:22 utc | 2
Try putting the following into your search engine:
Four plus Two agreement for German reunification
I’ve just tried it and it returned lots of hits; it was something I remembered in the back of my mind that was prompted by your post.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 11 2025 17:29 utc | 3

” To me, the halls of power in the anglo world are in London and corporate US. All our PM’s swear allegiance to the hereditary british monarch while kowtowing to the Americans. Oz, Canada, NZ.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 17:17 utc | 1 ”
Who do all the worlds leaders swear allegiance to when they don the kippah and bow at the wailing wall ? The British monarch ? US corporate power ?

Posted by: The painter | Jun 11 2025 17:37 utc | 4

The painter | Jun 11 2025 17:37 utc | 4
Zionism is a tool, an anglo creation, same as islamic extremism and current nazism.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 17:45 utc | 5

I was a friend of Peter, when the hawk plane stooped upon us at Hole-in-the-Rock, it was Peter pulled me to safety.
I was a friend of Peter, when our water went below minim at the siege at Two Birds, Peter shared.
I was a friend of Peter, when the patrol caught us at Bight-of-the-Cliff and I was wounded, Peter drew them off so the wounded could be saved.
I was a friend of Peter, he taught me, that when you kill, you pay for it

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 17:58 utc | 6

The little kiddies say its the joos. others say its the bankers. little children scared of the dark say a boogie man is out there.
The halls of power in the Westphalian world… The anglo world rules over that. The center of the anglo world are the Barons of the Magna Carta. Now known as the City of London.
The American colonies… There was a bit of an insurgency back in the late 1700’s. Rus… colonial separatists blah blah.
I think we are seeing the same again regardless of optics. American separatists freeing themselves of the british yolk.
Ehret termed the two faction in the US as nationalist and loyalist. The nationalist faction are the separatists. Trump is merely the shop front facade.
Once again, Russia is helping the separatists in the brit colonies in the Americas.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 18:25 utc | 7

An injury – just a matter of a suitable dressing and time and it will heal.
A disease – a waste of time treating the symptoms. You must look into the very roots of that disease and interdict it at its source. Geo-politics is the same.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 18:37 utc | 8

As we draw near to a thrilling and patriotic military parade in the Wretched City I call on President Trump to take this to a historical level. Please, from the lead MAGA float, jump out of a giant birthday cake with Stormy Daniels in her impeachment swimsuit and Brother Mike Johnson wearing a “Big Beautiful Bill” toga. These colors don’t run.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 11 2025 18:41 utc | 9

Posted by: chunga | Jun 11 2025 18:41 utc | 9
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You are a witness to history. You’re getting to watch “festivities” as an Empire unravels. Few have seen similar.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 18:43 utc | 10

chunga | Jun 11 2025 18:41 utc | 9
The visible left right crap is bullshit for mushrooms.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 18:45 utc | 11

It’s not fair comparing “world leaders” with Putin. Nevertheless, he sets the standard.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 11 2025 18:52 utc | 12

LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 18:43 utc | 10
Trump is something of an Amerian Gorbachev/Yeltsin. Like an imploding star that shone brightly for a bit, The Americans will quite likely get sucked down into the black hole of their own long drop.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 18:55 utc | 13

Concerning the historical progression related to what happened in the 1990s after the west suggested that NATO wouldn’t expand to former Warsaw-block countries, the new book ‘Hybris’ in swedish by Ola Tunander is an informative source
He uses previously published articles in journals and he has covered this important topic in a comprehensive manner. I am not aware of any translation yet.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 11 2025 20:05 utc | 14

Christopher Black: Balancing the Unbalanced Scales of International Criminal Justice
https://www.blackagendareport.com/christopher-black-balancing-unbalanced-scales-international-criminal-justice
“Christopher C Black fought for justice in politically agendized international courts…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 11 2025 20:34 utc | 15

This Saturday there will be an attempted coup, a color revolution in the US as the Soros NGO’s in co-operation with rogue elements in the CIA and MI6.
These massive demonstrations are designed to overthrow the Trump administration, and create chaos.
Think May – June 2020 when the same thing was attempted and Portland, Seattle, NYC, Chicago, Minneapolis, Denver, LA, SF, Buffalo, Rochester and other cities. Antifa and BLM anarchists attempted the coup and failed.
Five years later all conditions have changed, over 20 million illegal aliens have been allowed into the US by the Biden Soros puppets, many of the murderers, rapists, drug dealers, drug mules, cartel soldiers, and ODC’s.
The Fifth Column now exists. There will be a major showdown this weekend. Stay tuned. Texas has already alerted the entire national guard for duty this weekend. Many other states are now following suit.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 11 2025 21:28 utc | 16

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 11 2025 21:28 utc | 17
I think what is happening now is similar to when Berkut cleared the Maidan statue for the “Christmas Tree.”
Those were not orders from Zakharchenko, (not the leader from Donbass who got killed) according to interviews with him, also. Perhaps they were given to cause public anger and support for the protesters.
If they let protesters in LA take over, say Pershing Square in LA and allow them to set up mini fortresses ala Maidan, then by the end of the summer they could have set things up enough with the useful idiots to set things off.
I’m looking at it through the Maidan lens. That was a pretty successful color revolution. Gene Sharp would be proud!
Right now the garlic and onions and peppers are being sauteed for the soup base.
Last Poets – When The Revolution Comes

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 11 2025 21:40 utc | 17

Sorry to hear you have caught another “bug”. I am assuming you are actually referring to a cold or flu. I would like to offer that my wife and I have been regularly using chaga tea for near thirteen years. By regularly, I mean several time a week. Neither of us has been sick since, except me when I stopped for six months last winter. I am seventy-seven, and she is seventy-two. It is available from many northern states (Minnesota, Maine,Vermont) as well as Russia where I last purchased it. Unfortunately, after that purchase, my Paypal account was suspended. I would highly recommend you research Chaga. Get well my friend.
Stochue

Posted by: Stochue | Jun 11 2025 21:57 utc | 18

I was referring to Vitaliy Zakharchenko. He was the Minister of Internal Affairs. He talked about it in Ukraine on Fire. The Christmas Tree incident is what started the protests. I guess the trade deal was somehow added to the mix.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 11 2025 21:57 utc | 19

Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

The industrial crisis in Germany is leaving its mark. According to an analysis, 100,000 jobs were lost within a year, a good 45,000 of them in the automotive industry. A further 70,000 jobs could be lost by the end of 2025. However, the analysts do not see any explicit deindustrialization. (welt)

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 11 2025 22:01 utc | 20

President Donald Trump at Fort Brag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DKi26Qlh2Q
Trump’s Fort Brag Rant: A Declaration of War on the American People
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/06/11/zojf-jll.html
“The real threat to the people comes from the White House and its cabal of conspirators. So great is the crisis of capitalism that the billionaire oligarchs, in whose interests Trump relies, require the destruction of all rights guaranteed in the Constitution and the estabishment of a dictatorship at home.
But Newsome and the Democrats propose nothing to stop Trump’s actions beyond appears to the courts, which the administration has vowed to defy…The Democratic Party leadership is above all terrified that popular opposition to Trump’s coup will destabilize the whole capitalist order, which they are just as anxious to defend as the Republicans.
What is required, however, is a direction and strategy…”
Solidarity Against ICE & The Entire State Apparatus
https://www.blackagendareport.com/solidarity-against-ice-and-entire-state-apparatus
“Popular resistance against the Trump administration in Los Angeles and other cities is a very positive development and one that Black people must embrace…The same forces that destroyed the liberation movement have convinced many Black people that effective political engagement is limited to voting, when in fact voting is the least effective means of bringing about change.
Numerous studies have shown that voters don’t get what they want when their chosen party is in office. Of course, bourgeois democracy delivers a revolving door of democrats and republicans who alternately fall out of favor with the public only to market themselves anew and periodically switch places so that the duopoly can take turns raising hopes and then fail the public over and over again.
Black people should know better than anyone else that police, whether local or from ICE, are the enemy and that we should never applaud their actions, even if we appear not to be the target…
This is class war. Fight Fascism. Power to the People. Resist don’t collaborate.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 11 2025 22:01 utc | 21

Trump’s Fort Brag Rant (url corrected from #22 above
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/06/11/zojf-j11.html
“The real threat to the people comes from the White House and its cabal of conspirators. So great is the crisis of capitalism that the billionaire oligarchs, in whose interests Trump rules, require the destruction of all rights guaranteed in the Constitution and the existence of a dictatorship at home…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 11 2025 22:08 utc | 22

Larry Johnson (SONAR 21):
“Is Donald Trump Starting World War III with Iran?”
https://sonar21.com/is-donald-trump-starting-world-war-iii-with-iran/
The answer seems to be “Yes” because “non essential US personnel and their families” have to leave the Middle East.
Johnson comes with 4 messages:
“Iraqi sources report increased military air activity in the skies above western Iraq following recent regional tensions.”
“Evacuation of non-essential personnel has reportedly begun at the U.S. Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar.”
“The White House says President Trump is aware of and monitoring the withdrawal of non-essential personnel and military families from the Middle East.”
“The U.S. State Department has also authorized the evacuation of non-essential employees and family members from Kuwait – AP”.

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Here we have to go back to Alastair Crooke. Crooke sees that there is a war going on Washington DC between the factions who don’t want a war with Iran and those (the military industrial complex & Israel lobby) who do want that to happen.
Iran doesn’t want get rid of ANY enrichment capabilities because it knows that Iran agreed with the JCPOA but the West didn’t follow any of the JCPOA agreement. E.g. no sanctions were ever lifted, no western promises were kept whereas Iran did stop the enrichment of uranium. This makes Iran to be very determined to not agree with anything that would reduce the capabilities of any nuclear enrichment, harm their enrichment program (if it exists at all). That’s the “red line” (remember Sergei Lavrov in april 2008 in Moscow with his nyet is nyet” message ?) for Iran. That iranian determination is used by the war hawks in DC to jusitfy an attack/war against Iran. And it seems Trump is going along with the warhawks because he is being lied to, kept ill informed.
See this article with a similar take on the situation in Russia & Ukraine:
https://sonar21.com/is-donald-trump-getting-the-mushroom-treatment-on-russia.

Posted by: WMG | Jun 11 2025 22:09 utc | 23

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 11 2025 22:01 utc | 21

Yes, it’s going to be ugly. The signs have been on the wall for years and yet, it still surprises me how fast this unravels.
One could hope the one good thing about German deindustrialisation, specifically cars, is fewer tanks. But there are plans to turn VW plants into military factories 🙁 Western Europe is such a mess… No glimmer of hope: even if sanity set in, sanctions were lifted and trade with Russia and China back to previous levels, it would be too late I’m afraid.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 11 2025 22:13 utc | 24

Laugh. ROTFLMAO.
AUKUS. The decades-long saga of acquiring submarines for Australia…. Has once again run aground. This time it’s Trump.
The question is if AUKUS aligns with his America First policies.
Reach back to the fundamentals…. we’re only antagonising China at the behest of the U$.
I *hate* the stupid AUKUS deal. The U$ backtracking… I’d love to think there’s a chance we can wriggle away…. But more likely we’ll get skewered and screwed even harder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmCo40taV8o
>>. Pentagon questions AUKUS’s compatibility with Trump’s ‘America First’ agenda | ABC NEWS

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 11 2025 22:17 utc | 25

Looks like they are getting ready to attack Iran in a very short order.
IAEA board of governors is likely to censure Iran. Trump will end talks using this nonsense.
Evacuation orders to civilians in ME US bases. Heavy Israeli air traffic into Syria. Oil prices up by 5%.
Most important, at 6 pm eastern time, pizza orders from Pentagon is through the roof. Nobody is leaving.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 11 2025 22:30 utc | 26

Zionism is a tool, an anglo creation, same as islamic extremism and current nazism.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 17:45 utc | 5
No, not really. Only in an even more watered-down sense than that Hamas is an “Israeli creation” – it’s more of an Israeli gene splicing and funding operation, and one that would likely not have survived in its present form without much Israeli assistance and malguidance.
Zionism is baked into Judaism. https://www.nefariousrussians.com/p/zionism-is-at-the-core-of-judaism

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2025 23:36 utc | 27

More on Zionism being baked into (western/diaspora/Ashkenazi) Judaism [a follow-up on the previous Yasha Levine link]:
https://www.nefariousrussians.com/p/the-ancient-zionism-that-haunts-the?utm_source=publication-search

I’ve been thinking again about whether or not zionism is hardwired into Judaism and I want to publish a segment from a new book about the growth and evolution of messianic zionism that I think supports my view of things. The book is by Rachel Feldman, who we talked to on the pod last month.
I got a decent amount of abuse a few months ago when I made the argument that a zionist way of thinking — that is, a way of looking at the world through a lens of messianic ethno-religious nationalism — is indeed a core part of Judaism and is present in core Jewish texts. I think I was (and am) much more right than wrong about my view on this. And I’m not the only one who has seen the same pattern. We talked to Rachel very briefly about it on the pod. And now, looking over her book again, I realize that she has a great, succinct section that gets into this topic specifically…and gets into it in a way that I think buttresses my interpretation.
As I wrote in my original essay on it, one thing that been constant for the past 2,000 or so years in Jewish culture (despite some brief blips) is Jewish attachment to the holy land — territory the pious have believed their god, the Hebrew god, gave to the Jews. And connected to this core belief have been messianic dreams and prophecies that Jews will one day return to their god-given land, establish a Jewish rule there, and rejuvenate the Jewish people. It’s what I initially called “ancient zionism.” And I argued that it has been a powerful force in both secular and religious Jewish communities.
As Rachel shows, this messianic earning for Jewish return to the holy land has manifested in all sorts of ways over the years — from rabbis pining for the re-establishment of Jewish theocracy in Jerusalem but arguing for the need to stay passive, that it will be god who restores Jews to the land…to Jewish prophets and sages in Europe trying to lead Jews back to Jerusalem, even predicting the exact year that the messiah will come and reestablish Jewish rule in the holy land…all the way to militant secular zionists who rejected the religion of their ancestors and yet based their European-style nationalist claims on the very same Jewish religious books that they rejected, and who argued for wrenching a zionist state into being through action and force. What’s interesting is that regardless of the specific forms that this Jewish messianic attachment to the holy land has taken over the millennia, the attachment has always been there — sometimes passive, sometimes active, but always there.
That’s why zionism, particularly after the Jewish state was created and proved its mettle in battle, has had such power over both secular and religious Jewish culture. It tapped into something fundamental to Judaism, an idea that goes right to the base of a religion that has defined Jewish identity for 2,000 years. This ancient zionism can be ignored or re-interpreted and transferred into an abstracted spiritual realm…but it’s still there, ready to be used any time. And the idea is powerful and direct, informing a way of thinking about the world and about what it means to be holy and where a Jewish person fits into the grander scheme of things.
Anyway, enough of my own spin on things, here is the bit from her book — Messianic Zionism in the Digital Age:

Following the destruction of the Second­ Temple, Jewish messianic aspirations found expression through symbolic ritual action and prayer. Pleas for the rebuilding of the ­Temple and restoration of Israel became embedded in the liturgies that Jews pray three times a day. In the absence of a physical ­temple space, rabbinic Judaism focused on the cultivation of what Abraham Joshua Heschel referred to as “holiness in time” sacred ritual events that could be performed in a state of dislocation from the Israel and axis mundi of the ­Temple Mount. It is noteworthy, however, that abstract and symbolic notions of the ­Temple actually predate the destruction of the Second ­Temple and the advent of rabbinic Judaism.
Aspirations for a ­ future, more perfect messianic ­House of God ­were articulated in antiquity to critique corruption within Second ­Temple institutions. Rabbinic Judaism developed a ritual and textual tradition that responded to the geographic dispersal of the Jewish ­people from their holy land and the loss of a central ­ Temple. Jews could connect with divinity from anywhere in the world through Torah study, the ­ performance of mitzvot, the commandments required by Jewish Law, and daily prayers, considered to be equivalent substitutions for the animal sacrifices that once took place on the ­Temple Mount. The very absence of a physical ­Temple inspired a rich canon of Jewish thought that elaborated the symbolic and metaphysical importance of the ­ House of God. The Jewish body, for example, was imagined at times as a microscopic ­ temple, a material container for holiness that must be cultivated through ­righteous actions.
Specific ritual actions, previously enacted by Temple priests, ­were relocated onto the individual Jewish body and into the private Jewish home. For example, the ritual handwashing that Jews perform upon waking in the morning represents the actions of the high priest who would purify his hands before offering an animal sacrifice on the ­Temple Mount. Likewise, the dinner ­table inside the Jewish home came to be viewed as a symbolic ­temple “altar” for the blessing and elevation of food (to be consumed and transformed into spiritual sustenance by one’s digestive “fire”).
Mystical and macroscopic notions of the ­Temple also proliferated, beginning with post-biblical rabbinic lit­er­ature, in which the entire world was conceived as a potential ­temple and vessel for divinity to reside within. While abstracted notions of the­ temple played an impor­tant role in shaping Jewish practice, connection to and longing for the physical ­temple persisted in liturgy and ritual; for example, on Tisha B’Av (the ninth day of the month of Av) religious Jews collectively fast and mourn the destruction of the Second ­Temple while praying for its eventual rebuilding.
Rabbinic sources, including the Talmud and kabbalistic works, expanded metaphysical interpretations of the House of God, broadening it beyond its national/historical role on the ­ Temple Mount. In the early kabbalistic work Sefer Yetzirah, the ­Temple appears as part of the sacred architecture of the universe, the container through which divine creative power flows and gives rise to the material world. In addition to abstracting the ­Temple, rabbinic commentators downplayed apocalyptic visions of the end of times, developing passive and individualized approaches to redemption and the messianic era. The end of times was not something to be hastened through radical actions; instead, the initiation of the messianic era was considered a ­ matter of divine decree, or, alternatively, as contingent upon personal spiritual cultivation and gradual collective tikkun (rectification or world fixing) through pious actions. Medieval kabbalists like Isaac Luria emphasized the ability of ­ human actions to influence the divine realm; through the ­ performance of daily mitzvot and prayer Jews could collectively and slowly “raise up the divine sparks” and help draw the Shekhinah, the divine presence, back out of exile. From this perspective, the arrival of the messianic era would occur at an unrevealed time when Jewish repentance and righ­teousness would be sufficient to merit national restoration in the Land of Israel.
In tension with more passive theological orientations toward the messianic era are the acute moments of messianic fervor that punctuate Jewish medieval and modern history, including the emergence of self-­proclaimed messiahs and attempts to return to the Land of Israel.
During the seventeenth century, Jewish rabbi and kabbalist Shabbatai Tzvi claimed to be the long-­awaited Messiah who would lead Jews back to the Land of Israel. A ­ century ­later, the Gaon of Vilna, one of the most influential ranbinic figures of his time, predicted the imminent arrival of the Messiah in 1781.
The Gaon rejected the messianic passivity of his rabbinic contemporaries and defied admonitions against prematurely hastening the arrival of messianic times. Decades before the birth of the Zionist movement, he encouraged his disciples to immigrate to the Land of Israel and begin physically rebuilding a Jewish theocracy.
The birth of the Zionist movement at the end of the nineteenth ­century intensified theological debates regarding passive and active messianic attitudes as the immigration of ­European Jews to Palestine brought to the fore questions surrounding the role of practical ­ human action in initiating messianic times.
Despite the secularity of the founding Zionist ­philosophers and general lack of religious observance among ­European Jewish settlers arriving in the second and third waves of Zionist immigration, Zionist discourses in the prestate years ­were saturated with nationalist messianic tropes inspired by the Jewish prophetic tradition. Immigration to Israel to work the land through collective farming was viewed as part of an effort to redeem not only the nation but also the Jewish body and soul. Diasporic Jews would be transformed into “native” Hebrews firmly bonded to their ancestral homeland, and the biblical past became an impor­tant resource for socializing Jewish natives in Israel. The ­imagined degenerate and bookish Jew of Exile would be refashioned into a muscular, proud (European-­like) man through agricultural work and military power, resurrected in the ­imagined image of his biblical Israelite ancestors…

After talking to Rachel and reading her book, one thing I probably would have done differently in my original essay on ancient zionism is to use slightly more precise terms — in particular highlighting the distinction between Judaism (the religion that emerged after Rome’s destruction of the temple in Jerusalem) and Israelitism (the more originalist interpretation of the religion that existed before Rome razed Jerusalem), and that with the creation of a Jewish state, Judaism has been losing power while Israelitism has been on the rise. Israelitism is explicitly, unapologetically theocratic and nationalist in character and fits much more nicely with zionism. And that’s where Jewish culture is headed…
—Yasha

Apologies for the long post. Original is paywalled.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2025 23:39 utc | 28

Its not a good sign that US non essential personnel are being evaced from the ME, but I do not think the US will directly attack Iran.
Not so with the IDF however. The IDF under the most fascist regime in the ME is bound and determined to attack Iran and soon too.
US would be insane to back this crazy Bibi/Gvir/Smotrich misadventure.
The MSM is already stating that the IDF destroyed the Iranian AAD after the Iranian missile attacks – total nonsense, but it serves the propaganda purpose. The Iranians possess loads of S300 and S400 systems, plus their own home grown AAD missile systems…..
Are the Israelis ready for the spectacle of downed airmen being paraded through Tehran after numerous aircraft losses? Are they ready for a massive Iranian hypersonic and ballistic missile attacks on Tel Aviv and Haifa ?

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 12 2025 0:00 utc | 29

Re: German reunification and the US pledge that NATO would not move “one inch” to the east.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger
The book that you want is: “Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine” -Scott Horton
It covers ALL the details, treaties, public statements, diplomats, think tanks, etc. With something like 500 pages of footnotes to find exact references.

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 12 2025 0:02 utc | 30

Apologies for the long post.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2025 23:39 utc | 29
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No apology necessary. I’m grateful for every word of it.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 12 2025 0:20 utc | 31

RE Iran. (??)
Trump Truth Social

I am more confident than ever that in the days ahead and every generation to come, the U.S. Army will heap glory upon glory. You will summon inexhaustible courage. You will protect every inch of U.S. soil—and you will defend America to the ends of the earth!

Err..”ends of the Earth”???

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 12 2025 0:29 utc | 32

this is for freefire topups topupsewa.games

Posted by: Topup Sewa Games | Jun 12 2025 0:33 utc | 33

It seems to me at this point there is no barrier to a nuclear first strike by Israel. They ought not be afraid of becoming a pariah state.

Posted by: UnionHorse | Jun 12 2025 0:35 utc | 34

If they really are going all bomb bomb bomb Iran…
Maybe the attack on the Russian strategic bombers makes a little more sense.
~ remember, at first they claimed they’d taken out 41 Russian bombers.
Will Russia get involved if they bom bomb bomb Iran?
Dunno. But maybe they thought they’d remove Russian air assets so Russia had to sit this one out.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 12 2025 0:41 utc | 35

Anyone with a telegram?
AMK mapping says lots of Israeli fighter jet activity.
And CENTCOM has postponed Thursday testimony to Congress due to “rising tensions in the Middle East”.
~~~
NYT: Deal has officially collapsed
“Trump is personally overseeing military movements in the Middle East.”
–Reuters.
https://x.com/SilentlySirs/status/1932890472764129413
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1932933131155484743
~ When asked by CBS why U.S. military families are being evacuated from the Middle East, President Trump simply responded:
“You’ll have to see, thank you.”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 12 2025 0:50 utc | 36

The Anglo-Zionists destroyed Hezbollah and have been occupying Southern Lebanon since. They along with their Persian Gulf Arab & Turkish allies destroyed Syria and installed an Al-CIA-duh operative as leader. They have also occupied Western Syria without a peep from the Al-CIA-duh administrator. Egypt and Jordan have been owned and operated by then for decades. Iraq has been disarmed. Yemen is just a nuisance; unable to do anything other than harass shipping and the odd lobbed projectile towards the occupied territories.
Obviously the only thing left to complete the servitude of the region is to destroy the only remaining naye sayer; Iran.
The forum seems to think it will not be an easy task but remember that there are millions of Iranian exiles with extended families and friends whom have been promised riches in the new yet to be installed administration. Let’s not forget to Azeri/Kurd/Arab/Baloch minorities have been promised self determination for their treason.
Have you all forgotten the Persian and Turkic speakers of Afghanistan whom for a few roubles and administration positions butchered fellow Afghans for the Soviets? The exact same ‘ardent’ communists magically became ‘ardent’ supporters of “democracy” and pasties of NATO occupation overnight.
Corruption and treachery are endemic to the region and the Anglo-Zionists know whom to buy.

Posted by: Saag | Jun 12 2025 0:50 utc | 37

Sen Tom Cotton on xwitter:
Today @secdef confirmed Iran’s terrorist regime is actively working towards a nuclear weapon.
For the sake of our national security, the security of our allies, and the millions of civilians in the region this cannot be allowed to happen.
_____
WaPo: US ordered all embassies in striking distance of Iran across the Middle East to convene emergency action committees and send cables back to DC

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 12 2025 0:58 utc | 38

Posted by: UnionHorse | Jun 12 2025 0:35 utc | 35

It is not like they have any reason to think anyone will stop them or even punish them for such a crime.
Iran might try, but I doubt they will do much more than the last two times.
A shame if so because the West sees restraint as weakness. Something I don’t think Iran really grasps.

Posted by: saner | Jun 12 2025 1:10 utc | 39

Black people should know better than anyone else that police, whether local or from ICE, are the enemy and that we should never applaud their actions, even if we appear not to be the target…
This is class war. Fight Fascism. Power to the People. Resist don’t collaborate.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 11 2025 22:01 utc | 22
You idiot, blacks hate beaners. They are perfectly happy to watch them get smashed. The more smashed, the less competition for fed and state bennies and shitty jobs.
Illegals are the enemy of all blacks and all whites that aren’t in the top 10 percent.
Deport them all!

Posted by: Deport them all! | Jun 12 2025 1:23 utc | 40

Sunny Runny Burger @ 2:
The unification of East and West Germany was agreed upon by the Soviets on the condition that NATO would not expand eastwards past the unified Germany towards the Soviet Union.
Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner / Slavic Studies Panel Addresses “Who Promised What to Whom on NATO Expansion?”
You may find the documents cited at the link helpful in your research.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jun 12 2025 2:03 utc | 41

Thomas Piketty
@PikettyWIL
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Jun 9
Colonial extraction and unequal exchange have shaped two centuries of North-South inequality.
🧵A thread on a NEW STUDY written with @gatonievas
https://x.com/PikettyWIL/status/1932073970569748637

Posted by: Menz | Jun 12 2025 2:12 utc | 42

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1932958748269818179
JUST IN – Israel informed U.S. officials that it is fully ready to launch an operation into Iran — CBS
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Global Hawk in the air from Sigonella Italy as BLKCAT6.
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Jennifer Jacobs
https://x.com/jenniferjjacobs/status/1932955683084792259?s=46
BREAKING: US officials have been told Israel is fully ready to launch an operation into Iran. This is part of the reason the US advised some Americans to leave region. US anticipates Iran could retaliate on certain US sites in Iraq. Witkoff is still planning to meet with Iran for the 6th rounds of talks this Sunday. 

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 12 2025 2:13 utc | 43

@ Deport them all! | Jun 12 2025 1:23 utc | 41
“Divide et impera” wins again!

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 12 2025 2:20 utc | 44

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 12 2025 0:58 utc | 39
Sen Tom Cotton on xwitter:
Today @secdef confirmed Iran’s terrorist regime is actively working towards a nuclear weapon.
Confirmed? No. He asserted that they were. Doing the NuttyYahoo thing.
I wonder if even one US congressman questioned how he could know. How about some proof? Are we supposed to take the word of the current crop of liars in the White House?

Posted by: saner | Jun 12 2025 2:37 utc | 45

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 12 2025 2:20 utc | 45
Like it or not, that is the way it is.
Tribe vs tribe.

Posted by: Deport them all! | Jun 12 2025 3:20 utc | 46

Posted by: Deport them all! | Jun 12 2025 1:23 utc | 41
You not only have no idea what you’re talking about, but you’re obviously heavily propagandized by profit seeking fools and jingoists in the RW media and “influencer” world.
Further, you are either 100% OK with the eventual ramifications of this kind of statist-military police action and/or incredibly short sighted as far as the implications it will eventually have on even your own protections under the Constitution.
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/the_spectacle_of_a_police_state_this_is_martial_law_without_a_formal_declaration_of_war

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 3:33 utc | 47

tip of the iceberg?? no wonder folks are protesting.. it is pretty outrageous what is going on.. usa is falling apart, but i suppose this is a nice distraction for trump.
Jesús polished luxury vehicles at an LA car wash for years. Then ICE showed up
how about this?
Watch: Federal agents detain man wanted in Paramount ICE protest
According to the report, the individual being detained was accused of “punching” a Customs and Border Control officer during a protest in Paramount last Saturday.
is this a trial run of trumps police state given how the usa is falling apart so quickly under him??

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 3:51 utc | 48

hat tip to richard steven hack for sharing the last part of my post in his substack.. my comment is at the very end and the first part..

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 3:53 utc | 49

is this a trial run of trumps police state given how the usa is falling apart so quickly under him??
Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 3:51 utc | 49
Absolutely. Well, that and just a trial balloon to measure the types and levels of “resistance” they get across the board from citizens, state and local pols, and academia. This is just the in-the-streets continuation of the war on college students and universities.
Man, if the Iran hawks get their way, and we end up in a major war with Iran, not only will the military lose, but the economy will be wiped out.
That said, I think it’s far more likely that Trump doesn’t want hot war with Iran and that he and Miller see this ICE and “antisemitism” stuff as an opportunity to save face by avoiding incredibly unpopular military embarrassment abroad and flex military strength on our streets. Kinda the Imperial Boomerang. They know they couldn’t beat the Houthis or Taliban. But a bunch of mostly unarmed “rioters” (read: mostly civil protestors goaded into violence by heavy police provocations and mistreatment) are a turkey shoot for the Marines, Army and National Guard.
How long before Kent State 2.0 and what happens after? 38% approval ratings about 5 months in…. Only precedent I can think of is Bush/Cheney and then 9/11 “happened.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:10 utc | 50

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:10 utc | 51
things have gotten so much worse in the usa since kent state.. everything is wrong and hoping some saviour like trump is going to come along to make america great again is quite insane… what the usa needs is someone to say ‘we are not the greatest’ and ‘we are fucked’, but the person will not be given the time of day, lol… so instead – this type of crap is on tap.. i would be depressed if i lived in the usa.. it is bad enough i live in the vassal state next door, lol… i can’t believe how insane things have gotten since trump got in office.. and the truth is, i liked some of his talk – ceasefire in 1 day or whatever.. it seemed like he meant it on some level.. meanwhile his undying fealty to israel and zionism is truly pathetic… i don’t know about the saber ratting from israel on iran right now, but if these wackos had a brain they would find a way to make peace.. seems like some type of insane death cult to me and trump isn’t taking the janet reno approach with them either… he is encouraging them!!

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 4:16 utc | 51

On these Nat. Guard and Marine deployments. The scope and scale of these protests and eventual localized riots comes nowhere near the need for such heavy handed suppression tactics or the optics that naturally accompany them. This is as much a PR tactic as it is an intentional attempt at provocation to “justify” doubling and then tripling down, culminating in martial law. All because a few ICE agents were momentarily impeded in their warrantless work to meet a new Stephen Miller order to arrest and deport more people. They know that Biden and the “open borders” Dems deported more, and that Obama before them did. Hence this is at once a provocation and a trial run.
Let’s rile up the (shrinking) base with theatrical immigration enforcement red meat, let’s piss more people off – let’s provoke them to violence as much as possible (and do you think these fucks don’t know how to do that by now?) – and let’s test the proverbial waters to see what types and how much more can we get away with, and justify.
Yeah some Waymo cars will burn, a few Adidas and Gucci shops will be vandalized or looted, but the more the better. If agents provocateur or infiltrators can be utilized, great. If we (Palantir, any number of Zionist Entity and Deep State social media firms, etc.) can also convince the dumb black kid in Compton “hey Free Adidas!” all the better.
This is not what – or as simple as – many people seem to think it is.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:21 utc | 52

46.
The only thing that self important Tom Cotton confirmed was American imperiousness.
It is so because we say it is so!
We say Iraq has WMD! Invade!
We say Gaddafi is killing his own people! Invade!
We say Assad is using chemical weapons on civilians! Regime change!
We say China is committing genocide and using slave labour in Xinjiang! Oops! Haha, no invasion yet! Boycott Xinjiang cotton!
Witkoff isn’t talking to Iran. Empire doesn’t talk to anyone.
It talks down to them, with marching orders, or get steamrolled over.
Until their so called Irresistible Force meets Immovable Object.
Hello, Moscow! Ni hao, Beijing! Lol!

Posted by: Little WhiteCabbage | Jun 12 2025 4:31 utc | 53

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 4:16 utc | 52
The Russia Ukraine part is quite the tell for me. I, too, thought there was maybe some genuine kernel of understanding on his or his cabinet’s part, and a desire to bring a lasting peace between Russia, NATO and Ukraine during the campaign. But Trump fooled me too. I never had any illusions about Trump and the Zionists – who – more than any other candidate – own him.
On that note, an important dilemma on Biden who once said “if Israel didn’t exist we’d have to create it.” Biden’s administration was totally captured by Jewish Zionist Israeli Ethnosupremacist bad actors, but MAGA and conservatives can’t have it both ways. Biden was senile AF by the time October 7 “happened.” I don’t believe for a minute that a single one of his brain cells was called into action from the beginning of 2023 to January of 2025. Ergo: he was a puppet of the Zionists only inasmuch as who he was surrounded by at that point in his cognitive decline. But Trump is surrounded by them too, as much or more, dating back to his relationship with Zionist deep state/underworld nexus agents like Roy Cohn and Sheldon Adelson.
Trump is a proud Zionist, which isn’t incompatible with saying he also recognizes a great opportunity to wield the “antisemite” horse shit as a means of exercising outsized executive powers to control speech, freedom of assembly, and culture in general. For Trump it’s about more control and revenge. His acolytes and cult members have none of the excused they did last time around. No Russiagate, no deep state moles like John Bolton or Mike Pimpeous for them to blame. His Heritage/Federalist hand-picked inner and outer circles have purged anyone remotely resembling a realist in the Middle East and all but one or two on Russia and Easter Europe, to say nothing of China-Taiwan. So what’s the excuse….THIS TIME…. for essentially trying to make anyone in, or coming to, the US pledge fealty to, and support of the Zionist Entity in the name of fighting “antisemitism”?
Not like he doesn’t have plenty of help, including from hard core anti-MAGA TDS factions in the media, academia, and those still embedded in government.
But to the notion that the Dems, Silicon Valley and the deep state were attempting to usurp constitutional rights and control the narrative through shadowy but well heeled foundations and institutes and think tanks. Yep, Taibbi and others exposed the “Misinformation Industrial Complex” but then, what to make of Trump and Thiel and/or Karp (Palantir) and the newfound brolove relationships with the same exact Silly Cone Valley firms, by now completely staffed up at all higher levels with Zionist cyphers and “former” IDF/Mossad Unit 8200 actors?
I’m way off on a tangent now, considering the original subject of social order in the US and the perceptions of the legitimacy of our Madisonian governmental institutions (3 branches). The Demorats are rightly perceived positively by only something like 25% of the population – a fact that gives lie to any notion that polls are are carefully manipulated by liberals, or in the parlance of Trumpist Reverse TDS morons ‘the left’.
TL/DR: This country is fucked, Trump will hasten the pain and decline both internationally and domestically and I didn’t even touch his ridiculous roller coaster ride of trade and tariffs. For those of you in Canada and elsewhere: Getcha popcorn ready and hope that the kernels don’t pop in nanoseconds just by being exposed to the atmosphere in the near future.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:39 utc | 54

BTW: when I said “Yeah some Waymo cars will burn, a few Adidas and Gucci shops will be vandalized or looted, but the more the better.”
What I meant wasn’t that I approve of it. I meant that the Trump administration sees this as a positive. A PR victory for the heavy handed police state tactics and an excuse to engage in more of them. Personally I don’t like seeing (capitalist exploitative) luxury product storefronts selling items mostly made by sweatshop labor burn in fiery blazes. It’s counterproductive to my and most protestors aims, but the authoritarian’s unspoken desire. They WANT cities to burn, and they’ll do what they need to in order to facilitate and accelerate it. In normal circumstances, those things quickly fizzle out on their own, but it’s been a long time since the relations between the American people and police state have been “normal” if in fact it was ever the case.
I’m sure that will evoke some strong feelings in some people. I feel the same about the “mostly peaceful” BLM “riots” in 2020. In the vast majority of cases where rioting, looting and violence erupted it was sparked by accelerationist infiltrators of various stripes – from police departments to Pinkerton thugs to the federal government. And it’s funny how the American right always blames the left for their own instigated and perpetrated violence/rioting (“Soros” and pallets of bricks) when they (such as Umbrella Man in Minneapolis, numerous agents provocateur at WTO ’99, etc.) and their overworld corporate-finance masters have undoubtedly played that role historically, and that it was their masters who always eventually reaped the benefits. Any PD’s on ANY level been “DEFUNDED” yet, yo?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:52 utc | 55

@ Little WhiteCabbage | Jun 12 2025 4:31 utc | 54
nice overview.. thanks!
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:39 utc | 55
it doesn’t matter who one votes for.. it is the same party no matter what… no accountability and no one within distance who has the guts or the character to address this anywhere either.. instead a lot of slick politicians sucking up to the highest bidder..i guess this is what happens when capitalism meets democracy.. democracy becomes a laughing stock, or a nice facade to hide behind, with the reality on the ground speaks to the exact opposite..
i think it is therapeutic to get some of this off our chests, so here i am doing it, lol.. off to read offline..

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 4:52 utc | 56

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:52 utc | 56
everything is for sale and everything is co opted too…

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 4:55 utc | 57

i think it is therapeutic to get some of this off our chests, so here i am doing it, lol.. off to read offline..
Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 4:52 utc | 57
Me too. I really think you’d appreciate this book. Pretty new, from 2021 or thereabouts. Really has informed my ability to read a lot of regular MoA contributors who are older and more well read than me.
Super relevant to the present situation.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/377976782_Aaron_Good_2022_American_Exception_Empire_and_the_Deep_State_New_York_Skyhorse_Publishing/fulltext/65c11466790074549768100b/Aaron-Good-2022-American-Exception-Empire-and-the-Deep-State-New-York-Skyhorse-Publishing.pdf
You can pirate the whole thing in EPUB or PDF format at Z-Library or Anna’s Archive.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:58 utc | 58

Just watched Dead Kennedys’ “Kinky Sex Makes The World Go Round”, posted by a barfly on earlier thread.
Lyrics are just as relevant now as then. Mrs Thatcher having an orgasm on the phone is probably mirrored in Congress and London now.
IAEA has been implicated in the identification of Iranian nuclear scientists later assasinated by the Entity. Does this mean that Iran should demand a new noncompromised oversight committee?

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 12 2025 5:07 utc | 59

@ UnionHorse | Jun 12 2025 0:35 utc | 35
Yes, on surface appearance Israel could get away with a nuclear first strike. However, because of the utter destructiveness of nuclear weapons, anyone indulging in their first use is going to be generally hated, leading to a lot of further political consequences that are unknown and will probably be not beneficial to the perpetrators. This is what has held back all the nuclear powers from using these weapons since 1945, even the utterly arrogant and dominationist US political elite. Many, many US militarists and planners have wanted to use nuclear weapons, as documented by James Carroll in House of War: The Pentagon and the Disastrous Rise of American Power. But they have been held back by the evil of the first use conundrum. This is why they seem to be trying to goad Russia into using nuclear weapons, both so they can blame Russia but also so they can then use nuclear weapons in second use, not first use.
The other thing is that Israel has no intention of attacking Iran itself; it only wants to sic the US on Iran. Iran is not really any threat to Israel, and it is doubtful whether Iran even has the intention of acquiring nuclear weapons. If Iran did get nuclear weapons, it would just mean that Israel wouldn’t be able to attack Iran, but then, Israel isn’t attacking Iran directly anyway. Rather, Israel wants the US to attack Iran in order to destroy the possibility of any peaceful relations between the US and the Muslim world so that pro-Israel warmongers can maintain their grip on US foreign policy. This is why the US hasn’t already attacked Iran, because the harmful consequences for the US are so obvious, even though Israel usually has gotten its way with the US.

Posted by: Cabe | Jun 12 2025 5:25 utc | 60

Mass deportation of immigrants from Latin America in US has to do with Industry 4.0, Robotics and the expansion of AI and automation of services. It’s pressure from Silicon Valley rather than Maga nuts..

Posted by: Nick | Jun 12 2025 5:47 utc | 61

@Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2025 23:36 utc | 28
You proclaim that zionism isnt really due to Great Britains elites (according to what I have found since the 1500s)
amd you like many others want the zionist entity to be a separate power.
That is a commonly occurring form of denial upheld by constantly looking the other way. Not even trying to learn.
The anglosaxon culture dominates and lies perpetually.
I am not mainly blaming the anglosaxons because the information should be sought by other nations intelligentia instead of everybody being so damned subservient.
You do what seems favourable to your own comfort.
I dont blame you very much. The anglosaxon cultures inhabitants get away with it because the rest fails to wake up.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 12 2025 5:49 utc | 62

For all intents and purposes Iran already has nuclear deterrence. They’ve had it for years.
I’m sure that most of you here have seen news and government reports that Iran is a week or two away from having a bomb for the last several years. Iran has a lot of uranium that is enriched enough that they could take it and enrich it to bomb weapons grade in a week. Iran has tons on nuclear engineers and making a nuke really isn’t that difficult in this day and age. Further, they already have the missiles to deliver that bomb.
Any attack by Israel is going to be a short, fast air assault which, if it gets through, will have limited damage to Iran’s hardened and dispersed nuclear sites. They won’t be able to take out everything and Iran will be able to quickly knock out a nuke which they can deliver on on an unstoppable hypersonic and/or under cover of a saturation swarm of drones and cruise missiles. Any land attack from the US which could seize all the nuclear site will needs months of buildup, which would be obvious and give Iran plenty of time to crank out a few nukes.
The real threat is that Israel attempts a nuclear first strike. Iran’s hardened facilities are deep enough that some of them would survive, but we’d be living in a different world after that. I don’t know if anyone knows what the world would look like after a modern nuclear first strike. If Israel is indeed contemplating a nuclear decapitation strike, then they must be very, very confident that they can pull it off, because Israel is a tiny place and an Iranian nuclear retaliation would destroy it completely.
It goes without saying that very, very confident is not the same think a certain, and even certain isn’t the same as correct. Interesting times.

Posted by: team10tim | Jun 12 2025 5:50 utc | 63

It would be galactic level trolling if the Chinese deploy nukes in Iran

Posted by: 667 | Jun 12 2025 6:09 utc | 64

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 12 2025 5:49 utc | 63
yeah, absolve your fellow jews. that’s fine. whatever makes you comfortable. but you’re missing several levels here at the same time as you accurately hit on others. of course the anglo saxons have/had an interest in an imperial outpost of sorts in “judea” – OF COURSE. but you’re not even remotely processing the deep, baked-in ties between judaism and zionism. these are not mutually incompatible or exclusive issues. i’ll let you think about that before your next lecture to me.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 6:18 utc | 65

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 12 2025 5:49 utc | 63
“not even trying to learn” – LOL doctor, heal thyself.
Are you not aware of AMERICAN zionist history? The Scofield Bible wasn’t a creation of Perfidious Albion, you condescending “self – researching” referencing apologist/single-perp escapist. Brandeis? C’mon, man. Did you even read Yasha Levine’s articles? I seriously doubt it. Why are you apologizing and “looking the other way” on the evils of Zionism – or – trying to ascribe its origins to stupid greedy Brit elites?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 6:21 utc | 66

Tribe vs tribe.
Posted by: Deport them all! | Jun 12 2025 3:20 utc | 47

Race mixing will win.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 12 2025 6:47 utc | 67

10 year treasury auction seemed fine on Wednesday. Nothing dramatic either direction.
Yield now 4.4%

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2025 7:21 utc | 68

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2025 23:36 utc | 28
This is the critical part in your link that maked the rest of it garbage
“and study the Torah and Talmud, a new text that now superseded the Torah.”
From what I can find, prior to the very late 1800’s, there were very few zionist jews. What caused the European jews to start going back to the Torah at that time”. Even in the lead up to WWII there still wasn’t a lot of Zionist jews.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 8:45 utc | 69

“… Trump is something of an Amerian Gorbachev/Yeltsin. Like an imploding star that shone brightly for a bit, The Americans will quite likely get sucked down into the black hole of their own long drop.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 18:55 utc | 13
There is truth in what you say, Peter. But the way up is the way down. Following Russia’s path is not a bad thing to be doing. Putin has already pointed that out, by the way.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2025 8:55 utc | 70

Thank you, Tom. For Orthodox Christianity, the way of overcoming this trend is best expressed in two fables: ‘The Way of a Pilgrim’ and ‘The Pilgrim follows His Way’ which are combined in one small volume. I had it in paperback, will attempt to recover it eventually. The basic idea is that one reads the Old Testament with Christ always in mind, even as far back as Genesis. Places where this feels impossible to do, one simply passes over.(This is what Jesus himself did.)
Interesting is that the pilgrim ends his travels in Odessa, having been thwarted in his intent to travel to the Holy Land.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2025 9:16 utc | 71

Sorry, the above was in answer to
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2025 23:39 utc | 29

Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2025 9:19 utc | 72

From what I can find, prior to the very late 1800’s, there were very few zionist jews. What caused the European jews to start going back to the Torah at that time”. Even in the lead up to WWII there still wasn’t a lot of Zionist jews.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 8:45 utc | 70
Martin Buber traces it in his “Tales of the Hasidim”, Peter. Intro by Chaim Potok. The hasidic branch of Judaism began as a turning against structured elite Judaism in favor of less ‘cultured’ ordinary followers of certain masters. It seems that zionism came out of this return to what Buber describes as a more joyful judaism. He himself joined the zionism movement for a brief time, but left in disagreement with its extreme radicalism and remained in opposition the rest of his life.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2025 9:38 utc | 73

Tulsi Gabbard WW3 warning video is a must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcyUumTGRWs

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 12 2025 9:43 utc | 74

63.
No need for ‘ galactic level trolling’.
China doesn’t do force projection into other countries and claim to bring democracy and freedom.
Its policy is defensive ( to parrot a line, as some might say).
But it acts when its interests are threatened.
Looking at overall context of events unfurling, it bears a guess that throttling China’s oil supplies is tangential ( or central) to Washington’s moves to war on Iran?
Beijing does not scare easy.
It has declared its readiness to go head-on with
Whatever war – tech, financial, trade, or proxy – that its adversary wants, China is cocked, loaded and ready.
No Chinese nukes in Iran. But given the successful deployment of its weapons by Pakistan, Beijing could have many effective tools in the box.
Have a good day

Posted by: Little WhiteCabbage | Jun 12 2025 9:47 utc | 75

The FEW Old Owners have decided to hand the disaster to the German peoples – willing scapegoats again! It seems.
The old ziofascist created AngloEuropean imperial nexus of Swedes, Italians, Spanish, French, Dutch and British and their perennially ‘dumb pollacks and idiot house slavs’ are apparently throwing the idiot Germans under the bus again – a mad charge into the Russian canons – out of spite, at failing yet again to take Russia.
The shapeshifter Great Gamers – lose again at the Game they started!
Just like England never again being able to win a World Cup at football, or cricket or rugby (though I have hopes of a Farrell managed team doing so next WC if he is willing…)
It’s not easy when everyone also learns to play and are naturally better at it! Lol.
Brazil, Mexico, Africans …Wait till nextgen Chinese youth learn that way to riches and fame and celebrity.
The only way to not lose was not to let anyone else play.
Or now – NOT TO PLAY!
Or love to lose; play and never care about being the loser.
Never complain, just enjoy the status of always being the loser.
These are the choices available to the occupied German peoples slave mentality, sacrificial minions. Same applies to the Japanese and to some extent the subcontinentals and the final brick in ‘Fortress Europe’ (the forefather of Borrell’s GARDEN).
The FEW shapeshifter Money creators latest khokol nazi banderist proxies are beaten and are heading for choosing to be rubble, instead of a sensible unconditional surrender.
That would be followed by truth and reconciliation.
But no, they intend to burn the whole place down. Instead of letting it progress finally with the much delayed single EurAsian continent it has always been part of, before the schism. If WE the peoples of Europe dumbly let them do it AGAIN.
They have already moved their industries and ‘brands’ to the now daily more rancid ‘New World’ USA, currently being readied for total control of their slaves the neoreligion loser golden billion minion world. Thinking that such Names of Businesses will retain value that they will be avble to trade with the ‘outside World’.
It’s delusion on a stick.
A neutered, blinded, dumbed down weakling transhuman Waster era, on a ‘fantasy continental island’ of North America, worshipping their few SuperMen dynastic families. Until that new new Camelot too collapses under the inbred, dead end, mad as hatters petty Caesars. But the fascist imperium and control by their TechBro secret police praetorians being rushed into deployment. The great secret weapons! AI/ID and Thought Crime punishments.
It has already showed its rancid ankles – all the scions who couldn’t think themselves out of a wet paper bag but are worshipped by the minions for being geniuses! Examples such as Bozo the clown king of England, unelected EUrocrat Nazis and the Princeling Soros jnr. Etc.
As for the Old Europe? It is now clear the zioifascist idiot kings are really planning to turn it into a pile of ashes! Expecting to emerge from their deep lairs nextcentury, to take a depopulated world. They are MAD as hell and they don’t care what the rest of us think!
We are just mere slaves, animals, they can destroy at a whim, for sport, for fun …
They’ll burn down the mythical European Garden split a thousand years ago from EurAsia – finally realising they just can’t ever win against the ancient cradles of civilisations.
Which they feasted upon as tribal logisticscal experts; then shapeshifted out of these great silk, spice roads, by becoming the greatest slavers of Slavs.
Their ONLY unique civilisational invention being Money/Credit.
Its Magic properties. Which they demand is theirs alone.
So begins the final Tolkienesque journey of their imaginary mythical greatselves, the fantasy super beings. The supposed ZioKings of the World, to rule over their fellow humanity.
Using their fabricated ‘magic rings’ of Religion, monarchies, contracts, Rules for us not them, and countless neoreligions – from Capitalism to Marxism/Communism to the current saviour complexes and trans befuddlement, Fear of Others – to control the deluded punchdrunk masses.
Just simple Fascism really.
That Tolkien story ended with the World returning to Man, who remained constant in their humanity as they had for eons – steadily improving civilisations by nurturing, inventing, improving the Human Condition – the MANY.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 12 2025 10:27 utc | 76

JohnGilberts @22: “This is class war. Fight Fascism. Power to the People. Resist don’t collaborate.”
ROFL! What are you, like 12? How ignorant can you be? Since when do the (let me guess the term you would use) “lower classes” get direction from the capitalist mass median in a “class war”? Oh yeah, when they are being used as tools by the Ruling Class to fight for (a faction of) the Ruling Class.
This is no class war. This is the old Big Finance faction of the imperial oligarchy manipulating lumpen proles into burning their own neighborhoods to spite Trump. Apparently some people’s TDS is too overpowering of their intellect for them to see that.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 12 2025 10:31 utc | 77

🚨 Aircraft Crash Data (2000–2025)
✈️ Total Crashes: 36
• Boeing: 18 crashes
• Airbus: 7 crashes
• Other manufacturers: 11 crashes
📊 Crash Share by Manufacturer:
• Boeing: 50% of total crashes
• Airbus: 19.4%
• Others: 30.6%

🌍 Active Global Commercial Fleet:
• Airbus: ~13,000–14,000 planes
• Boeing: ~8,000–9,000 planes
• Others: ~1,000–2,000
🔢 Fleet Share %:
• Airbus: ~60–62%
• Boeing: ~38–40%
• Others: ~2–4%

Total Deaths in Crashes (2000–2025): 4,189
💥 Fatalities by Manufacturer:
• Boeing: 2,347 deaths (≈56%)
• Airbus: 824 deaths (≈19.7%)
• Others: 1,018 deaths (≈24.3%)
(Source: Grok & ChatGPT-powered research.)
https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/24982

Posted by: too scents | Jun 12 2025 11:15 utc | 78

3 days of bullshit across the entire UK media regarding Rachel Reeves spending plans.
It is the creme da la creme of how to run a propaganda outfit. How to portray the UK as a Euro using EU member state.
A lesson on how to herd sheep.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 12 2025 11:24 utc | 79

This is no class war. This is the old Big Finance faction of the imperial oligarchy manipulating lumpen proles into burning their own neighborhoods to spite Trump. Apparently some people’s TDS is too overpowering of their intellect for them to see that.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 12 2025 10:31 utc | 78
Jesus, how dumb you have to be to believe that complete bullshit William ?
It’s unconstitutional to walk into home depot and start taking people off the street like a bunch of Nazis who are in the US legally.
If they arrested you on that street to deport you how would you act you dummy. It is your intelligence that is a ground zero here as you continue to defend unconstitutional behaviour. Make up complete fairy tales to defend Trump.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 12 2025 11:32 utc | 80

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 12 2025 10:31 utc | 78
Notice how they went from fake gang members to people working in Home depot and 7/11’s and you never said a word?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We did, most of us noticed your complete silence at defending the constitution.
What is it William are you are racist or just a plain vanilla fascist ? What is it you have to be one of the two or is it both ?
I’ll leave actual defenders of the constitution with the last word on the matter William.
Here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xs9Z7RCN20
What do you say to those two William ?
“That Big Finance is manipulating lumpen proles into burning their own neighborhoods to spite Trump.”
You are insane William !
Please don’t bother me with your bleeding heart conservative bullshit. I can smell your hypocrisy from the other side of the Atlantic.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 12 2025 11:43 utc | 81

Ahmedabad plane crash: Air India’s Boeing 787 with 242 on board crashes minutes after takeoff from Ahmedabad airport https://indianexpress.com/article/india/ahmedabad-plane-crash-air-india-london-passengers-dead-toll-10062448/?ref=hometop_hp
Pingshan Factory Fire: How Unpaid Wages Spark Tragedy and Unions Stay Silent https://clb.org.hk/en/content/pingshan-factory-fire-how-unpaid-wages-spark-tragedy-and-unions-stay-silent
Mexican and Palestinian Flag-Waving Terrorist Not Welcome https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/mexican-and-palestinian-flag-waving https://tinyurl.com/5d4e2xcy

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Jun 12 2025 11:50 utc | 82

All US bases in the ME have been put on full alert – Al Udeid base in Qatar, in now in a full state of combat readiness – Trump has convened a security meeting with top military officials in the Whitehouse. Us tankers are airborne over Iraq.
Al Udeid airbase has begun non-essential base personnel.
An attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities – or an attack on Gaza?
“A squadron of Israeli jets have lifted off from Nevatim Air Base right now.”
https://nitter.poast.org/MonitorX99800/status/1932871268123935163#m
“The US ordered the evacuation of family members and non-essential personnel from Bahrain and Kuwait – the American Embassy in Baghdad is preparing for an evacuation due to heightened security risks in the region. Should Israel attack Iran, Iran will immediately strike Israel’s secret and undeclared nuclear weapons facilities, which are now known to Iran after receiving classified information about Israel’s nuclear program.”
https://nitter.poast.org/IranObserver0
Can’t confirm this.
“The attack on Iran is planned as early as Sunday,” – Israeli Channel 14 – this as well.
“Do not travel outside Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Be’er Sheva until further notice,” – US Embassy in Israel.”
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu cancels his plans of visiting the north of Israel, including the Golan region”
And this.
” An emergency session of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council will be held today with top military and IRGC Commander.
According to reports, Iran has developed a full-scale retaliation plan involving a massive missile and drone counterattack in the event of an Israeli strike.
Iran’s Response May Include:
Launch of hundreds of medium-range ballistic missiles, including:
▪️ Emad-1
▪️ Fattah-2
▪️ Khorramshahr-4
▪️ Sejjil-2
▪️ Shihab-3B/C/D
Deployment of 1,500–2,000 kamikaze drones, including the:
▪️ Shahed-136
▪️ Jet-powered Shahed-238
All IRGC and Iranian Army units have reportedly been placed on high alert”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 12 2025 12:07 utc | 83

Social media is rife with reports that Trump is in the early stages of dementia – he’s been spotted wearing a catheter under his trousers, a “Foley catheter. Urinary incontinence is a symptom of late stage Prefrontal Temporal Dementia.”
If its true – these are the characterisations of it.
“Frontotemporal dementia is characterised by abnormal protein clumps within brain cells, thought to impair their function significantly.
This condition can result in alterations to personality, behaviour, and communication abilities, including language and speech.
Incontinence in individuals with this type of dementia may be due to a range of symptoms such as disinhibition, compulsive actions, distractibility, and reduced self-awareness.
A Foley catheter is used to drain urine from the bladder into an external collection bag.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 12 2025 12:08 utc | 84

juliania | Jun 12 2025 9:38 utc | 74
I gone back and looked into it a lot more. Hasidim I don’t think was necessarily Zionist as such. Zionism in eastern Europe and Ukraine seems to be more a reaction to persecution. an organization prior to world Zionist organization was founded in 1880. In 1897 the World Zionist Organization formed. Britain backed its formation.
This is how early Britain was into Zionism.

In May 1879, Oliphant was in Istanbul in the Ottoman Empire, petitioning the Sublime Porte for permission to establish a Jewish agricultural colony in the Holy Land and settling large numbers of Jews there (this was prior to the first wave of Jewish settlement by Zionists in 1882).[5] He did not see it as an impossible task in view of the large numbers of Christian believers in the United States and England who supported that plan.[5] With financial support from Christadelphians and others in Britain, Oliphant amassed sufficient funding to purchase land and settle Jewish refugees in the Galilee.[8][better source needed]
While awaiting an appointment with the Sublime Porte, Oliphant traveled to Romania to discuss his proposed agricultural settlements with the Jewish communities there.[5]
The long-awaited meeting with the Sublime Porte finally took place in April 1880, and Oliphant’s plan was dismissed.[5] In the opinion of Henry Layard, British Ambassador to the Sublime Porte at the time of Oliphant’s visit, the effort failed because Oliphant spoke about how the return of the Jews to Palestine would bring the second coming of Jesus – language and ideas that the Sultan found uncongenial.[5]
When a wave of pogroms swept the Russian Empire in 1881, most notably the Kiev pogrom, charitable funds were raised in London under the aegis of the Mansion House Committee, a group created for the purpose. When the committee announced that the funds would be used to help the Jewish refugees resettle in America, Oliphant published an article in The Times on February 15, 1881, asserting that Jews who chose to settle in Palestine would have their religion safeguarded; his article met with such enthusiasm among Polish and Russian Jews that the Mansion House Committee appointed him commissioner to Galicia.[5] Oliphant and his wife, Alice, who had reunited in 1882, traveled to Vienna and Galicia, meeting with representatives of Eastern Jews and promising that “as soon as your Christian sympathizers in England are convinced the Jews fleeing from Russia can settle with safety in the land of their ancestors, then they will contribute thousands, I may well say, hundreds of thousands of pounds to promote this great object.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Oliphant_(author)#External_links

And this
On 10 March 1896, Herzl was visited by Reverend William Hechler, the Anglican minister to the British Embassy in Vienna. Hechler had read Herzl’s Der Judenstaat, and the meeting became central to the eventual legitimization of Herzl and Zionism.[42] Herzl later wrote in his diary, “Next we came to the heart of the business. I said to him: (Theodor Herzl to Rev. William Hechler) I must put myself into direct and publicly known relations with a responsible or non responsible ruler – that is, with a minister of state or a prince. Then the Jews will believe in me and follow me. The most suitable personage would be the German Kaiser.”[43] Hechler arranged an extended audience with Frederick I, Grand Duke of Baden, in April 1896. The Grand Duke was the uncle of the German Emperor Wilhelm II. Through the efforts of Hechler and the Grand Duke, Herzl publicly met Wilhelm II in 1898. The meeting significantly advanced Herzl’s and Zionism’s legitimacy in Jewish and world opinion
Though Zionism may have arisen purely due to pogroms and such in eastern Europe / Ukraine, it is Britain that made it what it is today. From early on, the were big promoters of moving European jews to Palestine eve3n when it was part of the ottoman empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 12:09 utc | 85

I watched an interview of the Australian reporter shot in the leg with a rubber bullet.She said there were small crowds and she had been walking with them, then in late afternoon, there was suddenly thousands on the streets.
Sounds like an organized riot.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 12:17 utc | 86

https://x.com/Conflict_Radar/status/1932903731953033501
Stratotanker took off from SA. Immediately turned off transponder.

Posted by: Mary | Jun 12 2025 13:08 utc | 87

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 11 2025 21:28 utc | 17
Too late. The war with Iran, martial law, whatever, will lock in Trump. Continuity & all…

Posted by: Mary | Jun 12 2025 13:15 utc | 88

A accident or an attack?
“An explosion at the largest US air base in the Asia-Pacific region has left at least four Japanese servicemen injured.
The blast happened at the US Kadena Air Base located in Yomitan village, Okinawa prefecture, Japan, on Monday at around 11:20 a.m. local time as servicemen were preparing to carry out bomb disposal operations.
Local media citing military sources reported at least four members of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces (SDF) were injured in the explosion at a munitions storage depot.
The four injured SDF members were taken to hospital following the incident, suffering injuries including burns to their fingers. None of the injured are in critical condition.
The SDF’s unexploded ordnance disposal team runs the facility inside the US air base, using it to temporarily store unexploded munitions meant to be disposed.
Both Japanese and American military officials have yet to issue statements after a full assessment of the extent of the damage.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 12 2025 13:26 utc | 89

Shrill hysteria from the Magic Money Tree dembot @82 confirms my claim that the riots are manufactured.
Of course, there is also the Associated Press and CNN and so on listing the times and locations for this weekend’s festivities as solid proof the riots are manufactured. Answer honestly now, when was the last time the capitalist mass media advertised for a ”protest event” in that manner? I mean, other than the riots in 2020, which were also manufactured by the Establishment?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 12 2025 13:55 utc | 90

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:58 utc | 59
thanks tom… it looks like a good book!

Posted by: james | Jun 12 2025 14:00 utc | 91

Re: Riots or Insurrection ?
If this expands through the weekend, the it starts counting as an insurrection.
Cholo Gang Bangers are fairly organized. Gunfire doesn’t phase them. They’ll relish rumbling with chubby SWAT paramilitaries used to killing unarmed children. I’m guessing the gang bangers have already deployed “neighborhood watch” squads 24/7.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 12 2025 14:04 utc | 92

https://www.newsweek.com/satellite-photo-shows-us-fighters-bombers-key-air-base-2083771
This image captured by the European Space Agency’s Sentinel-2 satellites on June 9 shows military aircraft at the Diego Garcia base.
New satellite imagery reveals a significant concentration of U.S. military aircraft and bombers on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, including strategic B-52 bombers, KC-135 tankers, F-15 fighters and a C-5M heavy transport aircraft—a buildup signaling enhanced readiness for potential operations amid regional tensions.

Posted by: Mary | Jun 12 2025 14:08 utc | 93

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 12:09 utc | 86
This is my understanding as well. While the Israel idea existed at the periphery of Judaism, the Jews did not want to leave their prosperous lives in European cities to move to the dessert. Why would they? Fortunately for the Zionists, Hitler happened to come along and made their dreams possible. He had impeccable timing really, just as the world was shifting entirely to oil.

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 12 2025 14:25 utc | 94

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 12:09 utc |
This Zionism idea was pushed by the British Monarchy as a remnant of the Crusades. It was a movement in Protestant long before it had real traction in the Jewish community. Herzl’s efforts were largely unsuccessful. The Zionists owe everything to Hitler.

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 12 2025 14:33 utc | 95

India Boeing Dreamliner crash in Ahmedebad.
Any suspicions of geopolitical implications?
I’ll get the ball rolling. Tin foil hats at the ready.
Both Modi and Jaishankar are from the Gujarat region.
Ahmedabad is their main city and backyard.
Full of hospitals with international patients in and out.
Major business interests.
Home of many of the worlds richest Indian diaspora.
Not playing ball with the ZioFascist imperial suicidal escalation plans as it faces the end of hegemony?
Have a slap.
Hit on Boeing too.
Expect b’s on the case.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 12 2025 14:34 utc | 96

I’ll get the ball rolling. Tin foil hats at the ready.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 12 2025 14:34 utc | 97

I’ll lay 5:1 odds that the tragedy was caused by Boeing’s self serving managerial incompetence.
It’ll be something super stoopid. A glitch that caused the airplane to re-boot during takeoff.
Stock buybacks don’t fly.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 12 2025 14:48 utc | 97

Deniz | Jun 12 2025 14:33 utc | 96
Yes. From the reading I did, WZO and the group that formed prior in Ukraine/ eastern Europe split the Jewish population. I think there was several large groups opposing one wanting assimilation and the other what was called cultural Zionism (I think it was two groups rather than both being one and the same) I think that opposition lasted until Hitlers Germany.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 15:28 utc | 98

Though Zionism may have arisen purely due to pogroms and such in eastern Europe / Ukraine, it is Britain that made it what it is today. From early on, the were big promoters of moving European jews to Palestine eve3n when it was part of the ottoman empire.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 12 2025 12:09 utc | 86
Thank you, Peter, but you misunderstood my post. If you go back to it (74), you will see that I quoted you and understood you to be asking:’What caused the European jews to start going back to the Torah at that time?’
So, I wasn’t questioning your research on later events but answering that specific question. In no way did I implicate the Hasidim; if anything, I saw the Hasidim as breaking from the structured form of the faith that excluded ordinary people from participating in ‘sayso’ about what that faith could mean.
It was out of what I am calling ‘the structured form of the faith’ that the misunderstandings and ignorance represented by zionism have developed. I don’t disagree with any of your own explorations on the matter.
Buber, to me, is a hero of anti-zionism, as he points out where the two trails of the faith diverged and what it really represents in its better religious path, one of subtle inclusion of other faiths, as he developed in his thesis “I and Thou”.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 12 2025 15:32 utc | 99

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 12 2025 4:52 utc | 56
exactly
If you don’t give us a reason to escalate we shall create one
…works at home as well as abroad

Posted by: ld | Jun 12 2025 15:43 utc | 100