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June 25, 2025
Mark Sleboda – What the Hell Just Happened in the Middle East You May Ask?

Mark Sleboda is summarizing his view of the current episode in the war on Iran (slightly edited for clarity):

What the Hell Just Happened in the Middle East You May Ask?

My take –

The US/Israel realized:

  • that their regime change plans were not coming to fruition,
  • that the Iranian govt had more support and stronger foundations than they had believed,
  • that Israeli air defense was collapsing/exhausted and
  • that an attrition war of long range strike was going to go badly for Israel.
  • And Trump began to get freaked out over the rising price of oil with the Iranian threat of closing the strait of Hormuz.

So they wrapped it up, declared victory, and demanded a ceasefire.

Iran agreed because they too have been badly shaken through Israeli covert warfare and their own air defense all but collapsed.

The can will only be kicked down the road, and both sides will start rebuilding, and making preparations and plans for the next round, the next war. This was only a skirmish at the end of the day …

Iran, for surviving, maintaining a civilian nuclear enrichment program, and for the fact that it was the US/Israel that pushed for the "ceasefire", comes out slightly ahead on points.

The biggest loser – the collapse of the NNPT and international law.

Israel is already thinking about restarting the war.

But in the long term Sleboda's last point is the most important one. The Non-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty has kept a cap on the number of countries with nuclear weapons. The attack on Iran's civilian nuclear installation, and the lack of a serious IAEA's reaction to it, proves that the NNTP fails to provide the security it once had promised.

No only Iran will take conclusions from that.

Iran's parliament has, for good reasons, decided to stop all cooperation with the IAEA.

It seems to have support for this from Russia:

"IAEA Director-General Rafael Grossi could have provided a more precise report," [Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei] Lavrov said. "He is now insisting that Iran grant the agency immediate access to its nuclear facilities to verify the whereabouts of enriched materials and assess the situation on the ground. But where are the assurances that this information won’t be leaked? I see no such safeguards."

Lavrov also pointed to broader concerns about the neutrality of international institutions. "This ties into what I mentioned earlier: the West is exerting serious influence over the secretariats of international organizations. In some cases, it’s as though they have been effectively privatized," he remarked.

The West is demolishing the international order that had, for the last 80 years, provided some 'rules of the road' in global behavior. The U.S. is preventing the World Trade Organization from doing its job. The agreements that limited nuclear weapons were done away with one by one. The recent conflict blew up the NNPT and further diminished the UN Charter.

The consequences go far beyond the Middle East. They makes the world less peaceful.

Comments

No to mention all those who are touting murder and assasination as legimate means of international diplomacy and politics.
How precise and victimless! How very humane.

Posted by: js | Jun 25 2025 17:28 utc | 101

wobblie 76,
Putin’s invasion of Ukraine” to use your words, was a direct result of two things, the wholesale slaughter of ethno/cultural Russians by today’s Galician Waffen SS brown-shirts and Nato bringing it’s armaments, which include nuclear weapons, if you hadn’t heard, right up to Russia’s borders. Had Russia pulled the same stunt in Mexico it would now be a sea of glass.
To you point “I am sure Ukrainian->ex-ukrainia’s scientist are hard at work remaking that deterrent“, whatever the borders of the rump state of Galicia dominated ex-ukrainia, those weapons will be further west than Poland/Finland and as a result the nuclear schemes of it’s eventual masters less of a concern to Russia than Nato’s current nuclear weapons that are pointed at Moscow. BTW, the mechanics of “building a bomb” are well known, the difficult part is obtaining the required enriched – Uranium-235 and Plutonium-239, without England/France/Israeli/Israeli-American’s help all of “Ukrainian->ex-ukrainia’s scientists hard work” will amount to nothing.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 25 2025 17:30 utc | 102

If a fraction of Iran’s missile hits were nuclear, there wouldn’t be a ceasefire. There would be no Israel at all.
Posted by: Centinel | Jun 25 2025 16:23 utc | 58
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If Iran already had nukes, there never would have been this war at all, is the thing.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 25 2025 17:37 utc | 103

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 25 2025 17:18 utc | 93
Good points.
However, the Space Shuttle has a heat-resistant shield on its underside to protect it from the heat of re-entry at orbital speed. So it’s possible/likely that hypersonic missiles use similar protection.
But that’s a relatively minor problem compared to figuring out how to build a rocket with enough grunt to comfortably exceed Mach 5. Quickly.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 25 2025 17:43 utc | 104

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re: GAZA Genocide
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Since Gaza remains ‘unresolved’, very disturbing images continue to flood out 50-100 martyred daily, and remains IGNORED mostly by mainstream media, as if its an unreality.
Everyone’s worried about OIL, GOLD, STOCK markets, and that’s how materialistic we remain collectively.
It is quite shocking that we are still witnessing this to this day and not 1 single coverage in the Western society, if so, it is brushed aside quickly to amnesia.
Will Israel further its revenge on the Palestinians because they lost to Iran?
Has this been written in history and there is no turning back?

Posted by: RoB | Jun 25 2025 17:43 utc | 105

“Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, the one nation to voluntarily surrender its nuclear weapons demonstrated that NNP was a joke. Russia guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty over its 1991 borders as a condition. I am sure Ukrainian scientist are hard at work remaking that deterrent. Any nation that does not want to be a vassal state in the new multi-polar world better start enriching as much uranium as they can get.”
Posted by: wobblie | Jun 25 2025 17:00 utc | 76
Those weapons belonged to the Russian Federation as successor to the USSR, not to the newly created state of Ukraine. Ukraine had no rights to them, and they were allowed statehood because they agreed to return them to Russia. They also declared, in their constitution, to remain forever a neutral state. When they revoked the neutrality clause and sought to join NATO they essentially declared themselves an enemy of Russia. This is why they were attacked. Retaining the Russian nukes was never on the table as an option when they chose independence.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2025 17:45 utc | 106

Posted by: wobblie | Jun 25 2025 17:00 utc | 76
All supposedly Ukrainian nukes were USSR nukes.
At the time Noone, expecially in the west would want nukes in the hands of corrupted Ukrainians, they will probably end being sold all around the world.
By the way Ukraine probably would never be able to properly maintain them.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 25 2025 17:47 utc | 107

Jane @ # 75. Rutte has been spending too much time with D.Duck. Idiot remarks must be contagious. Cheers

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jun 25 2025 17:47 utc | 108

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153669
“🇮🇷☢️Iranian Foreign Ministry:
Nuclear facilities severely damaged by US strikes.”
A wise thing to say.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2025 17:49 utc | 109

karlof1@1501 June 25
In many respects, the Iranians have earned the respect of the thinking world. As you point out, however, Iran went all agreeable without getting at least an on paper agreement that the Izzy genocide on Gaza would be their bottom line. That factor is the most horrific mass murder since Hiroshima and Nagasaki..and that without some level of trepitation regarding the possibility of ongoing Japanese army resistance if the home islands would be directly assaulted.
More discerning researchers are full well aware that Emperor Hirohito and his coterie were ready to surrender weeks before those bombings.
Nevertheless, the outrages against both Gaza and the West Bank continue. If negotiations could be kept quiet; Iran could persuade the Collective Wa$te that degradation of the Zionist Entity would continue iunlessthe Izzies simply began pulling their troops and bombing planes away from Gaza..as well as the “settlers” being instructed to fuck off in their depredations on the West Bank.
Likely the Houthis will maintain their relative pinpricks in support of the primary victims of Izzy aggression. But it is imperative that one way or another, Iran needs to at least get the word out in private notifications. That policy would enable the Zios to save a bit of face. Refusal would reignite more destruction in Occupied Palestine…That should be the bottom line.

Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 25 2025 17:49 utc | 110

Some are talking about how Iran refusing to sign a defense pact with Russia was a mistake. How many people read the pact? How can Iran make a defense pact with Russia when they are Israel Firsters? Has everyone forgotten how Putin allowed the evil state of Israel to bomb Syria whenever they wanted? Have people forgotten how Putin easily forgave Netanyahu for killing Russian soldiers in Syria? He even invited him to the big parade. You can not make a defense pact with someone when they are best friends with your enemy. Russia still trades with the evil colonial state of Israel despite them working with Ukraine. That should tell everyone how strong the bond between Russia and the evil colony is.
I think Iran handled themselves well. They need more confidence and boldness in their actions. Iran showed it has the weapons to take on colonial Israel and win. During this war, we saw Israelis packing and leaving on buses, boats and planes. Do people understand what a big deal that is? This was happening with Iran not even bombing the airports, shelters, hospitals, apartment buildings, roads etc.
For the next round, Iran needs to be brutal. Do what Ansar Allah would do if they had Iranian weapons.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 25 2025 17:50 utc | 111

fanto | Jun 25 2025 17:19 utc | 94–
Thanks for your reply. How to target scientists if they aren’t spied upon? One presumes they teach; so, if not when at home or at the secret lab, then at the classroom. And would Iran, China, Russia, et al, adopt the terror tactics they abhor?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2025 17:52 utc | 112

This is an interesting article. It has maps that show where Israel has bombed in 5 different countries in the past 20 months. Also includes lists of Israeli weapons, and pictures of some of the damage done to Israel by Iran (keep scrolling to see those near the end of the article). It is hard to find images of damage in Israel, since the gov’t is not allowing journalists in. People have also complained that their cell phone pictures are being deleted at check points.
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Mapping Israel’s expanding battlefronts across the Middle East
Israel has launched nearly 35,000 attacks across five countries over the past 20 months.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/25/mapping-israels-expanding-battlefronts-across-the-middle-east

Posted by: teri | Jun 25 2025 17:58 utc | 113

Dialogue Works
Alastair Crooke: Iran–Israel Ceasefire? Inside the 12‑Day War & Trump’s Peace Deal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vdLreNqWc
Must see!

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 25 2025 18:00 utc | 114

RoB #105 and Jane. I have been continuously posting about the ongoing escalating slaughter in Gaza. Jane’s question concerning the missed opportunity to breach some Gaza walls (ie the Jail Cell) are apt. IMHO the Evil Empire’s bombing of Iran was indeed a get rich game show but as to Iran’s response, while certainly valiant and successful in the sense that for example Haifa port is shut down, there is the larger question: What about Gaza?
The UN, world stage, BRICS (notably silent. What’s up Brazil?) seem to have abandoned Gaza. It’s still a daily slaughter. Damn Izzyhell. RoB I think you think I am reducing the question to one of simply money. No, I’m not. They are. As far as I know, Brazil is still selling oil to Izzyhell – if they can unload it. So much for principles and multi-polarity. Pull the oil and money plug and that’s the end of Izzyhell.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jun 25 2025 18:03 utc | 115

Was this a learning curve by Iran? Remember how rough Russia went about it’s SMO in the beginning? But they got progressively stronger day by day. Just how much did Iran learn by allowing the US strike to occur (although proof that it occurred exactly as reported is sketchy). I am sure it was invaluable for future defensive efforts (for Russia and China, too) Also, this is awesome for Iran because now they can pummel Israel with their conventional weapons and say “we have no nukes, just like Trump claims, we are just using conventional”. Surely this is not over. The US won’t stop until it gets it’s regime change. The best part is that now the entire world sees the “empire” for what it is. Reminds me of the song “Liar”.

Posted by: CeaClearly | Jun 25 2025 18:04 utc | 116

No, seriously, they’re fucking stupid. I have zero confidence in positive change. An army of fucking morons elected Biden (despite his long record) and Trump (despite his first term and campaign record). “Sheeple” is being kind.
Yeah, I’m not in “marketing”…. 😉
Yes, I make excuses for young people but not the over-40 crowd who should’ve learned but didn’t. Among my peers, they still turn to the same lying misinfo outlets that lied to them the last time.
The only vote that counts is voting with your feet.
Posted by: I forgot | Jun 25 2025 16:42 utc | 66
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Nearly all of the ordinary folk I’ve ever known have been woefully ignorant of affairs beyond their immediate family, friends, neighborhood, work, or favorite sports teams. This, as far as I have been able to tell, has been due to sheer indifference. They weren’t born stupid. They often can tell you all about (American football reference) a cover 2 defense or the attributes needed by a slot reciever compared to a wide-out. That’s what interests them. But they get pretty much all of their knowledge of the outside world from a 30 minute nightly news program watched, maybe, a few times a week. If I ever try to talk to them on subjects like the ones discussed here, if I’m reading their expressions correctly, they’re thinking, “I always thought you were a dork.” Around where I live, we can discuss bullet loads all day long. I don’t know what to make of that, except to say that if some “deep state” IS trying to control everything, the people I know make it as easy for them as they can.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 25 2025 18:05 utc | 117

Formerly Miss Lacy | Jun 25 2025 18:03 utc | 115
Stop the military support and subsidies and their military would be crippled. Deny ammo and spare parts and it would be finished.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2025 18:06 utc | 118

If Iran already had nukes, there never would have been this war at all
Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 25 2025 17:37 utc | 103
Why not? who cares? Russia showed the world that having nukes doesn’t matter, the only important thing is to shoot artillery shells to make holes on empty fields for the mole overlords

Posted by: rk | Jun 25 2025 18:07 utc | 119

Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 25 2025 17:13 utc | 87
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Not sure what you are talking about in this post.
Posted by: Jane | Jun 25 2025 17:19 utc | 95
Talking about “Calexit”, California secession movement. It’ll probably never make the ballot, but who knows?
You know the tide is turning when the empire’s regime-change efforts have the opposite effect, like they have apparently in Russia, and hopefully in Iran. Ironically, if the empire’s enemies turned their regime-change efforts to the USA, Israel, NATO, I think those populations are ripe for regime change.
For example, if the USA’s political leaders started getting assassinated, like Iran’s, I’m certain a very large percentage, possibly >50%, would cheer. I think our rulers are very much fearful of this, indicated by their actions spying, censoring, disarming, suspending civil liberties, etc., and by their “peaceful transition of power” mantra that’s supposedly a hallmark of true democracy (i.e., democracy means never having to say you’re sorry).
I’m hopeful that the Luigi Mangione trial becomes a showcase for these ideas.

Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 25 2025 18:08 utc | 120

aristodemos | Jun 25 2025 17:49 utc | 110–
Thanks for your reply. IMO, Ansarallh will take advantage of the Zionist AD degrading to continue to destruction at two main targets: Ben Gurion airport and the port of Haifa to further their economic siege strategy. Ansarallah joined Iran in its attacks but what their success rate was is unknown as is almost all such info.
Iran ought to know the reason the Outlaw US Empire and its Zionist ally target it for regime change. The primary reason is hydrocarbon control and the second is Iran’s support for Palestinians. And the Zionists are Iran’s enemy primarily because of their genocide of Palestinians. So, IMO, more targeting of Zionist military close to Gaza and within the West Bank needed to occur–we know not much was done by Iran’s own admission.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2025 18:11 utc | 121

Posted by: RoB | Jun 25 2025 17:43 utc | 105
(Gaza)
abc.net.au/News reports daily Gaza casualties every day. They also report on the IOF Scum’s bullshit reasons for distributing “aid” in a corral within in a free-fire zone. Daily.
Yesterday a Judge threw a case out of court because the Jew Lobby deployed so much unreasonable influence, against the plaintif, that an unbiased trial was rendered impossible. Thus
effectively telling The Jew Lobby to STFU.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 25 2025 18:13 utc | 122

Listening to the statements coming out of the US govt. and from many Americans is depressing. The complete lack of humility, honesty, integrity, decency I believe and I hope has the entire world rethinking it’s relationship with America. The ugliness is more than skin deep. Stay away from us.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 25 2025 18:15 utc | 123

The only vote that counts is voting with your feet.
Posted by: I forgot
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True. Its a lot easier than most people think. Our forefather left their homeland for better pastures, you can too. Your grandchildren will thank you.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2025 18:16 utc | 124

Having already read far too much today I haven’t read this thread. If anyone else is saying the same then good for them.
I suspect some here still don’t get it, maybe they can’t, that’s what they act like.
0. Please don’t make up or propagate new names instead of the old ones:

“The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-Proliferation Treaty or NPT

1. The destruction of the NPT will have much larger consequences than more nuclear weapons, because nuclear weapons aren’t all that practical for most things. Nor cheap or easy.
Most of all it will encourage breaking any and all rules.
The rest follows by itself. “Everyone” has said it over and over.
Gaza becomes the future.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 25 2025 18:17 utc | 125

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 25 2025 15:04 utc | 23
Thank you, Grieved! I understood that one and I agree.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 25 2025 18:31 utc | 126

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 25 2025 17:50 utc | 111
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🇮🇷 🇨🇳 The Iranian Defence Minister has travelled to China on an official visit.
Iranian Defence Minister Brigadier General Pilot Nasirzadeh arrived in Beijing, the capital of China, hours ago.
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Hence why Russia is somewhat ignored…. your absolutely correct with the Syria debacle, disastrous collapse was because of how it was handled, and the constant strikes allowed from Israel even when Russia was within a few feet, regardless of the ‘Guarantors of Peace’ is trash. If Iran is making flip-flop deals with uncle Trump, Russia and Israel are in cahoots, and Iran should never ever trust the Russkies.

Posted by: RoB | Jun 25 2025 18:34 utc | 127

There are reports that the number of dead is 500.000. I think there is some truth to this if you consider the fact that colonial Israel has destroyed 90 percent of the buildings in Gaza. Killed paramedics and prevented people from being rescued.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 25 2025 18:36 utc | 128

The Americans are very lucky with their super-duper presidents, Bush, Clinton, Obama, the dead man walking Biden, and now the narcissistic Orange man!
Bloody lucky, really!

Posted by: dodor | Jun 25 2025 18:37 utc | 129

Was the Haifa port severely damaged, but due to military censorship, Israel is hiding that fact by only releasing carefully vetted images?

Posted by: Cable Guy | Jun 25 2025 18:38 utc | 130

The slaughter continues. Butcher Bibi wants to stay out of jail so he can keep on killing. D.Duck wants to keep on killing so he and Jared can build that golf course. Is Yemen the only one to stand up?
I appreciate you all who have such profound knowledge of weaponry but it comes down to No Money No Oil = No more killing.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250625-israel-killed-more-than-90-palestinians-on-tuesday/

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jun 25 2025 18:42 utc | 131

Craig Murray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scedfdgkMtg
“A phantom ceasefire.”
Ray McGovern & John Helmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYAX8k3ltc
“A sequence of US-led imperial wars.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 25 2025 18:42 utc | 132

Posted by: Cable Guy | Jun 25 2025 18:38 utc | 130
Colonial Israel censors so much because it does not want its citizens to know how badly it got hit or people might want to leave. It also needs its friends to think it is beating its enemies otherwise they might force it to surrender.
Despite its claims that it did not suffer much damage from Hezbollah, many of its citizens still refuse to return to the North.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 25 2025 18:47 utc | 133

If Iran already had nukes, there never would have been this war at all
Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 25 2025 17:37 utc | 103
Why not? who cares? Russia showed the world that having nukes doesn’t matter, the only important thing is to shoot artillery shells to make holes on empty fields for the mole overlords
Posted by: rk | Jun 25 2025 18:07 utc | 119
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In the case of the Ukrainian err,… action, if both sides had had nukes it would never have become the full-on, actual war that it is now, I don’t think. I don’t mean to advocate that everyone have nukes, because if everyone did, the chance for the unthinkable would increase. I’m arguing instead that if Iran should feel that it NEEDS to acquire nukes that there are quite understandable reasons for that.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Jun 25 2025 18:48 utc | 134

teri # 113. Thanks.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jun 25 2025 18:49 utc | 135

Marcus Aurelius:
Let us pretend that you are a loving daughter, and I..a good father
Lucilla:
This is a pleasant fiction, is it not?
US Meeting With Iran Next Week, Trump Says, While Suggesting Nuclear Deal Is No Longer Necessary
“We’re going to talk to them next week, with Iran. We may sign an agreement, I don’t know. To me, I don’t think it’s that necessary. I mean, they had a war, they fought, now they’re going back to their world. I don’t care if I have an agreement or not,” Trump said during a news conference
So…Toto reveals to Dorthy “the man behind the curtain” and if that’s the story, its as Lucilla said; “a pleasant fiction”. I’d give the source but that news feed is censored by MOA for reasons unknown to me.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 25 2025 18:53 utc | 136

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 25 2025 17:50 utc | 111
I agree with most of your points, especially the part about trusting Russia. But I think Putin’s friendship with Israel is, in many ways, driven by Russia’s national interests. A large number of Russian Jews live in Israel, many of them with significant wealth and influence — and money speaks. Israel also quietly helps Russia evade some sanctions, whether through business, dual nationals, or backdoor trade. At the end of the day, Putin is probably doing a cold calculation, weighing expendable regional players — including Muslims — against the political and financial leverage of Russian-Jewish oligarchs abroad.

Posted by: Cable Guy | Jun 25 2025 18:54 utc | 137

@Cable Guy | Jun 25 2025 18:38 utc | 130

Was the Haifa port severely damaged, but due to military censorship, Israel is hiding that fact by only releasing carefully vetted images?

Yes, and they are hiding much more. The fact that the censorship is total should tell us enough about the level of damage.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 25 2025 18:57 utc | 138

IMO, what we have here is a “Kayfabe* War” followed by a “Kayfabe Peace”, and I’m fine with that, because it’s surely better than the Real War which it replaced. 
Israel attacked Iran with bombs, missiles, drones, and targeted assassinations of key leaders.
Iran responded with missile attacks on Israel.  (Drones too, but none of those got through).
This went on for a week or so; neither side was really “winning”, but I’d say that Israel was losing more (and if it continued, they were likely to run out of air-defense weapons before Iran ran out of missiles…).  Israel’s only hope – indeed, probably their original intent – was to drag Uncle Sugar in to win the war for them.
In this one case, we’re lucky that Trump is President (never thought I’d ever say or write anything like that!).  Any conventional politician – Republican or Democrat – would have mouthed all the usual platitudes about “our ally Israel” and (reluctantly but irrevocably?) committed the USA to open-ended war against Iran.  
Somehow – despite $B “campaign donations” and whatever lewd pix Mossad has – Trump found a way to thread the needle, agreeing to attack Iran (once) if Israel agreed to a cease fire after that.
The US attack on Iran was “Kayfabe”.  I’m sure we dropped real missiles and bombs, but we warned Iran about the attack in time for them to (1) evacuate people (and maybe nuke materials) and (2) avoid attacking our planes (though it’s also possible that we never actually flew B2’s over Iran).
Iran responded in kind (more Kayfabe), warning us about (details of!) their attack on our base in Qatar, which we (and mostly Qatar!?) fended off, apparently without casualties. 
The fact that the Pentagon cooperated with Iran’s military in both of these actions is remarkable, and IMO, admirable.  Of course, this is not the first case of this kind of thing: that’s roughly the story of the US missile attacks on Syria in 2019 (under Trump I).
So far, the Ceasefire is holding up well enough.  Iran will not attack Israel (directly) unless Israel attacks Iran (directly).  Israel will probably continue to assassinate people in – or allied to – Iran; Iran probably won’t be able to do much about that beyond rolling up whatever Mossad cells they can find.  Iran’s regional network (Hezbollah, etc) is in tatters, and it will take years for them to rebuild that, but they are patient.
Bibi is certainly fuming at not getting everything he wanted from Trump (bombing Iran back to the Stone Age).  Trump’s Secret Service people had better be very alert; and Democrats should avoid cheering if they fail.  (The Old GOP’s only hope for regaining control over Trump’s Mob is to be able to blame Trump’s death on Democrats).
Likewise, Democrats should just STFU about the [true] fact that the B2 attacks only set back Iran’s nuke program by a few months.  This is not the time to play “gotcha”; right now, avoiding WWIII depends on us all pretending that (1) Iran won’t build nukes, so (2) Israel shouldn’t bomb Iran.  Griping about the temporary nature of the damage to Iran’s [purported] nuke program implies that we should permanently end it; but the only way to do that is by completely destroying Iran’s industrial, technical, political and economic base… that is, to bomb back to the Stone Age, like we did with Iraq, Syria, and Libya.
The situation is still very dicey; for now, keeping the Kayfabe Ceasefire going is by far the least dangerous course.
*: “Kayfabe” is a “wrestling” term; look it up.

Posted by: elkern | Jun 25 2025 19:01 utc | 139

@RoB (127) about your conclusion that Russia betrayed Iran and that Iran should never trust the Russians.
My take on it is that the division of labor is: Russia takes care of NATO in the north, which they are doing, China deals with the US economically, which they are doing, and China helps Iran as needed against Israel / US in West Asia.
US society is crumbling daily. Europe is crumbling faster. Israel has been neutered, and basically any attack on Iran by Israel is Israelis using US equipment, fuel, food, logistics, surveillance, weapons, aircraft and everything else. Due to its compact size, Israel has been easier to neuter than Ukraine would ever be. Israel and UK have their intelligence services which can still do real damage. But that is about the extent of it.
Russia / China / Iran / North Korea seem to be 100% committed to MAGA. Make America Go Away. BUT WITHOUT NUCLEAR WAR.
This requires boiling the US frog… but only upping the temperature one degree at a time, so that the US frog gradually acclimates to the heat, and does not just jump out of the pot. The journey will be long.

Posted by: Woke American | Jun 25 2025 19:03 utc | 140

🇮🇷❗Infographic of Iranian strikes on “Israeli” assets during the 12-day war.
Strategic assets Iran targeted:
• Al-Jalil Base; Military base in the north
• Haifa Port
• Haifa Power Plant
• Haifa Oil Refinery
• Tel Nof Airbase
• Mossad HQ
• Kiryah Base, Military command HQ
• Kiryat Gat Industrial City Technology and chip-making hub
• Israeli Ministry of Defense C&C center
• Rafael Company Supplier of defense systems
• Hadar Power Plant, one of Israel’s largest power stations
• Ben Gurion Airport
• Weizmann Scientific Institute
• Israel Nuclear Research Center in the Negev
• Nevatim Airbase
• Ovda Airbase
• Unit 8200 Cyber operations intelligence HQ
Not everything is included here, only targets that were officially announced in the media.
An english version was included (google translated)
From
@AryJeay

Infographic picture
https://x.com/MonitorX99800/status/1937946883432792115

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 25 2025 19:09 utc | 141

As for empire/Israel attacking Iran again in the near future take a look at the vast majority in the last two decades on different countries. All took years of prep work on the inside.
This short lived and failed attack on Iran, three years in the making. One network of mobile drone trucks was in the trucking game. The actual truck drivers were Afghans employed three years prior.
Many networks had been set up within Iran over a time frame of years. They have all now blown their cover.
Iran will now be far more vigilant but at least three years, likely ten or more for the prep work for another attack.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 19:12 utc | 142

Remember when the ‘Special Military Operation’ (talk about propaganda against your own people) was supposed to take six months to perhaps a year at most?
You can’t sell a war of attrition to your public after all. The Russian populace is smarter than that.
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 25 2025 17:16 utc | 91
Why do you lie?
Or, if your memory is that bad, why do you comment?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 19:16 utc | 143

❗Infographic of Iranian strikes on “Israeli” assets during the 12-day war
=============
No mention of:
Ashdod Port
Ashdod Refinery
Askelon Power Plant
I saw Unconfirmed strikes on these strategic targets…..TBD if actually happened

Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2025 19:18 utc | 144

Posted by: Cable Guy | Jun 25 2025 18:54 utc | 137
Great reasons for Iran not have a defense pact with Russia. They are not dependable.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 25 2025 19:20 utc | 145

Posted by: Tom Paine | Jun 25 2025 17:07 utc | 83
Re offshoring wealth, this excellent documentary is worth barflies’ attention:
The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire.
Here it is on Vimeo:
https://vimeo.com/290438534

Posted by: Jane | Jun 25 2025 19:26 utc | 146

Dialogue Works
Alastair Crooke: Iran–Israel Ceasefire? Inside the 12‑Day War & Trump’s Peace Deal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vdLreNqWc
Must see!
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 25 2025 18:00 utc | 114
Agree. Listening to it at the mo ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 25 2025 19:30 utc | 147

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 19:16 utc | 143
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That one is an aggressive Western hasbara account.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 25 2025 19:30 utc | 148

https://x.com/MonitorX99800/status/1937946883432792115
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 25 2025 19:09 utc | 141
########################################################################
Thanks for that.
We can all sleep better at night knowing this… deserved Karma is a bitch.
The before/after videos of Tel Aviv are making its rounds – which also brings much pleasure to the entire civilized world.
There is no empathy for this wicked place.
Cheers…

Posted by: RoB | Jun 25 2025 19:31 utc | 149

….. This requires boiling the US frog…….
Its happening rught before your eyes.
federak gov’t Insolvency crisis in 2027.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2025 19:34 utc | 150

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2025 18:11 utc | 121
Not forgetting the Russia/Iran North/South trade corridor and the Trade route from China to Iran – ports – Indian Ocean and the World.
For the US this is more important than ‘The Palestinians’ which the US had written off.
Part of the ‘Great Game’ and WWIII vs Empire on the way down.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 25 2025 19:35 utc | 151

Simplicious,

⚡️🇮🇷Newsflash: All talk of Iranian vulnerabilities and weaknesses aside, Iran is the only country on earth that has directly attacked US military bases.
That’s telling.

https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1937955206420918368
2 months ago, some folks at MoA were arguing with my claim at the time that Iran was a superpower.
Not the hegemon but capable of going toe-to-toe with America in West Asia.
Like with my China analysis, I look at diplomacy and economy, not to mention military advancements. Many others rely on the Empire’s Boomer media.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 25 2025 19:36 utc | 152

70% of Zionists: We have no physical security
A new poll by the Israel Democracy Institute shows that a total of 70% of Zionists are extremely concerned about their lack of “physical security” in a war with Iran.
This rate is 66% for Jews living in the occupied territories and 61% for supporters of right-wing policies.

Posted by: RoB | Jun 25 2025 19:36 utc | 153

Geography is a huge aspect of Iran’s power.
Mountainous with a key chokepoint.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 25 2025 19:37 utc | 154

A lot of people seem to miss that this was a carefully planned over years mission to regime change Iran. It failed. They had to call it off after 12 days. The nuclear bunker bit was the fig leaf.

Posted by: Bill B | Jun 25 2025 19:39 utc | 155

What is yet more important, is the murdering of scientists, and spying on scientists who will be targeted for future assassination. This is worse than small attack drones in my view.
Posted by: fanto | Jun 25 2025 17:19 utc | 94
It’s old news, for years Russian rocket scientists and engineers were targeted almost as much as Iranian nuclear scientists. Let’s not even talk about Chinese AI scientists, china went as far as posting articles “I saw what you did there!”
https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3306394/early-deaths-top-chinese-ai-scientists-raise-concerns-about-industry-pressures

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 25 2025 19:49 utc | 156

🇵🇸⚔️🇮🇱 Al-Qassam Brigades fighter exploiting the Israeli army’s complacency near Khan Yunis.
Using debris from destroyed buildings and bomb craters for cover, he approaches an IDF Puma armored personnel carrier and throws an improvised explosive device (IED) into its open hatch.
The result: all seven Israeli soldiers inside the vehicle were killed.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/153671

— 🇮🇱/🇵🇸 NEW: The IDF has announced the deaths of Sergeant Shahar Manoav, Staff Sergeant Niv Radia, Sergeant Maayan Baruch Pearlstein, Sergeant Ronen Shapiro, Staff Sergeant Ronel Ben-Moshe, Lieutenant Matan Shai Yashinovski, and Staff Sergeant Alon Davidov, all from the 605th Combat Engineering Battalion of the 188th Brigade, who were killed in Khan Younis, southern Gaza
They were all burned alive after an explosive device detonated their armored vehicle.
In a separate incident, two soldiers from the 605th Battalion were wounded.

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/21107

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 25 2025 19:51 utc | 157

——- European nations discussed options for ‘negotiated solution to Iran’s nuclear program,’——–
Makes one wonder what was the point or tell ‘signs’ of the Europeans trying to negotiate with the Iranians on June 20th? Everyone knows the ‘nuclear deal’ was a cover.
Israel was done on June 20th, any time-frame given of 2-6months is mostly BS, that’s when the shit show was coming or at a close, another day will ‘rise’ to pierce the heart with Iranians unstoppable arrows of justice.

Posted by: RoB | Jun 25 2025 19:52 utc | 158

see the 5:43 video of Colbert and Mamdani at the first link
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1937540029271933387
Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal
No US politician ever gets asked if Palestine has the right to exist
Zohran sounds more and more like Obama as the big day approaches, he’s been professionally handled
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1937701502010950073
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
Israel estimates 11,000 people lost their home, either completely destroyed or inhabitable due to its war declaration on Iran and the Iranian missiles. The estimate material damage (not economic and its consequences, only the constructions) is estimate at 4 billion Shekls.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/21103
Middle_East_Spectator
—❗️🇺🇸/🇮🇷 CNN: ‘According to a battle damage assessment by U.S. CENTCOM, neither Iran’s highly enriched uranium was destroyed, nor the fortified underground sites at Fordow and Esfahan — most of Iran’s centrifuges are intact, and the nuclear program has only been set back 1-2 months’

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2025 19:53 utc | 159

May be, we should appreciate Iran’s military philosophy. Which after the war in UA and with ISR seems to be on top and more modern than the West’s and even Russia’s.
-Not much resources wasted on manned aircraft. Instead, drones, loitering munitions and missiles do the job. Very advanced in a variety of weapons.
-Everything is hidden underground to counter ISR, well Iran doesn’t have a lot of forest to hide, but a lot of mountains to dug into. Not much of a choice.
-Air defense is run by integrated GBAD layers and by hiding and deception. Not by aircraft. The territory is difficult to defend – once enemy aircraft or cruise missiles reach the rugged Zagros mountains, they can follow the many valleys and are out of radar view – except there would be a dedicated one for this special valley. It is almost impossible to cover the whole of Iran – no matter whether S400 is better than Bavar 373 or not – physics is the same for both
-Iran seems also to be the origin of tiny naval assets like the speedboats engaging main naval assets. Having likely also uncrewed vehicles. Something, other players found to be useful only after UA-RU started.
Military thinking of Iran seems to be correct, ahead of others …

Posted by: BG13 | Jun 25 2025 19:54 utc | 160

MOATS with George Galloway: ‘Keeping the Peace’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MViQV90TOBA
“Will it hold? Will Israel go back to war in Iran?”
With Sabby Salvati & Mohammad Marandi

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 25 2025 19:56 utc | 161

Hoarsewhisperer @ 72 & 104
It’s not materials engineering, it’s electrical engineering. The plasma is kept from skin of missile electrically. Also how the missile is steered.
US has purchased hundreds if not thousands of Russian rocket motors. We can’t figure out how they do it. The problem is lack of mathematics. Maff is rayciss and it is not taught here.
Going back to when Oreshnik was launched there was a whole series of links posted at this page on how they do it. Comments revealed that no one read them.
I put those links past a friend, a now very elderly engineer who had worked on SDI/”Star Wars”. He forwarded them to still living colleagues. Only one of them had ever even heard of the entire field of research. Why? Well, it’s in journals published in French. And OMG journals published in Russian. We don’t read that stuff. And all too math heavy for any ordinary engineer.
My SDI friend’s other longstanding comment is no one who worked on SDI who ever had an original idea could get a security clearance. My friend had no clearance because he had worked with Duke Ellington. He’d worked with plenty of outside musicians and strange people but the Duke, they knew who the Duke was and he was a goddam Communist. The people who did have clearances were in charge and were all morons. Institutional crap like that is immutable. Only worse in 2025

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 25 2025 20:05 utc | 162

I see no reason to trust the IAEA any more. a nest of spies for israel/USA. kick them out.
https://x.com/ElBaradei/status/1936735085723537678
Mohamed ElBaradei @ElBaradei
For the record:
A war of aggression against Iran, in violation of the UN Charter and basic tenets of international law, and in the absence of any imminent threat or concrete evidence from international inspection bodies and intelligence agencies of the existence of an Iranian military nuclear program…
A war that is being waged by two nuclear weapon states (one of which is outside the nuclear arms control regime #NPT) possessing thousands of nuclear weapons…
A war that clearly brings to mind the catastrophic war on #Iraq, a war based on deception and in violation of all international inspection reports stating the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq …
A war that is taking place against the backdrop of a total paralysis of the Security Council and obscene double standards by those who trumpet a rule based system…
A war that will add a huge blow to the international order, international law and institutions including the Nuclear Nonproliferation Regime …
A war that will likely have devastating effects on the peace and stability of region and its people…
Lasting peace can only be achieved through justice, mutual security and dialogue.
#Iran
#USStrike
#IsraeliranWar

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2025 20:07 utc | 163

—❗️🇮🇷/🇨🇳 NEW: Iran’s Minister of Defense, Aziz Nasirzadeh, landed in Beijing to meet with officials from the Chinese Ministry of Defense
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/21125
Steve Bannon, a political strategist and former advisor to US President Donald Trump, says the Israeli regime agreed to a ceasefire with Iran to “save” itself as the aggression it launched exceeded its capabilities.
https://t.me/presstv/146311
🔴 IRGC Chief Major General Pakpour: If enemy makes mistake, Iran will respond forcefully just as it did over past 12 days
https://t.me/presstv/146312
▶️ Lebanese citizens gathered outside the Iranian embassy in Beirut to celebrate Iran’s victory over the Israeli regime.
https://t.me/presstv/146315
Iran has reopened its airspace to international flights a day after the end of the Israeli-American war of aggression on the country, which disrupted aviation activities for nearly two weeks.
https://t.me/presstv/146316
🇮🇱⚡️🇮🇷 Tel Aviv before and after picking a fight with Iran
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43968

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 25 2025 20:09 utc | 164

arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The debt iceberg will not be denied.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 25 2025 10:25 utc | 28 (from eo thread)
———
Yes. It’s been a long road but we have reached the end of the post WW2 order and all the credibly neutral international organizations. There is now a great vacuum to be filled with something new.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 25 2025 15:48 utc | 43
——————
The great unraveling and the great rebuilding.
Looks like there are new sheriffs in town for one thing

Posted by: financial matters | Jun 25 2025 20:09 utc | 165

Empire managers will continue to press to install in Iran a government that is subservient to western finance

Posted by: Frank | Jun 25 2025 20:10 utc | 166

Karlof1 @ 112
Karl thanks for your reply;, why should anyone abhor the tactics of Israel? They – according to their phraseology – think that only ‘freiers’ fight ‘honorable wars’. And one should not forget that there might be private vendettas leading to increased number of ‘unexpected demise’ of professor here or there.
Which for me is a huge question mark for the future of civil society anywhere in the world, where the diaspora Zionists will reside.
Newbie @ 156
Thanks for your information, I have not heard about the Russian or Chinese scientists being targeted! Very strange, who was behind those?

Posted by: fanto | Jun 25 2025 20:11 utc | 167

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 25 2025 20:05 utc | 162
Didn’t the Russians arrest an American in Russia around 2000 who tried to get info on Russia’s torpedo’s which had much in common (the surrounding envelop) with these hypersonic missiles ?

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 25 2025 20:14 utc | 168

My opinion is irrelevant, but whatever, everyone has an opinion. Isn’t it?
The collapse of the Pax Americana World System, the US withdrawal from Europe, the war in the Middle East, stopping oil and gas exports from the Persian Gulf, and the confrontation with China are all links in one chain.
The US elites gave Donald Trump carte blanche at the end of 2024, understanding the negative trends and the inability to maintain the usual configuration. This is exactly what he does, acting as an anti-crisis leader, cutting to the core.
The information space is filled with rumors, assumptions and hypotheses about who, what, how, etc.
There is no need to waste time and nerves on these fortune-telling, when only a few people on the planet know about the true situation, and often the tactical decisions have not yet been made at all.
The current round of confrontation has no relation with the Iran’s nuclear program nor with a change of the Iran’ regime. That’s an excuse and a test.
This intermediate reconciliation is the preamble of a kinetic conflict to begin again in a few months, but at a higher degree of intensity.
Despite all the provocations, Iran has limited its actions by the principle of reciprocity, without increasing the level of confrontation.
All the agents understand perfectly well that in a protracted confrontation and exchange of blows, time would work for Iran.
Whether it is beneficial for Iran to relieve tension by postponing the blockade of the Persian Gulf for six months to a year, or to strangle China and Europe by depriving them of energy, is the strategic question.
From the first days it became clear that Israel alone would not take Iran out. The main effect came not from missiles, but from the work of agents, spies and saboteurs forced to take open action.
The latter dooms them to imminent failure, capture and/or destruction because during active operations, it is easy to catch them, especially when the retreat routes are blocked.
The successes of the first days were quickly replaced by an exchange of blows, where the balance has been in favor of Iran.
Since the fall of 2023, the United States and Israel have been fanning the fire in the region, repeatedly refusing to negotiate, increasing demands and tension.
The NATO’s fleets are heading to the Persian Gulf to be trained and gaining experience on the eve of the confrontation with China.
The Persian Gulf is doomed because Iran is persistently pushed not just to block the Strait of Hormuz, but to destroy its neighbors’ oil and gas complexes, and Iran, Russia and China know it perfectly well.
The thing for these States is how to delay and minimize the inevitable chaos that the U. S. will develop in the ME in the next 6-12 months, because, in a way or another, the ME will burn.

Posted by: Esophagus | Jun 25 2025 20:16 utc | 169

Newbie @ 156
Thanks for your information, I have not heard about the Russian or Chinese scientists being targeted! Very strange, who was behind those?
Posted by: fanto | Jun 25 2025 20:11 utc | 167
Chinese? 99.99% cia
Russian? CIA /MI6/SBU
Mossad probably lends a hand on both

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 25 2025 20:19 utc | 170

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 25 2025 20:05 utc | 162
What was the name of the French researcher? I saw his books on his site but forgot his name/site
Wasn’t he the one who was asked “how much” and he said “100 (top) engineers… and 20 years”?

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 25 2025 20:22 utc | 171

Elkern 139,
As my comment at 136 indicates, I largely concur with you view but, the odds of the “Democrats just STFU about..the attacks only set[ting] back Iran’s nuke program by a few months…not the time to play “gotcha” is pretty low based on the comments put forth by the blue-no-matter-who commentors here even if “avoiding WWIII depends on us all pretending.
The DNC has an opportunity to display a greater obsequiousness to Israel/Israeli-Americans by supplicating themselves [and the USA’s interests] before their foreign masters, I doubt they will miss this opportunity.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 25 2025 20:23 utc | 172

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2025 15:42 utc | 39
Great British Governance
The Machine that goes Ping

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 25 2025 20:27 utc | 173

see the graphic at the second link
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1937873188907520174
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
Bad news for Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu and someone will get fired:
US intelligence report said “Iran can regain its enrichment uranium in only a few months and Fordow underground facility is intact. Only the entrance and exists were damaged but easy to remove”.
WOW! All this show and war for nothing. Well done Iran.
https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1937946024401572157
Suppressed News. @SuppressedNws
⚡️🇮🇷JUST IN: Infographic of Iran’s strikes and targets during the 12 day war with Israel:
Strategic assets Iran targeted:
• Al-Jalil Base; Military base in the north
• Haifa Port
• Haifa Power Plant
• Haifa Oil Refinery
• Tel Nof Airbase
• Mossad HQ
• Kiryah Base, Military command HQ
• Kiryat Gat Industrial City Technology and chip-making hub
• Israeli Ministry of Defense C&C center
• Rafael Company Supplier of defense systems
• Hadar Power Plant, one of Israel’s largest power stations
• Ben Gurion Airport
• Weizmann Scientific Institute
• Israel Nuclear Research Center in the Negev
• Nevatim Airbase
• Ovda Airbase
• Unit 8200 Cyber operations intelligence HQ
Source: @AryJeay

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2025 20:31 utc | 174

Newbie @ 171
JP Petit
I got all links from this page. There if you look.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 25 2025 20:32 utc | 175

157 – One lieutenant and the rest NCOs. Rather odd I would have thought, but I don’t know much about IDF unit structure.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 25 2025 20:39 utc | 176

oldhippie 162,
A very well made point.
DoD companies will bring in “creative” contractors very briefly to figure ways out of a “box-canyon” constructed by those lacking a creative acumen but, then they are highly compartmentalized and prevented from working on the root cause of problems at the system level…that’s for “big-thinkers” which is another way of saying those who put doctrinal thinking before evidence and reason.
If you are willing to move from state to state at the drop of a hat, at your own expense, willing to go from unemployed to working insane hours you can make a decent living but, you’ll have to forget about having a life with family and close friends.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 25 2025 20:39 utc | 177

Why the surprise, sign of lack of any knowledge of the past and present-
Iran does not need a bomb.
Being the only one to fight for Palestine as a state, it would wound the Palestine if it bombed the entity, too small.
This gives an answer to Jane, if they bombed on a smaller scale, inevitably they would kill more of the Palestinians-
This is only a short pause, the stop of hostilities. Israel fucked up, they asked for a break.
Iran, surviving but in need of replenishment is turning towards China ( they do a not strings attached, different from Russia who blackmails in their love for Israel).
Today, the Defense minister of Iran flew to China. To buy some useful stuff. To connect.
Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVYAX8k3ltc
Ray McGovern & Johhn Helmer: Russia’s Summer Blitz vs. Ukraine – Iran–Israel Halt Fire

Posted by: stranger | Jun 25 2025 20:41 utc | 178

Is this a joke? Or did he really say this????
Posted by: Jane | Jun 25 2025 17:00 utc | 75

That’s what he said in public.
What he says in private doesn’t bear thinking about.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 25 2025 20:47 utc | 179

In terms of losers, US continues to lose big, with this being just one more piece of evidence that a) it is losing, b) it fights dirty because it is losing.
And obviously as US loses, Israel disappears – it really is existential for Israel as a nation.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Jun 25 2025 20:48 utc | 180

Time to call it for my country
* aggressive neutrality: small highly trained mobile army, GM frigate and small fast sub fleet.
* nuclear power and weapons
* ruthless purge of the Anglo-American establishment in the civil service, intelligence and the military
* Eviction of all US military facilities. Complete national control of Pine Gap, selling intel to the highest bidder
* aggressive border control
* Sovereign internet
* attractive packages for any scientist or engineer who wants to commit to our national future
* Regional ‘Monroe’ Doctrine: NZ as joint-partner, comprehensive free trade arrangements between China, Indonesia and Australia.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 25 2025 20:50 utc | 181

Being the only one to fight for Palestine as a state, it would wound the Palestine if it bombed the entity, too small.
Posted by: stranger | Jun 25 2025 20:41 utc | 178
Iran did not fight for Palestine. It fought because it was attacked. Not just attacked, Israel launched war against Iran and only them did Iran start striking the genocidal entity.
Gaza though would have made raining destruction on the entity very satisfying, as would the same trigger against other countries.
Shallow minded crap about Iran the only one to have the guts to strike or whatever is in your shallow mind.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 20:57 utc | 182

Patroklos | Jun 25 2025 20:50 utc | 181
If the reason for Whitlam’s sacking is correct, then he tried to boot the US out back in 1975.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 21:01 utc | 183

Don Firineach | Jun 25 2025 19:35 utc | 151–
Hi Don. Yes, the Crooke/Nima chat was very informative and confirmed my Big Picture hypothesis and further confirmed that Team Trump is continuing the policy set by Team Biden and those that came before going back to the 1990s. It’s really rather simple: The Outlaw US Empire is trying to preserve its primacy despite it now being a second-rate conventional military power incapable of winning against a peer adversary. So, it’s now using proxies and has greatly modified and modernized its Terrorist Foreign Legion. All the recent decapitation events were planned and commenced during Biden’s term and only activated now once they were ready. The negotiation events used as traps to relax the opposite side were the last components to be cemented by Team Trump going back to Witkoff’s “lecture” to Netanyahu for the Gaza ceasefire prior to Trump’s inauguration. Yes, hindsight here is very helpful.
Crooke mentioned the double-crossing of the MAGA Populists by Trump, but that was easy to see coming based on his first term–despite supposedly loathing Obama, he continued most of Obama’s policies using Russiagate as an excuse for the lack of change. People talk of Kabuki and manufactured narratives to project one thing while doing the opposite at the same time mostly out-of-sight. Well, that’s what’s been happening since 1996. Trump’s MAGA differs in no manner from the goal of the Empire retaining its primacy–they are one and the same.
The mutual cessation of hostilities isn’t a ceasefire as Crooke explained very well as there’re no guidelines or agreements of any sort between the two/three sides, and the nuclear issue remains a pretense, although affecting regime change will now be impossible without the help of an invading army.
The final point is what affect the conflict will have on the current Iranian government; will it continue to seek some sort of accommodation with the West? IMO, that will be unwise politically unless I’m misjudging the internal Iranian sentiment. IMO, there’s no way to remove the nuclear issue as a pretext since Iran demands its rights be respected–the West demands Iran forfeit its rights and will not compromise. Why? Because the West sees Iran as the weak underbelly of the Russia/China/Eurasian Alliance that’s the core of BRICS and much more. BRICS must announce their new international trade mechanisms at the upcoming Rio Summit on July 6-7. Trump’s tariff pause ends on 9 July and BRICS has an opportunity to preempt whatever Trump has planned.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2025 21:01 utc | 184

About Rutte, he’s an unmarried 60 or so-year-old Christian weirdo.
You do the math, Daddy.
Definite Lindsey Graham vibes.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 25 2025 21:02 utc | 185

❗️🇮🇷🇮🇱| JUST IN: Iran wiped out years of work on diverse research projects of “Israel”.
Iranian missiles wrecked 6 research facilities at Ben-Gurion University in Beersheba in the June 19 attacks, which Israel claimed hit the Soroka hospital, but in reality hit laboratories.
“Iran wiped out years of work on diverse scientific research projects,” says the Israeli university.
Residences of nearly 100 Israeli scientists, faculty and staff were also hit.

https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1937957566774186305

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 25 2025 21:03 utc | 186

Patroklos | Jun 25 2025 20:50 utc | 181
A crucial basic feature needs to be added to that list. We must be Sovereign country, not a colony.
That means telling the hereditary monarch of England to piss off and elect our own head of state.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 21:05 utc | 187

Lavrov also pointed to broader concerns about the neutrality of international institutions. “This ties into what I mentioned earlier: the West is exerting serious influence over the secretariats of international organizations. In some cases, it’s as though they have been effectively privatized,” he remarked.
It is time that the Russian understand this. It was enough to see how for instance the OSCE, the red cross and the IAEA acted in Urkaine as spies and supports for the ukronazis.

Posted by: Naive | Jun 25 2025 21:08 utc | 188

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2025 21:01 utc | 184
Yes – events only make sense when viewed through the lens of the ‘Big Picture Hypothesis’ ….
WWIII – Empire on the way down vs The Rest
I suppose a few Russian & Chinese Scientists on site at all Iranian nuclear facilities might make sense in future – no one touched Bushier NPP!!!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 25 2025 21:24 utc | 189

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 21:05 utc | 187
Agreed: comprehensive root and branch political reform, new republican constitution.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 25 2025 21:28 utc | 190

— GEROMAN — time will tell – 👀 —
@GeromanAT
53m
why The Zionists Want and Provoke Wars Since Zionism Was Founded
https://xcancel.com/GeromanAT/status/1937972442187895177#m
Zion = Noi[se]
if you read it the other way around.
Judaism and Zionism is NOT the same.
youtube.com/watch?v=iwKUIOZu…
why The Zionists Want and Provoke Wars Since Zionism Was Founded
Rabbi Dovid Feldman speaking in front of the #whitehouse in #washingtondc on June 18, 2025, exposing why the #Zionists want and provoke wars since #Zionism…
youtube.com
Jun 25, 2025 · 8:33 PM UTC

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2025 21:29 utc | 191

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 20:57 utc | 182
Look, I am really not interested in your bitterness which has nothing to do with the reality, the history, only with you slowly dying and being mad about it. Your biting anger does not interest me.
The fact is that Iran has established the resistance to the poisonous israel colony in the MEast since long ago, the rich center of the world being middle east.
You also live in the evil colony. What did you do to help Ghaza, or otherwise? Or dispute the stench of your own country?
Your governments and you yourself act as the evil, plundering entity. On the rest of the Earth, but not for much longer.
This is only round one in the war which is coming, Iran needs a rest. Genocidals definitely need it, thus they asked for it with their orange imbecile.
So much lies.
And spare me your anger, it has no interest for me.
It has to do everything with your approaching destiny which you know is coming, and nothing with Iran, myself, my posts…

Posted by: stranger | Jun 25 2025 21:32 utc | 192

Must watch deep dive interview on Jamarl Thomas’ channel
KJ Noh On Why This Is NOT A Ceasefire: Iran’s One Viable Option
https://youtu.be/FBpygraS8kM?si=AwaVLkPaHi6PnXf5

Posted by: krypton | Jun 25 2025 21:37 utc | 193

“Hell is empty, and all the devils are here.”
– William Shakespeare, The Tempest. Act 1, Scene 2
there are a lot of devils, scoundrels and war-criminals in that photo
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1937972795058622767
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
The Israeli Coalition for Regional Security, comprised of over 100 senior Israeli figures, has launched a nationwide billboard campaign.
Thoughts ?

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2025 21:37 utc | 194

DD Geopolitics
@DD_Geopolitics
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🇮🇱🇮🇷 Director General of the Israeli Ministry of Defense:
We have begun an arms race for the next war with Iran.
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DD Geopolitics
@DD_Geopolitics
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🇨🇳🇮🇷 Iranian Defense Minister Aziz Nasirzadeh visited China, likely to discuss purchasing Chinese jets and other systems, he was seen setting in a Chengdu J-10 Chinese jet.
………
A couple of years away at least and in that time a lot of things can change – but an arms race? Jew tech hasn’t proved much better than American tech. One and the same really.
Iran on the other hand, apart from its own tech will have access to Russian and Chinese tech which is far superior to that of the west.
That stretches the next war further and further towads the horizon. A mirage in the distance.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 21:38 utc | 195

Why do you lie?
Or, if your memory is that bad, why do you comment?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 19:16 utc | 143

Russian Propaganda/Lies are rather sophisticated, at least as compared to the US. But then that’s a low bar.

** ‘We can retrospectively conclude that Russia initially planned an operation that was primarily “special” and only secondarily “military,” as it intended to achieve its goals without large-scale hostilities or organized armed resistance.’ **

Ukraine operation could take a long time – Putin
Russia has already achieved significant victories, the president claimed
https://www.rt.com/russia/567850-putin-ukraine-duration-operation/
Special military operation is lengthy process, but some results already in sight — Putin
The Russian president recalled that even Peter the Great in his day fought for access the Sea of Azov
https://tass.com/politics/1547333
[note that ‘access to the Sea of Azov’ doesn’t fall under the generalities of ‘denazification’ or ‘demilitarization’]

From SMO to Full-Fledged War
A year has passed since the start of the Special Military Operation (SMO). If it began as a Special Military Operation, it is clear today that Russia has found itself in a full-fledged and difficult war. Not only with Ukraine—as a regime and not with the people (hence the demand for political denazification put forward initially), but also with the “collective West;” that is, in fact, with the NATO bloc…
https://www.thepostil.com/russias-special-military-operation-after-the-first-year-a-paradigm-shift
[The goalposts continue to move even given the fact they were never clearly delineated in the first place. By design]
‘denazification, demilitarization, access to resources, peter the great!!!!!!!’

Total victory over genocide-promoting Kiev only possible outcome of special op — Medvedev
The special military operation (SMO) should continue until its goals have been achieved and those responsible for the eight years of genocide in Donbass have been duly punished, Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel.
https://tass.com/politics/1670035
[This encompasses both more and different reasoning. At least it’s not intentional vagueries]]

SMO resulted in a full—scale NATO war: what are the “ideas” of the Russian General Staff
“When the Security Council decided in 2022 to launch a special operation, no one expected that we would fight with the whole of NATO. It is to fight,” he stressed.
As Stepashin noted, the form of military operations at the front is now incommensurable with the concept of a “special military operation,” especially after the events in Kursk.
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/08/25/smo-resulted-in-a-full-scale-nato-war-what-are-the-ideas-of-the-russian-general-staff-stepashin
[ https://archive.ph/7kX45#selection-829.0-829.35
https://archive.ph/oVfij ]

From “Special” to “Military”
Lessons from Two Years of the Operation in Ukraine
** ‘We can retrospectively conclude that Russia initially planned an operation that was primarily “special” and only secondarily “military,” as it intended to achieve its goals without large-scale hostilities or organized armed resistance.’ **
Now that Russia’s Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine has entered its third year, we can conclude that, like any major war of the past several centuries, it has confounded many predictions, theories, and assumptions.
Its initiators, participants, and observers, on both sides, have been faced with that which they did not expect or plan for. Two years of fighting have revealed the contours of revolutionary changes in military theory and practice, possibly predetermining the character of war for the entire 21st century.’
https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/from-special-to-military/
[ http://www.fimp-publisher.ru/ ]

Russian Textbooks to Include Heroes of SMO
Russian Minister of Education: Textbooks will reveal reasons behind start of Special Military Operation
https://medium.com/@deborahlarmstrong/russian-textbooks-to-include-heroes-of-smo-7154c751d1e5
[All the reasons, stated and unstated? Not exactly. Listen, we need to get an official version of the story and its concomitant heroes deeply embedded in the kids’ pysches as soon as possible, while they’re still young. You know how it works…]

Alaudinov predicted that the SMO will continue until 2030
https://news-pravda.com/world/2024/04/25/463116.html
https://tinyurl.com/mpk6buut
[Quite a ‘lengthy process’ indeed, particularly given that Russian intel initialy sold it to the Russian political class as being short and descisive – sound familiar? Anyway, I think the textbooks need updating already and I wish these guys would get on the same page. I need some clarity here so I won’t continue to lie so much! Maybe my memory’s just bad…]

The National Consensus Formation at the First Stage of Russia’s Special Military Operation Against Ukraine (February–August 2022)
Abstract
The article begins with a definition of some contesting views about the reality of Russian support for the “Special military operation” (SMO), hypotheses, and research approach. Then we present the substantive arguments about the attitude of Russian residents to the SMO and the reliability of public opinion polls results. After this we provide suggestive analyzes of three key understandings of the “West” in Russian public opinion.
The article ends with arguing that a national consensus in Russia on the necessity and legitimacy of the SMO has really been achieved. The polarization of opinions is increasing but it is not reflected in the public sphere because of the fears that this could cause negative uncontrolled consequences for the economic situation, social and political stability in the country. As for Anti-Western sentiments, they depended and continue to depend on two groups of factors: foreign policy ones, which provoked the strengthening of these sentiments, and internal ones, which contributed to their weakening.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/18793665231212233

Returning close to where we started, an inquisitive Chinese reporter wants to know…and a contemptuous Lavrov responds:
Goals of special military operation declared by Putin on February 24, says Lavrov
President announced everything on February 24, Russian Foreign Minister said
UNITED NATIONS, September 25. /TASS/. All the goals of Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine were spelled out by Russian President Vladimir Putin on February 24, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said at a news conference on Saturday after participating in the 77th session of the UN General Assembly.
“A Chinese reporter has just asked about the ultimate goal of the operation. You should read President Putin’s statements more often and more carefully. He announced everything on February 24,” he said.
https://tass.com/politics/1512923
[This of course assumes the question-answer weren’t prearranged. I’ll leave it to others to ‘read Putin’s statements more often and more carefully’ though one would be forgiven for throwing their hands up after not too long and saying “f*ck it I’m done with all these liars and their paid and unpaid sycophants across the ‘east-west’ spectrum.”
And that’s the idea, and that’s the warmongering internationalism/globalism we’re living in]

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 25 2025 21:38 utc | 196

oldhippie @162: “It’s not materials engineering, it’s electrical engineering. The plasma is kept from skin of missile electrically.”
Yeah, there is no way it is just material science since it is not just heat but erosion when you are going hypersonic. The hypersonic object generates an intense magnetic field that contains the plasma it creates from passing through atmosphere into an envelope that functions as a “virtual” aerodynamic body.
But doesn’t this mean our hypersonic object must carry heavy, bulky electromagnets and power sources?
No! Plasma itself is an excellent conductor. A current passing through a conductor generate a magnetic field, and a conductor passing through a magnetic field generates current. Cleverly shaped, the magnetic field arising from the plasma surrounding our hypersonic becomes self-energizing, taking energy from the object’s inertia/movement. Of course, far less energy is bled off to maintain the plasma envelope and its magnetic field than would be lost to friction if the object were just plowing through the atmosphere, so it can coast for long distances through thick air with very little loss of speed.
Now, how they achieve that clever shaping of the magnetic field/plasma envelope is a mystery to me. It is some near magic level marriage of plasma physics, electromagnetic physics, and aerodynamics. I get somewhat giddy trying to visualize it. Exciting stuff!

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 25 2025 21:43 utc | 197

The Israeli Coalition for Regional Security, comprised of over 100 senior Israeli figures, has launched a nationwide billboard campaign.

https://nitter.poast.org/MenchOsint/status/1937972795058622767
The billboard features Al Qaida warlord Al Julani, Mahmoud Abas (by far one the biggest traitors history has known), Bin Salman (the guy who got Kashoggi chopped up), Trump, Netanyahu and other regional Zionazi collaborators totally unmoved by the ongoing Gaza holocaust.
But hey, Trump is a 5D chess master fighting the deep state… in delululand that is.

Posted by: xor | Jun 25 2025 21:46 utc | 198

canuk | Jun 25 2025 17:04 utc | 80
*** 1.After 3 years of rule In 1688 the British had kicked Jamess II ((a Catholic)) and replaced him with William III, a Dutchmen; Mary was a daughter of James II.***
Important to also mention that the Protestant William (hence the name of the “Orangemen” later on) was openly and officially supported — which includes against Irish mainly Catholic forces — by the Vatican.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 25 2025 21:48 utc | 199

William Gruff | Jun 25 2025 21:43 utc | 197–
IMO, there are very distinct similarities regarding plasma containment in a tokamak and in hypersonic aerodynamics. The former does use very intense magnets to contain and manage the plasma while the latter uses its own self-generated magnetic field. At least, that’s how I see the process.
The fundamental key IMO is Russia, China, Iran have professors capable of not just understanding the math/physics of the process but are able to teach that extremely elevated level of math to others having the capability of advancing it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 25 2025 21:57 utc | 200