Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 14, 2025
Lies Used To Justify War On Iraq Get Reused To Wage War On Iran

Former CIA officer Larry Johnson opines:

I believe that Israel’s attack was part of a planned international intelligence and military operation, which included the participation and support of the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany. We got the first clue on May 31, when a UN watchdog issued two reports designed to create a narrative that Iran is a rogue nuclear state:

This tactic was employed in 2002/2003 to gin up a justification to attack Iraq, who the US insisted had weapons of mass destruction. We now know it was a lie, but the propaganda was effective in producing support in the US and Europe to invade Iraq. We’re seeing a similar effort today, only this time Iran is being falsely accused of enriching uranium to build a bomb. The Iraq WMD lie, like the current calumny against Iran, only has one purpose… justify military action in order to achieve regime change.

I have previously detailed the current IAEA operation to blame Iran over some alleged nuclear contamination which were found more than two decades ago.

During the build-up to the 2003 war on Iraq there was another lie that famously used to 'justify' the attack.

It was alleged that Iraq's leader Saddam Hussein was in cahoots with al-Qaeda, a terrorist group that had been created by the U.S. in Pakistan to fight against the Soviet supported government of Afghanistan.

Al-Qaeda was alleged to have committed attacks in the U.S. on 9/11 2001. Associating Iraq, which had fought against al-Qaeda inspired groups, with al-Qaeda itself was the second most cited lie used to justify the U.S. war on Iraq.

It is no wonder than that a similar narrative is now suddenly being build with regards to Iran.

David Ignatius, the unofficial CIA spokesman at the Washington Post, was told to publish this nonsense (archived):

But Iran has other means to hit back. One that has received little attention is its relationship with al-Qaeda affiliates. According to former U.S. counterterrorism officials, Tehran has built good relations with the new “de facto” al-Qaeda “emir,” Saif al-Adel, who took over in 2023 after Ayman al-Zawahiri was killed. These former officials say Adel helped manage WMD planning for Osama bin Laden.

The al-Qaeda affiliate in Yemen may pose a special danger. It’s headed by Saad bin Atef al-Awlaki, who posted a chilling video this month threatening U.S. officials. “Go after the scum of the earth and its greatest criminals,” he urged his followers, naming Trump, Vice President JD Vance, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and former DOGE chief Elon Musk. “There are no red lines after all that has been happening to our people in Gaza,” he said. According to the Jerusalem Post, Awlaki urged Muslims in Europe and America to make sure there is “not a single safe place” for Jews.

Who would be those "former U.S. counterterrorism officials"? Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, or some other notorious liars?

Saif al-Adel, the "de facto" never declared leader of Al-Qaeda has since 2001 been rumored to be in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt and Iran where he allegedly was once under house arrest and later exchanged against Iranian hostages held by al-Qaeda in Yemen.

Over more than two decades the Shia Iran has fought the Sunni al-Qaeda wherever it could. Its operations against Sunni extremist in Iraq and Syria were largely wars against al-Qaeda affiliated forces. In Yemen Iran is allied with the Houthi who are fighting against U.S. supported al-Qaeda aligned groups in the south of the country. A similar situation exists in Lebanon where Iran supported Hizbullah forces have for years feuded against al-Qaeda aligned radicals.

To claim that Iran is now somehow in cahoots with Saif al-Adel, an alleged but never declared leader of a more or less extinct al-Qaeda, is blatant nonsense.

David Ignatius is a much read 'opinion leader'. That he was told to trot out those nonsensical claims is a signal for others to pick up on them.

We can now expect lots of other second rated opinion writers to come up with similar tales.

It is, like the attempt to associated Iran with weapons of mass destruction, a narrative that will be used to further escalate the current regime change war on Iran.

Comments

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 14 2025 16:24 utc | 196
While I agree that probably is not in the mind of Iranians to make a Gaza out of Israel you cannot simply multiply the surface of the two areas.
Gaza is more or less a continuous city along the Gaza strip.
Israel has more surface that is scarcely inhabitated.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 14 2025 16:36 utc | 201

—❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 NEW: Israel struck an ambulance in West Azerbaijan province, killing both the paramedics that were inside
@Middle_East_Spectator
The Jews always target the medical infrastructure.
They know that this will assure fatalities.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 16:37 utc | 202

Iranian ballistic missiles are reaching Israel and are certainly causing some damage, but how accurate are they really?
In videos posted on Telegram, it’s always Israeli attacks that are/look very accurate.
Here are two examples:
An attack on an Iranian Tor-M1 and a Fateh-110 ballistic missile launcher. (Source Intelslava Telegram)
https://t.me/intelslava/75957
Here’s a bombing, filmed on the ground by locals. (Source Intelslava Telegram)
https://t.me/intelslava/75956

Posted by: NoName | Jun 14 2025 16:39 utc | 203

see the 7-second video at the first link. if this is true, it would be a significant escalation
see the photo at the second link
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1933908088505172136
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
⚡️Reports on a Israeli attack targeting a refinery in Kangan, Bushehr Province, Iran.
https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1933907856358814049
War Monitor @WarMonitors
⚡️Barak Ravid: New high-resolution satellite images published by @Maxar show multiple buildings were destroyed at the Natanz nuclear enrichment facility from recent airstrikes. See here before and after:
https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1933856504589033878
☀️👀 @zei_squirrel
Piers Morgan, who spent the past 3 years hysterically shrieking “RUSSIAS UNPROVOKED INVASION, TERRITORIAL SOVEREIGTNY, ILLEGAL WAR”, has now come out to defend the US-Israeli illegal war on Iran as being awesome and great actually. One of the most disgusting shameless scum alive…..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 14 2025 16:39 utc | 204

More like snapshots of Gaza.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jun 14 2025 16:31 utc | 203
That’s what I meant. The Iranian missiles have the same capacity to turn a couple of suburban blocks into a cameo of the Gaza strip.
All the need to do is keep stamping out the same pattern all over Tel Aviv …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 16:39 utc | 205

@Ornot
‘The missile strikes are strategic and a retaliatory defense.’
I understand. I am merely pointing out a false equivalency. A very very big one.
I am not rooting for death. I am not the monster, nor will allow ‘them’ to turn me into one.
I also have absolutely no battlefield experience myself. I was frankly quite happy when I got a medical discharge from the US Navy’s Orlando boot camp many many years ago.
I am not a warrior of even of that class.
So I will shut up now.
Thank you for all your posts.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 14 2025 16:41 utc | 206

‘I am not a warrior of even of that class.’
or even of

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 14 2025 16:42 utc | 207

Carney Calls For ‘Maximum Restraint’ as Iran Responds to Israeli Airstrikes
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/israel-iran-canada-anand-1.7560564
“Prime Minister Mark Carney called for Israel and Iran to exercise ‘maximum restraint’ and move toward a diplomatic solution on Friday, while criticizing Iran’s missile strikes on Israel and affirming Israel’s right to defend itself.
‘Iran’s nuclear program has long been a cause of grave concern, and its missile attacks across Israel threaten regional peace,’ Carney said.
Earlier Friday, Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand says Canada is calling for de-escalation. Anand added that ‘of course Israel has the right to defend itself’ and Canada is concerned ‘about the threat posed by Iran’s nuclear ballistic missile program.’
Anand said Canada believes the ‘best path to sustainable peace and security in the region, are the talks between the United States and Iran’, and the federal government would like to see those talks continue.
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said in a social media post on Friday morning that ‘Israel has the right to defend itself – including by opposing Tehran’s genocidal nuclear program.”
Welcome to Canadian friendly fascism…No wonder Donald Trump thinks Carney is ‘a very nice man’.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 14 2025 16:43 utc | 208

🇷🇺🇺🇸 Putin Held a Phone Call with Trump — Key Points:
➡️The conversation lasted 50 minutes and was described as useful;
➡️Putin informed Trump about the progress of prisoner exchanges with Ukraine and confirmed Russia’s readiness to continue negotiations with Ukraine after June 22;
➡️Putin condemned Israel’s military operation against Iran;
➡️The U.S. President assessed the situation around Israel and Iran as “very alarming”;
➡️The Russian President expressed Russia’s readiness to act as a mediator between Israel and Iran;
➡️The U.S. leader called Israel’s strikes on Iran effective;
➡️Trump stated that U.S. negotiators are ready to resume work with the Iranians on the nuclear issue;
➡️Both the Russian and U.S. presidents did not rule out a return to negotiations on the Iranian nuclear program;
➡️Trump confirmed his interest in a speedy end to the conflict in Ukraine;
➡️Putin and Trump noted the brotherhood in arms during the Second World War;
➡️Both leaders expressed satisfaction with their “positive personal relationship”;
➡️Putin congratulated Trump on his birthday.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/151486

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 16:43 utc | 209

Posted by: Kamran | Jun 14 2025 14:38 utc | 92
I share this sentiment. The next time some Chinese spokesman states “deep concern” over the empire’s genocidal wars, I am going to puke.
Someone needs to sit down Xi Jinping and explain to him that neocons and Zionists won’t be happy until he gets a bayonet shoved up his ass like Qaddafi. You either fight them, or die.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 14 2025 16:44 utc | 210

@214,
Utterly disgusting. Putin rubbing the ego of the Orange Monkey.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 14 2025 16:47 utc | 211

Khaleel Nasrallah:
Fars News Agency reports that Israel has targeted facilities at the South Pars gas field in the port of Kangan, located in Bushehr Province. This indicates that Tel Aviv has expanded the scope of its strikes and diversified its targets to include economic and energy infrastructure. This marks a significant development that elevates the confrontation to a new level—and Tehran may respond by targeting vital and economic facilities inside Israel.
🔹@enemywatch

Posted by: JB | Jun 14 2025 16:47 utc | 212

Netanyahu: Iran has 20,000 ballistic missiles and we cannot tolerate Iran.
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42246
If it becomes a question of resources, Iran will win.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 16:47 utc | 213

From DD Geopolitics Telegram:
“Pakistani Defense Minister Khawaja Asif stated that Pakistan’s intelligence services shared information with Tehran about impending strikes several days before the Israeli attacks.
Earlier, Iranian media had reported that a friendly country had warned Iran about the planned operation.”
Video: https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/151481
If this is true, then some questions remain, why Israel still managed to take out top tier Iranian generals imho.

Posted by: NoName | Jun 14 2025 16:48 utc | 214

Unpopular opinion Re: those posters who question why some people are angry with Russia and China for their tepid response
Yes, with Russia and Ukraine, it is in Russia’s best interest to move slowly and methodically, minimizing civilian and soldier deaths.
But, for China to say: “We condemn Israel’s attacks into Iran and request it to stop it’s risky behaviors.”
Does China honestly believe that assassinating many of Iran’s top scientists and generals in a single coordinated attack constitutes a “risky” behavior? Talk about the understatement of the year!
Future headline: “China categorically condemns Israel’s assassination of Iran’s supreme leader and its use of nuclear weapons in Tehran.”
I honestly would have preferred China and Russia just remaining perfectly quiet about the matter publicly if they are not going to assist Iran behind the scenes.
But, as we all know, the Axis still believes that a grand decoupling event can be avoided, that global trade can still be had on an equal-footing between the west and east. Poppycock. The west will never yield to equal, multipolar control over the global economy.
So what’s the game, China? Are your billionaires too much for you to handle? Are you afraid of losing the U.S. consumer?
Are you really ready to go?
How many more top Iranian generals and scientists need to be picked off? Israel does appear to have intelligence supremacy over Iran.
But, /rant. I DO want China, Iran, and Russia to succeed. But I harbor no illusions that this can happen without a grand decoupling event to occur that will indeed hurt China in the short term. But they need to have some faith in their ability to weather that.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 14 2025 16:49 utc | 215

RT now reports that Putin has spoken by phone with America’s obnoxious poster child of the bankrupt Empire of Lies with “details to follow”. It’s a shame that such a low quality individual is in any way involved in such things.
It is thoroughly humiliating that every bar that can be lowered goes lower every single day.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 14 2025 16:49 utc | 216

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 14 2025 16:39 utc | 209
He has to do that. Anything else he would be kicked off the air. These guys know which side of the bread the butter goes on.
A number of commentators were kicked off the air in the runup to the second Iraq war. Colonel Hackworth and Gerald Celente both questioned the war and were disposed of quickly.

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 14 2025 16:50 utc | 217

🇮🇷🇮🇱⚡️Iran Ministry of Petroleum: Fire at phase 14 of south Pars refinery swiftly contained after Israeli attack.
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/42255

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 16:51 utc | 218

Iranian ballistic missiles are reaching Israel and are certainly causing some damage, but how accurate are they really?
In videos posted on Telegram, it’s always Israeli attacks that are/look very accurate.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 14 2025 16:39 utc | 208

Arguably NATO weapons were more accurate than Russia’s, at least at the start of the SMO. Did that matter?
Just like Ukraine, Israel cannot win an attrition war, certainly not now that worldwide military stockpiles have already been depleted. Not to mention the IDF has been engaged in Gaza, Syria & Yemen for some time now.
IMHO Israel took it’s best shot and has opened Pandora’s box.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 16:52 utc | 219

I share this sentiment. The next time some Chinese spokesman states “deep concern” over the empire’s genocidal wars, I am going to puke.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 14 2025 16:44 utc | 215
I don’t think the Chinese are going to understand what “deep concern” means until they’re jammed straight up against the business end of Empire.
Right now it’s all just stuff happening “over there”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 16:53 utc | 220

” If this is true, then some questions remain, why Israel still managed to take out top tier Iranian generals imho.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 14 2025 16:48 utc | 220 ”
Maybe someone in Iran wanted them dead ?

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:56 utc | 221

Maybe someone in Iran wanted them dead ?
Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:56 utc | 227

You can bet that if Mossad wanted top US officials dead that’d happen in short order. The only reason they don’t is they’re already doing Mossad’s bidding.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 16:59 utc | 222

@225
Israel is a small country Iran does not need accurate! Iran is a big country, accurate hits a very smal chunk of a big country.
Population: Israel has 9 million, Iran over 80 million. While Iran has some minorities, Israel has a larger proportion of Palestinians, former owners of the land.
US’ magazine is not limitless. Iran’s magazine could be enhanced by Pakistan (who already are calling for Muslim unity), and the Gulf states (who need to back off the Abraham acords).
Iran geography is interesting to Russia. Russia doe not want the Shah back!
I suspect if it goes on where US needs a crude oil crisis the Saudis may decide an Islamic oil embargo is proper.
Why should the Saudis support Israeli/US genocide?

Posted by: paddy | Jun 14 2025 17:05 utc | 223

Right now:
Promises kept – The Grayzone live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx9DGNHY4NY

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 14 2025 17:06 utc | 224

Iran, either by believing in or hoping for anything other than a war or confrontation, chose to minimize its retaliatory strategy against the US and Israel.
2 years ago, the balance of power was such that Israel was deterred in its strikes against Lebanon for fear of a 1 to 1 retaliation by Hezbollah. Syria on the other hand, was attacked and bombed almost weekly, and depsite all the hype about S300’s and Russian AD and ‘protection’, Assad never successfuly stopped any strikes, let alone retaliated.
Today the result is that all of Hzb, Syria and Hamas have been eliminated as a fighting force, as far as any of them being a credible threat to Israel, both as a state and to its citizens.
Iran’s buffer zone/proxies/allies, or whatever one wishes to view them as, have been neutered, and today Iran is being attacked and bombed directly, something not even the most ardent zionists could have realistically dreamed of 2 years ago.
There are many lessons to be learned from this. Strategic and calculated reasoning that does not result in punishment and effective deterrence of the aggressors is seen as weakness and wishful thinking that only encourages those seeking domination. This imbalance in the price being paid by either side will be the determining factor driving the current war, imo.
Just as Hzb, Hamas and Syria were allies/proxies and thus a security blanket for Iran in its opposition to Israel, Iran itself is that to both Russia and China in their contest with the entire West/NATO. We now see how Iran is paying the price for allowing the erosion and destruction of its safety net and power projection layer.
Will both Russia and China fall victim to the same wishful thinking and lack of resolve that put Iran in its current predicament today, i wonder?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 14 2025 17:08 utc | 225

Does Russia allow StarLink over its territory?
https://t.me/intelslava/75949

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 17:08 utc | 226

” You can bet that if Mossad wanted top US officials dead that’d happen in short order. The only reason they don’t is they’re already doing Mossad’s bidding.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 16:59 utc | 228 ”
So Mossad are invincible superheroes ? What about in Russia, what if they wanted Putin dead ?

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 17:09 utc | 227

see the photos at the first link. a significant escalation by israel.
https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1933904212687016441
War Monitor @WarMonitors
⚡️ Israeli airstrikes on gas tanks at Kangan Port in Iran’s Bushehr region
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1933909292022702121
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
Iran is free to attack the oil and gas resources in Israel after this attack: Several Drones attacked the immediately adjacent area to one of Iran’s largest gas fields, the Kangan gas field (paired with Nar), which holds about 29 trillion cubic feet of gas, with a daily output of ~23 million m³
Kangan Port serves critical gas processing plants, including the nearby LNG complex at Tombak, which is vital for domestic energy needs and export potential.
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1933824244200473085
Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg
Egypt and Lebanon are ruled by US and Israeli installed Generals.
Syria is ruled by a US and Israeli installed terrorist.
Jordan is ruled by a British and Israeli installed whimpering King.
I won’t even start on the disgusting Gulf states.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 14 2025 17:10 utc | 228

The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:56 utc | 227
I have long speculated that the IRGC is despised by many in Iran and that makes fertile ground to develop human resources inside Iran. Some months ago I posted an article where the Former Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad alleged that Mossad had extensively infiltrated the Iranian intelligence services.
Mossad infiltrated Iran’s anti-Israel spy team, Iran’s ex-president Ahmadinejad reveals

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 14 2025 17:11 utc | 229

No one in the world has more nukes than Russia … is this fact preventing the west from attacking her? From sanctions? From terrorism? To the extent that Russia has security, it is due to conventional weapons and security systems and the valor of her people. That is what Iran needs to rely on, for better or for worse.
Posted by: Caliman | Jun 14 2025 15:13 utc | 124
They are attacking because they know Russia does not have the guts to use those nukes. Put those nukes in Ansar Allah’s hands and they will dare not attack because they would be willing to use them.
The West does not dare attack North Korea either. They know Kim is willing to use his nukes.
Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 16:09 utc | 179
Too much strategic patience has eroded Russia’s deterrence to the point that the west thinks they can attack Russia’s nuclear triad without retaliation. Unfortunate thing is that they’re right. (I don’t count attacks against the tools in Ukraine as retaliation.)

Posted by: Ninhvoi | Jun 14 2025 17:11 utc | 230

Arguably NATO weapons were more accurate than Russia’s, at least at the start of the SMO. Did that matter?
Just like Ukraine, Israel cannot win an attrition war, certainly not now that worldwide military stockpiles have already been depleted. Not to mention the IDF has been engaged in Gaza, Syria & Yemen for some time now.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 16:52 utc | 225
To your first paragraph: well, it certainly did matter to some poor buggers. But in the grand scheme probably not. To your second paragraph, I hope you’re right. It would suck if this absolute disgusting and evil Israeli government would prevail. And I say this even though I don’t really like the Iranian government.

Posted by: NoName | Jun 14 2025 17:11 utc | 231

The Grayzone Live: ‘Promises Kept’
https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1933931040156074226
Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate analyze and discuss current events.
‘This is a regime-change war.’

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 14 2025 17:12 utc | 232

Oil definately limits up Monday morning
Gold ? Donna’ maybe +2%

Posted by: Exile | Jun 14 2025 17:12 utc | 233

RT now reports that Putin has spoken by phone with America’s obnoxious poster child of the bankrupt Empire of Lies with “details to follow”. It’s a shame that such a low quality individual is in any way involved in such things.
It is thoroughly humiliating that every bar that can be lowered goes lower every single day.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 14 2025 16:49 utc | 222
Chunga, get a grip. Look at the last several presidents, look at Congress, look at literally anybody in authority in the West. They are all low quality individuals. That’s why they are chosen as face men. Trump just says it out loud. Before him, a dead body was president!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 14 2025 17:13 utc | 234

I see israel’s striking of the south Pars gas field as a desperate act out of alignment with it’s initial strategy.
They’re flailing now: unable to get the results they want fast enough they’re striking infrastructure that will impact the global economy.
Bullies do this when they need a rescue: they drag the bystanders into the fight.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 17:13 utc | 235

RE: “RT now reports that Putin has spoken by phone with America’s obnoxious poster child of the bankrupt Empire of Lies with “details to follow””
It’s a shame that such a low quality individual is in any way involved in such things.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 14 2025 16:49 utc | 222
Well, here are some “details”…
called the conversation “meaningful, frank, and most importantly, very useful.” Putin condemned Israel’s strikes on Friday, particularly noting that they occurred just before nuclear negotiations between Iran and the US scheduled for June 15, he said.
“Despite such a complicated situation, the ***Russian and American presidents** didn’t rule out a return to the negotiating track on the Iranian nuclear program,” Putin’s aide added.“***
So, Putin & Trump discussed Iran…
Is Putin now Iran’s President?
Who the fuck cares what Putin wants?
What gall he has to speak to Trump about “returning Iran to the nuclear negotiating table? What a meddling fuck face.
Glad the 2 of them “didn’t rule out” something for Iran.
Career supreme Statesman aging as a dual minded idiot.
Iran already went down this much encouraged path, look what it got them?
Putin isn’t going to be satisfied until the whole of the Middle East is tied up in a bow as a present to USReal.
When Iran told the USSR to fk off, should have kept it that way through the Russian Federation.
Iran has other actual allies.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 14 2025 17:17 utc | 236

I suspect if it goes on where US needs a crude oil crisis the Saudis may decide an Islamic oil embargo is proper.
Posted by: paddy | Jun 14 2025 17:05 utc | 229

The US would never “want” a crude oil crisis. Was that a mis-statement?

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 17:18 utc | 237

Brian Berletic on Iran’s actions. Berletic is an excellent analyst and correct most of time.
https://globalsouth.co/2025/06/14/brian-berletic-iran-retaliates-against-us-israeli-missile-strikes/

Posted by: JB | Jun 14 2025 17:21 utc | 238

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 14 2025 17:13 utc | 240
It is humiliating because if ALL of America’s “leaders” are fantastic low quality, belligerent, dishonest, treacherous, malicious scumbags then what does that say about Americans? We are left with the classic chicken/egg dilemma. What came first, depraved politicians or moron population? (<- the relationship between the two is inseverable, like it or not) Under the banner "America" we do a lot of very bad things. All the time. Everywhere. To top it off we say "we're the real victims here, innocent bystanders". Hold us harmless from what we do please.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 14 2025 17:24 utc | 239

Posted by: Ninhvoi | Jun 14 2025 17:11 utc | 236
Now would be an excellent time for Putin to get revenge on the UK for “Operation Spiderweb.”
Take out the NATO airbase in Cyprus with Oreshnik. Or better yet, just nuke it.
As a bonus, a lot of Israeli F-35s would be destroyed, cripling their AF.
Too bad he lacks the cojones.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 14 2025 17:27 utc | 240

then what does that say about Americans?
Posted by: chunga | Jun 14 2025 17:24 utc | 245

Blissfully ignorant for sure. It took an absolutely treasonous Biden administration combined with the tyrannically murderous covid scam to begin to wake them up.
Trump is world’s better than Biden but he’ll feel the wrath of betraying the principles he campaigned on.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 17:29 utc | 241

I really hope you’re right TJandTheBear.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 14 2025 17:32 utc | 242

It appears peace and diplomacy do not work as long as the US and its proxies exist. What can be done? The greatest hopes seem to be Russia & China, yet they wait. Will this lead to anything other than their eventual destruction as well? It is clear the U.S. can never be trusted.

Posted by: Slat1 | Jun 14 2025 17:33 utc | 243

As I wrote on Twitter: No one has yet explained why Hamas decided to save Netanyahu from the immediate frying pan on Oct 7 & transform him into a sort of Israeli Napoleon, destroying decades’ long foes, left & right. Indeed, with the West outdoing Russia’s rampage in Ukraine in the Middle East with Israel as its cover.

Posted by: Ludovic | Jun 14 2025 17:34 utc | 244

🤣😄😄🤡🤡🤡 🤣🤣😂😆🤡🤡
israel and netanyahu are a total & pathetic clown show
https://x.com/IsraelRadar_com/status/1933916708059611589
Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com
❗️ PM Netanyahu: Israel has indications that Iranian leaders are already packing their bags. They sense what’s coming.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 14 2025 17:35 utc | 245

Quite a collection of McMansions shown in that TOI video, but the level of destruction shown is light compared with other videos shown yesterday. And it’s very possible the damage inflicted in the TOI video was done by a spent Zionist interceptor missile, as a great number of impacts are Zionist own goals–the spent bullet shot into the air must land somewhere.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2025 17:35 utc | 246

The greatest hopes seem to be Russia & China, yet they wait. Will this lead to anything other than their eventual destruction as well? It is clear the U.S. can never be trusted.
Posted by: Slat1 | Jun 14 2025 17:33 utc | 249

Time is on their side, not ours. Keep in mind, Russia’s the chess master, and China’s the home of Sun Tzu.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 17:37 utc | 247

Posted by: Jane | Jun 14 2025 14:47 utc | 98
######
Israeli tactics are not going to win this conflict.
Netanyahu is not the leader of Zionism. He’s like Trump. The face. Not the brain.
Taking out the top Israeli military and intelligence leaders would probably be more effective.
Getting emotional won’t serve Iran.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 14:57 utc | 107
================
I did not say, nor even imply, any of this.
You are projecting.
Yours truly, “Genocide Jane”

Posted by: Jane | Jun 14 2025 17:38 utc | 248

….. PM Netanyahu: Israel has indications that Iranian leaders are already packing their bags. They sense what’s coming…..
Did Bibi say this from his hideout on that English Airbase in Cyprus ? 🤣

Posted by: Exile | Jun 14 2025 17:39 utc | 249

Ludovic
#Qatargate(s)

Posted by: Tom | Jun 14 2025 17:42 utc | 250

Earlier Friday, Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand says Canada is calling for de-escalation. Anand added that ‘of course Israel has the right to defend itself’ and Canada is concerned ‘about the threat posed by Iran’s nuclear ballistic missile program.’
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Iran should go full speed ahead to develop a nuclear weapon.
Might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 14 2025 17:44 utc | 251

Israel would probably be short of weapons if it wasn’t for the Yanks.
“The United States quietly delivered hundreds of advanced laser-guided missiles to the Israeli regime, knowing that the projectiles would be used by it towards attacking Iran.
The Middle East Eye (MEE) news and analysis website carried the report on Saturday, identifying its sources as US officials, and naming the projectiles in question as air-to-surface Hellfire missiles.
“There is a time and place for Hellfires. They were useful to Israel [as it was seeking to strike the Islamic Republic],” a senior American military official told the website.
The US also provided the regime with the missiles, knowing that their features specifically armed Tel Aviv for surgical strikes, it added.
Also on Friday, the US president, himself, confirmed in remarks to Reuters that he and his team knew the attacks were coming. “We knew everything,” Donald Trump said.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 14 2025 17:45 utc | 252

➡️Putin and Trump noted the brotherhood in arms during the Second World War;
➡️Both leaders expressed satisfaction with their “positive personal relationship”;
➡️Putin congratulated Trump on his birthday.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/151486
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 16:43 utc | 214
It’s got to really sting with some people that President VVP clearly respects and appreciates President Trump more than he respects any of Putin’s “supporters” in the Western branch of resistance media. The idea that Putin is snarling at Trump or offering “icy silences” in response to dialogue is belied by the entirety of their public interactions and readouts.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 14 2025 17:45 utc | 253

TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 17:37 utc | 253
*** Keep in mind, Russia’s the chess master ***
But only if the rules of the game are adhered to by both sides….
Kill the ‘chess master’ and the rival side can do whatever it wants with the pieces.
Because its objective is to win everything, not just a board game.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 14 2025 17:50 utc | 254

@ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 14 2025 16:49 utc | 221
I fail to understand where people are getting this belief that China and Russia will come to Iran’s aid.
Russia values the colonial state of Israel more than Iran. For years Russia allowed the evil entity to bomb Syria whenever it wanted. Russia did not punish Netanyahu when he killed Russian soldiers. Putin had Russians boycotting Turkey for killing Russian soldiers but he invited Netanyahu for the parade. Even now Russia still trades and has diplomatic ties to Israel.
China has talked a good game about the evils the evil entity is doing but it has not stopped trading with it.
The only true allies Iran has are the axis of resistance. It was important for Iran to militarily support Nasrallah and Hezbollah when evil-Israel attacked Lebanon. Inorder to avoid war, Iran did nothing but talk. It told the Iraqi resistance groups to stand down after they had attacked a US base and killed 4 American soldiers. They tried to get Ansar Allah to stop the red sea attacks on ships. Fortunately Ansar Allah said no.
The war Iran tried so hard to avoid is here and its true allies have been weakened.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 17:51 utc | 255

Trump just shat where he eats:
Charlie Kirk did a poll on his show (mostly young MAGA)
and 90% said NO ! to US war for Israel.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Charlie-Kirk-Poll-USA-Iran.jpg

Posted by: kupkee | Jun 14 2025 17:52 utc | 256

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 14 2025 17:17 utc
Well said Trubinda1
Just suppose if Ukraine “NATO” forces took out the top military leadership of Russia: Gerasimov, Belousov, Mordvichev, Shoigu and say Medvedev in one go, and the next day you see Xi calling Orangeman congratulating him on his birthday and saying that Russia and Ukraine “NATO” need to get back to negotiating table, what utter bullshit hyprocrisy would this be. Wouldn’t you think Xi was brain dead?
Sometimes you think what regard Putin has for Iran and their leadership. The mere fact he took a phone call from that Tel Aviv scum and resident of Hellfire shows you what kind of person he is, also very insulting to the Iranian people.

Posted by: Kamran | Jun 14 2025 17:52 utc | 257

Hellfires ?
50 kilo warhead
8km range

Posted by: Exile | Jun 14 2025 17:53 utc | 258

Iranian navy published a picture of a British Royal Navy frigate, which they forced to change course in the gulf of Oman.
Oh, by the way, isn’t Britain already involved in the conflict after harboring, fueling and arming Israeli jets in their Cyprus base and with their air tankers? Sink the b*stard.
https://x.com/mhmiranusa/status/1933942733657473268

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 14 2025 17:53 utc | 259

Because its objective is to win everything, not just a board game.
Posted by: Cynic | Jun 14 2025 17:50 utc | 260

Chess is all about anticipating your opponent’s moves. Don’t make the mistake of assuming they believe the West adheres to any “rules”.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 17:54 utc | 260

Hellfires ?
Posted by: Exile | Jun 14 2025 17:53 utc | 264
Meant for the Gaza strip, not Iran.
They plan to accelerate the genocide under the cover of a war with Iran.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 17:55 utc | 261

The OP is correct of course. But I remember the mass demonstrations against the war, which made zero difference.
Pardon the repost…

Skimming the comments, it seems useful to hark back to some basics.
1)Strategic air attacks do not win wars. Tactical air attacks win battles. Turning battles won into a war won is what strategy is about.
2)Neither the Zionist enterprise (and its US funder) can defeat Iran with air war. Unfortunately, the reasons for this are the same reasons Iran cannot defeat the Zionist enterprise with air war either.
3)No aid defense system will ever stop air raids. All they can do is keep attrition from air raids at a rate low than the recovery rate, which depends on recovery rate. The ability to restore after depends on population, industrial resources, raw materials and political will—none of which can be obliterated by strategic air war.
4)Neither the US nor Israel can rationally contemplate land operations in Iran. Again, for the same reasons, Iran cannot rationally contemplate a march to the Mediterranean.
5)It is almost certain the US’ fundamental strategy for regime change is premised on punishing the people of Iran with economic sanctions, while hoping the local wealthy will turn to a so-called bourgeois democratic solution. The so-called theocracy is blended with the old Iranian ruling class, thus eager for compromise. At this point, it appears that the theocracy proper is still intent on ruling over the mass of the population with their oppressive and reactionary ideology, hence there is in fact a widespread resentment among large strata and non-Persian nationalities of the population at large. Hence hopes for some variant of a color revolution or a simple comprador coup (more like what seems to me to have happened in Bangla Desh not so long ago?) are not completely delusional, merely completely ruthless. The likelihood that a carrot-and-stick policy would pay off for them better however has the problem that the decaying US has fewer carrots to offer…and its domestic politics orient to intimidation, punishment and violence too.
6)Russia is tied down with the SMO. PRC/CPC is tied down by its apparent commitment to a capitalist world economy? It doesn’t want to hopes for alliance with its own nascent bourgeoisie in the mainland proper, much less in Hong Kong and Taiwan?
7)It’s not over till its over. The Zionist campaign isn’t over yet. The only thing to say for certain yet, is Iran has been hurt. It is highly doubtful that IRI had a weapons program, but it seems likely enough that enough damage has been wrought that even if they were to switch gears, it would be delayed for months. I think IRI could in fact restore sufficient operations, since the Zioniists cannot use strategic air war to stop it. If that was the goal, the Zionists have been defeated. Either regime change in alliance with local Iranian factions or escalation to nukes. Those underground sites are only temporarily crippled by damage to the surface parts of the nuclear industrial system.
8)The hunger plan extermination of Gaza Palestinians will not I think be impaired. Nor will further operations in Lebanon and Syria. The Houthis are reliant on strategic air, therefore they cannot win.
9)Noting that this is a reverse for Iran is not trolling. For that matter, neither is pointing out that adulation of a personal hero, whether Putin or Xi or the Revolutionary Guard Corps has been embarrassed. This shouldn’t even be an issue, counting on some Hero from somewhere else to save us, always has a lot of childishness to it. Childishness helps no one. For MoA, with its large contingent of Trump cultists, trying to reduce this to, are you for Trump or against him, is simply virtue signaling, of the MAGA variety. That’s as use less as all virtue signaling.
10)The world is already in hybrid WWIII. Just as the old fascist onslaught of WWII had years to play out, including very dark years where the fascists seemed to be winning, so too it can be for the US empire’s attempt to re-divide the world under its new, leaner, meaner hegemony. Final despair is unwarranted.
11)Just as IRI and the Zionist enterprise, domestic politics matters.
12)Everybody loses in a general exchange of nuclear weapons. There is no radioactive mode of production.

Ultimately the important issue is regime change in the Zionist project and in the US. Nobody has any plans for that, which is part of the problem.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 14 2025 17:13 utc | 240 This is from the Trotskyite wrecker. The implication that a so-called we are better off now because at least we don’t have a dead body, or worse, that the regime change is already upon us, is propaganda cover for Trump cultism. Can’t defend the tin God Trump openly, so attack everybody who isn’t a Trumper, on some pretext or other.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jun 14 2025 17:55 utc | 262

Did Bibi say this from his hideout on that English Airbase in Cyprus ? 🤣
Posted by: Exile | Jun 14 2025 17:39 utc | 255

I remember Nasrallah talking about bombing that base if they helped the evil colony attack them.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 17:56 utc | 263

Maybe Hitler was right then!

Posted by: dodo | Jun 14 2025 17:58 utc | 264

The war Iran tried so hard to avoid is here and its true allies have been weakened.
Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 17:51 utc | 261

Premature assessment, IMO.
The SMO is three years old and the it’s only the “collective west” that is materially weakened. There are numerous indications that’ll be the case in the Middle East as well.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 17:59 utc | 265

RE: “ It’s got to really sting with some people that President VVP **clearly respects and appreciates President Trump more than he respects any of Putin’s “supporters” in the Western branch of resistance media.*** The idea that Putin is snarling at Trump or offering “icy silences” in response to dialogue is belied by the entirety of their public interactions and readouts.”
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 14 2025 17:45 utc | 259
Perhaps.
Although, “Trump” is far & away less worthy of that respect and appreciation.
But, Putin made his choice. He can live with the betrayal…again… without “supporters” next time.
We cant all be attorneys.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 14 2025 18:05 utc | 266

From 2012:
– WikiLeaks: Russia gave Israel codes for defense system sold to Iran-
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4196357,00.html

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 18:08 utc | 267

I share this sentiment. The next time some Chinese spokesman states “deep concern” over the empire’s genocidal wars, I am going to puke.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 14 2025 16:44 utc | 215
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One must understand that Russia is not part of the Anglosphere. China will never be like the West.
When the Chinese express “deep concern”, that’s a hyper-subtle sign to their target audience, which is Chinese, not you. Chinese hear that and think, “this is a big deal” because the Chinese wouldn’t bother to comment if they didn’t have an opinion. It’s not a culture of non-stop talk like the West.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 18:09 utc | 268

TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 17:18 utc | 243–
Frackers and their financiers need much higher crude prices to continue their operations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2025 18:09 utc | 269

Iran should make sure none of its generals are talking to Qatar, UAE or Saudi Arabia. The fall of Libya and Syria happened due to traitorous generals being bribed by Arab leaders on behalf of NATO/US/ISRAEL.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 18:09 utc | 270

Expect missiles from Iran soon

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 18:10 utc | 271

@214,
Utterly disgusting. Putin rubbing the ego of the Orange Monkey.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 14 2025 16:47 utc | 216

A ruse?

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 14 2025 18:12 utc | 272

“Piers Morgan, who spent the past 3 years hysterically shrieking “RUSSIAS UNPROVOKED INVASION, TERRITORIAL SOVEREIGTNY, ILLEGAL WAR”, has now come out to defend the US-Israeli illegal war on Iran as being awesome and great actually. One of the most disgusting shameless scum alive…..”
Posted by: michaelj72
Well, after all, he accused Israel of committing genocide in Gaza.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 14 2025 18:13 utc | 273

❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 NEW: Squadrons of Israeli jets over Iraq, the airstrikes can come at any time
The current air defenses are only active against small loitering munitions, not ‘real’ Israeli strikes.
@Middle_East_Spectator

The best defence is offence, Iran … Use it or lose it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 18:14 utc | 274

Perhaps, as the rule of unintended consequences would love, perhaps North Korea could give some its missiles with nuclear warheads to Iran now
We, the collective West, are specialists in the area of doing fatal mistakes that hurts us much more than what we tried to solve…

Posted by: aaa | Jun 14 2025 18:16 utc | 275

meanwhile back at The Ranch
israel delenda est
see the 35-second video at the first link
see the 12-second video at the second link
see the 33-second video at the third link
https://x.com/ihcentoo/status/1933720145987273185
Ihcen 🔻 @ihcentoo
Last night, the occupying forces carried out several massacres in the Gaza Strip, including an attack by naval units targeting displacement tents along the shores of Northern Gaza.
https://x.com/HossamShabat/status/1933578013058175478
حسام شبات @HossamShabat
A heartbreaking scene from Rafah: A son transports his martyred father’s body on his bicycle after he was targeted by the Israeli occupation terrorist army near the “DEATH TRAP”, so-called U.S. aid distribution point in the western part of the city.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1933653569183293497
Drop Site @DropSiteNews
🚨Gaza | June 13, 2025
Israel has killed more than 50 Palestinians across the Strip since dawn, amid a second consecutive day of total internet blackout. For the first time since the genocide began, both the Palestinian Ministry of Health and Gaza’s Government Media Office have been unable to issue public updates—likely due to the collapse of communications.
Israeli forces have continued bombing relentlessly—from Jabalia, Beit Lahiya, and Beit Hanoon in the north to Khan Younis and so-called “safe zones” like al-Mawasi in the south.
Sahat English reports that Israeli gunboats opened fire on tents along Gaza’s seashore. Footage from the scene shows four people killed and ten wounded. There are also reports of a massacre in the Shati Refugee Camp after tents were bombed.
Earlier today, Anadolu Agency reported that 10 Palestinians were killed near a school shelter in Khan Younis.
Reporting from Deir el-Balah, Al Jazeera journalist Hind Khoudary said the blackout is crippling emergency response, with ambulances unable to locate the wounded. Crews aren’t receiving calls from residents, making it nearly impossible to coordinate rescues. “It’s affecting lives being saved,” she said.
Khoudary noted that Israeli forces “open fire every single morning” on Palestinians trying to collect aid from the Israeli- and U.S.-backed Gaza “Humanitarian” Foundation. “Earlier today, there were a lot of Palestinians killed at the sites,” she said.
With Gaza under blackout, little footage is getting out—but the massacres are ongoing.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 14 2025 18:19 utc | 276

Iran under attack 14 minutes ago.
https://nitter.poast.org/IranObserver0/status/1933948750147240412#m
Britain sent military jets to help Israel against Iran – the English government has joint defence plan with Israel – if either is attacked the other will aid the one under attack.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/uk-sends-fighter-jets-to-middle-east-as-israel-iran-conflict-escalates/ar-AA1GIpSs?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 14 2025 18:22 utc | 277

3 power plants
2 rafineries
1 big airport

Posted by: Exile | Jun 14 2025 18:24 utc | 278

The readout of the Putin/Trump phone chat was “filtered” by Presidential Aide Yury Ushakov. The one very clear point made was Trump’s clear bias for the Zionists because of the “effectiveness” of their strikes. Why would Trump express “alarm” over a situation he created? Perhaps because Iran’s ability to respond was played down so much. The Iranian refusal to continue negotiations with the Outlaw US Empire won’t be swayed by Russian words as there’s nothing to negotiate. And since the E3 never did anything to fulfill their part of the JCPOA, which involved dropping sanctions and increasing trade, Iran has no fear of the snap-back crap.
What I’m rooting for is Congress voting for the further sanctions on Russia that have the 500% tariffs as that will be an own goal of extreme importance.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2025 18:25 utc | 279

Iran under attack 14 minutes ago.
https://nitter.poast.org/IranObserver0/status/1933948750147240412#m
Britain sent military jets to help Israel against Iran – the English government has joint defence plan with Israel – if either is attacked the other will aid the one under attack.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/uk-sends-fighter-jets-to-middle-east-as-israel-iran-conflict-escalates/ar-AA1GIpSs?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 14 2025 18:26 utc | 280

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 16:39 utc | 210

More like snapshots of Gaza.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jun 14 2025 16:31 utc | 203
That’s what I meant. The Iranian missiles have the same capacity to turn a couple of suburban blocks into a cameo of the Gaza strip.
All the need to do is keep stamping out the same pattern all over Tel Aviv …

They could have the same capacity if they were deployed in comparable volume. But as I mentioned on the last thread and more recently Ornot | Jun 14 2025 16:24 utc | 196, there are orders of magnitude in difference.
Israel has been busy for nearly two years straight, deploying gravity bombs, drones, artillery and ground demolition crews with a definite plan to clear vast expanses of Palestine of any indegenous presence.
Iran has launched a couple of volleys of missiles in one day. Pretending the amount of destruction is comparable is plain revisionism, whitewashing the ongoing war crimes of Israel.

Posted by: robin | Jun 14 2025 18:26 utc | 281

RE: The best defence is offence, Iran … Use it or lose it.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 18:14 utc | 281
Always agreed.
Side note… SCO just issued “condemnation” of USReal attack.
Mentioning “resolving Irans nuclear program peacefully & requires political resolution”.
This across all countries & platforms.
As if Irans nuclear program is the culprit of this “security crisis”.
Never a word on reigning the dogs of terror in. Just what “Iran needs to do” for peace.
No United or even singular sanctions, embargoes and only one or 2 embassy closures.
So, would appear, it’s all in Iran to restore”peace and security” via “returning to the negotiating table” that will end this.
So, absolutely, balls to the walls Iran.
As everyone desires your capitulation to USReal “deal” and loss of sovereignty. You’ve got nothing to lose now, but that.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 14 2025 18:26 utc | 282

“Iranian Navy intercepted a British destroyer that entered northern Indian Ocean to help guide Israeli missiles toward Iran,” – IRNA, Iranian state-media.
https://nitter.poast.org/GlobeWarReport/status/1933951268462199024#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 14 2025 18:31 utc | 283

“Iranian Navy intercepted a British destroyer that entered northern Indian Ocean to help guide Israeli missiles toward Iran,” – IRNA, Iranian state-media.
https://nitter.poast.org/GlobeWarReport/status/1933951268462199024#m
Initial reports, the cruise missiles launched earlier have impacted against southern Tehran.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 14 2025 18:32 utc | 284

you people need to review the Algerian story. The French got more and more brutal suppressing natives, eventually, they fled overnight. They didn’t lose a war, they weren’t willing to fight/live in such a hostile and unstable land, their own brutality revolted them even before they ever admitted to it.
Iran doesn’t need to destroy Israel for it to fail. It’s very perilous, and will have no ability to form a new government

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jun 14 2025 18:33 utc | 285

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 16:43 utc | 214
🇷🇺🇺🇸 Putin Held a Phone Call with Trump — Key Points:
➡️The conversation lasted 50 minutes and was described as useful

That says a lot in diplomatic lingo 🙂
I’ll spell something out that’s obvious but I’ve seen so many complaints about the Putin-Trump talk or China’s “deep concern” by what I deem human non-troll posters that it is hopefully worth the space.
Why the soft words from China and Russia?
1. It provides an off-ramp to the enemy.
To understand this, assume that the enemy (whoever is making decisions in/for Washington, London, Brussels etc.) is not a single bloc but consists of factions. These factions agree on many things (for example, that it’d be nice to split up Russia, and that China is a problem) but they don’t agree on everything, particularly not on immediately policy. You can see this among Zionists in Iran.
When China speaks softly and Putin invites US capital investments then that’s incentive to a certain capitalist class. This is valuable. And much better than the hardline “you’re bad, we’re now eternal enemies” stance.
2. Historical digression: 1939 USSR leaders had no illusions about Hitler’s intentions to eventually attack Russia. Nonetheless they were pragmatic enough to keep up (mutually beneficial) trade until Barbarossa and they agreed for the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact after it was clear that a coalition with the main capitalist countries wouldn’t happen. This is realpolitik par excellence, and it worked. I trust that Putin/Kremlin and Xi/Beijing are among the best realpoliticians on the planet. That’s good IMO.
3. Each such statement is also made with the rest of the world in mind. Wouldn’t it be nice if the post-unipolar world, China doesn’t simply exhibit the bad traits everyone knows from the USA? Speaking softly and insisting on rules/laws builds trust.
4. Just game-theoretically, there is nothing to gain from an uncompromising stance. (In the iterated prisoner’s dilemma, “eternal punishment” i.e. only tats after the first tit, is one of the worst strategies.) China and Russia support their allies, and this can happen without much noise. The recent Russia-Iran defence pact is an extremely strong statement. Lavrov can make a thoughtfully worded complaint about Israel aggression but the enemy knows where Russia stands.
Think less like video gamers and more like Stalins or Bismarcks, is what I am trying to say.
Thank you Norwegian for your postings in the last few days, they were extremely useful to me. And thanks to everyone else who was able to suppress the “Iran weak! Iran bust!” diarrhea first and the “now Iran must … [mostly: kill X / destroy Y]” now. The calm, sensible postings are few but really appreciated.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 14 2025 18:37 utc | 286

All drones have video feeds. The US, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, India and others have no problem providing them . Until Iran does the same I take these proclamations with a grain of salt.
Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:20 utc | 191
This is the most bullshit argument ever. Geran-2, the infamous ‘Dorito’, does not have a video feed. Nor do most long range cruise missiles, which is what ‘suicide drones’ really are.
If you are going to be a fucking tool at least make an argument that is not complete bullshit to 99.44% of the people reading it.

Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 14 2025 18:38 utc | 287

Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺
@ejmalrai
2h
BreakingNews:
Israel has established two drone bases to engage with Iran 24/7: one in Azerbaijan and one in Kurdistan, Iraq. These enable Israel to hit individuals, cars, trucks, and small objectives, reducing huge travel distances and rearmament supply.

I knew Azerbaijan was involved. Raisi was coming from Azerbaijan when his helicopter crashed.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 18:39 utc | 288

Frackers and their financiers need much higher crude prices to continue their operations.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2025 18:09 utc | 276

There’s a “sweet spot” there very aptly described in a clip from “Landman”:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CX-mXJHhOvk

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 18:43 utc | 289

For those going on and on, about VVP keeping a civil communication with Orange Ego, I offer Winnie:
“When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.”

Posted by: kupkee | Jun 14 2025 18:43 utc | 290

Mike Mihajlovik, engineer specializing in radar counter-measures and decoys believes 75% of the videos of Israeli hits on missile systems are decoys, as there are no secondary explosions.
https://t.me/Anlystintel/24955

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 14 2025 18:44 utc | 291

IRI nuclear centre of knowledge (NCK) remains intact.
IRI cells already in Tel Aviv and its surroundings.
KSA and SQA remains at serious risk.

Posted by: pepe | Jun 14 2025 18:44 utc | 292

Utterly disgusting. Putin rubbing the ego of the Orange Monkey.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 14 2025 16:47 utc | 216

Never mistake diplomacy for respect.
The only thing Putin appreciates more about Trump than Biden is his willingness to talk.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 18:45 utc | 293

Posted by: kupkee | Jun 14 2025 18:43 utc | 297
100%

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 14 2025 18:46 utc | 294

@Konami | Jun 14 2025 18:37 utc | 293

Thank you Norwegian for your postings in the last few days, they were extremely useful to me.

Thank you, good to hear! I agree with your take on Russia/China.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 18:46 utc | 295

Israel Channel 13: “Families of Israeli government ministers have been evacuated to secret locations.”
7 of Iran’s 31 provinces have air defenses active currently – Israel is trying to convince the US to join the military campaign against Iran saying it’s a once in a lifetime opportunity to eliminate the threat once and for all
France will also deploy assets to the ME in coordination with US & Israel in the coming days.
British PM Keir Starmer announces that he has ordered multiple squadrons of British RAF Europfighters to be deployed to the middle east to help in the defense of Israel
The war on Iran has entered a new phase,” – Israeli Channel 12.
“The army intends to attack national and energy infrastructure in Iran in response to targeting civilians,”
Iran’s intelligence services have arrested atkeast 16 Mossad-affiliated collaborators and spies across Iran
We can’t fully destroy Iran’s nuclear infrastructure – According to reports Israel still doesn’t have the capabilities to physically breach the underground nuclear facilities or the missile cities of Iran.
It can only be done with Cyber attacks or sabotage, Or the next option is US Bombers
Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, has directed the armed forces to fire missiles into civilian areas in Israel, stating ‘there are no civilians in Israel

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 14 2025 18:46 utc | 296

Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, has directed the armed forces to fire missiles into civilian areas in Israel, stating ‘there are no civilians in Israel
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 14 2025 18:46 utc | 303
says Israeli media.

Posted by: UWDude | Jun 14 2025 18:48 utc | 297

@ JB | Jun 14 2025 17:21 utc | 244
i agree with you.. excellent 20 minute video.. thanks!

Posted by: james | Jun 14 2025 18:48 utc | 298

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 14 2025 18:46 utc | 303
Someone claimed Iran’s nuclear assets are 600m below the ground. No bunker buster can reach, only option to bomb entrances.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 14 2025 18:49 utc | 299

B, your understanding of Al Qaeda does not conform with my history of the Afghan War. The socialist government in Kabul attempted to tax the rural fiefs and even institute land reform. The very conservative landowners rebelled and fought back. The Americans noticed this and began to arm them, furthering the chance of a Soviet intervention to protect Kabul. That was the beginning.
To fund their project, the CIA enlisted the Saudis for money and troops—that is where Osama bin Ladin came from. ‘Al Qaeda’ means ‘the base’ in Arabic, which is different from ‘Taliban’ which means ‘student’. I don’t know anything about Al Qaeda’s origin story, but it was from Saudi-funded Madrassas in Pakistan where the Taliban emerged.
Pakistan funded and armed the Taliban to take control of Afghanistan from the corrupt warlords who had once been mujahideen.

Posted by: Tedder | Jun 14 2025 18:49 utc | 300