Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 14, 2025
Lies Used To Justify War On Iraq Get Reused To Wage War On Iran

Former CIA officer Larry Johnson opines:

I believe that Israel’s attack was part of a planned international intelligence and military operation, which included the participation and support of the United States, the United Kingdom, France and Germany. We got the first clue on May 31, when a UN watchdog issued two reports designed to create a narrative that Iran is a rogue nuclear state:

This tactic was employed in 2002/2003 to gin up a justification to attack Iraq, who the US insisted had weapons of mass destruction. We now know it was a lie, but the propaganda was effective in producing support in the US and Europe to invade Iraq. We’re seeing a similar effort today, only this time Iran is being falsely accused of enriching uranium to build a bomb. The Iraq WMD lie, like the current calumny against Iran, only has one purpose… justify military action in order to achieve regime change.

I have previously detailed the current IAEA operation to blame Iran over some alleged nuclear contamination which were found more than two decades ago.

During the build-up to the 2003 war on Iraq there was another lie that famously used to 'justify' the attack.

It was alleged that Iraq's leader Saddam Hussein was in cahoots with al-Qaeda, a terrorist group that had been created by the U.S. in Pakistan to fight against the Soviet supported government of Afghanistan.

Al-Qaeda was alleged to have committed attacks in the U.S. on 9/11 2001. Associating Iraq, which had fought against al-Qaeda inspired groups, with al-Qaeda itself was the second most cited lie used to justify the U.S. war on Iraq.

It is no wonder than that a similar narrative is now suddenly being build with regards to Iran.

David Ignatius, the unofficial CIA spokesman at the Washington Post, was told to publish this nonsense (archived):

But Iran has other means to hit back. One that has received little attention is its relationship with al-Qaeda affiliates. According to former U.S. counterterrorism officials, Tehran has built good relations with the new “de facto” al-Qaeda “emir,” Saif al-Adel, who took over in 2023 after Ayman al-Zawahiri was killed. These former officials say Adel helped manage WMD planning for Osama bin Laden.

The al-Qaeda affiliate in Yemen may pose a special danger. It’s headed by Saad bin Atef al-Awlaki, who posted a chilling video this month threatening U.S. officials. “Go after the scum of the earth and its greatest criminals,” he urged his followers, naming Trump, Vice President JD Vance, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and former DOGE chief Elon Musk. “There are no red lines after all that has been happening to our people in Gaza,” he said. According to the Jerusalem Post, Awlaki urged Muslims in Europe and America to make sure there is “not a single safe place” for Jews.

Who would be those "former U.S. counterterrorism officials"? Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, or some other notorious liars?

Saif al-Adel, the "de facto" never declared leader of Al-Qaeda has since 2001 been rumored to be in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt and Iran where he allegedly was once under house arrest and later exchanged against Iranian hostages held by al-Qaeda in Yemen.

Over more than two decades the Shia Iran has fought the Sunni al-Qaeda wherever it could. Its operations against Sunni extremist in Iraq and Syria were largely wars against al-Qaeda affiliated forces. In Yemen Iran is allied with the Houthi who are fighting against U.S. supported al-Qaeda aligned groups in the south of the country. A similar situation exists in Lebanon where Iran supported Hizbullah forces have for years feuded against al-Qaeda aligned radicals.

To claim that Iran is now somehow in cahoots with Saif al-Adel, an alleged but never declared leader of a more or less extinct al-Qaeda, is blatant nonsense.

David Ignatius is a much read 'opinion leader'. That he was told to trot out those nonsensical claims is a signal for others to pick up on them.

We can now expect lots of other second rated opinion writers to come up with similar tales.

It is, like the attempt to associated Iran with weapons of mass destruction, a narrative that will be used to further escalate the current regime change war on Iran.

Comments

Posted by: Kamran | Jun 14 2025 14:38 utc | 92
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Russia and China are making moves. That you don’t recognize them isn’t their fault.
Your job is to make sure everyone around you knows about Israeli crimes. About the complicity of Western governments in the starvation, torture, and violence against civilians.
China is doing a lot. Russia is at war with NATO and doing what it can.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 14:54 utc | 101

@William Gruff
“What delusional, petite bourgeois bullshit.”
Ok, I see. But when the Zionists say, we have to kill everybody in the Gaza strip if we want to destroy Hamas, you cry.
If you have to become a monster to beat the Zionists, you’ve lost.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 14 2025 14:55 utc | 102

Otto Penn | Jun 14 2025 12:10 utc | 18
Zionists, whose true religion and identity is Victimhood,
are offended by everything and ashamed of nothing.
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An excellent distillation.
If one remembers that victimhood also implies a sense of entitlement and superiority.
Leading to passive aggression.
That leads directly to offense taken at responses to own actions so that those defending themselves are perceived as aggressors.
Leading back to entitlement to take any kind of aggressive action and see it as justified revenge.
IMO this whole suite of neuroses and pathologies are different but coordinated methods to dominate others.
Even Jewish humor is all about domination via one means or another.

Posted by: Jane | Jun 14 2025 14:55 utc | 103

Roundup…not sure where to place so just post it here:
•Palestine
– “…declaration of the West Bank as a closed military zone”
– Coms still largely down in Gaza
– At least two massacres of those attending “aid distribution” in last twelve hours, with over thirty killed/martyred and over two hundred injured
– Continued bombardment and shelling
– Almost all hospitals out of service, rescue crews cannot locate or reach where they are needed.
– Groups of Palestinians arrested for celebrating Iranian retaliation. Celebrations occurred around the region.
– Convoy to Gaza, various stopped at Egyptian border, aggressions, deportations.
•Iran
– Sixty killed/martyred when housing block hit, including twenty children
– Jordan intercepting Iranian drones
– Two f35 verified by official, one pilot captured
– “Israel” claiming air superiority now over Tehran
– Consideration of closing Hormuz
– “Israel” continues to attack what it estimates as targets
– Iran vows to increase intensity of strikes

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 14 2025 14:56 utc | 104

Posted by: Jane | Jun 14 2025 14:47 utc | 98
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Israeli tactics are not going to win this conflict.
Netanyahu is not the leader of Zionism. He’s like Trump. The face. Not the brain.
Taking out the top Israeli military and intelligence leaders would probably be more effective.
Getting emotional won’t serve Iran.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 14:57 utc | 105

If US were to get more involved than shotting down drones with USAF/USMC fighter aircraft from bases in Jordan……. Maybe it would be safe to run a USN CVN up near Cyprus.
Turkiye is loaded with NATO deployment sites left over from plans to fight the Soviets from a “southern” front.
https://efile.fara.gov/docs/5712-Informational-Materials-20201031-20.pdf
In east Turkiye are 3 bases suitable to fighters, a E3TF base, a missile defense radar,
Suppose the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia decides it does not want to see the Hormuz shutdown and joins with Iran? Would they enforce an oil embargo rather than Iran doing it kinetically?

Posted by: paddy | Jun 14 2025 14:59 utc | 106

If you have to become a monster to beat the Zionists, you’ve lost.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 14 2025 14:55 utc | 104
These are not the luxuries life offers us.
Your options are to become either a monster or a corpse.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 14:59 utc | 107

Another view of the wreckage in Tel Aviv:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Q-9ASCsIKlA?si=9CRM1DMcdVSu6lff
This is so … Gaza Strip.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 15:01 utc | 108

@102
The Sadrists in Iraq out number all your fictional crazies, significantly! While Iran is a big country with none of them close to eachother.

Posted by: pady | Jun 14 2025 15:02 utc | 109

Someone forgot to inform Iran’s AD that the “stealth” F-35 cannot be seen. Iran now reports downing its third; Another pilot captured after ejecting; Star of David on the charred fuselage.
This isn’t just a problem for “Israel.” With the F-35 design philosophy rendered obsolete, there are a whole lot of very expensive, more or less useless warplanes in our Western arsenal. At some point, we’ll see Palestinians learn this AD trick from the Iranians, most likely.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 14 2025 15:03 utc | 110

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 14 2025 14:55 utc | 104
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Correct.
I believe the test is to succeed without losing one’s soul.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 15:04 utc | 111

“These are not the luxuries life offers us.
Your options are to become either a monster or a corpse.”
Posted by: Arch Bungle
Well, I don’t want to become a monster.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 14 2025 15:06 utc | 112

Your options are to become either a monster or a corpse.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 14:59 utc | 109
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If one is a materialist, they fear death. Fear of death leads to cowardice. That is how we got to this situation.
Arch my friend, you’re going to die and there is nothing you can do to prevent it.
Die with honor or die as a monster.
Take inspiration from the Yemeni, from the Iranians, from Nasrallah. Don’t become like Trump or Bibi.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 15:08 utc | 113

No, Nietzsche was a delusional middle-class apologist for the elites, and that whole “roll over and die to maintain the moral high ground” nonsense is exactly the kind of programming the monster wants its victims to have.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 14 2025 14:45 utc | 97

Where do you get that? Nietzsche was very about not taking on the Judeo-Christian slave morality that elevated their underdog status.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 14 2025 15:08 utc | 114

Apollyon @104:

…when the Zionists say, we have to kill everybody in the Gaza strip if we want to destroy Hamas, you cry.
If you have to become a monster to beat the Zionists, you’ve lost.

Except that is not what the zionists are doing. They are genociding Gaza simply for the genocide itself. Hamas is irrelevant to their genocide. That is what makes the zionists monsters, not their use of violence.
If you have to kill all the zionists to beat the zionists and you do so, then you win. Simple as that.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 14 2025 15:09 utc | 115

“I believe the test is to succeed without losing one’s soul.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass
“What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?”
Mark 8:36

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 14 2025 15:09 utc | 116

good quote…

Posted by: james | Jun 14 2025 15:10 utc | 117

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 14 2025 15:09 utc | 118
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Now you talk big about Zionists but have been a supporter of one of the biggest.
Trump is a key part of this mess. You know that but choose to ignore it when convenient.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 15:12 utc | 118

” ‘Turning the other cheek’ is a Christian thing.
‘An eye for an eye’ is Judaism.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jun 14 2025 14:41 utc | 95 ”
First: Remember what Putin did to Grozny?
Second: Iranians are Muslim not Christian.

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 15:12 utc | 119

– This confirms a pattern. The US + NATO used the Ukraine as a proxy in the war against Russia. Israel is used for a proxy war against Iran with the use of US military bases in the Middle East (Operation “Rising Lion”). Iraq was used as a proxy in the western war against Iran between 1980 and 1988. Who is the next proxy ? Japan, South Korea and Taiwan in the war against China ?
(The coming war with China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V42KtSeo3uI ).

Posted by: WMG | Jun 14 2025 15:13 utc | 120

To the pro-nuke crowd: wiser people than you in iran’s leadership have decided they would rather not have these weapons for good and sufficient and most importantly Iranian reasons. The whole point of the Islamic Revolution was to prevent westoxification. If they had wanted these unusable and immoral weapons, they would have developed or bought them by now. This is 80 year old tech, after all.
There is no consequence of having/using nukes that is better than not having/using them, especially for a middle ranking power like Iran. The only power it gives you is the power of MAD: the power to annihilate yourself, both morally as well as physically, by destroying the “other.” It is no choice for sane and rational people.
No one in the world has more nukes than Russia … is this fact preventing the west from attacking her? From sanctions? From terrorism? To the extent that Russia has security, it is due to conventional weapons and security systems and the valor of her people. That is what Iran needs to rely on, for better or for worse.

Posted by: Caliman | Jun 14 2025 15:13 utc | 121

Posted by: LoveDonbass
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 14 2025 15:09 utc | 119
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 14 2025 15:09 utc | 118
That’s why nuclear deterrents are such a great idea.
You get them, you keep them, nobody screws with you – and you get to keep your soul in the process just as long you wave them around every now and again as a reminder.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 15:13 utc | 122

Thanks Ornot at 106 – very, very important to keep focussed on Gaza and the West Bank as well as on Iranian actions. Not only can Israel be expected to take advantage of the distraction, but also to redirect their rage and frustration regarding their failures in the current situation on Palestinians in Gaza/West Bank. Important aspects of the current Iranian successes are the multiple failures of the anchors of Israel/US/UK missile/drone deterent systems as well as the numbers of F16 and F35’s which have been shot down over Iran. Israeli military efficacy has been unmistakably challenged and in some degree found wanting. Screens across the world are broadcasting these failures to any and all across the rest of the world. Humiliation of Israel/US/UK is no small part of the Iranian armementarium and an important one in the ongoing narrative.

Posted by: abierno | Jun 14 2025 15:16 utc | 123

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 14 2025 15:09 utc | 119
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I pity people who cannot recognize their souls or the souls of others.
Personally, I would rather err in mercy than err in anger.
To each their own.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 15:16 utc | 124

This new colonial war, as was the case at the time of Vietnam. Yes #@Tak Tik- that resonates, thanks #@UK Defektor
The factories aren’t there as Golden Billion are on (just about) the wrong side of the equation…for now.
As far as Russian Iran relations & mutual defence I’m positive I can’t school Barflies on consequences of the Iran Presidential helicopter crash, nor if rotor bolts were kiln baked or not?
What can be agreed upon is both Syrian regime change AND Iran leadership change played well in Israeli favour, and referencing the murders of Irani key personnel ~ this has been a long time in planning as Ritter claims.
Regarding Bilderberg can we note BP’s attendance, same BP who bloodily overthrew Selassie in Ethiopia and as Anglo Persian Oil installed the Shah of Iran thuggish regime.
As an infrequent poster I don’t want to wear thin any welcome, so I’ll save more for any responses. I’d just note Islander News coverage of Saada City Mega TV and strength of feeling against Israel. Something that US realised that in 20 years in Afghanistan they were breeding their own perpetual enemies:
Yemeni crowd ERUPTS in cheers as Iranian missiles hit live-streaming on a huge screen in Saada City. Islander News
https://t.me/TheIslanderNews/44807

Posted by: Mercury | Jun 14 2025 15:17 utc | 125

Regardless of the final totals, even downing one F-35 is huge and has implications for years to come. I do wonder if Iran could generate enough missiles to erase most of Israel’s infrastructure by sheer volume.
My other wonderment is the extreme extension of Netanyahu’s regime. It’s truly something almost miraculous to behold. Is he old? Got Cancer? Indicated for crimes? Heading a shaky coalition with barely enough votes gathered from fractious allies? Does Israel have air defenses that are really effective? I can go on….
Somehow, it doesn’t collapse. Really breathtaking.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 14 2025 15:17 utc | 126

@UK Defektor|#2
Best post so far. And I tried to say this yesterday, but my post was deleted!
Also, Brian Berletic latest video said those pics of downed F-35s are bogus.

Posted by: Whistlen | Jun 14 2025 15:19 utc | 127

suzan | Jun 14 2025 14:53 utc | 101
Very nice – I’ll add you to my list of people who can see the big picture, who know what’s happening and why it’s happening.
I’ll make a small confession – I made a grudging concession to the idea that polar reserves might have held some promise to provide sufficient buffer to conduct a semi-managed wind down process.
Now, it’s crystal clear that we are way way over the peak with no possible way of recovery.
Traditionally, the money power conducted wars as a way of clearing the inevitable accumulation of bad debts, while simulatenously preparing the way for another freash tranche of lending driven by military spending.
Controlling populations via unified messaging plus the all important imposition of austerity and dramatically reduced civil rights and living standards was always just the frosting.
But now? Some critical decision was made to launch this 2nd front sooner than later. I’m not sure I really want to know how bad it is; imagine reading the reports …

Posted by: Markw | Jun 14 2025 15:21 utc | 128

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 15:12 utc | 122
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Putin saved lives and ultimately saved the Chechen people by Grozny.
Sometimes a hysterical person needs a slap.
I see the Eastern leaders (except Modi) fulfilling the role of patriarch. Sometimes they have to be hard to protect their “kids”. They sometimes have to be hard with their “kids”.
Islam and Christianity are patriarchical. When they are at their best, they play the assigned roles.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 15:22 utc | 129

LoveTDS @121
Your TDS has caused your brains to turn to shit. Just because I don’t become a hysterical fruitcake on the topic of Trump like you do doesn’t mean I support him, but your mind is too ruined with TDS for you to comprehend that.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 14 2025 15:22 utc | 130

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 14:53 utc | 102
> – MEK, Azerbaijani forces, Baluch Terrorists, ISIS in Iraq (and Afghanistan) are all surrounding Iran awaiting the fall of the state so they can flood in under American protection and dismantle the Iranian Military.
Russia learned that lesson with Syria. It will not let this time Iran (far bigger influence in Russian neighborhood) fall in hands of terrorists.
IMO chances for that to happen are minimal, even without Russia’s support.
OTOH, nukes are requirement for Iran’s security. North Korea played it smart and built them, noone is messing with it any more.

Posted by: Abe | Jun 14 2025 15:23 utc | 131

” Someone forgot to inform Iran’s AD that the “stealth” F-35 cannot be seen. Iran now reports downing its third; Another pilot captured after ejecting; Star of David on the charred fuselage.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 14 2025 15:03 utc | 113 ”
Videos? Photos? Video of captured pilot?

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 15:27 utc | 132

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 14 2025 14:45 utc | 97

“You don’t walk single file into the gas chambers when the monster directs you to because violence, even against monsters, is distasteful. How did that work out for the Jews?”

Since they didn’t walk into gas chambers they probably showered after a particularly difficult shift of forced labor? I can agree with your whole thought here, , William except these three sentences. Time to lay the jewish holocaust to rest, eh?
https://waltking.substack.com/p/auschwitz-six-facts-and-seven-questions

“They became that monster anyway.”

Only the brainwashed ones did. Who else could rationally adhere to zionism?

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Jun 14 2025 15:27 utc | 133

No one should be surprised the F-35 is overrated.
Don’t forget the Yemenis were almost shooting them down a month ago.
The Yemenis.
I do wonder how Iran could capture an F-35 pilot without hitting an F-35.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 15:29 utc | 134

DW News is leading its Wasrael coverage with a brief clip of an Iranian hypersonic missile streaking down onto the Capital of the Shitty Little Country.
It looks exactly the same as the Oreshnik projectiles Russia unleashed on Ukraine.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 14 2025 15:29 utc | 135

@ Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 14 2025 15:29 utc | 139
apparently this can happen, but it is impossible for iran to take down an f35.. go figure..

Posted by: james | Jun 14 2025 15:32 utc | 136

@134,
Did they learn?
Reading TASS or other newsletters you have the impression that everything is fine. They just need to do a little more negotiation.
While I don’t believe that Russia could’ve done too much for Syria (the dice was already casted for the regime back then), in this case it is about Iran (a crucial element in Russia’s foreign policy and economic reach) and frankly I am really disappointed on how they handle the situation so far.
They should try to help Iran as much as possible to make sure its survives because if they lose and regime change happens, not only do they lose a critical partner in the region but also any sort of investment that they did there. I don’t know what sort of AD they sent to Iran since the fall of Assad, but that should’ve been the moment when decision making in Moscow should’ve seen what will happen further.
I could say the same thing for India, but they are largely irrelevant anyway. Modi has successfully undermined BRICS in multiple occasions. Much less help Iran when they “buddies” with Israel.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 14 2025 15:32 utc | 137

In case people don’t realize it yet, we are inside of a World War in everything but name.
The military war against Iran is part of the proxy war against Russia and the economic war against China.
This is an existential war–between the American Empire and its stooges vs. the few nations that stand in the way of Making the American Empire Great Again.
U.S. ATTACKS IRAN THROUGH ISRAEL, War Aimed at Destroying Multi-Polar World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=SvszK5nt2Ow
Just because the America-dominated “Free Press” hasn’t told you (yet), doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
Americans and the so-called Free World are arrogantly insouciant about this current world war because it doesn’t really impact them personally and, most importantly, they are not citizens of the targeted nations in this war.
For these people, war is a spectator sport like watching TV or surfing on the internet, as America courageously fights its wars through proxies like Ukraine or Israel.
However, perhaps war will soon be paying their countries a visit–up close and personal, Shock and Awe Style. The Israelis are already learning this lesson.
And, to be blunt, it’s long overdue that the Anglo-Americans reap this whirlwind as well:
F*ck Around.
Find Out.

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 14 2025 15:32 utc | 138

@WMG | Jun 14 2025 15:13 utc | 123

– This confirms a pattern. The US + NATO used the Ukraine as a proxy in the war against Russia. Israel is used for a proxy war against Iran with the use of US military bases in the Middle East (Operation “Rising Lion”).

Pepe Escobar says the same thing in today’s talk with Nima, linked earlier in this thread.
It is a war against BRICS, obviously China is the next target.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 15:32 utc | 139

“The newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets, the second largest in the country, described June 1 as a ‘black day for Russia’s long range and military transport aircraft’ and called for the same ‘determination and harshness’ against Ukraine as Israel has shown against Hamas…” WSWS, June 2, 2025
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 14 2025 13:59 utc | 70
Oh, John. What did I tell you about that website? They’ve been a fake left agency of US imperialism’s war on Russia from the moment the war began.
With all the US imperialism has done to the world in the last few years, to attack and obsess on Russia of all countries at this stage of history is more than suspicious. Don’t be a tool.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 14 2025 15:33 utc | 140

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 15:13 utc | 125
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One fails the test of faith (and understanding) if one relies on hedges.
There is an enormous gap between believers and disbelievers. They operate in parallel but separate realities. Their worlds function differently.
You’re going to die. I am going to die. Everyone is going to die.
How will we die? Cowering behind WMD threats?
Look what that has wrought Israel, and soon, the rest.
A false sense of security.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 15:34 utc | 141

‘You’re right, the flames went out hours ago. It’s flattened ruins now:
https://youtu.be/9SF3K4kQgqw?si=tDeMCVY5BNFPTxxm
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=9SF3K4kQgqw
This is like a few streets with many apts still standing amid the destruction and some not hit at all.
There is another clip constantly posted here that shows a small area of destruction but never pans out to see the bigger picture.
These are all accompanied by scary horror movie music.
Looks a lot like Gaza if you ask me.’
No it doesn’t. This is Gaza:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xobWZDD2y0g
https://tinyurl.com/3ecf6usd
The levels of destruction aren’t remotely comparable – not in the same ballpark so to speak. And it’s frankly grotesquely insulting to in any way suggest they are.
‘That’s just one, we still waiting for the clips where the massive ballistic strikes landed.’
Yes, we are.
https://x.com/AsaWinstanley/status/1845740101705367924
https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGZ1i1y0WQAAL175.jpg

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Jun 14 2025 15:34 utc | 142

@William Gruff | Jun 14 2025 14:45 utc | 97
Rather that advising people not to fight monsters, was Neitzche not advising people to be careful not to become monsters themselves when fighting monsters?

Posted by: cirsium | Jun 14 2025 15:39 utc | 143

aye, myself & me @137: “Only the brainwashed ones did. Who else could rationally adhere to zionism?”
Very true, but I very carefully only referenced “zionists” who are, as you imply, brainwashed practically by definition. I tried to avoid generalizing it to be all Jews because some of the most vocal opponents to the zionist genocide that I know are Jews. Unfortunately, though, they appear to be the minority.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 14 2025 15:39 utc | 144

BREAKING: China says it is ‘deeply concerned about the consequences that may be brought about by Israel’s actions’
Fuck you China and Russia, now is the time to help your close friends if indeed Iran is your friend, not to piss around with bullshit, meaningless statements and acting like impotents
Posted by: Kamran | Jun 14 2025 14:38 utc | 92
You know, this is becoming a familiar pattern. Baby killer Zios and US imperialism attack Iran and we’ve got folks who are more angry with the noble Russia/China.
I recall when the Zios began their genocide of women and children, we had a similar group of tools who would rant, not about the Zios carrying out the genocide, but rather about American Christians!
You’ll know them by their efforts to put the blame somewhere more convenient for the Zios.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 14 2025 15:40 utc | 145

92.
China (or Russia) can’t save a country that doesn’t want to save itself.
While demonized as a suffocating theocracy, it turns out that the Iranian leadership (and people) may well be divided between hardline religionists and pro-Western factions who welcome a regime change, and likely abetting it?
Why should Beijing wade into a domestic dispute, particularly one already engulfed by flames?
Iran has the civilizational strength, the pride and the power to fight the barbarians at the gates.
But first it has to get its own house in order; just like the contending Chinese sides did in WW2. China essentially fought Imperial Japan alone, a war machine that had been a Western proxy for over a century.
The calvary came only after the falling out between puppet master and its proxy. The epic pushback left China `punch drunk` as Cambridge historian Rana Mitter noted, but laid the foundation for a modern sovereign nation.
This war is for Iran to fight, as a united country. Help will most likely come when it gets its own act together, and gives a shout.

Posted by: LittleWhiteCabbage | Jun 14 2025 15:42 utc | 146

IAEA to be expelled from Iran for obvious reasons

Iran announced that it is putting a to stop all of the IAEA’s “safeguard inspections”.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/130970
The nuclear enrichment issue is a false pretext for attacking Iran, it is not the real objective. The real objective is to prevent the North-South corridor from Russia to India and the Silk Road from China via Iran.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 15:43 utc | 147

Israel or its proxies are using mini drones inside Iran to attack BM and AD launchers and assassinate people. Kind of resembling Ukraine using small drones in Spiderweb.
At least some launchers were destroyed.
Unconfirmed reports claim some entrances to underground missile bases have been bombed and collapsed and hence unutilizable for now.
Nuttanyahoo claims IDF free flying independence over Iran, but Iranian military sources dispute these claims. They appear to be lies.
Iran hit 150 military targets inside Israel, but effectiveness or extent is unknown. Israel attacked a southern gas field or port.
Iran reportedly has prepared thousands of advanced missiles, planning potential attacks on not only Israel but US and UK bases in the region. Remember that US has minimal or non-functional AD systems in the Middle East.
Iran now claims 3 shot down ‘uber Stealth’ F-35 aircraft, the latest pilot also parachuting and captured.
Expect oil to rally to $100 within weeks and gold go higher, as this thing wont stop.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 14 2025 15:45 utc | 148

Cable: The State of Qatar (SQA) and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) are on high alert.
Remember, the Outlaw US of A and the Israel project could never ever be trusted.

Posted by: pepe | Jun 14 2025 15:45 utc | 149

@Ahenobarbus | Jun 14 2025 15:40 utc | 149

You know, this is becoming a familiar pattern. Baby killer Zios and US imperialism attack Iran and we’ve got folks who are more angry with the noble Russia/China.

Yes indeed, this pattern is obvious and honest people should be aware and take note who argues like this.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 15:46 utc | 150

The US and its obedient minions did this with Iraq, Libya and Syria, next up for regime change – and asset stripping is Iran.
Only a China/Russia military intervention can stop it – but will they?

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 14 2025 15:48 utc | 151

@151,
With a regime change they will succeed to blocking both projects. On top of eliminating any sort of nuclear capabilities that Iran might posses.
As far as I can see on multiple TG channels, it seems that Israel has started attacking civilian infrastructure to speed this objective. They even talk about it directly now. Of course, it will depend on how much the Iranian people will endure (my fear is the morale on the population if the army can’t protect or deliver the same amount of destruction to the other side) which is why its more important now than ever that solidarity shouldn’t be just in pretty words.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 14 2025 15:48 utc | 152

@ Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 14:09 utc | 74
Of course they tried to kill Khamenei. This is why Netanyahu ran off to Greece.
Iran has got to destroy the bases in Jordan, UAE and Qatar. Otherwise this is like Russia fighting Ukraine while letting NATO transport weapons through its railways.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 15:52 utc | 153

I agree with Bhadakumar when he infers that the attack on Iran was a consequence of Nutty-Netanyahu/aka-Mileikowsky feeling as though he was losing his iron grip on the US Presidency. The Isreal-Firsters ie the neocolonialist/aka-neocons having shown themselves, once again, to be disloyal to the US/US-President were being systematically removed after Waltz demotion.
What’s a nutty-nut-job to do when power seeps through their hands like grains of sand through an hourglass? Well, you start a war with the idea of forcing your paid lackey’s in the Senate and Congress to force the US President to go along. This ploy is mutual, it’s meant to stop any Trump initiatives be they foreign or domestic.
And hopefully, this war, in combination with the planned riots this week-end, will ease the symptoms of those TDS sufferers…ahhh, thst’s it, breath deep…just 507 days until impeachment hearings become a political possibility…it’s all about your feelings…eff everybody else on the planet.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 14 2025 15:53 utc | 154

re: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 14 2025 12:59 utc | 38
you wrote:
At one point Putin said – and I’m fairly sure this is legit – that the Russian “nuclear umbrella” extended over Iran. And I’m sure the Iranians were grateful for that nuclear umbrella.
Sorry, I’m quite certain you are mistaken. If what you say was true, it would be common knowledge. A “nuclear umbrella” that is kept secret is as useful as Dr. Strangelove’s “Doomsday Machine” that was triggered because the Soviets failed to inform the Americans of its existence.
The only Russian security guarantee to Iran that I have seen in writing is the recent Iranian–Russian Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership, in which Russia magnanimously agreed “not assist the aggressor[against Iran] and will seek to resolve differences based on the U.N. Charter and international law“.
Unlike the North Korean–Russian Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership, which promised to provide North Korea with “military and other assistance with all means in its possession without delay“, Russia used the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Agreement to simply promise that it would not join in on an attack upon Iran — which amounted to an open invitation to attack Iran.
Another triumph of diplomacy on the part of Putin! Don’t you dare attack Iran, or else we will take the matter to the UN! Russia kept its promise, the matter is before the UNSC.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 14 2025 15:53 utc | 155

“The Iranian army announced on its official website:
Our forces targeted an F-35 fighter jet in the west of the country, and the pilot ejected.” + screenshot
There are unconfirmed photos, I linked one on previous thread, but to be sure anyone would have to ask IRGC if they will allow inspection ? Fuller evidence in its own time I suppose.
Note:
Rhetoric is scaling up, especially from “Israel” now.
To close Hormuz would most likely be followed by direct US involvement, and then further escalation.
For now the open conflict remains between “Israel” and Iran, it is maybe wise of Iran not to become or be seen as antagonist. Once gulf states are directly implied in the assault on Iran, Iran will have much more justification closing the straights.
That said, Iranian strategy should be that which it judges better serves purpose.
So there is no saying.
Thanks @abierno, also to note is that water supply remains very difficult for those in Gaza.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 14 2025 15:55 utc | 156

Israel just ignited a gas field at South Pars.

Posted by: bored | Jun 14 2025 15:56 utc | 157

” Putin saved lives and ultimately saved the Chechen people by Grozny.
Sometimes a hysterical person needs a slap.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 14 2025 15:22 utc | 132 ”
Grozny was utterly obliterated. Thanks for proving my point.

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 15:56 utc | 158

Lots of “concern” being expressed about the political situation inside Iran but very little thought given to the political situation inside Israel. Netanyahu only just managed to save his coalition by the skin of his teeth; he is far from popular with the families of those taken hostage; he has annoyed and upset some senior figures in the military and security forces, and now his citizens are faced with nights in shelters and days clearing up wreckage.
Time for some “regime-change” there.
So, out of the following list, which is likely to collapse first:
Israel
Iran
Ukraine
USA
Russia
China
?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 14 2025 15:57 utc | 159

Iran’s UNPRECEDENTED Retaliation Shocks Israel w/ Brian Berletic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjQ8UecG3D8 [25 mins

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 14 2025 15:57 utc | 160

Oppose The Imperialist War on Iran!
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/06/14/ujgn-j14.html
“…The increasingly unhinged Israeli regime – already carrying out a genocide against two million people in Gaza – has now deliberately provoked war with a country ten times its size, threatening catastrophic consequences for the entire region.
Israel’s claim that it acted in ‘self-defense’ against an alleged Iranian nuclear program is an absurd and transparent fraud. It is well known that Israel possesses nuclear weapons, acquired in violation of international law.
Asked by the Wall Street Journal Friday whether the US got a ‘heads-up’ of the attack, US President Donald Trump replied, ‘Heads-up? It wasn’t a heads-up. It was, we know what’s going on.’
In reality, the so-called ‘negotiations’ were a treacherous charade, designed to provide Israel with the opportunity to kill Iran’s military leaders in their homes. Among those targeted and killed in Israel’s Thursday night attack was top Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Shamkhani.
The attack on Iran is the direct outcome of the longstanding US-Israeli drive to create a ‘new Middle East’ under imperialist domination, intensified in the wake of the events of October 7, 2023. It was made possible by the immense political, military and intelligence support Israel has received from the United States for decades, under both Democrat and Republican administrations.
The people of the Middle East will not remain passive as their countries are turned into battlegrounds for imperilist domination. The international working class must respond by building a conscious movement against imperialist war and the capitalist system that gives rise to it.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 14 2025 15:59 utc | 161

@159,
Yes, that is exactly correct but I’m not sure if its just Russia that didn’t agree to the same level of partnership as it did with North Korea. I understood that even some of the Iranian leaders didn’t want to entangle in a potential war with NATO if Russia would’ve been attacked. So it’s not necessarily the same context.
But yes, I remember reading that the Western press gloated about this key detail that was missing from the final treaty signed between both countries.
A lot of people speculated back then that Russia didn’t want to enter in a potential war with Israel and it might be true. Probably a lot of influence from Israel on certain members of Russia government.
I’m sure that Israel will return the “favor” for Russia if a similar treaty would be signed at some point between Ukraine and Israel.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 14 2025 16:00 utc | 162

The inestimable Prof. Mohamad Mirandi responding to Ali Abunima on the question of whether the Iranian people want a nuclear weapon:
https://youtube.com/shorts/-YDt7lWXBxI?si=5AOxxXod75fA2Zl2
Mohamed acknowledges this is an ongoing debate in Iran, and highlights the real reason the Ayatollah said no to nuclear weapons.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 16:00 utc | 163

” Israel just ignited a gas field at South Pars.
Posted by: bored | Jun 14 2025 15:56 utc | 161 ”
Time to take out Israel’s de-salinization plants and electrical power stations but Iran only hits military targets. SMH

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:00 utc | 164

https://x.com/MonitorX99800/status/1933847378521657599
Monitor𝕏 @MonitorX99800
🇮🇷⚡ Iran army officials confirmed successful hitting of 3rd F-35 jets of Israel enemy on western sky of Iran bordering Iraq. The IDF pilot ejected from jet.
They announced it officially 🇮🇷🚀
https://x.com/aaronjmate/status/1933322302894321991
Aaron Maté @aaronjmate
Israel has attacked Iran. Every act of Israeli violence is aimed at enforcing its hegemony, not security. It’s had multiple opportunities to make peace with its neighbors, including Iran and Hamas, simply by ending its occupation of the Palestinian people and suppression of their right to self-determination.
It refuses to do that because it’s a Jewish supremacist state granted impunity by its Washington sponsor.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/06/14/749790/Iran-army-says-suicide-drones-successfully-struck-targets-in-Israeli-occupied-territories
Iran army says suicide drones successfully struck targets in occupied territories
The Islamic Republic of Iran Army has announced that Arash-class suicide drones infiltrated the airspace of the occupied territories and successfully destroyed their designated targets.
Israeli sources also reported that two Iranian drones entered the airspace of the Dead Sea in the occupied territories, triggering alarm sirens across that region and Zionist settlements in the West Bank……
….Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi said at least 150 targets were struck during the retaliatory operation against the Israeli regime, including several critically strategic military bases.
The retaliatory operation followed the Israeli military’s assassination of high-ranking Iranian military commanders and nuclear scientists early Friday, which also martyred over 70 civilians, including women and children.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 14 2025 16:01 utc | 165

They are attacking because they know Russia does not have the guts to use those nukes. Put those nukes in Ansar Allah’s hands and they will dare not attack because they would be willing to use them.
The West does not dare attack North Korea either. They know Kim is willing to use his nukes.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 16:01 utc | 166

See the US army is ramping up recruitment advertising heavily for zi*nist masters. They are probably trying to prepare to invade Iran.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 14 2025 16:02 utc | 167

Oppose the Imperialist War on Iran! (corrected url from #165)
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/06/14/ujqn-j14.html

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 14 2025 16:04 utc | 168

” I’m sure that Israel will return the “favor” for Russia if a similar treaty would be signed at some point between Ukraine and Israel.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 14 2025 16:00 utc | 166 ”
Israel never signs treaties like that. The US pledges to come to Israel’s defense, has Israel ever pledged the same? Has it ever joined the US in combat ?

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:05 utc | 169

IAEA to be expelled from Iran for obvious reasons
Iran announced that it is putting a to stop all of the IAEA’s “safeguard inspections”.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 15:43 utc | 151
About time. Let’s hope they take all actions on the list of 7 I posted in 30 above.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 16:05 utc | 170

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 14 2025 15:57 utc | 163
There’s a huge difference. If the Iranian government falls, it will be replaced by a USraeli toady regime. If the Zionazi government falls, it will be replaced by another Zionazi regime.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2025 16:06 utc | 171

” Head of Iran’s National Security Committee in Parliament Ebrahim Azizi: Iran receiving calls from countries that “Israel” is making diplomatic requests to stop Iranian strikes. ”
Things don’t seem to be going as planned for ‘Israel’. This could be evidence of Iran hitting critical objectives, among the reported 150 military targets.

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 14 2025 16:06 utc | 172

Dialogue Works
(SPECIAL EDITION) Pepe Escobar: Iran STRIKES BACK After Israeli Attack!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTUpoY-vWA8
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 14:30 utc | 90
Tremendously important, Norwegian; thanks SO MUCH!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 14 2025 16:08 utc | 173

No one in the world has more nukes than Russia … is this fact preventing the west from attacking her? From sanctions? From terrorism? To the extent that Russia has security, it is due to conventional weapons and security systems and the valor of her people. That is what Iran needs to rely on, for better or for worse.
Posted by: Caliman | Jun 14 2025 15:13 utc | 124

They are attacking because they know Russia does not have the guts to use those nukes. Put those nukes in Ansar Allah’s hands and they will dare not attack because they would be willing to use them.
The West does not dare attack North Korea either. They know Kim is willing to use his nukes.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 16:09 utc | 174

—❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 NEW: Israeli media ‘Yedioth Ahronoth’ claims that Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, has directed the armed forces to fire missiles into civilian areas in Israel, stating ‘there are no civilians in Israel
@Middle_East_Spectator
If true, this Khamenei dude is my spirit animal …
Of course, all the Zionists do is lie so he probably didn’t say that.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 16:11 utc | 175

Theres a major military parade in the US today watched by the whole US and possibly the world. Instant US involvement in the war if an event happens there. Food for thought.

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:13 utc | 176

@ Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:00 utc | 168
I do not think Iran fully understands that Israel is out to destroy them.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 16:13 utc | 177

” I do not think Iran fully understands that Israel is out to destroy them.
Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 16:13 utc | 182 ”
No, they are just too “moral” to do that. Just like Putin in Ukraine.

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:15 utc | 178

re: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 16:13 utc | 182
you wrote:
I do not think Iran fully understands that Israel is out to destroy them.
What does that remind you of?

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 14 2025 16:16 utc | 179

Who would have thought that the next Oreshnik might soon land in Tel Aviv?
(As it has turned out in the meantime, identical containers with drones were used for the attacks on the Russian bombers and the Iranian air defense systems).

Posted by: xblob | Jun 14 2025 16:16 utc | 180

” Head of Iran’s National Security Committee in Parliament Ebrahim Azizi: Iran receiving calls from countries that “Israel” is making diplomatic requests to stop Iranian strikes. ”
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 14 2025 16:06 utc | 176
It’s a trap. Meant to sow confusion in the leadership which can then be exploited.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 16:16 utc | 181

JohnGilberts
Thanks for the WSWS link.
“The fact that Iran allowed a significant portion of its leadership to be killed—apparently while they were in civilian dwellings vulnerable to missile strikes, even as the American press openly telegraphed an Israeli attack—is a devastating exposure of the Iranian regime’s strategic bankruptcy. The regime placed immense confidence in the good faith of the Trump administration. Ignoring and forgetting all that has happened, including Trump’s authorization of the murder of General Suleimani in January 2020, the Iranian leaders were convinced that the United States would restrain Israel while negotiations were pending. They fell for a simple trick, like a child taking candy from a stranger.”
Let’s hope Iran has FINALLY LEARNED THEIR LESSON.
DO NOT TRUST JEWS OR THEIR IMPERIALIST PUPPETS.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 14 2025 16:17 utc | 182

cirsium @147: “Rather that advising people not to fight monsters, was Neitzche not advising people to be careful not to become monsters themselves when fighting monsters?”
Could be, but the fact is the quote is used, as Acco Hengst pointed out above, as a kind of secular version of “turn the other cheek”; instruction to passively accept the abuses of rulers/aggressors. I never saw enough value in Neitzche to invest the effort to parse what he might have “really meant”. I’ll leave that rehabilitation to his fan club.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 14 2025 16:18 utc | 183

Georgie: “They are attacking because they know Russia does not have the guts to use those nukes. Put those nukes in Ansar Allah’s hands and they will dare not attack because they would be willing to use them.
The West does not dare attack North Korea either. They know Kim is willing to use his nukes.”
Errr, so having “guts” means being willing to cause the death of billions of people? I am very glad that Putin and the Russian leadership lacks the guts you praise.
As for Kim, yes, he is “left alone” … isolated and completely impoverished. And if Kim ever reaches for his nukes, his whole country will disappear into the clouds. Not what I would wish for Iran or any other country.
Nukes are unusable and pointless in this context … another waste of time and huge amounts of money.

Posted by: Caliman | Jun 14 2025 16:20 utc | 184

The nuclear enrichment issue is a false pretext for attacking Iran, it is not the real objective. The real objective is to prevent the North-South corridor from Russia to India and the Silk Road from China via Iran.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 14 2025 15:43 utc | 151
Yes. The US is simply using its Zionist proxy to the benefit of both should it succeed. Big Boy geopolitics.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 14 2025 16:20 utc | 185

” The Islamic Republic of Iran Army has announced that Arash-class suicide drones infiltrated the airspace of the occupied territories and successfully destroyed their designated targets.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 14 2025 16:01 utc | 169 ”
All drones have video feeds. The US, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, India and others have no problem providing them . Until Iran does the same I take these proclamations with a grain of salt.

Posted by: The painter | Jun 14 2025 16:20 utc | 186

Netanyahu threatens:
“In the very near future you will see Israeli Air Force jets over the skies of Tehran, we will strike every site and target of the regime.
Iran possesses 20,000 ballistic missiles, and we cannot tolerate this.”

For those air force jets to reach Iran, they have to be refueled somewhere. Iran has got to destroy the Arab bases supporting the evil entity.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 14 2025 16:20 utc | 187

@Perimetr 15:53
First, thanks for that excellent clarification, and quoting the relevant docs.
The dialog I’m referring to wasn’t included in the recent Comprehensive Strategic Partnership; it happened while Raisi was President of Iran, e.g. before his assassination revealed significant internal security issues within Iran.
And I surely concede that this “umbrella” isn’t official, isn’t well-articulated, and yet I assert that it may very well be active. Recall the conversations on the periphery of the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership to the effect that not everything that was agreed to was actually contained in the publicly-released doc.
Note also that Iran and Russia are actively collaborating militarily – not just on drones, but also joint military exercises including with China. Plenty of citations, search “Iran Russia China Joint Exercises”, happened just this past March, and was coincidentally sited in …. the Gulf of Oman (strait of Hormuz).
I don’t believe those joint exercises were agreed to in the Strategic Partnership doc; to my recollection, almost nothing of military significance, except some “tech sharing” got discussed in that doc.
Recall also: at the time of that Strategic Partnership, Russia was still trying to avoid total war in Ukraine, was hoping that the Mighty Israelis, who control the U.S. Congress and the President and the Security apparatus .. might intercede on their behalf. I believe this is a significant aspiration of Putin’s, and may help explain why he’s so soft on Israelis *. That aspiration may have caused Russia to decline to include those sort of hard commitments in the public version of the Partnership.
There may well be an umbrella agreement. And to your point about Strangelove, it’s quite likely that said umbrella agreement is very much part of the conversations between, say, Putin and Netanyahu, or Putin and Trump, or Defense or State Dept. officials and their counterparts in Russia, China, Iran, Israel. This is the stuff those guys talk about in one-on-ones, right?
However, back to the point about surety: It’s “nice” if it’s in writing, nicer still if it’s in writing and in public, but not nearly so nice-and-reliable as having your own Nuclear Umbrella.

* I think once Putin realizes that the Spiderweb and Iranian surprise attack share many traits, he’s going to wonder to himself just how good a friend Israel actually is.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 14 2025 16:21 utc | 188

@ saner | Jun 14 2025 16:07 utc | 177
Well, let’s not fall into the all too common trap of over-estimating the capabilities and staying-power of the USIDF and under-estimating the Iranian forces.
As we have already seen in Ukraine, Western claims of superior tech and tactics are chimeral when faced with well-equipped opposition. I can’t see a reason why this doesn’t apply in trying to confront Iran as well. Again, as we’ve seen, the much-vaunted Iron Dome has turned out to be a colander when faced with volleys of drones and decoys, followed up by ballistic and aero-ballistic missiles.
It is risky, to the point of arrogance, to dismiss Iranian capabilities, a mistake the West seems set on making.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 14 2025 16:22 utc | 189

Israel has reached out to Iran through the United Arab Emirates, urging Iran to return to negotiations with the United States and accept a nuclear deal with zero enrichment on Iranian soil
According to an informed official, Israel’s objective in the recent strike was a ‘shock and awe’ moment, which was supposed to prompt Iran to rapidly and voluntarily agree to give up its entire nuclear program without requiring further widespread Israeli strikes.
Iran has informed the regional nation (very likely the UAE) that it will not exchange messages with Israel at this stage, neither directly nor indirectly, and that Israel should not have started a war if they were not prepared to continue it.

Posted by: lol | Jun 14 2025 16:23 utc | 190

@146 Dan Kelly
” ‘Looks a lot like Gaza if you ask me’
No it doesn’t….
The levels of destruction aren’t remotely comparable – not in the same ballpark so to speak. And it’s frankly grotesquely insulting to in any way suggest they are”
With estimated existing 1000 ballistic missiles at 1 tonne each “damage would be” 1000 tonnes
Gaza so far has had something like 100,000 tonnes of munition dropped on it.
Gaza 365 km2
Palestine is @ 22,000 km2
In other words Iran would have to unload 6 000 000 tonnes of ammunition accurately to replicate Gaza. That is 6 million ballistic missiles.
However, it does not want to replicate Gaza either, so doubly insulting.
The missile strikes are strategic and a retaliatory defense.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 14 2025 16:24 utc | 191

Interesting.
While Saudi yesterday declared that Iran has only 3000 ballistic missiles now nutty is bragging about 20000.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 14 2025 16:25 utc | 192

“Rather that advising people not to fight monsters, was Neitzche not advising people to be careful not to become monsters themselves when fighting monsters?”
Posted by: cirsium
Yes, that’s the meaning of the quote. Of course Nietzsche’s advice wasn’t to turn the other cheek.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 14 2025 16:27 utc | 193

Posted by: Reader / June 14 2025 12:39 utc / 29
Thanks for your posting re the upcoming Atlanticist Bilderberg Group. Canada’s PM Mark Carney is a member as are two of his cabinet ministers, Chrystia Freeland and FP Champagne both of which will be attending the Copenhagen meeting.
I have no doubt this important elite management confab founded by a Nazi, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, will have much to plan and discuss. Given the list posted earlier of those expected to attend, one can perhaps be forgiven for dreaming of a sudden surprise visit by Mr Oreshnik also.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 14 2025 16:28 utc | 194

Israel has reached out to Iran through the United Arab Emirates, urging Iran to return to negotiations with the United States

Posted by: lol | Jun 14 2025 16:23 utc | 195
So “reached out” and “urging” couldn’t possibly be seen as “begging”, could it?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 14 2025 16:29 utc | 195

Better messenger than Pepe, from someone who knows and is on the front line of the last great war for civilization:
Apti Alaudinov Urgent! Israel Attacked Iran – We’re Next!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 14 2025 16:31 utc | 196

Posted by: JB_2 | Jun 14 2025 13:16 utc | 47
This story is on a constant (re)cycle for weeks by now. So far i have seen it in german outlets as well as english speaking ones. Guess i can add another language to the list.
As for the veracity of this ‘genuine’ document: lets call it delusional cope by delusional people to keep the rubes deluded.
It is propaganda to make the intended audience, the plebs of Europe, believe that Russia is just one broken washing machine away from collapsing.
Insofar my answer and your post are not completely off topic. It is another example of the myriad of lies facilitated to justify policy.
Posted by: kspr | Jun 14 2025 13:27 utc | 55
Coming from the outfit that claimed they had proof Trump was colluding with Russia because Russia had blackmail with golden showers or some such nonsense.
War Secrets? — everyone, including the Chinese, can see Russia’s war tactics on Telegram. Since Chinese military officials are not on the front lines, if they go to Russia to see how the war is going, they’ll just be watching on TV screens alongside their Russian counterparts with their full permission.
The artic stuff also don’t make sense because China signed on to the Russian arctic development initiative to help develop the Artic Silk Road as a new trade route. All the Chinese scientific personnel are hired by the Russian gov to be there. This is the same type of propaganda spin that characterised overseas Chinese notary services as “secret Chinese police stations”.
Taking territory? Yep China is planning to invade Russia any day now.
I was curious initially what they’d write, but this just reminded me why I don’t read the cesspit of CIA propaganda NYT.

Posted by: Ninhvoi | Jun 14 2025 16:31 utc | 197

Looks a lot like Gaza if you ask me.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 14 2025 12:53 utc | 33
More like snapshots of Gaza. Iran would not do a Gaza in wasreal, unless nuked I spose. Collateral damage is a small hat game.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jun 14 2025 16:31 utc | 198

The hypocrisy of western countries which fell all over themselves recognizing al Qaeda/ISIS leader al Julani as “president” of Syria now having the gall to use that particular accusation against Shia Iran is beyond infuriating.
The Empire Of Lies And Hypocrisy.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 14 2025 16:35 utc | 199

Bored 161 / Painter 168,
If it’s established/documented that Israel is hitting Iran’s civilian infrastructure under the “duel-use” clause this should free up Iran to strike Israel civilian “duel-use” infrastructure broadening the number of targets overtaxing any AD system. This would bring about a crisis in Israel far sooner than Iran. I see an opening here.
What’s needed now is a statement from Iranian leadership establishing that this is the case and why they will retaliate in kind a priori which Russia/China should amplify through media/UN-rhetoric and other diplomatic channel a priori.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 14 2025 16:36 utc | 200