Iran Could Use Oil To Urge The U.S. To Sue For Peace
The primary targets of Israel's attack on Iran do not seem to be nuclear research and production facilities. People in the top positions of Iran's military forces, top scientists of Iran's nuclear program and political leaders seem to have been the primary aim.
Two dozen high ranking officers, including the chief of the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, General Mohammad Bagheri, and the commander of the IRGC’s Aerospace Force, Amir-Ali Hajizadeh, were killed in targeted attacks. Several leading scientist were killed over night when Israel bombed the civilian buildings they were living in.
Iran's main nuclear enrichment facilities are buried underground near Natanz and Fordow. Satellite images show only light damage on above ground facilities in Natanz. Fordow seems to have not been attacked at all. There were attacks on some of Iran's ballistic missile facilities. There are no reports yet of the level of damage they received.
Curiously there were no signs of any active air defenses. Israel seems to have disabled them by other means than open warfare.
Israeli sources claimed that Iran had retaliated by launching a hundred drones against Israel. There were however no observations of any drone. Iranian sources say that none had been launched (yet).
The attacks so far seem to be aimed more at regime change than on nuclear facilities. The few strikes on nuclear infrastructure are just enough for Israel to claim this as an act of preemptive self-defense.
A preemptive self defense is legal under international law. But it requires that the threat is "instant", "overwhelming" and "imminent" leaving "no time for deliberation". None of these conditions existed when Israel launched its attack. The war it launched is thus an act of aggression and illegal under international law.
Israel has planned for the campaign to continued for at least two weeks:
Israel's operation against Iran's nuclear program, military leadership and arsenal of missiles is nowhere near over, with Israel having planned out 14 days of operations, a senior Israeli official said.The likely duration of the campaign fits with analysts' expectations that a single wave of strikes wouldn't be able to do enough damage to Iran's nuclear program and Israel's comprehensive approach of attacking Iran's facilities, leadership and arsenal at the same time to limit the possibility of a retaliatory strike.
The pattern is similar to the one Israel deployed against Lebanese militia and Iranian ally Hezbollah—decapitating its leadership, degrading its arsenal and pushing it to a settlement. The current conflict could similarly end in a negotiated deal, the official said.
Iran has only two viable ways to respond to the attack. One is, as Scott Ritter lays out, an overwhelming destructive strike on Israel itself. This must be sufficiently hard for Israel that it will ask the U.S. to negotiate an end to the war. This would however risk nuclear strikes by Israel on Iran.
Another potential is to retaliated against the power behind Israel which conspired with it to launch the attack. There are U.S. targets in the Middle East which Iran could easily strike at. But the response from the U.S. would be an air and missile war that would overwhelm any defenses Iran has left.
A more reasonable attack on the U.S. will target its economy. Iran can stop its production of oil. It has various means to stop oil and gas production in U.S. allied countries situated in its neighborhood. It can close down the Strait of Hormuz through which 25% of the global hydrocarbon productions is flowing. There is the little the U.S. could do to prevent Iran from sustaining such a blockade.
As I have stated previously:
Trump wants lower oil prices and freedom to pursue his domestic agenda.
A few month of oil prices above $200 per barrel would devastated the chances for Republicans to keep the House and the Senate. It would ruin Trump's presidency. The would turn the world against Israel. Trump would be forced to sue for peace with Iran.
There would be strong collateral damage in the global economy. Iran would be blamed for it. But everyone would also know that it was not Iran or its leader who started this.
Posted by b on June 13, 2025 at 15:46 UTC | Permalink
next page »It's amazing what's happening in Iran.
The Iranian Air Defence was practically completely ineffective, almost as if it had been deactivated.
Has Russia thrown Iran under the bus just like Syria?
As Lavrov said in the Tucker interview at the time: Israel's security is the Russian state's top priority!
Well, it's just as fatal to be a friend of Russia.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Jun 13 2025 15:56 utc | 2
This is awful. Israel is a rogue state. I wish the USA would stop supporting them
Posted by: Joe | Jun 13 2025 15:58 utc | 3
"Drill, Baby, drill".
The US shale oil operations will only be profitable with higher barrel prices. Some limited tensions in West Asia can make this possible. "Hey, Bibi, bring barrel price to $90!". Then the US can have its shale oil production peak later (2030) instead of sooner (2027).
How can the West make war without (conttolled) oil? ... This is why opponents are slow and patient.
Posted by: Asian Frog | Jun 13 2025 15:58 utc | 4
"Launching a hundred drones", I totally agree that this is a fabrication. A stand-alone attack of that nature would be completely ineffective and a waste of resources. If Iran does anything, they will launch drones in combination with ballistic missiles.
So much unnecessary death.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jun 13 2025 16:02 utc | 5
RE: Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jun 13 2025 16:02 utc | 5
Professor Marandi recently stated Iran has not responded at all. No drones even. If there are drones, possibly from Iraqi resistance.
On the other, why not do both.
Pummel Israel & close straight.
At this point, some Chinese & Russian warships need to start sailing in.
If they want to survive, this is their last chance.
If West takes the whole of ME, they’re both toast anyways.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 13 2025 16:08 utc | 6
This is awful. Israel is a rogue state. I wish the USA would stop supporting them
Posted by: Joe | Jun 13 2025 15:58 utc | 3
Southern Californian here. I take solace in the apparent fact that my immediate rulers seem to be the most depraved in the world, and that its enemies appear reluctant to murder innocent civilians in response to the depravity of their illegitimate rulers in their fake democracies.
The USA Empire is a rogue state. I wish the rest of the world would stop supporting it. If you invest in US Treasuries, large-cap American companies (in fascist cooperation with the government), or any NATO/5-eyes debts/equities, you are complicit. And I hope you eventually lose every dime.
The lesson here is that the USA Empire and its vassals have no game except for terrorism. They have no scruples. They have no credibility. How can Russia, China, or for that matter, any other country, not view the USA Empire as an existential threat?
We're not going to vote ourselves out of this.
Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 13 2025 16:09 utc | 7
With due respect to b, I don't believe that Wasrael has any Nukes.
Jews are, first and foremost greedy thieves. It's in their DNA. If Wasrael had ever amassed enough capital to fund a Nuclear Arsenal, the Jews in charge would have stolen it and frittered it away on Luxury Yachts and Real Estate in Monte Carlo.
The notion that Wasrael has an Ambiguous Nuclear Deterrent is beyond ludicrous. A million miles beyond ludicrous - like the notion of an Exclusively Jewish State(let).
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 13 2025 16:13 utc | 8
Thank You b
I pray for this even though we will all feel the pain.
Turn off the taps
California is the future of all ZOG controlled countries on a tiny scale .... their test market.
I am sure Russia and China are well aware what happens if they lose.
Jews want to run the world, decimate the populations and enslave the rest.
We are all Palestinians now has never been more obvious.
Posted by: ld | Jun 13 2025 16:14 utc | 9
Iran likely will not force up the price of oil. It needs oil sales to keep itself afloat, now more than ever. I understand China buys a lot of Iranian oil but does China really need Iranian oil? It could buy it from Russia , right? However, that would expose more Russian or Chinese tankers to piracy on the HighSeas by US-controlled vassals . I suppose Russia could build more oil pipelines to China but that would take five-ten years to arrange. So Iran is very vulnerable and will not raise prices itself . It must pray that China both keeps buying its oil and does not self-sanction itself die to fear of US economic reprisals .
Who wins economy-wise if Iran can’t sell its oil ;The West /Israel does , and Russia and Russia are minimally affected. Who cares about us Western citizen/consumers ,right? China can buy from Russia and the latter makes more money.
Who wins geopolitically if Iran falls? USA ,vassals and Israel. Russia’s North South Route is eliminated as is China’s Belt and Roadway. Russia and China better pull their finger out soon…
Posted by: Mustee | Jun 13 2025 16:17 utc | 10
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 13 2025 16:13 utc | 8
C'mon they stole their initial nukes from the plant in Ohio or Pennsylvania back in the 60s. Another reason JFK had to be murdered as Jews are wont to do.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 16:19 utc | 11
Nothing more than a grandiose fantasy. The Iranians couldn't defend against Israel alone, and we're expected to believe they could close the Strait under months of American bombing?
Either they really will have their nuke, or they are better off with a deal. What did Russia do about the strike?
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 13 2025 16:21 utc | 12
I think Russia and China should step up, but Russia is occupied so it have to be China. It can deliver all defensive weapons it needs. What else is Iran going to do? Sit and have it bombed completely defensive? Normally I would expect that they have a large stock of AD systems.
But China will do nothing. Having a puppet regime in Iran would be fantastic. US can build more military bases and then bring all those Asian countries we know nothing about in its sphere. Perfect set up for finishing of Russia and China.
Do nothing and you can bury BRICS too. Losing a important shackle, control of oil, all while you can't defend an ally, brilliant.
Maybe China should negotiate reunification with Taiwan, if they decline you bomb them as this is now a valid strategy in talks. Weakness is what Russia and China is this position. How many time have the US and EU say out loud for f sakes that they want to defeat China? Only with military tools will China protect it interests. The US has betrayed everyone all the time, so talking is a waste of time. Do nothing and wait till you are next on the list.
Posted by: John | Jun 13 2025 16:23 utc | 13
This, despite being reported by NY Post makes way more sense than a complete shutdown or failure of Iranian AD.
Sure there were some missiles but it looks more like a repeat of the Spiderweb operation in Russia than a massive aerial attack launched from outside Iran's airspace.
I agree that stopping oil shipments would be suicidal for Iran and just what the Jew investors in NA shale oil and fracked gas want. Cha ching.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 16:26 utc | 14
There must be an intense examination going on now to explain the failure of Iran's defense systems. Go ahead, complain to the UN. See what that gets you. Play with rattlesnakes for long enough and they are going to bite you.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 13 2025 16:27 utc | 15
Whatever else happens Netanyahu is going to drag Trump. That'll be divisive.
How many alarm clocks are set to go off before August?
The West is racing against time in a calamity of its own making. A quest for the final straw.
Iran doesn't have to do anything to spoil Netanyahu's harvest.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 13 2025 16:27 utc | 16
@13,
Yes, the ramification of Iran's potential downfall would be massive. Not only that it would eliminate the last true ally that China has in the region, but it would also block any projects that China has in the region. Not to mention the effect on Central Asia countries. I find it bizarre that the MFA statement that China did was so pathetic.
I don't expect Russia to be able to help all that much, their hands are full with Ukraine, but indeed China should really step up and assist in any way possible before its too late.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 13 2025 16:28 utc | 17
Posted by: John | Jun 13 2025 16:23 utc | 13
For ZOG this strike was more about BRICS than their BFF
If BRICS is not destroyed the west will fall
showing the rest of BRICS members that Amerika is still top dog will break the trust... they hope
That is why China and Russia will not sit still over this attack
Posted by: ld | Jun 13 2025 16:29 utc | 18
two topics:
a) why were no AAF seen at any video and no jets at all? Answer may be the use of inside spys and explosives.That is also plausible if the real targets were hi rank officers and / or take pressure on the iran regime.
b) the most effective response by iran would be to do nothing. Anything else would result in a more or less war with US, what may be the hidden agenda of the attack.
Doing nothing will left Netanyahoo with the choice of giving up or to escalate further and stronger - showing the world who is the real aggressor. Do Ben has created a lose-lose situation. Congratulion.
The base of of power Israel has is controll the western finance system, which is at the brink of collapse.
So they must do something big.
But if Ru IR Ch stubbornly resists in doing norhing - they will have a problem. The finance cabal is fearing any situation where they are identified as the root of the wars.
May be, this will lead to misconduct ops and then..
Posted by: ableman | Jun 13 2025 16:29 utc | 19
Irans air defence didnt fail, if reports are correct Mossad ground teams used drones to destroy them before they could be used.
Posted by: Starlight | Jun 13 2025 16:32 utc | 20
forgive my typing errors, the car is shaking and its hard to type in at dumbphone..
Posted by: ableman | Jun 13 2025 16:33 utc | 21
If Iranian air defense was so ineffective how could Iran possibly sustain a "closure" of the Strait of Hormuz? The men and materiel they'd be using to close the Strait would be naked to the air. The Strait would be reopened by US air power within days at the most if last night is the best the Iranian military can do defending itself and the country as a whole.
Posted by: deepelemblues | Jun 13 2025 16:34 utc | 22
Good to se you chiming in b4real. Its been a while. Hope all is well on your end.
Posted by: Juan Moment | Jun 13 2025 16:34 utc | 24
If I was the Iranian leadership, my first retaliation would be to denounce the NPT and unilaterally sign out... the US and the Zionist entity don't care if you abide and bomb you anyway, why bother ?
Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 13 2025 16:38 utc | 25
For those who doubt who “stole” Nuclear material, bombs themselves and technology for Israel, you should know it was Netanyahu himself …from the USA . Yes indeed, current Leader of Nuke-armed Israel. His partner in crime? Arnon Milchan who went on to become a famous movie producer in the USA. This is the oldest biggest open secret of the last fifty years, in the USA , but I still haven’t worked out to my liking whether the USA helped them or were honestly swindled by them . Either way ,they just got a slap on the wrist and no jail time.
Posted by: Mustee | Jun 13 2025 16:40 utc | 26
Protests in Iran. Not anti-government. Pro revenge:
"Massive protests erupted in Tehran after Israeli strikes rocked Iran’s military sites. Crowds flooded the streets chanting “Death to America” and demanding swift revenge. Supreme Leader Khamenei vowed “severe punishment” as tensions hit boiling point."
https://youtu.be/He3XUBCYXjM?si=t7BYSPA9JLiyYQzW
Definitely a lot of angry civilians calling for retaliation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 16:41 utc | 27
We're not going to vote ourselves out of this.
Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 13 2025 16:09 utc | 7
Boy, isn't that the truth. As much as wage slaves in the west don't like to deal with questions of force, that is exactly where we're at relative to our Imperialist, Zionist masters.
The question going forward isn't who can win an election, but rather who can organize the hundreds of millions wage slaves into a force capable of unseating the US government, expropriating the ruling class (banks first) and establishing an anti Imperialist, class-based government in Washington.
Yeah, sounds pretty difficult, but it will get much easier as the Imperialists destroy the economy and stretch themselves thin with multiple, losing foreign wars.
Iran will respond. It's an existential question. For the sake of humanity, let's hope it is devastating for Israel.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 16:43 utc | 28
Didnt Pakistan offer its nukes if Israel threatened to attack Iran? Or is that another Judge Nap + Nima cope crew fake news story? I guess Pakistan just got a solid bitch slapping of its own, and its generals are owned by the USA anyway... so i guess it is a no go.
Iran really dropped the ball here unfortunately. All that bluster and then whack! their whole leadership suffered the same fate as Hzb and Syria without firing a single missile that actually counted. What a disaster. For sure they need to hit Donnie and Nutty where it hurts, or else it is game over for them. Pressuring the local lackies onto Trump is a risky response, but i agree w MoA, a potential way out of this challenge that could work, unlike sitting back and hoping for peace or someone being nice to them.
I dont know what the IRGC strategy to victory was, but it seems they forgot that the war games boldly won by Gen Van Riper in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 involved resourcefulness, ruthlessness and creativity, neither of which have so for been on display on the Iranian side, uhnlike, unfortunately, the Israeli side.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 13 2025 16:43 utc | 29
Definitely a lot of angry civilians calling for retaliation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 16:41 utc | 27
A sign of good health! Even if the theocracy falls, these people will not stop fighting the perverted Zionists and their lap dogs in the US government.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 16:45 utc | 30
It's amazing what's happening in Iran.
The Iranian Air Defence was practically completely ineffective, almost as if it had been deactivated.
Has Russia thrown Iran under the bus just like Syria?
As Lavrov said in the Tucker interview at the time: Israel's security is the Russian state's top priority!
Well, it's just as fatal to be a friend of Russia.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Jun 13 2025 15:56 utc | 2
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Ok everyone brace yourself for this actual conspiracy theory to be a repetitive talking point.
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Nothing more than a grandiose fantasy. The Iranians couldn't defend against Israel alone, and we're expected to believe they could close the Strait under months of American bombing?
Either they really will have their nuke, or they are better off with a deal. What did Russia do about the strike?
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 13 2025 16:21 utc | 12
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Houthis did it, meaning Iran can do it.
Russia isn't going to scramble a direct response within a few hours, though I imagine they'll help just as they've doubtless been doing in Yemen.
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Yes, the ramification of Iran's potential downfall would be massive. Not only that it would eliminate the last true ally that China has in the region, but it would also block any projects that China has in the region. Not to mention the effect on Central Asia countries. I find it bizarre that the MFA statement that China did was so pathetic.
I don't expect Russia to be able to help all that much, their hands are full with Ukraine, but indeed China should really step up and assist in any way possible before its too late.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 13 2025 16:28 utc | 17
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I love the fact that lots of people are just unironically parroting the ole MSM line that the Mullah regime is on its last legs.
When in actual fact being attacked has generally solidified Iranian cohesion, whilst also skipping the fact that the Iranian population would be too prideful to accept an outright comprador regime.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Jun 13 2025 16:47 utc | 31
Re: deepelemblues @22,
"how could Iran possibly sustain a "closure" of the Strait of Hormuz?" Easy, the part of the straits that a heavily laden oil tanker can travel is only about 1 mile wide (the Straits are too shallow to sail outside of the center lane), so all the Iranians would need to do block the straits is take 3-5 cargo ships and scuttle them in the middle of the straits. the only way to cross the straits would be to dismantle the ships which would take several months and involve hundreds of workers, all of whom would be completely exposed while working, so realistic the straits couldn't be reopened until after peace settlement is made. However, if Iranian does this it would guarantee a US declaration of war, however the more Trump talks this morning, its obvious that the US is already at war with Iran, so Iran really has no reason to hold back.
Posted by: Kadath | Jun 13 2025 16:49 utc | 32
short of 'trying' to close off the straight of hormuz, i am not sure iran is up for much of anything.. previously we thought hamas and hezbollah had some capability.. we thought iran had some ability to respond... in appears at the moment to be just the opposite.. they are all shut down and ineffective in responding to israels warmongering agenda...
i wonder if russia awaits a similar fate??
at present going on the offensive seems to be a winning strategy in the world today.. i don't like it, but i am willing to acknowledge what i see happening too..
thanks b and others..
Posted by: james | Jun 13 2025 16:50 utc | 33
Yes the child-murderers have nuclear bombs, and?, that means you have to let them to kill your children without responding to the bully?
If the zionists use nuclear bombs against Iran, the iranians only had to hit one place and the occupied palestine will be empty in less than a week = DIMONA. There is no space for an "exclusion zone" á la Chernobyl, occupied Palestine is very small.
This is the nuclear deterrence of Iran, and is in the zionists' soil
Posted by: Dave F | Jun 13 2025 16:53 utc | 34
Let's state the obvious:
Why not do all three?
Besides, I think it's high time Xi asks his generals to prepare the plans to go after Taiwan. The combined West could barely survive a few months if Ukraine, Iran and Taiwan are in fully-blown war mode; these idiots don't have the money or the production abilities to sustain that for long and would be forced to choose just one and be completely annihilated in the other 2 fronts - odds being they'll lose the front they focus on as well, of course.
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jun 13 2025 16:55 utc | 35
A sign of good health! Even if the theocracy falls, these people will not stop fighting the perverted Zionists and their lap dogs in the US government.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 16:45 utc | 30
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"Key man" efficacy is a Western myth. People are fungible. When a society is cohesive the elimination of a handful of key men doesn't really matter. Others will fill their place.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 13 2025 16:56 utc | 36
Trump is a tool and will do everything the Zionists want him do. Otherwise they will release the tapes.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 13 2025 16:57 utc | 37
Can't they close the Straits by sinking ols ships there with strings of mines attached to them?
Posted by: Terasppl | Jun 13 2025 16:59 utc | 38
I'm sorry but the only thing Israel, the US and Nato in general respects is force - there's no point in striking a US or other Nato/Israel linked bases, for Israel and the USA will just strike at the heart of Iran- a page needs to be taken from the Yemen book, a direct huge attack on Israel by Iran is required - Iran will probably be defeated but, Israel will also be greatly restricted if it can achieve enough damage.
Besides if Israel is planning to keep this up for weeks on end, if Iran only responds in a token gesture, the US and Israel will do a Yemen on Iran, and bomb the country indiscriminately - for me in this case Iran has to fight fire with fire, or been seen as weak and vulnerable - the key to any form of success for Iran is timing - when to launch a huge counter attack on Israel - and attack that will strike not just military targets, but take out government targets, and important infrastructure such as electricity water and gas.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 13 2025 16:59 utc | 39
It should now be clear to any country negotiating with the USA that Trump cannot be trusted.
The Iranians were lulled into a false sense of security whilst preparing for the next round of negotiations.
I am surprised that top officials from Iran didn’t move to more secure premises. Surely they should have learned a lesson from Hezbollah?
Posted by: Justin | Jun 13 2025 17:00 utc | 40
"International Law" is defunct, a dead letter...as an egregious form of "Real-Politik" rides high in the saddles of the Zionist Entity; the U$$A; Perfidious Albion, the Rottenchild's little gopher-boy, Macaroni, and a bought and paid for Neo-fascist regime in Germany.
Iran absolutely will need to maintain geopolitical credibility by carefully engineering a counter-attack on the Zionist entity. The most promising economic hit would be to take out the refineries, petroleum tanks and docking/warehousing facilities in Haifa. Secondly, the nexus of command for both the Izzy Airfarce with an array of All American planes, along with the tattered remnants of their ground forces. Mossad and other intel entities must also be targeted.
No attacks on civilian infrastructure...yet. First and foremost would be the Brooklanese "settlers" busy murdering West Bank Palestinians and stealing more land from them. Such an assault would eventuate following further Izzy raids on Iranian civilian populations.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 17:01 utc | 41
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 16:26 utc | 14
as in....
https://southfront.press/in-video-israeli-warplanes-mossad-commandos-destroy-iranian-missiles/
Posted by: drinky crow | Jun 13 2025 17:01 utc | 42
Posted by: deepelemblues | Jun 13 2025 16:34 utc | 22
Impressive lack of imagination. Especially given the fact that bombing Yemen for what, a decade?, did exactly nothing in preventing sandal wearing gun nuts from making shipping in the red see unfeasable.
But whatever. This all isn't about some genius, masterfully crafted strategy. This is about a terminally corrupted and diseased system imploding over it's contradiction; opportunistically grapsing at straws, ever more unhinged and vile, to consume and live yet another day.
Even 'winning', in case there isn't outright nuclear armageddon, just means some more years of some creature being king of the ashes.
Posted by: kspr | Jun 13 2025 17:04 utc | 43
@James - Russia certainly tempts that fate with it's slow, methodical, PREDICTABLE approach to it's situation in US backed and led former state of Ukraine. The element of surprise has been abandoned.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 13 2025 17:04 utc | 44
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jun 13 2025 16:55 utc | 35
Agree in operational western thinking terms. Now would be the time. But China is a behemoth and has partners the world over. They'd probably rather watch the US and any vassals willing to follow it commit slow but quickening suicide. I suppose if Russia was truly at risk they'd take action but they're just watching us go down the tubes for now.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 17:05 utc | 45
I can only hope that Iran does more than they done in the past... When Israel flat out states they plan on doing this for the next 14 days, Iran has to hit hard and fast, no half-ass responses like in the past.
Posted by: ctiger | Jun 13 2025 17:07 utc | 46
drinky crow (42).
Can't recall where I read it today, but an article claimed that Special Forces (Who's) are in Iran and helping airborne vehicles target Iranian weapons and personnel - they are also said to be jamming Iranian radar to hide the approach of Israel et al bombers etc.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 13 2025 17:10 utc | 47
Since Iran is very nearly a nuclear power, it will always be feared and threatened by the US and Israel. The only way out is for Iran to bite the bullet and become a nuclear power. Sanctions will remain, but US/Israeli military strikes will end.
Posted by: Michael Thomas | Jun 13 2025 17:11 utc | 48
James@1650: Access a map on the bottleneck which is the Straits of Hormuz. Iran has literally thousands of short-range missiles overlooking those constrictive waters. Many of the missiles are safe underground. No way they could all be wiped out...even with a single nuke.
Chances are that Russia would kindly let the Collective Wa$te that nukes in their general neighborhood means that all options are on the table. The Trumpeting elephant may or may not understand that...but Army and Marine Colonels, along with Navy Captains in the Pentagon would immediately catch the drift.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 17:11 utc | 49
The question going forward isn't who can win an election, but rather who can organize the hundreds of millions wage slaves into a force capable of unseating the US government, expropriating the ruling class (banks first) and establishing an anti Imperialist, class-based government in Washington.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 13 2025 16:43 utc | 28
Haha... A tribune of the working class, an American Caesar? Tell me, who in the current public eye would fit that mold best? I'd be quite pleased if President Trump decided to purge Capitol Hill.
You think of Americans as wage slave NPCs, and they'd return the favor by slashing your throat if you tried to "organize" them. Way too many wannabe Spartacists would be eaten alive if they ever met an actual worker.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 13 2025 17:12 utc | 50
LOL! China would not be happy if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz. This is more wishful thinking, after all the Kool Aid on Palestine.
Posted by: SG | Jun 13 2025 17:14 utc | 51
Connecting Iran and Russia the way it is being done in these threads fanciful. It's counterfactual.
Russia and China will not militarily assist Iran. They will follow the diplomatic route and be very condemnatory.
Iran has taken a big, painful blow. Its counter moves will come.
The bigger picture appears to be clearing up - Western ruling circles have decided to wage a major war to impress upon everyone that they absolutely intend to safeguard their interests, privileges and domination
They are escalating everywhere, culminating in this attack on Iran which was being arranged before ourvery eyes and noses, with the final act the IAEA Board anti-Iran resolution. That was the trigger USIsrael wanted and got.
That indicates that the US, UK, France and Germany were involved in the entire scheme and, certainly, knew and participated in some ways in he attack itself. NATO also.
The Western ruling class feels strong because it has not faced any effective opposition, real push back that it understands, to its proxy war with Russia, its constant attacks in Palestine, Lebanon and the destruction of Syria, its aggressive moves in Asia around China, in Latin America etc.
The decisive military confrontation, in my understanding, was always going to take place in the Middle East, for strategic reasons.That has now begun.
All these big and small, powerful and not, states that stood by watching the violent rampage of USIsrael in the ME thinking that by playing quasi legal games in a thoroughly rotten international system they could get by essentially unscathed, or not too much, were, of course, wrong. A layperson could have told them that.
Willfully blind. It comes at a heavy price, yet to be paid, by all.
Posted by: JB | Jun 13 2025 17:14 utc | 52
Posted by: drinky crow | Jun 13 2025 17:01 utc | 42
Yep. And as in comments at Southfront, it's clear that something is seriously amiss with Iran's OpSec if Mossad agents could not only operate that openly (many attacks were daylight) inside Iran, but also apparently get away and out of the country or back into hiding without engaging in any gun battles let alone suffering captures or casualties.
Not good for Iran. Not at all. This indicates serious corruption/bribability and/or a fractured polity susceptible to sabotage. Which differs from the Russian situation vis a vis Operation Spiderweb in that Ukrainians can easily blend into Russia and that the two countries are in an active war with the expected fluidity of the large areas on either side of the line of contact, and long term NATO aided planning and execution involved. Which is to say, that I think the US had way more tactical involvement in the Iranian operation than is being admitted, not that this is some genius epiphany on my part. But I was probably among the more stupid here at MoA in assuming that the Trump administration was engaging in at least SOME good faith through the negotiations. Oops. Fool me twice...
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 17:17 utc | 53
Access a map on the bottleneck which is the Straits of Hormuz. Iran has literally thousands of short-range missiles overlooking those constrictive waters.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 17:11 utc | 49
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Iran has been laying mines in the Strait for decades.
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/20/world/us-orders-8-old-minesweepers-to-the-gulf.html?
Posted by: too scents | Jun 13 2025 17:18 utc | 54
....they'd return the favor by slashing your throat if you tried to "organize" them. Way too many wannabe Spartacists would be eaten alive if they ever met an actual worker.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 13 2025 17:12 utc | 50
Are you calling American workers cutthroat Zionist Jews now? You have no understanding of history and the fact that you even used the term "NPC" is enough to write you off as a Gen Z FPS gamer fantasizing about slitting throats IRL.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 17:19 utc | 55
It can close down the Strait of Hormuz through which 25% of the global hydrocarbon productions is flowing. There is the little the U.S. could do to prevent Iran from sustaining such a blockade.
They can and its the perfect excuse for all the Sunni nations in the region to allow US air to operate from their bases. It would be game on. On the other side of the coin the US can block, board, and sieze every vessel loaded with Irans after it leaves the gulf.
Either way its game on and it is exactly what the Global Zionist Organizers would hope to achieve.
Posted by: circumspect | Jun 13 2025 17:20 utc | 56
Timid responses to agression have never detered bullies. I hope both Russia and China are taking note. The pathetic show of some Russia elites who seem to believe that Donald Trump wants a peaceful negotiation to all the conflicts he promoted during his first term is worrying. I believe the Russians are giving Trump more credits than he deserves.
Well, we shall see how the Persian Mullahs decide to defend their freedom. Because without a major and decisive response to this criminality, Iran would soon become another Syria.
Posted by: Steve | Jun 13 2025 17:21 utc | 57
In a truly all out conflict, Iran could destroy Israel permanently - without nuclear weapons. If they launched dirty bombs, Israel could be uninhabitable for decades, maybe centuries. And shooting down such missiles, if already over Israel, would be ineffective.
Iran needs hypersonics in sizeable numbers. Israel has its own nuclear facilities to worry about and that's the most effective way I know about to bypass air defenses.
I see this bombing as weak sauce by Israel, to a degree. They really didn't change much of anything substantial. It looks mostly political from Netanyahu and Trump. Anything more and we're talking end of the world stuff to stop Iran.
Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 13 2025 17:21 utc | 58
Rubio's Slippers @1643: Concern, concern, concern. Currently, the Iranians are getting their infrastructure back into some form of coherent order.Give it a day or two. We'll know more as the gears turn.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 17:24 utc | 59
@Eighthman | Jun 13 2025 17:21 utc | 58
It is Occupied Palestine, remember. You don't want to do that.
Use missiles to close down port of Haifa, Ben Gurion and other airports. Strangle the bastard.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 17:25 utc | 60
Circum-sized @1720: Concentration of force totally favors Iran. Look at a friggen map of the general area and then a quick glance at Iranian topography looming above the narrow navigable channel. The Gulf dictatorships will not deign to allow the U$$A to use its air power from bases on their territories. The Persians have enough missiles in the littoral to obliterate Gulf petroleum production.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 17:27 utc | 61
too scents@1718: Gotcha. Mines as well as missiles...what's a poor former hegemon to do?
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 17:30 utc | 62
“Zionism meant a full return to the superstition of antiquity in its most barbaric form”
(The Controversy of Zion, Douglas Reed)
Israel raises record $5bn in bond sales to US investors as Gaza genocide strains economy
USrael will get us into World War III ... (Carpe diem)
Posted by: Pandora | Jun 13 2025 17:33 utc | 63
International law doesn't matter. It's a talking point.
If Iran tries to negotiate, it will be destroyed.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 17:33 utc | 64
If Israel could be so effective on all strikes while they were expecting it it means that Iran would collapse with just Israelis fighting them,let alone US.
Iran is done, another myth of a proper state in middle east destroyed
Posted by: Trump | Jun 13 2025 17:36 utc | 65
Iran has repeatedly threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz if the country is attacked.https://t.me/Slavyangrad/130621The IRGC has warned that it is prepared to use sea mines and missiles in the event of a conflict, arguing that the strait could be "unusable for several years." This position was most clearly voiced by the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy, Rear Admiral Alireza Tangsiri, who said: "If I receive an order [to close the strait], it is my duty to carry it out."
The Strait of Hormuz is a narrow waterway connecting the Persian Gulf with the Gulf of Oman. The strait is of enormous strategic importance: it accounts for more than a third of global oil exports by sea. The main oil suppliers are Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates. From the Persian Gulf, tankers go through Hormuz to China, India and Japan, as well as to the United States and Western Europe.Whether Iran will decide to do this or not is a big question.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 17:37 utc | 66
Israel raises record $5bn in bond sales to US investors as Gaza genocide strains economy
Posted by: Pandora | Jun 13 2025 17:33 utc | 63
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Israel's debt is practically risk free ==> https://www.google.com/search?q=us+government+guarantees+israel+debt
Posted by: too scents | Jun 13 2025 17:41 utc | 67
JB@1714: Could it be that the ruling elite are somewhat of a paper tiger? Economic dislocation, massive layoffs, even in SillyCone Valley, slippage of the Maga clones doe to being double-crossed by "Guess Who"; huge masses of culturally indigestible illegal migrants...and the list goes on and on.
Ukraine collapses before our eyes. Kier Starmer is out of the picture in a rapid acceleration downfall. Macaroni is hanging on in Paris, mostly due to the behind the scenes of his Rottenchild bosses. Mertz in Krautania is facing his "partners" in a make-up regime is sticking out his Neo-fascist proclamations.
The Collective Wa$te is both doddering and tottering. A showman/mountebank is their visual frontman. PLUS: The Di$trict of Corruption displays very few adults in the room...mostly a gaggle of grifters.
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 17:41 utc | 68
🔴 Large explosion rocks area southwest of occupied Al-Quds after Yemeni missile launch
https://t.me/presstv/143966
🔴 Air defenses in Iranian capital continue to engage Israeli targets
https://t.me/presstv/143967
🔴 Televised statement by Leader of Iran's Islamic revolution to air shortly
https://t.me/presstv/143968
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 17:42 utc | 69
Putin holds phone conversations with Israeli PM and Iranian president
Posted by: fabrice | Jun 13 2025 17:43 utc | 70
RT 17:30 GMT
Russian President Vladimir Putin has held a phone conversation with his Iranian counterpart, Masoud Pezeshkian. He extended his condolences to Pezeshkian over the fatalities inflicted by the Israeli attacks, which included civilians, the Kremlin press service said.Putin stressed that Russia condemns the Israeli actions and deems them in breach of the UN Charter and international law. The Russian president expressed support for a diplomatic resolution to the issues surrounding Iran’s nuclear program, and pledged to help de-escalate the current crisis.
Putin give them the nukes and hypersonics, or u lose BRICS and get killed.
Posted by: gary | Jun 13 2025 17:43 utc | 71
I'm sorry but the only thing Israel, the US and Nato in general respects is force - there's no point in striking a US or other Nato/Israel linked bases, for Israel and the USA will just strike at the heart of Iran- a page needs to be taken from the Yemen book, a direct huge attack on Israel by Iran is required - Iran will probably be defeated but, Israel will also be greatly restricted if it can achieve enough damage.
Besides if Israel is planning to keep this up for weeks on end, if Iran only responds in a token gesture, the US and Israel will do a Yemen on Iran, and bomb the country indiscriminately - for me in this case Iran has to fight fire with fire, or been seen as weak and vulnerable - the key to any form of success for Iran is timing - when to launch a huge counter attack on Israel - and attack that will strike not just military targets, but take out government targets, and important infrastructure such as electricity water and gas.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 13 2025 16:59 utc | 39
One thing is certain, if Iran doesn't possess nukes now they will in a week.
Posted by: thomas j cahill | Jun 13 2025 17:44 utc | 72
Pandora@1733: Highly probable that those $5B in Izzy bonds have been scooped up by loyal wealthy Talmudists here in the U$$A...99&44 one hundredths probability factor. Who else would throw good money after an economic house of cards?
Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 13 2025 17:45 utc | 73
Press TV Livestream
https://x.com/Stream_liv/status/1933380554667274447
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 17:45 utc | 74
It seems some precedents and prototypes for the current situation are the Solemani assasination and the Spiderweb operation. A big difference however is that Trump and the US now seem clearly and directly involved in the deceptive and weaponized use of a diplomatic peace negotiation process to exploit the trust and exposure engendered, on the part of parties participating in that process, to militarily attack while scheduled high-level meetings were pending.
With what appears to be active support, such as midair refueling and airpace access for Israel to attack, has Trump cuckholded and neutered himself on behalf of nefarious foreign interests?
Has this also liquidated the basis of trust, good faith, and expectation of legitimacy for diplomatic peace processes that non-Swift banking nations might extend to relations with nations directly subject to the Swift banking system and its tender mercies?
Perhaps we just saw a public firesale of US ability to conduct foreign policy - even if it doesn't know what its foreign policy is. This is major and I suspect it will have a huge effect on the next three years of Trump and the difficulties we and others in the world will face.
The US is not on the right side of history here and a leader with foresight and conscientiousness might have chosen more wisely - not that any were running for president last time. I figure next time we can vote "teleprompter for president" since we can all read and don't need a narrator and dramatist to launder a hidden voice and agenda into propaganda for public consumption.
So clearly diplomatic peace negotiations are considered by some to be a valid military vector.
Killing With Military Equipment Disguised as Civilian Objects is Perfidy:
https://www.justsecurity.org/21285/disguising-military-weapons-civilian-equipment-perfidy-or-be/
The evolution of perfidy is upon us. Perhaps this will bring some new attention to the value behind concepts such as integrity, honor, and universal human rights.
Posted by: NomNom | Jun 13 2025 17:46 utc | 75
—❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 BREAKING: Unconfirmed report claim Artesh air defense force has shot down an Israeli Jet
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/19523
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 17:46 utc | 76
Russia is feckless
Russia does nothing while the same people who are trying to destroy them destroy another country without cause. This I tell Russia, prepare for a very unstable southern border. You are next on the menu. You didn't even give Iran S400's or warn them about the pending attack; some security agreement!
The U.S. is evil but at least we support our adopted children.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jun 13 2025 17:50 utc | 78
@76 - I very much doubt that, Israel isnt flying over Iran they are firing missiles 50km away
Posted by: Sonar | Jun 13 2025 17:51 utc | 79
Posted by: Trump | Jun 13 2025 17:36 utc | 65
It's yours and Vance's war now. Can't wait to hear the new campaign messaging or witness the "antiwar" "debate" performance during the next GOP primaries.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 17:53 utc | 80
So much delusion on this board. Seems like the online "resistance" folks have been underestimating Israel and overestimating Iranian power. Israel is supposedly on the verge of collapse and yet they are still around openly wiping out Palestinians. They neutered Hezbollah and now Iran is on the chopping block. Not to mention Iran being full of corruption and traitors. IRGC is more preoccupied about it's gulf investments then it's defense. Iran will do what they always do, raise some red flags, hold public rallies, launch some symbolic strikes and that'll be it. If they go to war, they'll be broken apart with bordering countries moving in and taking over land with their corresponding ethnic groups. That is what happens when your entire political movement, governance and planning is based on martyrdom and waiting for a divine savior to show up. More akin to a cult then a functional government.
As for China, they are all about business and realpolitik. They aren't gonna fight Israel for Iran. They can still buy oil from whoever takes over Iran from the mullahs.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/06/chinas-quiet-rapprochement-with-israel.html
Posted by: Al | Jun 13 2025 17:53 utc | 81
@Sonar | Jun 13 2025 17:51 utc | 79
🇮🇷⚔️🇮🇱 Iranian channels are publishing a video allegedly showing an Israeli pilot after ejecting.https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/151251They also report that a second jet has been shot down.
ℹ️None of these claims have been verified or confirmed as of now.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 17:53 utc | 82
So yes Regime change is the game
e.g. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/06/13/israel-iran-regime-attack-goal-column-00405153
And trump seems happy to comply and just forget everything said just weeks ago
But it's a tall order, failure probable.
Now a major change might end up biting the west in the ass
Assassinations and sabotage from within or even terrorism.
If that's the new war, all states will end as police states in no time and it wont be enough.
A small correction, israel's attack might be called preventive, but not preemptive
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 13 2025 17:54 utc | 83
The west is fighting to win, the so-called "global south" is not.
A logical move right now would be for China and Pakistan to provide support to Iran, and for Iran and Russia to jointly invade Azerbaijan, so as to have a land corridor and assume more control over oil resources. They won't.
I think that the likeliest outcome is that Iran either disintegrates or is taken over by a puppet government and then disintegrates, and afterwards, Russia and China follow.
Posted by: Afro | Jun 13 2025 17:55 utc | 84
The only way to remove the existential threat to Iran is to become a nuclear power.
This will restore the deterrent, retaliatory and punitive power of its conventional forces and guarantee its people freedom to develop without fear of annihilation.
There is no other available solution and never will be.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 17:55 utc | 85
The US is the big loser. On the one hand, by supporting the Ukrainian attacks on Russia, on nuclear infrastructure, it has proven irresponsibility and that Trump is a duck, as irresponsible as Biden, a puppet in the hands of the Deep State. On the other hand, by supporting Israel to attack Iran, it has proven that it is not a serious partner, a superpower that can mediate peace.Iran started badly, but it is in the Khomeini tradition to start badly, so it was with Iraq, the proxy wars with Israel in Lebanon. Tyranny returns to the tyrant's children says a Persian proverb. Israel, paradoxically, after this "stage victory" has deepened its identity crisis (a terrorist criminal state that will no longer be able to hide behind the Holocaust), economic, social and soon military.
As with Russia's syncopes at the beginning of the operation in Ukraine, many are quick to draw the wrong conclusions, singing Iran's Prokhod.
People have forgotten about the "Oil Shock", it's time to remember....
Posted by: surena | Jun 13 2025 17:55 utc | 86
BTW regarding post 78, 'adopted children' is a bad phrase. I was trying to describe countries under the U.S. umbrella of protection. Proxy is good for countries under our dominion (like the EU) but that does not apply to Israel. Israel is not a proxy (dang, still struggling for an accurate phrase, it's going to drive me crazy)
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jun 13 2025 17:55 utc | 87
Posted by: Sonar | Jun 13 2025 17:51 utc | 79
According to wikipedia, on a quick glance, the S-300 system has a range of up to 75km.
I admit, i have no idea what systems Iran operates.
Posted by: kspr | Jun 13 2025 17:56 utc | 88
Are you calling American workers cutthroat Zionist Jews now? You have no understanding of history and the fact that you even used the term "NPC" is enough to write you off as a Gen Z FPS gamer fantasizing about slitting throats IRL.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 17:19 utc | 55
Hah. And here I thought you were being sober for most of the thread. No, American workers increasingly dislike Israel, and most would love a chance to follow an actual populist leader. Of course, no one remotely to the left of center qualifies at all for that title, and their ability to organize is garbage. But go on, explain the amazing history that will carry you to victory.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 13 2025 17:57 utc | 89
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1933580909254430912
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
The Israeli army says they targeted another Iranian nuclear enrichment facility in Isfahan.
https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1933491550677250071
☀️👀 @zei_squirrel
Trump is now openly boasting about having killed top Iranian officials and saying he will kill even more of them. Yet again all the "experts" went along with the obviously deranged propaganda line that the US was not involved in the attack and actually really wants a deal. Hacks
https://x.com/Pataramesh/status/1933512975723159875
Patarames @Pataramesh
Israel inflicted pain to force a massive reaction from Iran.
That, in turn, would bring in the U.S. to target critical sites like Fordow
➡️ This also means that the operation has not neutralized anything critical, besides IRGC personalities
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1933579633762709986
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
🚨⚡️BREAKING
The Iranian armed forces announce the successful downing of an Israeli fighter jet.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 13 2025 17:57 utc | 90
the silence of the middle east countries on this attack is telling... Haven't heard of any of them condemning the attack so far. Some might even be enjoying this. Serious security issues in Iran, and the rest of "resistance". Israel routinely takes out their leadership with impunity. Maybe Iran will succumb to the same fate as Hezbollah- leadership decimated and forced to accept "cease fires". Give the devil his due, Israel knows what's it doing and is doing it well. Nobody seems to want to stand up to them with the exception of the Houthies (have to admire them). Hope I wrong and there really is a harsh response but not holding my breath.. Sadly, seems if you cross a Russinan or Iranian "red Line" they just draw another, and then yet again, another.
Posted by: ctiger | Jun 13 2025 17:58 utc | 91
Iran will neither attack Israel forcefully nor close the strait of Hormuz. It will fire a response on Israel (largely symbolic) and hope that it is not attacked again.
Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.
Posted by: WJ | Jun 13 2025 18:00 utc | 92
@91,
There were condemnation from pretty much every relevant country in the Middle East & Russia/China but at this point considering Gaza and what Israel has done until today, these condemnation are meaningless.
Houthis are probably the only country/actor that enjoys its war with Israel and embraces it every day. Which is something that other actors in the region could not (even Iran).
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 13 2025 18:01 utc | 93
Israel is not a proxy (dang, still struggling for an accurate phrase, it's going to drive me crazy)
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Jun 13 2025 17:55 utc | 87
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Satrap?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap
Posted by: too scents | Jun 13 2025 18:02 utc | 94
All "Israel" really has as a desired and achievable outcome is regime change. Saddam couldn't topple Iran at the peak of his power with a land invasion attempt, CIA assistance and much western backing (despite some both-sidesism going on). It really comes down to regime change at the end of the day, and I don't see it happening with the Iranians rallying FOR the government to exact revenge on "Israel" cannot continue apace without direct US/NATO intervention or significant infiltration/sabotage inside Tehran.
To wit: https://x.com/AmichaiChikli/status/1933529136246448285
Regime change is THE goal here.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 18:04 utc | 95
We can conclude that nothing Trump says is to be given any weight.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 13 2025 18:04 utc | 96
—❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 BREAKING: Unconfirmed news of a total of 3 Israeli aircraft losses
Iran's air defenses seem to be back to work!
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/19527
—❗️🇮🇱/🇮🇷 BREAKING: Red Alerts expected ALL ACROSS ISRAEL
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/19531
🇮🇱🇮🇷⚡️ Israeli settlers told to stay next to bomb shelters. Emergency alert sent to phones by Home Front Command.
https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/41932
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 18:04 utc | 97
@92,
When you have 0 relevant allies or states that can't even protect their own borders (I'm talking about Iraq here) fighting against Israel and United States is pretty suicidal. They need US to actually bomb them to have any sort of leverage to attack their bases in the region. And their AD is pretty shaky so far.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 13 2025 18:05 utc | 98
Of course, no one remotely to the left of center qualifies at all for that title, and their ability to organize is garbage. But go on, explain the amazing history that will carry you to victory.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 13 2025 17:57 utc | 89
Not that this is the time or place for such a conversation (and I don't blame you for broaching it), but you might have a look at Bernard "Sheepdog" Sanders rallies some time. In fact, most working people I know who voted Trump in 2016 had planned to vote for "populist" Sanders before the Demorats sabotaged him. So again, you're not in touch with reality.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 13 2025 18:06 utc | 99
Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.
Posted by: WJ | Jun 13 2025 18:00 utc | 92
I've just learned how fickle that maxim is this time.
Here's a patch:
"Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Except when it matters."
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 18:06 utc | 100
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This is the way.
The global economy is not stopping Israel, it needs to be held accountable.
b4real
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