English Outsider - "Dirty War" Is What Trump Has Been Left With
b here: I do not have any trust in Trump. I do not believe, like English Outsider seems to do, that Trump is fighting the neocons. They have a common program. There is only disagreement about the means, and the rhetoric used to sell the case.
That said - the congruence of methods applied via the Ukrainians and the Zionist is very interesting. It leads me to conclude that both wars are part of one and the same program. But I doubt that Trump has the smarts to run it like this.
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by English Outsider
lifted from a comment
Ceasefire in the Iranian/Israeli war, they say. If so, well done Trump! Hope his odd series of manoeuvres has drawn the teeth of the Washington neocons. Doubt it though. And Trump has failed to stop the atrocities in Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon. Plus whatever the proxy regime in Syria is doing by way of atrocity. So a heavily qualified well done at that, even allowing for the ceasefire looking so frail.
The Israelis have ditched themselves and the West along with them. After the Western support for the Gaza atrocities, the US/ UK and Germany in the forefront, the diplomatic and moral credibility of the West, shaky before, is now gone. We Westerners now have to live in a world the majority of which now regards us as pariah states. Oderint dum metuant is the only foreign policy we have left.
That worked when the Western countries were the the predominant and maybe the only serious military powers. Now we're not, all we have left is US nuclear and David Ignatius' "dirty war". When Merz said recently the Israelis are doing the dirty work for us he probably didn't realise he was condemning himself more than them. What some call the "Global South" did and that does for any lingering pretence that we're upholding a "rules based international order".
That reads straight across to the conflict now drawing to its end in Ukraine. The assassinations in the then self-declared republics and the later assassinations in Russia itself are now admitted even in the Western press to have been run out of bases set up by the West for that purpose from 2014 on. Run by "our babies" as they were termed. Those assassinations mirrored by the assassinations in the Middle East, also now openly admitted.
In addition we can now count four attempts to sabotage nuclear power plants - some also admitted to by the Western press and by the Ukrainians - plus the attempts to seize NPP's and use them as bargaining counters. And the use of container drones or pre-placed drones has been seen against both Iran and Russia. Not one-offs from unaccountable terrorist groups but long planned operations conducted by Western countries. This is "dirty war" at its maximum and there is no longer any pretence that the Israelis or the Ukrainians do it all by themselves.
Also long gone is any pretence that the Ukrainians have been running their war over there. Just as with the Iranian war, we've been up to our necks in that war as well. Western countries, mainly the US and UK, micromanaged that war and did so with a merciless disregard for the proxies. The "Summer Offensive", Krinky, the Kursk offensive, to name three of the worst, were operations planned by our General staffs often against the better judgement of the Ukrainian General Staff. Had any NATO General thrown away the lives of NATO troops like that he would, as was remarked at the time, have been cashiered. But it was only the proxies so the Milley/Cavoli/Radakin trio got away with it. The Ukrainian PBI didn't and the way we threw their lives away in suicidal operations that had not the ghost of a chance of success was a war crime in itself.
"Dirty war", incompetent war, sacrificial war, both in the Middle East and in Ukraine, that's the mess Trump's been left with.
There are observers and analysts, respectable analysts at that and not the information warriors who peddle their "analyses" in the degraded Western press, not the Lees or the Kofmans or the ISW, who assert that Trump is merely another face of a predatory and ruthless Western political establishment. Brian Berletic has been foremost amongst those warning us of that. Berletic's got so much right over the years, and that when few others did, that it's maybe over-optimistic to hope he's got that wrong. But I believe it's still possible to argue that Trump, and very many of those supporting Trump, do not see these endless forever wars as the mission. The mission is to rescue the US from the state of near terminal decline it's got itself into. Forever wars are in the way of that.
So it might be legitimate to see Trump as opposed to the powerful war factions in the US rather than as merely another face for those factions. With the midterms looming he doesn't have much choice but to attempt to placate or outmanoeuvre those factions. It doesn't look pretty but maybe he's doing it the only way it can be done.
Posted by b on June 25, 2025 at 8:40 UTC | Permalink
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💬🇮🇱Iran has not signed any ceasefire agreements with Israel, the deputy head of the Islamic Republic's Foreign Ministry said.
He noted that Iran stopped carrying out retaliatory strikes after the end of aggression by Israel
A very shaky ground.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Jun 25 2025 9:06 utc | 2
I’m thinking this is why the U$NATO we’re only mildly concerned about weapons “disappearing” from Ukraine …. They were being re-directed in anticipation of shit kicking off in Iran.
Iran's Ministry of Information and National Security reports the arrest of a six-member Mossad spy cell.
During searches in the basement of one of the buildings, Spike ATGMs and missiles for them, FPV drones with mortar shells as warheads, a missile from a Misagh-3 MANPADS and other ammunition were discovered.
Interslava
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 9:16 utc | 3
Trump has his feet deep in the mud of this war.
Remember his plans for a new „Riviera in the Mediterrean“, Gaza as a new luxury resort for the upper class.
And all the real-estate Entrepreneurs like himself, son in law Kushner or Steve Witkoff are looking forward to making a fortune out of it.
Posted by: Lesjeuxsontfaits | Jun 25 2025 9:17 utc | 4
"Trump signals sanctions relief for China to buy Iran’s oil"
Iranian oil against Chinese equipment, machines, weapons. Through cargo or the new direct train line. In their own currencies, outside Swift. How is the US expected to sanction or authorize (o, thank you, your Yankship) that?
Posted by: Asian Frog | Jun 25 2025 9:22 utc | 5
Zelensky has acquired a suit!!!!
Is it also attire for a funeral?
He premiered his new costume as he paraded in the NATO dinner.
>… But wait… Ukraine isn’t in NATO… riiight?
Vid: https://nitter.net/TheInsiderPaper/status/1937627450076266831
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 9:22 utc | 6
NOT a parody account.
Trump just posted a bomb bomb bomb Iran musical meme.
“Make Iran a parking lot”… yeah. Trump failed Diplomacy 101.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114740882500667664
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 9:24 utc | 7
""Dirty war", incompetent war, sacrificial war..."Maybe one should also introduce the idea of "deescalatory war" which might be what the "non-west" or at least Russia has been doing or been aiming for.
A strategic choice preferring to take opportunities to go slow, postpone, protract, and/or sustain conflicts at a relatively low intensity.
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Not directly connected: ceasefire or no ceasefire I'm waiting to see what the US really decides. Will they leave, attack, or wait? Except for the B2 fairytales I haven't yet seen anything about the US moving any of the new resources out of the region (and staying costs money too). So for now it looks like "wait".
If there really is a big trap set for the US (my opinion), if "Israel" somehow manages to respect the ceasefire or at least not launch major attacks, and if the US still waits, then will Iran decide to launch an attack to get things moving again within let's say a week or so?
One can't do an ambush unless one holds back and waits, that's how ambushes work, but one might also have to lure the enemy in if they're moving away in the wrong direction.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 25 2025 9:27 utc | 8
TrumpTeamTrix asked China to ask Iran not to blockquote Hormuz.
China’s terms? No sanctions on the Iran- China oil trade.
Israel still discombobulated as to how fast they got sidelined….
Oil trade trumps all trade.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 9:27 utc | 9
"It doesn't look pretty but maybe he's doing it the only way it can be done."
He had a HUGE mandate from the public to clean house. What is even worse he promised them he was going to do it.
It wasn't the only way. The truth is he didn't even attempt it. The moment you saw who he handpicked to have around him everybody knew it was a grift.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 9:38 utc | 10
Oil trade trumps all trade.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 9:27 utc | 10
For MAGA to succeed Trump needs low inflation and low energy costs. Close the Straits of Hormuz and MAGA is dead in the water. That’s why Israel got sidelined.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 25 2025 9:42 utc | 11
In relation to this war it is always about Trump, neocons, etc.. never about the people actually doing the work, the military, the intelligence organisations, etc.. All the actions we see are planned in detailed, sometime over multiple years. I see Trump more as the PR man, the man who can shield above organisations from public scrutiny. Before the bombing of the nuclear installations Trump was all in for the destruction of Iran. After it he was for cease fire and negotiations. Why did the plan changed? It can only be because the above organisations realised it was a failure, realised they could not confront Iran directly over a long period of time. So it was up to Trump to sell it to the public. So he declared a cease fire, but not the end of the war. So the people doing the actual work can prepare something else.
Posted by: hubert | Jun 25 2025 9:54 utc | 12
Hypothesis:
Because the fake-left “nothing destroyed” “admission” likely has a pro-war purpose like everything else from regime media, perhaps it is offered to move the discussion away from “illegal attack!” to “if the attack indeed failed and now the mullahs are hiding 14,400 ounces!! /s of highly enriched uranium, how much more violence must we inflict to find it and/or prevent its use??”
If the foregoing hypothesis is true, then maybe the first attack’s impotence was accepted but executed simply to move the plot along. In turn, the admin’s “totally destroyed!” protestations are theatrical.
…we’ll never “know”, of course.
Posted by: I forgot | Jun 25 2025 9:59 utc | 14
Close the Straits of Hormuz and MAGA is dead in the water. That’s why Israel got sidelined.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 25 2025 9:42 utc | 13
Isn’t that what I said?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 10:00 utc | 15
Oderint dum metuant: -'Let them hare as long as they fear'
My Latin is rusty but I think that's the gist.
Excellent analysis as the Latin mantra perfectly describes the propaganda spewed by Western leaders and their MSM partners.
Posted by: canuk | Jun 25 2025 10:01 utc | 16
Last Friday the regime change attempt was real.
They killed a dozen nuclear scientists and decapitated the military leadership. That wasn't an attempt at peace that was a regime change operation.
It doesn't look pretty now in hindsight, because they are scrambling to save Israel from destruction and one of their proxies getting removed from the chessboard.
They were defeated and now implementing Kellogg 2.0
Israel and the US are screaming for a ceasefire because their regime change operation failed. Israel is losing a war of attrition.It is a copy and paste of their Ukraine plan for all the exact same reasons.
There clearly were other options and he had a HUGE mandate to carry out those options. As promised, he could have walked away from Ukraine and there was absolutely nothing anybody could have done about it.
He knew Iran was not building a weapon it was the easiest deal ever to be made an open goal. Again there was nothing anybody could have done about it if he had cut a deal.
Yet, he decided to go with a regime change operation instead and the world knew he was lying.
Look, peace through strength is Peace on American terms and protection of the US rules based order. It is written all over Ukraine, the Middle East, Asia and written 30 times on truth social.
This man is not boxed in by neocons. He handpicked them with his eyes wide open. Peace through strength is who this man is.
It's so obvious but people make excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse rather than just come out and say it.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 10:01 utc | 17
The Iranian parliament has approved a bill to suspend cooperation with the IAEA, according to Alireza Salimi, a representative of the Iranian parliament's presidium.
Agency inspectors will be banned from entering the country until Iran's nuclear facilities are secured.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 10:02 utc | 18
The central point of the article is trump’s preferred role.
Some of us, still hope his priority is internal and would rather avoid wars others would indulge. That view is served with a side of natural disgust for unwarranted deaths (maybe subject to Kipling’s law, 1 blonde death=10 brunettes =100 light berbers=1000 “Arabs”, etc etc)
Now for a second point I’ll go back to my comment when current cabinet was being presented. Drop Ukraine , not really engage china, ME is screwed. But winning ME is not a black and white thing, it’s easier to keep the local regimes in line if there is a bogeyman (and Israel cannot play that part whilst us/israel seem just two sides of the same coin). What would the ME look like without naughty Iran? Us would still be needed for so many wonderful expensive weapons? Crowd control is a cheaper thing.
Finally the “nothing is real everything is permitted” for a while I’ve mentioned the solution lies in the problem.
Hasan-i Sabbah Is sorely missed and with the right targets new limits would probably be enforced soon enough, lest a fida’i drop by…
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 25 2025 10:02 utc | 19
There are three main planks that Trump was elected upon:
1) No more forever wars and the adoption of a more isolationist approach to foreign policy, involving less US commitment oversees;
2) The closure of US borders to illegal immigration and the mass deportation of between 10 to 20 million illegal migrants;
3) The reindustrialisation of the United States with adequately-paid jobs for the US blue collar working class.
Whether the above priorities are shared by Trump or not, they are certainly held by the MAGA base people who supported him. I think that this is a major factor in his about turn of pushing for a ceasefire in the Israel/US war against Iran. Trump is clearly compromised by the Zionist lobby as is the entire political class of the United States. Such a war was never in the interests of the US, but certainly in the personal interest of Netanyahu who will do anything to prolong the time before his inevitable incarceration.
The West has killed another international treaty - the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and its institution, the International Atomic Energy Agency. The war against Syria had already done in the Chemical Weapons Convention and its watchdog, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).
My best guess is a split is coming, and we will end up with two of everything - an old Western-dominated institution and a new Asia-based institution. Maybe this is avoidable if the US and Europe go on their knees and ask real nicely, but don't count on it.
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 25 2025 10:05 utc | 21
IRAN arrested 700+ MOSSAD collaborators over the past 12 days
…Jackson Hinkle
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 10:10 utc | 22
Passerby | Jun 25 2025 10:05 utc | 23
Add in OSCE* which had the role of monitoring the Ukraine Donbass line of contact.
They played silly burgers, tipping off the Ukrainian army and somehow never noticing Ukrainian firings into civilian homes shops and businesses
~ * Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 10:15 utc | 23
"It leads me to conclude that both wars are part of one and the same program." The only way to make sense of Trump is to see him as he appears: an entertainer, interested solely in making his audience laugh or cry or have some reaction, so long as he can be in the spotlight. Republicans were smart enough to see this would win elections. They were right. Now the forces behind the scenes are running things. Their concerns are about the Almighty Dollar and the threat to the high perch from the new guys, Russia and China. This is all about defending the high perch and Trump, like Zelensky, is taking his orders from script-writers.
Posted by: Daniel Good | Jun 25 2025 10:17 utc | 24
https://t.me/intelslava/77126
Intel Slava
🇮🇷🇺🇳The Iranian parliament has approved a bill to suspend cooperation with the IAEA, according to Alireza Salimi, a representative of the Iranian parliament's presidium.
https://t.me/GeoPWatch/20184
Geopolitics Watch
⚡️🇵🇸🇵🇸❌🇮🇱 - The AlQassam Brigades has announced destroying a "D9 Caterpillar" Bulldozer using a "Shuath" EFP, setting it on fire for an hour.
Upon the arrival of a second "D9 Caterpillar" Bulldozer as reinforcement, it was targeted with a "Yassin-105mm" (PG-7VR) Dual-Warhead tandem.
The operation took place yesterday in "AlTawhid", "Ma'an" of southern Khan Yunis, southern Gaza
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1937694361661374915
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
Well it’s been a crazy couple of days.
Trump bombed Iran’s civilian nuclear energy facilities in an attack that CNN reports did no lasting damage, and Iran exercised extraordinary restraint with symbolic retaliatory strikes on US military bases coordinated to avoid American casualties — a move many are comparing to Iran’s non-lethal response to the US assassination of General Qassem Soleimani in 2020.
After pumping out deception and fake diplomacy for weeks in order to assist Israel’s unprovoked war on Iran and launch an unprovoked attack on his own, Trump took to social media to proudly celebrate his administration’s facilitation of a ceasefire to the war he himself needlessly started, like an arsonist giving himself a trophy for extinguishing one of his own house fires.......
.....It’s so intensely stupid that we have to keep doing this horrifying dance every few years just because there are too many war-horny freaks with way too much power inside the US empire. And every time they get closer to getting their wish. Iran is being given more and more reasons to view the US and Israel as an existential threat, more and more motive to obtain nuclear weapons, and less and less reason to negotiate anything with Washington.
These bastards keep pushing us toward something very ugly. Let’s hope people keep waking up to the depravity of Israel and the US empire before the warmakers succeed in obtaining their long-sought prize.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2025 10:20 utc | 25
Peace through strength is deciding when to end peace and deciding when to call for a ceasefire. Whenever you want.
Trump has shown clearly this is how he is going to negotiate. Peace through strength is who this man is.
Peace on American terms ( see Ukraine and Iran for details) continued protection of the US rules based order.
He is not boxed in by neocons or the deep state. Peace through strength is who this man is and what he believes in. He Hand picked his team accordingly to represent that vision.
Oh boy , everytime they do a speech in Brussels and Asia that vision is projected. Peace through strength is THE meme in every speech given.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 10:21 utc | 26
Ah Thankyou b, I approached this matter with my latest comment on the previous mega thread. I’ll repeat and extend it below this if I may. But first I totally agree about your perception of the congruence of Ukraine and ‘WasNeverReal’ entity.
Both under and over laid with fascist Nazio purpose as their prime purpose over the last century.
Yes they are two legs (stumps soon) joined at the same AngloEuropean imperialist colonialism hip!
The body too being the 5 eyes and the big muscle now of the US.
They are all part of the ancient project run by old dynastic families and their ‘worldwide’ control institutions and Rules for others not themselves.
The first post is about what is happening with the Nqrrative manufacturing from the thrown dice against Persia and the equal failure in the ukropian proxy.
The second one is about the End of Religion as their old, mouldy , but nbleivable tool of enforcing slave compliance across all their territories.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2025 10:22 utc | 27
With the midterms looming ...
Posted by b on June 25, 2025 at 8:40 UTC | Permalink
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Midterms are the least of Trump's problems.
US bond market braces for surge in Treasury supply in second halfBOSTON, June 24 (Reuters) - The bond market is bracing for up to $1 trillion of additional U.S. Treasuries supply in the second half of the year once lawmakers address the looming debt ceiling problem, possibly permanently, top rates strategists said on Tuesday.
Any new issuance will likely be focused on shorter-dated debt including bills.
With the flood of Treasuries, market participants are left to wonder: who is going to buy them all? Treasury issuance is meant to address the U.S. government's huge fiscal deficit.
President Donald Trump's sweeping tax-cut and spending bill would lead to a larger-than-expected $2.8 trillion increase in the federal deficit over the decade, despite a boost to U.S. economic output, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projected.
The U.S. Senate could vote on Friday on Republicans' tax and spending measure, said Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent on Tuesday, and he was confident the House would then pass that version.
"We are just about to go through a level shift," said Mark Cabana, head of U.S. rates strategy at BoFA Securities, during a panel discussion on Tuesday at the Money Fund Symposium in Boston. "You're going to see this big issuance clip and it's coming within the next few months. You can debate exactly when they raise the debt limit, but the X-date is coming soon."
full story ==> https://www.reuters.com/business/us-bond-market-braces-surge-treasury-supply-second-half-2025-06-24/
Recent Western geopolitical events are as insignificant as re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The debt iceberg will not be denied.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 25 2025 10:25 utc | 28
This is a repost from the prev thread.
The silence of the Lamb.
The one thing that all the talk is skirting - giving shape to the real capitulation.
The mockingbirds are flying around its shape guiding the public perception and the political discourse.
The last is why CIAJoe90 now TopCat indisputable King of the Liar media and his happy band of alley dwellers (full spectrum) is setting out the new parameters for the political and media classes starting with now main stream social media and soon to follow on all channels.
Us collective wasters must remain deluded we are still needed as consumers and minions.
It’s the textbook Orwellian change of narrative and rewriting of history.
Heck, there’s even a story about QEII’s supposed long-standing barring of ‘zio-settlers’ not being allowed to the Palace except for the very odd ‘state visits’ !
The story also of the NewYork mayoral candidates primary issue being the stepping back from the illegal apartheid entity as the main purpose of all collective western life.
Many such stories will follow. Rising from nowhere.
Lol. Let’s not be fooled.
It’s hard to avoid being gaslighted, or attracted by shiny glittery baubles.
Everyone wants to drink some water in a parched desert - where mirages show lakes and rivers.
Such mirages are now being constructed in the media because the majority refuse to see Palestinians be culled and exterminated. The protests are massive and exponential and threaten whole western governments. Cf the U.K. Home Ministers attempt to proscribe Palestine Action with use of infiltrated provocateurs.
What is it? For those who can’t fathom it , I’ll make it plain.
The lamb is no other than:
The illegal Apartheid Entity’s demise; That Project being OVER.
It will be dismantled by being decolonised of its illegal settlers.
Hence all the talk of ziofascists around the Collective Waste, where they will be refugees too.
The Zionist mask that was used to justify its creation in the neo imperilaism of West Asia to control the north south east west crossroad of the Worlds most populous lands has FAILED.
To be exactly precise - Zionism will be treated as anathema as Nazism was when that project was also defeated. The attempted genocide of the Palestinians will be remembered forever instead.
They will survive and rise and return and be hopefully less vengeful as they live upon the crossroads that always was THEIRS.
The illegal Apartheid Entity was created by the Few to control the Many.
WasNeverReal is finished.
(“Hallelujah-Amen”)
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2025 10:31 utc | 29
Peace through strength:
Last Friday they ended the peace with a regime change operation now they are calling for Kellogg 2.0 because it failed.
That's Trumps vision of peace through strength and he wants to do it whenever he likes and how he is going to negotiate.
His Tariff policy is identical without the bombs.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 10:34 utc | 30
[Ukraine]"...the way we threw their lives away in suicidal operations that had not the ghost of a chance of success was a war crime in itself."
Poor deluded souls. May they RIP
The reality of the horror of how the mic - not "we" - slaughtered the best of the Ukrainian men is beginning to dawn on the collective. There's anger rising. Righteous anger.
The ignorant common slob who was given every opportunity to rise to his calling gleefully approved the murder of those brilliant scientists with whom the nuclear negotiations were developing. That's who the US president is. And who the western leaders are. The depravity is sickening.
Nations last 250 years they say?
1776-2025
Posted by: osi not ossi | Jun 25 2025 10:42 utc | 31
Peace through strength is deciding when to end peace and deciding when to call for a ceasefire. Whenever you want.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 10:21 utc | 30
It's very interesting that against India and Israel, the ceasefires were against nuclear powers. Against Russia, there doesn't have to be a ceasefire: those demands come mostly from Europe, and Putin/ Zakharova get along well enough with President Trump that they clearly work well with him.
By the way, if non-Americans are confused about the perpetual droning whine about why President Trump can't "clear house," two points.
1) Stopping USAID, getting rid of Mike Waltz, purging thousands of people from the federal judiciary despite black-robed maniacs insisting they can override the President- yes, sorry we couldn't get that to you sooner.
2) More importantly, and most non-Americans don't actually know this, quite a few major offices require Senate confirmation. If you think a halfway sane Director of the CIA is getting past Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, John Thune, and the rest of the Congressional scumbags, you just might be too stupid to comment on any of it.
Now, if President Trump had those GBU-57s dropped in Capitol Hill and Langley, I would be all for it. But he wasn't actually given an overt mandate for that. As usual, all responsibility would have to be taken solely by the President, and none by the puling bitches who constantly insist how the job should be done.
If President Trump could manage that kind of effort, pretty much without any major institutional support except loyalists in the military, he'd be quite tempted to declare himself king.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 25 2025 10:45 utc | 33
Brian Berletic has been foremost amongst those warning us of that. Berletic's got so much right over the years, and that when few others did, that it's maybe over-optimistic to hope he's got that wrong
Which makes you over-optimistic, n'est-ce pas?
Challenging the imperial blueprint with zero ability for strategic thinking sounds like a fool's errand to me. All of the perfidy, childish deceptions, one-liners, and sucker punches add up to squat in terms of strategic benefits. These are all infantile gambits to fill that mindless, sputtering void of exceptionalism, an imperial mindset predicated only on violence.
Perhaps this is the hope you see in Mr. T...to wage shorter wars, on the cheap, so to speak.
Which, of course, is the rub...for all of these motherfuckers...
...that peace would be exponentially more profitable than war.
Posted by: john | Jun 25 2025 10:51 utc | 34
Personally I am very happy that Trump stopped this war. WW3 was possible. Even if he did not do it intentionally.
But he resisted to be dragged into a war for Israel. And even if he is a crazy guy - what would Kamala Harris have done?
Posted by: Johann von Oberndorf | Jun 25 2025 10:53 utc | 35
see the photo at the first link. and hold your nose when you do
https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/1937073473978872112
Mohamad Safa @mhdksafa
When 12 people were killed in Charlie Hebdo attacks, World Leaders thronged to Paris for a Solidarity March.
But no world leader has organised a march to protest killing more than 60,000 civilians, 20,000 children, 237 UN aid workers, and 225 journalists in Gaza.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/21103
Middle East Spectator – MES
—❗️🇺🇸/🇮🇷 CNN: 'According to a battle damage assessment by U.S. CENTCOM, neither Iran's highly enriched uranium was destroyed, nor the fortified underground sites at Fordow and Esfahan — most of Iran's centrifuges are intact, and the nuclear program has only been set back 1-2 months'
https://x.com/iwasnevrhere_/status/1937528499780165644
Thomas Keith @iwasnevrhere_
A German journalist embedded in “Israel” just confessed that Zionist authorities forbade them from filming or reporting Iranian missile impacts on military and strategic targets. Only civilian damage was permitted to be shown. She works for ARD, Germany’s national broadcaster (Channel 1).
The goal is to frame Iran as reckless, and obscure precision. Conceal the dozens of direct military hits, on airbases, command centers, and radar nodes. Amplify civilian optics to fabricate moral high ground.
If this was a defensive state, it would show you the real targets. Instead, it hides its military failures behind civilian rubble and cries victim.
A propaganda model by design, where battlefield losses are blurred, and perception becomes the last shield of a crumbling regime.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2025 10:54 utc | 36
Trump is a swindler, not a fighter. He also needs to be stroked and reassured constantly to maintain his addicted, fairy tale self image. He's obese, old, senile and hooked on Fox news. No friends. Surrounded by neocons. However...
Putin perceives a slight difference between Trump and the usual whores who occupy the White House and, being a black belt, he is wedging Trump against his own "handlers". Trump trusts Putin more than he trusts, say, little Marco, Hegseth, Musk, Tulsi, his "wife"... That's a thin thread and Putin knows it but it's what he's got and he's using it.
Cue James Taylor.
Posted by: migueljose | Jun 25 2025 10:55 utc | 37
With the assumption that those who have been getting the US involved in regime change operation after regime change operation over a very long period of time still have Iran on the list, what is lacking is a Gaza style false flag after which the outcry will be so great by the American people that the US will have no choice but to go "all in".
Trump may have revealed their plans when he made this statement:
Donald Trump orders Iran to be wiped from face of the Earth if they try to kill him
I'm of the opinion they will use an FPV drone operated and planned by the one Nation known for their assassinations of high ranking political figures.
Posted by: Spark | Jun 25 2025 10:58 utc | 38
Johann von Oberndorf @ 41
But he resisted to be dragged into a war for Israel. And even if he is a crazy guy - what would Kamala Harris have done?
I don't know, listening to her talk about the war with Iran would have been even more of a mind fuck than listening to Trump. I'm partial to surreal psychedelic experiences so for me it's a toss up. Meanwhile the deep state juggernaut marches on.
Learn to watch the water, not the boats.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 25 2025 10:59 utc | 39
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 10:02 utc | 20
This seems a really smart move, don't let anyone in while not exiting from NPT.
If the rumors of the infected damage didn't cause more than a few months of delay, and guess USA and Israel do exactly know the real damage, Iran can delay inspection for long enough to let usrael believe that thay indeed build the bomb.
Posted by: Mario | Jun 25 2025 11:03 utc | 40
"Note that the ""Iranian"" Foreign Ministry couldn't care less about Palestinians."
Why should Shia Persians much care about Arab Sunnis?
Do American Christians much care about the Christian minorities in the Middle East?
Posted by: dearieme | Jun 25 2025 11:05 utc | 41
Religion can have NO SAY over the equality of every newborn child.
The Fascist Imperialism under Anglo European nationalities that was forced to decolonise by resistance and upheaval of the invaded and oppressed native Peoples, is now repeated against the fake religious fascist masks across west Asia and Africa (as it is again in the Eurasian borderlands).
That also means the fake Islamists owned and nurtured by the ziofascist JudaeoChristian imperialists for centuries. Including the Muslim Brotherhood, Wahhabism, and Fake Sheiks. And every iteration of isis/aq etc.
The over-reactive fundamentalists days are done.
Yes also in Persia! as islamist peaceful Malaysia exemplifies, so it will be in Africa.
Yes also in the imperialist West. The JudeoChristian Catholic and Protestant Europe and waspish USA.
Only the ‘old religions’ will remain as practiced by billions continuously for Millenia - all old orthodoxies. Beliefs and rituals that give balm to humans, not excuses to conquer.
I say Iran must lose its male supremacist theocracy too, as a Turkey and others have to a large extent. As must the neo-fascist neo-Hinduism of Modi and co. There can be no nation that represents a ‘religion’ and hence its dysfunctional politics.
For example in Iran, scientists and engineers are females.
We /they can’t have boorish male superiority anymore.
Neither can we have the sexualised fetishising slavery of ‘secular western’ females anymore.
But - Careful world !
The colonial nations are who will get the dregs and some super rich of the fascists of Wasrael and Ukropia. There’s tens of millions between both dysfunctional fascist proxies.
Yes Argentine is made ready, as is Oz and it’s far lands.
Maybe a whole US new state will be carved out.
Arch ziofascist Money King Carey already makes Canukia ready for both sets!
I doubt many will want to come to live and remain in ‘old Europea’ once they see the now grass roots multi ethic peoples living happily together.
Yes we do ! regardless of the fake scare mongering, dog whistle racism being attempted by the Fascists.
The top dogs will always shapeshift wherever they always have - elites and aristocracies of AngloEuropean nations and satraps. Their self printed riches and war industries to hide behind.
They will attempt to carry on the Dream - To someday again raise proxies to win that greates of prizes. Their dynastic imperative.
So the stage is being set for the final Acts to dismantle both abominations, as part of the (not quite yet unconditional- but don’t push your luck) surrender terms.
There are actual grown idiots who believe in the eschatological sky fairy nonsense of annihilation of the World and humanity. The bunker mental cases. The survivalists. The born againers!
Some will try to burn the whole place down, being in power or near deadly weapons of mass destruction. The Jack D Rippers etc of Dr Strangelove (a cautionary tale that foretold where we are yet again).
They who deludedly believe in their super human superiority and god given ‘rights’.
For them the end of the ugly ultra violent entity, so they can go meet their ‘Maker’; Or their ‘Race’ as the Nazi khokols - inevitably leads them to the same dead end of evolution.
That is - they HAVE to be ‘culled’ - I don’t mean physically exterminated (as they intend to do with their supposed ‘enemies’). I mean restrained/put away, in a safe place from where they can do no harm for the remainder of their lives.
Their children of course must be removed to keep safe from their idiot beliefs. To break the chain forever.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2025 11:08 utc | 42
Posted by: too scents | Jun 25 2025 10:25 utc | 32
And just like that you believe Reuters the Ghost of Kiev without giving it a second thought.
Dearie me.
Reuters are truth tellers all of sudden because they have given your gold standard, fixed exchange rate type thinking a hard on.
C'mon man it's Reuters for fuck sake.
1. With the flood of Treasuries, market participants are left to wonder: who is going to buy them all?
Only complete idiots are asking that because it is A typical Reuters propaganda.
Answer : The primary dealers that's their job by law. Or the government will stick them on their balance sheet and simply buy them in the secondary market.
Next....
2. Treasury issuance is meant to address the U.S. government's huge fiscal deficit.
Pure Rueters propaganda based on the old gold standard, fixed exchange rate monetary system.
The absolute truth is the opposite - The government deficit gives the private sector the $'s to buy the treasuries.
Next....
3. President Donald Trump's sweeping tax-cut and spending bill would lead to a larger-than-expected $2.8 trillion increase in the federal deficit over the decade,
Reuturs are only looking at the liability side of the balance sheet. When you look at the asset side of the balance because every balance sheet has two parts. Assets and liabilities.
Free from Reuters propaganda it sounds like this ...
President Donald Trump's sweeping tax-cut and spending bill would lead to a larger-than-expected $2.8 trillion increase in the US private sector surplus over the decade.
Doesn't sound so terrifying now does it ? When you remove the Orwellian word " deficit " a disco light for children to play with.
Next ....
4. You're going to see this big issuance clip and it's coming within the next few months. You can debate exactly when they raise the debt limit,
Well no shit Sherlock give that propagandist a big cigar. Of course they are. They need to issue treasuries to drain the reserves because they have been under the debt ceiling for ages now.
That's what government borrowing is - A reserve drain.
Repeat after me - government borrowing is a reserve drain operation after government spending prints reserves.
I can't believe too scents you suddenly take Reuters as Gospal. After the decades of propaganda they produce. Just because you thought they were telling the truth this time because it agreed with your gold standard , fixed exchange rate analysis.
Unbelievable !!!!!!
I tell you what too scents I'm going to save this conversion in my bookmarks. So both of us can revisit it in 5 years time and show it was a nothingburger. When America is still not bankrupt and still not swirling down a debt hole.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 11:08 utc | 43
Fuck Trump, this is front page news:
Zohran Kwame Mamdani
@ZohranKMamdani
I'm proud I don't have Andrew Cuomo's record of corruption, scandal and disgrace.
And the name is M-A-M-D-A-N-I.
https://x.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/1933306217906229598
Posted by: Menz | Jun 25 2025 11:09 utc | 44
When America is still not bankrupt and still not swirling down a debt hole.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 11:08 utc | 50
Yup. "If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem."
36 trillion dollars means all the banksters will be flayed alive if they let it crash.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 25 2025 11:13 utc | 45
https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/1937073473978872112
Mohamad Safa @mhdksafa
When 12 people were killed in Charlie Hebdo attacks, World Leaders thronged to Paris for a Solidarity March.
But no world leader has organised a march to protest killing more than 60,000 civilians, 20,000 children, 237 UN aid workers, and 225 journalists in Gaza.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 25 2025 10:54 utc | 43
I would add to this excellent example the Azov Butchers theatrical called Bucha. The pilgrimages from EU were constant. Their choreography was cheaper thank Zelensky's best suit to visit DC Donnie to piss him off.
Regarding Donnie getting elected by Americans. The working class in the US is fed up with wars. Donnie was saying the right things to get them to elect him. Then when he did, he dropped them like that cheap shirt Zelensky wore to see him.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 25 2025 11:14 utc | 46
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 25 2025 10:05 utc | 23It's already starting, outside of high politics: 2024 World Friendship Games in sports, 2025 Intervision as a replacement for European Song Contest.My best guess is a split is coming, and we will end up with two of everything - an old Western-dominated institution and a new Asia-based institution.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 25 2025 11:17 utc | 47
It's already starting, outside of high politics: 2024 World Friendship Games in sports, 2025 Intervision as a replacement for European Song Contest.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 25 2025 11:17 utc | 55
That's nice. I'd rather be poisoned than pay attention to Eurovision, but what were the World Friendship Games like? I might try to attend the next one.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jun 25 2025 11:20 utc | 48
I love how people find these fragments.
Here's Donnie on June 18, 2025
"We are not looking for a truce with Iran. We only want a complete and absolute victory!"
https://x.com/SprinterObserve/status/1937824867019362736
Donnie lives in a Truman Show.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 25 2025 11:22 utc | 49
This conflict was launched because of internal and external politics of the 3 belligerents.
Bibi was trying to rally internal oppositions after he had to do huge concessions to keep the power. He also tried to victimize his country for the rest of the World (like with 10/07) facing an external aggression (he provoked).
Trump has a lot of internal problems with "the Democrats" attempting a "colored revolution" and the house not thrilled by the BBB. Externally, he also failed on the tariff war and on ending project 404 with a favorable outcome for the US. He green-lighted Bibi's "Friday the 13th) adventure.
Iran was perceived by the two former as an internally weak state and the ideal candidate for a short and victorious intervention. Diplomatic and international support of the Islamic republic was also perceived as weak.
Last point is the most crucial : it was a perception. In fact more an illusion than a perception that was mostly build on a big pack of lies and false assumptions.
On the pure warfare side of thing , let's begin a (too) early BDA with Iran first:
- Iran was able to inflict much more damages and maintain much more response capacity than anticipated.
- They appears to have much more room/capabilities to patch internal intrusion problems and Israeli/US strike interception capability and with more international support to do so than previously assessed.
- The country critical infrastructures seems not heavily impacted ... bombing National TV and an unfinished nuclear program won't fundamentally change everyday life.
- Iran true nuclear weapon (for it's dissuasion effect) seems to still be very effective : the moment problems were reported in Hormuz strait, everybody agreed on halting the escalation.
On the Israeli side, the situation seems more problematic:
- Own strike capability of IOF have shown some limits very quickly with US assistance on air-refueling and AAD massively involved on day 2.
- International support have been limited to the usual NATO suspects and patching interception capability seems limited at best with some missile shortage , an impossibly to deal enough damages to a much larger country and the Mossad disrupting capabilities inside Iran impaired for a long time at best.
- The infrastructures have being impacted for long enough to disrupt everyday life (ports-refineries-electricity).
On both side : interception and purely defensive warfare was the big flow and decapitation strikes were a thing with Israel targeting people and Iran targeting infrastructure.
For me, the biggest "epiphany" of this conflict was learning about the bombing of IIRB, I learned this thing existed and that Iran was aware of that danger. Speaking about WMD programs, the most dangerous of the two might not have been the one CNN and MSM pretended.
Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 25 2025 11:26 utc | 50
Posted by: too scents | Jun 25 2025 10:25 utc | 32
I'm still pondering your prediction of a complete collapse a major depression since the last quarter of 2020. It was going to happen in 2021. Based on the exact same gold standard, fixed exchange rate type beliefs.
I honestly think it is time you took a good long hard look in a mirror too scents and realise it is your thinking that is wrong.
Don't you ?
We'll address that again together in 2030 when the US still isn't bankrupt or swirling down a debt drain. Address why it never comes true.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 11:29 utc | 51
English outsider:
"The mission is to rescue the US from the state of near terminal decline it's got itself into. Forever wars are in the way of that."
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Not sure why this comment is being reposted by B.
When this comment was first posted, I stumbled over the last sentence. Because it is awkwardly written, I had to reread to be sure of the sense. At first I thought it was "Forever wars are the way to that."
At least one commenter also noticed this sentence and its sentiment, and challenged it.
At this point I certainly don't think that Trump was "left with a mess." I think on some level Trump loves this mess, because it is the stage on which he thinks he can work his magic of rearranging things according to his own ideas. "Peace" is part of the staging.
The idea of the Iranians actually standing for something real and solid and not backing down does not seem to have occurred to him. That they might (my speculation) draw on their centuries of maneuvering in a complex region, all of whose cultures they have deeply influenced, in order to develop their own survival strategies on the 21st-century chessboard also may not have occurred to him.
Ivanka and Jared can waltz into Albania and buy an island that is part of a nature reserve and turn that island into an exclusive resort where local Albanians cannot freely enter. Trump may plan to do this in Gaza. But I doubt that he can do any such thing in Iran.
Posted by: Jane | Jun 25 2025 11:31 utc | 52
Cheap hit and run hoodlums! I’d shoot them on sight.
‘ Sprinter Observer
@SprinterObserve
1h
US Vice President J.D. Vance has portrayed US strikes on Iran as part of a "new foreign policy doctrine," Politico reports.
“What I call the Trump Doctrine is quite simple:
First, you clearly formulate the interests of the United States, in this case it is preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
Secondly, you are trying to solve this problem through diplomatic means.
And third, when you can't resolve it diplomatically, you use military force and then get out of there before it becomes a protracted conflict."
Jun 25, 2025 · 10:34 AM UTC ‘
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2025 11:43 utc | 53
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2025 11:43 utc | 62
New? This make me spit my wine. 😂😂😂
Posted by: Mario | Jun 25 2025 11:46 utc | 54
Posted by: Jane | Jun 25 2025 11:31 utc | 61
Ivanka and Jared can waltz into Albania and buy an island that is part of a nature reserve and turn that island into an exclusive resort where local Albanians cannot freely enter. Trump may plan to do this in Gaza
Yeah, just as soon as they finish the massive new US embassy in Beirut. 43 acres, second largest in the world(after Bagdad). Big enough to run the whole country...which of course is what they plan to do.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://lb.usembassy.gov/new-embassy-beirut-compound/&ved=2ahUKEwilrKPfvYyOAxVJNVkFHRN-NoUQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2eqx8wM4Fwlebh4t1xfRs5">https://lb.usembassy.gov/new-embassy-beirut-compound/&ved=2ahUKEwilrKPfvYyOAxVJNVkFHRN-NoUQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2eqx8wM4Fwlebh4t1xfRs5">https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://lb.usembassy.gov/new-embassy-beirut-compound/&ved=2ahUKEwilrKPfvYyOAxVJNVkFHRN-NoUQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2eqx8wM4Fwlebh4t1xfRs5
Posted by: john | Jun 25 2025 11:47 utc | 55
Re: "rules-based international order"
Simplicius calls it the "rules-based odour"
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israel-buckles-as-iran-war-shifts
A better name might be rules-based stench.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 25 2025 11:47 utc | 56
One has to be very clever to explain away the bizarre behavior as very clever 3D chess. Who of significance is he fooling?
"What we sell at Trump University is a feeling."
Posted by: chunga | Jun 25 2025 11:50 utc | 57
re 64
Sorry 'bout my formatting...
https://lb.usembassy.gov/new-embassy-beirut-compound/
Posted by: john | Jun 25 2025 11:53 utc | 58
Economic simpletons abound, especially Sun of A. He doesn't realize that the US system automatically concentrates wealth into fewer and fewer hand. Right now, the top 1% own 30% of all the assets in the US, and that share is increasing. His nonsensical attitude that deficits don't matter because the private sector absorbs the cash completely ignores that that cash is not distributed equitably, but in a way that seriously distorts society. Anyone who's seen pictures of big cities in the US knows exactly what I mean. Uber rich daintily stepping around passed out drug addicts on the sidewalk on the rare occasions where their cars aren't whisked into underground entrances where such riff-raff can't be seen.
Similarly, the arguments against Trump and the people around him make me wonder what kind of world the posters here live in. Do they think people in Washington wear armbands saying "Deep State" or "MAGA", and all Trump has to do is choose the right ones? We've all seen how duplicitous and underhanded Israel is, even with their so-called 'friends'. Does it not occur to anyone else here that Washington is full of snakes, pretending to be on Trump's team, but trying to sabotage him?
The most appropriate analogy right now is the labours of Hercules, except that Trump has to do them all at once. Cleaning out the Augean stables is clearly a metaphor for cleaning out Washington; slaying the Hydra a metaphor for eliminating the Deep State. And Trump is still a man, and a deeply flawed one at that; he is no Hercules.
That he is making any headway against the enormous reactionary forces stacked against him is a minor miracle. We just came through four years of an absolute puppet in the White House, and we saw what happened - genocide in Gaza, undeclared war against Russia in Ukraine. Trump is trying to stop both these things, and all he gets from most of the barflies is stick.
Trump is not perfect. He is not 'Orange Jesus'. He makes mistakes. However, he is a damn sight better than:
Carney
Macron
Merz
Starmer
Rutte
Van Der Leyden
and any of the other US contenders.
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 25 2025 12:05 utc | 59
simp is for the simple folk.
just keep drinking that orange kool-aid yall. it's not a cult. it's just, it's just "trust the plan" lmfao . left over q cult.
always believing the propaganda despite screaming against it, and how others are so brain dead, meanwhile searching the headlines for anything that will feed their confirmation biases.
sorry folks, Trump is an Actor. LITERALLY. that's where he made his money. oh, and of course bankruptcies. Never forget the bankruptcy side of Trump. From financial bankruptcy to moral bankruptcy. JUST LIKE MURICA!
That's your boy! oh. and where did the "Don" get his start? Con-struction deals in NY. aka A MOB RUN INDUSTRY. The Don is born and raised ganster.
the only real difference between The Don and Biden. Don can still read the teleprompter!
yall are aware that 30 years ago Trump modeling was known for ruthlessly abductions of underage eastern European women . . . into, Epstain's business!
but but, he only rode the lolita express 7 times!
LMFAO get a grip to anyone still sipping on the orange kool-aid.
it's beyond tainted, it's straight poison!
Trump secured a ceasefire and doesn't want regime change.
simultaneously hosting the X prince of Persia, WHO IS CALLING FOR REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN, AND JUST LAUNCHED A STAR LINK NUMBER FOR ALL IRANIANS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE.
oh no, it's just a 12 day war, and it's completely over now!
he deserves a peace prize!
this world is truly lost.
God / Allah please help us all
Posted by: CryptoAlchemist | Jun 25 2025 12:07 utc | 60
The Democrats are deeply unpopular. I don't see them winning in the midterms. They have the same agenda after all
Posted by: Timur | Jun 25 2025 12:09 utc | 61
Glorious MAGA. Knock the source all you want. Trump is a disaster.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5366922-trump-data-sharing-privacy-surveillance/
MAGAt losers DGAF about the 4A.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 25 2025 12:11 utc | 62
It leads me to conclude that both wars are part of one and the same program. But I doubt that Trump has the smarts to run it like this.
no s--- sherlock is this a new theory : )
you have to go back to the land of the B I S bank and the The First Zionist Congress the inaugural congress of the Zionist Organization (ZO) held in the Stadtcasino in the city of Basel on August 29–31, 1897.
clearly the tale is much older as in venice merchants moving the crime syndicate to the empire of the city of london 1000 years ago and donte get me started on the dutch..
slowly slowly catchy monkey...
try to find the minutes from the first zio congress. very illuminating
Posted by: dan | Jun 25 2025 12:13 utc | 63
Very difficult to understand President Trump without having the level of access to inside information like intelligence agencies. He is a big fan of WWF. So it is hard to decipher which is real and which is bluff from outside. Iran Israrel was real clash but rest wwf stuff.
Feel it is also a clash between east and west. When the dust settle Turkey will be the demarcation line with no western influence beyond. Also battle between usd and brics/yuan winning of which will shift power to east.
Strategically Israel went all out and played all their cards except nuclear. Getting US involved not easy. US aware of the risks.
Feel another winner is NKorea with their nuclear tech and even ready made bombs which could be the most sought after export.
After Oct 7 US began regular arms shipments to Israel. Except for one or two pauses for PR those continue.
They were in preparation for Lebanon, Syria and Iran but mostly Iran.
This ceasefire is just to re-arm. Trump will attempt to regime change Iran by proxy
Posted by: ZT | Jun 25 2025 12:28 utc | 65
It wasn't the only way. The truth is he didn't even attempt it. The moment you saw who he handpicked to have around him everybody knew it was a grift.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 9:38 utc | 12
======================
Same as with Obama.
Can we rely on Massie?
Can he pull together a new party?
Does he want to?
Hope springs eternal.
Posted by: Jane | Jun 25 2025 12:36 utc | 66
@ Posted by: john | Jun 25 2025 11:47 utc | 64
“.,,the massive new US embassy in Beirut. 43 acres, second largest in the world…Big enough to run the whole country...”
Not a country - the whole of The Levant, Syria , Iran and all of West Asia. The neo Vatican that would collect taxes forever from the crossroads of the world.
But you know what will happen to it?
Pretty darn soon if they insist on believing their lucky punks?
Here’s a clue :
‘ Sprinter Observer
@SprinterObserve
5h
Military Watch: Serial production of "Oresnik" will be a turning point
ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T CARRY A-BOMBS, IT CAUSED "SIGNIFICANT CONCERN IN MANY WESTERN COUNTRIES"
The introduction into serial production and armament of the new Oreshnik missile system will be a milestone, the American Military Watch reported.
"This becomes a turning point for Russia's ballistic missile forces, which previously consisted exclusively of the short-range Iskander-M system and intercontinental-range systems like the Sarmat," he said.
Military Watch recalled that "Oreshnik" - after it was first used last year (hitting the Yuzhmash military factory near Dnipropetrovsk) - caused "significant concern in many Western countries."
Vladimir Putin said at the time that "Oreshnik" - in the event of the massive use of these missiles in a single strike - their power would be comparable to the power of nuclear weapons.
"Oresnik" is not a weapon of mass destruction because it is very precise and does not carry a nuclear charge.
Jun 25, 2025 · 7:26 AM UTC ‘
A pretty looking missile there if that really is an oreshnik.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2025 12:37 utc | 67
If the rumors of the infected damage didn't cause more than a few months of delay, and guess USA and Israel do exactly know the real damage, Iran can delay inspection for long enough to let usrael believe that thay indeed build the bomb.
Posted by: Mario | Jun 25 2025 11:03 utc | 47
Iran no longer needs to build a bomb. As the saying goes "ask and ye shall recieve". Young Kim sounds quite charitable in these matters.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 12:37 utc | 68
"Dirty war", incompetent war, sacrificial war, both in the Middle East and in Ukraine, that's the mess Trump's been left with."
And what has Trump done to try and abate these wars? He's bombed Iran and turned a blind eye to genocide in Gaza - oh he's made noises on stopping the conflict between Russia and Ukraine/Nato - but no progress has been made on that either.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2025 12:39 utc | 69
@b Agreed. Trump is a very weak mafia boss without any moral compass. He does like Zelensky did at the beginning of thd SMO and he tells about his mood and his next move. Both Trump and Zelensky are figures for the media and their purpose is to rally the political class.
Israel has exposed serious weaknesses within Iran's defense and security apparatus and the US will work hard to exploit those to achieve the regime change they are tasked to do in Iran. This is not Trump taming and controlling the US brass but quite the opposite.
Posted by: Richard L | Jun 25 2025 12:41 utc | 70
We'll address that again together in 2030 when the US still isn't bankrupt or swirling down a debt drain. Address why it never comes true.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 25 2025 11:29 utc | 60
The reason the US does not collapse under the weight of its debt is the US military.
Here is a simple example:
The US buys goods from say China and China buys oil from the Saudis and the Saudis fund the US debt.
This happens not because the Saudis want to save in dollars. It happens because the Saudis have a gun to their head that forces them to comply. The Saudis can see what happened to Libya, Iraq, Iran, Syria etc when those countries did not play ball with the US debt machine.
The Saudis don't want to save in dollars. If they wanted to save they could just keep their oil in the ground and sell as they needed funds at a much higher price and lower volume. But they don't because to do so would be putting a bullseye on their backs for the US war machine to target.
Posted by: jinn | Jun 25 2025 12:42 utc | 71
Biden was and is a Zionist ideologue and given his cognitive dissonance could not have been “running the show as we say”. Especially since American governance is mostly theater now. So I believe his neocon handlers - Blinken and Sullivan- were the face of the cabal running the show. Kamala Harris would have been their puppet too. She even said there was nothing she would have done differently than Biden. To do otherwise gets you killed as per the JFK assassination.
No one, not even his most MAGA-identifying base, believed anything Trump said on the campaign trail. It was enough for them that he kept owning the libs. What we are seeing now is his unfettered public display of vicious power that dovetails very neatly into the neocon agenda. I see him as an 13 yr old playing video game that uses real weapons and kills real people. That’s all it is to him. Makes him look all powerful. See how quickly he publicly dismissed Tulsi Gabbard when she advised our own intelligence saw no immediate nuclear threat from Iran when the neocons decided to join the Israelis in bombing Iran.
The only campaign promise he’s embraced is mass deportation because it’s against the poor and powerless. He has handed it off to Jewish Nazi Stephen Miller who truly is the hater he was reported to be, and family dog/ goat killer/fake plump lips Kristi Noam to run it. Miller wields the real power and Noam provides the show by occasionally dressing up and attending public raids.
Posted by: Sick and tired | Jun 25 2025 12:51 utc | 72
Canada's Liberal Government Gives Full-Throated Support To US Imperialism's War On Iran
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/06/pkkm-j25.html
"...Within hours of the US attacking Iran's civil nuclear facilities last Saturday with the most powerful non-nuclear bombs ever deployed, Prime Minister Mark Carney issued a statement on X welcoming the attack and America's entry into this illegal war of aggression Israel launched against Iran on the night of June 12..."
An excellent overview of bankster Carney's militarist program for Canada.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 25 2025 12:53 utc | 73
Hard to know which is more lethal and mind destroying CDS or TDS.
TDS is marked by a bind unthinking hatred that is also directed toward anyone who does not share that hatred.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 12:53 utc | 74
Canada's Liberal Government Gives Full-Throated Support to US Imperialism's War on Iran
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/06/25/pkkm-j25.html
bad link corrected from above
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 25 2025 13:01 utc | 75
Expect far more cuts to community services, right across Europe/Britain – and possibly cuts to vital services.
“NATO allies have agreed to a new defense spending target of 5% of GDP by 2035, as announced during the summit in The Hague.
NATO members are raising defense spending targets: from the current 2% of GDP to 3.5% for core military needs like weapons and equipment, plus an extra 1.5% for broader security measures.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2025 13:05 utc | 76
“.,,the massive new US embassy in Beirut. 43 acres, second largest in the world…Big enough to run the whole country...”
Not a country - the whole of The Levant, Syria , Iran and all of West Asia. The neo Vatican that would collect taxes forever from the crossroads of the world.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 25 2025 12:37 utc | 82
The unsinkable aircraft carrier for controlling the oil. On an aircraft carrier, I think that bit would be called the island. I guess the will be a number of admirals siting in the bridge.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 13:06 utc | 77
Is there a another attack on Iran by the USA on the cards?
"Israeli sources to ABC News say the results of the attack on the Fordow facility are “not good at all.
Iran should just say all nuclear sites were destroyed so the israel/US has no pretext for anymore attacks"
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2025 13:07 utc | 78
Very interesting article by English Outsider. I didn't catch that in the comments so it is good it was lifted. It is clear that the patterns EO points to tell a sinister story about who is doing the planning.
I do agree with b that Trump can not be trusted at all.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 25 2025 13:08 utc | 79
I think I've found the answer to my (93) comment.
"Trump says the US will strike Iran again if it resumes its nuclear program."
"NBC News: The Israeli army is suffering from a shortage of some major weapons" Cue Trump and Starmer to the rescue at their own citizens expense.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2025 13:10 utc | 80
Addendum to my previous post.
I forgot to add that I am truly grateful to B for this site and to all the posters who (over the many years) have taught me so much. So, again, good-bye, and be well and thank all of you for the many contributions and having widened my world (view).
Dirty war was always the plan. It is not about winning, it is about making it hard for the opponents and eventual regime change. This goes back to the bombing campaign of WWII where the German citizens were supposed to crack the shits and overthrow the Nazis, by themselves.
Ukraine were never expected to win, but to be overrun by Russia who would then dragged down by continuous terrorist attacks, which would result in an angry population that would rise up and change the regime.
It's all they've got but the rest of the world now know this and not so keen to go down this path.
If you see terrorist attacks anywhere, you can pretty much assume that it is the West sowing problems for governments they don't like.
Posted by: ZimZum | Jun 25 2025 13:16 utc | 82
An excellent overview of bankster Carney's militarist program for Canada.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 25 2025 12:53 utc | 88
Wait a sec, wasn't this butt-clown's country just ridiculed by Trump as the "51st state" and the butt-clown derided as "Governor?"
I guess they have short memories up in the Great White North!
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 25 2025 13:17 utc | 83
DunGroanin @ 33
I agree with you that Israel is finished
We have only the sketchiest information on how severely Israel was damaged by Iranian missiles. The censor is very much in control. Even Israelis leaving the country are not good sources of information. It will be some time before we know much with confidence.
Some of the bomb damage photos look like the hypersonics were doing Oreshnik level damage. And we still have no solid info on what an Oreshnik does. Kept secret. Some of the bomb damage photos look like AI. Hard to know. We do know Israel lost the use of the three largest power plants, lost use of all three seaports, lost refineries, lost airports. Iran can do more of same at will, Israeli/US missile defenses ain't shit.
They did not lose the widely held belief that Israel is invincible. Not where I live. Everyone I know still thinks Trump and Netanyahu won a massive victory here. My opinion is there is no possible return to the status quo ante and cognitive dissonance is going to be massive.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 25 2025 13:19 utc | 84
Meleuca 24 - If the Iranians have arrested 700+ Mossad agents and collaborators then the firing squads in Tehran will be very busy in upcoming days..........no one will get quarter this time !
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 25 2025 13:21 utc | 85
Ghost of Zanon | Jun 25 2025 13:17 utc | 98
Carney is a British Empire man who was parachuted in to run the Canadian colony.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 13:24 utc | 86
My response to Peter AU1 in the last thread fits better here.
By the way, link to Peter AU1's post is here.
Peter AU1 @781: "This joint Kabuki theater we have just watched - Kabuki/choreographed because the nationalist faction in the US stay in contack with all other players on the chessboard."
Many people, even some of the supposedly intelligent posters here, miss this dynamic completely: the fact that it is a dynamic. In these kinds of periods where shit is going down at a rapid pace, both globally and domestically in the US, all of the pieces on the chessboard are in motion at the same time. It isn't a turn-based game in these periods of history. The dembots with TDS brain damage reveal the sharp limitations of their comprehension and their blindness in all things related to Trump when they make silly arguments like "Trump should have just done X, Y and Z and none of this would have happened!", which is as infantile as suggesting the king should just teleport across the board with some pawns through constantly shifting layered defense and checkmate the opposition. "See? If you put the king here and some pawns here and here, then it's mate!" without addressing how to get the pieces there. Given the disposition of forces on the Grand Chessboard, Trump had no leverage to directly stop the zionist attack on Iran and its subsequent involvement of the US, but the approach he took, while appearing chaotic and capricious, successfully limited US direct involvement and forced the zionists to back off, at least for the time being. Considering how dynamic the global arrangement of influences are, "for the time being" is the best one can hope for.
This achievement by Trump is even more impressive when one considers the fact that the chessmen ostensibly on his own side on the Grand Chessboard (imperial Establishment and its mass media) are actively and aggressively sabotaging Trump's objectives as they appear on the surface. This is why Trump has to thrown them off with loud noises about how big and beautiful his bombs are and other such head-fakes. It puts the Establishment in the position of opposing its own objectives in order to fight Trump.
It is impressive for someone to spot these patterns in what to others just looks like noise.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 25 2025 13:27 utc | 87
If the Iranians have arrested 700+ Mossad agents and collaborators then the firing squads in Tehran will be very busy in upcoming days..........no one will get quarter this time !
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 25 2025 13:21 utc | 100
I think early on in the attack, the supreme leader ordered that all spies caught be executed. Mandatory death sentence.... will at least deter many in the future.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 13:28 utc | 88
@ Maria | Jun 25 2025 13:14 utc:
So tell us again why you're leaving, Maria? I recall your remarks to the effect that the mud-slinging and childish one-upsmanship was an irritant.
You surely must realize, after having been here for years, that the churlish behavior fills in the "dead spots" when there's nothing of great significance occurring. When things heat up, the people with the knowledge and expository skills emerge, and MoA shines (yet) again.
With that in mind, why are you leaving now? Things are coming to a head; the grinding tectonic plates have shifted greatly in just the last few days, and there's surely a great deal more to come in short order.
I find MoA to be one of the very best ruff-n-tumble intellectual slug-fests available, and I find it really easy to scroll past the rubbish.
B: Keep it going. You're doing yeoman's service. Much appreciated.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 25 2025 13:31 utc | 89
Considering how the Western prostitute press is dumbing down on Fordow not being "completely destroyed", we can be sure that this ceasefire won't last too much.
Israel will also have a respite to re-supply with interceptors.
I want to believe that Iran's military industry works overtime to make sure that they re-stock their ballistic missiles in the next month or so. They might need them sooner than they think. As a matter of fact, maybe they should work in 3 shifts every day like the Russians are doing now to re-arm. It's their only option until they can get some proper fighters or decent AD (which they clearly don't have that much at the moment).
And hopefully, this time .. be a little better prepared so you don't lose your entire high command in the first night.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 25 2025 13:32 utc | 90
Both b and English Outsider do not take into account political realities for Trump.
I repeat again: Trump has a clear focus and priority on his domestic agenda, but that the neocons have more than enough leverage in the US Senate, to require their cooperation for said domestic agenda to be enacted.
This is not just Senate confirmations (today's status: 83 confirmed, 253 awaiting confirmation), but also passing the budget as well as not specifically obstructing or opposing Trump's Executive Orders and other actions.
With Israel, add in additional leverage via AIPAC.
And again: I repeat that I believe Mercouris, Crooke, Christoforou and others were 100% wrong in thinking that Trump originated and advocated for the attack on Iran.
My view is that Trump was presented both with bargains from the Senate neocons and AIPAC/Israel and with a magical proposal that would "resolve" the Iran problem - and he agreed to let Israel take a shot.
When that failed - and the CIA/Mossad/IDF/Pentagon/neocon plan was shown to be the bullshit that it is, Trump acted to end the affair with precisely what I posited as a possible exit path: an attack which does no damage, but allowed Trump to declare victory and go home.
This incident clearly demonstrates that Trump is indeed not a warmonger, is not a neocon fellow traveller nor is their finger puppet, but is equally neither omnipowerful nor a dove as some hoped he would be.Trump is not fighting the neocons per se - the situation is more like a frenemy or a troublesome faction within Trump's big tent political movement.
Yes, the criticisms about US faithlessness are valid.
Equally the notes that the NPT is damaged by this incident.
But neither is new: the NPT's notable exceptions for Israel (and India and Pakistan and North Korea) and Ukraine/Zaporozhie nonsense have already destroyed the credibility of the NPT and the IAEA. Since the NPT was enacted, many nations have gained nuclear arms capability. Couple this with the multi-decadal decline of US cooperation with Russia in this regard - the NPT is a dead letter already.
As for US agreement incapability: this is already well documented and nothing new.
I would also note the very interesting almost complete lack of reaction from both commodity and financial markets. A shooting war between Israel and Iran only raised oil prices by $10 a barrel? No 1000 point drops in the Dow?
Seems like nobody was taking the possibility of a real, long lasting conflict between Israel and Iran seriously.
Posted by: c1ue | Jun 25 2025 13:32 utc | 91
Ship tracker live AIS:
Sailboat convoy - quiet, a couple returning from cyprus.
Haifa - some movement out of Port, anchorage filling up
Ashdod - some movement out of port, anchorage emptying
Suez Approaches - busy normal
Hormuz - busy normal
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:56.6/centery:25.6/zoom:6
Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2025 13:36 utc | 92
William Gruff | Jun 25 2025 13:27 utc | 102
Re Trump and the faction behind him.
If you are a business man and want something built, some job done, you employ a contactor that you belive has the capabilities to do the job. I see Trump as te contractor, very much believing in his work, so I study him so see how he intends to accomplish this.
The business man employing the contractor - the faction where the polices are made.
So I try to ascertain the actual policies along with how the contractor will enact these policies.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 13:39 utc | 93
Peter [email protected] is a Canadian, he doesn't have to parachute anywhere, all Canadians party leaders are hand picked.....no safety net required.....same boss signs off on their grift packages...
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 25 2025 13:42 utc | 94
If the Iranians have arrested 700+ Mossad agents and collaborators then the firing squads in Tehran will be very busy in upcoming days..........no one will get quarter this time !
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 25 2025 13:21 utc | 100
I think early on in the attack, the supreme leader ordered that all spies caught be executed. Mandatory death sentence.... will at least deter many in the future.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 13:28 utc | 103
Wasn’t there an amnesty for those that turned themselves in? And news about poor guys doing some limited shit for a couple hundred dollars?
No shooting squads for those that turned themselves in…
Nor for the others, iit’s the gallows , hang till you die
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 25 2025 13:43 utc | 95
"... The assassinations in the then self-declared republics and the later assassinations in Russia itself are now admitted even in the Western press to have been run out of bases set up by the West for that purpose from 2014 on. Run by "our babies" as they were termed. Those assassinations mirrored by the assassinations in the Middle East, also now openly admitted..." [english outsider]
"... I do agree with b that Trump can not be trusted at all."
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 25 2025 13:08 utc | 94
Forgive me for just grabbing onto two bits of sanity-- the first from b's Wednesday headliner post today, and the second from Norwegian commenting above. I will add that I've given Trump lots of benefit of the doubt until the last deadly attack by Israel on Iran while supposedly negotiations were underway. Trump was all over these multiple very serious assassinations and murders of innocents. It seems many would like us to accept these atrocities as the new normal. This I cannot do.
Trump has deliberately misled large groups of his own people. Sure, in his convoluted mind, it is all for our own good. It is not.
A wise teacher told me long ago the end does not justify the means. The present example Trump represents is a difference in kind between what state leadership ought to be and what it now is in the US. We should not be confused. English Outsider should not be confused. Trump himself has had to live with being the assassin of a great Iranian leader intent on peace, which serious crime determined him to vindicate that role in future 'dealings' with the world. Iran didn't need to punish him; he punishes himself.
You see what trying to make this 'new normal' be accomplished has done to Trump. Don't let it be done to you. Back in Bush Jr. days there was a website: 'Not in My Name.'
Not in Our Name!
Posted by: juliania | Jun 25 2025 13:44 utc | 96
"obliterated" pencil:
https://x.com/MarvinGard68632/status/1937851267419685013
Posted by: MarvinGardens | Jun 25 2025 13:44 utc | 97
@William Gruff | Jun 25 2025 13:27 utc:
William: one of your better posts, and there's a lot of good ones to choose from.
Politics is chaotic, and the political game-board in the U.S. is rife with un-accountable and yet very powerful players. The fact that Trump attempted to de-fang AID, reduced support for Ukraine, didn't meaningfully attack Iran ... should at least cause some reflection on the part of the Bar.
Look how hard Putin had to struggle to attain some measure of control over the chaotic situation in Russia. Took him nearly 30 years. Marginalizing a perfect forest of obstructive entities across the entire government and political establishment here in the U.S. is a herculean job.
No, I don't like Trump. But the U.S. political landscape is so very poisonous, so entrenched, so captured by people and forces _not_ visible to most Americans. It's wondrous that Trump is still standing. He most definitely _is_ doing things that run directly counter to the Empire operators and their NeoCon fellow-travelers. That much should be obvious to all.
Who here can turn a battleship on a dime? While the battleship is shooting at you, no less. Tuff job.
All that said, the battleship has more mass, more coherence than Trump's political support. The Israel-first faction of MAGA is now in direct conflict with the America-first faction. The lack of nuke-facility destruction is now a major wedge issue, and it'll be used to dis-affect the Israel-first group.
Hence the NYT and CNN articles. Interesting that they appeared _there_ first, and in synchronization.
So Trump and his MAGA are facing some key turning points. Which course does Trump pick: more military support for Israel, or double down on America-first.
This political fight in the U.S. is just getting started. Too bad Trump doesn't have some articulate political heavyweights on-staff. He's doing all the work himself.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 25 2025 13:47 utc | 98
c1ue | Jun 25 2025 13:32 utc | 106
The inter-connectedness of the world - trade and many other things are very much a part of the domestic affairs of any nation, whereas global empire, global 'policing' are not. The geopolitical world still has to be dealt with.
I think for the faction behind Trump, that will mean holding, or trying to hold strategic points as we move into the multi-polar world.
The biggest one of these strategic points is the Persian Gulf energy region.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2025 13:51 utc | 99
If the goal was to take out nuke facilities seems like USA would have simply led with that action.
But the initial Israeli strike was a massive decapitation strike. Which the USA essentially admitted complicity in.
It really seems that the US bombing mission was some kind of face saving off ramp once it became clear that Iran recovered and could counter HARD. This was a shock, as evidenced by the hot mic argument with Ben Gvir. As strange as it seems, West underestimated Iran.
Now the face saving off ramp itself has been revealed to be a failure.
But the initial objective remains: regime change. They just have to figure out another way.
Posted by: ZT | Jun 25 2025 13:54 utc | 100
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