Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 13, 2025
Uncertainty Of Future Tariffs Continues To Hamstring Economy

On April 2 President Donald Trump declared "Liberation Day," announcing a new tariff strategy aimed at allegedly correcting trade imbalances and protecting U.S. workers and industries.

It was the wrong medicine for misdiagnosed illness. Internal U.S. economic problems are caused by legal incentives for financial speculation and disincentives to produce goods people need. Tariffs won't solve that problem.

The tariff rates Trump introduced were ignoring economic realities. The whole economic concept behind was based on some advisors weird theory. It was obvious that the whole Trump strategy implemented through tariffs would fail.

China and other pushed back against U.S. tariffs by introducing some on their own. The markets reacted appropriately. The values of the U.S. dollar, U.S. stock markets and U.S. treasuries decreased.

By April 9 Trump was forced to pull back. He paused the tariffs for most countries for 90 days but increased tariffs on China.

China responded in kind. 

Three days later Trump announced another retreat. Smartphones and computers were excluded from the previously introduced tariffs.

Speculators may well have liked the uncertainty Trump's irresponsible tariff tactics introduced into financial markets. But for markets of real goods uncertainty is a venom that blocks all activities. It soon became obvious that the tariffs would cause huge problems for the U.S. economy.

Trump tried to press China to concede to U.S. terms in some new trade deal. But China rejected all talks until tariffs were reestablished at the previous levels.

That concession was made. Talks over the weekend in Geneva saw the U.S., again, pulling back.

The editors of the Wall Street Journal don't hold back in their comment:

Rarely has an economic policy been repudiated as soundly, and as quickly, as President Trump’s Liberation Day tariffs—and by Mr. Trump’s own hand. Witness the agreement Monday morning to scale back his punitive tariffs on China—his second major retreat in less than a week. This is a win for economic reality, and for American prosperity.

Make that a partial win for reality. The Administration agreed to scrap most of the 145% tariff Mr. Trump imposed on Chinese goods on April 2 and later. What remains is his new 10% global base-line tariff, plus the separate 20% levy putatively tied to China’s role in the fentanyl trade, for a total rate of 30%. In exchange, Beijing will reduce its retaliatory tariff to 10% from 125%. The deal is good for 90 days to start, as negotiations continue.

And therein, I believe, still lies the big problem.

The editors conclude:

The 30% tariff is still exceptionally high for a major trading partner, but the 90-day rollback spares both sides from what looked like an impending economic crackup. U.S. consumers were facing widespread shortages, while China feared growing unemployment.

For now, nothing will change with those symptoms.

It is not only the very high 30% tariff (for mostly products with very low profit margins) that will prevent Chinese factories from resuming production and U.S. retailers from restocking their shelves.

The poison that still paralyses everything is the uncertainty and insecurity that comes with the 90 days limit of the deal and with no perspective of what might follow. Who will post orders for, let's say return-to-school items, if it is unknown what price will have to be paid for them?

Paul Krugman agrees:

The prohibitive tariff has been paused, not canceled. Nobody knows what will happen in 90 days. I’ve long argued that the uncertainty created by Trump’s arbitrary, ever-changing tariffs is at least as important as the level of those tariffs. Well, the uncertainty level has arguably gone up rather than down.

This retreat probably hasn’t come soon enough to avoid high prices and empty shelves. Even if shipments from Shanghai to Los Angeles — which had come to a virtual halt — were to resume tomorrow, stuff wouldn’t arrive in time to avoid exhaustion of current inventories.

I guess it’s good news that Trump slammed on the brakes before driving completely off the cliff. But if you think that rationality has returned to the policy process, that the days of government by ignorant whim are now behind us, you’ll be sorely disappointed.

I agree with that take.

Comments

I post as “Roger Boyd” these days, with the link to my substack in the handle. Just so there is no confusion with the other Roger, who seems to have been quite busy recently.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | May 14 2025 7:15 utc | 144
Thank You Roger for clearing that up
I should have known
I was wondering

Posted by: ld | May 15 2025 4:21 utc | 201

Americans will have you believe that Huawei stole technology from them. 🙄

Huawei built a R&D “CITY”, providing researchers with utmost comfort and convenience.
This is what happens when your country spends money on the right place.

16 second video of city complex
https://x.com/XH_Lee23/status/1922253885424406542

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 15 2025 5:09 utc | 202

Keynes Was Right — and China Proves It
Keynes argued that speculative capital must be constrained, not indulged — and his warnings are more relevant today than ever. He believed that forcing national economies to serve the needs of mobile financial elites was a recipe for instability. Fast-forward to now: global markets are again on the brink, with debt levels beyond sustainability and speculative bubbles everywhere.
Keynes warned that once governments relinquish control over capital flows, they forfeit the tools needed to pursue full employment and long-term economic stability. His stance wasn’t ideological—it was pragmatic: economic policy should serve national priorities, not the shifting demands of global financial markets.
China gets this. Its “economic democracy” model actively reins in speculative finance that benefits elites at the cost of national well-being. It’s not about perfection, but about priorities — and unlike the West, China still remembers the basics of stability.
Meanwhile, the U.S. has gone the opposite route. Since dumping Bretton Woods, speculative capital has ruled. From the 2008 crisis to today’s fragile, debt-driven system, the symptoms have worsened. The 30-year Treasury yield just hit 4.94% — a signal that investors are losing faith. The U.S. deficit races past $2 trillion annually, while the Fed tries to hold up the sky with rate gimmicks and hope.
As early as 2005, Satyajit Das warned about the mortgage crisis. Today, he sees another storm: collapsing cash flows, debt traps, erratic geopolitics, speculative tech mania, and falling real incomes. Sound familiar?
At the center of this storm is the U.S. dollar. The global financial system is still built on demand for U.S. debt — but confidence is slipping. If foreign buyers — especially across the Global South — stop purchasing Treasuries, the U.S. faces two choices: default, or debase the currency.
This is the real driver behind Trump’s tariff-heavy “Maga-nomics.” The hope is that tariffs can generate $600B+ per year to offset ballooning deficits — without raising taxes or letting interest rates spiral. But it’s a fantasy. The bond market nearly imploded recently under pressure from rising yields and margin calls. Trump will find that tariffs can’t plug a $2 trillion deficit.
The whole system now hangs on the illusion of endless leverage. But when trust breaks — in Treasuries, in the dollar, in markets — collapse isn’t gradual. It’s sudden. Keynes wasn’t just writing for his time. He was warning ours in the 21st Century.

Posted by: Roger | May 15 2025 5:36 utc | 203

with debt levels beyond sustainability
Posted by: Roger | May 15 2025 5:36 utc | 206

Debt is not the problem as every debtor has a creditor.
The problem is collateral quality. There is inadequate collateral to secure tens (if not hundreds) of $Trillions of contracts.
Creditors insist on believing their contracts are collectable. They are living in a fantasy.
It is not a question of if but of when a cascade of re-pricing events changes the economic and geo-political landscape.
What comes after is the question. It would be tragic if the opportunity to reshape the very foundation of trade in order to favor human relations was lost.

Posted by: too scents | May 15 2025 6:09 utc | 204

(I haven’t been seeking employment for quite a while but…)
Not only poor wages but in general overall poor working conditions with awful requirements/expectations, exaggerated responsibilities/liabilities, bad/worse/ignored or non-existing workers’ rights including less paid time off, poor and/or laughably overextended and/or financialized health care (no matter if public or private), and in general less/reduced/gutted safety nets.
Applies to all of “the west”, Europe as much as the US although the US might be bottom of the barrel.
Maybe not so bad if you’ve ended up in one of those “inactive glory jobs” (does it have a name?) but a killer for anything real.
…and anybody can be “overqualified” thus ineligible for just about any free work 😛
All of it constantly getting worse is my impression.
(And something else is wrong too with all kinds of funny games being played with properties; the other day I discovered that a very nice high quality modern building complex I used to work in from time to time 25 years ago (part of an even bigger area that I normally worked in —different companies all fully owned by the same parent company) had been replaced by a nice really big water-filled gravel hole (they dug out the basement levels and partially filled it in) of an abandoned lot after the company moved (they were already talking about moving before I left, so let’s say 20 years ago).
Similar happened not all that far away to an extremely nice building that was the headquarter of a bank but at least there someone built a large area of expensive fancy flats.
Crazy wild mad stuff, many tens of millions if not more (USD) right down the drain in both cases).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 15 2025 6:54 utc | 205

This followed immediately after the tariff agreement with China. Something like this always follows.
People maligned China for its “firewall” for decades. In the West they made the claim that it was evidence of an autocratic, suppressive govt. in China. People in the west refuse to see reality that it has always been the USA that is the autocratic, suppressive unelected government and the #1 Global Terrorist.
⚠️ HEADS UP: AI Tech Sovereignty Under Fire – US Escalates Global AI Chip Sanctions
Date: May 15, 2025
Source: U.S. Department of Commerce Official Press Release:
https://www.bis.gov/press-release/department-commerce-rescinds-biden-era-artificial-intelligence-diffusion-rule-strengthens-chip-related
🔑 KEY DEVELOPMENTS & QUOTES:
1. Revocation of the Biden-Era AI Diffusion Rule
DOC Quote:
“The AI Diffusion Rule…would have stifled American innovation and saddled companies with burdensome new regulatory requirements. It also would have undermined U.S. diplomatic relations with dozens of countries.”
Under Secretary Jeffery Kessler confirmed non-enforcement of the rescinded rule.
2. New Export Control Guidance Issued
The U.S. now explicitly warns:
“Using Huawei Ascend chips anywhere in the world violates US export controls.”
“Potential consequences for allowing U.S. AI chips to be used in training or inference of Chinese AI models.”
The measures are designed to:
“Keep technology out of the hands of adversaries.”
“Protect supply chains from diversion tactics.”
“Maintain U.S. global AI dominance.”
💣 IMPLICATIONS FOR THE WORLD:
🔒 Global Lockdown on AI Sovereignty
Practically speaking, this means:
You may only use Nvidia chips.
You may only run US-approved AI models.
Using Huawei Ascend = criminal liability under U.S. extraterritorial law, even if you’re a Chinese company in China.
📛 Consequences for Non-Compliance
Entity List designation → cut-off from global finance and future tech access.
Executive sanctions, including jail risk if traveling to U.S.-allied countries.
🔥 CRUCIAL FORUM COMMENTARY:
“This is about the future of AI for third countries. Malaysia, for example, is Southeast Asia’s top data center hub. Many want to run DeepSeek (Chinese open-source model) on Huawei Ascend (cost-effective and optimized).
Now, doing so would violate U.S. export restrictions.
Running Chinese models on Nvidia chips? Also prohibited.
We are being forced—on pain of criminalization—to:
Buy only Nvidia,
Run only U.S. models.
This isn’t security policy. It’s the de facto criminalization of AI sovereignty.”
🧠 MULTIPLY THIS:
“Multiply this calculus by every self-respecting nation. AI is critical infrastructure. If we accept this, we’re AI vassals. U.S. leadership in AI = monopoly by decree.”
🔄 GLOBAL BLOWBACK LIKELY:
“China’s only rational response is to accelerate tech and financial decoupling. In trying to cut off the world from Huawei, the U.S. may cut itself off instead, as new non-US ecosystems emerge.”
“They ridiculed China’s Great Firewall as autocracy. But it shielded them from coercive U.S. policies and rentier capitalism. Now the rest of the world is waking up to do the same.”
🧩 TL;DR:
New U.S. rules: Using Huawei Ascend anywhere = export violation.
Using Nvidia chips to train Chinese AI models = sanctioned.
Only legal combo: Nvidia chips + U.S. AI models.
Result: Monopolistic control over global AI, enforced via U.S. legal threats.
Nothing is going to be any better than this going forward.

Posted by: Roger | May 15 2025 8:54 utc | 206

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 13 2025 17:54 utc | 24
We do live in a distant past, when America still existed.
One could call it America best days, somehow.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 15 2025 11:08 utc | 207

@Roger #206
Das has a knack for turning 2 sentences into 3 part logorrhea.
Anyone with a lick of human understanding could see, much earlier than 2005, that securitization would result in NINJA mortages and were going to be a problem. I started participating in the iTulip.com discussion web site in 2003 based precisely on the analysis that the mortgages were going to be a problem – and the question was: would the US oligarchy/leadership recognize and defuse this problem, or would they kick the can down the road? The answer to that, we all know.
As for your statements about “economic democracy”: utter nonsense. There is absolutely NOTHING democratic about how China has progressed. Note I am not saying that this was all diktat from above, rather, what China did was to give its provinces the capability to print their own money and then to reward successful efforts while papering over (with printed debt) the losers.
This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with democracy, nor is this capitalism in any normal sense. Nobody voted to make millions of e-scooters or electric bikes that were then discarded in huge piles of junk, or the many, many other failures at huge scale which this method inevitably results in (ghost cities are another example). Guanxi – or bribes – were a far bigger factor in the decision making than anything else.
Then there’s the commentary on the US dollar: “Demand for dollars” – define this more precisely.
Do you mean central bank dollar holdings? This is the correct definition of a significant part of US dollar “demand” – but it mostly exists so that Central Banks can ensure liquidity underlying trade. I say mostly because nations like the UK and Japan hold disproportionately more dollars for reasons other than trade liquidity but there is no question that the vast majority of central bank dollars are for trade liquidity purposes.
Do you mean Eurodollars? This is another, certainly larger at any given time, part of US dollar “demand”. But it is literally dollars created out of thin air by banks OUTSIDE the US in order to “facilitate trade”. This is pure banksterism.
Any other forms of “demand for dollars” are either very small in relation, or a figment of fools’ misunderstanding of reality. US assistance to governments and NGOs, whether USAID or outright subsidies, are large in absolute terms but tiny compared to the above 2. Central bank holdings of dollars is less than $4 trillion – you can see the details here. Eurodollar numbers are no longer published, but that market size was $15T in 2015. The M1 US monetary measure was, more or less, updated to reflect Eurodollars in 2020 and jumped over $12T as can be seen here
In comparison, USAID’s budget of $40 billion is nothing. Total US foreign aid was $55B in 2023, also nothing.
So let’s now look at tariffs from this, correct, understanding of how dollars really work in the international finance arena.
The summary is that:
1) The US does not, strategically or literally, have to import enormous quantities of non-discretionary goods like food and energy. The trade surplus nations do: China, Japan, the EU.
2) Tariffs – it is far from clear that they guarantee less “dollar demand”. Less “dollar demand” would only occur if the exporters were able to forgo trade entirely with the US – and I don’t believe they can in the medium or long term.
Detail:
Tariffs: on the one hand, should be expected to reduce trade. Less trade = less eurodollars + less central bank reserves for trade liquidity = less “demand for dollars”.
But tariffs have to be paid in dollars. And while Mercouris is 100% correct in that China can stimulate demand to offset reduced trade with the US, faster than the US can stimulate production to replace the lost incoming traded goods – this is only a short term analysis.
In the medium term, it is far less clear that dollar trade liquidity PLUS dollar tariffs is a net negative for “demand for dollars”. For example: if any part of the tariffs are absorbed by the exporter – then dollar demand could very well go up, not down. Only if you assume – which neoliberal wankers do – that all of the tariffs will be absorbed by the US consumer, would the net negative situation occur. I personally discount this completely because in the real world, it never works that way. Structural changes result in a rebalancing of the seller/consumer tradeoff – it never goes 100% to the consumer unless it is a monopoly situation.
But more critically, and in the long term, exporters are structurally handicapped to fight tariffs particularly the big exporters today. This is because the big exporters today need their trade surpluses.
Let’s not forget that the reason China trades a lot, as does Japan and the EU, is because all 3 entities need to import enormous quantities of food, energy and the input commodities to make the products for export goods as well as for internal development/consumption. All 3 – one growing, the other 2 not – want massive export and current account surpluses precisely in order to enable their massive imports.
Or put in other words: China, the EU and Japan MUST have surpluses in order to survive. It is not discretionary.
And while the US is not 90% of the world economy, any more, as it was after World War 2 – the US is by far the biggest single consumer both as a single nation and per capita in the entire world.
And unlike the EU – which is another huge demand sink – albeit lower per capita – the US does not actually HAVE to import a lot.
I’m not saying the US is 100% self sufficient in everything – it is not.
Nor am I saying the US can go cold turkey on imports right now – equally it cannot yet.
But the US does not need to import lots of food or lots of energy RIGHT NOW. It does not need to import lots of pretty much anything else should it choose to mobilize the human, capital and commodity resources within its own borders – although this would take time.

Posted by: c1ue | May 15 2025 14:23 utc | 208

@too scents #207
The US government does not need collateral or securitization to underpin its debt. That debt is in dollars and the US can, and does, print dollars.
As for the “every debtor has a creditor” – failure to understand the above is going to result in bad decision making, because this statement is ideological, not factual.
I have written multiple times about the commercial real estate (CRE) time bomb ticking away in the Big Blue coastal cities right now, due to work from home (WFH) policies. The massive loans taken out by many real estate outfits are deep underwater, meaning the banks that extended these loans are deep underwater, meaning any form of “mark to market” will cause these banks to topple like dominoes.
But that won’t happen. I no longer believe the US Federal Reserve would allow that to happen even though the net effects would be positive for everyone except a few very rich people, and those bank employees and managers.
So there is no creditor for this CRE debt in the sense of creditors being responsible for both profits and losses.
There is only “heads we win, tails we get bailed out”.

Posted by: c1ue | May 15 2025 14:29 utc | 209

c1ue 212 – Agreed on the CRE crisis, the Pyramid Group of Syracuse just defaulted on $1B in loans for two gigantic retail malls in upstate New York.
CRE is definitely going through a very rough time, Doug Jemal’s group is attempting to off load many commercial properties in DC and Buffalo too.
Best to invest in SP 500 funds at this time…….

Posted by: tobias cole | May 15 2025 15:00 utc | 210

Posted by: Roger | May 15 2025 5:36 utc | 206
Roger, thank you SO MUCH. Beautiful post!! You have explained the situation clearly so that even those of us who aren’t economists can understand it. I am writing this down – halfway done but had to pause to thank you.

Posted by: juliania | May 15 2025 15:06 utc | 211

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 14 2025 12:08 utc | 172
A real estate tax is an interesting alternative. It is much easier to enforce, provides a more stable demand for government spending, and does not discourage transactions. It can be made progressive, if the democracy desires.
<=it may be interesting but it is stupid.. Intangibles have never been taxed. Most monopoly power exist in the intangibles and wealthy persons and corporations own most of the intangibles (last I looked greater than 90% of the big guy corporation balance sheet assets are not tangibles(like Real Estate with factories on it) but intangibles. Intangible like copyrights, patents, government contracts, utility franchises, government bonds, accounts and notes receivable. and the like are all virgin territories to federal taxation. The cities, counties and state governments do not depend on tax related income from intangibles like they do the real estate(tangibles) and sales taxes.
REPLACING A TAX ON INCOME and a tax on imports WITH A TAX ON INTANGIBLE assets PLACES THE TAX BURDEN ON THE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF government created MONOPOLY POWER. It also gets rid of the income tax exemption nightmare. Income taxes are complicated because of the school book economist.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 14 2025 12:20 utc | 174
Maybe this is the whole reason behind the tariffs. So that Oligarchs and rent seekers who privatised the public sector can continue to rent seek for eternity. As taxes are removed from them directly and put on others.
<=YES, all taxation under the constitution has been designed to make the masses pay for the Oligarch cost of running the government and for the occasional cost of bailing the Oligarch out when their own risky ventures fail. Oligarchs are either exempt or well sheltered from most tax laws, but they own most of the worlds intangibles. Tax avoiding intentions often justifies relocation. Third world countries often offer tax free status to industries that move into those countries. .. So its not just cheap labor, its not just unregulated working conditions, but it is also tax avoidance intentions that caused the USA to move most of its manufacturing base from America to overseas. Posted by: Tel | May 14 2025 12:52 utc | 177 When governments demand more money printing, they assist the debtor at the expense of the creditor <=so what? the crime is factional reserve banking.. Roger @ 206 described it pretty well its “the illusion of endless leverage. But when trust breaks — in Treasuries, in the dollar, in markets — collapse isn’t gradual. It’s sudden. Keynes wasn’t just writing for his time. He was warning ours in the 21st Century.”
My argument is the people are better off when their government must have sufficient valuable physical assets in its safe before it can spend it (gold in the safe) because the limitation placed on the limited value in the safe avoids inflation while fractional reserve bank guarantees or even automates inflation. Government cannot spend more gold than it has in the safe without inflating the economy. When governments leverages their gold with credit they are multiplying (inflating) the value of the few bits of gold they actually possess (fractionating a few bits of gold to falsely amplifying (inflate) their actual ability to pay.
The paper money system is based on [the illusion of credit.(Roger @ 206)].
A virgin source of taxes for the USA is intangibles. Taxing the balance sheet carrying value of intangibles would allow government to raise and lower the tax rate on intangibles without impacting the consumer base.. One rate, one tax fits all intangible assets. The complete tax law on a single page of paper. No intangible would be exempt. Nothing.. and those folks with no intangible assets (like the common folks always in debt, the homeless, the worker slaves would never pay one dime in taxes). Rich Folks like Trump and the dual citizen globals would pay all of the taxes..after all they are making all of the money.
Changing subjects:
Posted by: Fortuna | May 14 2025 12:32 utc | 176
WE CAN’T ALLOW HUMAN ORGAN TRAFFICKING AND CHILD SLAVE LABOR TO CONTINUE?
China is not in that business any more than is Ukraine, Mexico, Thailand, South American or African nations. AFAIK there are no nation states, including China, in the business of trafficking in human organs or promoting the use of child slave labor? Human organ trafficking, sexual exploitation and using slave labor are all private enterprises (they were the main business of the British owned X indies companies, but they were not state enterprises. Your belief expressed here that state enterprises profit from vices means you are a victim of privately owned mass media distributed propaganda.

Posted by: snake | May 16 2025 10:46 utc | 212

@snake #215
Intangible taxes are stupid – for one thing, how do you value them?
For another, more critical thing, there are already taxes on the outcomes from said intangibles…which is to say, income derived.
The issue is not “taxing intangibles”, it is removing the abuse of (re)location of patents to low tax destinations i.e. tax gaming.
Hudson is for real estate taxes. From his analysis, which I agree with, the issue is not the collectability or valuation – the reason he advocates taxing real estate is because infrastructure build increases real estate valuation. Therefore a real estate tax is the government clawing back some of the value it has created. The same nonsense games exist for real estate tax deductions as exist for all other forms of taxation, and the same entrenched interests fighting for their own benefit.
Re: hard money i.e. assets backing money
Sorry, but just because the existing regime abuses fiat authority, does not mean that hard money is better. Hard money makes the entrenched wealthy, even more powerful because nobody – not even governments – can challenge their effective control over the money supply.
The reason the bete noir Rothschilds (and other banking clans) prospered in the past is precisely because of hard money. This limitation is why banksters of the past controlled kings – because kings were forced to borrow from said banksters in order to finance anything beyond cash on hand like irrigation canals, road building, public health as well as the more common wars.
The solution to abuse of fiat printing is not hard money – it is better government.

Posted by: c1ue | May 16 2025 14:50 utc | 213

Some additional color on the “Exporters MUST export” thread: oil
China imported about 11.3 million barrels per day (mbpd) in 2023. It is the largest single importer of oil.
The EU, however, imported 12.2 mbpd in 2023 with Japan adding another 2.5 mbpd and South Korea, 2.7 mpbd.
This is over 25% of the entire world’s oil production, but more critically it is more than 75% of the entire world’s oil exports.
These 4 exporter entities must have massive export surpluses in order to pay for these massive and critical imports of oil.
For food: South Korea imports over half of its caloric intake. Japan, 60%. China, 35%. The EU is better in this respect – importing only about 10% but this is certain to increase due to nitrogen fertilizer production falling off a cliff due to no more cheap Russian natural gas.

Posted by: c1ue | May 16 2025 15:40 utc | 214

Posted by: c1ue | May 16 2025 14:50 utc | 215
“Hudson is for real estate taxes… he advocates taxing real estate is because infrastructure build increases real estate valuation.”
<= talk about stupid ! The cities and the counties already heavily tax real estate and they manipulate its value based on all kinds of local factors. so valuing real estate on a fair and equal basis for the application of a federal tax would be unjust for some and a bonanza for others. Local factors affect real estate prices. Real estate taxes raise rents; higher rents force small businesses out, increase vacancies, increase inflation, increase insurance costs, increase homelessness.. as well as the fact they would compete with the revenues the cities and counties depend on. Tax on intangibles taxes the rich .. period period period How many members of the governed masses own intangibles virtually very, very few. More than half of the population could not even tell you the difference between a tangible and an intangible asset. Hudson is wrong on this issue. Tax intangibles avoids interfering with the city and county tax programs.. it leaves real estate values in the hands of those locals who do the zoning.. and those who write the building codes.and it allows the local people to exercise their right to self determination by voting for or against tax assessments within cities and counties. the multi nationals with their monopolies on nearly all parts of the construction supplies would increase those cost as fast as they could. those folks are vicious when it comes to competition. The most unpopular tax of all would be a federal tax on real estate. Attempting to tax real estate further than it already is will in my opinion start a major revolution in America. One that will see most of the citizens in the lower classes joining. Real estate affects that lives of the most Americans one way or the other it affects the least productive members as well as the most productive members of the people that run everyday America. The USA needs to keep its tax paws off of American real estate. Intangible taxes are easy to tax. The accounting standards force a global uniform valuation of intangible values so valuation is not and never will be anything but an accounting problem it will not be a local problem in 50000 different locations. Intangible values are rarely functions of local conditions as is real estate. Taxing Intangibles will never be near the problem for the USA that valuing real estate would be. A federal tax on Intangibles would put real pressure of the assholes that run wall street after all our clowns in Washington have written their laws so to favor wall street, why shouldn't wall street pay the taxes. Wall Street firms make their money because of intangibles. 90% of the multi-national companies as of August 2023 were intangibles. Tax the rich and leave the struggling real estate owners alone they have enough problems making ends meet now. see Ocean Tomo Intangible Asset market value study and many other reporting research reports. IMO, Hudson has his head up his ass if he thinks Americans will allow the USA to tax their real estate. He does not understand everyday America.

Posted by: snake | May 18 2025 2:23 utc | 215

@snake #217
Actually, it is not difficult at all to more-or-less value real estate.
For commercial, there are very well understood metrics of valuation vs. rental income.
For residential, entire states do property revaluations every year or two.
So your assertion of “The cities and the counties already heavily tax real estate and they manipulate its value based on all kinds of local factors. so valuing real estate on a fair and equal basis for” is utterly false. You clearly don’t know about Proposition 13, for example, which has kept both residential and commercial real estate taxes in California at ridiculously low levels. Intel in Santa Clara pays something like $16 million a year in real estate taxes for $1.32 billion of property value – a 1.2% rate.
Intel Santa Clara property owned value
Intel property tax paid, Santa Clara county
On the residential side: go to Redfin, then wander around looking at properties on Pacific Heights – the highest rent district in San Francisco. The typical property tax for these $5M+ properties is in the $2K to $3K range: less than 1 month’s rent for a 1 bedroom apartment in SF.
As for intangibles: you did not address the valuation issue. Intangibles are trivially manipulated in value because, well, they are intangibles. They can be moved, transferred, income increased or decreased, etc etc.
Lastly, I suspect that your antipathy towards real estate taxes is based on a myopic narrow focus just on real estate. The reason Hudson advocates real estate taxes is because
1) They are the most difficult to game, except perhaps tariffs
2) They are the most progressive
3) They are the most consistent in income, valuation and therefore revenue – unlike capital gains, for example.
As such, Hudson advocates real estate taxes INSTEAD of reliance on income, sales and similar taxes. In fact, he has done extensive analysis showing how the division of state tax revenue between real estate, income and sales taxes have heavily shifted from the former to the latter…not coincidentally enriching the rich property owners at the expense of all the poorer people.

Posted by: c1ue | May 18 2025 15:42 utc | 216