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May 25, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-114
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians pawns will be sacrificed on the altar of a noble cause: combating Vladimir Vladimirovich’s “toxic masculinity” (sic) and finally holding “a gay pride parade in Moscow” Posted by: Simon | May 25 2025 20:57 utc | 101 Posted by: Milites | May 25 2025 19:54 utc | 82 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 25 2025 21:02 utc | 102 Although the side effect is a society fractured into two opposing cultural identities. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 21:05 utc | 103 Without the exaggerated exaggerations of the screenwriters, the public would see that the coalition in power in Washington since 1964 lives in Olympus, untouched by the whims of the political show industry, catering to the masses. Posted by: Simon | May 25 2025 21:08 utc | 104 Kiev is reporting that the U.S.-supplied Patriot Air Defense System is no longer sufficient in response to Iskandr and Kalibr missile strikes. Posted by: northwestwoods | May 25 2025 21:12 utc | 105 The Buffer Zone as depicted by Medvedev in this GIF provided by Escobar. It’s what many expect. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 25 2025 21:12 utc | 106 @ Stierlitz | May 25 2025 16:31 utc | 26 who is advocating using nukes…..sorry, you are in the wrong bar…..don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Posted by: Zet | May 25 2025 21:13 utc | 107
the bully complains when he cannot harrass the other side anymore that easily. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 25 2025 21:17 utc | 108 For the last 45 minutes, Russia has been savaging Ukraine with drones. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 25 2025 21:19 utc | 109 Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 20:14 utc | 88 Posted by: Milites | May 25 2025 21:26 utc | 110 These were all compiled from about a dozen different reports, I can provide links if anyone desperately wants them. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 25 2025 21:32 utc | 111 Glenn Diesen Posted by: Menz | May 25 2025 21:39 utc | 112 Posted by: Milites | May 25 2025 21:26 utc | 109 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 21:39 utc | 113 Posted by: Naive | May 25 2025 19:38 utc | 79 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 21:45 utc | 114 Republic of Scotland (20). Posted by: Pete Lincoln | May 25 2025 21:45 utc | 115 RE: no pope, no hope, but plenty of dope Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 22:02 utc | 116 Simon100 – yes among other things, yes. Posted by: tobias cole | May 25 2025 22:04 utc | 117 Russia is weak. They could have taken all the heads of Ukraine and have won the war by now. But for some strange reason Putin is only killing Slavic conscripts. Posted by: Wizard CP | May 25 2025 22:08 utc | 118 @7 Posted by: Jason | May 25 2025 22:10 utc | 119 Posted by: persiflo | May 25 2025 20:14 utc | 87 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 22:12 utc | 120 Why nukes? Posted by: Jason | May 25 2025 22:14 utc | 121 Posted by: persiflo | May 25 2025 20:14 utc | 87 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 22:16 utc | 122 Money Gods @ JPMorgan Chase prophesize that the war in Ukraine will end in July 2025. Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 25 2025 22:19 utc | 123 Personally, I’m surprised at its only being used, given a strike on certain targets would have been operationally very beneficial, saving possibly thousands of lives and the loss of dozens of expensive platforms. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 22:21 utc | 124 In this case, whose canary and in which coal mine? Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 22:25 utc | 125 Posted by: Jason | May 25 2025 22:14 utc | 120 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 25 2025 22:51 utc | 126 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 20:24 utc | 91 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 25 2025 23:03 utc | 127 Posted by: Milites | May 25 2025 19:54 utc | 82 Posted by: canuck | May 25 2025 23:03 utc | 128 Posted by: tobias cole | May 25 2025 22:04 utc | 116 It is a lie to say the fascist regime in Kyiv is anti-Christian. They are indeed against the Russian Orthodox Church but that’s because they are for Ukrainian Orthodox, and against Russians period. That simply includes Orthodox Russians. Intramural disputes between Christian sects are never ant-Christian, they are always pro-Christian. Always. I imagine in years to come we will gradually find out about many unorganized outrages against unconnected Jews, no Zelensky, no Kolomoyskiy, no Chabad. But lest we forget, attacks on Jews, like attacks on Muslims, are always implicitly pro-Christian. Posted by: steven t johnson | May 25 2025 23:06 utc | 129 Gorgeous George weighs in on Putin’s killer Ukrainian rent boys: Posted by: ChatNPC | May 25 2025 23:07 utc | 130 It won’t come as any surprise to comprehend the extent to which DJT, quite personally, has endured his own very public colonoscopy, judicially & in terms of lawfare, regarding charges of moral turpitude. Posted by: stel_porcupine | May 25 2025 23:07 utc | 131 TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 18:59 utc | 68 Posted by: Cynic | May 25 2025 23:07 utc | 132 Posted by: stel_porcupine | May 25 2025 23:07 utc | 130 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 23:09 utc | 133 *** Something big, very big, “bigly” even, happened at Yuzhmash. Was it a one-off, that is too expensive to replicate? Could be, but can the West afford to take the risk that it actually isn’t? It’s a huge bluff to call… Posted by: frithguild | May 25 2025 23:12 utc | 134 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 22:12 utc | 119 Posted by: ChatNPC | May 25 2025 23:14 utc | 135 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 21:39 utc | 112 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 25 2025 23:17 utc | 136 Posted by: frithguild | May 25 2025 23:12 utc | 133 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 25 2025 23:30 utc | 137 My guess on oreshnik is that they are still in the development stage, not yet in mass production. Yushmash was the real live test case and presumably now after just a little refinement are in production. Russia will not use them unless they have a very significant target. That probably means that they would use them only if full on war with NATO starts and then on perhaps a top ten set of targets. Posted by: watcher | May 25 2025 23:41 utc | 138 Neutrality Studies has an excellent itw of a Turkish scholar, largely on Ukraine Posted by: Tom | May 25 2025 23:48 utc | 139 Russia is weak. They could have taken all the heads of Ukraine and have won the war by now. But for some strange reason Putin is only killing Slavic conscripts. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 25 2025 23:49 utc | 140 steven t johnson | May 25 2025 23:06 utc | 128 Posted by: Cynic | May 25 2025 23:53 utc | 141 Of course there will be those who complain very loudly and publicly when DJT fails to support Project Ukraine to the degree that Collective Biden did, the Regime Media in the U.S. among them. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 23:56 utc | 142 “But lest we forget, attacks on Jews, like attacks on Muslims, are always implicitly pro-Christian.” Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 25 2025 23:56 utc | 143 *** Kudos, and have one on my TAB.. Posted by: frithguild | May 25 2025 23:57 utc | 144 But then DJT stepped in—and he balked. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 26 2025 0:03 utc | 145 Oreshnik is also assigned to the Strategic Missile Forces, the ones whose motto is “After us, Silence”. It’s not meant as a battlefield rocket like Iskander. Posted by: persiflo | May 26 2025 0:05 utc | 146 Once Sir Keir gets replaced as the prime minister of UK, JD can step forward and say, “Listen, we thought this war was about supporting a scrappy fledgling democracy in the face of Russian aggression. Fair enough. But the further we delved into this, the more we found elements far murkier and far darker than that.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 26 2025 0:19 utc | 147 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 26 2025 0:03 utc | 144 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 26 2025 0:26 utc | 148 Makes one wonder why there are still people carrying water for the Nazis in 2025. Posted by: Naive | May 26 2025 0:32 utc | 149 But what targets are these? Milites, care to elaborate on your earlier thinking? Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 26 2025 0:34 utc | 150 Regarding the Keir Starmer arson attacks: Posted by: George | May 26 2025 0:36 utc | 151 Anyone who thinks Russia is not making gains along most of the front line would be the same sort of person who, if they were a frog, would not notice the temperature raising to boiling point if they sat in a pot full of water until they were cooked. Posted by: George | May 26 2025 0:55 utc | 152 They are killing Poles, Canadians, and the French. Posted by: Merv Ritchie | May 26 2025 1:07 utc | 154 Posted by: steven t johnson | May 25 2025 23:06 utc | 128 Posted by: Praise The Lord | May 26 2025 1:08 utc | 155 “Religious schisms are only and always caused by bigotry, deluded supremism, team politics, and never by true religiosity or by the true believers in their Messiah.” Posted by: George | May 26 2025 1:15 utc | 156 The Art War: Sun Tzu Posted by: HERMIUS | May 26 2025 1:18 utc | 157 @George | Mon, 26 May 2025 01:15:00 GMT | 155
It’s even worse. State entities have collaborated with religious figures throughout all times to further their ends, and those have let themselves be corrupted. Scripture has been edited and artificially produced and disseminated at scale. Sects have been concocted and used, over and over. It’s kind of an open secret if you study the history of religions through this lense, but if you want confirmation, I refer you to ex-CIA boss James Woolsey, who publicly confessed they made up some crazy talk which had the intended effect: war. One of the wildest stories is the extinction of Manichaeism, which was practiced from Spain to Japan for a millenium, and then uprooted and vanished almost without a trace. This teaching was eminently peaceful and in many ways more sophisticated than the monotheism, which is more than just ironic – it hints at the dark truth of what is really going on. Posted by: persiflo | May 26 2025 1:53 utc | 158 “It’s even worse. State entities have collaborated with religious figures throughout all times to further their ends, and those have let themselves be corrupted.” Posted by: George | May 26 2025 2:27 utc | 159 Posted by: Simon | May 25 2025 20:48 utc | 97 Posted by: Milites | May 26 2025 2:31 utc | 160 Maybe if we leave Yuzhmash aside then the biggest story about Oreshnik isn’t Oreshnik but Avangard. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 26 2025 3:13 utc | 161 Posted by: George | May 26 2025 1:15 utc | 155 Posted by: Milites | May 26 2025 3:21 utc | 162 *** State entities have collaborated with religious figures throughout all times to further their ends, and those have let themselves be corrupted. *** Posted by: frithguild | May 26 2025 3:29 utc | 163 Error correction, I worded myself far too sloppily. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 26 2025 3:36 utc | 164 That arguably might be true of its leaders, the trouble becomes when the rank and file’s motives are motivated by this sense of religiosity and defending the faith, that their leaders are only mimicking. *** Posted by: frithguild | May 26 2025 3:42 utc | 165 Posted by: Milites | May 26 2025 3:21 utc | 161 Posted by: George | May 26 2025 3:52 utc | 166 “Whatever destroys the priest class tends to replace it. In the US right now the woke left are the new zealots in a Nietzschian God is dead society. This is the same religion as Communism.” Posted by: George | May 26 2025 4:18 utc | 167 Trump says: Posted by: George | May 26 2025 4:49 utc | 168 Posted by: George | May 26 2025 4:18 utc | 166 Posted by: frithguild | May 26 2025 5:38 utc | 169 Posted by: frithguild | May 26 2025 5:38 utc | 169 Posted by: George | May 26 2025 6:41 utc | 170 snake | May 25 2025 14:31 utc | 7 Posted by: stone | May 26 2025 6:52 utc | 171 At least the nukes livened up the conversation. IMHO it is now virtually impossible to “neutralize” Russophobia in western Europe. Shock is the only thing that will stop it. (BTW I understand China has developed a “Hydrogen” bomb as powerful as any nuclear device.) So the choices are out there. Why hasn’t Moscow set up a war crimes tribunal already? Who remembers the terrorist assaults in Russia today? Why hasn’t a Moscow court demanded the extradition of Zelensky – after his term of office ran out? To illustrate just how far we have gone on the rocky road, yesterday I read on Sonar21 that Thomas Röper of Anti-Spiegel fame has been sanctioned by the EU … an EU citizen sanctioned by Kaja Kallas. It seems the EU has staged a coup against the nation state. Posted by: Stierlitz | May 26 2025 7:21 utc | 172 “Norway’s former foreign minister and defence minister claims the Americans have “in no way” recognised that NATO expansion provoked the war” Posted by: tpaine | May 26 2025 7:24 utc | 173 It’s not his war, and he doesn’t like it. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 26 2025 7:34 utc | 174 @TJandTheBear Posted by: ITreniDiTozeur | May 26 2025 7:43 utc | 175 The MMT theory does not promise salvation, it is effectively a front to be fought. Posted by: too scents | May 26 2025 7:53 utc | 176 MAGA and MEGA Turns Mugger… Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 26 2025 8:06 utc | 177 Bare naked “money” has no value. Posted by: ITreniDiTozeur | May 26 2025 8:12 utc | 178 MMT offers some hints. Posted by: too scents | May 26 2025 8:22 utc | 179 Sunny Runny Burger | May 26 2025 3:36 utc | 164 Posted by: dan of steele | May 26 2025 8:25 utc | 180 Posted by: George | May 26 2025 4:49 utc | 168 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 26 2025 8:26 utc | 181 From the moment the SMO commenced, Western reporting on it was a radical repudiation of the truth. During the initial hours, the major trope was that VVP had reacted to the social isolation of the pandemic by going crazy and all of a sudden invading a scrappy little democracy which was innocently minding its business. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 26 2025 8:41 utc | 182 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 26 2025 8:41 utc | 183 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 26 2025 8:42 utc | 183 The bloodshed is happening to ethnically cleanse the slavs & replace Ukraine with Israel 2.0. Posted by: Barbara | May 26 2025 8:44 utc | 184 i will say it again: Posted by: Justpassinby | May 26 2025 8:52 utc | 185 I believe that MMT is a cul-de-sac offered up as a distraction to the underlying issue of value. Posted by: ITreniDiTozeur | May 26 2025 8:55 utc | 186 Posted by: Newbie | May 25 2025 17:37 utc | 47 Posted by: Newbie | May 26 2025 8:58 utc | 187 https://www.flightradar24.com/3a80c0a6 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 26 2025 9:00 utc | 188 On the very day that the Romanovka cauldron is popping off bigly, the WaPo comes out w/ a propagandized puff piece about how the LOC is static. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 26 2025 9:03 utc | 189 Does he also not realise that while he says Putin has “gone crazy” there is nothing to be noticed in the GAZA strip with Netanyahu’s continued genocide. Posted by: pasta | May 26 2025 9:32 utc | 190 On the very day that the Romanovka cauldron is popping off bigly, the WaPo comes out w/ a propagandized puff piece about how the LOC is static. Posted by: Newbie | May 26 2025 9:36 utc | 191 I am having a pain management interlude to my sleep and am seeing the following from Reuters
I see the latest Trump calling Putin crazy as a good ploy to keep at bay those that think he is weak against Putin. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 26 2025 9:55 utc | 192 Opinion about this one? Posted by: Newbie | May 26 2025 10:12 utc | 193 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 26 2025 8:26 utc | 182 Posted by: George | May 26 2025 10:14 utc | 194 So much for negotiations, from Lucas Leiroz:
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/05/26/russian-military-expansion-as-only-guarantee-of-peace/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2025 10:21 utc | 195 @ Newbie | May 26 2025 10:12 utc | 194 Posted by: boneless | May 26 2025 10:21 utc | 196 @ Aleph_Null | May 26 2025 10:21 utc | 196 Posted by: boneless | May 26 2025 10:22 utc | 197 “They.Don’t.Learn”. Posted by: George | May 26 2025 10:28 utc | 198 Does he also not realise that while he says Putin has “gone crazy” there is nothing to be noticed in the GAZA strip with Netanyahu’s continued genocide. Posted by: scc | May 26 2025 10:33 utc | 199 “goebbels would be proud of what the western regime medias have managed to achieve.” Posted by: George | May 26 2025 10:34 utc | 200 |
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