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May 25, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-114
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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So it seems that the lines are shifting faster – and that the reliability of pro-Ukrainian mappers is not holding up yo these dynamics. Will we see a collapse of the frontlines soon? Posted by: Eol | May 25 2025 13:27 utc | 1 The Neo-Nazi dictatorship running Ukraine wants a lot more cash from the EU – if successful European citizens will suffer (economically) far more than they are now. I’ve read that England’s PM (Starmer) has underwritten much of Ukraine’s debt, which British citizens and their children and grandchildren will pay for, for a long time to come. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 25 2025 13:34 utc | 2 https://sputnikglobe.com/20250525/russia-boasts-worlds-third-largest-trade-surplus-in-2024-1122126156.html Posted by: Eighthman | May 25 2025 13:38 utc | 3 WillyOAM ex Australian army. Has volunteered in Ukraine. Posted by: Melaleuca | May 25 2025 13:48 utc | 4 The gents of The Duran spilled a little tea about the bond Sir Keir has formed w/ Zelensky, allegedly of the romantic variety, giggling a bit & smirking as neither guys exactly named the situation—but the implications for Sir Keir’s determination to center *all* UK doings on Project Ukraine come into focus. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 14:19 utc | 5 Putin’s Helicopter Caught in Ukrainian Drone Swarm – Commander Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 25 2025 14:28 utc | 6 I am still looking for answers to the question how is Russia to protect itself from continuous aggression.. A full and complete surrender agreement from Ukraine will not stop the Russia-phobic beliefs engineered over many years into many national populations? This belief means the defeat, rob and destroy Russia leaders of these nation states and their deep state backers are free to continue attacking Russia. Posted by: snake | May 25 2025 14:31 utc | 7 Kiev is reporting that the U.S.-supplied Patriot Air Defense System is no longer sufficient in response to Iskandr and Kalibr missile strikes. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 14:33 utc | 8 JohnGilberts I saw that article. Definitely not the first attempt on Putin. One wonders if the drone swarm was launched without the knowledge of the Collective Wastes (hat tip to the MOA member who coined that phrase). Seems unlikely. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 25 2025 14:34 utc | 9 Cavoli, the commander of United States European Command, predicts that Russia has the capacity to prosecute the SMO @ the current rate for at least the next two years, if not longer. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 14:46 utc | 10 a) PM (Starmer) has underwritten much of Ukraine’s debt, which British citizens and their children and grandchildren will pay for, for a long time to come. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 25 2025 14:49 utc | 11 Posted by: snake | May 25 2025 14:31 utc | 7 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 14:54 utc | 12 Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 25 2025 13:34 utc | 2 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 25 2025 15:06 utc | 13 Republicofscotland | May 25 2025 13:34 utc | 2 Posted by: Cynic | May 25 2025 15:13 utc | 14 Craig Murray post on X: Posted by: Melaleuca | May 25 2025 15:26 utc | 15 @snake #7 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 25 2025 15:35 utc | 16 We’ve taught people how money works in Scotland. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 15:43 utc | 17 Russia has done this multiple times. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 15:50 utc | 18 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 23rd May 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-76d Posted by: The Busker | May 25 2025 16:01 utc | 19 Sun of Alabama (11). Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 25 2025 16:06 utc | 20 It wasn’t that long ago – that the British taxpayer finished paying-off the Yanks, for aid in WWII – 2006 I think – via the Lend-Lease Programme. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 16:18 utc | 21 “You should learn it instead of writing mainstream fantasies” Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 25 2025 16:25 utc | 22 Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 16:18 utc | 21
—- Posted by: john brewster | May 25 2025 16:29 utc | 23 snake | May 25 2025 14:31 utc | 7– Cynic (14). Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 25 2025 16:31 utc | 25 I am still looking for answers to the question how is Russia to protect itself from continuous aggression.. A full and complete surrender agreement from Ukraine will not stop the Russia-phobic beliefs engineered over many years into many national populations? This belief means the defeat, rob and destroy Russia leaders of these nation states and their deep state backers are free to continue attacking Russia. posted by snake Posted by: Stierlitz | May 25 2025 16:31 utc | 26 @ Stierlitz | May 25 2025 16:31 utc | 26 who is advocating using nukes…..sorry, you are in the wrong bar…..don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 25 2025 16:38 utc | 27 The Buffer Zone as depicted by Medvedev in this GIF provided by Escobar. It’s what many expect. Re: Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 25 2025 14:28 utc | 6
The Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces is obviously a legitimate target in a War. Posted by: Julian | May 25 2025 16:43 utc | 29 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 25 2025 15:26 utc | 15 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 16:44 utc | 30 @23 Posted by: paddy | May 25 2025 16:49 utc | 31 Posted by: snake #7 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 16:52 utc | 32 Posted by: karlof1 | May 25 2025 16:38 utc | 28 Posted by: lex talionis | May 25 2025 16:52 utc | 33 “Russia’s been doing this it’s entire life. This is the first time in history wherein it’s tormentors are actually in decline. If anything it’ll get easier going forward.” Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 25 2025 16:59 utc | 34 Posted by: Stierlitz | May 25 2025 16:31 utc | 26 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 17:00 utc | 35 When the dust finally settles the RUF [fatherland] shall be victorious. Posted by: pepe | May 25 2025 17:08 utc | 36 This is patently ridiculous. There’s been many swings in history where russias power rises in relation to western states. It’s fan boy takes like this that are the bane of my existence. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 17:10 utc | 37 “The answer is to drop nuclear weapons on Kiev and Lviv. The shock should be enough to stop all provocations smack in their tracks. Simultaneously Oreshnik the NATO forward bases in Romania and Poland. That should do the trick. Trump will not risk NYC for Kiev. So defacto the alliance is broken. If the French or the British try something Orteshnik their weapons manufacturing sites. Watch how everything will go silent.” Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 25 2025 17:11 utc | 38 @37 tj Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 25 2025 17:13 utc | 39 Overlooking the obvious is what all distraction is designed to do. Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 25 2025 17:15 utc | 40 Its not MMT. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 17:22 utc | 41 Why would three super-sexy Ukrainian male models, as gay as gay can be, as seen in photos and career hopes, all over the internet — light on fire properties that belong / belonged to Kweir S. ? Posted by: Noirette | May 25 2025 17:24 utc | 42 The U.S. has been “a direct party in the conflict with Russia,” according to the nytimes, and yet is attempting to persuade Russia to delete Vladimir Medinsky from its negotiating team during the next round of talks (if the talks even happen ultimately.) Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 17:28 utc | 43 Posted by: Eighthman | May 25 2025 13:38 utc | 3 Posted by: Milites | May 25 2025 17:32 utc | 44 I think you focused on the fan boy dig and ignored the rest of my message. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 17:35 utc | 45 Putin’s Helicopter Caught in Ukrainian Drone Swarm – Commander Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 25 2025 17:35 utc | 46 “Possible Russian involvement in arson attacks on 3 properties belonging to Sir Keir Starmer”—this is the lead article in today’s FT, the peach-colored newspaper. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 17:36 utc | 47 Anonymous? Where are you? Posted by: Newbie | May 25 2025 17:37 utc | 48 Which is why the cabal needed a senile figurehead and his robotic ‘friend’ to be able to push that financial ‘theory’ to its logical conclusion. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 17:42 utc | 49 ” MMT is very specific that deficit spending MUST be on real physical infrastructure – a long term investment that will pay dividends long after any short term deficits have been paid off. Posted by: The painter | May 25 2025 17:42 utc | 50 The British prosecutor can’t figure out what the motives for the arson attacks were. Obviously, this is an investigation that will be A) quashed quickly or B) reveal that Russia did it or C) will rapidly go off the rails. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 17:44 utc | 51 Reports in various Ukrainian outlets of a heavy overnight bombardment by Russian missiles and drones. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 17:45 utc | 52 Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 17:44 utc | 50 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 17:48 utc | 53 I’ve been following Kelton, Keen and other MMT priests for years and the arguments are all still BS. It’s a monstrous lie hidden beneath a thousand fiat truths, which is why it never has and never will go mainstream. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 17:22 utc | 41
—- Posted by: john brewster | May 25 2025 17:48 utc | 54 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 17:45 utc | 51 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 17:49 utc | 55 I was just thinking to myself how the “nuke ’em” crowd has been pretty quiet lately. Neofeudalfuture must want us all dead, talking about “Nuke Kiev/Lvov” and Nuke/Oreshnik the capitals or manufacturing hubs of any country that dares utter a peep afterwards. As if said countries don’t have nukes of their own. Posted by: Stark | May 25 2025 18:00 utc | 56 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 25 2025 14:49 utc | 11 Posted by: clement | May 25 2025 18:03 utc | 57 @55 stark Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 25 2025 18:04 utc | 58
Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 17:49 utc | 54 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 18:05 utc | 59 And furthermore, I read this in the last open thread last week, one of you made a very good point: the US can cause all the death and destruction it does because it does so from the other side of the world, with two big oceans to protect it. Sooner or later, this war is going to end, and Russia is going to need its neighbors to get along with them. “They nuked us!” would be the rallying cry of every Ukrainian, however many are left, forever. You see how they openly hate Russians now, how do you think they’d feel then? And then what choice would Russia have? Exterminate them all and be no better than Israel in Gaza, or try to make peace – and again, we’ve all seen how impossible peace is now, imagine how much more impossible it’d be with everything going on AND the fact that Russia nuked Ukraine – and I guess just live with the endless terrorist attacks. And again, people are already calling for said terrorist attacks just because “the only good Russian is a dead Russian”-type sentiment. Posted by: Stark | May 25 2025 18:08 utc | 60 @57 Neofeudalfuture Posted by: Stark | May 25 2025 18:11 utc | 61 It wasn’t that long ago – that the British taxpayer finished paying-off the Yanks, for aid in WWII – 2006 I think – via the Lend-Lease Programme. Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 25 2025 18:12 utc | 62 Third, there are even more decades of scholarship debunking the Austrians. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 18:35 utc | 63 That’s what happens when you like to declare wars that you can only win with the help of your big brother. By the way, good luck with your involvement in Ukraine without the help of the USA, dear English and French! Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 25 2025 18:40 utc | 64 Wasn’t Russia supposed to have run out of missiles…? Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 18:41 utc | 65
Wow, you tout the Austrians who are the original ivory tower intellectuals. Sneering for thee, but not for me.
First, no government has ever tried it. You can’t say it didn’t work if it was never tried.
More sneering without any proof. You continue to try to equate MMT with the massive, bipartisan tax cuts and deficit spending, such as Bernanke’s “helicopter money”. Try as you might, you can’t blame MMT for the current mess. Posted by: john brewster | May 25 2025 18:53 utc | 66
Wow, you tout the Austrians who are the original ivory tower intellectuals. Sneering for thee, but not for me.
First, no government has ever tried it. You can’t say it didn’t work if it was never tried.
More sneering without any proof. You continue to try to equate MMT with the massive, bipartisan tax cuts and deficit spending, such as Bernanke’s “helicopter money”. Try as you might, you can’t blame MMT for the current mess. Posted by: john brewster | May 25 2025 18:53 utc | 67 Patience is wearing thin … First, no government has ever tried it. You can’t say it didn’t work if it was never tried. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 18:59 utc | 69 Posted by: john brewster | May 25 2025 18:53 utc | 65 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 19:02 utc | 70
We good. We trust you 🙂 Posted by: Avtonom | May 25 2025 19:04 utc | 71 Folks, please can we keep things somewhat topic-related? Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 19:06 utc | 72
Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 19:06 utc | 71 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 19:14 utc | 73 The way that I understand MMT is that there is no deficit spending at all, because there is no debt involved. Posted by: wagelaborer | May 25 2025 19:21 utc | 74 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 19:02 utc | 69
You are a total hypocrite. It was YOU who started the off-topic. Posted by: john brewster | May 25 2025 19:21 utc | 75 So, has anyone figured out yet what Ukraine can do to win this conflict and depose Putin from power? Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 25 2025 19:22 utc | 76 In a general round-up, Andrei M. reports the use of Kinzhal in the overnight attacks: https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/05/yes-info-146.html Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 19:26 utc | 77 The assassination of PORTNOV in Madrid is revealing according to the daily Ytube podcast in Italian by Nicolai Lilin. PORTNOV was a brilliant lawyer and rewrote the Ukrainian penal code in 2012 to the benefit of the then established oligarchs like Kolomoiski. These were however sidelined by the Soros linked pro globalist oligarchs, which lead to Euro Maidan in 2014. Temporarily Portnov took the side of the old East Ukrainian oligarchs (Yanukovich) in 2014 and consequently had to emigrate. Posted by: Teraspol | May 25 2025 19:34 utc | 78 Posted by: john brewster | May 25 2025 16:29 utc | 23 Posted by: Badjoke | May 25 2025 19:34 utc | 79 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 25 2025 17:36 utc | 46 Posted by: Naive | May 25 2025 19:38 utc | 80
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 25 2025 19:22 utc | 75 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 19:39 utc | 81 You are a total hypocrite. It was YOU who started the off-topic. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 19:54 utc | 82 Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 17:42 utc | 48 Posted by: Milites | May 25 2025 19:54 utc | 83 And as for
They tried that last summer, launching a 3-day operation to invade Kursk and march on Moscow to topple the evil Putler regime. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 19:54 utc | 84 Notably absent from the Ukrainian reports I looked at was any claim to have shot them down… Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 19:57 utc | 85 Actually, I suppose ”MMT” could apply to this thread: Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 20:01 utc | 86 Many Missiles Thundering… Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 20:03 utc | 87 @Melaleuca | Sun, 25 May 2025 15:26:00 GMT | 15
Does Sir Keir have enemies? Yes, among them Russia. Did Russia send three gay arsonists for Starmer, or did they come by themselves? Posted by: persiflo | May 25 2025 20:14 utc | 88 It’s already arrived. What do you think MAGA represents? Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 20:14 utc | 89 It could also be blackmail by a third party, like some disgruntled oligarch. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 20:16 utc | 90 German Defense Minister Teases Possible Conscription in 2026 Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 25 2025 20:20 utc | 91
Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 25 2025 19:57 utc | 84 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 20:24 utc | 92 @steel_porcupine | Sun, 25 May 2025 17:00:00 GMT | 35
From pax, the hammerblow. Posted by: persiflo | May 25 2025 20:24 utc | 93 The comedian is too funny. After attacking Russia he is getting back what he deserves. He cries to Trump as if Russia attacked Ukraine yesterday out of the blue. He should count his blessings that Russia didn’t use nukes on him. Not a bad idea to do a repeat of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Ukraine to speed up the end of the war. Kiev, Lviv, Odessa, Karkiv and Nikolaiv are prime targets. Bust them open for peace. Posted by: Jason | May 25 2025 20:26 utc | 94 Posted by: Newbie | May 25 2025 17:37 utc | 47 Posted by: Milites | May 25 2025 20:31 utc | 95 “The Biden administration was merely the pendulum swinging to the insane far left” Posted by: Simon | May 25 2025 20:37 utc | 96 Posted by: Jason | May 25 2025 20:26 utc | 93 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 25 2025 20:38 utc | 97 … Posted by: Simon | May 25 2025 20:48 utc | 98 @ snake, §7: Posted by: John Marks | May 25 2025 20:48 utc | 99 Nooneuknow | May 25 2025 17:15 utc | 40 Posted by: rk | May 25 2025 20:48 utc | 100 |
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