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May 22, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-111
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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reply to 92 Posted by: canuck | May 23 2025 12:19 utc | 101 Posted by: The Busker | May 23 2025 8:43 utc | 82 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 23 2025 12:27 utc | 102 JamesBond | May 23 2025 11:28 utc | 96 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | May 23 2025 12:29 utc | 103 Konami | May 23 2025 11:38 utc | 97 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 23 2025 12:30 utc | 104 Posted by: jared | May 23 2025 12:09 utc | 100 Posted by: Ninhvoi | May 23 2025 12:34 utc | 105 There are other ways to wage wars than the “Kill all that moves, flatten all that don’t”. Posted by: Savonarole | May 23 2025 12:42 utc | 106 reply to 104 Posted by: Eighthman | May 23 2025 12:45 utc | 107 @103, Posted by: JamesBond | May 23 2025 12:47 utc | 108 “Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 23rd May 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-76d“ Posted by: canuck | May 23 2025 12:52 utc | 109 @ Posted by: Ninhvoi | May 23 2025 12:34 utc | 105 Posted by: jared | May 23 2025 13:03 utc | 110 JamesBond | May 23 2025 12:47 utc | 108 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | May 23 2025 13:35 utc | 111 Posted by: Eighthman | May 23 2025 12:45 utc | 107 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 13:37 utc | 112 JamesBond @108: “It’s not possible to completely subjugate the entire “Borderland” country because they are brainwashed & demented…” Posted by: William Gruff | May 23 2025 13:41 utc | 113 reply to 112 Posted by: Eighthman | May 23 2025 14:07 utc | 114 Posted by: William Gruff | May 23 2025 13:41 utc | 113 Posted by: canuck | May 23 2025 14:13 utc | 115 Individual fascist might be ruined for life, but fascist brainwashing can be undone, at least on whole populations. Think of WWII Germany, Italy and Japan. Think of Chechnya. […] Posted by: malenkov | May 23 2025 14:38 utc | 116 in fact “Ukrainians” really are just degenerate Russians Posted by: Newbie | May 23 2025 14:40 utc | 117 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 13:37 utc | 112 Posted by: Newbie | May 23 2025 14:43 utc | 118 With their king’s LEW 1 and LEW 2 Posted by: frithguild | May 23 2025 14:46 utc | 119 Posted by: Eighthman | May 23 2025 14:07 utc | 114 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 15:23 utc | 120 https://www.flightradar24.com/3a76eccf Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 23 2025 15:29 utc | 121 and the likely implication that Putin wants to find a pretext to do a Minsk III, Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 23 2025 15:41 utc | 122 Gaelach – thanks for your reply. On the subject of Irish unification in general, it’s the practicalities that matter. It’s always the practicalities that matter! Posted by: English Outsider | May 23 2025 15:45 utc | 123 It’s not possible to completely subjugate the entire “Borderland” country because they are brainwashed & demented people to the point that any Russian occupation even for a small amount of time would be bloody & very costly. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 23 2025 15:47 utc | 124 Whatever his physical state nowadays, raising the profile of Zaluzhny’s name in these times risks further fuelling the ire of the discontented frontline commanders in the Ukrainian army, at least those who have survived long enough to remember that Zaluzhny frequently clashed with the Zelensky/Ermak axis, over the former’s belief that the forces under his command should be withdrawn, in an orderly manner, into strongly-reinforced defensible positions, rather than rushing gung-ho to meet the Russians where the Russians were. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 23 2025 16:11 utc | 125 Posted by: Newbie | May 23 2025 14:43 utc | 118 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 16:16 utc | 126 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 23 2025 16:11 utc | 125 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 16:19 utc | 127 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 16:19 utc | 127 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 23 2025 16:27 utc | 128 *** Plus you’re projecting the mindset of a relative minority of ultra-nationalists on the general population. I’d argue that the Ukrainian people are more likely to terrorize the ultra-nationalists — once they no longer have government protection — more than the Russians. It’s not the Russians that kidnapped their husbands, fathers & children to fight a war none of them wanted. Posted by: frithguild | May 23 2025 16:32 utc | 129 #106 Savonarole Posted by: kpax | May 23 2025 16:52 utc | 130 I used to read Indian Punchline but some of the latest takes are…bizarre to say the least. As one example the following excerpt:
Erm, what? Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 23 2025 16:56 utc | 131 ‘– GEROMAN — time will tell – 👀 — Posted by: DunGroanin | May 23 2025 17:24 utc | 132 After Zelensky got zelenskied in the Oval, he fled back to London, into the waiting arms of Sir Keir. Posted by: Newbie | May 23 2025 17:48 utc | 133 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 23 2025 16:56 utc | 131 Posted by: Ninh | May 23 2025 17:50 utc | 134 It’s not the Russians that kidnapped their husbands, fathers & children to fight a war none of them wanted. Posted by: rk | May 23 2025 17:58 utc | 135 So it means Nato can never allow… Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 23 2025 18:07 utc | 136 Kind of adjacent to the earlier issue of the legality of the dissolution of the USSR, what is the current status of the CIS? Is it still an active organisation in any way? Or has it been more or less overtaken by new agreements and alliances, such as BRICS, the SCO, the Eurasian economic alliance etc? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 23 2025 18:38 utc | 137 Prisoner exchange has begun including 120 civilians from Kursk region plus 270 soldiers. Two more rounds likely coming. Posted by: the pessimist | May 23 2025 18:53 utc | 139
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/05/23/iskander-m-otrk-launched-two-missile-strikes-on-the-port-of-odessa Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 23 2025 18:59 utc | 140 @ the pessimist | May 23 2025 18:53 utc | 139
Allegedly, the banderite side’ exchange breakdown is: Posted by: boneless | May 23 2025 19:16 utc | 141 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 23 2025 16:27 utc | 128 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 19:35 utc | 142 Big breakthrough for the Russians to get to the outskirts of Kupyansk, only 1km from the railway tracks into Kupyansk and 2km from the junction of the east-west P07 main supply road with the north-south P79 just before the P07 crosses the Oskil. This threatens to completely cut off the Ukrainian forces on the eastern bank of the Oskil (between Kupyansk and Kolisnykivka) as well as taking Kupyansk. Posted by: Roger Boyd | May 23 2025 19:37 utc | 143 Given the bias of the Vatican in favour of the banderite Kiev regime, it wouldn’t be appropriate for negotiations to take place there. Posted by: HERMIUS | May 23 2025 19:38 utc | 144 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 23 2025 16:56 utc | 131 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 19:40 utc | 145 Posted by: Newbie | May 23 2025 17:48 utc | 133 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 19:42 utc | 146 @144 Posted by: paddy | May 23 2025 19:42 utc | 147 Posted by: Ninh | May 23 2025 17:50 utc | 134 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 19:47 utc | 148 “Putin should, in response, arrange for talks in Beijing.” Lets see if the dictator Zelensky and the rest of the coke heads in the west agree to that, shall we? Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | May 23 2025 19:47 utc | 149 Posted by: HERMIUS | May 23 2025 19:38 utc | 144 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 19:56 utc | 150
Posted by: HERMIUS | May 23 2025 19:38 utc | 144 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 23 2025 19:57 utc | 151 With the first tranche of “POW’s” (or are it abductees?) exchanged, the European Union’s values and virtues are at full display. The fruit and legacy of the intellectually shallow Kalas and Von der Leyen. Posted by: xor | May 23 2025 19:59 utc | 152 Pyongyang is surely a much more suitable venue… Posted by: HERMIUS | May 23 2025 19:59 utc | 153 Ukrainian losses for the week May 17th to May 23rd, as reported by the Russian defence ministry: Posted by: Roger Boyd | May 23 2025 20:38 utc | 154 Even in the annals of Russophobia, Friedrich “uses the small spoon” Mertz’s actions are insidious: boneless Mertz insists that China back the European peace plan for the end of hostilities in Ukraine, as laid out by the Coalition of the Sniffing, which is a barely disguised demand for Russia to capitulate to Ukraine. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 23 2025 22:45 utc | 155 (Без темы) Posted by: Rutte | May 24 2025 1:52 utc | 156 Messaging attributable to Zaluzhny, who some believe never completely recovered from a brain injury suffered in combat in April 2023, drives the news-cycle right now. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 24 2025 2:07 utc | 157 Inventing Ukraine (doc) Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 24 2025 3:04 utc | 158 I’m not a MAGA, but to all the TDS and “moderate objectivisers” out there, like Brian Berletic, who keep saying that Trump is no different to Joe, that he’s all hot air, that it’s just the same — NO it isn’t. Posted by: Get Real | May 24 2025 7:14 utc | 159 Posted by: Get Real | May 24 2025 7:14 utc | 159 Posted by: Milites | May 24 2025 8:12 utc | 160 Posted by: William Gruff | May 23 2025 13:41 utc | 113 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 24 2025 8:42 utc | 162
Yes, the borderlands will cease to exist as a state. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 24 2025 8:51 utc | 163 Re: German leader Merz Posted by: Exile | May 24 2025 10:19 utc | 164 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 24 2025 8:42 utc | 164 Posted by: Milites | May 24 2025 10:36 utc | 165 Posted by: Simon | May 24 2025 11:21 utc | 172 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 24 2025 11:49 utc | 166 Telegram founder Pavel Durov continues to reveal details of French interference in the Romanian presidential election. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 24 2025 12:02 utc | 167 Posted by: Simon | May 24 2025 11:16 utc | 171 Posted by: Milites | May 24 2025 12:08 utc | 168 S has a new post Posted by: Newbie | May 24 2025 12:15 utc | 169 Posted by: Milites | May 24 2025 12:08 utc | 175 Posted by: Newbie | May 24 2025 12:18 utc | 170 There are not many stories of tribal warfare amongst Australian Aboriginals. New Guinea yes, but not so much in Australia. Again sparsely populated and at the end of the most recent ice age, no external pressures until the arrival of Europeans, although there was some exchange between Indonesia and the far North Posted by: watcher | May 24 2025 12:24 utc | 171 Scuttlebutt has it that the Russian Navy has already formed-up convoys to escort Russian ships transporting oil, even if those ships are flying under non-Russian flags: they are Russian cargo ships, insured by Russia’s maritime insurance industry, regardless of flag. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 24 2025 12:58 utc | 172 Posted by: Milites | May 24 2025 10:36 utc | 169 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 24 2025 13:20 utc | 173 Posted by: Get Real | May 24 2025 7:14 utc | 159 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 24 2025 13:22 utc | 174 Well-spoken Lavrov on the essence of (non-Russian) Ukraine:
https://karlof1.substack.com/p/lavrov-at-the-ambassadorial-conference Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 24 2025 14:22 utc | 175 the story of history is how these base instincts have been suppressed or re-directed so that we progressed from societies that were exclusively built on these primal emotions. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 24 2025 15:10 utc | 176 Money God JPMorgan Chase is forecasting that the war will end in July 2025 and that whatever’s left of Ukraine will migrate to the Russian sphere of interest. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 24 2025 15:22 utc | 177 Money God JPMorgan Chase is forecasting that the war will end in July 2025 and that whatever’s left of Ukraine will migrate to the Russian sphere of interest. Posted by: Newbie | May 24 2025 15:36 utc | 178 Eric “White Stork” Schmidt is storkin’ it-! Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 24 2025 16:12 utc | 179 This shouldn’t be unexpected from the Neo-Nazi dictatorship in Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 24 2025 18:41 utc | 180 Posted by: Get Real | May 24 2025 7:14 utc | 159 Posted by: joey_n | May 24 2025 20:49 utc | 181 Well, it remains to be seen what Trump does next – not just with Russia, but also with China, Iran, Palestine and BRICS. For now, I remain cynical. Posted by: joey_n | May 25 2025 8:06 utc | 182 Don’t be hurt by the little things people have done to you in the past, joey. Focus on the present day, bigger picture, for a better future outcome. Diplomacy is not a fixed art. It allows for change. You should too. Posted by: NoName | May 25 2025 9:51 utc | 183 https://www.flightradar24.com/3a7db441 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 25 2025 11:06 utc | 184 Posted by: Get Real | May 24 2025 23:49 utc | 190 Posted by: Badjoke | May 25 2025 11:46 utc | 185 Posted by: Badjoke | May 25 2025 11:46 utc | 194 Posted by: canuck | May 25 2025 12:11 utc | 186 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 24 2025 15:10 utc | 184 Posted by: Milites | May 25 2025 16:16 utc | 187 |
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