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May 18, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-108
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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It would be great if we keep this thread “short and to the point”, i.e. Ukraine battlefield facts. Posted by: Emi | May 18 2025 12:31 utc | 1
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 18 2025 12:35 utc | 2 From the previous thread: Posted by: LogosApplied | May 18 2025 12:40 utc | 3 friedrich “cocain-train” merzler:
our best, bravest and smartest person in germany. a total idiot. or propagandist. i wonder if that thing can be sued for volksverhetzung, propaganda, and general stupidity. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 18 2025 12:58 utc | 4 our best, bravest and smartest person in germany. a total idiot. or propagandist. i wonder if that thing can be sued for volksverhetzung, propaganda, and general stupidity. Posted by: Leipziger | May 18 2025 13:26 utc | 6 Nachtrag: Posted by: Leipziger | May 18 2025 13:33 utc | 7 Posted by: Leipziger | May 18 2025 13:33 utc | 7 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 18 2025 13:42 utc | 8 With Sec Rubio leaning over the Resolute Desk beside him, DJT looks down at the map where Russian Forces are liberating strings of villages, hamlets and small communities. The names—-Bogatyr, Komar—-conjure nothing for him. These places are Flyover Country as far as he’s concerned: they’re not Kiev, so they’re forgettable, hardly worth his time. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 14:02 utc | 9 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 16th May 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-5d7 Posted by: The Busker | May 18 2025 14:09 utc | 10 The objective is to simply freeze this conflict so they can divert their limited resources to focus on China. Russia should not take the bait. Regardless, there cannot be good-will or financial incentives to resolve this conflict because russian blood has been spilled by these for-profit international capitalists. The biggest slap on the russian face is to allow these capitalists to profit by clicking buttons on a computer and making decisions without having any real risk but willfully causing the death of many Russians. Posted by: Chester Doraemon | May 18 2025 14:20 utc | 11 Maybe DJT should sanction himself-? Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 14:34 utc | 12 The Guardian says: ‘Between a mathematician and a Trump-loving hooligan’: Romania’s stark presidential choice Posted by: frithguild | May 18 2025 14:39 utc | 13 Tit for tat in tanker wars: Posted by: ockham | May 18 2025 14:44 utc | 14 Re: Justpassinby | May 18 2025 12:58 utc | 4 Posted by: Perimetr | May 18 2025 14:46 utc | 15 Nobody tries to draw conclusions and learn, but on the contrary, they continue to repeat the same mistakes over and over again, without regard for losses,” he complains. Posted by: jpc | May 18 2025 14:59 utc | 16 from telegrams pavel durov:
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 18 2025 15:03 utc | 17 Normality had come back. https://t.me/boris_rozhin/165190 Posted by: ostrr | May 18 2025 15:21 utc | 18 Ockham 14 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 18 2025 15:24 utc | 19 The Baltic/Estonia situation is one to watch as Russia simply cannot afford any type of blockade of the Baltic. I suspect a show of force will be required against NATO unlike Ukraine. Posted by: silverfoxes | May 18 2025 15:39 utc | 20 Ukraine is history,, another couple of years and Russia will be on Polish borders, sailing its ships from Oddessa.. western sanctions will have been doubled..and BRICS will be the new eastern trading venue.. Posted by: snake | May 18 2025 16:07 utc | 21 Posted by: silverfoxes | May 18 2025 15:39 utc | 20 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 16:14 utc | 22 @21 Posted by: paddy | May 18 2025 16:25 utc | 23 Steel, Posted by: silverfoxes | May 18 2025 16:29 utc | 24 *** It would be very weird to see Russia onboarding some Ansar Allah mercs to launch hypersonics from Kaliningrad @ a U.S. aircraft carrier that had made its way to the Baltic, cruising for a bruising, for instance. *** Posted by: frithguild | May 18 2025 16:41 utc | 25 I guess Anonymous will skip the day even DS gives 15.2 km2 and that on a low 1.300s day Posted by: Newbie | May 18 2025 16:51 utc | 26 Today’s headline: “Vance & Zelensky Repair Relationship In ‘Good’ Vatican Meeting” Posted by: Moonraker | May 18 2025 16:53 utc | 27 “Trump policy on Ukraine is indistinguishable from Biden policy.” Posted by: canuck | May 18 2025 16:57 utc | 28 I have heard it said that whoever the US votes for as President, they still end up with John McCain’s foreign policy. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 18 2025 17:02 utc | 29
True. I wonder if this wasn’t a trap because that ship while leaving Sillamae could have stayed in Estonian territorial waters instead of venturing into Russian territorial waters. In the end Kaliningrad could be provisioned by sea through international waters but Russia bound ships coming from or heading to the Atlantic can be seized in Danish waters. There are alternative northern ports of course but the impact shouldn’t be underestimated. Posted by: xor | May 18 2025 17:09 utc | 30 Ockham 14 Posted by: Peery | May 18 2025 17:11 utc | 31 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 18 2025 17:02 utc | 29 Posted by: lex talionis | May 18 2025 17:13 utc | 32 Posted by: Moonraker | May 18 2025 16:53 utc | 27 Posted by: Paco | May 18 2025 17:16 utc | 33 After Ukraine there are no more of those left. Posted by: rk | May 18 2025 17:22 utc | 34 Posted by: Moonraker | May 18 2025 16:53 utc | 27 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 17:37 utc | 35
if you consider how the “ukraine” has swiftly changed its religion from orthodoxy to a “fake orthodox” church under a new lead and its adaption of more catholic religious holidays and all that after the maidan, you can see that this is just another cultural genocide commited by the west. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 18 2025 17:56 utc | 36 Looking forward to the Black Sea being renamed to Posted by: PubliusFlavious | May 18 2025 18:10 utc | 37 The warmongering Neo-Nazi loving EU bigwigs – apply more sanctions to Russia and its trading partners, the EU is ran by monsters who support genocide and Neo-Nazism, horrible people indeed. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 18 2025 18:15 utc | 38 supporting islamist terrorists in Sahel. Posted by: Truemoon | May 18 2025 18:16 utc | 39 re: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 17:37 utc | 35 Posted by: Perimetr | May 18 2025 18:19 utc | 40 re: PubliusFlavious | May 18 2025 18:10 utc | 37 Posted by: Perimetr | May 18 2025 18:23 utc | 41 We know why the Trump admin loves Germany’s AfD party see below. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 18 2025 18:24 utc | 42 @40 Posted by: paddy | May 18 2025 18:26 utc | 43
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-learned-helplessness-2795326 Posted by: persiflo | May 18 2025 18:28 utc | 44 If you include individual sanctions against EU persons living in Russia, you can easily boost the sanction numbers. The uncanny thing, these are purely administrative EU measures, no court decisions at all, but they will result in automatical confiscation of assets (if they have not been moved out), what you do for convicted criminals. No assets in the EU means you cannot pay lawyers to sue. Posted by: Teraspol | May 18 2025 18:34 utc | 45
When I was younger, I didn’t really get the sense of building a medieval castle for domination of an area when no ranged weapons were available. I still haven’t resolved this completely. If anyone here can point me at a relevant text, that would be great. Posted by: persiflo | May 18 2025 18:40 utc | 46
Losses? Those are not losses. Those are expenditures. You have to spend to earn your money. Ukrop lives are cheap and getting cheaper so to get some revenue you need to spend lots of them.
Those generals are not stupid. They are businessmen. They have a client and a factory, the factory churns out consumables, the client authorize bank transfers and it provides a lot of materiel as well. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 18 2025 18:55 utc | 47 Paco @ 33
Indeed, and a rare opportunity was missed to have chosen the name “Mickey” – Pope Mickey the First. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 18 2025 18:56 utc | 48 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 18 2025 12:35 utc | 2 Posted by: Abe | May 18 2025 18:57 utc | 49 *** [Learned helplessness] *** Posted by: frithguild | May 18 2025 19:01 utc | 50 @frithguild – me, an error? argh. I’ll have to refuse that, as I was only throwing a log onto the fire of further explanation. If had went for the bullseye instead, I would surely have announced it! /s Posted by: persiflo | May 18 2025 19:28 utc | 51 @Posted by: Paco | May 18 2025 17:16 utc | 33 Posted by: Shahmaran | May 18 2025 19:34 utc | 52 https://www.flightradar24.com/RRR4954/3a64ae74 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 18 2025 19:39 utc | 53 @Posted by: persiflo | May 18 2025 18:40 utc | 46 Posted by: Shahmaran | May 18 2025 19:41 utc | 54 The twisting of reality is getting interesting. Below is a quote from a ZH piece
Give the rift between Rome and the Russian orthodox church in addition to the persecution of the Russian orthodox in Ukraine makes this proposal laughable and Rubio claiming it was acceptable to Russia, I believe is a flat out lie. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 18 2025 20:02 utc | 55 canuck | May 18 2025 16:57 utc | 28 Posted by: Moonraker | May 18 2025 20:03 utc | 56 I had heard chatter that Hamas asked for food to be let in for Edan Alexander, this might be Witcoff delivering. Too early to tell if this will actually arrest the starvation. Posted by: ockham | May 18 2025 20:04 utc | 57 Does it boil down to Zelensky’s willingness to martyr his population & destroy their country in service to the U.S.-led NATO’s war aims-? Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 18 2025 20:04 utc | 58 Zelenskyy Calls For Pressure on Russia During 1st Face-to-Face Meeting With Carney Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 18 2025 20:06 utc | 59 Posted by: Shahmaran | May 18 2025 19:41 utc | 54 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 20:14 utc | 61 Wonder what happens when the Azov battalions finally realize that Zelensky (and all his “friends”) are trying to get them all killed… Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 18 2025 20:14 utc | 62 Posted by: Moonraker | May 18 2025 20:03 utc | 56 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 20:20 utc | 63 *** But can we call it a feature and not a bug, when the effect is invisible to those locked into denial? *** Posted by: frithguild | May 18 2025 20:24 utc | 64 @ persiflo | May 18 2025 18:40 utc | 46
A castle, the stone kind, was very much impenetrable for a long while. Might sound obvious, but that’s the point. Posted by: boneless | May 18 2025 20:28 utc | 65 nytimes stirring the pot a bit—an above-the-fold headline in the Sunday edition: Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 20:28 utc | 66 Further to #59 & Knight of Malta Carney’s reported bilateral with Fuhrer Merz in Rome: Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 18 2025 20:30 utc | 67 Carney is being coy because recent polls indicate domestic support for ‘Project Ukraine’ is low among the domestic public. Canada is de facto if not officially, a member of the ‘Coalition of the Willing’. Curiously unmentioned in this CBC article is the bilateral meeting Carney apparently held with Germany’s Chancellor Friedrich Merz, reported elsewhere. Posted by: Original Newbie | May 18 2025 20:39 utc | 68 Posted by: boneless | May 18 2025 20:28 utc | 65 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 20:41 utc | 69 “Third Battle for Kherson?” (???????????????) Posted by: WMG | May 18 2025 20:41 utc | 70 Forgot to mention above that Canada’s PM, as well as being a Knight of Malta is also a member of the Bilderberg Group, originally formed by the Nazi collaborator Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. This has obvious relevancy to Canada’s ‘all in’ support for Project Ukraine. Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 18 2025 20:43 utc | 71 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 20:20 utc | 63 Posted by: Milites | May 18 2025 20:47 utc | 72 *** You build it among a bunch of villages and small towns and you can do whatever you want with them – raid, pillage, demand tribute. By the time those locals form a force to retaliate, you’ll be hold up safely inside. *** Posted by: frithguild | May 18 2025 20:56 utc | 73
I have been wondering for a while if this kind of data is one of the major remaining war aims of the West. IOW, how do you get a country to fight for the last Ukrainian? Posted by: persiflo | May 18 2025 20:58 utc | 74 Posted by: boneless | May 18 2025 20:28 utc | 65 Posted by: Milites | May 18 2025 21:17 utc | 75 Posted by: WMG | May 18 2025 20:41 utc | 70 Posted by: Milites | May 18 2025 21:24 utc | 76 Posted by: persiflo | May 18 2025 20:58 utc | 74 Posted by: Milites | May 18 2025 21:30 utc | 77 Ukrainian neo-Nazi group Right Sector is set to sign a formal cooperation agreement with a coalition of Russian separatists. The two groups plan to join forces to establish paramilitary units to fight at the front and also stoke social unrest in order to destabilize Russia. Posted by: Jo | May 18 2025 21:39 utc | 78 Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 18 2025 18:24 utc | 42 Posted by: Paranaense | May 18 2025 21:50 utc | 80 Posted by: Jo | May 18 2025 21:39 utc | 78 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 18 2025 22:24 utc | 81 If Russia retaliates by destroying ships attempting to confiscate their oil cargoes, and/or gives the Houthis lots of missiles, the stock markets will experience panic, panic driven purchasing will spike inflation, and everyone will want to stock up on oil, gas, and coal, reserves. Posted by: Babel-17 | May 18 2025 22:40 utc | 82 Steel yourself for a shock. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 22:42 utc | 83 In a statement on Saturday, the so-called Coalition of Indigenous Peoples, which openly advocates for the disintegration of Russia into multiple fragmented states……. Posted by: HERMIUS | May 18 2025 22:42 utc | 84 Jo | May 18 2025 21:39 utc | 78 Posted by: Cynic | May 18 2025 22:44 utc | 85 In a statement on Saturday, the so-called Coalition of Indigenous Peoples, which openly advocates for the disintegration of Russia into multiple fragmented Posted by: frithguild | May 18 2025 22:54 utc | 86 Posted by: Cynic | May 18 2025 22:44 utc | 85 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 18 2025 22:56 utc | 87
They should hold off on that until after the liberation on Constantinople, an event predicted by St Kosmas: https://byzantineprophecy.com/2020/01/03/first-blog-post/ Posted by: Drifter | May 18 2025 22:57 utc | 88
It doesn’t have to make military sense. Not only is the Romanian Air Force 57th Air Base, Mihail Kogalniceanu, in Constanta easy Oreshnik fodder, the planned deployment of 10,000 men is a joke, based on the scale of the conflict. The important thing is that the expansion is a $2.7 billion project. Some people will make a lot of money off this folly. Posted by: Drifter | May 18 2025 23:13 utc | 89 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 18 2025 22:56 utc | 87 Posted by: Cynic | May 18 2025 23:31 utc | 90 Drifter | May 18 2025 23:13 utc | 89 Posted by: Cynic | May 18 2025 23:40 utc | 91 Regardless of respect levels which the U.S. may feel toward Russia and Russia may feel toward the U.S., the fact is that these adversaries are faced-off in a diametrically-opposed stance, with no alignment in their respective aims. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 19 2025 0:08 utc | 92 I’ve wondered often what’s going to happen when all those soldiers come back from the front. Even if they signed on voluntarily, the things they’ve seen, done, and seen done will make it extremely difficult to integrate them back into civilian society. Posted by: Geronticus | May 19 2025 0:21 utc | 93 It’s the beginning of the end: Russia’s taking of ground is accelerating right along the front line. Ukrainian forces are crumbling. Posted by: George | May 19 2025 0:58 utc | 94
Consider the historical precedents. The end of WW2 in North America saw, among many factors, an entire generation of men toughened by war and unwilling to put up with the usual capitalist bullshit. All sorts of “compromises” took place, including the establishment of basic labour relations law, the so-called Rand Formula, and so on. Posted by: NH | May 19 2025 1:19 utc | 95 I’ve wondered often what’s going to happen when all those soldiers come back from the front. Even if they signed on voluntarily, the things they’ve seen, done, and seen done will make it extremely difficult to integrate them back into civilian society. Posted by: forceOfHabit | May 19 2025 1:43 utc | 96
You got to know when to hold ’em, know when to fold ’em Posted by: Drifter | May 19 2025 1:53 utc | 97 steel_porcupine | May 18 2025 20:20 utc | 63 Posted by: Moonraker | May 19 2025 2:04 utc | 98 “Well at least DJT knew when it was time to run away from the Red Sea before he lost a carrier. Posted by: George | May 19 2025 2:10 utc | 99 Geronticus | May 19 2025 0:21 utc | 94 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 19 2025 2:13 utc | 100 |
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