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May 15, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-105
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Paraphrasing the Emily Dickinson poem: Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 15 2025 18:57 utc | 101 Posted by: Stark | May 15 2025 16:22 utc | 62 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 15 2025 19:02 utc | 102
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He’s basically better than every American and NATO Commander on the planet. He has led successful peer operations. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 15 2025 19:02 utc | 103 I tend to agree with some Russian analysts saying how sending Medinskii is basically sabotaging the peace talks. The one logical reason for this is Russia somehow knew what Ukraine is bringing to the table (1991 borders, unconditional withdrawal, usual tantrum) and minimising the damage. Or Russia thinks that it will get better conditions if it continues to fight. Same for the Ukraine. Basically a show for Trump from both sides. “Welp we tried but no dice, back to killings”. Posted by: happytoad | May 15 2025 19:10 utc | 104 Posted by: CullenBaker | May 15 2025 18:44 utc | 95 Posted by: JB | May 15 2025 19:14 utc | 105 Why does every football match look the same nowadays and Follow certain patterns ? Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 15 2025 19:21 utc | 106 WTF is wrong with these people. Posted by: HB_Norica | May 15 2025 19:22 utc | 107 Except…the negotiation will have to hang-fire until tomorrow. Which means The Empty Chair gets nullified. Posted by: wagelaborer | May 15 2025 19:31 utc | 108 As we survey the geopolitical landscape right now, it’s important to keep in mind that the False Flag of Bucha provided the pretext for deep-sixing the original Istanbul agreement in early April 2022. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 15 2025 19:47 utc | 109 Posted by: CullenBaker | May 15 2025 18:44 utc | 95 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 15 2025 19:52 utc | 110 HB_Norica@107….with no international warrants out for his arrest….Tiny Dancer is free to travel the world on a whim….and as Trump did point out, not much happening without him present, in person. Zelinski on the other hand is well past his best before date….I’d never negotiate with such belligerent bags of shit, I’d tapped them in order starting with Zman and then every belligerent Ukie bastard, right down to the last one…. basically backwards from the Russian plan to just kill Ukie press ganged grunts…..such joy this attrition stuff…..maybe it’s Russia’s plan, kill all the Ukies save the Ukie regime….weird shit. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 15 2025 19:58 utc | 111 “GROUPTHINK” indeed, just like certain Modern Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 15 2025 20:10 utc | 112 Just a little reminder of the origins of the Ukrainian Nazi Ideology and its Leader backed by the US/NATO led West Posted by: Don Firineach | May 15 2025 20:14 utc | 113 Posted by: Oldengineer | May 15 2025 16:40 utc | 68 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 15 2025 20:34 utc | 114 Ukrainian Man in London charged with arson over attacks on properties linked to Starmer Posted by: Aslangeo | May 15 2025 20:39 utc | 115 steel_porcupine | May 15 2025 18:52 utc | 99 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 15 2025 20:47 utc | 116 Posted by: Aslangeo | May 15 2025 20:39 utc | 115 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 15 2025 21:00 utc | 117 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 15 2025 21:00 utc | 117 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 15 2025 21:03 utc | 118 America created Al Qaeda. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 15 2025 21:08 utc | 119 Russia Proposes Istanbul Talks Begin Friday Morning: LIVE UPDATES Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 15 2025 21:19 utc | 120 I’ll just note how ridiculous these upcoming peace negotiations are. Nobody wants them, except Trump. Russia does not want them, it’s winning on the battlefield. Ukraine does not want them for internal political reasons. EU does not want them, they’d rather Ukraine keep fighting as long as possible. US congress probably does not want it, hawks are in majority in the Senate (see the proposed mega sanction package). Posted by: fubarbazqux | May 15 2025 21:25 utc | 121
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 15 2025 21:08 utc | 119
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 15 2025 21:03 utc | 118 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 15 2025 21:29 utc | 122 Tom_Q_Collins | May 15 2025 21:03 utc | 118 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 15 2025 21:42 utc | 123 “The longer it takes, the less territory the Kiev regime has left.” Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 15 2025 21:48 utc | 124 “In the Spring of 2022, you could have retained physical possession of Donbass, all you had to do was agree to civic and cultural autonomy for the Russian-aligned population who lived there. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 15 2025 22:05 utc | 125 comedy or…..not???? Posted by: Jo | May 15 2025 22:07 utc | 126 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 15 2025 20:47 utc | 116 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 15 2025 22:12 utc | 127 steel_porcupine | May 15 2025 17:54 utc | 82
VVP is acting on the basis of Churchill’s maxim in negotiating with the organ grinder, not the monkey (I imagine Churchill was the ‘monkey’ whenever the Big Three met). Posted by: S.P. Korolev | May 15 2025 22:19 utc | 128 Another take on the second act of the Istanbul babblefest: Posted by: Jiri Severa | May 15 2025 22:45 utc | 129 Can someone please give me a link or a reference to a time where Zelensky has called for nuclear bombing of Russia ( or anywhere else ) ? Posted by: arthur brogard | May 15 2025 22:56 utc | 130 Posted by: DunGroanin | May 15 2025 12:53 utc | 9 Posted by: Bearish Panda | May 15 2025 22:58 utc | 131 Posted by: Stark | May 15 2025 16:22 utc | 62 Posted by: George | May 15 2025 23:02 utc | 132 Anti-Russian sentiment. A quote from US WW2 General George S. Patton: Posted by: George | May 15 2025 23:33 utc | 133 Trump lied about Syria. He invaded Syria. He sanctioned Syria. Then had the nerve to say Syria had been through so much and now must be rebuilt and prosper. He’s a neocon. Maybe not by inclination, but his lack of empathy and being easily influenced due to his lack of intellectual stamina or interest or skill has him a Neocon. Posted by: Cheney | May 15 2025 23:33 utc | 134 Not seeing anything ridiculous. Posted by: Wise Jury | May 15 2025 23:44 utc | 135 @ HB_Norica | May 15 2025 19:22 utc | 107 Posted by: boneless | May 15 2025 23:49 utc | 136 Posted by: Cheney | May 15 2025 23:33 utc | 135 Posted by: George | May 15 2025 23:50 utc | 137
@ Jo | May 15 2025 22:07 utc | 126 Posted by: boneless | May 15 2025 23:52 utc | 138 Posted by: Cheney | May 15 2025 23:33 utc | 135 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 15 2025 23:53 utc | 139 HB_Norica | May 15 2025 19:22 utc | 107 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 15 2025 23:56 utc | 140 @ arthur brogard | May 15 2025 22:56 utc | 130 Posted by: boneless | May 15 2025 23:58 utc | 141 “You don’t get to become the leader of the Empire if you’re compassionate or focused on justice. Those things get weeded out early in the process.” Posted by: George | May 16 2025 0:04 utc | 142 Exile | May 15 2025 17:17 utc | 74 Posted by: Cynic | May 16 2025 0:05 utc | 143 Posted by: Wise Jury | May 15 2025 23:44 utc | 136 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 16 2025 0:06 utc | 144 Posted by: George | May 16 2025 0:04 utc | 143 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 16 2025 0:09 utc | 145
Yes, Trump, like nearly all politicians, is a compulsive liar. Thing is, he’s not even a very good liar. Obvious, crude, not at all clever, his lies are transparent for all to see, delivered with all the subtlety of a mafia hit man. And yet, a large percentage of Americans buy into them, hook, line and sinker. Posted by: Mike R | May 16 2025 0:12 utc | 146 “You don’t get to become the leader of the Empire if you’re compassionate or focused on justice. Those things get weeded out early in the process.” Posted by: Newbie | May 16 2025 0:15 utc | 147 “The Empire, not “every Empire”.” Posted by: George | May 16 2025 0:26 utc | 148 wagelaborer | May 15 2025 19:31 utc | 108 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 16 2025 0:31 utc | 149 Russia and Z have a common ground on Istanbul negotiations. Feel both want it to fail because Russian smo goals not fully met and Z lose Presidency with peace and his life too in danger. Interesting President Trump response. If President Putin can convince Trump to walk away Russia gets Odessa. Or wait for the next round of hostilities down the line to take it. @ Michael J | May 16 2025 0:37 utc | 151 Posted by: boneless | May 16 2025 0:43 utc | 151 Tom_Q_Collins | May 15 2025 21:03 utc | 118 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 16 2025 0:48 utc | 152 No worries. Posted by: Trubind1 | May 16 2025 1:00 utc | 153 Posted by: Mike R | May 16 2025 0:12 utc | 147 Posted by: Badjoke | May 16 2025 1:02 utc | 154 Posted by: Newbie | May 15 2025 13:21 utc | 17 Posted by: snake | May 16 2025 1:47 utc | 155 Posted by: arthur brogard | May 15 2025 23:08 utc | 133 Posted by: watcher | May 16 2025 1:53 utc | 156 I am sure i have posted this before but i will repeat. Posted by: watcher | May 16 2025 2:02 utc | 157 re the dropkick May 16 2025 0:09 utc | 146 Posted by: Debsisdead | May 16 2025 2:14 utc | 158 And what about Surovikin? Posted by: Melaleuca | May 16 2025 2:35 utc | 159 He’s basically better than every American and NATO Commander on the planet. He has led successful peer operations. Posted by: arthur brogard | May 16 2025 3:18 utc | 160 I found the Medhurst’s vid on the topic, the video is in the beginning. Posted by: arthur brogard | May 16 2025 3:26 utc | 161 US/UK political maneuver. I am just not sure exactly when he was turned. Posted by: arthur brogard | May 16 2025 3:28 utc | 162 RT: Ukraine won’t survive a decade of conflict – Zelensky Posted by: Melaleuca | May 16 2025 3:42 utc | 163 Some are apologetic about duplicate posts. Posted by: Barstool | May 16 2025 3:46 utc | 164 Posted by: watcher | May 16 2025 2:02 utc | 158 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 16 2025 3:48 utc | 165 I see that england’s anti-terror thugs have arrested someone for chucking molotov cocktails at starmer’s Nth London house as well as a car which had belonged to Starmer as well as the entrance of one of the apartments he lets out to people caught in London’s hugely expensive & exploitative accommodation market. Posted by: Debsisdead | May 16 2025 3:58 utc | 166 chucking molotov cocktails at starmer’s
Posted by: too scents | May 16 2025 4:17 utc | 167 RT:
Thus far however, Kiev’s backers have failed to agree on its exact goals, mission, or shape. Posted by: Melaleuca | May 16 2025 4:30 utc | 168 But where does this hatred of Russia come from? Posted by: Saul Goode | May 16 2025 4:41 utc | 169 -John Mearsheimer has a very interesting view on the war in the Ukraine and its ending. He thinks that Russia wants a negociated settlement to the war and a new security arragement for Europe. Whereas the US seems to be in a hurry to end the hostilities. And then the US can move on to their next target called China. Posted by: WMG | May 16 2025 7:17 utc | 170 AFU claims they lost an F-16 colliding with a Russian UAV. However, maybe they’re just whitewashing one that was shot down by a missile. Posted by: unimperator | May 16 2025 7:20 utc | 171 And then the US can move on to their next target called China Posted by: Night Tripper | May 16 2025 7:20 utc | 172 Trade deals are being hammered out Posted by: rk | May 16 2025 7:57 utc | 173 Posted by: unimperator | May 16 2025 7:20 utc | 172 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 16 2025 7:58 utc | 174
100 % Posted by: Avtonom | May 16 2025 8:01 utc | 175 “I’m surprised that they admitted it was a pro-Ukraine perp. In the future they’ll probably try to tie these attacks in with the narrative about EU-wide “Russian sabotage/terror.”” Posted by: Apollyon | May 16 2025 8:03 utc | 176 Yes, China is planning something with Russia, but is India also supposed to be involved? Posted by: Speddy Conz | May 16 2025 8:20 utc | 177
a trade embargo. huh. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 16 2025 8:33 utc | 178
The EU better be careful not to make such threats too loudly … more and more countries might also demand to be expelled. Posted by: Tel | May 16 2025 9:03 utc | 179 Posted by: Justpassinby | May 16 2025 8:33 utc | 180 Posted by: Peedy | May 16 2025 9:08 utc | 180 Here’s how Ben Wallace, the UK’s former Sec of State for Defense, reports Project Ukraine’s reality in his morning op-ed today for the Telegraph: Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 16 2025 9:30 utc | 181 Posted by: Peedy | May 16 2025 9:08 utc | 182 Posted by: Badjoke | May 16 2025 9:38 utc | 182 Posted by: watcher | May 16 2025 2:02 utc | 158
In real estate, just like in any asset management, there’s thing I call buying period where ones with monetary resources can acquire properties cheaper. This of course means the buying period must eventually come to an end to make any gains from it.
This is essentially the strategic move Kissinger used to win the cold war so it’s understandable why Trump would like to replicate it. However, that ship has sailed. It has been pretty clearly stated that any improved relationship with U.S. must not come at expense of strategic relationship with either one. Posted by: Sekava Seppo | May 16 2025 9:46 utc | 183 RT:
https://www.rt.com/news/617644-us-sanctions-russia-oil-pipeline/ Posted by: Melaleuca | May 16 2025 10:03 utc | 184 Erdogan today reminded everyone that Crimea is part of Ukraine . Posted by: Night Tripper | May 16 2025 10:12 utc | 185 “Interestingly, I think the City of London is still the only jurisdiction in the world that allows unlimited re-hypothecation of banking assets.” Posted by: canuck | May 16 2025 10:52 utc | 186 Thank you Melaleuca for the interesting development re: CPC consortium. Posted by: ockham | May 16 2025 11:04 utc | 187 Quitting with Ansar Allah/Yemen and pulling the B2s from Diego Garcia are good signs. Posted by: rk | May 16 2025 11:23 utc | 188 “Poland has no plans to send its military to Ukraine in any role, the country’s top officials have said” Posted by: malenkov | May 16 2025 11:39 utc | 189 “RT: Posted by: malenkov | May 16 2025 11:41 utc | 190 Erdogan today reminded everyone that Crimea is part of Ukraine . Posted by: Silent Waves | May 16 2025 12:00 utc | 191 malenkov | May 16 2025 11:39 utc | 191 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 16 2025 12:01 utc | 192 The Ukrainians insist on three points for the negotiations. All of them are ridiculous and proof that Kiev is either insane or just says random things in total disconnect with reality (which is also a form of insanity). Posted by: RWA | May 16 2025 12:13 utc | 193 DS daily update: https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4383200/32.0526800 Posted by: Anonymous | May 16 2025 12:15 utc | 194 Nazi: “We’re losing, but not very fast! Yay for us!” Posted by: William Gruff | May 16 2025 12:23 utc | 195 JMR, 125: Posted by: Anonymous | May 16 2025 12:28 utc | 196 They really do have no narrative leverage left, huh. Same old ancient bullshit nobody cares about anymore. Posted by: boneless | May 16 2025 12:30 utc | 197 ‘Reuters has a quick snap that a Ukrainian diplomatic source has told the news agency Russia’s demands in Istanbul are unrealistic and go far beyond anything previously discussed.’ Posted by: Night Tripper | May 16 2025 12:32 utc | 198 Posted by: William Gruff | May 16 2025 12:23 utc | 197 Posted by: Anonymous | May 16 2025 12:36 utc | 199 Narcofurher has not withdrawn the ban on negotiating with Russia yet either, making these negotiations illegal. Quite a few implications in that. Pathetic all around. Posted by: boneless | May 16 2025 12:41 utc | 200 |
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