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May 11, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-102
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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can anyone tell me Putin’s security plan..I think peace is coming to Ukraine whether Sleezensky wants it or not, but Ukraine is not the problem for Russia, the problem is the collective west wants to use Ukraine as a base to destroy Russia, and to take its resources.. Posted by: snake | May 12 2025 3:25 utc | 201 Re: Posted by: Paranaense | May 12 2025 0:00 utc | 177
Posted by: Julian | May 12 2025 3:33 utc | 202 Re: Posted by: snake | May 12 2025 3:25 utc | 201 Posted by: Julian | May 12 2025 3:47 utc | 203 @ 176 Posted by: Suresh | May 12 2025 4:13 utc | 204 I don’t think Trump will care one way or another, he has washed his hands of it.. Posted by: acementhead | May 12 2025 4:18 utc | 205 RE: Posted by: Michael J | May 12 2025 2:58 utc | 200 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 4:27 utc | 206 Interesting snippet of a press conference Posted by: Melaleuca | May 12 2025 4:47 utc | 207 Re: “ Fico said the EU’s stance was pushing the region closer to prolonged conflict with Russia.” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 5:00 utc | 208 14th Annual Meeting Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 5:27 utc | 209 Posted by: Oui | May 11 2025 19:20 utc | 132 Posted by: Mario | May 12 2025 6:32 utc | 210 Putin’s idea to have peace talks with ukrops in Istambul is really good. Posted by: rk | May 12 2025 6:40 utc | 211 https://www.turkiyetoday.com/world/russia-alleges-macron-merz-and-starmer-had-cocaine-party-in-kyiv-in-a-veiled-statemen-3201276 Posted by: Moscow Exile | May 12 2025 6:45 utc | 212 It’s amazing how Doctor Eleven through the way he writes and expresses himself with similar childish diatribe, so much resembles the recently blocked troll William. Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 7:07 utc | 213 Re: Posted by: snake | May 12 2025 3:25 utc | 201 Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 7:29 utc | 214 11 MAY, 16:31 Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 7:39 utc | 215 11 MAY, 16:31 Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 7:41 utc | 216 Busted Live Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 8:18 utc | 217 what is it about this silly mix of words – ceasefire – negotiation – pre-condition …??? Posted by: ghiwen | May 12 2025 8:31 utc | 218 It raises an awkward but important question: how long can a state claim land as its own, by constitutional decree, while failing to actually control it? Posted by: rk | May 12 2025 8:37 utc | 219 Posted by: rk | May 12 2025 8:37 utc | 219 Posted by: Badjoke | May 12 2025 9:02 utc | 220 Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 7:29 utc | 214 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 12 2025 9:31 utc | 221 On the same day the Chinese signed a deal with the USA, they now say they support the 30 day ceasefire demand issued by the EU and USA Posted by: Night Tripper | May 12 2025 10:15 utc | 222 Seven years ago it was announced that BASF would buy Monsanto. From that moment on I knew Europe was fucked. Ukrainian black earth, chernozyom, the richest agricultural land coveted by the nazi Germans of the 3d and now 4d Reich, that’s the reason VonDerKorrupten’s Brussels won’t let it go, even though that bird has flown. Posted by: Paco | May 12 2025 10:26 utc | 223 Posted by: Night Tripper | May 12 2025 10:15 utc | 222 Posted by: Surferket | May 12 2025 10:29 utc | 224
the british: nazi enablers, supporters of genocide, enemies of peace. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 12 2025 10:29 utc | 225 You wrote a short (nuanced) essay. Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 10:48 utc | 226 On the same day the Chinese signed a deal with the USA, they now say they support the 30 day ceasefire demand issued by the EU and USA
Ukrops and their supporters of course interpret this as China vouching for the 30 day ceasefire. Posted by: 5thcolumn | May 12 2025 11:25 utc | 227 Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 10:48 utc | 226 Posted by: JB | May 12 2025 11:34 utc | 228 Col Jacques Baud Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 12 2025 11:59 utc | 229 Israeli ally PKK lays down arms and voted for dissolution… will Erbil be free from Mossad … Türkiye leads in become a regional powerhouse and looks to cooperate with the 3 GCC states KSA-UAE-Qatar. Think all in all, Russian people will get sick of the floundering as the whole rest of the world already is. Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 12 2025 12:06 utc | 231 Norwegian | May 11 2025 15:30 utc | 50 Posted by: Cynic | May 12 2025 12:06 utc | 232 It is interesting that Zelensky is so frantically demanding a cease fire. Posted by: jared | May 12 2025 12:26 utc | 233 @ Suresh | May 12 2025 4:13 utc | 204
There is a war and there is the war. There is nothing new or inconsistent with President Putin’s phrasing. Posted by: boneless | May 12 2025 12:27 utc | 234 Re: Posted by: JB | May 12 2025 11:34 utc | 228
Define soon – because they certainly don’t control all of these oblasts now and never have in this conflict. Posted by: Julian | May 12 2025 12:32 utc | 235 Russia actively makes itself irrelevant by pursuing this war. Posted by: acur | May 12 2025 12:33 utc | 236 I suspect they already know that Russia will not / can not yield to this demand. Posted by: jared | May 12 2025 12:38 utc | 237 Posted by: acur | May 12 2025 12:33 utc | 236 Posted by: Mario | May 12 2025 12:40 utc | 238 Posted by: Paco | May 12 2025 10:26 utc | 223 Posted by: Neptune | May 12 2025 12:44 utc | 239
5 irrelevant “countries” with poodle regimes sinking further into irrelevancy due to sunk cost, because orange man bad told them to agree to peace. the whole circus. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 12 2025 12:45 utc | 240 By the way both Russian military bases in Syria continue to operate. Posted by: boneless | May 12 2025 12:48 utc | 241
he has a point. with nuances of course. first of all, it was not russia that “Unleashed” this war, but the problems are indeed connected to it. self mad in essence, due to their fullscale war of aggression on russia (note, russia has not attacked any nato nor eu country, though i wish they would get rid of the british isles (sans ireland)), and now due to sunk cost fallacy (or rather phallacy, as theyre all dicks) all those issues, political, economic, security, energy, cannot be solved without serious repercussions for the eu. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 12 2025 12:53 utc | 242 @ Posted by: acur | May 12 2025 12:33 utc | 236 Posted by: jared | May 12 2025 13:00 utc | 243 Oh no!
No more military equipment in the EU to threaten Russia with? Only sactions now? Sounds desperate.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | May 12 2025 13:01 utc | 244 Crude oil futures $63.28 this morning. Go Russia ! Keep that budget deficit down. Posted by: Eighthman | May 12 2025 13:01 utc | 245 Posted by: Justpassinby | May 12 2025 12:53 utc | 242 Posted by: Badjoke | May 12 2025 13:01 utc | 246 Macron, Starmer and Merz are sending to Istanbul to negotiate with Vladimir Putin a comic actor with substance abuse. Posted by: Passerby | May 12 2025 13:04 utc | 247
sanctioning a pipeline that is unused since that alleged boating incident. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 12 2025 13:12 utc | 248 The cocaine coalition of Kneeler, Macroléon and Merz von BlackRock are panicking because their supplies may be cut off. Posted by: John Marks | May 12 2025 13:19 utc | 249 The Poles have shut the Russian embassy in Krakow, stating (without any evidence) that Russia started a fire in a shopping centre a year ago. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 12 2025 13:38 utc | 250 As western politicians don’t fear WWIII, maybe a different threat… Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2025 13:40 utc | 251 @ Posted by: 5thcolumn | May 12 2025 13:01 utc | 244 Posted by: jared | May 12 2025 13:44 utc | 252 Suresh@204…..talk talk, it’s one thing for Putin to say Russia is at war……does he have the time to attend a Military College and learn how wars are prosecuted…..maybe he has for gotten what was required to push Nazism out of Russia in the past, how many attacks, how many wars, before it dawns…..our Partners are great people….salt of the earth types….er, Salt the Earth types. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 12 2025 13:45 utc | 253
this is getting really pathetic now, isnt it? russia should close all “european” embassies and just allow one “eu” embassy, as all the europeans are subservient to the eu anyways. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 12 2025 13:48 utc | 254 The Poles have shut the Russian embassy in Krakow, stating (without any evidence) that Russia started a fire in a shopping centre a year ago. Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2025 13:58 utc | 255 Justpassinby@…..pathetic, no. Highly amusing how many times can someone rub your face in their shit before one says, enough…..er, Oh shit, we are at war…..highly amusing, even in the event we all go poof, hilarious it’s at this stage. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 12 2025 14:02 utc | 256 @242 Posted by: paddy | May 12 2025 14:08 utc | 257 No one knew what Ukraine was 3 years ago, now they are known as the though mdfkers that fucked russia up to north korean levels. Posted by: Evil Sohel | May 12 2025 14:39 utc | 258 “RUAF Capture 30SQKM | AFU Recapture Toretsk Industrial Outpost” Posted by: WMG | May 12 2025 14:52 utc | 259 I think Russia will keep the pressure high on the frontline between say Zaporizhia and Kharkov and pin down the ukrainian army. While at the same time Russia will/could open 2 new fronts. 1) in the south near Kherson (crossing the Dnipre river) 2) begin an offensive from say north of Kharkov from say Sumy towards Kiev. Posted by: WMG | May 12 2025 14:57 utc | 260 You do know the way you generate nicknames makes you stand out, you nincompoop. So lazy. Posted by: boneless | May 12 2025 14:57 utc | 261 Posted by: jared | May 12 2025 13:00 utc | 243 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 12 2025 15:01 utc | 262 https://t.me/boris_rozhin/164501
Posted by: boneless | May 12 2025 15:03 utc | 263 Trump thinks Putin and Zelensky will be in Istanbul on Thursday. And that he might be there as well. Posted by: Night Tripper | May 12 2025 15:04 utc | 264 Why taking a village by the border (RF was parked just outside for a while) gives a go for Pokrovsk? Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2025 15:12 utc | 265 What is the plausibility that the dust-up with India/Pakistan was set-up to give Modi reason to not attend the ceremony in Moscow? Posted by: jared | May 12 2025 15:19 utc | 266 @ #266 Posted by: Chrisssie | May 12 2025 15:28 utc | 267
There are several examples: Posted by: BG13 | May 12 2025 15:34 utc | 268 Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2025 13:40 utc | 251 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 12 2025 15:39 utc | 269 Posted by: Night Tripper | May 12 2025 15:04 utc | 263 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 12 2025 15:43 utc | 270 Biggest story of the minute . . . Macron Kiev coke train! Posted by: Nothingburgers | May 12 2025 15:48 utc | 271 Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2025 13:40 utc | 251 Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2025 16:12 utc | 272
the bolded part is funny. will it? Posted by: Justpassinby | May 12 2025 16:41 utc | 273 @ BG13 | May 12 2025 15:34 utc | 269 Posted by: malenkov | May 12 2025 16:54 utc | 274 @ malenkov, §275: Posted by: John Marks | May 12 2025 17:33 utc | 275 “Biggest story of the minute . . . Macron Kiev coke train! Posted by: Not Ewe | May 12 2025 17:43 utc | 276 Would VVP come in person in Istanbul, supposing the meeting will be held? Posted by: scc | May 12 2025 17:52 utc | 277 @ scc | May 12 2025 17:52 utc | 278 Posted by: boneless | May 12 2025 18:06 utc | 278 @ scc | May 12 2025 17:52 utc | 278 Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2025 18:21 utc | 279 “Biggest story of the minute . . . Macron Kiev coke train! Posted by: Norwegian | May 12 2025 18:22 utc | 280
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/152338 Posted by: Norwegian | May 12 2025 18:28 utc | 281 Weirdly, Christoforou claims that DJT “opted to align w/ the European leaders & Zelensky” in Project Ukraine, as if that were some kind of cliff-hanging revelation-? Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 12 2025 18:33 utc | 282 Extremely unexpected. Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2025 18:39 utc | 283 *****Republicofscotland @250 et al ***** Posted by: Jerr | May 12 2025 18:45 utc | 284 *****Republicofscotland @250 et al ***** Posted by: Jerr | May 12 2025 18:47 utc | 285 Posted by: rk | May 12 2025 6:40 utc | 211
typically mendacious claims !!! Posted by: ghiwen | May 12 2025 19:03 utc | 286 Posted by: Justpassinby | May 11 2025 20:17 utc | 146 Posted by: 2C | May 12 2025 21:29 utc | 287 Posted by: boneless | May 12 2025 15:03 utc | 263 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 13 2025 0:25 utc | 288 Suresh ( May 12 2025 4:13 utc | 204 ). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 13 2025 1:12 utc | 289 Venezuelan President Maduro – tells it like it is. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 13 2025 9:40 utc | 290 The Lie That Shot Down MH17 Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 13 2025 12:41 utc | 291 They are trying to suck trump into signing off on a sanctions package that will suck him into the quagmire for goods. If he signs off on this package the neo cons/europeans/ukrainians will have got him to own this war fully. Posted by: Mapstr | May 13 2025 14:40 utc | 292 Military summary, Donbass update. Posted by: unimperator | May 14 2025 2:50 utc | 296 The vast majority of Azov battalion were also Donbas locals. But most Donbas locals were neither, they were civilians. It is true that most people in Donbas din’t recognize Euromaidan and wanted to improve relations with Russia over the west. But secession was a fringe idea, most people didn’t want to separate, they wanted to be left alone. They definitely didn’t want a full scale war. Russia never intended to assist “the people of Donbas”, only a certain small group of those people who were vessels of Russian interests. And the rest of the people of Donbas only suffered from it. This intervention turned the most prosperous region of Ukraine into ruins. Posted by: Own Possibility | May 14 2025 13:02 utc | 297 Own Possibility | May 14 2025 13:02 utc | 298 …. Posted by: Cynic | May 14 2025 13:41 utc | 298 The entire thing is a smart play by Ukraine and EU to fool Trump and put him in a corner Posted by: Fit Rice | May 14 2025 13:44 utc | 299 Just makes Russia look weak as usual, another reason the west has zero respect for him. Too afraid to leave his bunker, only comes out in public when he has human shield Xi next to him. Won’t negotiate for his own people. And for years he’s been screaming about a promise made to Russians like a jaded schoolgirl. ‘But you promised you wouldn’t expand!!!!’ Its pathetic. Get it in writing like any other competent leader would. Posted by: Greg the Hamster | May 14 2025 13:50 utc | 300 |
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