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May 11, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-102
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Looks like America has crushed the BRICS alliance. In another thread, I mentioned China has agreed to a trade agreement with the US and now Putin seems willing to grovel to Trump for a ceasefire deal. Proof that America is still the world’s lone superpower and all other nations are regional powers at best. Posted by: bored | May 11 2025 17:58 utc | 101 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 11 2025 17:52 utc | 98 Posted by: Naive | May 11 2025 18:00 utc | 102 ( not even close-! ) Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 11 2025 18:00 utc | 103 That is old. Later the actor said he’s going to be in Turkey waiting for Putin Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 11 2025 18:00 utc | 104 @98 Posted by: AleaJactaEst | May 11 2025 18:01 utc | 105 Actually, he said that he expects a complete ceasefire starting tomorrow AND that he’ll be waiting for Putin in Turkey. So he might not be in Turkey if the other does not happen. Posted by: rk | May 11 2025 18:01 utc | 106 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | May 11 2025 17:56 utc | 100 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 11 2025 18:05 utc | 107 Posted by: bored | May 11 2025 17:58 utc | 101 Posted by: Naive | May 11 2025 18:05 utc | 108 That is old. Later the actor said he’s going to be in Turkey waiting for Putin Posted by: Naive | May 11 2025 18:07 utc | 109 I mentioned China has agreed to a trade agreement with the US and now Putin seems willing to grovel to Trump for a ceasefire deal. Posted by: rk | May 11 2025 18:12 utc | 110 I hope the SMO goes on until the end of the year. Like Kursk, bleed out the West of officers and air defenses. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 11 2025 18:12 utc | 111 I see the fleas have arrived, while others go off topic. Of interest? Russia has issued a temporary closure of airspace over its Kapustin Yar missile test range … Posted by: Elmer Fudd | May 11 2025 18:18 utc | 113 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 11 2025 18:05 utc Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | May 11 2025 18:19 utc | 114 Posted by: bored | May 11 2025 17:58 utc | 101 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 11 2025 18:20 utc | 115 @Ghost of Zanon | May 11 2025 18:20 utc | 115 Posted by: NoName | May 11 2025 18:22 utc | 116 Looks like America has crushed the BRICS alliance….I mentioned China has agreed to a trade agreement with the US and now Putin seems willing to grovel to Trump for a ceasefire deal. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 11 2025 18:25 utc | 117 Posted by: karlof1 | May 11 2025 18:16 utc | 112 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 11 2025 18:35 utc | 118 Posted by: NoName | May 11 2025 18:22 utc | 116 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 11 2025 18:37 utc | 119 Looks like China has crushed the US….I mentioned US has agreed to a trade agreement with China and now Trump seems willing to grovel to Putin for a ceasefire deal. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 11 2025 18:39 utc | 120 @NoName | May 11 2025 18:22 utc | 116 Posted by: rk | May 11 2025 18:47 utc | 121 I think Putin should just talk to the guys and continue hammering Ukraine. Posted by: g wiltek | May 11 2025 18:48 utc | 122
From the link: Posted by: ChatNPC | May 11 2025 18:50 utc | 123 https://www.turkiyetoday.com/world/russia-alleges-macron-merz-and-starmer-had-cocaine-party-in-kyiv-in-a-veiled-statemen-3201276 Posted by: Eighthman | May 11 2025 18:54 utc | 124 Quoted by ChatNPC @123: “We will be giving details tomorrow, but I can tell you that the talks were productive. “ Posted by: William Gruff | May 11 2025 18:58 utc | 125 Putin’s “call out” backfired. Posted by: Trubind1 | May 11 2025 19:00 utc | 126 Think all in all, Russian people will get sick of the floundering as the whole rest of the world already is. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 11 2025 19:05 utc | 127 Ukraine I know it like the back of my hand playing back in the USSR backwards to expose the beatles as communinst. The people that wrote the tax men song where socialists. If you contrast them with the Rolling Stones they are. No beatles album tops Exile on Main Street recorded in France due to taxes. Posted by: steve | May 11 2025 19:12 utc | 128 Trump said:
“Ukraine should agree to this, IMMEDIATELY.” Putin yesterday proposed holding direct peace talks with Ukraine after getting an ultimatum to agree to a temporary ceasefire. He proposed to hold direct talks with Ukraine in Turkey on May 15.
Time to seek a new post for envoy Keith Kellogg … the #Mark and #Volodymyr whisperer 😊 Does PM Goldman Sachs Know Anything About The Iraq War? Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 11 2025 19:16 utc | 130 Broken link above …
You want to negotiate with Ukrainians? This is how Ukes negotiate: Posted by: oldhippie | May 11 2025 19:23 utc | 133 Do you have any idea how trivial it is to post something on a website? Posted by: NoName | May 11 2025 19:24 utc | 134 You want to negotiate with Ukrainians? This is how Ukes negotiate: Posted by: oldhippie | May 11 2025 19:27 utc | 135 – Russia has crossed the Dnipre river near Burgunka (near Kherson) in the very south of the Ukraine (????????) Posted by: WMG | May 11 2025 19:29 utc | 136 RE: Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 11 2025 19:05 utc | 127 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 11 2025 19:35 utc | 137 Putin Proposes Unconditional Peace Talks With Ukraine Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 11 2025 19:52 utc | 138 Posted by: Oui | May 11 2025 19:20 utc | 132 Posted by: HERMIUS | May 11 2025 19:52 utc | 139 Posted by: rk | May 11 2025 18:12 utc | 110 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 11 2025 20:04 utc | 140 It’s almost like they want to get caught, arrogant prep school boys toying with “danger” all the while knowing there will be no real repercussions. Joke’s on the world’s powerless great unwashed – hah hah hah, have another line Keir my dear … Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 11 2025 20:09 utc | 141 zelenskiyjji says he is going to face putin directly in turkey if a ceasefire comes first. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 11 2025 20:13 utc | 142 The latest is Z is going to Istanbul on Thursday even with no ceasefire in place…… Posted by: Night Tripper | May 11 2025 20:14 utc | 143 If the Ukranians agree to negotiate in Istanbul Putin/Russia has brought Ukraine back to the table they left in 2022 minus 4 Oblasts at least, a pretty big win for the Russians. Posted by: silverfoxes | May 11 2025 20:16 utc | 145
you may be right, at least thats how yermak is now putting it?
Posted by: Justpassinby | May 11 2025 20:17 utc | 146 im going to look into my wifes crystal ball and say: Posted by: Justpassinby | May 11 2025 20:21 utc | 147 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/11/bessent-productive-talks-china-00340872 Posted by: ChrisFromGA | May 11 2025 20:25 utc | 148 Macron and Merz are only acting diligently, snorting a good line from Comedy Hitler’s personal stash. It is after all very important to find out what this man is thinking, no? Posted by: persiflo | May 11 2025 20:44 utc | 149 Macron and Merz are only acting diligently, snorting a good line from Comedy Hitler’s personal stash. It is after all very important to find out what this man is thinking, no? Posted by: persiflo | May 11 2025 20:47 utc | 150 The only thing that’s really bad is how childish Macron is behaving. No one would have been interested in the package if he hadn’t felt he had to hide it so clumsily. These are the heads of state in Europe — we can’t expect much of a bright future from them. The political systems may be all well and good, but they don’t produce the right people to handle the future. Posted by: Oliver Krug | May 11 2025 21:07 utc | 151 RE: “Unless the AFU is seriously depleted/collapsing in Ukraine I doubt they will show up. The act of negotiating with the Russians will set off an internal shit storm in Ukraine.” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 11 2025 21:08 utc | 152
Well I guess we now know for sure why so many Europols make the long, long train journey to Kiev and are always so frisky pleased to see the Z-man. Posted by: ChatNPC | May 11 2025 21:11 utc | 153 “The British military is supplying Ukraine with flat-pack decoys designed to mimic real military hardware, The Times reported on Saturday, citing sources. The effort is aimed at deceiving Russian forces and exaggerating the amount of modern equipment on the front line.” Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 11 2025 21:46 utc | 154 Ukraine’s regime lost legitimacy twice: Posted by: RWA | May 11 2025 21:53 utc | 155 How NATO politicians and their media lap dogs take defeat is hilarious. First they denounced the Ukraine minerals deal but when forced to sign it they hail it as a good deal (without giving reasons). Until now they advocated war, war and more war for Ukraine. After it was clear their comedian in Kiev is losing even more they now sing peace. How sad! Posted by: Jason | May 11 2025 22:04 utc | 156 The real problem with this war: Ukraine is a ruthless dictatorship, while Russia, unfortunately, is a liberal democracy. Posted by: RWA | May 11 2025 22:08 utc | 158 @100 Posted by: Jason | May 11 2025 22:09 utc | 159 Putins Humanitarianism for Ukraine is paid for by the blood of Russian Servicemen. You can still have Russian Civilians Live Normal Lives while actually taking the war seriously like fully knocking out energy/heating, telecoms, water, and actually killing AFU Generals Posted by: Wandering Russki | May 11 2025 22:10 utc | 160 @154 Reliving clever trick from WWII with misty-eyed nostalgia is all they have left. Posted by: Thirdeye | May 11 2025 22:15 utc | 161 100% agreed. Putin’s consistent show of softness towards Ukraine, while Russian soldiers are being butchered on a daily basis, makes me sick to my stomach. Showing empathy to your enemy only means showing lack of empathy for your own people. Posted by: Uke Meat Mincer | May 11 2025 22:17 utc | 162 I have been a Putin sceptic since the start of the SMO but it can see the strategy is about to pay off some real fruit soon, by offering negotiations as the AFU grows desperate as well as their benefactors, he is setting up an impossible dynamic will lessening the prospect of escalation. Posted by: Silverfoxes | May 11 2025 22:20 utc | 163 The high-class debauchery is on full display. Anyone who has dealt w/ addicts knows that addiction respects no socio-economic parameters. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 11 2025 22:25 utc | 164 Daily DS map update: https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4324126/32.0581055 Posted by: Anonymous | May 11 2025 22:41 utc | 165 “Control is melting before our eyes”: Ukrainian resources confirm the advance of Russian troops in Bogatyr in the former Kurakhovsky direction Posted by: HERMIUS | May 11 2025 23:00 utc | 166 What’s obvious, among the vassalized Europeans, is that the drugs & sex have kept everybody united. The 8-hour train rides from Poland to Kiev were made bearable by various proclivities satisfied. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 11 2025 23:04 utc | 167 HERMIUS | May 11 2025 23:00 utc | 166 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 11 2025 23:13 utc | 168 …..the stormtroopers of the Vostok group are trying to encircle the Ukrainian garrison, attacking from the western direction and cutting off the Ukrainian troops from the highway to Komar. Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | May 11 2025 23:21 utc | 169 I suggest all the pukes dissing Putin work on their Russian, move there and run for President in 2030, or Duma elections before then, and see just how far you get with your own singular brand of Russophobia. Yes, I know most are fleas, but there are a few here who think they know better than the Russian government and its General Staff. @ HERMIUS 166 Posted by: Fyador | May 11 2025 23:36 utc | 171 Something he has begged for for 3 years.. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 11 2025 23:43 utc | 172 It cannot be that difficult. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 11 2025 23:44 utc | 173 Oh, no-! Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 11 2025 23:50 utc | 174 The best thing about the coke video is that it is going to make Trump furious to see that Macron is playing the Churchillian part he wanted for himself. Trump, Macron and Netanyahu famously share a genuine narcissic personality disorder and they dont like it when a usurper is taking their part. Posted by: Tom | May 11 2025 23:52 utc | 175 Putin: Posted by: Suresh | May 11 2025 23:59 utc | 176 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 11 2025 12:29 utc | 6 Posted by: Paranaense | May 12 2025 0:00 utc | 177 Putin has presumably known that USA has been at war with Russia for at least a decade. His goal has to be the utter defeat of the empire. It can’t merely be to drive the empire out of Ukraine. I think, if he is who I want him to be, he has to want to topple the US government. Nothing less should be his goal. It’s what happened to the losers in both world wars. Posted by: HB Brian | May 12 2025 0:05 utc | 178 RE: “It shows that he won’t be painted into a corner.” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 0:16 utc | 179 @ steel_porcupine | May 11 2025 23:50 utc | 174 spaming the bar about a potential Witkoff trip to Moscow presenting the Kellog plan Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2025 0:19 utc | 180
Indeed. Posted by: ChatNPC | May 12 2025 0:22 utc | 181 RE: Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 11 2025 23:43 utc | 172 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 0:26 utc | 182 Posted by: psychohistorian | May 12 2025 0:19 utc | 180 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 12 2025 0:26 utc | 183 Russia is baking the cake, it has all the ingredients, baking skills, the oven, and the recipe in place to continue doing it in the same manner it has always done since the beginning. It will also make the icing and do the decoration of the cake in the end. It’s been baking the same cake since day one. It knows it cannot rely on the US or Ukraine or NATO to help or even do the washing up after the cake is made. Posted by: George | May 12 2025 0:32 utc | 184 Seems the new line from the troll dipshittery centers is ‘Putin weak,SMO bad, hurry up!’ When every last Russian knows that they’re slow roasting your Western testicles. Get fucked idjits. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 12 2025 0:33 utc | 185 #179, Trubind1 “No matter what Putin does, says, the West has no intention of doing anything but war…ever.” Posted by: Timur | May 12 2025 0:35 utc | 186 RE: “Yes, I know most are fleas, but there are a few here who think they know better than the Russian government and its General Staff.” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 0:39 utc | 187
Ah hah. A propagandist or just a liar? Putin has done no such thing. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 12 2025 0:41 utc | 188 RE: “Which will in turn increase the destruction of Ukraine.” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 0:43 utc | 189 Wow trubind, tell us more of your startgic genius. The binary of Russia or Ukraine getting destroyed, those are the ONLY OPTIONS. Totally not the false choice presented to them by the imbeciles who think they’re ‘masters of the universe’. I can’t tell if you’re actually this stupid or just pretending. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 12 2025 0:45 utc | 190 It’s amazing how Doctor Eleven through the way he writes and expresses himself with similar childish diatribe, so much resembles the recently blocked troll William. Posted by: George | May 12 2025 0:52 utc | 191 RE: Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 12 2025 0:45 utc | 190 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 0:58 utc | 192 You can never “outplay” folks that hate you to the core and want to destroy you. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 12 2025 1:14 utc | 193 @ bored | May 11 2025 17:58 utc | 101 Posted by: malenkov | May 12 2025 1:24 utc | 194 Propaganda works. No one who doesn’t believe propaganda is ever going to become Pope. That is partially why I don’t get all of the “New Pope” stuff in the alt-commentariat. Sure, I am not a Catholic but the ability of smart people to only see a portion of the picture never ceases to astound me. Posted by: Silent Waves | May 12 2025 1:28 utc | 195 RE: “ Russia’s taking on the bullies of the collective west in such a way to gain the respect and admiration of the rest of the world. Contrast that to say Israel’s behavior…” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 2:04 utc | 196 And in the global respect and admiration scale, certainly relegated Putin down the scale a few notches. He’s beginning to resemble a wind chime. Posted by: malenkov | May 12 2025 2:08 utc | 197 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 0:43 utc | 189 Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 12 2025 2:30 utc | 198 RE: Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 12 2025 2:30 utc | 198 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 12 2025 2:55 utc | 199 You can never “outplay” folks that hate you to the core and want to destroy you. |
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