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May 4, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-096
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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DPA/Wyatt frontline changes report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqhl_UcqXXM Posted by: Anonymous | May 4 2025 14:52 utc | 1 Thank you b, for the Jonathan Cooke article on the Guardian’s drip-drip-drip of news about atrocities committed by Israel posted in the Week in Review. There is also a video from the Duran posted in this week’s lineup featuring John Meirsheimer and Glenn Diesen which demonstrates an equally culpable change of narration that distorts the argument regarding Ukraine, being presented as an unsolvable war no matter the result. Given that body’s usual careful accuracy on this subject, I found this change extremely disturbing. So I shall present again, in my next post, that link. Posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 15:17 utc | 2 Here is the video I referenced in my comment 3 above. I would be happy to have others’ opinion of it. I realize there are plenty of excellent observations by the participants which I have not referenced, but to my mind those only make the dispiriting equalization of the sides in the conflict more than just a polite reference point. It may have been a personal opinion but it ought to have been contested. That is my feeling. I’m happy to have others disagree, as many did in the comments to the video. Posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 15:28 utc | 3 Here is the video I referenced in my comment 3 above. I would be happy to have others’ opinion of it. I realize there are plenty of excellent observations by the participants which I have not referenced, but to my mind those only make the dispiriting equalization of the sides in the conflict more than just a polite reference point. It may have been a personal opinion but it ought to have been contested. That is my feeling. I’m happy to have others disagree, as many did in the comments to the video. Posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 15:28 utc | 4 Woops, that went before I was ready. Posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 15:30 utc | 5 Woops, that went before I was ready. Posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 15:32 utc | 6 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 2nd May 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-f3b Posted by: The Busker | May 4 2025 15:50 utc | 7 The Duran. Posted by: unimperator | May 4 2025 15:53 utc | 8 Almost 1.500 day Posted by: Newbie | May 4 2025 16:00 utc | 9 Here is the video I referenced in my comment 3 above. I would be happy to have others’ opinion of it. I realize there are plenty of excellent observations by the participants which I have not referenced, but to my mind those only make the dispiriting equalization of the sides in the conflict more than just a polite reference point. It may have been a personal opinion but it ought to have been contested. That is my feeling. I’m happy to have others disagree, as many did in the comments to the video. Posted by: Northern Eve | May 4 2025 16:11 utc | 10 Some takes: Posted by: unimperator | May 4 2025 16:13 utc | 11
Does anyone else try to sell UAF beautiful retreat over RAF poor advance? Posted by: Rutte | May 4 2025 16:14 utc | 12 This thread is looking a bit like a failure to launch scenario. Posted by: bisfugged | May 4 2025 16:19 utc | 13 -Of RUAF 1.5 million (growing) army 600k involved in Ukraine, rotations happen for experience gain Posted by: unimperator | May 4 2025 16:22 utc | 14 Christoforou is going to have to ‘up’ his cat treats game by opening the cellophane bag of treats *before* he begins his walk ‘n talk video. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 4 2025 16:37 utc | 15 Rt reports “Putin said;” Posted by: Trubind1 | May 4 2025 16:42 utc | 16 Posted by: Trubind1 | May 4 2025 16:42 utc | 17 Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 4 2025 16:47 utc | 17 Can someone please explain what 3LA is? I tried a search engine, but it was unhelpful. Posted by: wagelaborer | May 4 2025 16:50 utc | 18 Can someone please explain what 3LA is? I tried a search engine, but it was unhelpful. Posted by: wagelaborer | May 4 2025 16:50 utc | 19 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/80275 Posted by: donten | May 4 2025 16:52 utc | 20 Posted by: wagelaborer | May 4 2025 16:50 utc | 20 Posted by: Mary | May 4 2025 16:58 utc | 21 RE: All talk is cheap. Posted by: Trubind1 | May 4 2025 16:58 utc | 22 UKR sources report situation is bad in the area of Konstantinovka, where RUAF Drones control all movement. Combined with earlier reports AFU counter-attacks coming out of Konstantinovka toward the southern RUAF advance were repelled, we might see RUAF getting a firm grip in south outskirts of Konstantinovka soon. Posted by: unimperator | May 4 2025 17:03 utc | 23 Posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 15:17 utc | 3 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 4 2025 17:05 utc | 24 Posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 15:17 utc | 3 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 4 2025 17:28 utc | 25 Posted by: Newbie | May 4 2025 16:00 utc | 10 Posted by: Anonymous | May 4 2025 17:43 utc | 26 I posted the following notice on the week in review but it needs to be posted here too. I’m not sure whether droning the Victory Parade would be counted as a terrorist threat or as military action. Feels like a terrorist threat to me but I can see arguments the other way being put forward. Best consider it under both headings, I suppose. Posted by: English Outsider | May 4 2025 17:44 utc | 28 Posted by: wagelaborer | May 4 2025 16:50 utc | 20 Posted by: hopehely | May 4 2025 17:45 utc | 29 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 4 2025 17:05 utc | 25 Posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 17:48 utc | 30 Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene: “I represent the base and when I’m frustrated and upset over the direction of things, you better be clear, the base is not happy.” Posted by: Simon | May 4 2025 17:50 utc | 31 UKR sources report situation is bad in the area of Konstantinovka, where RUAF Drones control all movement. Combined with earlier reports AFU counter-attacks coming out of Konstantinovka toward the southern RUAF advance were repelled, we might see RUAF getting a firm grip in south outskirts of Konstantinovka soon. Posted by: Newbie | May 4 2025 18:03 utc | 32 Posted by: Simon | May 4 2025 17:50 utc | 32 Posted by: English Outsider | May 4 2025 18:12 utc | 33 Posted by: English Outsider | May 4 2025 17:44 utc | 29 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 4 2025 18:13 utc | 34
he is projecting, and the eu will do the swallowing. Posted by: Justpassinby | May 4 2025 18:13 utc | 35 Re: Terror Strike on 9.May parade ? Posted by: Exile | May 4 2025 18:22 utc | 36 Why anyone would listen to Mercouris quote the gems he found in the Guardian and the Telegraph for an hour every day is beyond me. Posted by: gce | May 4 2025 18:24 utc | 37 Your stupid lil 2-3 year spat, whereby all these nations, including China & So. Africa have been, in fact, aiding and supporting your dumb ass. Posted by: rk | May 4 2025 18:31 utc | 38 Posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 17:48 utc | 31 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 4 2025 18:36 utc | 39 Posted by: rk | May 4 2025 18:31 utc | 39 Posted by: pepe | May 4 2025 18:39 utc | 40 When you read this article, you’d understand why the West would always fail against Russia. The Russian leader Vladimir Putin is so different from any and all of the so-called leaders of the West. Being the President of the RF is a life long job, that you just can’t leave after 2 terms and forget about any responsibility, as in the US, for example. The responsibility is forever. None of the so-called Western leaders would ever fathom. Posted by: ostrr | May 4 2025 18:43 utc | 41 SA still wants to arrest Putin, for example. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 4 2025 18:46 utc | 42 Thank you, Mary and Hopehely, for clearing that up. Posted by: wagelaborer | May 4 2025 18:58 utc | 43 Posted by: Newbie | May 4 2025 18:03 utc | 33 Posted by: Milites | May 4 2025 20:24 utc | 44 Ukraine is capable of launching a drone drone from somewhere in Moscow to drop a grenade on the May 9 victory parade. But if this kills, say, the Chinese president – what then? Posted by: Passerby | May 4 2025 20:24 utc | 45 @steel_porcupine | May 4 2025 18:13 utc | 35 Posted by: Clown Shoes | May 4 2025 20:37 utc | 46 Well, Xi is coming to Russia for 4 days – 7th to 11th May. So plenty of opportunity for Ukr/CIA/MI6. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 4 2025 21:00 utc | 47 Well, Xi is coming to Russia for 4 days – 7th to 11th May. So plenty of opportunity for Ukr/CIA/MI6. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 4 2025 21:00 utc | 48 Russia are still struggling with legacy issues, especially the latter, factors which are tempo determinants. Posted by: Newbie | May 4 2025 21:03 utc | 49 Posted by: Newbie | May 4 2025 21:03 utc | 52 Posted by: Milites | May 4 2025 22:34 utc | 50 Why does nobody here know anything about Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim? Compare and contrast Mannerheim to Zelensky. Why could Mannerheim give up land for 70 years of prosperity and peace and Zelensky can’t? Why did General Valery Zaluzhny imply that he’d have to do the same as Mannerheim? Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | May 4 2025 22:38 utc | 51 The Kiev independent gleefully reports a Ukrainian home-made Wunderwaffe. Posted by: John Marks | May 4 2025 22:43 utc | 52 Read below how Reuters is trying to control the narrative
When does the unconditional surrender come? Posted by: psychohistorian | May 4 2025 22:49 utc | 53 @ Mark2 | May 4 2025 14:35 utc | 1 Posted by: Featherless | May 4 2025 23:03 utc | 54 They could, but it wouldn’t solve the main problem, a failure to invest in advanced logistics technologies… Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 4 2025 23:40 utc | 55 Read below how Reuters is trying to control the narrative Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 4 2025 23:49 utc | 56 The US thought they will simply stop the conflict when they decide to do so. Did they really think Putin will simply accept anything after losing so much in this conflict. The west are responsible for the destruction of hundreds of billions of dollars in Russian equipment, the death of tens of thousands of Russians and so much more and they thought Russia will just stop whenever they ask Russia to stop? Wtf was the thought process here? Why are they surprised Russia will not negotiate for anything less than what they demand? Posted by: brutal wizerd | May 5 2025 0:10 utc | 57 Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 4 2025 23:40 utc | 60 Posted by: Milites | May 5 2025 0:16 utc | 58 Yesterday Zelensky crowed that he “can’t guarrantee” President Xi will be safe from Ukrainian strikes during the upcoming Victory Day celebrations in Moscow. Posted by: GW | May 5 2025 0:19 utc | 59 For Mark2 who has an interest in Australian viewpoints: Posted by: George | May 5 2025 0:24 utc | 60 Spending so much time and effort celebrating tactical successes is itself an indicator that things are not looking good for Ukraine. Posted by: Milites | May 5 2025 0:24 utc | 61 Russia’s not winning. They’ve taken massive losses and pains to get very little in return. Posted by: pheonix | May 5 2025 0:27 utc | 62 The West does not need to match the Russians munition for munition, given the qualitative differences… Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 5 2025 0:33 utc | 63 Russia’s not winning. They’ve taken massive losses and pains to get very little in return. Posted by: HERMIUS | May 5 2025 0:34 utc | 64 The west is not going to allow defeat. They are enjoying the fruits of Russia bleeding all of its hardware and men to death. The slow attrition is the best deal ever for the west. Posted by: njordic | May 5 2025 0:35 utc | 65 Posted by: pheonix | May 5 2025 0:27 utc | 67 Posted by: Badjoke | May 5 2025 0:37 utc | 66 Posted by: pheonix | May 5 2025 0:27 utc | 67 Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | May 5 2025 0:39 utc | 67 Everyone would be better off if Russia pulls a GW Bush, flies a “Mission Successful” banner from their forever docker aircraft carrier and withdraws forces from Ukraine. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 5 2025 0:39 utc | 68 When Zaparozhia and Kherson are liberated fully, the job will be done. Then Russia has “won”. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 5 2025 0:43 utc | 69 The west is not going to allow defeat. They are enjoying the fruits of Russia bleeding all of its hardware and men to death. The slow attrition is the best deal ever for the west. Posted by: HERMIUS | May 5 2025 0:47 utc | 70 The West has been brain draining Russia by offering a better lifestyle. Europe can afford this lifestyle by underspending on security . This war has meant money shifting from the welfare state to the security state. Coupled with high energy prices EU is no longer as attractive for Russians to emigrate to. The longer this war goes on and the more the EU militarizes the better the long term prospects for Russian development. Posted by: Autobot | May 5 2025 0:53 utc | 71 Contrarian_Ed | May 4 2025 22:38 utc | 55 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 5 2025 0:54 utc | 72 Everyone would be better off if Russia pulls a GW Bush, flies a “Mission Successful” banner from their forever docker aircraft carrier and withdraws forces from Ukraine. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 5 2025 0:55 utc | 73 Featherless @58 Posted by: William Gruff | May 5 2025 0:56 utc | 74 The west is not going to allow defeat. They are enjoying the fruits of Russia bleeding all of its hardware and men to death. The slow attrition is the best deal ever for the west. Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 5 2025 1:00 utc | 75 ‘pheonix’ is just another gaslighter who works for the laughing gas company and we can add ‘njordic’ to the list as well. They both expect intelligent people to believe that night is day and have no evidence to back even a nano-whimper of their claims. Russian successes are far too obvious now. Posted by: George | May 5 2025 1:10 utc | 76 The west is not going to allow defeat. They are enjoying the fruits of Russia bleeding all of its hardware and men to death. The slow attrition is the best deal ever for the west. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 5 2025 1:26 utc | 77 Ted from Liverpool | May 5 2025 0:39 utc | 73 Posted by: Cynic | May 5 2025 1:29 utc | 78 “Ukraine is being hit hard all of the time” Posted by: Fyador | May 5 2025 1:31 utc | 79 George @ 65 Posted by: Mark2 | May 5 2025 1:37 utc | 80 HERMIUS | May 5 2025 0:47 utc | 76 Posted by: Cynic | May 5 2025 1:38 utc | 81 As far as I recollect, Russia has still not officially shifted from its SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION or SMO. Posted by: George | May 5 2025 1:51 utc | 82 The west is not going to allow defeat. They are enjoying the fruits of Russia bleeding all of its hardware and men to death. The slow attrition is the best deal ever for the west. Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 5 2025 1:53 utc | 83 Posted by: Mark2 | May 5 2025 1:37 utc | 87 Posted by: George | May 5 2025 2:10 utc | 84 Here in the UK the far right party (reform) have a big succses in the local elections on friday. Posted by: Mark2 | May 5 2025 2:13 utc | 85 posted by: juliania | May 4 2025 17:48 utc | 31 Posted by: Organic | May 5 2025 3:11 utc | 86 The chatteratti and a few commentators are in high dudgeon over the fact that Sir Keir has invited an AFU group to march on 8 May, VE Day, w/ UK troops and other hero regiments during London’s Victory in Europe parade. The complaint centers on the fact that the UK is ignoring Russia’s contributions to the defeat of Nazis in Europe by a-historically inflating Ukraine’s singular *heroics* on 8 May 1945 as a means of diminishing Russia’s. Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 5 2025 3:19 utc | 87 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 5 2025 3:19 utc | 104 Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 5 2025 3:29 utc | 88 “housing and rents have increased dramatically, the cost of electricity has increased, the cost of living has increased, the bureaucracy is swelling and being paid ever higher wages.” Posted by: George | May 5 2025 3:58 utc | 89 Mark2 Posted by: George | May 5 2025 4:37 utc | 90 Below is a link to the Putin interview that contains the nuke threat response to Z Posted by: psychohistorian | May 5 2025 5:18 utc | 91 @ steel_porcupine (104) Posted by: Bernard Davis | May 5 2025 5:19 utc | 92 “I wouldn’t worry about John McCain, he has been utterly unsighted during the Russian SMO in Ukraine.” Posted by: George | May 5 2025 5:25 utc | 93 The Summit in the Sand… Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 5 2025 6:38 utc | 94 Russia UKraine war: US OKs F-16 Deal Days After Trump-Zelensky Vatican Meet | Times Now World | May 5 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 5 2025 7:03 utc | 95 Posted by: Autobot | May 5 2025 0:53 utc | 72 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 5 2025 7:24 utc | 96 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 5 2025 7:03 utc | 97 Posted by: George | May 5 2025 7:27 utc | 97
The full conquest of Zaparozhia and Kherson will certainly mark the end of the first phase of the Russo-Ukrainian war with an indisputable Russian victory. But my guess is at that point the SMO will turn into a classic war, with a formal declaration of war of Russia against the Ukraines. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 5 2025 7:36 utc | 98
I’m pretty sure the Russian will applaud you for giving that advice 😜 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 5 2025 7:44 utc | 99 Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 5 2025 0:33 utc | 64 Posted by: Milites | May 5 2025 8:17 utc | 100 |
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