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May 20, 2025
Ukraine Negotiations Still Hover Around Its Root Cause

The most important sentence from President Trump about yesterday's phone call between President Putin and him is this:

Russia and Ukraine will immediately start negotiations toward a Ceasefire and, more importantly, an END to the War. The conditions for that will be negotiated between the two parties, as it can only be, because they know details of a negotiation that nobody else would be aware of.

The most important sentence by President Putin about yesterday's phone call is this:

Notably, Russia’s position is clear. Eliminating the root causes of this crisis is what matters most to us.

Russia will not fall for ending the war without having achieved its main goal.

Western media, here the NY Times, continue to play dumb (archived) about what the Russia's main goal is:

[Putin] repeated his mantra that a peace deal needs to “remove the root causes of this crisis,” referring to Russia’s pursuit of wide-ranging influence over Ukraine.

David Ignatius, a CIA spokesperson at the Washington Post, makes a similar (archived) nonsensical claim:

He still wants victory, which he described once again after Monday’s call with the phrase “eliminate the root causes of the crisis.” That’s code for his conviction that Ukraine cannot be a European country, as it wants, but must remain under Russian hegemony.

Russia as well as Ukraine are European countries. Russia has no interest in having 'hegemony' or 'wide-ranking influence' over Ukraine. Its interest is the defense of the Russian Federation. It had to prevent Ukraine from becoming a U.S. (NATO) spear tip aimed at its heart.

A different NY Times piece about the Russian northern defenses build up after Finland joined NATO is far more correct when it states (archived):

From Moscow’s perspective, the Russians need to bolster their defenses to protect themselves from NATO expansion, which has always been a sore subject. The Baltic nations were the first members of the former Soviet Union to join NATO, bringing large stretches of Russia’s border up against NATO’s. The prospect of Ukraine, an even bigger former Soviet republic, following suit was so threatening to Moscow that it became one of the causes of the most devastating land war in generations.

It is NATO expansion, not Ukraine the country, that is the root cause of the war. It is NATO expansion that has to be eliminated.

The U.S. and its European allies are still in denial of that. To ignore that the U.S. has, for over 30 years, been driving the NATO expansion that led to the war, allows Trump to play a 'mediator' in war in which the U.S. is a dominant participant.

It is stupid for western media to accept Trump's claim (archived) of such a role:

After phone calls with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Trump posted that “Russia and Ukraine will immediately start negotiations toward a Ceasefire and, more importantly, an END to the War”.

In remarks that indicated that Washington may be stepping back from a role as a mediator, Trump said the “conditions” for a deal could only be agreed by the warring parties “because they know details of a negotiation that nobody else would be aware of”.

Trump also said that immediately after his call with Putin, he recounted the conversation to Zelenskyy together with the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Finland and the European Commission.  (1)

But two people briefed on the call with the European leaders said Trump was clear that he would pull the US back from engaging with the conflict and leave Ukraine and Russia to directly negotiate a ceasefire. He also made no promise of future US sanctions against Russia should Putin refuse any peace attempts. One person familiar with the conversation said the leaders were stunned by the US president’s description of what was agreed. They added it was clear Trump was “not ready to put greater pressure” on Putin to come to the negotiating table in earnest.

Trump is pretending to wash his hands (archived) over Ukraine:

The US desire to disengage has been flagged for weeks, by Trump himself but also by secretary of state Marco Rubio and vice-president JD Vance, who have repeatedly expressed frustration with Russia and Ukraine in equal measure. Vance told reporters on Monday that the US might ultimately have to say: “This is not our war.”

The U.S. can not be a mediator in a war, or wash its hands over it, when it continues to supply weapons and the all important field intelligence and communication means needed to wage it. Only yesterday the U.S. allowed Australia to send (old) U.S. made tanks to Ukraine.

Trump's claims of disengaging from the war has yet to be confirmed by any evidence that he is really going to do so.

The only thing Trump did reject so far was to join the European attempts to escalate the war by inserting their own troops into it.

Having learned from the economic disaster his tariffs have caused Trump also rejected plans to impose secondary sanctions in form of 500% tariffs on anyone who continues to buy oil from Russia.

Aside from that Trump has kept support for the war on the same level as before and only refrained from expanding it.

That he is, for now, leaving the negotiations to Russia and Ukraine, is an admission that he has failed to keep his election promise of making peace.

The U.S. will have to reengage in negotiations if peace is to be achieved. It is U.S. (NATO) expansionism that has cause the war.  

Russia needs to remove the root cause, U.S. (NATO) expansionism, to achieve peace. 

A complete victory in Ukraine is a necessary but not yet sufficient condition for that. 

But chances are good that the further disagreements over the defeat of Ukraine will rip NATO apart. 

That might be the victory President Putin has on his mind.


(1) The FT claims that: "[Trump] recounted the conversation to Zelenskyy together with the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Finland and the European Commission.

But Trump's statement does not mention Britain at all: "I have so informed President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, President Emmanuel Macron, of France, Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, of Italy, Chancellor Friedrich Merz, of Germany, and President Alexander Stubb, of Finland, during a call with me, immediately after the call with President Putin."

It seems like, despite the FT's claim, Prime Minister Starmer was left out in the cold on this.

Comments

57th Air Base in Rumania is near the Black Sea coast, was a Warsaw Pact/Rumanian base current shares a commercial run way.
Huge construction, two new runways, POL infrastructure, hangars, and family housing for a base population of 10000, including dependents.
I am thinking Camh Ranh Bay air base. US had about six of these for the air war of IndoChina.
However, only US could think of a huge tactical base that is close range to Russia. While some huge plan is needed to evacuate dependents should the balloon go up.

Posted by: paddy | May 20 2025 19:43 utc | 101

To enlarge on my thanks to steel_porcupine | May 20 2025 19:00 utc | 92, I feel fortunate to have “A Gentleman in Moscow” in my possession since its Victory Day appearance on my mailbox freebies shelf down where I catch the bus. To those who haven’t read it (a September 2016 publication) do, as s_p recommends, try an interlibrary loan. It’s how I got the book on President McKinley – not a novel but a very good read. Librarians are a longsuffering lot, but they love folk who take the trouble to hunt up their own quarry, as if you return the book on time they get to read it themselves before sending it back.

Posted by: juliania | May 20 2025 19:52 utc | 102

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 19:26 utc | 99
RE: Were any people in Alupka, Yalta and Gyrsuf positioned to offer more than subjective, anecdotal observations?
<< I was able to check and cross-check information I gleaned in Crimea w/ other trusted Russian sources, and found a high degree of relevance, reliability and insight---always w/ a unique peninsula panache. After my final trip to Yalta in October 2019, I booked a trip to Odessa for March 2020, again w/ the intent to plumb the depths of the Ukrainian city and have consequential conversations. The pandemic halted flights from Warsaw to Odessa 2 days before my trip. Welp. The hot war began hard on the heels of the lifting of pandemic restrictions, and the upshot is that I've not visited Odessa. Yet. But I plan to when Catherine's city is a Russian city in the Russian Federation.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 20 2025 20:09 utc | 103

Posted by: juliania | May 20 2025 19:52 utc | 102
RE: singing the praises of librarians
<< Interlibrary Loan staff are some of the most tenacious & dogged individuals on earth. I couldn't through conventional means find Nikolai Petrov's "The Tragedy of Ukraine," but they located a copy for me. Ditto w/ Professor Mearsheimer's "The Israel Lobby." The local copy was already out on loan, and I didn't want to trigger a *recall*---so they found a copy to loan to me from Idaho. And then I needed a DVD of Fellini's film "Il Bidoni," a very hard to come-by item. Sure enough. The Interlibrary Loan staff came through.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 20 2025 20:18 utc | 104

He’s not winning a third term.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 20 2025 16:45 utc | 67
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Not to be dramatic, I don’t think it is a given that the US has another election in 3.5 years. I mean, they may stage one, but America then won’t look much like America now.
I can remember watching the Berlin Wall being torn down by Germans on TV.
That was on no one’s bingo card 3 months earlier.
Things are primed to flip quickly, the way COVID changed everything in the West in 2 months.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 16:58 utc | 70
That seems like a very rational view, considering the extent of the breakdown.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 20 2025 20:18 utc | 105

Posted by: steven t johnson | May 20 2025 19:10 utc | 96
Europe can either have socialist domestic spending levels, or a fully independent military, in fact, during discussions about the foundation of the UK’s Welfare State the commitment to the NHS was seen by some Left-Wing MP’s as a guarantee that the UK would never be able to field a military comparable to its WW2 levels. The advent of nukes got everybody off the hook, the military could pretend that they could stop a Soviet conventional attack, whilst gutting stockpiles, reducing manpower, penny-pinching and selling the high-tech lie; whilst their ideological opponents could campaign against the nasty nukes.
Interestingly, the Russian solution was just to stockpile everything, thus vastly inflating their conventional force ratios and stick to a mainly conscripted army whose theoretical capabilities were more impressive than the reality. The Ukraine War has revealed the pros and cons of these ever-present legacy’s, largely driving the conduct of the war by both sides and, as a result, extending the conflict’s duration significantly.

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 20:24 utc | 106

The Ukraine War has revealed the pros and cons of these ever-present legacy’s, largely driving the conduct of the war by both sides and, as a result, extending the conflict’s duration significantly.
Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 20:24 utc | 107
WWI also started on outdated models, tech and means. (Exception to navy that had been thoroughly revolutionized but impacted little )
Only WWII brought major jumps before the conflict started.
If this conflict is ever mentioned as WWIII (though I find it hard to believe in one before the 2050s) one might be tempted to compare it to WWI.
Returning to the timing issue, I still think a decadal truce is in order. And it is not clear the conflicts after the truce are already the critical ones.
Any opinion on your side ?

Posted by: Newbie | May 20 2025 20:36 utc | 107

G7 Finance Ministers Gather With Ukraine…
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250520-g7-finance-leaders-gather-with-ukraine-tariff-concerns-at-fore
“Top finance leaders from the G7 radars gather in Canada starting Tuesday, with concerns including war in Ukraine at the fore…”
PS: Donald Trump announces ‘Golden Dome’, a Star Wars 2.0 missile-defence system. He further highlighted a Canadian request to be involved and that this would require ‘significant investment’ and an initial ‘down-payment’ of $25 billion.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 20 2025 20:36 utc | 108

@67, 70, and 106.
No, not a rational view at all. 1st, he’s not constitutionally eligible to be elected to a third term. You can only be president for 2 full terms.
2nd, the US is losing it’s status as a superpower and empire (which I’m happy about), but it’s not going to collapse into total anarchy in 3.5 years.
Empire’s don’t collapse in the span of a few years. Get a grip fellas.

Posted by: David F | May 20 2025 20:36 utc | 109

Empire’s don’t collapse in the span of a few years. Get a grip fellas.
Posted by: David F | May 20 2025 20:36 utc | 110
Empires face different collapse moments , mid growth, post peak anarchy , expoliation and collapse.
The us is young, this is a mid growth crisis …

Posted by: Newbie | May 20 2025 20:39 utc | 110

Re: 109 – correction
First line should read: ‘Top finance leaders from the G7 nations gather in Canada’…not ‘G7 radars’ (lol)

Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 20 2025 20:41 utc | 111

Europe can either have socialist domestic spending levels, or a fully independent military

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 20:24 utc | 107
Whichever course is chosen, it needs to be underpinned by a viable, dynamic industrial base that has ready access to affordable energy and raw materials. Europe (and I include these offshore islands off the north-west coast of the mainland continent) seems to be heading in the completely opposite direction, with a policy approach that is shrinking the available industrial base.
Whatever faults Russia has, at least it has managed to rebuild its industrial capacity from the ravages of the 1990s, and if it comes down to a “war between the factories” Europe is stuffed.
I hestitate to bring Mr. Martyanov’s name in, but I fear he might be correct when he predicts Europe becoming a Third World-level power when it comes to economic heft and military capability.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 20:46 utc | 112

*** If this conflict is ever mentioned as WWIII (though I find it hard to believe in one before the 2050s) one might be tempted to compare it to WWI. ***
Posted by: Newbie | May 20 2025 20:36 utc | 108
This has been Drone War I. Not comparable to what would qualify for a “World War” tag – that would involve taking down satellites with no overwatch, resulting WWII type maneuvers, no air support but drone augmented. Just an idiot’s guess.

Posted by: frithguild | May 20 2025 20:49 utc | 113

This has been Drone War I. Not comparable to what would qualify for a “World War” tag – that would involve taking down satellites with no overwatch, resulting WWII type maneuvers, no air support but drone augmented. Just an idiot’s guess.
Posted by: frithguild | May 20 2025 20:49 utc | 114
If you believe that COVID-19 was a bioweapon aimed at Iran & China that killed tens of millions of people worldwide, perhaps WW3 is a good description of what’s going on.
I’ve been puzzled by commentators (other than perhaps Jeffrey Sachs recently) missing what seems to be an obvious misdirection regarding the wet market/wuhan virology institute. If the powers that be know that we know they lie to us constantly, then it seems probable that they lied to us about the wet market, knowing we’d go “aha! You’re lying to us again. The virus must have been released from the wuhan virology institute.” That reaction is so predictable that it’s probable that the powers that be planted the wet market lie to make us think it came from the virology institute rather than where it actually came from.

Posted by: HB Brian | May 20 2025 20:54 utc | 114

Yeah that’s what it will take to address the root causes.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | May 20 2025 13:35 utc | 14
Good and accurate summary.
But you are dealing with slow learners and congenital loons.

Posted by: jpc | May 20 2025 21:06 utc | 115

World War 2½, in that a lot of the roots of the “root causes” can be traced back to the ending of the last Great Conflagration.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 21:09 utc | 116

I always figured Covid was an engineered attack against China in a last ditch attempt to stop/scuttle their growth. Glad to see others have the same theories, it makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Silverfoxes | May 20 2025 21:26 utc | 117

Trump wants out. This is a lost war and he wants no part of it. But it’s not an easy war to walk away from. Trump’s fear is that he will be blamed for losing the war if he pulls out now. Or he will be blamed for losing the war if he waits until the Russians have finished their SMO.
Either way his political opponents will seize upon that attributed blame and that will render difficult the internal reforms in the US he and his team are aiming for. I’ve given up on Trump after Gaza but still think it would be better for the US, and for us, if those internal reforms were achieved.
Best for him is if the Russians and Ukrainians negotiate directly. That is why he is pleased they are doing so now. Those negotiations will lead either to the Ukrainians surrendering, which is unlikely unless there’s a change of government in Kiev, or to the Ukrainians breaking off negotiations and fighting on to defeat. Either way the war is lost but Trump escapes the blame.
In the first and unlikely case he can say it was a decision arrived at between the Russians and the Ukrainians and it wasn’t for him to interfere with what the Ukrainians decided.
In the second he can say that the Ukrainians refused to negotiate so the defeat was their own fault.
The Russians are aware that Trump has political difficulties pulling out. They’ll help him on that as much as they can and are bending over backwards to do so, but without deviating from their own main objectives: the demilitarising and denazification of remnant Ukraine.
They would just as soon the Ukrainians didn’t surrender right now. If the war continues, as much as the entire Kharkov – Odessa arc, the old Party of Regions arc, will be incorporated and that would be in line with what many Russians are now expecting and some Russians are demanding. And the fearsome logic of attrition, the killing of the Kiev forces and in particular the killing of the extremist component of those forces, will render the pacification or neutralisation of remnant Ukraine less difficult should the Russians be forced to occupy it.
The aims of the European politicians are consistent with none of this. They also know defeat is inevitable but will wish to blame Trump for it. He will be the foundation of their Dolchstoßlegende. Transition to a new Cold War is their only means of staying in power, with Zelensky if he survives the symbol of continuing resistance.
I hope that doesn’t work. It’ll be somewhat bleak, living or having my children live in the militaristic and hate-filled Europe these politicians are hoping to achieve.

Posted by: English Outsider | May 20 2025 21:30 utc | 118

Or I suppose we could “versionise” things, and have:
Korea as WW2.1
Vietnam as WW2.2, with the fork WW2.2.1 taking place in West Asia in 1967, which had a major update to WW2.2.2 in 1973
By then the developers had built the underpinning framework of Cold War 1.0, which has been receiving constant updates ever since its launch.
So where are we with Ukraine? WW2.5? 2.6?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 21:33 utc | 119

Just stumbled across this excellent investigation into the NORDSTREAM SABOTAGE.
https://youtu.be/FHsONupIdlo
Highly factual, highly documented, very objective, examines *all* theories. But not fully conclusive. Guess who, ultimately, the primary coordinating suspect ends up being … Zalushny.
Attention Jeremy Rhymings-Lang: Does this satisfy your unresolved angst! 🙂

Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | May 20 2025 21:41 utc | 120

Very good b. Enjoyed that. Nothing too add
‘Washing hands’ is all it is.
Well done we will add. Same as our crown state suddenly crying crocodiles tears over genocide.
Don’t give them an inch.

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 20 2025 21:44 utc | 121

Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | May 20 2025 21:41 utc | 121
Strangely enough I don’t have any “unresolved angst” regarding Nordstream, everyone with half a brain knows who really did it and… well… Zaluzhny is not at the top of that list, unless Kearsage is his petronym…
Now if you are feeling helpful, tomorrow is six months to the day since the appearance of some mysterious, fast-moving lights descending through the clouds above Dniepropetrovsk, yet footage of the aftermath doesn’t seem to be available.
I do hope your sources can assist in rectifying this information gap…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 21:55 utc | 122

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 21:55 utc | 123
Dear JR-L. Gosh, sorry you took to sceptical sarcasm about my well meaning and merely informative post to the group about some little-known facts about the operation. Did you even watch it before dismissing it? Keep an open mind I always say. Cheers.

Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | May 20 2025 22:04 utc | 123

Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | May 20 2025 22:04 utc | 124
Yeah, whatever…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 22:11 utc | 124

Posted by: Newbie | May 20 2025 20:36 utc | 108
Actually the technology of the armies weapons was pretty cutting edge, bolt action rifles easily capable of hitting point targets at 800m and area ones at twice the range, belt fed machine guns, breechloading, rapid fire, artillery pieces and the latest aviation designs. For the British Army the wake up call had been the Boer War and the reforms put in place, after the near-defeat, made the British Army the most formidable force, man for man, in the world.
The big problem was that the ability to communicate effectively, whilst cutting edge, languished well behind the capabilities and tactical problems that these weapons created. Ad-hoc hoc solutions prevailed for most of the war but it was only towards the end that the two sides began to converge, and only in WW2 did the synergies really start to develop between C3 and weapon capabilities.
The Ukraine War is somewhat different, tier one ISR has been deployed from day 1, but the Ukrainians started off with largely ex-Soviet kit and an inability to operate beyond brigade level, because NATO had only trained up to that level, anticipating a COIN type operation against the militias. The introduction of NATO kit was tier two at best and so piecemeal and poorly integrated into existing force structures as to render its impact operationally dubious at best and largely strategically worthless. Their C3 capabilities were excellent though, so tactically the systems had real worth and proved a serious headache for the Russians.
The Russians started with an Army that had little changed from its Soviet days, namely an artillery force that supported both manoeuvre and defence an an aviation arm that had sacrificed mass for capability, though coordination between air and ground forces is still a nascent capability. The manoeuvre force was armour heavy and reliant on indigenous forces to largely supply the bayonet strength and most of the armour itself was largely little changed from Soviet days in its capabilities. The artillery arm had continued on the track of modernisation, started in the 70’s, but had grasped the ability of drones to be a force multiplier and now fielded extremely accurate SRBM’s. The real force divider was the poor C3 capabilities, with the forces largely territorial defence role being cruelly exposed in the failed coup-de-main, as units struggled to keep in contact and mobile, secure repeater stations took far too long to set up, as they were designed for secure frontages and scripted deployment schedules.
Russias ace in the hole though was its AD that had technologically been unable to satisfy its doctrinal role until the advent of the latest generation of SAM systems, systems that were maturing or being operationally deployed as the conflict’s historical embers were being fanned by the West. It’s impact was massively boosted by the fact that the Ukrainians had no real counter to it, apart from sniping individual launchers, as their SEAD capability, both hard and soft, was completely inadequate for the task (iPads on Migs with HARMS does not a Wild Weasel make).
Sorry, bit of a ramble, one of my pet topics is the shadow of legacy issues on current operational deployments, especially the differing approaches countries have taken to design doctrinal responses to their socio-economic capabilities and limitations.
As for the end state of this conflict, it all depends on if the real objectives of both Russia and the US are those in the headlines, which is something I doubt. If Trump pulls off his counter-revolution then the entire security structure of the West could be upended as the cause of multi-generational ‘conflicts’ are finally exorcised, if he fails, we’re screwed.

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 22:12 utc | 125

nytimes above-the-fold right now:
Trump’s New Position on the War in Ukraine: Not My Problem
The subtitle: “President Trump appears to have backed off joining a European push for new snactions on Russia, seemingly eager to move on to doing business deals with Russia.”
Regime Media is messaging.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 20 2025 22:27 utc | 126

Why not a ceasefire?
No doubt this war was provoked by the west and it was primarily Russian patience why it did not transform into WW III, BUT:
I don’t understand why Russia does not make more concessions.
– Trump has shown a lot of understanding for the Russian position, it would be fair and wise to give him some success.
– It makes no sense to continue bombing on the frontline to
a) kill forcefully conscripted Ukrainians
b) make progress at a level that reaches Kiev in 2250 (the immediate collapse has been predicted for 3 years now…)
– Understandably, Russia does not want further weapon delivery, but for that it would suffice attacking specific targets with rockets.
Waging war just for territory is insane.

Posted by: RationalPeaceKeeper | May 20 2025 22:30 utc | 127

Empire’s don’t collapse in the span of a few years. Get a grip fellas.
Posted by: David F | May 20 2025 20:36 utc | 110
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You must have missed the end of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 22:33 utc | 128

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 22:11 utc | 125
Ooops,sorry. I got crossed wires with the Yushmash-Oreshnik event… which *you* and *we all* would like to know much more about. Yeah, both need proper cracking open… along with JFK’s demise!

Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | May 20 2025 22:35 utc | 129

Waging war just for territory is insane.
Posted by: RationalPeaceKeeper | May 20 2025 22:30 utc | 128
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Col McGregor detailed Russian military history on Daniel Davis’ show this morning.
The Russians do not fight for territory.
The obsession with territory is a Western thing, see muppets like Anonymous and Julian.
Everything that Russia is doing makes perfect sense from a Russian perspective. It doesn’t make sense to people who believe that men can become pregnant. LOL
Try to understand how the Russians have always fought, and then it will make sense. Or you can maintain the Western delusions that lost them this conflict, which is costing them other future conflicts like Iran and China.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 22:38 utc | 130

Posted by: juliania | May 20 2025 13:23 utc
Flummery /noun
A pudding made from the husks of oats
Blancmange
Anything insipid
Empty compliment, humbug or pretentiousness
Chambers.

Posted by: auximenes | May 20 2025 22:38 utc | 131

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 20:46 utc | 113
Agree 100%, Britain, at the start of WW2 had the most modern Army in the world, as regards communications and mobility, (shame about the doctrine though) that was because it had a solid techno-industrial base that was world-beating in key fields. Now, even if we doubled the British Army we could not equip or operationally sustain the expanded force though we could supply it cutting edge Wi-Fi for the inevitable flood of Tik-tok videos and demands for speedy downloads of porn that it would generate!
The US Armed forces nearly fell victim to this policy generated by displaced religious fervour and pure greed, but given that it seems to have dodged the proverbial bullet from the globalists it will be an interesting case study of industrial damage control and possible replenishment and growth.
Posted by: English Outsider | May 20 2025 21:30 utc | 119
This is why Trump’s actions regarding Ukraine are as much determined by his battle with the DS as they are with the facts on the ground. If his DS sponsored and guided critics can be effectively silenced, by removing their benefactor, then his room for manoeuvre is increased, which is why the state of Biden’s health and the growing, or more accurately resurfacing, auto-pen scandal and its implications are so intrinsically linked to the negotiations. Something Russia is all too aware of, which is why they are giving no ammunition to Trump’s increasingly beleaguered critics; remove the corrupted CNN headlines about Orange Man Bahd and you can focus on green fatigues, coke sniffing man bad instead and his legions of shadowy helpers.

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 22:39 utc | 132

Why not a ceasefire?
Waging war just for territory is insane.

(Not quoting the poster on purpose but it’s just a few entries above.)
Certainly obvious to most… Here we see the change from “muh attrition” (i.e. Russia can’t do it) to “why no ceasefire” (fake empathy). There’ll be more come. So Russia’s winning. And ending a won war can take a long time. Let’s hope Ukraine folds this year.

Posted by: Konami | May 20 2025 22:45 utc | 133

*** President Trump appears to have backed off joining a European push for new snactions on Russia, seemingly eager to move on to doing business deals with Russia.” ***
Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 20 2025 22:27 utc | 127
This appeals to the “Russia, Russia, Russia” crowd. They’re also trying to sprinke in a little “cowboy going is own way” from the GWB playbook.
The MAGA base sees drawing down NATO in Europe and doing deals that bring prices down a d manufacturing back to the USA as a “works for me” issue.
This narrative doesn’t have legs.

Posted by: frithguild | May 20 2025 22:47 utc | 134

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 22:11 utc | 125
Btw, what’s your best source of the most FACTUAL exposé about Nordstream? (no snark intended). I’ve never been 100% convinced by the Hersh thesis. Not a scrap of proof, then or since. There’s a difference behind who actually did it and who was behind it. So many layers of motive and misdirection. The above-mentioned video shows some incredible documented facts which clearly point back to Kiev as the actual executors.

Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | May 20 2025 22:49 utc | 135

You must have missed the end of the Soviet Union.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 22:33 utc | 129
Of course I did, because I was born yesterday, and haven’t had as much time as you to become an expert on anything and everything, regardless of the topic.
So as not to offend your delicate ears, or eyes as the case may be, I simply say you are a limp male reproductive organ.

Posted by: David F | May 20 2025 22:50 utc | 136

I always figured Covid was an engineered attack against China in a last ditch attempt to stop/scuttle their growth. Glad to see others have the same theories, it makes perfect sense.
Posted by: Silverfoxes | May 20 2025 21:26 utc | 118
Link 3/22/2020.
Article may be censored and unavailable to download in some areas. Quick summary:
July 2019: Viral labs at Fort Detrick shut down for various discrepancies.
Aug: outbreak of pnemonia blamed on vaping.
Sept: Soldiers train near Ft Detrick for World Military Games in Wuhan.
Oct: US sent 300 soldiers to the World Military Games, no other country sent as many, most sent fewer than 50. The sports center did not have accommodations for the huge US team. US team stayed at Oriental Hotel, 300m from Huanan Seafood Market. US team did poorly in games as many seemed to be coming down with ‘the flu’. 42 employees of Oriental Hotel were diagnosed with Covid, becoming the first cluster in Wuhan. 7 people at the seafood market were diagnosed with Covid. All 7 had had contact with US team members.

Posted by: Samu | May 20 2025 23:01 utc | 137

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 22:38 utc | 131
Like the delusions you entertain about actual Russian military capabilities, based on a three year plus conflict against a Western proxy supplied with hand-me-downs and ex-Soviet kit. Russia fights the way it fights because it has no other options that allow it a similar level of success, doctrine is not driven my choice, but by the capabilities and limitations of the force using it. Which is why armies who adopt, or who are pressured into following, an ‘alien’ doctrine normally perform poorly, for example Arab Armies who were incapable of reproducing the Soviet Operational Art, whereas the Israelis were more than capable of such a feat of arms which, combined with the IDF’s Western model of tactical training, proved operationally and strategically overwhelming for their opponent’s.

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 23:02 utc | 138

Posted by: frithguild | May 20 2025 22:47 utc | 135
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Humans are wild. We’ve been seeing nonsensical narratives for a few years, shovels, dishwasher microchips, stolen hypersonic tech, etc.
Now we’re hearing that an Empire cannot have a sudden collapse from the same people who thought that Russia was trying to capture Kiev in 3 days.
The upside is, this sort of mentally ill behavior is a tacit admission that the Empire is collapsing. “Winners” don’t behave like this.
Cope is for sore losers.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 23:03 utc | 139

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 23:02 utc | 139
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Now explain Yemen. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 23:04 utc | 140

The fact is, without aerial superiority, the West cannot win.
The West, and their genocidal children in Israel, are most effective bombing civilians, they can’t even clear buildings without crapping their pants, wildly firing in all directions and screaming for Mommy. Look how tough the IDF is bombing tents and hospitals as it starves children to death.
Now that a couple of countries have air defenses, the West’s doctrine isn’t fit for anything.
God, how I love when delusions unravel, the endless BS and cope that ensues from people who cannot handle getting beaten by non-whites with superior intellect.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 23:09 utc | 141

You must have missed the end of the Soviet Union.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 22:33 utc | 129

Well, I think the termites got into the foundations some decades earlier.
Look at the UK, the rot set in in 1902, we were bankrupt by 1916, yet the Empire expanded (and became loss making), only to be dismantled slowly, slowly after 1945.

Posted by: ChatNPC | May 20 2025 23:11 utc | 142

Like the delusions you entertain about actual Russian military capabilities,
Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 23:02 utc | 139

The delusions regarding Western military capabilities are far greater. Russia would kick NATO’s ass in a straight up fight.
The last chance they had “conventionally” would’ve been throwing all of US & NATO forces directly in with the AFU at the start of the SMO, and Russia would’ve had no choice (nor any reservation) but to nuke’em.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 20 2025 23:28 utc | 143

Many rightly see and say that Ukraine is the US’s proxy against Russia. But in fact, the US, via NATO, has been using the whole of Europe as a proxy against USSR/Russia since 1945. Duh. Good for the hegemonic idealogy, good for the MIC.
The US has, via its 80 years of Cold War fearmongering, been scaring the panties off Europe that Russia will invade it. That’s certainly been every US president’s position up till Jan 2025. And the little continental poofters congenitally believe it. They believe it so much that they’ve cut their own economic throats with their economic sanctions due to such a fantasy belief.
But many now suspect that Trump sees Putin’s Russia as no longer any US threat and more a useful trading ally. That seems his new direction, and would explain the US/EU rift. So, he gradually hands the management of the Soviet Ghost back to the EU.
I’d bet, that in several elections, Europe will come back to its senses, and meekly, quietly ramp down the Russophobic rhetoric. Only then can RF get the disbandenment of NATO and the sensible future security peace that Moscow advocates.
It’s just going to take time (a decade, imo) for the US and Europe to spin their 2022-2026 loss of the SMO from Russia-Baddie to Russia-OK. So long as no-one notices the loss … and Wiki can spin “we won not lost”.

Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | May 20 2025 23:33 utc | 144

Posted by: frithguild | May 20 2025 22:47 utc | 135
RE: don’t forget to note that this was a nytimes sub-heading, Regime Media orthodoxy in other words
<< To clarify: I merely reported what the nytimes was publishing above-the-fold by afternoon on 20 May. You were correct in surmising that this is *what* the Russia, Russia, Russia crowd wanted to hear because the Russia, Russia, Russia steps to the beat of the Regime Media drum. You betcha: the Regime Media *be* messaging.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 20 2025 23:35 utc | 145

Australia like the EU is part of the US protection racket, as such it can make no independent foreign policy, must hate China and Russia and is obliged to help kill people in 3rd world countries when the US invades. However ideologically it is more aligned with the Woke EU, it runs the whole climate change hoax, enforces DEI, censorship and idolizes anal sex in all its moral purity. As such expect the tanks are to satiate the EU rather than US, but of course it needed permission from the US, such obviously gladly given.

Posted by: Organic | May 20 2025 23:36 utc | 146

I do not think Trump and USA will wash their hands. Their and those from nazi israelis are beyond that as nothing could be more dirty. Maybe Hitler? Anyway…..if Russia continues the war, how about the deal about giving ukraine rare minerals to USA?

Posted by: Paulo | May 20 2025 23:41 utc | 147

karlof1 | May 20 2025 18:00 utc | 80
At one point in this conflict, when I was sympathetic to Zelenskyy, I thought he could be doing the denazification by sending the problematic (Azov etc.) units to the front to get eliminated.

Posted by: Pdidds | May 20 2025 23:42 utc | 148

Posted by: snake | May 20 2025 15:47 utc | 49
“Even if you identify that time table, you still need to know why would the State department be interested in Ukraine. Maybe private corporate Oligarch owned interest has sufficient political power to direct the resources of the resources of the USA?”
Probably a myriad of reasons, some which might reflect American interests, many which don’t. Illicit money directed to the Biden Mafia via Burisma and evidence of those ill-gotten gains which still exist in Ukraine; corrupt officials willing to look the other way so CIA run labs could cook up new biological weapons; schemes for Black Rock, Cargill, Monsanto, et. al to pick up thousands of square miles of rich farmland at pennies on the dollar, George Soros’ plans to create the perfect society and make a killing at the same time, etc. I’m guessing that the Deep State had six ways from Sunday to get rich from Ukraine.

Posted by: Paranaense | May 20 2025 23:42 utc | 149

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 23:04 utc | 141
You’ve just demonstrated your water-strider level of understanding when it comes to military matters, if you think the highly restricted mission, off the coast of Yemen, is indicative of the USN’s conventional capabilities.
Please explain when and where the Russian AD system has experienced a coordinated SEAD campaign, because mid-conflict it was struggling against a limited Ukrainian, ground based threat. As for the IDF’s capabilities, weren’t you saying they’d be thoroughly defeated, four months ago? I think you’re suffering from an acute form of confirmation bias, ironically similar in nature to the Western planners of the Ukraine operation, where individual tactical vignettes are magically expanded into operational capabilities. Mix in a bit of racialism and feelings of ideological superiority and that’s quite some toxic kool-aid cocktail your chugging, with a mule-kick of a hangover to boot.

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 23:43 utc | 150

Posted by: ChatNPC | May 20 2025 23:11 utc | 143
You could argue that the Soviet Union was collapsing at its inception, due to its foundations being ideologically fractured and global events occurring at its birth

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 23:46 utc | 151

Posted by: ChatNPC | May 20 2025 23:11 utc | 143
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Every Empire carries the seeds of its inevitable dissolution.
I believe that the Russians and Chinese (who Xi has made a point of educating the Chinese political class all about the fall of the USSR) have learned that Empire is fleeting and fragile.
The Western Empires (all of them, there were several) were contingent upon technological superiority supplemented by moral righteousness.
All government fears change because change is the one thing that big governments cannot do. Empire is the largest government of all.
As soon as those “advantages” were negated, the Empires started to hemorrhage power.
I’m still stunned (and grateful) that the West allowed the internet, as it is destroying the West from the inside out. Information always level playing fields.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 23:54 utc | 152

@ jared | 18
Only since many seem interested in words,…
peel – noun – ex: peel of a fruit
peal – verb – ex: the peal of a bell
b – thanks! I really appreciate the clear distillation down to the absurdity of a party to a conflict acting as if they can serve as peacemaker.

Posted by: nomnom | May 21 2025 0:03 utc | 153

You’ve just demonstrated your water-strider level of understanding when it comes to military matters, if you think the highly restricted mission, off the coast of Yemen, is indicative of the USN’s conventional capabilities.
Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 23:43 utc | 151

It’s HIGHLY indicative. They can’t defend carriers, they’ve lost a bunch of Reapers, and they almost lost an F-35. They’re doing long-range standoff attack missions — just like Israel’s missions against Iran — because their precious toys aren’t nearly as invisible as they’ve claimed.
The reason the RF tread carefully against the AFU’s AD is because it was in fact highly capable Russian-engineered AD, not the bogus Patriot, THAAD and SM3/SM6 stuff that has previously demonstrated it’s poor performance elsewhere.
The myth of Western airpower is the last great one. It too shall pass soon enough.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 21 2025 0:05 utc | 154

Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 20 2025 23:28 utc | 144
My dad’s tank could beat your dad’s tank levels of debate are surely for patrons who’ve imbibed over their personal limits? Again, on what factual foundations do you base this? If it’s the current conflict my original point stands, that you’re replicated the logical fallacy that helped create the current conflict.

Posted by: Milites | May 21 2025 0:05 utc | 155

Let’s abandon naivety.
Trump’s hands are not tied.
WYSIWYG.
As with Israel, this is what America is.
Trump started the SMO and pushed NATO expansion in his first term.
He could have ended this in the first week of his second term (he had a mandate) but chose not to do so.
Let’s abandon these childish myths about Trump saving the world but being restrained by the evil “Deep State”.
When someone repeatedly shows you who they are, believe them.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 20 2025 14:46 utc | 36
Bottom line for me, as an American: A television star elected President, campaigns on PEACE but after getting elected champions moar war.
Trump 2.0 is just Zelensky 2.0.
Pattern recognition anyone?
As for repeatedly showing us Americans who they are: When Trump 2.0 repeatedly attacks the only honest man in Congress, Thomas Massie, who by the way is the only one without an AIPAC babysitter, he becomes even more like Zelensky 2.0.
Trump’s as big a liar as the rest of the Uniparty he fronts for. Just like Zelensky.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 21 2025 0:06 utc | 156

You’ve just demonstrated your water-strider level of understanding when it comes to military matters, if you think the highly restricted mission, off the coast of Yemen, is indicative of the USN’s conventional capabilities.
Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 23:43 utc | 151
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I will admit, I don’t have a high-level understanding of the minutiae that you obsess over.
I just know guys from one of the poorest countries in the world chased another US aircraft carrier away.
If you can’t beat Ansar Allah, you’re not beating anyone.
Just like Israel’s inability to defeat Hamas. The Empire is built upon a bunch of lies about how capable it is, and increasingly is being exposed as a paper tiger. See India vs Pakistan. Western tech is failing everywhere.
And here you are, trying to convince everyone that the Emperor is wearing the latest fashion as he parades around naked as a jaybird.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 21 2025 0:08 utc | 157

Trump’s as big a liar as the rest of the Uniparty he fronts for. Just like Zelensky.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 21 2025 0:06 utc | 157
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I think it is a mistake to focus on Trump too hard.
Foreign policy wise he’s Biden, Obama, and GWB.
If one believes in continuity of agenda (and I do), then it doesn’t matter who the President is. That person is a figurehead, not an expert or leader.
Being honest with ourselves, what would Kamala have done re: foreign policy that would have been any different than Trump’s results? Ukraine. Palestine. China. It would all be the same, IMO.
Trump is more ambitious domestically, but he hasn’t realized any of it yet, and I think every day gets further and further from being able to do so.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 21 2025 0:12 utc | 158

@frithguild | Tue, 20 May 2025 16:37:00 GMT | 64

Parasites attract to any store of value, which is an object to be converted to its own purpose. So cluster B personalities with dark tetrad characteristics are drawn to governments like maggots to flesh. Government resistance to parasitic attacks become more diminished the more they become populated by the products of post modern education, which is nothing more than a formula for acquisition of power designed for psychopaths (Was Derida a deviant?).

Well, yes. There was even a scandal at some British university when Derrida was awarded a medal or something, and part of the faculty protested, claiming he is a charlatan. I think he is indeed.

Posted by: persiflo | May 21 2025 0:15 utc | 159

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 23:46 utc | 152
You could argue that the Soviet Union was collapsing at its inception, due to its foundations being ideologically fractured and global events occurring at its birth.

But you could then argue the same for any kind of structure, including Rome, Sassanids and so on throughout history. In the case of the USSR, there’s been interesting events along the way like the brutal civil war (much helped by many countries, as with the French revolution), a spurt of industrialisation, World War 2 (whatever its shortcomings, the USSR managed to beat a basically unified Europe), Sputnik & Gagarin.
Instead of judging the pros & cons of Soviet society (I grew up in the East, I know both), I stop with two remarks:
1. The system folded *extremely* peacefully, given its size and the ideological build-up. As if it wanted to showcase its oft-claimed “humanism” in demise.
2. The mere existence of the USSR is what allowed fifty or so happy years for the working class in the West. Dismantled by Pinochet, Thatcher and Reagan, starting well before 1989 but afterwards (“end of history”) the process accelerated to the sad state of today.

Posted by: Konami | May 21 2025 0:17 utc | 160

@Hoarsewhisperer | Tue, 20 May 2025 17:31:00 GMT | 78

My Mum used to make Flummeries.
They were a refrigerated dessert dish in which a flavoured milk-based liquid was whipped/beaten until it was frothy. If it was beaten for long enough it became frothy from top to bottom.
Problem was that it took so long to chill that the final result was a cold custardy dish with the consistency of junket and 1/2 an inch of froth on the top.
Mum only made it a few times which I assume is because there was a lack of appreciation which was scant reward for the time spent in preparing it…

It takes days. I know a story from southern Italy about a village where the women basically threw a party in some kitchen and whipped the Sorbet for three days until it was ready.

Posted by: persiflo | May 21 2025 0:23 utc | 161

Pdidds | May 20 2025 23:42 utc | 149–
Thanks for your reply. The problem is Azov was only one of many, while the main reservoir exists in Western Ukraine in the traditional Banderite lands. Much of the executive in inhabited by Nazis that Zelensky fronts for. The place is a mess.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2025 0:23 utc | 162

JohnH @ 85 and Milites
Root causes, more roots.
Moldova is talking about annexing historically claimed bits of Odessa.
Romania is key to this move and possible “reunification” and claims to Transnistria.
This is bound to trigger the emotionally sensitive drama queens infesting this blog.
President Putin always leaves it to the other officials to articulate the less diplomatic positions.
Medvedev obliged by starting Ukraine has 2 choices, agree to our terms or surrender unconditionally.
I expect Russia is eliminating every legal avenue for talks before declaring War.
NATO is then in the crosshairs.
I am not sure how Russia would react if “Ukraine” suddenly agreed to all ceasefire terms and then allow Romania and Moldova to annex parts of Odessa.

Posted by: Suresh | May 21 2025 0:32 utc | 163

Dear Milites
As much as I enjoy hearing your views, I am going to challenge the coordinated SEAD misconception.
Ukraine kept the Russian Air Force at bay for quite a long time until legacy Soviet AD was sufficiently degraded. WeSt(upid)ners AD is rubbish.
Yemen has successfully kept the mighty (deluded) US Navy and warplanes at extreme standoff range.
But the clincher is of course the rarely discussed deep dive into Iran’s dominance over US/Israel SEAD operations.
In all 3 situations above, the stand out is Legacy and new Russian AD.
Of course, it’s not prefect (see India’s degraded S400) but good enough to neutralized WeSt(upid) SEAD.

Posted by: Suresh | May 21 2025 0:53 utc | 164

Dear Milites
As much as I enjoy hearing your views, I am going to challenge the coordinated SEAD misconception.
Ukraine kept the Russian Air Force at bay for quite a long time until legacy Soviet AD was sufficiently degraded. WeSt(upid)ners AD is rubbish.
Yemen has successfully kept the mighty (deluded) US Navy and warplanes at extreme standoff range.
But the clincher is of course the rarely discussed deep dive into Iran’s dominance over US/Israel SEAD operations.
In all 3 situations above, the stand out is Legacy and new Russian AD.
Of course, it’s not prefect (see India’s degraded S400) but good enough to neutralized WeSt(upid) SEAD.

Posted by: Suresh | May 21 2025 0:53 utc | 165

Posted by: auximenes | May 20 2025 22:38 utc | 132
Thanks, auximenes! You sent me to my very battered 1941 Webster’s dictionary:
flum’mer.y [ W.llymru, or llymruwd, A food made of steeped oatmeal.]1. A soft food like pap. 2. A kind of custard. 3. Humbug; trash.
Followed immediately by:
flum’mox slang. To perplex; confound.
… And then to my very large Liddell and Scott…Boastful? Permanently boastful?
All good stuff.

Posted by: juliania | May 21 2025 0:55 utc | 166

Being honest with ourselves, what would Kamala have done re: foreign policy that would have been any different than Trump’s results? Ukraine. Palestine. China. It would all be the same, IMO.
Trump is more ambitious domestically, but he hasn’t realized any of it yet, and I think every day gets further and further from being able to do so.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 21 2025 0:12 utc | 159
I agree with your theory about continuity of agenda, no matter who shits behind the Resolute desk in the Oval orifice.
But…
I have a personal revulsion for anyone who lies to me, or plays me, or uses me. Or teases justice to wring the last ounce of hope from the growing despair, only to crush that tiny embryo of hope under his heel.
2016 I was firmly in the Trump cult. But I’ve not voted since then, because as my eyes were slowly opened I realized I cannot consent to any of this three-card-monte (look, Squirrel) being played on my People.
I don’t consent to genocide, Ukraine, Gaza, or anywhere else in the world. Not in my name, not with my tax dollars.
And then, for me, there is the matter of God watching all of this. And all I do. And all the choices every one is making, and all the truth that is being denied.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 21 2025 1:01 utc | 167

Posted by: Milites | May 20 2025 23:43 utc | 151
I generally agree with your observations about the failure of certain army;s etc to properly adopt relevant military doctrine, despite having the necessary equipment. However, I think you misunderstood Love Donbass @141.
He was referring to the failure of western doctrine as (apparently) employed by Saudi Arabia and their UAE allies to defeat the Yemeni Houthi “rebels” on the ground. -Not the more reent exchange of missiles and bombs between the USN and the Houthis- the details of which are still unclear in any case.
Perhaps you would argue that the Saudi’s did not fully adopt the western doctrine, despite the fact that they certainly had significant air support-probably directed by the UK or proxies.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 21 2025 1:07 utc | 168

The NATO Credo:
Let’s all act as if we have wax in our ears and cannot hear or even understand Putin’s simple set of claims he has always put forward if the SMO is to end.
Let’s all pretend Putin is Genghis Khan 2.0 wanting to take over the ‘free’ and ‘democratic'(laughs) world.
Let’s all pretend everything we say and do is destroying Russia, its economy, and Putin’s government. Let’s also pretend Russia is also running out of weapons and many more of its soldiers are dying than those in Ukrainian forces.
Let’s pretend that there is no BRICS or SCO
Let’s pretend we want peace.
Let’s pretend the fairy god mother destroyed Nord Streams 1 and 2.
Let’s pretend we are governing and working for the people we represent rather than the globalist elites and banks.
Let’s pretend that when we all get together and have a talk fest it actually is significant.
Let’s pretend that the big elephant US had nothing to do with Maidan nor cause of Ukraine’s hatred and war directed at Russia, and Ukraine’s belligerence against pro-Russians within the country. Let’s pretend that the US never wanted to destroy or weaken Russia because it cannot cope with any other rival countries in the world. Let’s also pretend the US is not doing the same for China.
Let’s pretend Ukraine can still win.
Let’s pretend Russia is making no advances right across the frontline.
Let’s pretend there are no NATO or American Forces in Ukraine
Let’s pretend Zelensky is not corrupt and crazy.
Let’s pretend Zelensky is still democratically elected.
Let’s pretend Europe is not committing suicide with its economies.
Let’s pretend China and Russia are the most aggressive countries in the world whereas the US is not.
Let’s pretend that when it is day it is really night.

Posted by: George | May 21 2025 1:14 utc | 169

Publicado por: Novato | 20 de mayo de 2025, 15:41 UTC | 47
I get the impression they’re entering from the south; they’ve already crossed the highway between Pokrovsk and Konstantinovka.
The road through Liman is difficult, with many forks and very entrenched.

Posted by: Rati | May 21 2025 1:19 utc | 170

Posted by: Rati | May 21 2025 1:19 utc | 171
I also noticed and wrote about this wedge last night – it’s like Gurkha knife blade starting to lash out and potentially create two separate cauldrons. It’s essentially moving over open land and separating the two major cities you mention.

Posted by: George | May 21 2025 1:24 utc | 171

@160 persiflo
Too bad you don’t like Derrida.
When I don’t understand something, I close the book and say to myself, “Not yet.” Many who read Derrida choose to whine and eviscerate his reputation when he says something they don’t like.
More or less the same as in Kierkegaard’s late years when he was getting tormented by the Jewish press The Corsair in Copenhagen and by the Public alike, it became fashionable to call someone a “Soren” when they were being dramatic or excessively melancholy or difficult.
Derrida said that every time he stepped into a university, he felt a certain trembling, because perhaps he was up against it.
Such charges leveled against men for simply behaving and writing responsibly and, as Kierkegaard noted, “without authority.”
Perhaps, not yet.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 21 2025 1:36 utc | 172

thanks b
you articulate this well… if i may – this conflict is between nato and russia and no amount of getting ukraine in on the conversation will change this root cause.. in fact, wanting to include ukraine in nato is where ukraine fits in… nato is a warmongering alliance which suits the usa and poodles just fine…. for the ”salesman” to hawk the idea this is between ukraine and russia, is more of the same constant bullshit the west regularly displays hoping that it’s citizenry will continued to be duped royally… many of us aren’t..
Posted by: james | May 20 2025 14:35 utc | 31
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Agreed, first, DJT needs to lose the tar baby and this is proper language for a good start. karlof1 has gone to great lengths to articulate the legal issues between Ukraine and Russia. Worth a good read, dadgummit.
DJT did not mention Z as the entity to engage Russia. Worth noting. Speculation abounds.
At some point, after the Ukies surrender, NATO may come up as a topic. Extermination of the Nazi vermin is the hard part before the end comes.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 21 2025 1:36 utc | 173

If it’s the current conflict my original point stands, that you’re replicated the logical fallacy that helped create the current conflict.
Posted by: Milites | May 21 2025 0:05 utc | 156

LOL, no, I just know a helluva lot more about military hardware than you do. Recent history simply confirms what I already knew and you fail to acknowledge.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | May 21 2025 1:49 utc | 174

So. A skip-skim of the thread.
And
Anonymous AWOL (but certainly not missed), but now we’ve been joined by a new flea lamenting that fighting for territory is stoopid.
So.
Russia grinds and “attrits” = Russia moving too slow, not taking territory = putin fail
Russia advances, ukies retreat = Russia taking territory = putin fail.
Ok. Got it. Something anything nothing everything = putin fail

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2025 1:51 utc | 175

English Outsider 119,
Outstanding comment, well expressed but…tempered by the fact that’s what I’ve come to expect from your nom de plume…based upon past performance. Do I disagree at the edges? Perhaps but, why quibble when that would make me appear more than a bit churlish? No, I think not, there’s already enough of that going on here without me throwing my hat into that ring. And frankly, my efforts couldn’t keep a candle lit in the hurricane wind of this blogs hate-filled-ass-sitting-revolutionaries.
English Outsider, your effort at reasoned argument and it’s implied course-of-action is to be commended…well done Magnifico!

Posted by: S Brennan | May 21 2025 1:55 utc | 176

I have a personal revulsion for anyone who lies to me, or plays me, or uses me. Or teases justice to wring the last ounce of hope from the growing despair, only to crush that tiny embryo of hope under his heel.
2016 I was firmly in the Trump cult.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 21 2025 1:01 utc | 168
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Growing up to learning hard and unfortunate things is a part of life.
Maybe I am a masochist, but I wouldn’t have it any other way.
I am not mad at Trump for not meeting my expectations of him in 2015. I am grateful because he snuffed out the last embers of hope and belief that I had in democracy. I don’t want to live believing in propaganda and mythologies.
You got it, we don’t consent. They are going to do whatever they want, whether we consent or not. In a way, that’s freeing. I cannot control any government, and I am not responsible for the evils that it will do.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 21 2025 1:56 utc | 177

@NemesisCalling || 173

Derrida said that every time he stepped into a university, he felt a certain trembling, because perhaps he was up against it.

That’s my impression, too. I know nothing from him that I like; not even his name, which reminds me of to deride. Do I understand him? No, if you’re asking me if he makes sense. Yes, if I’m allowed to use that against him.
I’d actually be interested in trying to settle the question. Care to suggest a text by him for a few of us barflies to read, to then get back at the point here?

Posted by: persiflo | May 21 2025 1:57 utc | 178

I wonder why Putin avoids pointing out to the Collective West in negotiations what they perpetrated against Russia in the 1990’s – the vulture capitalist looting that caused a lot of misery and death and nearly destroyed the country. That’s exactly what they want to do again but without being thwarted by Putin. Maybe it’s because some of the Russian oligarchs that had colluded with those Western robbers are still around with their hands in the till representing a potential threat. Maybe Putin wants to leave a window open to future business with the West on reasonable terms, perhaps a delusion ignoring the seething irrational hatred and the crookedness more broadly the Western financiers and their political minions harbor against Russia that render them not only politically-diplomatically non-agreement-capable but also in business dealings. The sanctions, asset seizure, and Trump’s tariffs may have finally driven that reality home.

Posted by: norecovery | May 21 2025 1:58 utc | 179

@ Acco Hengst | May 21 2025 1:36 utc | 174
i agree with you on all accounts.. i am reading a very interesting book by wolfgang streeck at the moment, published in 2024 called “takeing back control? states and state systems after globalism”..
streeck is an interesting fellow, german, and head of the max plunk institute in cologne.. he seems to imply the european union is a failed experiment, although these are my words.. essentially nato seems to oversee most of the european union decision, which implies the usa is calling the shots with europe.. further, the uk, which left the eu- brexit) has become the 2nd in command in pushing the usa agenda, more as a deputy to them… all in all, the european union is militarizing, at the insistence of nato and the euro leaders who are anxious of the possible vacuum caused by the usa under trump.. it is a fascinating read and i am half way thru the book..

Posted by: james | May 21 2025 2:06 utc | 180

It’s been many months since I checked any maps, or consulted the yt yapping-mapping commentariat, but today took a peek at just the headlines from Weeb Union.
-Russian Forces capture 11sqkm in one assault. (20hrs ago)
-RUAF capture Romanivka Operationally Encircling (1 day ago)
-RUAF capture Bahatyr 40km Deepstrike FPV Drone (2 days ago)
If it wasn’t already obvious why FUKDEPUR were “demanding” a ceasefire … Ukraine has been given the attrition treatment and is now ready for the retreat to Lvov treatment.
Not to say the Russians won’t stop and attrit along the way, if that’s the treatment needed.
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Aussieaussieaussie, oi oi oi. After two years of prevarication and bureaucracy… our second hand abrams are on the way…. To save the day…
[er… become burnt out metal carcasses on the Ukrainian rear-near-front
The story of the second-hand abrams should be given the Working Dog comedy team treatment (barflies are familiar with the skit…. “We’re spending $xyz to protect ourselves from China”)

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2025 2:09 utc | 181

Posted by Silverfoxes
I have the same idea, concerning covid.

Posted by: António Lico | May 21 2025 2:17 utc | 182

You got it, we don’t consent. They are going to do whatever they want, whether we consent or not. In a way, that’s freeing. I cannot control any government, and I am not responsible for the evils that it will do.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 21 2025 1:56 utc | 178
You’re so right. On all counts.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 21 2025 2:50 utc | 183

RT posted a partial readout of what Putin had to say to Trump.
Why does he seem so conciliatory toward the US? He knows it’s the US proxy war and if they were serious about ending it, they would stop weapons deliveries, get ZioJew boy on a plane to Israhell and tell the EU hyenas to back off!
Part of the RT article made it seem as if Vlad and Russia are begging for crumbs from the US table on lifting of sanctions and increasing trade.
The US doesn’t care that they are the root cause.
Trump is the consummate bullshitter. Why doesn’t Russia GET that???

Posted by: Kay | May 21 2025 2:50 utc | 184

10 year treasury keeps ticking above 4.5%
No money
No more war
De-dollarization brings peace…. in 2027

Posted by: Exile | May 21 2025 3:01 utc | 185

2. The mere existence of the USSR is what allowed fifty or so happy years for the working class in the West. Dismantled by Pinochet, Thatcher and Reagan, starting well before 1989 but afterwards (“end of history”) the process accelerated to the sad state of today.
Posted by: Konami | May 21 2025 0:17 utc | 161

The late 1970’s and early 1980’s were only great in the Western countries for people who love Stagflation and being out of work collecting benefits each week.
Stagflation was the thing they told us could never happen but apparently central banks around the world at the time were those type of drivers who keep one foot on the accelerator and the other foot on the brake pedal and unwittingly press down both at the same time.

Posted by: Tel | May 21 2025 3:07 utc | 186

@LoveDonbass:
“Let’s abandon these childish myths about Trump saving the world but being restrained by the evil “Deep State”.
Indeed! I can’t tell you how sick I am of this childish propaganda.
This war belongs to Trump just as much as it did Brandon and Obomber. Different puppet, same elite goal: balkanize Russia on the way to conquering China, and steal all of its resource wealth.
The population that buy Trump’s total bullshit is astounding. I fear Americans will never wake up….

Posted by: Kay | May 21 2025 3:15 utc | 187

@ karlof1 | May 20 2025 18:00 utc | 80
Responding to your “As I understand the historic process of the Banderite phenomenon, it began either before or during WW1 within the Hapsburg Empire, also known as the Austro-Hungarian Empire, that the seed was implanted.”
Indeed, the seeds of Ukrainian nationalism were sown in the Austro-Hungarian Empire first, already beginning perhaps in the 1840s. It arose because when mass education to produce mass literacy began, there had to be a decision made about what exact standard language would be used, and Austria (as Galicia was in the Austrian part of that empire) had to be careful to balance all the different languages and their emergent nationalities.
Galicia, East and West, had formerly been part of the Kingdom of Poland that was annexed by Austria in 1772 in the First Partition. In the Kingdom of Poland, the elites spoke Polish, and the city of Lwow (now Lviv) had a Polish majority, but otherwise only West Galicia, with Krakow, was Polish, while East Galicia, including the territory surrounding Lwow, was Rusyn, which came to be called in English Ruthenian. The East Slavs at that time were a continuum, so if you went from Lwow to Moscow, you would find no linguistic boundary, but the speech of East Galicia was quite different from Moscow, just as Sicilian was different from Lombard or Tuscan in Italy.
The Austrian government wanted to use the Rusyns of East Galicia, who were not so educated or urbanized, against the more advanced Polish nationalism that was laying claim to all of Galicia, but they did not want them to identify as Russians lest that give the Russian Empire a right to claim East Galicia as terra irredenta. So they facilitated that the East Slavs of East Galicia identify as something else, at first Ruthenians, then later as Ukrainians. And out of that alone Ukrainian nationalism was born. A Ukrainian nationalist historian even identified East Galicia as the Piedmont of Ukraine, that is, the kernel or nucleus out of which Ukrainian nationalism grew. It did not grow up naturally in the Russian Empire, but it spread into it from the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
While the Catholic East Galicians were the earliest and remain today the most fervent Ukrainian nationalists, resembling Zionists in their one-track minds and intolerance of any opposition to their project, unfortunately it seems they have been able to persuade a lot of the other inhabitants of Soviet and post-Soviet Ukraine to adopt Ukrainian nationalism. I believe they would have been better off to simply integrate with Russia, or at least to be like the Belarussians, 80% of whom have Russian as their mother tongue and who have maintained a more or less symbiotic relationship with Russia. Since there was never any previous defined ethnic boundary between Russia and Ukraine, the process of splitting was bound to be messy, even though Russia up to 2014 bent over backwards to let Ukraine keep the whole territory of the Soviet Ukraine, as long as it didn’t desert neutrality or persecute Russians and the Russian language. Instead, because of US aggression led by the traitorous neocons, it ended up in the ugly war we have.
Probably a lot of the inhabitants of Ukraine would not care whether they were citizens of Russia or citizens of Ukraine, if only they could have peace. Thus things remain very unsettled, and Stalin’s mistake in annexing East Galicia cannot now be undone. One hates to leave the Ukrainians of the middle to the tender mercies of the East Galician fanatics. Maybe calmer views will prevail when the people assess the real causes of the war and its costs.

Posted by: Cabe | May 21 2025 3:36 utc | 188

@ Kay | May 21 2025 2:50 utc | 187
quote “Why doesn’t Russia GET that???”
they get it.. don’t worry, they get it… you don’t get that they get it.. that is what is missing in your thinking..

Posted by: james | May 21 2025 3:37 utc | 189

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 20 2025 21:55 utc | 123
Now if you are feeling helpful, tomorrow is six months to the day since the appearance of some mysterious, fast-moving lights descending through the clouds above Dniepropetrovsk, yet footage of the aftermath doesn’t seem to be available.
And some mention of the “orishnick Phenomenon” earlier-That is-
-Posted by: ostrr | May 20 2025 13:02 utc | 5
“ There’s nothing in the “western” armies that could intercept it. None of the standard or non-standard newspapers like to write about it. And, they are not talking nukes too these days. If Oreshnik is used again, Starmer, Micron and that nazi Merz would shit in pants.
And, by the way, the US knows about Oreshnik, but won’t talk about that, as that would show that Russia has the upper hand.”
It is undoubtedly true that any mention of Orishnick in western press or news bulletins is noticeable by its absence.
I think Ostri may well be correct and the US (at least) knows enough about the system to have made them significantly less belligerent towards the RF. The US has not recently made any stupid provocative utterances like those often blathered out by Anthony Blinkrn of the previous administration. The EU may not be in the loop, or has failed to appreciate any messages, since many members of that collective still seem bent on banging the “Russia wants to conquer all of Europe” drum. Oh well, I cannot correct their delusions.
Whatever, the demonstration of this system in Dnipro last November does seem to have set the saner western militaries and politicians back on their haunches for a bit.
In a post on an earlier thread I wrote –
I hate the term “game changer”, but Orihnick does seem to present the collective west with a similar strategic/conceptual problem as faced by the USSR 1n1945 after the existence of the Atom bomb was revealed.
I repeat it here since it does seem relevant.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 21 2025 3:43 utc | 190

“Eliminate the root cause of the problem”, he says.
The root cause of all geopolitical problems is the apparently innate desire of a group of people to dominate another group of people.
Good luck with that.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | May 21 2025 4:08 utc | 191

@JohnH:
“Alternatively, Rumania is being prepped as the new frontline, once Ukraine falls out of their orbit and becomes an ideological no-man’s land, where the Great Game can be resurrected in a Cold-War styled theme park…”
Indeed. The US is not only incompetent but utterly stupid.
Not having won a war in ages (if ever), it seems that despite the proverbial ass kicking the US and it’s ZioJew boy puppet in Ukraine will ultimately get, instead of having time to reflect and not repeat the same mistakes, they will just utilize another proxy war to keep Russia off balance
At some point Russia will be forced to oreshnik these morons

Posted by: Kay | May 21 2025 4:31 utc | 192

Posted by: English Outsider | May 20 2025 21:30 utc | 119
Thanks for that, English Outsider. We aren’t different, any one of us. These have been hard times, heart breaking times. I think it will be better. Soon.

Posted by: juliania | May 21 2025 4:32 utc | 193

Posted by: norecovery | May 21 2025 1:58 utc | 180
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I think that Putin and, to a lesser degree, China, want the West to figure out for themselves that their systems are failures.
Many people don’t want to (can’t) wrap their heads around the government they identify with doing bad things or not working well.
Many Americans will disregard anything Putin says about the American system. The average punter isn’t seeking the truth. They are seeking comfort and reassurance.
Westerners will figure things out, or they won’t. With the internet being ubiquitous these days, the only reason why people would be ignorant is if they purposefully avoid learning things.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 21 2025 4:40 utc | 194

Not sounding desperate. Not one bit.
§|~ Ukraine is a vital strategic ally to the United States, and it will remain so for decades and centuries to come.
Its geopolitical position makes it paramount that we defend it with modern military equipment and support.
https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-is-a-us-strategic-asset-dont-lose-it/

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 21 2025 5:24 utc | 195

Posted by: Exile | May 20 2025 12:59 utc | 4

Thank you for highlighting the core objective of Moscow, namely roll back of NATO to 1997.

If I remember correctly, during first month of SMO, I think Lavrov or Peskov gave interview and said goals have been expanded to completely clenching of Europe of different countries nukes stationed in it. Meaning no more NATO or US nukes in any country there, UK, France can have theirs of course.
Strangely there is no talk about that, but I wouldn’t bet this is not something Russia is not working on.

Posted by: Abe | May 21 2025 5:57 utc | 196

*cleansing

Posted by: Abe | May 21 2025 5:59 utc | 197

I just read this comment on RT News. It concerns Trump’s newest claim that he would make a “golden dome” to protect Americans by the end of his term in office. More IMPOTUS piffle/waffle
“This man Trump is just another idiot. He really doesn’t care about the American people. He can stick his golden dome in his ass. The American people suffer and those idiots Zionist’s neocones always have money for stupid wars, melitary and all those useless gestapo agencies and Israel. Instead of fucking golden dome he should give to Americans proper health care and do something about the inflation. The infrastructure in America is braking down and is old and this idiot Trump is trying to be another Regan. That is what happens when the people keep electing actors, clowns and real estate hustlers for presidents.”
https://www.rt.com/news/617940-golden-dome-missile-shield-trump/

Posted by: George | May 21 2025 6:34 utc | 198

After so long still talking past each other.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20250521/us-expects-terms-for-ukraine-ceasefire-this-weak-from-russia–rubio-1122100072.html

Posted by: Surferket | May 21 2025 6:46 utc | 199

Posted by: Cabe | May 21 2025 3:36 utc | 192
RE: Probably a lot of the inhabitants of Ukraine would not care whether they were citizens of Russia or citizens of Ukraine, if only they could have peace.
<< Gerard Toal’s book NEAR ABROAD serves as the gold standard of post-Euromaidan works in English on the geostrategic relationship between Ukraine and Crimea *after* The Return (marked by the referendum of March 2014.) Published in 2017, NEAR ABROAD analyzes the occupied/not occupied binary regarding Crimea and the Donbass Regions and finds that “all these spaces are essentially *more than occupied.*” Toal calls them “contested territories with longstanding distinctive regional ties and identities to Russia.” His survey in December 2014 asked Crimeans if the peninsula should be demilitarized or if it should be a home for Russian military forces and found that 88% believed Crimea should be a home for Russia’s military forces. Toal’s interpretation was that when the rhetoric of occupation defines disputed territories strictly in terms of a Russian military presence or not, this “can lead to a misperception that locals are mere puppets or dupes of the Russians with no agency or agenda of their own. More perniciously, it can lead to the perception of Moscow supporting local residents of Crimea as Fifth Columnists [ against Ukraine .]” Toal reminded his readers that a sizable percentage of these peninsula-dwellers had lived their wholes lives there and were people who in many cases traced their generational roots back not just to Catherine’s acquisition of Crimea but to their Greek roots too: one of the earliest of historic records shows the peninsula as an Athenian wine colony. In sum, Toal’s NEAR ABROAD details vividly how trouble in Donbass *preceded* the post-Euromaidan civil war *by decades.* To ignore that is to ignore the internal complexities of the frictions which develop when ethno-linguistic communities cannot agree *whether* to live together, much less *how* to do so. BTW: Toal is a professor of history/geography @ Virginia’s Polytechnic University. In a WaPo op-ed from March 2020, Toal wrote that “the vision of Crimea as occupied territory is out of sync with the material and attitudinal realities of contemporary Crimea. Toal discovered in a poll of 2100 Ukrainians, 9% of whom identified as Russian-ethnic Ukrainians, that a majority of citizens wished to strike positive relationships or neutrality with both the West and with Russia: Toal found an aspiration “to get along.” Most of those polled rejected the either/or terms of the West/Russia antagonism. This was March 2020. "Und wenn der Mensch in seiner Qual verstummt, Gab mir ein Gott, zu sagen, was ich leide"—-Goethe. <>
Gab mir ein Gott—!

Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 21 2025 6:53 utc | 200