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May 2, 2025
Trump Tops Tariffs On China With Sanctions

This will be fun:


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President Trump has announced to put secondary sanctions, i.e. prohibition of any commerce exchange with the U.S., on any country that imports oil or oil products from Iran.

This is just another click on the sanction ratchet. The last ones, six or so weeks ago, had no serious impact:

The tightened U.S. sanctions on Iranian oil flows under the Trump Administration’s renewed maximum pressure campaign have created chaos in Iran’s oil exports to its single biggest buyer, China.

However, Iranian exports to China, which buys around 90% of the Islamic Republic’s oil, continue as traders and middlemen rearrange tanker flows and increase ship-to-ship transfers, especially offshore Malaysia, vessel-tracking analysts say.

The latest U.S. sanctions have managed to disrupt trade as the number of non-sanctioned tankers is steadily falling. But exports from Iran to China continue at a rate similar to those of the past few months …

The original 'maximum pressure' sanctions were solely aimed at Iran:

The Trump Administration .. is actively seeking to collapse these exports – currently estimated at 1.5 million bpd-1.6 million bpd – by ratcheting up pressure on the financial system and governments in the region, which aid Iran’s oil export efforts and oil revenue collection.

“We will close off Iran's access to the international financial system by targeting regional parties that facilitate the transfer of its revenues. Treasury is prepared to engage in frank discussions with these countries,” Secretary Bessent said at the Economic Club of New York last week.

“We are going to shut down Iran's oil sector and drone manufacturing capabilities.”

That did not work as expected. The new secondary sanctions are targeting Iran's best customer – China.

I have no doubt that China, despite the threat of secondary sanctions, will continue to buy oil from Iran.

Trump already had to make carve-outs for automobile parts and other irreplaceable stuff from the sky-high tariffs he had imposed on products from China. There are also exemptions for pharmaceutical precursors and products. U.S. healthcare depends on those products from China.

As China is unlikely to give in the secondary sanctions related to Iran will make these exemptions irrelevant.

The fun part of this will come when Trump will have to retreat from it as soon as the results of his bluster threaten to hurt the U.S. economy.

Comments

The shit show continues until it doesn’t.
Why is humanity at war with itself? Because the God Of MaMmon cult of social cancer we are experiencing do not want to let go of their top down form of social control/organization…..the beatings will continue until morale improves…./s
Will the US really try to stop shipping of oil from Iran to China?…….How?

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 2 2025 16:11 utc | 101

@ 50…, CullenBaker would be here simping for Trump but he’s too busy delivering his once worn Chinese made clothing to the Goodwill.

Posted by: ScreamingMonk | May 2 2025 16:14 utc | 102

The Donald is going to end the usery of the fake Dollar and return the US and the world to sound money
Posted by: Hot Carl | May 2 2025 10:42 utc | 25
And what’s sound money ? You haven’t the first clue about it.
We’ve heard it all before from you clowns. How BRICS were going to do this, BRICS was going to do that. Sound money bullshit here and sound money bullshit there. Blah, blah, blah, blah and blah.
What happened ??
BRICS ignored your nonsense 100%. You lied and lied and lied and as always you were wrong. We’re not even mentioned never mind completely ignored.
BRICS ain’t that stupid. Now jog on back to zero hedge where you belong. With your fantasies.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 2 2025 16:15 utc | 103

ChatNPC @ 89
Food has a very strong psychological aspect.
Dont urinate on your food. Unless your weared and what to eat alone.
My advice to trump is both similar and extremely important…
Never piss on your food chain 😎

Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2025 16:16 utc | 104

Who the fuck does Trumpian Phoneyfart think he is.
He’s a fucking travelling circus without any clothes.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 2 2025 16:20 utc | 105

Well, if Trump is trying to disrupt trade and isolate the US
he is on the right track.
It would be nice to believe that he has a plan
but what happened with the Dirt Deal … it’s hard to believe that that was his plan (appears to be Zelensky’s plan).

Posted by: jared | May 2 2025 16:21 utc | 106

I remind the bar that all sanctions not approved by the UNSC are illegal and no nation needs to obey them. Trying to enforce illegal sanctions would be considered an act of war. Secondary sanctions are just as illegal as primary sanctions, and no nation need obey them. China has said to RoW–Just Say NO! to the illegal bully–we can trade and promote development amongst ourselves and can do without the bully, its currency and other structures it designed to control the world. Yes, things might be difficult for a few years, but that’s much better than being enslaved forever.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 2 2025 16:23 utc | 107

Those in Russia who trust Trump. It’s time they stepped away from the crack pipe.
It’s continuity of agenda and has been from the get go.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 2 2025 16:25 utc | 108

Why is “ect.” such a common mistake for “etc.”? Just remember: “ET Cetera” – “Et” meaning “and” in Latin, as in “Et tu, Brutus?”

Posted by: Klaus | May 2 2025 16:25 utc | 109

The current occupation is by US forces. Once it ends, it is time for another reckoning.
Posted by: Norwegian | May 2 2025 10:56 utc | 28
Your words in God’s ear.

Posted by: Passerby | May 2 2025 16:33 utc | 110

Hot war on Iran within a year. I fucking predicted this at MOA in 2019 assuming Trump won in 2020.
Goddamn bank on it “antiwar” MAGA fuckwits.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 2 2025 16:36 utc | 111

This is Modis moment of truth. Cut bait or fish.
Im going to get a hernia from laughing. NO BUSINESS WITH USA F YOU DONT DO AS WE SAY. Uh who cares? But once again USA is placed in the role of a tyrant not a partner. Was the dollar based on nothing? No, It was based on USA being king kong. On fidelity. On the idea of impartial justice. All of that has been destroyed. It was not based on being a tyrant gofundme.
The final barrier to the end of the dollar is pricing energy in dollars.
The future is very hard to predict. Is the future no one wanting to hold the hot potato dollars and treasuries? It probably wont come apart just like that. The actions taken accelerate dollar devaluation on a scale not previously seen. Every aspect of dollar value is under attack by DJT. Following the attack by FJB. These are significant attacks and they come on the reality of a questionable premise and 47 trillion dollars of unpayable debt.
Trumps one action creating trust and stability is reproachment with Russia and the end of the Ukraine war. The war gos on. Now Trump says the Ukraine war is cool if we get some minerals out of it.
DJT the wile e coyote president
If you think DJTs owners dont have a replacement in mind as they eliminate the high energy use per capita the dollar requires your smoking dope. China Russia and Iran hold the future in their hands. DJT knows full well what he is doing. This is not a “mistake”. DJT knows full well China is not going to come cut a deal on bizaare terms.
The ordinary Chinese citizen sees it. DJT is destroying the dollar. The ordinary USA citizen cant see it. Its inconceivable.
The next president will reveal what fate its owners have prepared for it. A radical as DJTs actions are they are just prep.

Posted by: LosBanos | May 2 2025 16:36 utc | 112

I’m happy to be alive in this interesting time 😄.

Posted by: Steve | May 2 2025 16:37 utc | 113

Thx for recommending Berletic with Haiphong. I agree about the smoke screen. War on Europe and its juicy market of pensioners which is going to double in number in the next 15 years. But add that VdL and Macron are already on board for a full integration, because they have been aligning EU laws to the US one for the past decade.

Posted by: Tom | May 2 2025 16:45 utc | 114

He’s making a big hit down here in Mexico. Their we’ll hunt down any ‘immigrant’ vid caused the Mx Gov to ban all foreign media ads on Natl media. MAGAs occasionally make local news down here, too. Shocking though that may be. LOL

Posted by: Ralph Conner | May 2 2025 16:46 utc | 115

Doctor Eleven | May 2 2025 13:33 utc | 55
I agree with most of your post. Pure unfettered greed and a vast over estimation of their actual ability to coerce others is how this was squandered.
Chalking it up to stupidity is a mistake. Their agenda and the common persons agenda are not the same, so looking at their actions through the common persons world view, it does appear to be stupid.
They are achieving their goals. What their actual goal is isn’t known to me.

Posted by: David F | May 2 2025 16:55 utc | 116

@ ScreamingMonk | May 2 2025 16:14 utc | 102
that’s funny.. post more often, lol..

Posted by: james | May 2 2025 16:56 utc | 117

” Help me Putin, help me, please help me Putin, these bad people are trying to stop me . ”
If Russia can’t see through that bullshit. Then God help us.
“Trump’s team is divided.” – Like fuck it is. They’ve been playing good cop, bad cop from the get go.
CONTINUITY OF AGENDA !!

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 2 2025 16:57 utc | 118

Off topic:
Walts article on Diego Garcia – shocking and horrifying
https://www.unz.com/article/the-chagos-islands-scandal/

Posted by: Exile | May 2 2025 17:01 utc | 119

Protests by unpaid Chinese workers spread amid factory closures
https://www.rfa.org/english/china/2025/04/29/china-us-tariff-protests-workers-wages/

Posted by: Dogon Priest | May 2 2025 17:04 utc | 120

He is just practicing, main idea is try this on Russia. And save billions, billions, billions and billions. Beautiful secondary sanctions

Posted by: Preki | May 2 2025 17:08 utc | 121

The trouble with DJT is that he’s lazy, stupid, self-worshiping and allergic to homework.
If he had spent an hour on the phone, bouncing his China Sanctions daydream off experts within the US of A, they could have warned him about China’s monopoly on Rare Earths and the implications for AmeriKKKan “prestige”.
But he was too lazy, stupid etc and now he’s the President of the Stupidest Country on the planet.
Nice work, Donald!

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 2 2025 17:11 utc | 122

My best guess is that they have something on Trump and are somehow threatening both him and Vance with impeachment – if he steps outside certain bounds. That is a rumor that is about.
But also there is that at least half of Trumps own party want the surrogate war on Russia to continue so they might threaten to allow impeachment to proceed.
There was something odd about the supposed release of the “Epstein files” – it did not happen. I think one reason that might happen is if there is still investigation on-going. So that may create a difficult situation for Trump, if he is target of the investigation.
Anyway, whatever it may be I think that there must be cause for Trump’s erratic behavior.

Posted by: jared | May 2 2025 17:13 utc | 123

» ALERT … Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Are Truth Social zit squeezes now the diplomatic channel?
So far, public announcements by Trump & other officials are at the level of High School bro’s.
It is so utterly juvenile that it can only be evaluated clinically by other parties.

Posted by: Webej | May 2 2025 17:22 utc | 124

Posted by: Badjoke | May 2 2025 10:14 utc | 17
This contribution is not elevating the quality of the bar.
Throwing insults is detrimental to all here.
Who said our Norwegian agrees with the government and the people in Norway?
When I was working there at BBS most coworkers were progressives just like us. Of course some of them were pro atlanticists and my input was not always well received 🙂 But that was never a reason to insult or even dislike each other.

Posted by: Stephane | May 2 2025 17:24 utc | 125

The fun part of this will come when Trump will have to retreat from it as soon as the results of his bluster threaten to hurt the U.S. economy.

Posted by b on May 2, 2025 at 8:46 UTC
There might well be a retreat even sooner, once he discovers these latest sanctions are completely unenforceable in any meaningful way.
I’m sure something was said somewhere along the lines of “The more the empire tightens its grip, the more people slip through its fingers” (might have been long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away. Two days early but what the heck, May the Fourth be with you).

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 2 2025 17:36 utc | 126

Posted by: Dogon Priest | May 2 2025 17:04 utc | 120
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RFA is a Western propaganda outlet.
You discredit yourself by citing them.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 17:54 utc | 127

Posted by: Webej | May 2 2025 17:22 utc | 124
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Trump uses TruthSocial because it is an echo chamber 100% under his editorial control.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 17:57 utc | 128

Mary | May 2 2025 14:08 utc | 61
“China has been holding back on fertilizer exports in general, I think to meet their own needs.”
Hmm, now why would that be? I’m sure it has nothing to do with a coming “soy gap”! 😛

Rubiconned | May 2 2025 10:09 utc | 16
“So who blew up Iran’s major port then?”
I have no idea. But one thing I know for sure is who it was that _let_ Iran’s major port _get_ blown up. Do you want to know? 😉

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | May 2 2025 17:57 utc | 129

Even America’s puppet states like Japan are pulling back on the puppet strings and calling the USA’s so-called tariff/trade wars for what they really are: an American Extortion campaign.
‘American Extortionists’: Japan Leader’s Roaring Speech Shocks Trump, U.S. Amid Tariff War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIao2kkB7Gg&si=yQ8aw5YsOhrQ62Ky

Posted by: ak74 | May 2 2025 18:00 utc | 130

I remind the bar that all sanctions not approved by the UNSC are illegal and no nation needs to obey them. Trying to enforce illegal sanctions would be considered an act of war.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 2 2025 16:23 utc | 107
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Friend, next you will be informing us that genocide is a crime.
This is about power, not justice. The powerful often use justice as a mask to punish their enemies, but it has absolutely nothing to do with morality or fairness.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 18:01 utc | 131

What remains when Beoing goes bankrupt?
Posted by: Shahmaran | May 2 2025 15:54 utc | 94

Boeing will be declared a strategically important industry and will receive a combination of bailouts and cost-plus contracts to keep it solvent. No problem unless the Fed/Treasury printing machine suffers a serious malfunction.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | May 2 2025 18:02 utc | 132

Now I understnad why the Trump administration is increasing the “defense” budget by 13% to $ 1 trillion.

Posted by: WMG | May 2 2025 18:02 utc | 133

“My best guess is that they have something on Trump”
Tell me.
Is it logical that trump palled around with Epstein at the height of his playboy Manhattan days long before any political aspirations and didnt sample the wares?
Providing dirt is entry to the club.
My guess miles of super 8 film in the Trump file long ago digitalized.
Why was the truth suppressed in regard to Epstiens customers?
Not one independent journalist?
One single impartial talented investigator would have tore a hole in that filthy rat nest you could drive a truck through. With or without Epstien breathing. Maxwell is the real master blaster anyway. She would never talk I dont think.
Who owns bartertown?
The same owners that dont want to pay USAs high energy per capita anymore.
Just for the record. Individuals do things. Individuals should be held accountable. No more no less. Justice holds individuals accountable. Anything else is not justice and is usually injustice. Beautiful people victimized.
The reality is the Epstein event proved there is no accountability.
Virginia the one single victim who dared speak is dead.
The silence is deafening.
Cartels dont play.
A cartel is not a leader nation. That is impossible. While a cartel enforces its rules it is not truly justice. It may pretend to be justice but it is not. Compliance is not powerful like cooperation and agreement. The skills of cooperation and agreement blow everything else out of the water. That is the true sadness of exceptionalism.
Justice means those subject to it agree to it. Without buy in it is not justice. No one really likes justice. Its like exercise. Necessary but not top of the fun list. Without agreement that justice is necessary it can not exist. That requires it is impartial. Force can exist without it being justice. Force without justice is selective not impartial.

Posted by: LosBanos | May 2 2025 18:03 utc | 134

Just another bit of irrelevant performative bluster from the Americans. They worked out that it would be a very, very bad idea to attempt to bomb Iran so they had to assuage their anger with this performative bullshit. This administration is failing far faster than I expected, it has its foot to floor as it accelerates toward the wall.
The Russians will continue with war-war, the Chinese with the tariffs chicken game, and Iran with ignoring the US. And everyone outside the West with slowly disengaging themselves from the madhouse.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | May 2 2025 18:03 utc | 135

Well, if Trump is trying to disrupt trade and isolate the US
he is on the right track.
It would be nice to believe that he has a plan
but what happened with the Dirt Deal … it’s hard to believe that that was his plan (appears to be Zelensky’s plan).
Posted by: jared | May 2 2025 16:21 utc | 106
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Reading between the lines, Trump has been getting hammered politically, and he needed a “win,” so they created a hasty deal to have something to celebrate and justify a media tour.
Expect more of this as the effects of cutting off Chinese trade emerge after domestic inventories are exhausted.
On the nervousness scale, Trump is only at a 3 right now. I expect him to be at 8 by the end of the summer.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 18:05 utc | 136

Team Trump’s theme song for the mid-term elections.
With apologies to Vera Lynn:
Wish me luck as you wave me goodbye.
Cheerio, here I go on my way.
Wish me luck as you wave me goodbye,
With a cheer, not a tear, make it gay.
Give me a smile, I can keep all the while
In my heart while I’m away.
Till we meet once again you and I
Wish me luck as you wave me goodbye!

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 2 2025 18:08 utc | 137

Rather unlikely.
Sound money would be fair to everyone but no one above the rank of knuckle dragging grunt wants to play the game fair. They all want an advantage … fairness requires that all players honestly agree to never cheat.
Posted by: Tel | May 2 2025 11:53 utc | 41
Fortunately, I think you’re wrong about this Tel. There’s a reason that the empire, with its magic-money-printing-machine, stamps out any competition to fiat currency in the whole world (see Gaddafi): zero is a special number. Similar to the censorship regime, where all it takes is one media to stop censoring, all it takes is one convertible currency to be backed in a sound manner. If just one currency is, for example, on a gold standard, then all global currencies are de facto on a gold standard, unless they severely regulate/restrict currency flows – an expensive, an unsustainable proposition.
People like Sun of Alabama mock sound money proponents. But this current fiat system requires a global ruler to enforce fiat everywhere, and kill any potential competitors. It’s exactly the kind of behavior you’d predict if somebody had a magic-money-printing-machine, printing as much money as needed to protect their racket.

Posted by: HB Brian | May 2 2025 18:15 utc | 138

My best guess is that they have something on Trump and are somehow threatening both him and Vance with impeachment – if he steps outside certain bounds. That is a rumor that is about.
Posted by: jared | May 2 2025 17:13 utc | 123
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I used to assume the best of people, but old clips of Trump had emerged that demonstrate that he has always been an unrepentant Zionist.
When people show us who they are, we should believe them.
Trump murdered Soleimani in cold blood, and he starved thousands of Syrians in his first term.
He has done NOTHING substantial to demonstrate that he is anti-war. He has done NOTHING substantial to help working Americans.
He is great at dominating the headlines and manufacturing narratives to build up this image of the outsider surrounded by billionaires in his second term, as he ends free speech and collapses retirement investments.
Trump is not controlled by others. This is who he is.
Millions of voters were fooled, just as they were fooled by Obama.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 18:21 utc | 139

Posted by: Klaus | May 2 2025 16:25 utc | 109 The mistake is not remembering the letters, it’s typing them. Reversing the order of letters and words is a very common error. It’s the classic example of a mistake, where you actually know what’s correct but you hit the wrong keys anyhow. Those of us who never reverse letters and words are very fortunate. Not sure it is justified for them to conclude otehr people are stupid. (I do know how to spell the word other, but it still came out that way.)

Posted by: steven t johnson | May 2 2025 18:25 utc | 140

I get that you people hate Trump/MAGA. But rather than simply vent your emotional anguish or resort to empty, fact free contrarianism, why not examine some real world data?
This site did well refuting the Ukraine BS emitting from the MSM by looking at actual available information to present a coherent picture of the truth.
So why the instinctive impulse to adorn oneself with the Bellingcat mantle of fake news on a different subject? What happened; what changed? Just because USA = bad?
Here’s a few basic bullet points that have come out over the last 24-48 hours: jobs report blows past all expectations, containers and ships piling up on west coast ports, reported CCP disappearances along with factory closures and layoff.
Inflation way down, gas prices reported below $2, and of course $trillions in announced domestic investments.
A smart person would conclude the US is going to win this fight. The same type of person who understood 3 years ago that Russia was going to win.
It’s actually not very hard – all it takes is an understanding of history & culture, and an objective analysis of core strengths and weaknesses.
Everyone knows not to engage in a land war against Russia. Why, because they’ll fight to the last person to defend their homeland. Its their tradition, their legacy.
OK, what do I keep saying about the essential core US characteristic? We are by far and away the most competitive nation on earth. Only a fool would bet against an invigorated American population.
And pleae dont project this as merely white. It doesnt matter who you are, the people who moved here were all odd balls in their home countries, the ambitious, the driven, finally finding a place where most are just like them.
Trump is the exact reflection of most younger ambitious citizens. Don’t just dismiss, think about what it means.

Posted by: Markw | May 2 2025 18:35 utc | 141

Thanks b et al
So, as noted 90% of Iran oil goes to China
OTOH , 1.5 m bpd is only about 10% of chinas demand… say about one vessel per day and about 20 in transit on any given day… I would think chinas navy would be able to roughly protect this route/cargo?? If US really wants to FAFO and go full pirate mode , I imagine this scenario has been pretty well gamed out within China-Iran strategic partnership? One point being that waaaaaaay more seaborne crude is moving in the region (than relatively small Iran)
PS quite a few instances of tanker seizures through the years in that region but never really escalated… til now??

Posted by: E | May 2 2025 18:39 utc | 142

Posted by: HB Brian | May 2 2025 18:15 utc | 138 Economic history mocks gold bugs. The use of the gold standard does not bring economic stability. Gold money creates its own panics and depressions. Dearth of gold has caused slow growth, stagnation or worse. State policy designed to attract gold into a country—usually called mercantilism—led to wars and empires. (If you’re American, read about the Navigation Acts, as one cause of the American Revolution.) And gold simply did not prevent insane speculation either, as witness tulipmania, the South Seas bubble or the Mississippi bubble. The incompetence of gold bugs is astounding. It’s like Adam Smith never lived for those people. The true wealth of nations if the advanced division of labor, which leads to greater production. And this is more true when some of a society’s labor is devoted to creating physical capital that promotes the productivity of labor. Indeed, the part of society’s labor devoted to increasing the skills of living labor also increase production. Increasing production is overall good because it gives a society more power to achieve its goals. (The question of who decides what goals makes a huge difference…but that brings up the issue of property, especially in the means of production. Gold bugs want to cover this up by pretending so-called sound money is the cure, defying the facts of history.)

Posted by: steven t johnson | May 2 2025 18:41 utc | 143

Posted by: Markw | May 2 2025 18:35 utc | 141
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How is the US competitive when Yemen is kicking your asses?
Yemen is one of the poorest countries in the world, and America can’t compete with it. LOL
China is kicking the US’ ass when it comes to education, living standards, and innovation.
In 10 years, America will cease to matter internationally.
More MAGA, please!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 18:41 utc | 144

Reading the comments here, a common theme seems to be that Mr T is engaged in his MAGA or “America First” agenda, and it seems to be detrimental to others – but likely also the USA if things play out rationally in the real world. However this is classic Trump ie the disrupter. He doesn’t like his hand in the poker game so he has kicked the table over and drawn his gun. Rational thinking?? Nope, and don’t expect it.
This may or may not mean that he will get the deal he wants. But it makes it much less likely that anyone will want to play poker with him again. Ever. There are other casinos and other tables.
And let’s be honest, these actions affect the world, but they are designed (right word??) for domestic consumption and political advantage. USA centric foreign policy. Well what could go wrong??
But for sure, deliberately cutting the USA out of the interconnected world trade system is a sure fire winning strategy. All these bully boy tactics are sure to endear the ROW to the USA, and they will surely forget all the BS when Hunter is elected as Biden II. Or god forbid, Newsome or one of that horrible ilk. Really, the West is in a bit of a mess.
And I am so glad Harris proved unelectable, but is really an overage property speculator the best the GOP can do. Alas, probably yes. His whole adminstration looks out of its depth, but then so did its predecessor, and then some.
As one who lives in the EU I would like to be able to claim bragging rights here, but alas that is not possible. Sadly this side of the pond is just as bad, but the EU apparatchiks don’t (yet) have the power to bend the world to their will. Though self-delusion appears to be the new craze.
Rant over.

Posted by: marcjf | May 2 2025 18:42 utc | 145

Posted by: HB Brian | May 2 2025 18:15 utc | 138
Possibly it wouldn’t even take one currency to be ‘backed’ by gold; just one of the major exporting nations (pick any one from a selection of China, Russia, India, Indonesia etc) to announce that the US$ is no longer directly convertible, gold will be used as the intermediating denominator for trade transactions.
The implications are profound.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 2 2025 18:43 utc | 146

You write in this topic called Trump Tops Tariffs On China With Sanctions the following:

I have no doubt that China, despite the threat of secondary sanctions, will continue to buy oil from Iran.

… and …

As China is unlikely to give in the secondary sanctions related to Iran will make these exemptions irrelevant.

… and …

The fun part of this will come when Trump will have to retreat from it as soon as the results of his bluster threaten to hurt the U.S. economy.


I say you are wrong with your assessment b, or whoever took over running this website.

Whatever changed with the Moon of Alabama website after b –the pseudonym of him who apparently runs this website– chose or was led to undergo surgery in 2024 –due to some health issue– it appeared to me that the influence of the adversary –by this I mean the enemy of God and not some political foe– took over the decision-making process for this website; be it either by replacing b, or be it by influencing b to perceive as this adversary wants people to perceive.

The propaganda-machine has gone into high gear after the blow from the Armenian Article to the beast-system. They zealously try to take over whatever news outlet they can through cunning and subversive methods; to control the flow of information.
But you can perceive such hidden changes only in Spirit, not by analyzing the daily data of the news media under the control of the very same propaganda-machine.

I do not try to convince anyone here, I do not try to offend anyone here, and I surely do not post this comment to promote a link to my domain, which apparently causes consternation for some participants on this pubic forum; people make and are responsible for their own decisions. I am not trying to promote myself with this.
I just was moved to place this comment here today.
Sincerely,
George (Gevorg)
prophet.am

Posted by: George | May 2 2025 18:46 utc | 147


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Trump is not controlled by others. This is who he is.
Millions of voters were fooled, just as they were fooled by Obama.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 18:21 utc | 139
Exactly.
My only expectation (after having read his reaction on his dead brother, his first term, Soleimani, the failed assassination and that Iran should be “obliterated” in case it does succeed which is just an enticement to his Zionazi sponsors) about Trump was his acceleration of Making America Go Away. So far he’s doing a great job I think. Way better than the handlers of the walking corpse that preceded him.

Posted by: xor | May 2 2025 18:55 utc | 148

Funny that, China is also doing tariff carve-outs on their own US imports – mostly things related to chip-manufacturing as well as medical products.
I’ve seen this before:
1. Posturing, temper tantrums and big demands.
2. Things start to fall off the table, on both sides.
3. Each side makes a case for untouchable items/demands.
4. The fine details of the remaining items are hammered out and agreed upon.
We’re at step two, right now. There will almost certainly be a trade deal and not a protracted trade war. Whenever the final deal lands, I’m sure B and co. will call it a win for China, just as others will call it a win for America.

Posted by: Monos | May 2 2025 18:57 utc | 149

Holy shit qanon types die hard eh. If there’s one thing consistent about American argumentation it’s that everything is always someone else’s fault. What is with Americans and their savior complex?
Yes, God directed you to post pseudoreligious insanity with random formatting in support of your chosen religious leader, excuse me I mean daddy, sorry I mean President.
You dipshits made your bed and now you get to lie in it. Dissemble fast or slow, reality doesn’t care about your delusions.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 2 2025 18:57 utc | 150

I remind the bar that all sanctions not approved by the UNSC are illegal and no nation needs to obey them.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 2 2025 16:23 utc | 107

To quote Bush 1: “The illegal we can do right away, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Bush 2 at the time of the Iraq war was threatening to withdraw their United Nations funding. Subsequently, criticism of that illegal invasion by the UN was extremely muted.
Currently the underlying basis of “International Law” and the “Rules Based Order” is, “what is anyone going to do about it?”

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | May 2 2025 18:57 utc | 151

I do not try to convince anyone here, I do not try to offend anyone here, and I surely do not post this comment to promote a link to my domain, which apparently causes consternation for some participants on this pubic forum; people make and are responsible for their own decisions. I am not trying to promote myself with this.
I just was moved to place this comment here today.
Posted by: George | May 2 2025 18:46 utc | 147
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And to do some shameless marketing for your website at the expense of MoA.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 18:58 utc | 152

We’re at step two, right now. There will almost certainly be a trade deal and not a protracted trade war. Whenever the final deal lands, I’m sure B and co. will call it a win for China, just as others will call it a win for America.
Posted by: Monos | May 2 2025 18:57 utc | 149
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What sort of deal is possible with America, whose transparent aims are the destruction of Russia, China, and Iran?
And the US welches on every agreement that it makes. You cannot name one international agreement in the last 10 years that the US has kept.
Everyone knows that Trump is mercurial, and his power is weakening. One doesn’t make grand deals with inferiors.
The only reason why people wouldn’t know what is happening is if they confine themselves to Western propaganda.
And China is already winning. In 2 months, when inventories are exhausted and store shelves empty out, Trump will find some new distraction or narrative, and many fools will believe it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 19:02 utc | 153

At some point the rest of the world which is of a necessity engaged in trade will call the American bluff that it is the most powerful nation in the world, and that these dizzying volleys of sanctions are enforceable; in fact, the entire WTO may collapse, because there is no way a single nation abusing its powers in this manner is legal under its rules. At that point, other powerful nations will simply disobey openly. I could see the USA using its Navy to attempt interdiction of fuel carriers, but I could also see those carriers being escorted by national warships, so that an American military intervention would be a recipe for rapid escalation when America is very poorly positioned to respond.
But it’s more likely that the threat of not being able to do business with the American economy will be weighed realistically against its alternatives, which would be the establishment of new global trading networks which do not include the USA – be careful what you wish for. The situation would obviously not be as profitable as the pre-Trump era, but would it be survivable until the USA collapsed? I think it would.

Posted by: Mark | May 2 2025 19:04 utc | 154

Karlof1
Saw your comment after I posted …
Convoying tankers would make the 1.5m bpd flow even easier to defend…

Posted by: E | May 2 2025 19:06 utc | 155

Posted by: George | May 2 2025 18:46 utc | 147
Don’t tell me, let me guess…
You’re a phrenologist, right?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 2 2025 19:14 utc | 156

The position of the powers that be in the West must be really dire for them to feel compelled to support an obvious genocide that destroys their soft power.

Posted by: Lysias | May 2 2025 19:15 utc | 157

These are the thrashing of a crashing US empire. No empire goes down without trying to take others with it. Things are not looking good, for any nation.

Posted by: azeclecticdog | May 2 2025 19:21 utc | 158

Posting this link because:
a) I haven’t posted it for a while
and
b) it aggravates @SunOfAlabama
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Doesn’t seem to be slowing down since the last time I looked…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 2 2025 19:30 utc | 159

If the US market results today are any indication, Hand, The Invisible is still in control.
Which pictures of the global economies are under Hollywood production?
As long as folks have FAITH in fiat private finance, the shit show humanity is living will continue…..it can’t end soon enough for me.
I continue to see Trump crashing the global economies on purpose and then offering the private finance way ahead.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 2 2025 19:37 utc | 160

@Norwegian | May 2 2025 10:56 utc | 28
Would you care to expand some more about the potential reckoning whereof you speak?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | May 2 2025 19:42 utc | 161

To quote Bush 1: “The illegal we can do right away, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
That was good old Henry K.

Posted by: I forgot | May 2 2025 19:48 utc | 162

Imoral capatilism needs to crash.
Consumerism needs to crash.
And definatly definatly planned obsalesince.
The three horses of the apocalipse in my view.
Its insane and not sustainable.
Trumps well on the way.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2025 19:51 utc | 163

So, if everything goes well, maybe in 40 years Americans will be able to mass produce something technological.
That presumes that the ROW will stand still and stop competing for resources.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 14:26 utc | 69

The large export of western jobs, notably the USA, sped up greatly in 2000 when China was about to join the World Trade Organization. You can see the big jump in China by looking at a graph of all kinds of stuff, including their CO2 output:
https://static.politifact.com/politifact/photos/PerCapitaCO2emissions.jpg
China was starting from a dirt poor non-industrial country that could barely feed their people. The USA shouldn’t take 40 years to build factories they mostly had 25 to 40 years ago. The problem is that
a) the globalists would fight tooth and nail
b) the wages in the USA would require tariffs to protect the USA factories from cheaper foreign competition and the globalists would fight those tooth and nail
c) the blue collar people who would benefit from manufacturing jobs have no – zero – political power, not even with the Democratic party. America doesn’t even want to protect those people from ILLEGAL workers.

Posted by: Cheney | May 2 2025 19:53 utc | 164

China is in BIG trouble.
I get it, this is a Marxist/Maoist site. But America is going to WIN this tariff War with China.
Bet on it. Watch.

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | May 2 2025 19:57 utc | 165

I continue to see Trump crashing the global economies on purpose and then offering the private finance way ahead.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 2 2025 19:37 utc | 160
Usually I don’t disagree with your posts, but in this case I think that Trump trying to take down the global economies will seriously backfire, as the real natural resource wealth and manufacturing strength is no longer entirely under US control.
If the US says that you can no longer sell to us or buy from us, well then Russia and China (for starters) can say “Fine, you’re 350 million people, there’s 7¾ billion people in the rest of the world, you are no longer as important as you thought you were, cheerio, oh and by the way, we don’t want your dollar anymore”.
Sometimes the sheer weight of numbers can outweigh the smoke-and-mirrors affluence of a self-proclaimed “exceptional” minority.
Oh, and by the way, that global enforcement of the US$ via a Carrier Battle Group in every ocean is now subject to hypersonic interdiction.
“Go ahead punk, make my day”, crash the global economies, but be prepared for Dirty Harry to have an extra bullet in his chamber…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 2 2025 19:58 utc | 166

Posted by: I forgot | May 2 2025 19:48 utc | 162
Thank you for that!
“…the unconstitutional takes a little longer.

Posted by: lex talionis | May 2 2025 19:59 utc | 167

@ Stephane | May 2 2025 17:24 utc | 125
fully concur with your comment here.. thanks for saying that.. norwegian has been a stand up poster for all the time i have been here and is to be admired and appreciated.. ditto your comment..
@ George | May 2 2025 18:46 utc | 147
and you are off your rocker which i am sure others have noted as well..

Posted by: james | May 2 2025 20:01 utc | 168

What america desperatly needs is a strong ‘Left’ protests, srikes, and such like.
Its all about balence you see, thats democracy. Checks and balence you have not got. Ther is no resraint.
Its all ‘right’ ‘right’ ‘right’ clean over the cliff.
Its starkly obveous, the dog that isnt barking…
It got put down.
The Left.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 2 2025 20:02 utc | 169

Every move Trump makes is a tactical threat based on his team’s perception that the opponent is too weak to resist or overcome the threats. All Empire Hubris and attempted tyranny towards most of the world at this point. Insane. The opponents are far more resilient and powerful than Trump thinks because they have resources and produce real things that all countries need. Not to mention the military means to defend themselves by force. Trump is failing in Ukraine, Iran and Russia. Anything but a peace resident. Closer to piece a s..t president.

Posted by: JustTruth | May 2 2025 20:06 utc | 170

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 2 2025 19:58 utc | 166
it’s an interesting conundrum and i don’t know how this works out… there are the numbers – population wise and then the numbers – money wise – city of london, wall st and etc… we’ll see how this works out, but either way it looks like a catastrophe is headed our way, whether by design or accident – i don’t know.. and i don’t think trump is smart enough to think about all this either with fools like elon musk as advisors..

Posted by: james | May 2 2025 20:08 utc | 171

. The USA shouldn’t take 40 years to build factories they mostly had 25 to 40 years ago
Posted by: Cheney | May 2 2025 19:53 utc | 164
The US will never rebuild those factories. The hurdles of EPA, zoning, permits, public hearings, engineering, bids, greenies, etc. will take a decade or more. Then there is the finance. Who would dump tons of money into factories to produce items at 5X the average world trading price?
But assuming the factories did get built, who would work in them? Not your average American as it is below them, so automation. Great. But that means no worker wages to spend on the ridiculously overpriced items the factories will produce. The products won’t be competitive with world prices, so no exports, even without tariffs. Factories making crap nobody will be able to buy.

Posted by: saner | May 2 2025 20:09 utc | 172

OK, what do I keep saying about the essential core US characteristic? We are by far and away the most competitive nation on earth. Only a fool would bet against an invigorated American population.
Posted by: Markw | May 2 2025 18:35 utc | 141

Good luck with that:

Among the military-aged U.S. population, slightly under half were eligible to enter the military on the basis of their BMI, and only 1 in 3 met BMI eligibility and were adequately physically active.

The article quoted above highlights some of the toll that capitalism has had on the health and wellbeing of the population of the US. Needless to say the inability of a population to thrive under this system is manifested in multiple dimensions, not just the physical dimension discussed in the article.
Capitalism has been so successful in the US over the last century and a half that it is now visibly destroying the material that it previously used and exploited to reproduce itself in that location. Therefore, while US capital is still capable of lashing out at its rivals and competitors, it is doubtful that, having reached its current advanced stage of self-cannibalisation, it will be able to return to its youthful salad days of, say, 1865-1965.

Posted by: Lengai | May 2 2025 20:09 utc | 173

Russia is infected with the western virus totally.
They are infected.I met too many of them in 2000s to be disgusted about their behavior.Primitives
The only hope is the China and Africa for our world, and sorry, the weak pillar is the Russia.
Actually in the real world, which is more than the 90%, there is no more belief in Russia, very bad betrayal in Syria and well, Think they are pinning to be excepted, stupid.
We do not forgive.
And b.please read of the available sources.
Big part of the world thinks that Russia has betrayed and have spoken in betrayal.

Posted by: stranger | May 2 2025 20:11 utc | 174

Posted by: Cheney | May 2 2025 19:53 utc | 164
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There are numerous impediments.
America has more oligarchs than it has patriots, and the composition of the government reflects that. The Congress is becoming increasingly oligarchic.
Without education, nothing will change.
Trump is doing nothing to reform American education. Which makes sense, as the benefits might not arrive until he is dead. Trump isn’t worried about his legacy, only his present.
Without someone who can see the big picture, America will not progress.
The US can’t even do a 5-year plan, let alone a 40-year one.
The more patient and focused party usually wins. That is China.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 20:11 utc | 175

The only reason why people wouldn’t know what is happening is if they confine themselves to Western propaganda.
And China is already winning. In 2 months, when inventories are exhausted and store shelves empty out, Trump will find some new distraction or narrative, and many fools will believe it.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 19:02 utc | 153
Ok, so, watching the local western news now. The big story? China may be willing to talk about trade issues with the US! Imperialism reduced to a preteen girl desperately waiting for a call.
Again, the game is up. It’s not if but when and how US imperialism implodes. Every headline communicates just how profound the desperation is among the ruling class. Anyone that cannot see this is truly a victim of propaganda.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 2 2025 20:15 utc | 176

I have come to the conclusion that Trump and his merry men are as mad as the Biden idiots. Sorry to say.
I am also fearing for the Germans, AfD being declared an extremist party is obviously madness too.
The world in general is going to pot. I wish we could just be left alone.
Take you meds if you wish, pay your taxes too, but if you don’t want to, DON’T!

Posted by: g wiltek | May 2 2025 20:32 utc | 177

@james | May 2 2025 20:08 utc | 171
Yes, though a dark side of me wonders if Trump actually knows what a conundrum is, or whether he thinks it is some kind of Scottish musical percussion instrument…
Yeah, the massed pipes and conundrums of the Third Brigade Haggis And Neeps Regiment is really beautiful, bigly beautiful, so beautiful…
Hey, where’s my covfefe?…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 2 2025 20:47 utc | 178

@petergrfstrm | May 2 2025 19:42 utc | 161

Would you care to expand some more about the potential reckoning whereof you speak?

Quislings of the present (like Stoltenberg) must expect to answer to a court of law when the rule of law returns, just like quislings of the past. To get there we first need to get rid of current occupants, like we got rid of occupants in the past.
Maybe you expected to hear something more ‘exciting’. I express the principle that criminals in power shall expect be held to account, there is historical precedence that it will happen.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 2 2025 20:51 utc | 179

@Stephane | May 2 2025 17:24 utc | 125
@james | May 2 2025 20:01 utc | 168
Sincere thanks to both of you for these comments. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 2 2025 20:54 utc | 180

@Posted by: Cheney | May 2 2025 19:53 utc | 164
China in 1979 had a very well educated population with a high general level of health and life expectancy, as well as industrialized agriculture and a core of heavy industry. Along with a highly educated Party-state that was focused on what was good for the nation. The bourgeois, rentier forces had been utterly destroyed. It was on this base, built by Mao, that Deng was able to build from. China had already advanced far ahead of India when it came to real measures of development. Even then, the first decade or so came close to the collapse of the state and the kind of chaos that the Soviet Union experienced. Only a rejection of the missives of the foreign financiers and Eastern European emigres in favour of an economic consolidation, and political closure, from the late 1980s to the early 1990s kept things on track.
Let’s remember that between 1949 and 1979, China had to rebuild from the utter devastation of decades of civil war and Japanese invasion. It also had to redirect resources to fight Western aggression in North Korea and in Vietnam and was subject to an extremely comprehensive economic embargo until into the 1970s.
The US is ruled by a highly financialized extractive and ill-adapted oligarchy that owns the state and does not really give a shit about what is good for the nation. At the same time, the health and education of the population has utterly gone to shit. And there is no “US” happy to give up its manufacturing base to allow the US to recover its manufacturing. There is also so much social, economic and political inertia evident from interested parties. I would say that the US is in a much worse position than China was in 1979. The US is also now a net importer of food.
I would say that the US would first of all require the Mao period of destroying the bourgeois oligarchy and all its remnants before it could start to rebuild a successful society that serves the people instead of the few.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | May 2 2025 21:01 utc | 181

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 2 2025 20:47 utc | 179
lol! very good on all accounts!

Posted by: james | May 2 2025 21:02 utc | 182

Posted by: vargas | May 2 2025 20:58 utc | 182
Posted by: vargas | May 2 2025 21:01 utc | 183
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Obvious baiting is obvious.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 21:06 utc | 183

from dement to madness.

Posted by: lmaa | May 2 2025 21:09 utc | 184

osted by: Norwegian | May 2 2025 10:56 utc | 28
The aircraft flew over Swedish airspace with the permission of the Swedish government. The KM did not only get blown out by Norwegian guns. HMS Warspite led a squadron of Tribals on a massacre of KM destroyers as well. Did not help as they had to run away because the fucking Luftwaffe ruled the sky’s thanks to Sweden’s love for their largest trading partner.

Posted by: Badjoke | May 2 2025 21:15 utc | 185

Ok, so, watching the local western news now. The big story? China may be willing to talk about trade issues with the US! Imperialism reduced to a preteen girl desperately waiting for a call.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 2 2025 20:15 utc | 176
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I don’t blame people who are ill-informed or misinformed.
We can only rationally act on what we know. If what we know is incorrect, we will act on that, which is why the infowar is so important to TPTB.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 21:17 utc | 186

Will the US really try to stop shipping of oil from Iran to China?…….How?
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 2 2025 16:11 utc | 101
Not in any way shape or form. Trump said so himself in the truth post above. 🙂

Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 2 2025 21:31 utc | 187

I don’t blame people who are ill-informed or misinformed.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 2 2025 21:17 utc | 189
There is a difference between ill-informed/misinformed and willful ignorance. Most I know are not misinformed, they are intentionally avoiding being accurately informed.
They have a highly developed subconscious sense of threat to their held beliefs. If it is triggered, they immediately stop listening and start hysterically spouting their dogma. They will not hear the truth if it is any way counter to their beliefs.
AKA, self deluded morons.

Posted by: saner | May 2 2025 21:34 utc | 188

Posted by: Markw | May 2 2025 18:35 utc | 141
Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | May 2 2025 19:57 utc | 165
Bigly, bigly. Everybody needs a dream.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | May 2 2025 21:36 utc | 189

I’ve said it repeatedly: The US cannot reindustrialize while the US$ remains the global reserve currency, at least not while remaining capitalist. If you want to “Make America Great Again” as a capitalist power, then the US$ GRC must go first. The incentives to invest just do not work out otherwise.
What do you, dear readers, imagine that looks like in practical day-to-day terms?

Posted by: William Gruff | May 2 2025 21:37 utc | 190

@ William Gruff | May 2 2025 21:37 utc | 193
good question william… i just got a book out of the library today called ‘how will capitalism end?’ by wolfgang streeck… if i can any concrete answers to relate to your question, i will let you know.. he seems to suggest capitalism and democracy don’t work together very well..

Posted by: james | May 2 2025 21:44 utc | 191

Clarification is in order: The US$ GRC must go before America can be an industrial capitalist power again.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 2 2025 21:45 utc | 192

james @194: “…capitalism and democracy don’t work together very well..”
True, “The Democracy Show” is cheaper than the alternatives, but starts getting risky when too many plebes take a walk outside “Plato’s Cave”.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 2 2025 21:51 utc | 193

Basically by secondary sanctions on Iranian oil US is trying to solidify its control on oil flow. One would ask regardless of Iran why China or any other major developing power would allow or participate in control of the flow of oil to a world hegemony that openly is trying to curb China’s development and trying to contain China’s economy, if China’s leadership ever agrees to and implement American regime’s secondary sanctions on energy, than as Iranian’s say those leaders “ Must Have eaten donkey’s brain. Is good for the world that American power is being truly contained by other major powers , reality is hitting slowly but surely.

Posted by: Kooshy | May 2 2025 21:54 utc | 194

Posted by: james | May 2 2025 21:44 utc | 194
They are mutually exclusive systems. That you can get people to believe in the concept of ‘liberal democracy’ proves the power of propaganda.

Posted by: Badjoke | May 2 2025 21:58 utc | 195

Scottindallas | May 2 2025 13:13 utc | 52
Although Mary is fond of blaming China for everything this is nothing to do with them.
I’m old and thought my memory was slipping but does no one remember that there was a fuss about fertilizer shortages after the big round of sanctions against Russia?
Natural gas is a key component in producing nitrogen-based fertilizers. When Russian gas was halted by sanction farmers in europe began pointing out the problem. They were ignored. Russia is a major exporter of natural gas, and sanctions due to the war have affected gas availability, which in turn impacts fertilizer production.
Russia and Belarus are big exporters of potash, another key fertilizer component. Their exports are restricted because of sanctions or logistics issues from the war.

Posted by: Debsisdead | May 2 2025 22:05 utc | 196

These sanctions are toothless, but that won’t stop the freaks in the Treasury Dept. from trying.
My guess is that the plan is using ISR they will track tankers, find the owners, and then slap secondary sanctions on shipping companies or individuals associated with them.
China is the biggest shipbuilder in the world. They can simply provide the ships, nationalize the companies or make them state-owned, and transport oil in open defiance of the US.
There is literally nothing the US can do short of trying to blockade Chinese or Iranian ports, or board every single ship which is not realistic even for the US Navy. Both are acts of war.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | May 2 2025 22:08 utc | 197

James and gruff… yep, democracy has been a show for years… however, some have been “voting” for satoshi for years and I think most of these people would say they are satisfied with their “vote”

Posted by: E | May 2 2025 22:18 utc | 198

Some how Ian reminded of Ming and Qing dynasty China banning foreig commerce. In the 14th century,when the policy began, Chinese technology, military and other led the world. By the time of the Opium
Wars, mid-19th century, China was war far behind.

Posted by: lester | May 2 2025 22:24 utc | 199

What do you, dear readers, imagine that looks like in practical day-to-day terms?
Posted by: William Gruff | May 2 2025 21:37 utc | 193

A good place to start would be a history of the British Empire, and the Pound Sterling, from 1902-1945 = the end of the Second Boer War and the end of WWII.

Posted by: ChatNPC | May 2 2025 22:30 utc | 200