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May 10, 2025
Trump Claims Victory In Achieving Peace Between India And Pakistan

Despite plenty of attempts to do better, the Trump administration had so far failed to achieve any foreign policy victory.

The ceasefire in Gaza which Trump imposed in January was soon sabotaged by the radicals in Netanyahoo's cabinet. The negotiations about peace in Ukraine are stuck around a yet be agreed upon ceasefire which does not solve the root problem. The war on Yemen, on Israel's behalf, was lost militarily. Iran, despite threats, has not moved on inch from its insistence on nuclear sovereignty. The tariff rage waged against China and everyone else is threatening to derail the U.S. economy.

All this makes today's win a special moment.

President Trump announced:

After a long night of talks mediated by the United States, I am pleased to announce that India and Pakistan have agreed to a FULL AND IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE. Congratulations to both countries on using Common Sense and Great Intelligence. Thank you for your attention to this matter! …

Details followed immediately:

Secretary Marco Rubio @SecRubio – 12:07 UTC · May 10, 2025

Over the past 48 hours, @VP Vance and I have engaged with senior Indian and Pakistani officials, including Prime Ministers Narendra Modi and Shehbaz Sharif, External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, Chief of Army Staff Asim Munir, and National Security Advisors Ajit Doval and Asim Malik.

I am pleased to announce the Governments of India and Pakistan have agreed to an immediate ceasefire and to start talks on a broad set of issues at a neutral site.

We commend Prime Ministers Modi and Sharif on their wisdom, prudence, and statesmanship in choosing the path of peace.

Trump and his cabinet have thus achieved a notable and laudable victory. U.S. mediation has helped to deescalated a crises in South Asia that had threatened to turn into a full fledged (nuclear) war.

On Tuesday, April 22 2025, 26 people were killed when gunman opened fire on tourists in the Indian-occupied Kashmir:

A group of tourists were visiting a popular area — a meadow in mountainous Kashmir’s Baisaran Valley, known as “mini-Switzerland,” outside the town of Pahalgam — when militants emerged from a nearby forest and opened fire. Police said 25 Indians and one Nepalese citizen were killed. Since the group was in an area only accessible by foot or horseback, getting the injured to the nearest hospital was difficult, one witness told The Washington Post.

Indian media outlets attributed the attack to the Resistance Front (TRF), a militant group banned by New Delhi in 2023 as a terrorist organization, but there was no verifiable claim of responsibility.

Indian claims that the TRF has support from Pakistan. In consequence it announced sharp retaliatory measures, targeting trade and the critical Simla water agreement. It ordered to cut the Indus water lifeline into Pakistan.

Craig Murray explains why this was and is an existential threat to that country:

India’s Hindutva president, Narendra Modi, has used the Kashmir terrorism incident to abrogate the 1960s Indus Waters Treaty — a longstanding goal of Modi. The Indian version of the “terrorist attack,” most of whose victims were Muslim, has largely been accepted by Western governments without evidence.

False flags abound nowadays.

It is however certain that tearing up the Indus Waters Treaty is a long term Modi goal. The Indus River supplies 80 percent of Pakistan’s agricultural water and the supply is already insufficient, with disastrous salination of the lower reaches of the river as the sea creeps into the areas once occupied by the mighty flow. I visited the area of lower Sindh five years ago and witnessed the fields encrusted with white salt.

In early May India made a diplomatic push to justify military action against Pakistan. It however failed to provide any evidence that the terror attack had any relation with it. Indian colonial behavior in Kashmir has created a lot of bad blood with the locals and there are plenty of disgruntled folks who are willing to take justice into their own hands.

On May 7 India launched a 'special military operation' against Pakistan by striking "terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied Jammu and Kashmir".

The Indian air force indeed managed to hit a few targets. It however turned out that it also lost five fighter jet.

Pakistan's air force had used an airborne early warning and control airplane (AWACS) with a long ranging radar to direct beyond-visual-range air-to air missiles fired by its J-10 fighter jets to their targets. Such a highly integrated attack came as a surprise. Three Indian owned, French build Rafale jets and two Russian build MIG and Sukhoi fighters were lost to Chinese made PL-15 missiles.

In a detailed briefing the Pakistani air force explained how this was achieved.

The thus humiliated Indian military decided to escalate. Yesterday it lobbed a few missile towards some Pakistani military installations. Pakistan responded in kind. The results are unclear. Claims about damages from both sides are notoriously unreliable.

The war was threatening to escalate further. However both sides are short of ammunition needed for a large scale ground combat. Both sides have nuclear weapons. An Indian attack on the much weaker Pakistani military would soon be countered by tactical nuclear strikes.

In light of this both militaries emphasized that they were ready to stop firing if the other side would also do so.

Political rhetoric however was getting out of hand:

The way things are developing, the political elites who have climbed the high horse will have a problem to dismount when de-escalation becomes an imperative need. They are setting a trap for themselves.

The Economist headlined correctly:

Luck stands between de-escalation and disaster for India and Pakistan – Sooner or later, the luck will run out (archived)

Meanwhile the U.S. seemed to have washed its hands on the issue.

Just yesterday U.S. Vice-President JD Vance claimed that a war between India and Pakistan will be 'none of our business':

"We want this thing to de-escalate as quickly as possible. We can't control these countries, though," Vance said in an interview on Fox News show "The Story with Martha MacCallum."

"What we can do is try to encourage these folks to de-escalate a little bit, but we're not going to get involved in the middle of war that's fundamentally none of our business and has nothing to do with America's ability to control it," he added.

The U.S. has good, if at times strained, relation with India and Pakistan. The militaries of both countries were ready to deescalate. The problem was to convince the politicians of each side that it was possible to disengage without losing face.

It now seems that the Trump administration has managed to do so.

The Times of India confirms the ceasefire but does not mention any U.S. mediation. The Pakistani side confirms that the U.S., the British Foreign Ministry and the Turkish government were all involved.

Achieving peace is a victory. A victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.

Trump, Vance and Rubio may well claim this victory for themselves even as many others were involved in it.

But to achieve other foreign policy victories, real ones, will require more than a few phone calls.

Comments

Sikhs had proved to be their most trustworthy allies…
If they’d paid even a modicum of notice of how Perfidious Albion “rewards” loyalty…. They’d have anticipated how that was going to work out for them.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 10 2025 23:08 utc | 101

Putin made an important statement and no one knows what he exactly said as the translation was inaudible and the official Russian news agency TASS doesn’t have a single word about Putin’s statement yet. That is a major professional failure.
My understanding is that Putin rejected the ultimatum called ceasefire proposal and is instead proposing direct talks with Kiev without preconditions.
More war, more sanctions.

Posted by: JB | May 10 2025 23:10 utc | 102

Watch for the SMO to upgrade to an anti-terrorist op in order to make the leaders of the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev military targets.
Oreshniks on tap.
DJT’s rhetoric is different from that of Collective Biden’s–livelier and more empathic-seeming, at least on the surface—but in essence his actions are tracking w/ those of the prior admin.
It has never been the case that a belligerent who is losing can dictate terms of how a war can be settled. Russia holds all the aces.
Ukraine has not been a country for a long time, just a U.S. military base.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 10 2025 23:18 utc | 103

JB | May 10 2025 23:10 utc | 102
I saw that BBC snake was in the room.
He’ll have a spin for us…

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 10 2025 23:44 utc | 104

Thank you to the Host of this website. To 90% of the commentary, I don’t wast much time here. Like other good websites, the commentary section is full of f_ck_ng idiots.
Dennis Gaudet. Respiratory Therapist and Registered Nurse and ECMO perfusionist (look it up) at Massachusetts General Hospital for 22 years, fired for refusing the ‘Clot Shot’.
Don’t bother commenting or trashing. I won’t respond.

Posted by: Dennis Gaudet RT MGH | May 10 2025 23:46 utc | 105

@ Norwegian | May 10 2025 22:16 utc | 93
thanks! listening now..

Posted by: james | May 10 2025 23:59 utc | 106

1 hour 7 minutes in, putin articulates how ukraine has violated the various ceasefires in detail.. see link norwegian provided earlier to follow this if interested..

Posted by: james | May 11 2025 0:04 utc | 107

Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 10 2025 23:18 utc | 103
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Putin is not going to use Oreshniks where there is a high density of civilians or civilian infrastructure.
He’s not trying to win by being the most brutal.
He doesn’t want the SMO to end with a failed state on Russia and Belarus’ borders.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 11 2025 0:04 utc | 108

⚡️ PUTIN OFFERS DIRECT PEACE TALKS WITH NO PRECONDITIONS TO KIEV REGIME ON 15 MAY IN ISTANBUL
Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2025 22:54 utc | 97

1) Bypassing the yankees!
2) Bypassing and squeezing the ukronazis!
3) More blablabla… We know that the ukronazis pushed and supported by the European neo-nazis are not agreement capable.

Posted by: Naive | May 11 2025 0:04 utc | 109

On the following link given before it begins at 59:00.
https://www.youtube.com/live/hpTFME68IuI

Posted by: Naive | May 11 2025 0:08 utc | 110

And lasts some 19 minutes.

Posted by: Naive | May 11 2025 0:09 utc | 111

The gall of JD (married to a hindutvaadi) to say “we’re not going to get involved in the middle of war that’s fundamentally none of our business.” So how is israel’s genocide and bombing Yemen any of DC’s business? Just ZOG of course.
Also this reeks of alse flag. Like Obomba’s unknown Khorasan group to bomb Syrian infrastructure after doctored videos filmed in the UK, RAW is now has TRF (english name) comes in to spur the fanatical fascist hindutvaadi regime’s treaty abrogation (they already violated the treaty that had Kashmir’s status in the constitution). Then their fanaticism feigns concern for Hindus in Bangladesh after their blatant nazi discrimination of non-Muslims in South Asia eligible for indian citizenship but not the specific one side.
Pakistan may be smaller and have less money, but they have more nukes.
Further, unlike the war mongering regional hegemon, Dawn actually called for an end to conflict. Every region in the world has their hegemon rightfully hated.

Posted by: Sal | May 11 2025 0:25 utc | 112

Deal already falling apart? So much for the “Three Week Rule.”
https://apnews.com/article/india-pakistan-missiles-air-bases-1de0ca13c13899f0bd3530b4808d45ad

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 11 2025 0:27 utc | 113

In other news:
Trump created the universe and all that is in it in 7 days!
Trump heals the sick and brings man back from death
Trump seen walking on water near Mar-a-Lago
Trump feeds hungry crowd of thousands of people by breaking up 7 cheeseburgers.
Trump returns sight to all patients at hospital for the blind
Trump divides the Red Sea to stop Houthi Missiles from harming God’s exceptional people
Trump inflicts plagues of locusts on Iranians
Etc Etc

Posted by: George | May 11 2025 0:41 utc | 114

In other news:
Elon Musk gives President Trump rechargeable magic wand!
Trump says China should be made part of US!

Posted by: George | May 11 2025 0:52 utc | 115

Middle East Spectator – MES
— 🇺🇸/🇮🇷 NEW: All six USAF B-2 ‘Spirit’ stealth bombers that were stationed at Diego Garcia Airbase in the Indian Ocean have left the island and returned to the United States
@Middle_East_Spectator

Posted by: Mary | May 11 2025 1:04 utc | 116

Trump says China should be made part of US!
Posted by: George | May 11 2025 0:52 utc | 115
LOL, Also for your previous post@114

Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 11 2025 1:26 utc | 117

Posted by: Barrel Brown | May 11 2025 1:26 utc | 117
Glad you got a laugh.
It is about the size of it in my view
Pope Flippus Floppus Shiticus the 1st
A miracle he was ever elected.

Posted by: George | May 11 2025 2:00 utc | 118

Never believe anything Demented Trump claims.

Posted by: lester | May 11 2025 2:03 utc | 119

As for Vance, he played that right by saying we “can’t control” other countries since trying to imply we would control this would have immediately made it harder to participate and would have annoyed both sides; it was safe thing to come off less brash. It’s not surprising that after it may be “over,” Trump might come in and try to brag even though several countries tried to turn down the temp. I am glad if there is a lull in this sudden conflict because I was seeing one commentator speculate that it was another situation where we were trying to create chaos in a region and get countries fighting, especially BRICS-adjacent nations — India is in BRICS and Pakistan has requested membership. Every time there is conflict somewhere we are a suspect in causing it the last couple of decades. I hope the two nations work on lasting better relations; it takes effort. The US certainly can’t point to itself as a model of diplomacy either.

Posted by: Mary P | May 11 2025 2:12 utc | 120

Posted by: Mary | May 11 2025 1:04 utc | 116
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Laith Marouf was saying that Yemen really savaged the Truman (losses of F-18s on the deck), which is why Trump hastily came up with a ceasefire and withdrawal before a carrier was lost for good.
Things are “fluid” in the region. Trump’s ambitions to go to war with Iran would be a fatal blow to Israel and America. Instead, he may settle for a cold war as Palestinians are slowly exterminated.
The next 10 days should be interesting.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 11 2025 2:24 utc | 121

Mental note to self: cynicism doesn’t answer the ‘what’s it all about’ questions
— but sure helps with the ‘what it’s not’ summary judgements
Indy-Paki, or is it Paki-Indy? What kind of food are they serving us?
— 26 people in a train hijack in Pakistan the month prior killed.
— On 4/22 (4+22=26) 26 people in Pahalgam said to be executed.
— Hot-war breaks out to coincide with Moscow parade ceasefire.
— Ceasefire timed for conclusion of above.
— Mainstream commentary mirrors the 10/7 attack by condemning terror.
— Generally a nice little distraction from the Middle East hornet nest
— Fills the airwaves with ‘nuclear-armed’ and ready to pop.

Posted by: Nothingburgers | May 11 2025 2:43 utc | 122

Posted by: lester | May 11 2025 2:03 utc | 119
I don’t. But India and Pakistan both lent him some credit in the brokering the ceasefire and in his own statement he claimed that 30 other heads of state helped. So in this instance there appears to be some level of truth on the matter. Skepticism and mistrust should be par for the course with him. But denying that what he said is backed up by the parties involved is just silly.

Posted by: Badjoke | May 11 2025 2:46 utc | 123

Saint Bernard the Deadeyed Seer:
Trump and his cabinet have thus achieved a notable and laudable victory. U.S. mediation has helped to deescalated a crises in South Asia that had threatened to turn into a full fledged (nuclear) war.
That statement is deeply misguided. Painting Trump and his cabinet as peacemakers in South Asia is not only an overreach — it’s historically inaccurate. U.S. involvement in global crises under Trump was marked by volatility, erratic diplomacy, and a transactional approach that undermined long-term peace efforts. Any temporary de-escalation in South Asia happened despite Trump’s unpredictability, not because of diplomatic brilliance. Let’s not rewrite history to make unreliable actors appear like steady hands in global conflict. Reliability in diplomacy is about consistent principles — not chaos repackaged as strategy.
What’s next? Falsely claiming with or without Trump that the USA are unbiased believable negotiators between the Ukraine EU NATO and the USA itself AND Russia? Don’t be so dumb to believe this lousy thinking by Bernard and others here. Instead wake up you’ve been had repeatedly with extreme disinformation and flawed analyses for years here.

Posted by: Roger | May 11 2025 2:50 utc | 124

OK. The American Establishment DO NOT want PEACE … it’s an illusion
They want to replace those Chinese fighter jets destroying those French jets and to replace those Israeli droned fighting those Turkish drones with American Stuff …
Indi.ca explains it well here …. MUST READ
Military Industrial Simple
The military industrial complex is actually very simple. The entire shtick, the entire shenanigans of the military-industrial simpletons is nice world, shame if something happened to it. The mafia business model, known to blue-collar criminals as a bust-out and to white-collar criminals as an LBO (leverage buyout).
The Mafia Model
The blue-collar criminal Henry Hill explained it well enough in Goodfellas,
[…] A white-collar bust-out describes the military industrial complex from the imperial perspective. It’s the art of the steal, looting the imperial treasury by losing imperial wars. They don’t want the Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Ukrainian governments to succeed, they just want them to bleed (money) then move onto the next hypocrisy. It’s ultimately the good faith and credit of the US Republic that’s being busted out, used to fund a war machine that doesn’t work except for laundering money back into the Beltway Mafia.
If you didn’t watch the videos, I’ll repeat. A bust-out works where the mafia takes control of your restaurant (say), runs up bills on the joints credit, steals or sells goods out the back, and never pays the debt back. When it all goes to shit, they burn the place down for the insurance money, or just leave. This is broadly what private-equity (La Cosa Nostra for less spicy whites) has done to the US as a whole, ever since Ike warned about the military industrial complex. They took control of the American Republic after World War II, ran up forever war bills on the joints credit, overcharge or just steal money out the unauditable Pentagon, and never pay the mounting debt back. Now it’s all going shit and they’re burning the place down, dumping and pumping the entire US economy in a last orgy of insider trading.
https://indi.ca/military-industrial-simple/

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 11 2025 2:50 utc | 125

@ LongT1me | May 10 2025 16:07 utc | 30
–it is hard not to think this is a part of the bigger picture here, in spite of trumps protestations of his benevolent peace achieving abilities… does trump have control of the cia? i doubt it..
Posted by: james | May 10 2025 21:09 utc | 87
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The question of an autonomous CIA has been around for quite a while. Chuck Schumer referred to them as ‘ — seven days from Sunday’ to get control over what they want and who they do and do not want.
Trump does not want to be JFKed, that at least is clear. Driving the clown car was his wont even before his first term, keeping everyone off balance and making it up as he goes along. It may save him this time around and he is trying not to break too much china (all pun intended).

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 11 2025 3:21 utc | 126

Rings a bell ?
Remember the Valley Of Death incident in Kashmir ?
35 Sikhs gunned down in cold blood , immediately blamed on Pak, during Clinton’s visit ?

Posted by: denk | May 11 2025 3:33 utc | 127

Rings a bell ?
Remember the Valley Of Death incident in Kashmir ?
35 Sikhs gunned down in cold blood , immediately blamed on Pak, during Clinton’s visit ?

Posted by: denk | May 11 2025 3:34 utc | 128

Iran has been shuttling back and forth India-Pakistan the last few days – evidently decided to give the ribbon to the Orange Man, to get him to calm down.
And by the way, LoveDonbass, leeches are still the most effective (but least efficient) mode of treatment, which will not disappear when Big Pharma goes down. There is a cure for every disease except death, remember.

Posted by: Taliwang | May 11 2025 3:38 utc | 129

Bizarre to claim, falsely, that most of the Kashmir attack victims were Muslim, even moreso to repeat that claim here weeks after the victims were identified

Posted by: Hank | May 11 2025 3:44 utc | 130

@ Acco Hengst | May 11 2025 3:21 utc | 126
as memory serves, pat lang held a similar view and thought the cia/fbi had to be dismantled..

Posted by: james | May 11 2025 3:49 utc | 131

How about the hijack of IAL 1999, right before Clinton’s visit also blamed on Pak ?
See the pattern ?

Posted by: denk | May 11 2025 4:01 utc | 132

What about India’s own 911, reeks of a CIA/MI6/RAW/MOSSAD FF ?

motives for the “highly plausible” false flag attack, Davidsson notes, are not difficult to find. The attacks not only filled the coffers of national security agencies, creating as they did the impression of a permanent threat to India, but also helped tilt India toward those countries claiming to take the lead in the War on Terror (809 ff.; 847). The FBI showed great interest in the attacks from the outset. It actually had a man on the scene during the attacks and sent an entire team directly after the event (812 ff.). The Bureau was, remarkably, given direct access to the arrested suspect and to his recorded confession (before he even had a lawyer), as well as to eyewitnesses (651-652; 815). The New York Police Department also sent a team after the conclusion of the event (816-817), as did Scotland Yard and Israeli police (651; 851). There seems to have been something of a national security fest in relation to Mumbai as ideas of closer cooperation in matters of security were Discussed

https://tinyurl.com/2hxprr26

Posted by: denk | May 11 2025 4:40 utc | 133

Thats all folks !

Posted by: denk | May 11 2025 4:41 utc | 134

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 11 2025 3:21 utc | 126
Yeah I am sure Roy Cohen’s protege who hung out with the NY mob and laundered eastern block money via Deutch Bank is a total outsider to the CIA. Never worked with them at all.
You got a bridge to sell me? That one that goes between Manhattan and Brooklyn looks nice is it for sale?

Posted by: Badjoke | May 11 2025 4:43 utc | 135

This is, as you say, “a notable and laudable victory” — provided that the ceasefire holds.

Posted by: the Antiprofessor | May 11 2025 4:49 utc | 136

“The US have approved a transfer of 125 HIMARS missiles and 100 Patriot missiles to Ukraine”. The missiles have been part of German inventories, but needed approval from Washington. They are already on their way to Ukraine. Source: NYT
Acting on one hand as if he has had enough of Zelensky, and as if he is Putin and Russia’s friend, while trying to bring about peace between both.
Who needs enemies when you have friends like this?

Posted by: George | May 11 2025 4:55 utc | 137

Thanks b.
I see India’s military and media have taken lessons from Ukraine’s and Israel’s PR and media gurus. Lie, lie and then double down on the lies. And, when all fails, flat out lie.
Nobody had to take down their pants to show their dicks before being shot. How do we know? There’s video evidence from a guy on a zip line showing people in the background being shot while running away.
In the heavily militarized and police Kashmir, the authorities were unable to lockdown the site or identify/catch the gunman/gunmen despite the place having cameras everywhere.
All major Indian media outlets had to back down and retract fake stories of Pakistani troops dressed as civilians beheading Indian soldiers.
Al @ 11 takes the misdirection approach by listing all the violent USAID financed “resistance” movements as an example.
On May 1, Pakistan news reported Air Marshall DP Dharkar’s forced retirement after 7 months of being appointed deputy Air Chief. His crime? Public criticising Rafales inability to avoid interception by J10Cs.
Video footage of the raging infernos at Adampur Air Base indicates the S 400 system was hit. China has the S400 as well and all radio/radiation data would have been known.
If there’s confirmation of the Brahmos storage facility being hit, then that’s a trifecta. Solid effort, Pakistan.
Maybe Indian FM “This is not the era of War” Jaishankar can now eat humble pie and announce a nationwide effort to build new sanitary facilities in that giant Long Drop (public shithouse) masquerading as the world’s largest Democracy.

Posted by: Suresh | May 11 2025 5:40 utc | 138

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 10 2025 19:12 utc | 63
“It’s like believing in using leeches to treat diseases in 2025.”
While I do understand the point you were trying to make, the above sentence is a rather poor simile to use in support of your thesis, as Leeches and maggots are FDA approved and still used in modern medicine
Sorry for the OT.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 11 2025 6:53 utc | 139

“Three Indian owned, French build Rafale jets and two Russian build MIG and Sukhoi fighters were lost to Chinese made PL-15 missiles.”
This is fake news. The photographs shown by Pakistan are of different air crashes. These have been identified and published. See
https://www.cnbctv18.com/india/india-dismisses-pakistans-claims-of-shooting-down-its-fighter-planes-19600868.htm
“The results are unclear. Claims about damages from both sides are notoriously unreliable.”
Anybody can visit the YouTube channel of Ministry of External Affairs of India (https://www.youtube.com/@MEAIndia) where photographic evidence of Indian claims and refutation of Pakistan claims are presented and explained.
Pakistan is just an Asian equivalent of Ukraine. Troublemaker, liar, oppressor of its own people, drunk on its own sense of superiority and entitlement. Their foreign minister has admitted on video that they were the ones who did the dirty work of Western powers in breeding Islamic terrorism. The recent funeral of a top terrorist killed in Indian airstrike, was officiated by another terrorist with a bounty placed on his head by the USA, was attended by the Pakistani military brass and the coffin was draped in Pakistan state flag. The Asian version of Bandera-worship
I am surprised at the lack of fact checking at MoA. Not what is expected from the great Bernhardt. Hope you are more careful next time.

Posted by: sumant | May 11 2025 7:14 utc | 140

More Underpants Gnome tactics
1. Act as if you are the friend of one side then do the opposite with your actions.
2. Act as if you are the friend of the other side then do the opposite with your actions
3.Nothing changes, but claim you are the great peace maker that saved everyone and hopefully get lots of attention in the media

Posted by: George | May 11 2025 7:19 utc | 141

Unlike you I will be upfront, I will not accept that Trump is a revolutionary against the Deep State, which I don’t believe in. Nor am I an accelerationist, who believes destroying the status quo and it will magically get better. (My judgment is that things will get worse.) Actually I agree that Trump is not the personal cause of the bourgeoisie’s turn towards a de facto dictatorship…but I don’t believe in simply destroying the fragments of bourgeois democracy we have now, I believe in replacing the dictatorship of capital with the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Posted by: steven t johnson | May 10 2025 21:51 utc | 91
Suck a dick, you imperialist troll. We all see your fake ass. Change that handle. It’s ruined, punk. Dust yourself off and try again, Stevie boy.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 11 2025 7:20 utc | 142

Posted by: Suresh | May 11 2025 5:40 utc | 138
Peace be with you, Suresh.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 11 2025 7:20 utc | 143

45 ammaayi –“Himalayas are unstable, and not safe for building to large damns. There is little risk of Indus water being diverted. It is technically impossible as of now. What India can do is not to share hydrological data, which makes management of water flows little difficult for Pakistan.”
This is good news.

Posted by: Lavieja | May 11 2025 7:21 utc | 144

Posted by: sumant | May 11 2025 7:14 utc | 140
Time for a Sri Lankan joke.
White man tells a Sri Lankan man I will give you five dollars to climb up into that coconut tree and pose for a picture. So the Sri Lankan man climbs up into the tree and the white man takes his picture. The Sri Lankan man looks down from the tree and asks the white man what he will give him if he climbs down. The white man reply’s “I don’t care if you ever get out of the tree”.
Get the point. India is just as fucked up and backwards as Pakistan and nobody cares about either of you. Modi is a fascist and the Paki Junta is not much better. The only time people think about either of you is when you are about to nuke each other. And that’s only because of the effects on the rest of the world.
BTW: The French have admitted 2 of the downing’s claimed so who gives a fuck. The RaFail is going to bring an end to French military aircraft production and India’s corrupt government bought 36 of them for 240 million each even though they are no better than the Tejas.

Posted by: Badjoke | May 11 2025 7:39 utc | 145

I am surprised at the lack of fact checking at MoA.
Posted by: sumant | May 11 2025 7:14 utc | 140
Seriously? Why is that, because it seems to occur frequently.

Posted by: Roger | May 11 2025 8:18 utc | 146

I am surprised at the lack of fact checking at MoA. Not what is expected from the great Bernhardt. Hope you are more careful next time.
Posted by: sumant | May 11 2025 7:14 utc | 140
Great! But who fact checks the fact checker? 😉

Posted by: NoName | May 11 2025 8:27 utc | 147

Trump and achieving peace: Berletic on continuity of (war) agenda, focus on China, but touching on all wars (Ukraine, Palestine…)
Recommended
https://globalsouth.co/2025/05/10/pete-hegseth-accidentally-exposes-plan-for-us-war-with-china-brian-berletics-takedown/

Posted by: JB | May 11 2025 8:53 utc | 148

And China is not Pro-Palestine. They are only supporting Palestine to get back at Israel for siding with the US on the Uyghurs genocide hoax.
Posted by: Al | May 10 2025 15:55 utc | 24
Bullshit.
Obviously you’re a clueless cockwomble.
The Palestinian cause has been a well articulated part of the Chinese communist revolution since the time of Mao.
A history described by the Chinese legal representative to the ICJ during the Gaza Genocide court proceedings.
Your ignorance of the facts doesn’t entitle you to make things up on a whim.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 11 2025 8:54 utc | 149

JB | May 11 2025 8:53 utc | 149
I’m starting to become familiar with the name “Pete Hegseth” and “accident/accidentally” in the same sentence

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 11 2025 9:08 utc | 150

91 steven t Johnson — “Nor am I an accelerationist, who believes destroying the status quo and it will magically get better. (My judgment is that things will get worse.) Actually I agree that Trump is not the personal cause of the bourgeoisie’s turn towards a de facto dictatorship…but I don’t believe in simply destroying the fragments of bourgeois democracy we have now, I believe in replacing the dictatorship of capital with the dictatorship of the proletariat.”
Absolutely agree with this statement which helps to clarify my own view.

Posted by: Lavieja | May 11 2025 9:52 utc | 151

I too am with Stephen–steven t johnson | May 10 2025 21:51 utc | 91
I pretty much oppose all of Trump’s policies, just like I did during his last presidency. But I also saw Biden as nothing more than a Presidential Band-Aid — his gestures toward reform were too little, too late. Worse, he continued many of Trump’s worst policies, especially when it came to foreign policy and militarism, which makes him just as dreadful in my view.
I didn’t oppose Trump’s COVID relief efforts per se, but like everything else he did, they were insufficient and reactionary; poorly thought out and badly implemented. And while I despise Biden’s Zionist Genocidal policies, Trump’s are even worse — predictably so. My opposition to Trump isn’t about some imaginary “Deep State” operation. I don’t believe in that as most do. I believe in an entrenched American-Anglo-Zionist real ruling class — and Trump has always been a loyal member of it. Unlike Biden, who had to climb into that world in the 1970s and earn his loyalty stripes, Trump was born into it. That doesn’t make him better — if anything, it makes him more dangerous. He knows where the new Billionaire Techno-Fascist Class are coming from and how they think.
People keep treating Trump as if he’s a rebel or a revolutionary against the system. He isn’t. He’s a functionary of US Hyper-Imperialism, just like every president before him. The obsession with Trump as a unique figure — rather than one of many cast members in the ongoing play of U.S. imperialism — misses the point entirely. The presidency itself is an elite capitalist institution designed to manage and protect that imperial system, regardless of who’s in the role. Personalities matter in this system, yes, like the paint colour of a room, but they’re not the root of the problem — the US imperialist capitalist system is. If you want to fight that you do not support a Donald J Trump Presidency nor what his Administration does.
So no, I don’t buy the idea that Trump is fighting the so-called “Deep State.” That’s just a fantasy. And no, I’m not an accelerationist either. I don’t believe things need to collapse in order to get better. I actually think things will just keep getting worse unless we actively build something better. The chances of that are as close to zero you can get.
I’m not interested in defending the fragments of this broken bourgeois pseudo-capitalist democracy — I want to replace the dictatorship of capital with the dictatorship of the proletariat-a government of the people by the people for the people. China sounds nice as a starting template at least. That’s the direction I believe in.
So my challenge mirrors Stephen’s and it is this: show me any credible argument for how defending Trump is anti-imperialist. Because from where I stand, it looks like the exact opposite.
My useful historical reference recently picked up from here-
Hyper-Imperialism: A Dangerous Decadent New Stage
https://thetricontinental.org/studies-on-contemporary-dilemmas-4-hyper-imperialism/

Posted by: Roger | May 11 2025 10:22 utc | 152

Two comments by J D Vance:
“We can’t control these countries, though,” Vance said in an interview “, swiftly followed by “… we’re not going to get involved in the middle of war that’s fundamentally none of our business and has nothing to do with America’s ability to control it,” he added.
Suggest the opposite to me – just a feeling.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | May 11 2025 10:39 utc | 153

Everything has context. Just as the SMO didn’t ’just happen unprovoked’ in 2022, and the Gaza concentration camp breakout in Oct23 didn’t just happen.
The British AngloZionist Empire had NO INTENTION of leaving India. We can see the playbook from the 2003 Iraq invasion. The intention was to balkanise and make India ungovernable. whilst the partition discussions were ongoing, Churchill ordered a town planner from Harrow borough council (I kid you not), to go to India and draw the partition map in 3 weeks. This man had never been to India.
The forces of law, the huge British Indian army in which my entire family served, and the police were ORDERED by the imperial authorities to stand down. Clearly with reference to Iraq, this was to facilitate agent provocateurs starting the communal killing, linked the British SAS arrested by Basra police dressed as Arabs with rucksacks full of bombs. All of the senior officers were British of both the army and police. They prevented intervention to stop the violence.
Independence was declared for the nascent Pakistan but EVERY government building had been emptied, even of furniture.
The situation was set up to fail disastrously so that subsequently British imperial authority could declare disaster and walk back in to ‘stabilise’ the situation. Again refer to Iraq to Anglo Zionist actions.
In this maelstrom Kashmir was a massively pro Pakistan population with close clan and kinship ties with northern Punjabi. Language, culture, dress. Kashmir is 20 miles from Rawalpindi and hundreds of miles from Delhi. The people are literally family kin, related by marriage, land holdings etc..
They were promised a plebiscite, which India never implemented, instead choosing the Zionist path of occupation and opression. 70,000 Kashmiri people had been murdered by Indian paramilitaries long before the Pakistani military began the US vassalage in the1990s.
Modi is a hindutva fascist, an ideology built on hate, created by the British to fracture Indian unity after the great Indian rebellion of 1856. He comes from gujarat, over 1000 miles from Kashmir, different language culture, dress food etc..
Kasmiris regard modi and his cronies as foreigners and like any oppressed people , will fight for their freedom.

Posted by: Peacemakesplenty | May 11 2025 11:32 utc | 154

Roger who has terminal TDS, has just won ,”The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today Award” for below gibberish:
“So no, I don’t buy the idea that Trump is fighting the so-called “Deep State.”
Posted by: Roger | May 11 2025 10:22 utc | 152
The Deep Stare tried to lawfare Trump and when that failed they tried to assassinate him twice.
That’s why DOGE was created :to attempt to defend and destroy the ‘Deep State.
Roger has, obviously, lost whatever rtationality he once enjoyed.

Posted by: canuck | May 11 2025 11:59 utc | 155

Posted by: sumant | May 11 2025 7:14 utc | 140
What is obvious from the outside is that Pakistan’s propaganda was prepared and looks exactly like Ukro propaganda. And guess who else took part? CNN, of course.
Sorry if that is offensive to users from Pakistan, it’s just how it looks, the only thing missing was Ghost of Kyyyiiivv
Now satellite images started to appear with bases hit in Pakistan. No one cares to comment about that? Fake, real? Who did what?

Posted by: rk | May 11 2025 12:11 utc | 156

“Yeah I am sure Roy Cohen’s protege who hung out with the NY mob and laundered eastern block money via Deutch Bank is a total outsider to the CIA. Never worked with them at all.
You got a bridge to sell me? That one that goes between Manhattan and Brooklyn looks nice is it for sale?”
Posted by: Badjoke | May 11 2025 4:43 utc | 135
No documentation on your bold assertions?
Another case of terminal TDS.
BTW: It’s, “Deutsch Bank AG’, not, ‘Deutch Bank’.

Posted by: canuck | May 11 2025 12:20 utc | 157

“There is a cure for every disease except death, remember.”
Posted by: Taliwang | May 11 2025 3:38 utc | 129
Not according to Socrates, or Jesus for that matter:
“Socrates believed that death was not the end but the beginning of a spiritual life. He saw it as a liberation of the soul from the body, a chance to achieve true wisdom and virtue. He encouraged his followers to focus on spiritual health and see death as a passage to a new life, rather than something to be feared. In his final moments, he even offered thanks to the physician god Asklepios for his release from earthly concerns.
Elaboration:
Socrates’s views on death are explored in Plato’s dialogues, particularly the Phaedo and the Apology. In these works, he argues that philosophers should not fear death because it marks the separation of the soul from the body, which is the ultimate goal of the philosopher. He believes that in the afterlife, philosophers can continue their pursuit of wisdom and virtue in a purer state.
Socrates’s willingness to accept death, even when facing unjust accusations and a death sentence, reflects his commitment to his philosophical ideals and his belief in the value of a spiritual life. He saw death as a natural part of the process of becoming more virtuous and enlightened.
Offering:
While Socrates did not have a specific offering to make in the sense of a religious ritual, his final words and actions can be seen as a kind of offering:
His commitment to philosophy:
He continued to engage in philosophical discourse until his death, offering his wisdom and guidance to his followers.
His example of courage:
His acceptance of death, despite the potential consequences, demonstrated a commitment to truth and justice, an offering of his life to his principles.
His thanks to Asklepios:
He acknowledged the physician god’s role in his release from earthly concerns and his passage to a new life. hence, give a cock to Askepios on my death/birth.
Plato: Phaedo | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Thus, Socrates concludes, it would be unreasonable for a philosopher to fear death, since upon dying he is most likely to obtain truth….

Posted by: canuck | May 11 2025 12:24 utc | 158

The Indians got their noses bloodied when they probably thought Pakistan wouldn’t respond in any meaningdul way.
This whole episode was all ego for the Indian leadership especially Modi and at least the whole episode will make them think twice in the future. All that French/Israeli/US weapons tech has its limits and may not even be that great as it’s all only been tested against rag tag militias in the middle east. Against a peer armed with modern weapons it is very vulnerable as we have seen in Ukraine. The Indians should have been watching and adjusting based on this but again the ego I see in their leadership. They can never defeat Pakistan without suffering unnaceptable losses themselves , the only road available here is diplomacy.
Given that I don’t give much credit here to team Trump, both of the parties but especially India was loooking for a way out as Pakistan looked to have made the decision to escalate as much as needed.
I suspect the ceasefire will hold and India in the future will think twice before hitting Pakistan proper. The biggest loser here is Modi and his leadership, they ended up with egg on their face and frankly exposed. The biggest winner is Pakistan whom did suffer casualties and losses but whom I suspect actually established detterence against any further Indian attacks on Pakistan proper and appears to have actually employed their weapons in an effective and costly manner against India.

Posted by: silverfoxes | May 11 2025 12:30 utc | 159

BTW: It’s, “Deutsch Bank AG’, not, ‘Deutch Bank’.
Posted by: canuck | May 11 2025 12:20 utc | 157
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It’s Deutsche Bank AG.

Posted by: malenkov | May 11 2025 12:30 utc | 160

Wow!
Comment #160 about India and Pakistan being incapable of reaching agreement and not a word about the Caste System.
I Joogled India’s Caste System and here’s the crux of the result:
The system is characterized by a hierarchical structure, with four main varnas (Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras) and the Dalits (formerly known as “Untouchables”) who exist outside the varna system. While the caste system has been officially abolished in India, it continues to influence social dynamics and is a source of discrimination, particularly for Dalits.
Amusingly, Pakistan is burdened by a similar system, which suggests that it’s almost miraculous when Indians or Pakastanis agree with their own countrymen. And it would probably require Divine Intervention for India & Pakistan to agree on any thing!

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 11 2025 12:35 utc | 161

Posted by: malenkov | May 11 2025 12:30 utc | 160
Thank you for the correction.

Posted by: canuck | May 11 2025 12:37 utc | 162

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 11 2025 8:54 utc | 149
You are 100% correct!

Posted by: canuck | May 11 2025 12:58 utc | 163

@ #3
“The issues between India and Pakistan goes back centuries.”
No it doesn’t! Pakistan only came into existence in 1948 with the British partition of India.

Posted by: Barofsky | May 11 2025 13:03 utc | 164

153 Roger. Yet, I don’t know that anyone has said or believes that Trump is anti-imperialist. He’s a functionary of the US capitalist system primarily But, imo, that doesn’t preclude him from preferring not to be involved in presiding over wars during his tenancy in the WH, perhaps because he doesn’t want that hassle and even may see the likelihood a war could derail a successful presidency, for whatever reason. It could even be he doesn’t like fighting or thinks it’s a waste of time. So, in a sense an individual can have an influence on history even if it’s partly because of chance. For Trump, however, it’s unlikely he could prevail over the powers that be. And I have to say, because he hasn’t got the personal power or the knowhow to control to the extent necessary the strings of govt. and power (so I’m back to the individual and chance can tip the scale). I remember Trump during his era as a climbing, then top real estate magnate, since I lived in NYC then. He was always in the limelight, although I didn’t pay much attention to him then. Why people found him then and now to be of continuing interest is a topic I won’t burden this post with. But I don’t think Trump was ever, a member of upper-class society (which I thought was wasp then) even though his (originally- immigrant?) father sent him to an ivy league college. A real estate magnate, but also casinos, etc. were Trump’s businesses, not an upper class mileau.
About ceasefire. From what I know, ever since the Partition of Pakistan and India, the two countries have been fighting, and the violence before and after partition was very gruesome, burning of huge numbers of people on a train and so on, another legacy of English colonialism so there’s that. And the unresolved question of independence for Kashmir. You probably know this already. Since there is a flare up of violence every couple of years and no headway towards settlement one could look at the times when there isn’t fighting as ceasefires. With Hindutva Modi in control, who, following Nutyahoo, jumps at any opportunity to injure Muslim blood in Pakistan and a huge number of the indoctrinated Hindu population ready, a ceasefire could be the best one can hope for. There was someone (can’t remember name, unfortunately, but I took him to know what he was talking about about, all I can say) who was calling for the US superpower to exercise influence, and this could be a realist case in which the US could do so. So I have to say maybe a ceasefire is better than nothing and whoever did it, Trump included, more power to them. Caveat, don’t know if it will hold of course. This is the new world of barbarism, the rise of which no super power was willing to monkeywrench by helping the Palestinians.
Sometimes I apply the theory of French theorist Louis Althusser, that subjects of late capitalism are already interpellated by capitalist ideology, into their positionalities in the capitalist social order. So, we’ve got at work here, not only the Repressive State Apparatus, but also the Ideological State Apparatus. Within this structural system, how could one expect Trump to break out of his program — he’s never going to abandon the belief in American exceptionalism, and he’s not going to stop believing that criminals are mostly people of color (racism, but not so racist that he doesn’t like or admire wealthy and/or powerful elites or rulers of color), punishment is the best solution, and so on. And then he’s destroying the social safety net because people are not just entitled to be bailed out. And whether he consciously thinks about it or not, he’s going to serve his masters and uphold the capitalist system. But there are still other reasons he could instead do something or other we want him to do like influence or impose a ceasefire. That may be better than nothing right now for India/Pakistan. For Gaza, it has to be an agreement Hamas would agree with, and they know what they’re doing, I believe.
Thank you for the link to hyper-imperialism documents. I had heard of a similar study Vijay Prashad had mentioned but did not find it.

Posted by: Lavieja | May 11 2025 13:20 utc | 165

What often goes unmentioned when this subject comes up is this: Pakistan has no legitimate claim to Kashmir, including the part it occupies.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 11 2025 13:22 utc | 166

165 Lavieja — I have just remembered it was Ahenobarbus that started this whole argument and then I quoted him. I was focused on the hypocrisy and disingenuousness of Democrats and how one can’t seem to escape their messaging, and I should have paid more attention to that poster’s accusation that being anti-Trump is synonymous with supporting imperialism before I chose that particular sentence to quote. In truth, the statement seems bogus to me. There is no necessary connection, no A therefore B here. And as posters steven t johnson & Roger have said, it also doesn’t follow that opposing Trump means you’re a Democrat. There are plenty of Trump’s domestic policies that attack the poor and will make more people poor in the US. It would have been more sensible to focus the entire argument on internal US conditions it appears to me.
But the Democrats attack Trump so loudly, incessantly and indiscriminately that they drown out any legitimate criticism from people who don’t affiliate with either brand of the duopoly.
As I said in my above post, when Trump lived in NYC I lived there at that time and he always received an inordinate amount of attention. Just to let people know that CWT, Ceaselessly Watching Trump, is not a new condition, but has been going around for 40 some years.

Posted by: Lavieja | May 11 2025 14:18 utc | 167

Roger @152: “”So no, I don’t buy the idea that Trump is fighting the so-called “Deep State.””
You poor TDS victims are so consumed by your hysteria and irrational hared of the boogieman that mass media implanted in your imaginations that simple objective reality eludes you.
Trump did not declare war on the Deep State, rather the Deep State and Establishment media declared war on Trump because Trump personifies their failure to maintain control of “The Democracy Show™”.
“The Democracy Show™” is supposed to be scripted and choreographed to assure that the plebeians are de facto disenfranchised; that their votes have no impact on the functioning and direction of the state. Normally this is guaranteed with Tweedledee/Tweedledum candidates who will pursue the same policies, only with slight variations in the rhetorical spin on those policies. In 2016, however, the Empire was in a delicate position, balancing many spinning plates that the slightest disturbance could send crashing to the ground – war preparation in the Ukraine, color revolutions in Latin America and Asia (CRs take years to setup and orchestrate), popular resistance to the Empire in Europe that needed suppression, stranglehold in MENA that needed to be solidified, “woke” domestic culture war to reinforce, and so on. Slight variations in rhetorical cover of policies were not an option (for example: Hollywood had many $billions worth of media in years-long pipelines intended to synergize with the expected outcome of “The Democracy Show™”), and the Empire’s strategists needed 100% assurance that the Clinton dynasty/CIA succession plan would continue unaltered. The premature Obama win (he was scheduled for 2016 and Hillary was supposed to take 2008) had them nervous, so no more such unexpected disturbances in the plan could be tolerated. Very high stakes indeed for the Deep State/Establishment.
In their delusional hubris, the Deep State/Establishment chose to achieve this certainty of outcome in “The Democracy Show™” (Clinton win) by setting up the contest with an opponent who they felt could not possibly win; a joke candidate who had experience with and was comfortable with playing the “heel” role in kayfabe. So certain were they of the outcome of “The Democracy Show™” that they didn’t even prepare any turkey stuffing for the ballot boxes like they do for elections in Mexico and Brazil and so on, That takes preparation and cannot be arranged while the vote is underway. They were prepared for 2020 and that is how the vegetable got 81 million votes while reposing in his coffin full of Scranton slag in the basement like the undead creature he is.
The US voters completely blindsided the Deep State/Establishment by handing the win to the candidate who should never have had a chance. Unable to accept that their clever plans could have been so flawed, the Deep State/Establishment grasped at deus ex machina explanations like “Russian collusion”. While we often refer to the whole “Russiagate” craziness as a hoax now, in fact the Deep State/Establishment really believed it at the time. After all, the Empire was preparing to heat up the Ukraine war then and if the Russians were not just a bunch of clueless oafs they could reasonably be expected to try and disrupt the plans. That’s what America would do in those circumstances, anyway.
But “Russian collusion” would require Trump’s participation, which would mean he had deceived the Deep State/Establishment by only pretending to be the kayfabe heel in the election. Such imagined treachery caused the Deep State/Establishment to switch from the proforma demonization of Trump that is expected treatment of the kayfabe heel to all-out vicious attacks.
Trump never had a problem playing the bad guy in “The Democracy Show™”. He hammed it up. He never intended to really fight the Deep State, but when he surprisingly (even to himself) won in 2016, Trump expected the machinery of state to work with him and not against him. The unelected state is supposed to obey the orders of the elected Chief Executive. That is just how democracy is supposed to work. That things didn’t turn out that way demonstrated democracy wasn’t working. If one happens to believe in democracy (not “The Democracy Show™”) then it is something that must be corrected. Trump, perhaps naively, believes in democracy. His victories despite the most vicious attacks by the Deep State/Establishment, from slander to lawfare all the way up to multiple attempted assassinations, showed that there was a possibility of democracy in “The Democracy Show™”. Is it so unreasonable for Trump to feel obligated to the voters to push back against the forces in the Deep State/Establishment who are working to extinguish that hint of democracy from “The Democracy Show™”? I don’t think so.
Trump would have been happy to work with the Deep State/Establishment. He wasn’t the one who started the fight. It was very obviously the Deep State/Establishment that started the fight. Trump wasn’t given a choice. Fighting back was the only option available to him.
Kinda parallels the Empire’s fight with Russia to a degree. Russia wasn’t given a choice in that fight either.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 11 2025 14:20 utc | 168

Craig Murray’s rather shocking blunder on who was killed in the terror incident throws his whole narrative about 5 downed Indian planes into question.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 11 2025 14:36 utc | 169

165 Lavieja — rewrite of first 2 sentences:
Yet, I don’t know that anyone has said or believes that Trump is anti-imperialist. He’s a functionary of the US capitalist system primarily, and “Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism” (V.I. Lenin).
THE LAST POST

Posted by: Lavieja | May 11 2025 14:39 utc | 170

Now India has officially published a lot of satellite images with their strikes in Pakistan.
MSM says the strike at Nur Khan Airbase was interpreted by US as a warning that India could “decapitate” Pakistan’s nuclear command, which they claim that it explains why Camacho went from “not our problem” to “peace peace!!!” in less than 24h ( nytimes.com/2025/05/10/us/politics/trump-india-pakistan-nuclear.html )
Since most of this thread’s comments are based on cnn’s reporting about Indian losses, I assume nytimes is not a problem.

Posted by: rk | May 11 2025 14:52 utc | 171

Denk reminds us all that there is never any shortage of nasty business in the area. Thank you Denk 🙂
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Responding to Nothingburgers ( May 11 2025 2:43 utc | 122 ) in particular.
Interesting and decent list, here are some additions:
— Keeps the temperature up in the region.
— Creates work and insecurity for China’s relations with Pakistan, India, Iran, and maybe even Afghanistan.
— The same for Iran with China and the rest.
— Eventually Russia too will be inconvenienced or worse.
— The further things go the more get involved…
Is Pakistan being lured or forced into becoming the local scapegoat, pawn piece, and/or sacrificial lamb?
Does “Israel” fear the Pakistani nukes?
Pakistan which sits between Iran, Afghanistan, China, and India, and which has various at least slightly complicated relations with all of them (China mainly due to Kashmir and India but there’s some other smaller stuff too).
There is, both naturally and unnaturally (especially due to the secret services of Pakistan and India) a lot of crossing and at times changing relations and conflicts between all of these nations, connections which do not all follow the same direction.
If the temperature becomes high enough the region also becomes a problem for Russia and Russian relations with all of these countries.
What a tempting anthill for all the sick bullies with sticks…
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Like Lantern Dude ( May 11 2025 10:39 utc | 154 ) pointed out I think that when the US says it is not involved and can’t control anything it looks like an admission and/or guarantee that the US is at least part of the source of the problem and tries to control/manipulate it to their own gain.
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B is not an oracle, he gives his view, stop picking fights with the host.
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Kashmir (and communism or socialism for that matter): the solution in a sensible world would be to …oh forget it :/ XD

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 11 2025 16:08 utc | 172

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 11 2025 7:20 utc | 142 It’s not clear whether the outrage is over my denial of the Deep State and/or accelerationism…or over invoking the dictatorship of the proletariat? In either case, to me it is clear this comment shows that Trump’s hammer sees every nail that sticks up as a Democrat. Any that stand out must be hammered flat. The conclusion that someone who denies the existence of a Deep State (there is a ruling class!) or denies accelerationism is pro-imperialist can only make sense to a Trump cultist. Or a Trotskyite wrecker.
I must say I am surprised and pleased to see Roger Boyd disavowing accelerationism. I had believed otherwise, my apologies for being wrong.

Posted by: steven t johnson | May 11 2025 16:16 utc | 173

Trump would have been happy to work with the Deep State/Establishment. He wasn’t the one who started the fight. It was very obviously the Deep State/Establishment that started the fight. Trump wasn’t given a choice. Fighting back was the only option available to him.
Kinda parallels the Empire’s fight with Russia to a degree. Russia wasn’t given a choice in that fight either.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 11 2025 14:20 utc | 168
Exactly…

Posted by: Old Woman | May 11 2025 16:35 utc | 174

Craig Murray’s rather shocking blunder on who was killed in the terror incident throws his whole narrative about 5 downed Indian planes into question.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 11 2025 14:36 utc | 169
Yes, it makes his claims rather dubious.

Posted by: Old Woman | May 11 2025 16:36 utc | 175

At least one out of three Rafale‘s seems to be confimed.
https://theaviationist.com/2025/05/07/indian-rafale-shot-down-photos/

Posted by: NoName | May 11 2025 17:15 utc | 176

Tell me that you know nothing about the kashmir issue without telling me because your ignorance is too much for someone who’s main job is commenting on geopolitics. So pls enlighten US about the tens of thousands of Hindu pandits raped and killed in the early 90’s or about the hundreds of thousands of Hindus and Sikhs who were evicted and their properties seized by local muslims under the cover of jihad . Or about the daily killings of police and paramilitary which got stopped once the Indian state started employing killings in return. Or the fact that the first batches of islamic jihadists were trained by the PLO even though India was one of its strongest supporters from the 60’s as part of the non aligned movement. Old leftists like you sitting in Europe may think that every fight is about imperialism and facism but your tired old slogans without any understanding of underlying religious fascism practiced by islamic forces against other religions over centuries and their genocide of Hindus and Sikhs and all other so called non believers in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India shows how out of touch with historical reality a political dinosaur like you are. But don’t despair because now you and your ilk can have the same experience very soon now that the jihadis are entrenched and growing in decaying Europe.

Posted by: Tranceislife | May 11 2025 17:54 utc | 177

B says: “Indian colonial behavior in Kashmir.” Kashmir is indian since 3500 years. Who is colon there with saoudis owning the houses of hindu kashmiri habinf flown away when being threatened to death in the 90th.

Posted by: Baile | May 11 2025 19:59 utc | 179

LoveDonbass @3 says”the conflict between india and Pakistan hold since centuries”.
Pakistan exists since 1947.

Posted by: Baile | May 11 2025 20:05 utc | 180

Posted by: Baile | May 11 2025 20:05 utc | 180
Posted by: Tranceislife | May 11 2025 17:54 utc | 177
Posted by: sumant | May 11 2025 7:14 utc | 140
FFS the Indians keyboard warriors have arrived @ MOA.
Don’t you people have better things to do, like digging a hole to defecate in?
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Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 11 2025 16:08 utc | 172
Simple answer: China! China holds economic hope for Pakistan, Afghanistan and the region. Sure, Pakistan has a history of assisting ME countries in its confrontation with the Genocidal Entity. But with Imran sidelined, not very sure of the de facto junta. Comments and admissions made about how Pakistan was used for Imperial projects is rather telling.
Modi needed a reason to abandon the Indus Water Agreement. The Zionist inspired Hinduvat Modi is as dupliticious as Erdogan. When the natives get restless, present a “common” enemy to distract them.
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While the Pakistan/India divide is only since Independence and can be argued to be an Imperial project (UK), the root cause is the Hindu/Muslim issue from the Mongol/Mughal invasion.
It the same shit different place.
Europe – Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox
ME – Muslim/Christian/Judaism
Sri Lanka/Myanmar – Buddhist/Hindu/Muslim
etc

Posted by: Suresh | May 11 2025 21:15 utc | 181

I must say I am surprised and pleased to see Roger Boyd disavowing accelerationism. I had believed otherwise, my apologies for being wrong.
Posted by: steven t johnson | May 11 2025 16:16 utc | 173
I think you’ll find it wasn’t Roger Boyd, but that manchild wanksockpuppet currently posing as just “Roger”.
Nice try, dickhead.

Posted by: Suresh | May 11 2025 21:52 utc | 182

About replies to my comment Posted by: Roger | May 11 2025 10:22 utc | 152
Posted by: canuck | May 11 2025 11:59 utc | 155
Posted by: Lavieja | May 11 2025 14:18 utc | 167
Posted by: William Gruff | May 11 2025 14:20 utc | 168
Posted by: Lavieja | May 11 2025 14:39 utc | 170
A careful reading of my commentary makes it clear that my focus was less about Trump personally and more about the deeper rot of the imperialist capitalist system — and what we might do about it. Reducing that critique to some tired notion of “Trump Derangement Syndrome” is not just lazy, it reflects a serious disconnect from reality and a failure in critical thinking. I don’t suffer from that ephemeral disorder, thank you.
If I criticize Biden, does that mean I have “Biden Derangement Syndrome”? Or is disagreeing with Macron now “MDS”? Opposing Lavrov — would that be “LDS”? Obviously not. The real derangement lies in those projecting such vain idiocies in place of genuine engagement with the ideas expressed.
I said what I said — clearly, I believe — and I see no point in repeating myself for those determined not to listen the first time.
Posted by: steven t johnson | May 11 2025 16:16 utc | 173
Sorry for the confusion, I am not Roger Boyd. He is the only “roger” in this world.
Posted by: Suresh | May 11 2025 21:52 utc | 182
Is it past medication time for you? Looks like it. Sadly, there’s no literal anti-conspiratorial pill (yet?), but we can definitely talk about what the metaphorical version might look like.
If we were to imagine one, it would be a blend of:
Critical Thinking Skills – the ability to evaluate sources, check logic, and recognize fallacies.
Media Literacy – knowing how to navigate propaganda, cherry-picking, emotional framing, and false balance.
Cognitive Reflection – slowing down your gut reactions, asking “Could I be wrong?” before sharing or believing something.
Social Courage – the strength to stand apart from groupthink and not be swayed by “everyone is saying it.”
Epistemic Humility – understanding the limits of your knowledge and the complexity of how truth is actually discovered.
Researchers have studied things like “inoculation theory” — a bit like a psychological vaccine. The idea is that exposing people to weak versions of misinformation, along with counter-arguments, can “immunize” them from falling for full-blown conspiracy theories later. So, short of a pill, we have education, conversation, and cultural resilience. All of which require a default absence of base stupidity and arrogant hubris.

Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 2:56 utc | 183

typo sorry
Posted by: steven t johnson | May 11 2025 16:16 utc | 173
Sorry for the confusion, I am not Roger Boyd. He is (not) the only “roger” in this world.

Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 2:58 utc | 184

India’s Pahalgam attack is evocative of Israel’s October 7th attack and America’s September 11th attack in that it was a “terror attack” used as a pretext for launching military bombing of a foreign country/”terrorists.”
You could say that the 4/22 Pahalgam attack, which just so happened to coincide with JD Vance’s visit in India, was India’s 10/7 and 9/11–a comparison that has a deeper meaning….
For 10/7, there is evidence that the Israelis had actionable intelligence that Hamas’ Al-Aqsa Flood operation was coming and the Israelis deliberately allowed it to happen (the Let It Happen On Purpose, or LIHOP, scenario).
For 9/11, there is evidence that the 9/11 “terror” attacks were an American inside job in which the USA (along with its allies) deliberately orchestrated this attack itself (the Made It Happen on Purpose, or MIHOP, scenario).
So for India’s 4/22 attack, one has to wonder if it was an Indian LIHOP or MIHOP attack.

Posted by: ak74 | May 12 2025 5:51 utc | 185

Apparently things are now calm…

Posted by: Newbie | May 12 2025 7:20 utc | 186

Roger @183: “If I criticize Biden, does that mean I have “Biden Derangement Syndrome”?”
If your criticism of Empire/US policy/capitalism/whatever pivots around criticism of the vegetable, then yes, you absolutely would have something like “Biden Derangement Syndrome”. I say “like” in this case as there is a nuance. We have not seen an orchestrated, large-scale, years-long demonization campaign mounted by mass media and academia against Biden like we have against Trump. Quite the opposite, in fact, with the presstitution industry very conspicuously covering for Biden’s obvious incapacity. While “Fuck Joe Biden!/Let’s go Brandon!” was a popular rallying cry for a while, the reality is that was much more a reaction to the above-mention canonization of Biden by the presstitutes and vacuous talking heads.
This distinction; being driven by mass media vs being opposed by mass media, is critical. It is easy to understand people being driven to hysteria and mental derangement by a high pressure campaign by authoritative voices shrilly alerting over threats, danger and imminent doom, so “Trump Derangement Syndrome” has a very clear and easily observed origin. But what forces in society could have led to a similar process to produce “Biden Derangement Syndrome”? Are we to believe all of the supposed BDS victims were tuned in to Alex Jones 24X7, or “Russian disinformation”, and somehow missed the mass media “fact checking” and asserting that Biden was bright and hale and good and noble?
No, there has been no process in society comparable to the Establishment’s coordinated demonization of Trump that could explain a similar mental disorder to TDS centered on Biden. TDS isn’t just some expression of Blue Team/Red Team tribalism. It is a literal mental disorder caused by constant exposure to alarming noises made concerning Trump from voices of authority (behavioral programming: associate frightening imagery with a target by using repetition and the subject will feel fear and panic when exposed to the target. This is old school stuff). For one to assert the existence of some “Biden Derangement Syndrome”, one would have to explain where such a disorder originated.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 12 2025 11:16 utc | 187

Posted by: Roger | May 12 2025 2:58 utc | 184 It is not necessary for you to apologize for my lapse in attention. But I appreciate your generosity.

Posted by: steven t johnson | May 12 2025 15:51 utc | 188

I see a lot of jehadis spouting haram nonsense about India and Hindus. I assumed that after reading Ukraine Rus war they learned something more other than blowing up themselves.
Hindu is the ancient most religion and subjected to highest genocide by Abrahamics.
India lost few fighters on Day1 but it was a masterclass in restraint and strategic goal achievement keeping below nuclear threshold and with outstanding performance of it’s homegrown supersonics and air defense.
Day1 India lost max of 5 fighters out of 80 due to restrain of not targetting Pakistan military assets. Imagine you are being shot at and you are not allowed to respond. They were evading missiles. And once permission to hit was granted from Day2 , not one fighter was lost. Meanwhile the HQ9 were taken out using 1 Mach missiles and not even like Iskander. Turkish drones were shot down merrily by Indian layered air defense that covered 1500 Km long. Happy to go in depth if anyone love to do intellectual or moral sparring…

Posted by: Vikram | May 13 2025 13:45 utc | 189

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India is the country that idolizes Hitler and loves Israel, right?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 13 2025 14:50 utc | 190

Important discussion between Vijay Prashad and Taimur Rahman on ‘Peoples’ Dispatch’ May 10 covers legacy of US war on terror and CIA’s operation Cyclone ‘which destroyed Pakistan’ says Rahman, and the religious extremism currently being fomented by CIA, Mossad, MI5, also Saudi GIA “will destroy not only Afghanistan and Pakistan, but will create problems for decades to come for entire Muslim world.”
Prashad concurs, “the scandal of these programs” (that were?orchestrated by the Modi govt. is that) “people die so that other people can get elected.”
Prashad continues: Large nations will always have minority disagreements. Must be addressed with dialogue. The US war on terror strategies, must be repudiated rather than followed by other countries. (1) Precision strikes cannot be used on or by heavily populated Asian countries. (2) “Strategic depth is extremely juvenile as a politics.” Countries can’t be “constantly poking and proding — extremely dangerous..not going to help us in India or Pakistan.” We need cross-border interchange…no justice in Kashmir from this method of behavior.”

Posted by: Lavieja | May 14 2025 0:09 utc | 191