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May 25, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-115
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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Scott Ritter on what is humanity on Nima. Impressive. Dr Marandi comes across as very well informed and diplomatic. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 27 2025 17:57 utc | 201 Posted by: Cynic | May 26 2025 20:27 utc | 154 Posted by: Newbie2 | May 27 2025 18:48 utc | 202 Roundup of commentary, various telegram sources linked previously… Posted by: Ornot | May 27 2025 19:56 utc | 203 A disruption at an aid distribution location was predicted earlier in this thread. It happened today. Posted by: jayc | May 27 2025 21:03 utc | 204 At this point I just don’t understand how the people of Gaza are surviving. Basically abandoned by every state (except Yemen) and with no hope in the near future. Not a lot of people would have endured better than these people have in the last 1,5 years. I don’t have any words for Muslim folks. But I’m glad that Saudis/UAE & Qatar (the so called HAMAS bank) will invest a shit ton of money into US. Posted by: JamesBond | May 27 2025 21:18 utc | 205 “Where’s the media? Where’s the panel of experts? Where are the public statements?” Posted by: michaelj72 | May 27 2025 21:48 utc | 206 • What are they chanting though …”Truck US aid” ? Posted by: Ornot | May 27 2025 22:01 utc | 207 see the 3:19 video at the first/second link (graphic) Posted by: michaelj72 | May 27 2025 22:04 utc | 208 Via Gazanewsnow2021 Posted by: Ornot | May 27 2025 22:19 utc | 209 Via Ayman Hanideq Posted by: Ornot | May 27 2025 22:31 utc | 210 “Hell is empty and all the devils are here” – William Shakespeare, The Tempest Posted by: michaelj72 | May 27 2025 22:42 utc | 211 Livestream: Why Ireland is the Palestine of Europe: Posted by: Vortex | May 27 2025 22:42 utc | 212 I don’t accept the simplistic explanation this catastrophe serves any of the purposes which have been suggested. Netanyahu is not in danger of going to prison for fraud. The Messiah is not likely to be somebody else. Israel will not survive the disgrace of this genocide. Posted by: Giyane | May 27 2025 23:03 utc | 213
Capitalists hold the reins of the West. Some may be Jewish, but Jews do not constitute a class on their own. And no, capitalists do not control China because China is ruled by a communist party. Russia has its own cadre of capitalists ruling over them, but they mostly serve Russia’s interests, especially after the forced divestment from the West post-Ukraine conflict.
On the topic of the Chinese exporting goods globally, let’s talk drones. Posted by: All Under Heaven | May 28 2025 1:00 utc | 214 @205 James Bond Posted by: Ornot | May 28 2025 1:08 utc | 215 Thread: Canada & Ebit Systems Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 28 2025 1:48 utc | 216 Toronto Police Protect War Criminal Gilad Erdan Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 28 2025 2:13 utc | 217 For those diligently pushing the “Russia and China are still trading with Israel” narrative (good job, I think the new unnamed non-USAID entity that’s receiving the funds that used to go to USAID and is now doing USAID’s job will be promoting you soon), here’s something else interesting for you to chew on:
Why is Russia giving the US physical goods that will enrich the lives of US citizens and also be eventually used against Russia in the battlefield?
What I am trying to articulate with so many words here that I’m sure most of MoA will skip past is this: Go fuck yourself and go fuck your ignorance on how imperialism and global trade works, Giyane. Oh, and I only used the word “fuck” because you seemed to have an affinity for it. I’m not opposed to rolling in the mud with pigs and bringing myself down to their level. Posted by: All Under Heaven | May 28 2025 2:14 utc | 218 this whole fake-aid charade is in fact a crime against humanity. you are a war criminal if you use starvation tactics in any war/conflict Posted by: michaelj72 | May 28 2025 2:31 utc | 219 re Hay’at, Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 28 2025 2:47 utc | 220 Blumenthal/Mate: The Grayzone Live (& vid) Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 28 2025 2:55 utc | 221 see the 17-second video at the first/second link Posted by: michaelj72 | May 28 2025 3:02 utc | 222 israel is a bat-shit crazy society Posted by: michaelj72 | May 28 2025 3:58 utc | 224 The sadist food distribution scheme unfolding in Gaza reminds one of the Small Pox blankets given to Native Americans in the 18th and 19th Centuries. Posted by: exile | May 28 2025 4:32 utc | 225 All Under Heaven 218 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2025 4:39 utc | 226 Posted by: exile | May 28 2025 4:32 utc | 225 Posted by: Badjoke | May 28 2025 4:50 utc | 227 218 All Under Heaven. So one should not think that the experiences of China in the Maoist Communist Revolution and that of the Russian Revolution will have any influence on their actions today when flagrant violations of international law and human rights — barbaric murder of entire populations — happen? All the ideas and aspirations that the revolutions of China and Russia inspired around the world and even within the Palestinian Resistance (which was taught and enabled to form a cohesive insurgency by China during the Mao era) are without substance in today’s late capitalist world and should be discarded. One must not expect that such history should ever inspire the international play of capitalism, world trade, to be put off kilter by support for BDS (in spite of South Africa’s history) by any major powers — don’t expect even the most mundain of political condemnation by closing embassies, or refusing to host visits by genociding heads of state. but, in Farsi, as well as Arabic, hay’at means Party. Posted by: laguerre | May 28 2025 5:42 utc | 229 228 Lavieja CORRECTION: see the 25-second video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | May 28 2025 6:09 utc | 231 The Resonance Posted by: Menz | May 28 2025 6:15 utc | 232 Quds News Network Posted by: Menz | May 28 2025 6:16 utc | 233 Square profile picture Posted by: Menz | May 28 2025 6:21 utc | 234 Good summary of the “aid” operation in Gaza: Posted by: teri | May 28 2025 13:44 utc | 235 Journalist Youssef Fares Posted by: Ornot | May 28 2025 14:10 utc | 236 Has it occurred to anyone that many commenters who profess to be devout Muslims or lovers of oblasts may actually be Jewish Israelis/Zionists/Supremacists themselves, here simply to further muddy the waters…? Posted by: Dan Kelly | May 28 2025 14:12 utc | 237 Millions of Arabs started chanting death to Jews long before a few crazy Jews recently started chanting death to Arabs. Both are disgusting, but the Arabs are worse because it is more widespread amongst them. Posted by: Fyi | May 28 2025 14:45 utc | 238 All Under Heaven. I don’t know if you saw this. https://www.telesurenglish.net/ireland-moves-to-ban-israeli-products-from-occupied-palestinian-territories-a-bold-stand-against-imperialism/. A brave step in the right direction. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 28 2025 14:53 utc | 239 @237 Dan Kelly Posted by: Ornot | May 28 2025 15:02 utc | 240 Dan Kelly 237 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2025 15:39 utc | 241 Posted by: All Under Heaven | May 28 2025 1:00 utc | 214
My first reaction to this particular paragraph is, the vast majority of MoA commenters, or MoA comments? Not sure if the frequency and abusiveness of a certain segment of the commentariat gives a false impression.
I must have missed the memo that came with my imperialist dividend, that this was American ruling class policy decided on at the last stockholders’ meeting? But the opposite policy of demanding Russia and China directly confront US imperialism would seem to be, balance long-term strategic goals vs. short-term tactical necessities in light of the real balance of forces? But if that was the case, then expecting American anti-imperialists to directly attack their own government seems to forget, as hard as it is to fight the American empire at the end of a thousand mile logistic chain, fighting it on its own home ground must be…easier? But I forget, the assumption is that there is no ruling class in America, just the rule of the common people, therefore all policies of the government are the will of the people. (And obviously any sudden changes are simply whims of rabble, rather than breakdowns in the old machinery of control?) If the only reason to listen to Americans is if they are running things, even if you call that making their own revolution, it’s not clear to me how this is distinguishable from only listening to people who matter. And people without power don’t even really count as people in this scheme of values? Posted by: steven t johnson | May 28 2025 16:25 utc | 243 sreven t johnson 243 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2025 17:20 utc | 244 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2025 17:20 utc | 244 I denied that “we” are objectively unable to live together, that instead it is the American ruling class that wants to conquer. So I’m not sure how this is relevant. Also, I think that objectively given the technological/economic nature of the modern world, we are all neighbors. But I don’t see how the date on the deed, so to speak, matters much. (Especially since not all people have formal title to an accepted nation.) Also I have been informed that everybody at MoA knows I am a professional Democrat troll with TDS. Didn’t you get the memo? Posted by: steven t johnson | May 28 2025 17:40 utc | 245 @steven t johnson
+1 for stevie from me.
Over on the OT I’ve tried to discuss a notion of God which does exactly that. It works by recognizing I and Thou are all His, while also being different (as being many is our/His nature); down here stricken/mixed into evil, which forces us to make compromises as best as we can. Mani, whose concept that is, taught peace, veganism and contemplation of beauty as spiritual practice, with the aim of resolving the suffering. Posted by: persiflo | May 28 2025 18:37 utc | 246 Europe seems to get ready to recognize a Palestinian state in June, thus the sudden ‘harsh’ comments towards Is Posted by: Tom | May 28 2025 19:13 utc | 247 Are really 6,000 UNRWA trucks waiting outside ? Posted by: teri | May 28 2025 19:31 utc | 248 see the photos of this young girl, and a short video of her, at the two links Posted by: michaelj72 | May 28 2025 20:44 utc | 249 see the photo at the third link Posted by: michaelj72 | May 28 2025 21:02 utc | 250 The stj troll has managed to argue that because Muslims believe in God and His commandments, the non-believers are justified in exterminating them. Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2025 21:28 utc | 251
I wrote this @245.
The only thing I can conclude is that believers do not consider non-believers their neighbors, therefore they may be slandered at will as planning to murder them. The next step is concluding that pro-active self-defense is justified. There may be some sort of neurotic projection, where the commenter’s secret desires are imagined to be in my comment? Posted by: steven t johnson | May 28 2025 21:44 utc | 252 UK Court Rules Police Raid on Journalist Asa Winstanley ‘Patently Unlawful’: Statement From Bindmans LLP Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 28 2025 21:52 utc | 253 see the 17-second video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | May 28 2025 22:01 utc | 254 Palestinians are being slaughtered because of Trump and Netanyahu’s total lack of morality and the world’s fear of confronting the hugely erratic and vengeful Trump. Posted by: D J G | May 28 2025 22:22 utc | 255 “Journalist Asa Winstanley wins Old Bailey ruling against unlawful police raid.” Posted by: saner | May 28 2025 22:27 utc | 256 251 Giyane. “because Muslims believe in God and His commandments, the non-believers (who post here believe they) are justified in exterminating them.” sreve t johnson Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2025 23:15 utc | 258 Leivija @ 257. The burning of children is by design. The tradition of Abraham continues. Posted by: Willow | May 28 2025 23:18 utc | 259 Lavieja 257 Posted by: Giyane | May 28 2025 23:25 utc | 260 The world doesn’t make the rules, God does. Posted by: saner | May 28 2025 23:33 utc | 261 Posted by: Lavieja | May 28 2025 22:54 utc | 257 On a personal note, I have to repeat, that is not what I wrote. And I firmly believe there is no honest and competent reading of what I wrote that can transform what I wrote into this. To be clear, I don’t recall you as ever saying anything remotely like that either. And I have an impression you are not pro-Trump either. Thus I see the response @260 to your comment as also deceitful.
At this point, it seems likely enough this is meant as a personal accusation, complete with the threat to send me to Hell. It is unclear whether this is an order from this commenter to God, Allah, or merely personal satisfaction. As the old joke has it, there must be a Hell, because it wouldn’t be Paradise, Heaven, without entertainment. Posted by: steven t johnson | May 29 2025 1:03 utc | 262 see the 19-second video and photo at the links Posted by: michaelj72 | May 29 2025 1:24 utc | 263 Canadian Doctors Returning From Gaza Hold A Press Conference in Ottawa Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 29 2025 2:08 utc | 264 @260 Giyane Posted by: Ornot | May 29 2025 2:36 utc | 265 see the 1:02 video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | May 29 2025 2:44 utc | 266 R2R: As Western ‘Leaders’ Fiddle – Gaza Burns Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 29 2025 3:05 utc | 267 Escobar reports a high level security meeting in Moscow involving Ru, Ir, NK and…UAE. what exactly are the best (financial) allies of Isr and South Sudan doing there? Any explanation? Posted by: Tom | May 29 2025 3:40 utc | 268 The Gospels are specific, that anybody who turns to God, Knock and the door will be opened. When somebody is aware that life doesn’t have to be like this, like this Zionist nihilism, like this Islamist nihilism, like this Capitalist or communist nihilism, and they cant get out the fly trap, that’s when you ask God . Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 4:38 utc | 269 MintPress News Posted by: Menz | May 29 2025 7:02 utc | 271 Afshin Rattansi Posted by: Menz | May 29 2025 7:03 utc | 272 Afshin Rattansi Posted by: Menz | May 29 2025 7:04 utc | 273 Here is another reason we cannot expect much from Russia regarding the Gaza horror: Posted by: gb_grave | May 29 2025 10:26 utc | 274 This post will help us understand Russia’s policies in West Asia (so called Middle East): Posted by: gb_grave | May 29 2025 10:48 utc | 275 gb_grave 274 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 10:51 utc | 276 276 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 13:35 utc | 277 re: #277 – I have posted Miko Peled’s work here before. And will again. Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 29 2025 14:30 utc | 278 Canada Starved Indigenous Children and is Now Failing To Prevent History From Repeating Itself in Gaza Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 29 2025 14:38 utc | 279 Some say History never repeats, I say those who claim it doesn’t just don’t know enough history:
I note with surprise that the German soldiers were actually kinder to the Poles of Warsaw than the israelis are to the Gazans. I didn’t expect my truism that Nazis are better than Zionists to transmute into an actual truth … Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 29 2025 14:48 utc | 280 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 10:51 utc | 276 Posted by: gb_grave | May 29 2025 14:49 utc | 281 Unfuckingbelievable. US “security forces” from the disgusting new food aid program threw stun grenades at Palestinians in line for food aid. Posted by: Mary | May 29 2025 14:53 utc | 282 Note – the IDF strategy of scorched earth and clearing away rubble might eventually be successful, since Al-Qassem relies on using rubble for cover when popping out of underground fortress. TBD Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 29 2025 15:01 utc | 283 Posted by: Mary | May 29 2025 14:53 utc | 282 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 29 2025 15:06 utc | 284 gb_grave 281 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 16:47 utc | 285 The Gospels are specific, that anybody who turns to God, Knock and the door will be opened. When somebody is aware that life doesn’t have to be like this, like this Zionist nihilism, like this Islamist nihilism, like this Capitalist or communist nihilism, and they cant get out the fly trap, that’s when you ask God . Posted by: saner | May 29 2025 16:57 utc | 286 286 – half the world actually believes that HTS is not USUKIS’ proxy but some kind of manifestation of Islamic Resistance. Posted by: Waldorf | May 29 2025 17:07 utc | 288 Giyane 287 Posted by: saner | May 29 2025 17:20 utc | 289 Waldorf 288 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 17:36 utc | 290 saner 289 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 17:40 utc | 291 no, it wasn’t a reply to anything of yours. I don’t read your comments . Posted by: saner | May 29 2025 17:55 utc | 292 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 17:40 utc | 291 Posted by: saner | May 29 2025 18:47 utc | 293 saner 293 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 20:01 utc | 294 If I am replying to somebody, I cite name and number. I wasn’t replying to you. Posted by: saner | May 29 2025 20:17 utc | 295 saner 295 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 21:33 utc | 296 Posted by: Giyane | May 29 2025 20:01 utc | 294 Posted by: saner | May 29 2025 21:51 utc | 297 |
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