Palestine Open Thread 2025-112

May 22, 2025

by Debs is Dead
lifted from a comment

Lately I've been avoiding reading about Palestine being genocided by zionists as I'm too old and too crook to get out & do anything about it and it seems words which ain't worth SFA are the only thing I can do now.

However today is too much. Lookit the silly fuss from every western fishwrap & googlebox about a pair of dead zionists on today, a day when Gaza health report the first official notice of five children dying of starvation, the zionist army shot at a bunch of western diplomats to chase them away from a spot where the zionists were indulging in the usual rape, torture and murder of Gaza civilians and that same army today announced the evacuation order for all people in Northern Gaza, in the region of more than 500,000 human beings being chased off their land – again.

In the light of that how can anyone see the dc shooting of a brace of zionist diplomats as anything other than a deliberate set-up by the entity's propaganda machine. Like I said up-thread the photo the zionists released of the two dead apologists for genocide just happened to be much more than a corporate portrait as it showed the pair arm-in-arm in a posed shot standing in front of the embassy logos; a seemingly ideal PR portrait of two photogenic young people, as if the picture takers knew they would need something sympathetic for zionism as for the past few days western fishwraps haven't been nice about zionists (they'll get over that now but), so this is a pic for the front page of every western fishwrap once these two are shot & killed.

The timing stinks far too much to be coincidental, just like the opportune appearance of the picture.

Even starmer had something 'anti-semitic' to say to media yesterday.

Hmm …

The Israel Embassy Shooter Manifesto – 900-word document cites Gaza as motive – Ken Klippenstein

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How broadly should we label people as complicit in genocide?
Posted by: LoveDonbass
examples :from Tokyo Trials 1946:

As leaders, organizers, instigators, or accomplices in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to wage wars of aggression, and war or wars in violation of international law

The case of civilian minister, Kōki Hirota, id illustrative bevause he was lukewarm against the War, yet found guilty. A case can be made against US and EU officials who support the IDF in various ways.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%8Dki_Hirota

Deliberately and recklessly disregarded their duty to take adequate steps to prevent atrocities

The 1945 War Crimes Trial of General Tomoyuki Yamashita is illustrative of the legal case of Command Responsibility. One could argue that US and EU officials who do not take adequate measures to stop IDF atrocities while suppling weapons can be held accountable under the Yamashita Standard.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/762369

Streicher was not a member of the military and did not take part in planning the Holocaust, or the invasion of other nations. Yet his actions during the war were significant enough, in the prosecutors’ judgment, to include him in the trial of Major War Criminals before the International Military Tribunal….
….Most of the evidence against Streicher came from his numerous speeches and articles over the years.In essence, prosecutors contended that Streicher’s articles and speeches were so incendiary that he was an accessory to murder, and therefore as culpable as those who actually ordered the mass extermination of Jews. They further argued that he kept up his antisemitic propaganda even after he was aware that Jews were being slaughtered.

Julius Streicher was found guilty of incitment to genocide for his journalism. There are plenty of journalists and publishers in the EU and US who might be held accountable under the Streicher precendent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher
Another example is the recent war crimes trial in Germany of a 90+ year old women. In 1944, she was a 18 year old civilian typist in a work camp. She was found guilty of war crimes a couple of year ago. This case is one of many examples of low level civilian clerical people who were tried and found guilty of wae crimes.
This means that a simple harbor shipping clerk or truck dispatcher can be held liable if he created bills of lading for weapons being sent to the IDF. It means the clerk in the US treasury department approving payment of those weapons shipments can alsi be held liable….75 years from 2025 !

Joint criminal enterprise (JCE) is a legal doctrine that has been used during war crimes tribunals to prosecute individuals in a group for the actions of said group. This doctrine considers each member of an organized group individually responsible for crimes committed by the group within its common plan or purpose.

The final precedence, Joint Criminal Enterprise, has perhaps the most far reaching effects. One xould argue that individuals such as Ron Lauder, institutions such a Columbia University, organizations such as Betar are all part of a Joint Criminal Enterprise.

Posted by: Exile | May 25 2025 8:29 utc | 401

Persecuted and genocided by the West, forsaken and sold out by Western propped up/puppet regimes.
“But Israel now has Al-Qaida on its border”
How Palestinians from Syria were driven out
The Agence France-Presse publication writes that leaders of Palestinian factions previously supported by the government of Bashar al-Assad were forced to surrender their weapons and leave Syria under pressure from the country’s new “authorities” and the United States.
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According to AFP, this happened after a meeting between Abu Muhammad al-Julani and the US President in Saudi Arabia: at it, Trump, among other things, demanded in exchange for the lifting of sanctions “to deport Palestinian terrorists”.
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And one can also recall the words of Al-Julani himself, that Syria will not become a springboard for attacks on Israel, and that in the absence of “Iranian militias” on the territory of the country, Israelis have nothing to fear.
🇲🇦|🇮🇱 Sayeret Golani — the very same unit responsible for the massacre of 15 paramedics, UN workers, and rescue personnel just two months ago in Rafah— is now in Agadir, Morocco.
Out of all the IDF units, Morocco chose to host them. Not only have they faced no consequences, but they’re being welcomed.
https://nitter.poast.org/ytirawi/status/1924499363293970480
🇲🇦|🇮🇱 Footage of Israel’s Golani & Marom brigade troops training hand in hand with Moroccan forces, operating Israeli-made Elbit robots, descending in Gaza-like tunnels. (May 18th)
https://nitter.poast.org/MenchOsint/status/1926353465418096776

Posted by: xor | May 25 2025 9:52 utc | 402

LoveDonbass
How broadly should we label people as complicit in genocide?
Educators who teach colonialism to children of diplomats, while treating other children who are interested in right and wrong, truth and justice, as unstable trouble makers, for one.
I went to Westminster School which wits next to Westminster Abbey and across the road from Parliament. My housemaster who taught history and politics, made me sit opposite him at lunch, where he never spoke and I never spoke.
I understand now for the first time after 55 years, that this teacher was teaching the politics of genocide to the children of diplomats whose little sprogs were conceived a mere five years after the Nazis had been defeated.
Little Nazis, Keep your heads down, play the game of International Law and justice, but never forget that politics has no father. Politics is a bastard. Use the powerful and their bankers, the US and the Jews, to reclaim your Empire.
Use politics, lying, pretence , deceit. Power comes from military force and if you don’t learn how to lie, you will never achieve your Imperial colonial inheritance.
As far as I’m concerned you can put teachers at the top of your list.

Posted by: Giyane | May 25 2025 10:25 utc | 403

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Nazi Israel and Nazi Ukraine will be
defeated and their USUKISEU creations of Daesh and Azov along with them.
As Brian Berletic rightly says, Trump is same old, same old US Imperialism, with the whole of Asia in the crosshairs of the insane ambitions. Now pretending butter wouldn’t melt in his bum, because he is now a non-intefering , Kacksonian, flower power peacenik.
My generation of British people, whose parents had succeeded in Pitting Germany against Russia and almost destroying both of them, then set about with renewed relish to conquer Asia via Israel.
At the top of LoveDonbass’ list of collaborators to be tried and encarcerated at the Hague, are MI5 and MI6 or whatever polite euphemism they are now known by.
This genocide has been 100 years in the planning , so a lot of dead collaborators among them.
Did they not dig up Cromwell and stick his decomposed head on a pole?
Free Free Palestine!

Posted by: Giyane | May 25 2025 12:49 utc | 404

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