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May 18, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-109

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“This is late in coming. Words are fantastic but at this point we need action…”
Albanese is a rare treasure. Brava!
Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 21 2025 11:19 utc | 100
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Albanese’s comment makes even more sense when the word “fantastic” is read with regard to the original meaning of its root rather than as a synonym for “good”.

Posted by: malenkov | May 21 2025 11:53 utc | 101

The Trial of Netanyahu
Part I, version 1.0
A rehearsal in writing:
Prosecutor: Israel had captured Hamas’ plan for an Oct 7th level event.
Hamas’ detailed plan included a section on how it would trick Israel into becoming complacent.
That is, making Israel believe Hamas had no interest in a large scale attack,
but rather was focused primarily on administering Gaza.
Why was the IDF unprepared and demonstrating lack of diligence on Oct 7th, 2023?
Witness: The consensus of the IDF intelligence services and the political administration
was that Hamas had appeared uninterested in a large scale attack.
Prosecutor: The IDF intelligence services and the political administration had become complacent?
Witness: Yes
Prosecutor: Hamas had misled Israel into complacency?
Witness: So it would seem.
Prosecutor: And the IDF intelligence services had shared Hamas’ plan
with the political administration. Why did they dismiss Hamas’ plan?
Witness: The Hamas Plan was dismissed because we assessed that they could not perform such
a large scale operation.
Prosecutor: In other words, they had become complacent and so they dismissed Hamas’ written
plan that told them Hamas would attempt to make them complacent. Is that correct?
Witness: The Hamas Plan was dismissed because we assessed that they could not perform such
a large scale operation.
Prosecutor: Creating complacency was beyond their capabilities?
Witness: No, I was referring to their attack capabilities.
Prosecutor: Answer the question. Was creating complacency beyond their capabilities?
Witness: Of course not, but the Hamas plan was dismissed in it’s entirety.
Prosecutor: Because of complacency on the part of the IDF intelligence services and the political administration?
Witness: They believed Hamas’ attack capabilities were insufficient for carrying out
such a large scale attack.
Prosecutor:…and they had been tricked into complacency.
Witness: This is going in circles. Let me rephrase this. The IDF intelligence services and the political administration knew Hamas’ was attempting to trick Israel into complacency,
but they dismissed that intelligence information as they deemed Hamas’ Plan, taken in it’s
entirety, was beyond their capabilities.
Prosecutor: (Hands Witness a print out) Read to the court what the Times of Israel
published on March 5, 2021, in the paragraphs I have marked.
Witness: “Meanwhile, according to Kan News, Israel’s security establishment assesses Hamas is currently taking advantage of the relative calm to train for future conflict with Israel and procure more advanced weapons.”
Prosecutor: Continue further…
Witness: “A senior Israeli military commander said in February that, according to IDF estimates, Hamas has replenished its arsenal since a 2014 war with Israel and now has a vast stock of rockets, guided missiles, and drones.
It also has acquired dozens of unmanned aerial vehicles and has an army of some 30,000 fighters, including 400 naval commandos who have received sophisticated training and equipment to carry out seaborne operations, the commander added. He spoke on condition of anonymity under military guidelines.”
Prosecutor: Do you take exception to these 2021 IDF estimates?
Witness: No
Prosecutor: You have just testified that the IDF intelligence services and the political administration believed Hamas’ attack capabilities were insufficient for carrying out
a large scale attack such as we saw on October 7th, 2023. Is “30,000 fighters, and a vast stock of rockets, guided missiles, and drones” insufficient for a large scale attack?
Witness: No
Prosecutor: Would Hamas’ attack resources be more in October 2023 than in 2021?
Witness: More…(flustered) but everyone believed that Hamas was more interested in administering Gaza.
Prosecutor: You just reversed yourself. It was a Hamas trick to make everyone complacent, and everyone knew it was a trick. Everyone knew it was a trick.
How can Hamas trick the political administration if they knew that Hamas was trying to trick them? Who was trying to trick whom?
Who was trying to trick whom?
Was the Netanyahu administration trying to convince Hamas that the IDF was indeed complacent? Was that the real trick?
Did they want Hamas to go forward with their plans to increase their attack resources;
did they want Hamas to train and train and train, AND I might add, right under the noses of the IDF,
so that Hamas would break through the Gaza Wall?
Did the IDF plan to ambush Hamas as it came through the Gaza Wall? This seems to me
the most useful of strategies.
Or did the political administration make a calculation that the more Israeli casualties
on October 7th, the greater the justification for a counter-attack upon Gaza?
Defense: I object. Does the prosecutor have a question, this is a speech.
Judge: The prosecution is advised to wait until their summation. Ask a specific question of the Witness.
Prosecutor: The border observers at the Gaza Wall were unarmed on October 7th.
Is this correct?
Witness: Yes
Prosecutor: Why were they unarmed?
Witness: No one seems to know.
Prosecutor: The border observers were warning their own families that an invasion was imminent,
for weeks and months they were reporting to the IDF intelligence services that unusual training was taking place right up against the Gaza Wall. What did the IDF intelligence services do with this information?
Witness: PM Netanyahu has said that he was told by his son that the border observations were not being entered into a database as they should have been. And therefore unavailable to the intelligence services.
Prosecutor: And this seems credible to you?
Witness: There has been further investigation into this matter, but at this time I am only aware of what the Prime Minister has said about it.
Prosecutor: The border observers, who were stationed right up near the Gaza Wall, were unarmed and the intelligence they gathered was not used or lost.
On October 7th, the highest echelon of the IDF staff were called into an emergency meeting in the very early morning hours of October 7th because of significant “Red Flag” information in Gaza. Were the border observers warned the morning of October 7th or put on alert?
Witness: Not that I am aware of.
Prosecutor: Did the political administration make a calculation that the more Israeli casualties on October 7th, the greater the justification for a counter-attack upon Gaza?
Witness: That is a horrid accusation and cannot be true. No!
Prosecutor: The border observers were stationed right up near the Gaza Wall and were unarmed for reasons unknown and they did not get sufficient – or any – warning the morning of Oct 7th?
Witness: …yes…I believe that is correct.
Prosecutor: Did Netanyahu do anything in the days leading up to October 7th to intentionally
provoke the Palestinians? And thus mandate that the IDF put their forces on heightened alert?
Witness: Palestinians are always acting provoked.
Prosecutor: The Palestinians knew that Netanyahu’s Abraham Accords promise not to annex any more of the West Bank before 2024 was about to lapse. Netanyahu in a UN speech before the world showed Palestine wiped from the map. This UN speech was held nine days before Israeli settlers invaded and defiled the al Aqsa Mosque. They did this on October 1st. They did this on October 2nd. They did this on October 3rd, and 4th and 5th.
Was there good cause for the IDF to be on heightened alert on October 7th?
Witness: Certainly
Prosecutor: On October 3rd or 4th, while Palestinians were inflamed about the defilement of al Aqsa Mosque, the infamous Rave Party was relocated to a location 5 km (3 miles) from the Gaza Wall. The officer in charge of approving such events had said, “No, it is too great of a security risk”. But IDF Division HQ, in an unusual move, inserted themselves into the decision making process and told the officer in charge to change his decision to a “Yes”.
Defense: Object, does the Prosecution have a question here?
Prosecutor: Your honor, I am asking the Witness whether he agrees with the known facts.
Judge: No speeches, ask a question.
Prosecutor: Did Hamas state in their detailed Plan that they would choose the Sabbath or a Jewish holiday for an attack?
Witness: Yes.
Prosecutor: Hamas’ reasoning was that large numbers of IDF would be on leave on either of those days, is this not correct?
Witness: It is correct.
Prosecutor: October 7th was BOTH of these, the Sabbath and a Jewish holiday. Were special arrangements made by the IDF to reinforce the Gaza sector during this time?
Witness: No, however, 100 commandos were moved to the West Bank as a precaution.
Prosecutor: Where did these commandos come from?
Witness: The Gaza sector.
Prosecutor: What is your estimate of how much of the IDF Gaza sector was on leave on October 7th?
Witness: 50%

Posted by: Otto Penn | May 21 2025 15:46 utc | 102

@Posted by: Otto Penn | May 21 2025 15:46 utc | 102
Towards the end, immediately after the Judges states:

Judge: No speeches, ask a question.

Insert the following

Prosecutor: Hamas’ detailed Plan gave the Re’im military base as the prime target.
Would the chosen location for the Rave Party be on Hamas’ path to the Re’im base?
Witness: Yes
Prosecutor: To take the highway from the Gaza Wall to the Re’im military base Hamas
would have to first pass by the Rave Party location?
Witness: Yes

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The Trial of Netanyahu
Part I, version 1.1
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Otto Penn formerly posting as librul

Posted by: Otto Penn | May 21 2025 16:15 utc | 103

The USA, is truly the Great Satan – and the likes of Gaddafi called Israel the Little Satan, apt I think.
“The US special envoy on Israeli captives has defended the Israeli genocide in Gaza as a demonstration of strength, which he said is needed to release the captives held by Palestinian resistance fighters.
Speaking to Fox News Sunday, Adam Boehler said, “All Palestinians need this barrage to stop,” but it’s “through that toughness and through that strength that we’re going to see the hostages released.”
Hamas’s release of American-Israeli soldier Edan Alexander was a “sign” that the group “understands” it must release Israeli captives “if they want this barrage of attacks to stop,” he further said.
On Friday, a senior Hamas official said that US special envoy Steve Witkoff personally assured the Palestinian resistance group that the US would pressure Israel to end the Gaza blockade and permit humanitarian access within two days of freeing Alexander.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 21 2025 18:18 utc | 104

First we had the English monster and PM Starmer and his is just as vile Foreign Secretary David Lammy jump on the talk down Israel bandwagon – so as not to find themselves in the dock at the Hague one day – hint, if Bush and Blair didn’t find themselves in the Hague neither will any of these evil b*strds.
Now the EU bigwig monsters, are going down the cover my back route as well.
“The European Union has taken a first formal step towards reassessing its political and economic relationship with the Israeli regime amid Tel Aviv’s ongoing war of genocide on the Gaza Strip and its near-total restriction of humanitarian aid into the Palestinian territory.
At a high-level meeting in Brussels on Tuesday, EU foreign ministers discussed the ongoing crisis in Gaza.
The bloc’s foreign affairs chief Kaja Kallas then confirmed that the European Commission would begin examining the so-called “Association Agreement” that governs bilateral relations between the union and the regime.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 21 2025 18:23 utc | 105

Saudi royal family are descendants of Jews who fought Muhammad – Iranian general
The commander of Iran’s navy said in a speech on January 7 that the modern-day Saudi Arabian royal family are descendants of Jews who fought early Muslim tribes.
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
JANUARY 15, 2022 10:58
Updated: JANUARY 15, 2022 18:16
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-692595

Posted by: Paul from Norway | May 21 2025 20:16 utc | 106

@KneeCap fans
Kneecap member Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh charged with terrorism offence in UK
Performer who goes by stage name ‘Mo Chara’ charged in relation to displaying flag in support of Hizbullah
A member of the Belfast rap trio Kneecap has been charged with a terrorism offence.
Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh, who performs under the stage name Mo Chara, has been charged by the Metropolitan Police with displaying a flag in support of Hizbullah – an illegal organisation in the UK – at a gig in London last November.
In a statement on Wednesday evening, the force said the 27-year-old, from Belfast, had been charged via postal requisition following a counter-terrorism investigation.
[…[ The Met Police said Mr Ó hAnnaidh is accused of displaying a flag at the O2 Forum in Kentish Town, North London, on November 21st, 2024, “in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a supporter of a proscribed organisation”.
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/uk/2025/05/21/kneecap-member-liam-og-o-hannaidh-charged-with-terrorism-offence-in-uk/

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 22 2025 1:57 utc | 107

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 22 2025 1:57 utc | 107
God bless the Irish.
Probably the last White folk with courage and morals.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 22 2025 2:52 utc | 108

Two Israeli Embassy Staff ‘Senselessly Killed’ Outside Jewish Museum – DHS
https://www.rt.com/news/617984-israel-embassy-shooting-washington/
“US authorities investigate fatal shooting near American Jewish Committee event in Washington DC…”
‘Chickens come home to roost.’ – Malcom X

Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 22 2025 4:50 utc | 109

Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 22 2025 4:50 utc | 109
Unfortunately those 2 will be mourned far and wide 24/7 ad nauseam by the MSM, and used to justify the genocide in Palestine, while the 100 a day in Gaza will continue to be ignored.

Posted by: Vortex | May 22 2025 12:03 utc | 110

Netanyahu press conference yesterday, at which he announced that the Israelis have killed Mohhamed Sinwar.
Hamas has not confirmed it so far.
Bits and pieces from Palestinian sources:
Netanyahu: W‘e will stop the war on the condition that Gaza is demilitarized, Hamas leaders are exiled, and the Trump plan is implemented.
‘Our operations in Lebanon led to the downfall of Assad in Syria and the destruction of his army.
If there is a possibility of a ceasefire to return the kidnapped soldiers, we are prepared, but it will be temporary.
from – Here is the truth, gazanewsnow
Netanyahu: Trump’s plan is genius…and could help change the face of the Middle East
We are on the cusp of a great victory, and I have not specified in days or hours how long it will take.
Trump told me about ten days ago: “Bibi, I want you to know that I am fully committed to you and to the State of Israel.
Our forces continue to control more areas in Gaza. By the end of the operation, all areas of the Strip will be under Israeli security control.
Netanyahu: I am prepared to end the war on conditions that guarantee Israel’s security.
Netanyahu | For the war to end, Hamas’s weapons must be surrendered and its leaders must leave the Gaza Strip.
Netanyahu | Hamas is the one killing children, not the most moral army in the world.
Netanyahu : The kidnapped soldiers cannot be returned without military and political pressure.
Netanyahu on the Houthis in Yemen: “We haven’t said our final word yet.”
Netanyahu: Regarding Iran, we are in full coordination with the United States, and we hope to reach an agreement that prevents Iran from possessing the ability to enrich uranium. Israel reserves the right to defend itself against a regime that seeks its destruction.
Netanyahu | We may have eliminated Mohammed Sinwar…
Netanyahu: The war has a clear and justified goal: to defeat Hamas, recover our abductees, and ensure that Gaza no longer poses a threat to Israel.
Netanyahu: “There are definitely 20 kidnapped people still alive.”
Netanyahu : We are committed to achieving all the goals of the war in Gaza, and the work is not over yet.

Posted by: JB | May 22 2025 12:10 utc | 111

Posted by: Paul from Norway | May 21 2025 20:16 utc | 106
Jews and Arabs are both Semites so it isn’t news that a Semite tribes with different religious ideas fought each other-I don’t really get your point-what am I missing?

Posted by: canuck | May 22 2025 12:28 utc | 112

Posted by: canuck | May 22 2025 12:28 utc | 112
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His point, I believe, is that Sauds are Jews.
The history of Jewish betrayal of the Prophet SAW is well documented.
That coincides with the persistent betrayal of the Ummah.
The House of Saud are the sort now that would try to kill Isa (SA) if he was to return. An army of the Dajjal.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 22 2025 14:22 utc | 113

The only relevant news is from Palestine and about Palestine.
It is very alarming, because we are entering the final days of Gaza and the West Bank, and everyone is pretending that they do not see it.
Netanyahu has now stated it directly and clearly and all actions on the ground are consistent with the US/Israel final push to totally level Gaza and expel the people from Gaza.
Israel will expand on the entire territory of historic Palestine. The new Middle East.
The world ruling class will accept this fait accompli. They can’t wait.

Posted by: JB | May 22 2025 16:03 utc | 114

Netanyahu’s office:
Prime Minister Netanyahu spoke with President Donald Trump today and discussed the war in Gaza. Trump expressed support for all of Netanyahu’s goals and agreed on the need to ensure that Iran does not acquire a nuclear weapon..
Trump expressed support for securing the release of all hostages and eliminating Hamas.
Netanyahu:
“Free Palestine” is a new Nazi slogan.
Hamas’s supporters want to empower it to destroy Israel
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/hamzahammad94?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Posted by: JB | May 22 2025 17:18 utc | 115