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Tankies can only imagine a world in which NATO acts and Putin reacts. But they can’t envision a world in which Putin acts and NATO reacts. For a tankie, Russia is infantilized and Putin has no free will: his actions are purely determined in reaction to what NATO does. The actions of NATO, however, are treated as a free, independent variable that determines Putin’s actions, but never the other way around.
For example, they often claim that NATO expansion caused or provoked Putin into invading Ukraine. That is possibly true, it is indeed likely that if NATO didn’t expand so much, Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine. But the reverse is also true: just like NATO expansion caused Putin to be imperialist, so did Putin’s imperialism provoke NATO into expanding. They are in a dialectical relation to each other. The claim that Putin was provoked into a corner into taking Ukraine hostage in order to negotiate better conditions for Russia’s security against NATO can be completed with the claim that NATO was provoked into a corner into expanding by Putin’s invasions and imperialist ambitions. Can we really blame countries like Ukraine for wanting to join NATO in order to be protected against Russia, despite NATO’s imperialist projects in Kosovo, Lybia and Afghanistan?
Neither NATO nor Russia are agencies without free will. NATO expansion increased the probability that Russia might invade Ukraine, but Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine was nevertheless a choice. And Putin’s imperialist ambitions in Crimea, Georgia, Chechnya (and now, the full-blown invasion of Ukraine) may have increased the likelihood that NATO would expand faster and further, but again, this was a choice. Putin could have chosen not to invade Ukraine and NATO could have chosen not to expand.
By focusing the causal chain in only one direction, campist MLs forget the very core of dialectical materialism. Despite common belief, dialectical materialism is not a determinist theory or framework. It does not deny the agency or free will of actors involved. Instead, it explains how history is moved by contradictions in the social order. The contradiction between NATO and Russia is the driving motor of geopolitical history at the moment, because Putin wouldn’t have existed without NATO and NATO wouldn’t have expanded without people like Putin. This doesn’t mean that the two imperialisms are ‘equivalent’, since NATO imperialism and Russian imperialism has different forms. NATO is an alliance of mostly liberal-democratic states which is used as a force of US hegemony all around the globe. Russia is a quasi-fascist dictatorship who outright denies the legitimacy to exist of other countries but only around its border.
Recognizing mutual causality should not lead to flattening differences. Dialectics is not symmetry.

Posted by: Lastrevio | May 19 2025 1:43 utc | 201

just like NATO expansion caused Putin to be imperialist, so did Putin’s imperialism provoke NATO into expanding.
Posted by: Lastrevio | May 19 2025 1:43 utc | 201
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I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 19 2025 1:50 utc | 202

Russia basically agreed to turn itself into a vassal state between 1991 to 2008 and what they got in return was for Nato to swallow almost the whole warzaw pact. By 2022 Putin didnt have a lot left to lose, the country was already under heavy sanctions and Finland and Sweden were basically Nato states in all but name.

Posted by: Sigolon | May 19 2025 8:03 utc | 203

Putin. Putin. Putin.
It’s not just Putin. It’s the ENTIRETY of the Russian oligarchic class, state aparatchic and military bureacracy that was 100% against NATO expansion into Ukraine. We know this because of the William Burns Condoleeza Rice memo that was released by Julian Assange that Burns sent when he was US ambassador to Russia.
There was ZERO ambiguity regarding that fact. Even the most liberal leaning anti-Putin moderate Russian oligarchs were 100% against NATO into Ukraine and worried greatly that such a move by NATO would stregthen Putin not weaken him.
So all this dielectic materialist conversation is a bunch of nonsense.
The US bullied NATO into a de-facto cooption of Ukraine as a proxy member and they 100% provoked Russia in doing so and they got cocky.
To say otherwise is a lie.
Now is the Russian invasion justified? No. There were other ways. But to Russia elites — not just Putin — NATO into Ukraine is an existential issue to them.
This war was provoked by neocon idealogues in the US, and NATO.
That is the objective material truth.

Posted by: True Sock | May 19 2025 8:54 utc | 204

Well there you have it – even though the eventual winner was miles behind in the polls somehow he won – of course he’s pro-EU, pro-Neo-Nazi and pro-Zio-Nazi Romanian democracy id dead as the Dodo. Romanians need to rise up in a revolution.
“On Sunday, pro-EU centrist Nicusor Dan was elected president of Romania, defeating conservative and Euroskeptic rival George Simion, who has accused France and Moldova of attempting to undermine his campaign.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 19 2025 13:22 utc | 205

No doubt the pro-EU candidate will win – as happened in Romania, with a lot of cheating involved.
“Poland’s presidential election is set for a runoff, with Rafal Trzaskowski narrowly leading rival Karol Nawrocki in the first round of Sunday’s vote, according to exit polls.
Right-wing candidates collectively secured a majority in the first round, signaling a potential shift in the nation’s political landscape.
According to an Ipsos exit poll, Warsaw Mayor Trzaskowski, representing the pro-European Civic Coalition, led with 31.1% of the vote.
Conservative historian Karol Nawrocki, backed by the Law and Justice (PiS) party, followed closely with 29.7%.
Right-wing candidates Slawomir Mentzen and Grzegorz Braun garnered 15.4% and 6.2% respectively, bringing the total right-leaning vote share to around 51.3%.
Mentzen, the leader of the right-wing New Hope party, is known for his criticism of the EU, opposition to immigration, and support for low taxes and limited government intervention. His platform emphasizes national sovereignty and conservative social values.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 19 2025 13:31 utc | 206

Trump: Canada Has Asked To Join Missile-Defence Program*
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-us-missile-defence-canada-1.7539390
“Donald Trump says Canada has asked to join the missile-defence program his administration is building, adding a new chapter to a long-running cross-border saga.
The US president dropped that news in the Oval Office on Tuesday as he unveiled the initial plans for a three-year, $175 billion [Other reports suggest a +$500 billion price for this proposed boondoggle is more accurate] US project to build a multi-purpose missile-shield he’s calling the Golden Dome.
‘Canada has called us and they want to be part of it.’ Canada will pay its ‘fair share’ he added.’We’ll work with them on pricing.’ There was no immediate comment from Ottawa…
* Because: ‘Donald Trump wants to break us so America can own us.’ – Carney.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 20 2025 22:03 utc | 207