In Saudi Arabia Trump Rejects Interventionism, Regime-Change Schemes
Foreign policy statements by the Trump administration continue to surprise.
At the end of January Secretary of State Marco Rubio made remarks that strongly diverged from decades of U.S. policy. He did away with 'unipolarity' - the assumed leading role of the U.S. in global policy - and acknowledged and endorsed a multi-polar world.
He set a limit to U.S. intervention by acknowledging the legitimate interests of others:
The way the world has always worked is that the Chinese will do what’s in the best interests of China, the Russians will do what’s in the best interest of Russia, the Chileans are going to do what’s in the best interest of Chile, and the United States needs to do what’s in the best interest of the United States. Where our interests align, that’s where you have partnerships and alliances; where our differences are not aligned, that is where the job of diplomacy is to prevent conflict while still furthering our national interests and understanding they’re going to further theirs. And that’s been lost.
Rubio wants to reintroduce that concept:
And I think that was lost at the end of the Cold War, because we were the only power in the world, and so we assumed this responsibility of sort of becoming the global government in many cases, trying to solve every problem. And there are terrible things happening in the world. There are. And then there are things that are terrible that impact our national interest directly, and we need to prioritize those again. So it’s not normal for the world to simply have a unipolar power. That was not – that was an anomaly. It was a product of the end of the Cold War, but eventually you were going to reach back to a point where you had a multipolar world, multi-great powers in different parts of the planet. We face that now with China and to some extent Russia, and then you have rogue states like Iran and North Korea you have to deal with.
That was a great (if very late), and astonishing insight from the U.S. secretary responsible for foreign policy. Especially from one who had been previously affiliated with the neo-conservative movement.
President Trump is currently visiting the Arab states along the Persian Gulf. His main effort there is to collect tribute in from of weapon and investment deals given in exchange for 'security'. In that he is continuing the protection racket that has been a main aspect of U.S. global policy since the end of World War II.
But during a speech (video) at the Saudi-U.S.investment forum, he also entered new territory. He took fifteen minutes to laud his host and to rumble about his own 'achievements'. He lauded the crown price Mohammad bin Salman and other Gulf rulers to then jump, twenty minutes in, into a critique of previous(?) U.S. 'regime change' behavior.
The White House does not provide a transcript of the 50 minute long speech, only short excerpts. But a full transcript is available here.
Here are the excerpts that point to new policies:
Before our eyes, a new generation of leaders is transcending the ancient conflicts of tired divisions of the past and forging a future where the Middle East is defined by commerce, not chaos, where it exports technology, not terrorism, and where people of different nations, religions, and creeds are building cities together, not bombing each other out of existence. We don’t want that.(Applause)
And it’s crucial for the wider world to note this great transformation has not come from Western interventionists or flying people in beautiful planes giving you lectures on how to live and how to govern your own affairs. No, the gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called nation-builders, neocons, or liberal nonprofits like those who spent trillions and trillions of dollars failing to develop Kabul, Baghdad, so many other cities. Instead, the birth of a modern Middle East has been brought by the people of the region themselves, the people that are right here, the people that have lived here all their lives, developing your own sovereign countries, pursuing your own unique visions, and charting your own destinies in your own way. It’s really incredible what you’ve done.
In the end, the so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves. They told you how to do it, but they had no idea how to do it themselves. Peace, prosperity, and progress ultimately came not from a radical rejection of your heritage, but rather from embracing your national traditions and embracing that same heritage that you love so dearly.
(Applause)
And it’s something only you could do. You achieved a modern miracle the Arabian way. That’s a good way.
(Applause)
Trump goes on to touch on other Middle East countries (except mostly Israel). He lambasts Biden and Iran to then over a (undefined) deal with it.
At some point he is returning to the intervention theme:
As President of the United States, my preference will always be for peace and partnership whenever those outcomes can be achieved. Always. It’s always going to be that way. Only a fool would think otherwise. In recent years, far too many American presidents have been afflicted with the notion that it’s our job to look into the souls of foreign leaders and use U.S. policy to dispense justice for their sins. They loved using our very powerful military, ...
...
I believe it is God’s job to sit in judgment, my job to defend America, and to promote the fundamental interests of stability, prosperity, and peace. That’s what I really want to do.
The rest of the whole speech is typical Trump. There is a lot of bluster, a lot of self-praise and tons of hypocrisy.
But the parts I have excerpted above are new. They, together with the previous remarks by Rubio, point to very different policy than any other recent president has pursued.
The speech excerpts published by the White House are nearly the same than those I have quoted above. It clearly wants to give them extra importance by promoting them apart from the rest of the speech. Who wrote the speech and who in the White House was in favor of these wording?
Will Trump act along the lines described in the speech? Or will he fall back into for the usual trot of an interventionist U.S. foreign policy seeking regime change left and right?
Posted by b on May 14, 2025 at 14:37 UTC | Permalink
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Posted by: Duncan Kinder | May 14 2025 14:47 utc | 2
I have been impressed by Rubio's intelligence. And by that, I don't mean his policy views, per se. But just IQ (processing power) as well as memory and content knowledge. (Similar to Vance.)
The Republicans and especially the MAGA ones have a bad habit of running with fluffheads (the AG is a good example.) But Rubio has a brain.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 14 2025 14:50 utc | 3
If Trump wants to prove his sincerity he can stop the "Israeli" genocide of Palestinians.
Right now.
The rest of us (everybody) should not be waiting, we must do whatever we can. Talk, protest, inform, resist and fight in whatever way is possible for you. Distribute knowledge, messages, appeals, and suggestions in any way you can and anywhere you can. Organize, cooperate, popularize. Remind people.
Oceans are made of drops of water.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 14 2025 14:51 utc | 4
I do hope his actions back up his word. Regime changes imposed on other countries have seldom worked out well for the countries involved. But, if he is going to truly pursue nonintervention and a multi-polar world, he better step up the purges of the old guard members of the intelligence community and state department. If they feel truly threatened, things can go very bad.
Posted by: Matt | May 14 2025 14:52 utc | 5
Trump is congratulating the Wahabbists.
Peace, prosperity parity, whatever for the Sunni, while he going to Yemen the Shi’a in Iran and Iraq.
He is late selling them a missile shield so successful in Kiev and the Red Sea.
Taking credit for mujaheddeen success since 1980’s.
FDR did this during WW II
Posted by: paddy | May 14 2025 14:57 utc | 6
Good Morning barflies! Some of us are just starting our days.
Thanks for the posting b.
I don't believe anything Trump says, or Rubio for that matter.
I will believe in a multipolar/multi-nodal world when the God Of Mammon cult of global private finance no longer exists.....and not before.
Trump is a crypto Trojan Horse and playing a role to keep private finance owners in control of our world. I am sure he has been promised crypto billions, if not trillions to feed his ego.
If Trump was really standing up to financial hegemony he would be dead by now. He is a trained Hollywood man-child fronting the end of empire and it is almost fun to watch. People trying to characterize Trump as having Pope Bob support for the poor and downtrodden are delusional, IMO. He is an exceptionalist through and through and fronts for the centuries old cult of exceptional acting finance owners of our world.
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2025 14:59 utc | 8
Yes indeed too scents. And he's now holding hands with the head chopper in chief from "Syria" in company with the snake Erdogan. So the question is: Who's the pimp?
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | May 14 2025 15:00 utc | 9
I thought he read from the teleprompter unenthusiastically, without his usual skillful affectations of sincerity. If this were really the debut of such an epoch making shift, you'd think he would have tried harder.
Posted by: bassplayer | May 14 2025 15:04 utc | 10
Let's have a look at US-China trade war to get some feeling. One day Scott Bessent plays a good cop and makes reasonable temporary deal and today US Dept of Commerce (bad cop Lutnick) bans sales of Huawei's new chip outside China.
Let's wait a year to see how things turn out. My guess - optimists will be disappointed.
Posted by: J_Schneider | May 14 2025 15:09 utc | 12
Posted by: J_Schneider | May 14 2025 15:09 utc | 12
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They aren't genuinely optimistic. They are magical thinkers.
They buy lottery tickets as the monthly mortgage payment is coming due, rather than cutting spending and working overtime.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 15:15 utc | 14
Trump behaved as a preacher for the Church of positive thinking. To idiots it means look! God loves them: they got oil and money! No ref to being licking UK and US a...es for decades.
Posted by: Tom | May 14 2025 15:18 utc | 15
Trump behaved as a preacher for the Church of positive thinking. To idiots it means look! God loves them: they got oil and money! No ref to being licking UK and US a...es for decades.
Posted by: Tom | May 14 2025 15:19 utc | 16
Talk is cheap and the military buildup in the "Indo-Pacific" continues apace with more contracts being awarded the last two GFQs than all of last year.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 14 2025 15:29 utc | 18
And I think that was lost at the end of the Cold War, because we were the only power in the world, and so we assumed this responsibility of sort of becoming the global government in many cases, trying to solve every problem. And there are terrible things happening in the world.And most of the terrible things happening were initiated by you, the US. Examples include Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and Yemen to name just a few from the top of my head.
and then you have rogue states like Iran and North Korea you have to deal with.No you don't. Both of them compare favorably to the rogue United States.
Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2025 15:29 utc | 19
See: Guam, RAAFB Darwin, Diego Garcia and Philippines.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 14 2025 15:30 utc | 20
Maybe Trump is not so much a whore as he is a pimp?
Boeing Wins Largest-Ever Order as Qatar Buys Long-Range JetsBoeing Co. won the single biggest deal in the US planemaker’s history, with Qatar Airways placing an order for at least 160 widebody aircraft during a visit to Doha by US President Donald Trump.
The agreement was signed by the carrier amid a flurry of deals between Gulf nations and the US during the president’s visit to the region. Neither side provided a breakdown of the order book, but Bloomberg News previously reported that Qatar is mainly interested in Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner model.
Bada-bing, Bada-boom ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-14/boeing-wins-largest-ever-order-from-qatar-airways-trump-says?
Posted by: too scents | May 14 2025 15:32 utc | 21
Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2025 15:29 utc | 19
Bingo. Trump wants to disengage from the shit show in the Middle East (i.e., Gaza genocide and potential war with Iran) to focus on the remaining members of the "Axis of Evil" - I still predict that the Zionists will stage a false flag between now and Nov/Dec to really test his resolve.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 14 2025 15:32 utc | 22
...the gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called nation-builders, neocons, or liberal nonprofits like those who spent trillions and trillions of dollars failing to develop Kabul, Baghdad, so many other cities......the so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves.I think claiming that some evil liberals were trying to build nations out of sheer arrogance falsifies what was being done. Imperialists were trying to take control, for benefits to their empire, if not themselves personally. Cheap shots like this made to a bunch of billionaires who supported intervention in Kuwait and stand by while Trump intensifies support for the Zionist project is not anti-imperialist in my view. Praising the wonders of Riyadh after bombing Yemen?...far too many American presidents have been afflicted with the notion that it’s our job to look into the souls of foreign leaders and use U.S. policy to dispense justice for their sins.Once again, the idea that interventions were motivated by noble aims takes propaganda as truth. For an American president to declare, we're not going to do the world favors any more, lies about what they were doing before.I believe it is God’s job to sit in judgment, my job to defend America, and to promote the fundamental interests of stability, prosperity, and peace.Since America is not being attacked, this is more a threat than a concession. Worse, stability does not mean retrenchment of the empire, not even closing down the worldwide chain of US military bases. Prosperity means American prosperity and such useful partners as the oil dynasties of the Kingdom and the UAE et al. And peace means the negotiated surrender. The attacks on liberals in this context means I think Trump means America will make more profit from its empire, apparently because he thinks America is owed.Being against foreign wars because you've deluded yourself into thinking Americans have been doing charity work motivated by moral idealism, rather than profit, in my judgment is not anti-imperialism at all. It's doubling down. It's saying, no more Mr. Nice Guy. The contempt for the meaningless pretty phrases is not contempt for the reality it hid, it's merely contempt for justice. I don't think it's an accident that Biden gets blasted for Middle Eastern wars he didn't start. (He continued them, just like Trump.) That's because it's fundamentally partisan. I gather Trump has eased sanctions on Syria. How is that respecting Arab initiative, given the role of the US, the Zionist enterprise and Turkiye in bringing them to power?
Posted by: steven t johnson | May 14 2025 15:33 utc | 23
And I thought Reagan had pushed hypocrisy to new heights, only to see every President since then push the envelope further.
Everything Trump avers is a complete lie: he is going to shake the hand of a terrorist present when a boy begged to be shot instead of having his head sawn off. The people of the region?
There are myriad communities that have survived all these alleged centuries-old divisions and hatred, only to be extinguished during America's period as global "policeman".
Posted by: Webej | May 14 2025 15:34 utc | 24
Trump wants peace so that he can advance his agenda of being the lead developer to Greater Israel.
It has nothing to do with justice or law.
We project onto what is happening what our sense of morality wants to see.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 15:47 utc | 25
Trump wants peace so that he can advance his agenda of being the lead developer to Greater Israel.
It has nothing to do with justice or law.
We project onto what is happening what our sense of morality wants to see.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 15:47 utc | 26
Norwegian | May 14 2025 15:29 utc | 19--
Thanks for the proper pushback of the Empire of Lies.
Meanwhile, the green goblin has said his edict doesn't apply to him. Ryabkov's latest attests Russia's position remains as it's been since last year and there's no moving it; meaning for talks to be serious they must acknowledge that reality. If not, the discourse will be very short.
DJT Trump-’splained to the Saudis: “In the end, the so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies that they themselves didn’t understand. They told you how to do it, but they had no idea how to do it themselves."
Regardless of the lofty rhetoric following a Purple Carpet welcome to Riyadh, DJT finds himself mired in an interventionist morass in Ukraine, for instance, partly of his own making—-think: Javelins.
When the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing hypocrisy hardly matters.
DJT's words in his Riyadh speech---
“Peace, prosperity and progress ultimately came not from a radical rejection of your heritage but rather from embracing your national traditions and embracing that same heritage you love so dearly”
----might reasonably have been said to Russian ethnic Ukrainian citizens of Donbass (and other cities in Ukraine which ethnic Russians call home) who sought to preserve their heritage/culture from the neo-Nazis destroying it.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 14 2025 15:53 utc | 28
This is what I commented a few hours ago on Palestine Open Thread after Menz brought this little 'speech' to our attention ....
Not a single mention of Palestine or Palestinians let alone Gaza or the West Bank during past 2 days in Riyadh.
Following the trillion dollar shakedown - elevation of Al Queda/HTS to the community of nations by the US President - egged on key Al Queda backed - KSA - whose subjects allegedly took down the twin towers ... and onwards to a Trump Tower in Damascus to add to the dozen or so already in West Asia - making the 'family' even greater and wealthier ...
A nauseating spectacle ....
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 14 2025 10:50 utc | 193
I then commented to JB
See what they do - not what they say.
# Rubio simply addressed reality - Trump is about the 'family business' ... and his dream of 'That Peace Prize' ...
I'll wait and observe their Actions.
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 14 2025 15:54 utc | 29
Several above used the phrase "talk is cheap." I agree. Trump's entire politcal career has had him saying things that are genuinely shocking, often good, and then continuing the same old ways with different rhetoric, or in the case of the tariff disaster doing something new but incoherent.
A fair reading of Rubio's comments suggests only that the rhetoric has changed. Rubio, and Trump, accept the fundamental and false idea that the United States has been acting out of enlightened self-interest. I think this is why the Trump administration won't acheive its goals.
Trump genuinely believes that the United States has been acting selflessly (and stupidly) since the end of WWII gettting ripped off by the world. Trump and his team believes that the US has selflessly been providing security to the world, see Steven Mirin's ideas for example. The belief will always be a fundamental stumbling block. For example, Trump clearly thinks that Biden's policy toward the Ukraine was altruistic, that the United States is doing the Ukrainians a big favour by keeping the war the going. I think many, including myself, hope that this misperception, combined with Trump's selfishness, would lead to the war winding down quickly. Trump fails to understand that the Ukraine was and is being used as a tool against Russia. If he can't understand this, then it will be pure luck that anything good comes.
Trump hates congestion pricing in New York City, for no reason other than to anger people in the culture war. Trump is pardoning and doing favours for small time petty criminals. He is attacking and prosecuting relatively harmless activitsts. Why is this taking up his time? He and his administration have no vision beyond their social media distorted worldview. This is just Trump or his speech writer saying things to anger liberal interventionists, nothing more than applying the culture war lens to foreign policy.
Old wine in new bottles?
Posted by: Pete L. | May 14 2025 15:55 utc | 30
If you believe anything has changed, then I have a Trumpcoin to sell you.
Posted by: Maologa | May 14 2025 15:57 utc | 31
"But the parts I have excerpted above are new. They, together with the previous remarks by Rubio, point to very different policy than any other recent president has pursued."
It sounds like rhetoric riffing on the Mersheimer realist perspective of foreign policy. That is definitely an improvement in the sense that it reflects a critical attitude towards the neo colonialist policy of every administration since Bush the elder.
Nonetheless, as always, we watch what they do. What they do is pander to Ukronazis, beat up Americans critical of Israel on American soil and ramp up the Philippines to improbably make war on China.
Perhaps, they are actually thinking about their new rhetoric. Perhaps, that will be reflected in their foreign policy going forward, but it hasn't happened yet and I highly doubt it ever will.
The easiest way for Trump to live up to his new rhetoric would be to simply cut all funding, every cent, to Ukraine tomorrow. Instead, he is keen on signing deals to put the US on the ground in Ukraine.
Maybe he should see how Mersheimer himself applies the perspective. That might help him understand the words he's mouthing in Saudi.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | May 14 2025 16:04 utc | 33
The Israel lobby is regime changing Bibi
he is bringing too much attention to their genocide
Trump is doing as told
Posted by: ld | May 14 2025 16:08 utc | 34
Americans have a bad habit of forgetting that other parties get a vote.
Hamas, Ansar Allah, Iran, Russia, and so on.
Trump can announce deals all day long. That's not going to improve the bond market.
Saudi sales won't offset Boeing losing the Chinese market under Trump.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 16:08 utc | 35
In response to
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If you believe anything has changed, then I have a Trumpcoin to sell you.
Posted by: Maologa | May 14 2025 15:57 utc | 31
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Exactly!
Trump is the private crypto meme Trojan Horse for the God Of Mammon cult.
Until and unless private finance is eliminated in our world and replaced by sovereign nations coordinated provision of finance as a public utility, multipolarity and multi-nodal concepts are words only, not reality.
What does it say that other barflies are not getting this?
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2025 16:09 utc | 36
@karlof1 #1
The deeds in this situation are non-deeds.
#1 non-deed: no more de-facto, unconditional support for Israel. Note I am not saying no support. There is a huge difference between what Biden did (talk bad occasionally but always unconditionally support Israel) vs. Trump (does not talk bad about Israel but does not offer unconditional support).
#2 No bombing of Iran.
#3 No more cash to Ukraine.
#4 Fewer (nobody expects no more at all) regime change operations both inside and outside the US.
Re: #1 This Trump visit to Saudi Arabia is one data point.
Re: #2 Seems like a done deal.
Re: #3 By July, August, we will know about #3.
Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2025 16:10 utc | 37
Good, now stop supporting Israeli ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Posted by: mike price | May 14 2025 16:13 utc | 38
The only US that's not doing harm to the world is a dead US, open to anyone to go in and take whatever they want.
Posted by: Surferket | May 14 2025 16:14 utc | 39
People need to keep in mind one very real possibility for Trump's seemingly schizophrenic foreign policy: Senate confirmation of Trump nominations.
While the biggest names are through: Gabbard, RFK Jr, Kash Patel, Eldridge Colby, Chris Wright - the reality is that there are still the vast majority of confirmations still outstanding.
Here is a WaPo tracker of the nomination confirmation status
Note that while 59 have been confirmed, there are 5 times as many not yet confirmed with another 5 times in open positions. This is where Lindsey Graham and the Senate neocons wield the ability to cause trouble for Trump.
So I have no idea if Kellogg's presence as "lead" Ukraine negotiator is because of the Senate neocon caucus, or because the US intel/military is still delusional about Russia's military and economic situation, or because Trump is a warmonger or whatever. But it is not impossible, at all, that Trumps foreign policy to date is because of deals being cut in the background.
Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2025 16:22 utc | 40
Will Trump act along the lines described in the speech? Or will he fall back into for the usual trot of an interventionist U.S. foreign policy seeking regime change left and right?
Posted by b on May 14, 2025 at 14:37 UTC | Permalink
What if, What if, trump is really what he says, and succeed or fail, he's just trying to do what he said (within the interest of the us, so don't project beyond that boundary)
I know we grew unaccustomed to it in the west, but...
Speaking of what if .
Was the pope's X account hacked?
Half a dozen tweets in a row, from the second onward recalling Leo XIIIth recoupling with russia and the eastern church.
The rest, peace, peace, peace...
Posted by: Newbie | May 14 2025 16:22 utc | 41
Posted by: c1ue 37
#1 Tell me how Trump has not already "offered unconditional support" to Israel, beyond words and news gossip. Remember, Trump is genociding the Palestinians as we speak. There is no worse crime against humanity than what Trump is doing *right now*.
#2 And you know this, how?
Posted by: NotPaulHollywood | May 14 2025 16:24 utc | 42
The Americans are very sorry your children were starved to death. You see, we were trying to obtain some Senate confirmations...
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 16:29 utc | 43
Laith Marouf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lAP3ebFw
"The rise of Yemen's resistance: A force the world can't ignore."
Including Trump or the Saudis.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 14 2025 16:30 utc | 44
Laith Marouf (corrected from above)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lAaP3ebFw
Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 14 2025 16:33 utc | 45
Saudi King Fahd was critical of the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 and warned of opening Pandora’s box.
Repeating the Mistakes of the 2003 Iraq Invasion | Gulf Research Center - January 2024 |
https://www.grc.net/documents/65969bdd185adRepeatingtheMistakesof2003CKFINALJanuary20242.pdf
The warnings from the GCC and other Middle Eastern states on the Gaza crisis are once again being ignored.
Gave great advantage to the Shia majority Muslims and militants … holy cities of the Shia sect in Najaf … support from Iran.
The Sunni resistance of Anbar province received funds and weapons from Saudi Arabia … tens of thousands were imprisoned and tortured. America promised the Sunnis real estate in the Levant … Abu Baghdadi organized further resistance to the Americans and began an offensive against Iraqi armed forces es which ran away leaving arms, munitions and vehicles behind.
The ISIL group was formed and supported by jihadists from across the globe …als the Afghan AQ veterans were recruited. War criminal Bandar Al Saud got the command over foreign fighters and quickly added numbers by releasing cut throats from death row in the Kingdom.
The Islamic State was born and could only be defeated by a broad coalition of Shia militants and American forces with Western allies. The Iranian general Qasem Soleimani played a key role … murdered on 3 January 2020 by the same idiot ruler of the White House. The overthrow of Assad was a reward and ultimately made possible by an alliance of Türkiye, AQ -Jabhat Al Nusra-US/British intelligence and modern Ukrainian drone warfare.
History has been rewritten by the victors … the Western alliance succeeded to overthrow a sovereign ruler.
Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2025 15:29 utc | 19
Bingo. Trump wants to disengage from the shit show in the Middle East (i.e., Gaza genocide and potential war with Iran) to focus on the remaining members of the "Axis of Evil" - I still predict that the Zionists will stage a false flag between now and Nov/Dec to really test his resolve.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 14 2025 15:32 utc | 22
I've been thinking lately that Mossad has a nuke buried under DC for that false flag, which they will attempt to blame on Russia, Iran, or whoever has been deemed the latest "enemy of the day". A nuke under DC serves as not only a necessary false flag to manipulate the masses, but also as a way to destroy evidence of the past.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 14 2025 16:38 utc | 47
Meh, words are cheap and Trump will say whatever will get applause at that moment from his current audience. I've heard the same dribble from Obama with his "dont do stupid stuff" slogan on foreign policy. more likely the US government is signaling that they will turn a blind eye to war crimes, human rights abuses, support for terrorism and torture as long as the targets are American enemies. Want to kill a few thousand Alawite civilians in Syria? no problem - we'll sell you the weapons, just normalize relations with Israel while the steal your land and kill your people! Genocide the Palestinians? fantastic idea, we'll sell you the weapons and run cover for you at the UN, just sell us some of that newly acquired land!
Rather than a more realistic foreign policy, we're on the cusp of a major outbreak of terrorism throughout the mid-east, Africa, Persia and Asia as the US tries to fight Russia and China on the cheap with renewed Islamic terrorism
Posted by: Kadath | May 14 2025 16:42 utc | 48
The US is no longer going to tell the world what to do? And Trump is now only concerned with the well-being and defense of the US?
Gosh, the Trump tariffs and assorted sanctions on foreign countries kind of indicate the opposite of both those statements.
Posted by: teri | May 14 2025 16:49 utc | 49
Meanwhile, yet another deed that belies the words:
The Trump regime issued guidance that the use of Huawei's Ascend chips anywhere in the world is a violation of U.S. export control rules.
The article's in Chinese, quite technical and recalls past US legislation designed to create monopolies. Many may have forgotten that Trump's Trade War against China involves much more than tariffs. What we see here is confirmation of Varoufakis and other's assertions that the Empire is attempting to create a monopoly on AI and other high tech tools so its owners can reap monopoly rents while also denying markets to other nations/manufacturers. IMO, there're millions of eyes in China alone watching what the Outlaw US Empire's doing, and they aren't being fooled.
Posted by: teri | May 14 2025 16:49 utc | 49
RE: non-interventionist-?
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Plus DJT followed up his remarks about *not* intervening in other countries by threatening Iran w/ Caesar Sanctions if Iran does not stop destabilizing the region w/ its proxies, which Iran insists are not Iranian proxies.
This was in the very same speech.
And if Iran fails to make the deal DJT wants, as far as nuclear materials are concerned,then he has vowed to collapse Iran's economy.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 14 2025 16:59 utc | 51
When the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing hypocrisy hardly matters.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | May 14 2025 17:01 utc | 52
@Posted by: karlof1 | May 14 2025 14:47 utc | 1
Words are cheap. Deeds are what might separate Trump present from Trump et al past. If Trump really means what he says, all Outlaw US Empire bases will be abandoned and the Zionists cutoff from all aid. Those are some of the mandatory deeds.
Very succinctly put, words are cheap, deeds speak for themselves. I will not hold my breath waiting for the sanctions to be fully removed from countries such as Cuba and Venezuela, or the troops of occupation to leave Okinawa and South Korea etc. He is also talking to leaders put in place by the West, in countries created by the West, and who have massively funded Wahhabi and other intervention to change nations (as with the UAE and Sudan currently). This is a man who just tried, and failed, to bomb Yemen into submission. It seems that a nice new jet and many billions of promised investments will get a US president to wax lyrical about you.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | May 14 2025 17:06 utc | 53
The US is no longer going to tell the world what to do? And Trump is now only concerned with the well-being and defense of the US?
Gosh, the Trump tariffs and assorted sanctions on foreign countries kind of indicate the opposite of both those statements.
Posted by: teri | May 14 2025 16:49 utc | 49
I agree. I don't trust anyone in DC, no matter what they say (except Thomas Massie). Gotta see what they do first, then ascertain whether the action(s) are real on their face or merely window dressing to deeper motives at play.
However, I have considered the possibility that maybe our Zionist overlords have decided that Bibi is destroying them. Can't rule out the idea of war between war-mongering assholes.
Then another question comes up: what if they finally had it all? I mean all. The entire world is theirs. Who would they fight with then? It's obvious they can't live without endlessly attempting to satisfy an insatiable bloodlust through war and other evil means, so who would they prey on next, if they are all they have left?
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 14 2025 17:08 utc | 54
@Posted by: karlof1 | May 14 2025 16:59 utc | 50
This is actually an acknowledgement of the utter defeat of the attempts of the US regime to crush Huawei and stop China developing advanced microchips. None of the export controls, sanctions etc. worked and now the horse has got beyond the barn door. The US is now trying to coral it back but its already in the next field. The lack of introspection and learning in the US elites is quite incredible.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | May 14 2025 17:09 utc | 55
Remember... "no matter who you vote for, you will always get John McCain." The neocons have embedded themselves into every administration since the 1970s. Trump's 1st term was loaded, especially notable were Pompeo, Bolton and Barr. This time the number 1 mole/minder is little Marco Rubio. He is trying hard to emulate people like Barr and Dick Cheney but he's still hoping for head cheerleader/president. When US leaders are getting their asses kicked some are putting on the hippie beads and talking about "spheres of influence". Lies. Berletic, Karl and almost all the barflies are on to that crap. The one big thing I hope and want from Trump: stay away from a trigger to nuclear holocaust. In that sense, he's better than Biden. Meanwhile, fight him and his neocon team along with Democrat pigs.
Posted by: migueljose | May 14 2025 17:09 utc | 56
"Nooo! Trump is playing 5D chess to increase imperial interventions and regime change operations! Don't be fooled!"
OK, so Trump is both super stupid and super clever at the same time. This TDS ability to believe contradiction gets TeDiouS.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 14 2025 17:13 utc | 57
Very nice, B. I knew you had it in you, however difficult it must have been to shed an innate tendency for contradiction.
Yes, policy changes may surprise, but do they really? The USA's decades of post war dominance were due not only to the destruction of allies and enemies alike, but also the voluntary withdrawal from competition by the self goals imposed by communist China and Russia.
Once they discarded those unnecessary restraints, it was only a matter of time for them to rejoin the first ranks of power.
Coincidentally, the timing couldn't have been better from their POV, because the USA had finally reached the culmination of a series of debauched decades of unbridled corruption and public cynicism in the form of a literally bankrupt super power.
So, is it any wonder that people who actually understand these things realized the jig was well and truly up? This what some MAGA oriented posters and I have been continually saying: Trump is a revolutionary movement.
Now, as everyone freely admits, theres no guarantee of turning the ship around, but least attempts are being made. However, as I've mentioned before, only fools fight ground wars against Russia *OR* underestimate US ingenuity and competitiveness.
Posted by: Markw | May 14 2025 17:14 utc | 58
"no matter who you vote for, you will always get John McCain."
Posted by: migueljose | May 14 2025 17:09 utc | 56
Brings to mind Mark Twain: if voting really mattered, they wouldn't let us do it.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 14 2025 17:14 utc | 59
I look forward to an intelligent comment appearing on this thread after the Hillary/Cheney/Obama/Team-Biden crowd, the blue-no-matter-whos, those infected with TDS, the repetitive clown-show get finished making their meaningless-multiple posts saying the same thing over and over and over blaming Trump for the last forty years no..no all of American history not hyperbolic enough..ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY
...yes..yes..Dumbass...America must be DESTROYED...then flowers will bloom again and you will be free of your wrinkled hate, reborn...yada..yada..yada... I can't wait to hear one of your muppets say "but..but Dombass is the most intelligent person here...God's gift to us all, his wisdom is but pearls before swine" I almost want to do it myself just to mock your efforts at self-praise.
As mentioned in another b post:
"In between the mindless blather of breathless fanboys and their muppets a lot of good comments here...Intelligent, reasoned disagreement that goes against our proprietor/the Kremlin/the "LONG-AWAITED-REVOLUTION"/Russian-High-Command-conduct and other sacred cows should not be silenced by the "cheer-louder-fanboy-squads". Cheerleaders have the same effect they have on American-football games, nothing, outside of a few lewd looks as the girls do the splits".
Posted by: S Brennan | May 14 2025 17:23 utc | 60
Seems to me we get "the biggest, greatest, bestest" new policies from Trump only to have him walk it back when the adults back in Washington have a word with him. He said the same thing about non intervention during his last term only to walk it back and escalate things in Syria days after his pronouncements. He's already flopped on arming Ukraine and he'll flip again when Bibi goes over his head and convinces Trump's bosses that Yemen or iran needs another bombing.
On the subject of flip flops where the fuck do we stand on tariffs ... seems to me the story changes daily and the only "win" Trump's had is over England.
Posted by: HB_Norica | May 14 2025 17:26 utc | 61
William Gruff 57,
You beat me to it. Note to myself: brevity, stop waxing poetic...
Posted by: S Brennan | May 14 2025 17:27 utc | 62
Words are cheap. Deeds are what might separate Trump present from Trump et al past. If Trump really means what he says, all Outlaw US Empire bases will be abandoned and the Zionists cutoff from all aid. Those are some of the mandatory deeds.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 14 2025 14:47 utc | 1
What Trump won't ever, ever mention is the US economy is largely based on weapons sales and forever wars. To discontinue the indiscriminate killing, directly or indirectly would seriously dent GDP, if not prove fatal.
Maybe he ought to try beating the swords into ploughshares, but perhaps he never read that part of the Trump bible. And yes, the shift from war and reconstruction to an agragarian economy would be painful to our country, the world perhaps, but what the US is barely surviving on today is worse. Much worse.
Killing the innocent is NOT what I ever want done in my name, or with my tax dollars.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 14 2025 17:31 utc | 63
Twain:
Politicians are like diapers. Both should be changed frequently.
And for the same reason
Posted by: Stool | May 14 2025 17:31 utc | 64
Trump's weakening of support for Wasrael hasn't passed unnoticed. I'd love to know why and how?
It's impossible for me to forget that it was Musk's 27/5/2018 tweet:
"Who do you think owns the Press?
Hello."
Which pointed at the fact that Zionist Jews own and control the Western MSM. They also coordinate/ synchronise it.
So, is it possible that Trump agreed to let Elon set up DOGE in order to seek evidence that Jews are exerting undue influence on the policies of govt departments?
AND
Is it possible that a search of the owners/shareholders of the US Military Industrial Complex would reveal that jews are disproportionately over-represented?
If so, would it not help to explain the US Military's Trrraditional role as Wasrael's Bull In A China Shop?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 14 2025 17:34 utc | 65
I give Trump credit for doing what he can (which is not much) to steer a sinking ship.
America is that sinking ship. The economic news is dire and accelerating.
That said, nothing Trump says has any value. He flip-flops weekly if not daily.
In 6 months, this trip will be forgotten, just as the Saudi push into AI will be forgotten.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 17:36 utc | 66
WTF! The United States of America no longer interventionist?!? Trump received all kinds of nice presents from the Arabs. One of those personal gifts was a lavish $400 million jet. That's not for the ordinary people Trump ostensibly represents, the US population, but for him personally. In return he will briefly, just for this tiny amount of time, put his support for the Zionazi genocide of the Palestinians on hold. I bet it won't even be for more than 2 months. Amazing how people who should know better keep swallowing this charade. That's not optimisms, that's willful ignorance.
(The link already seems banned maybe going through his landing page works.)
Posted by: xor | May 14 2025 17:43 utc | 67
Sean Foo makes a great point that this is all about China. Trying to drive a wedge between KSA and China.
China buys a lot of oil from KSA, and KSA runs a trade surplus with China.
All of these are the ripples on the surface. They are not the undertow.
Wheels within wheels.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 17:47 utc | 69
Posted by: Gabriel | May 14 2025 17:43 utc | 68
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How is that any different than America starving millions of people to death, which they have been doing for decades in West Asia?
China is well-loved in the ROW. America, not so much.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 17:48 utc | 70
That said, nothing Trump says has any value. He flip-flops weekly if not daily.
In 6 months, this trip will be forgotten, just as the Saudi push into AI will be forgotten.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 17:36 utc | 66
And the genocides in Ukraine and Gaza will continue unabated.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 14 2025 17:49 utc | 71
Nooneuknow | May 14 2025 17:31 utc | 63--
Thanks for your reply. There are other ways of saying what you aver. Trump's budget is one example where all Imperial monies are increased, tax cuts for the billionaires are promoted, and Medicare and other human support aid is cut by over a Trillion dollars.
The Dead Horse is being beaten again as Trump delivered more lies to his audience in Riyadh.
They just want new slaves. They didn't transfer any microelectronics technology to Russia, they are only waiting to grab Siberia.
Posted by: Gabriel | May 14 2025 17:43 utc | 68
Maybe Russia has even better microelectronics than China. Hard to know for sure.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 14 2025 17:51 utc | 73
...the so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves.
This is establishes a coherence with Rubio's statement about a multipolar world quoted by b. If I recall the discussion in the baroom, it was whether Rubio was off reservation. He was not clearly.
The other what i think to be is a pillar of the foreign policy was the dismantling of USAID and placing it under the direct control of the Secretary of State. So there is a degree of separation between the interests that can capture USAID and use it to promote their profit making venture, whatever that may be. The tools available include regime change, obviously, contrary to the wording and intent of the UN Charter. It has happened more than 100x since the end of WWII.
I commented then and continue to believe that the regime destabilization tools need to be more specifically dealt with as part of a new security architecture enshrined in treaty lever guarantees. Trump's speech keeps this option open.
So how do the interests that liked to use regime change tools taking this? Stoney silence in the US MSM tells you all you need to know.
Posted by: frithguild | May 14 2025 17:52 utc | 74
Heres the full speech; classic Trump.
The segue to the new multipolar world begins around 19:00 with a critique of neocons:
https://youtu.be/5RINobmDCwU?si=Fa8nyDp2NOQOSvxm
Posted by: Markw | May 14 2025 17:52 utc | 75
If the USA is the new beacon of light for humanity, why don't they help with know-how various nations around the globe to make efficient factories or to set-up factories and research centers using locals ? What the USA is proposing to the world is to continue being stupid workers that will grow soybeans, corn and meat for them, and produce products using dirt cheap labor and pollute other countries. But, reality is that on top of them are the old secret families that run this world since the pharaos of Egypt. It's all bull-shit tragic comedy for humanity.
Posted by: Gabriel | May 14 2025 17:
There, fixed it for ya...
Posted by: Norsk Borscht | May 14 2025 18:00 utc | 76
The Dead Horse is being beaten again as Trump delivered more lies to his audience in Riyadh.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 14 2025 17:51 utc | 73
That's what I think, too. Lies, lies and more lies. If Trump really wants to bring peace, he shuts down the weapons, the money, the overseas bases, etc and so forth. But he does nothing of the sort.
Consider this though, it only took the Deep State 12 or so years (Obama to Trump 2.0) to reduce American Government to rule by executive order.
So where's the executive order outlawing American support and participation in all wars, excepting those in defense of the American homeland? Wonder what that would do to the precious stock markets then? (not gonna happen)
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 14 2025 18:00 utc | 77
And the genocides in Ukraine and Gaza will continue unabated.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | May 14 2025 17:49 utc | 72
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The MAGAs don't care. Those aren't white people.
The Arabs have to figure this out for themselves. Egypt, Lebanon, KSA, Syria. Greater Israel (the American colonial project) is coming for all of them.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 18:01 utc | 78
Posted by: Gabriel | May 14 2025 17:53 utc | 77
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Are you totally ignorant of the relationship between China, Vietnam, and Cambodia?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 18:05 utc | 80
Gabriel | May 14 2025 17:43 utc | 68--
IMO, you are the same flea as "Perplexed" who asked those same questions on yesterday's thread which I answered twice. What follows is an excerpt from the letter Xi Jinping wrote to the Russian people just prior to his state visit on 8 May:
We must firmly defend international fairness and justice. Now, the global deficits in peace, development, security and governance continue to widen unabated. To address these deficits, I have proposed to build a community with a shared future for mankind and put forward the Global Development Initiative, the Global Security Initiative, and the Global Civilization Initiative as a way forward to steer the reform of the global governance system toward greater fairness and justice.The world needs justice, not hegemonism. History and reality have proven that to meet global challenges, it is important to uphold the vision of global governance featuring extensive consultation and joint contribution for shared benefit. It is also important to choose dialogue over confrontation, build partnerships over alliances, and pursue win-win cooperation over zero-sum games. It is equally important to practice true multilateralism, accommodate the legitimate concerns of all parties, and safeguard international norms and order. We firmly believe that people around the world will choose to stand on the right side of history and the side of fairness and justice. [My Emphasis]
What China seeks is Global Harmony, not hegemony, which is the West's ongoing policy goal.
@51
Trump throwing out sanctions could be good. Maybe he learned something from his useless Houthi bombing and the two day air war about Kashmir
US has been sanctioning Iran since 1979……
Posted by: paddy | May 14 2025 18:09 utc | 82
"The MAGAs this..." and "The MAGAs that..."
The frustrated bleating of a dembot.
I wonder how many readers really believe its "Not American, not white, not male, and definitely not a brony!" Internet (read: fantasy) bio identity.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 14 2025 18:16 utc | 83
Salaam,the TIC,needs to be the WIC.Actions like immediately shutting down Guantanamo,which he said he would do in Trump 1.0!Then how about lifting the decades old illegal embargo on Cuba!.Abide by the UN Charter in practice and spirit.Maybe take control of the issuance of the US$ from private hands(nationalise the Fed).Then just maybe we may say the foreign policy of the US is headed in a new direction,till then hell freezes over first!
Posted by: 4q8 | May 14 2025 18:25 utc | 84
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US has been sanctioning Iran since 1979……
Posted by: paddy | May 14 2025 18:09 utc | 85
For Wasrael.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 14 2025 18:25 utc | 85
At the moment, it is more profitable for Trump to back MbS and Qatar, than Netanyahu; tomorrow that will change. Trump is creating a bidding war for his support. It's not about Israel, MbS, the Constitution or the Evangelicals - Its about Trump.
Posted by: Deniz | May 14 2025 18:26 utc | 86
Trump’s and Rubio’s remarks may genuinely signal an attempt at re-orienting the US government approach to international relations but won’t they need to get the CIA onboard?
After all, it is that clandestine, unaccountable organisation, acting as an almost autonomous alt-government in the US, which is at the forefront of stirring up chaos, agitating opposition bodies in target countries, causing division and strife as its modus operandi.
Dismantle, or at least radically prune and re-structure that organisation, Messrs Trump and Rubio, then you might gain some actual, substantive credibility.
Otherwise this is all just playing to your Arabian audience. The Global South will judge you by your actions and outcomes.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 14 2025 18:27 utc | 87
Let's introduce a half an hour of Berletic
US Ditching Ukraine “Peace Talks,” Predictable Continuity of Agenda Follows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5B1o7E5A5o
Counterpoint to "The Peace Prize Speech" in Riyadh!
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 14 2025 18:40 utc | 88
Russia is unable to make advanced microelectronic chips on their own.
more racist blather from a genocider
Posted by: Exile | May 14 2025 18:43 utc | 89
Rubio
The way the world has always worked is that the Chinese will do what’s in the best interests of China, th
In case you forget, Rubio the Sec of state is persona non grata in China for his long arm jurisdiction !
US Senate unanimously confirms fierce China critic Marco ...www.phayul.com
21 Jan 2025 — Rubio has consistently spotlighted China's human rights violations, particularly in Tibet, East Turkestan (CH. Xinjiang), Hong Kong, and the
Posted by: denk | May 14 2025 18:47 utc | 90
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 14 2025 18:27 utc | 90
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The extension of your question is, does the President control the CIA, or does the CIA control the President? Post JFK-files release, that's a valid question. Seven-ways-to-Sunday...
It is also useful to note that KSA doesn't have dissident voices in the country. Everyone at these events was carefully selected, similar to how Trump's traveling press pool is carefully curated.
Cannot allow the hoi polloi to see outside of the narrative.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 14 2025 18:47 utc | 91
Agree with most of the above comments - the 'crash test dummy posing as President of the US' (thanks to Escobar) has been replaced by a loose cannon.....
I like Michael Brenner's stellar assessment of Trump as I paraphrase.... it's not the Trumpian behavior that's a puzzle anymore, it's the political analysts who over and over again report that behavior as if it portends some kind of rationality..
Minute 36 boils down the typical Trump diplomacy
https://youtu.be/x3joe1PyqJU
Posted by: PassionateProgressiv | May 14 2025 18:48 utc | 92
@ Posted by: steven t johnson | May 14 2025 15:33 utc | 23
You are right.
I think claiming that some evil liberals were trying to build nations out of sheer arrogance falsifies what was being done. Imperialists were trying to take control, for benefits to their empire, if not themselves personally. Cheap shots like this made to a bunch of billionaires who supported intervention in Kuwait and stand by while Trump intensifies support for the Zionist project is not anti-imperialist in my view. Praising the wonders of Riyadh after bombing Yemen?
Also those same billionaires participated in the destruction of those countries. Libya, Iraq and Syria would not have been destroyed had Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE not participated.
Posted by: Georgie | May 14 2025 18:48 utc | 93
I find the whole thing sick, sick to my stomach while 2 million people in Gaza has been under siege for more than seven decades.
The Outlaw US of A has been selling security in the ME for decades as a way to control and manipulate the $$$ oil producers while Israel Project is used to unbalance the needed peace in the region and hence the sell of more weapons.
Posted by: pepe | May 14 2025 18:50 utc | 94
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | May 14 2025 18:27 utc | 90
I second those sentiments.
Pre-Trump the State Department was chock-full of neocons and one imagines that the CIA and affiliates were chock-full of Mossad agents.
It's too easy to forget that the pro-Israel Lobby in the Jewed-up West OWNS (as in bought & paid for) ALL of the West's donor-addicted politicians.
Until we stop voting for candidates who are more interested in lining their own pockets with Donor Cash, than representing the voting public, things will get worse before they get better.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 14 2025 18:52 utc | 95
Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @90:
After all, it is that clandestine, unaccountable organisation, acting as an almost autonomous alt-government in the US, which is at the forefront of stirring up chaos, agitating opposition bodies in target countries, causing division and strife as its modus operandi.
Yeah, the CIA is America's Mr. Hyde to its Dr. Jekyll presidential public face. It is not so easy to take down or Kennedy would have succeeded way back when the CIA was smaller and less entrenched.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 14 2025 18:53 utc | 96
Posted by: Gabriel | May 14 2025 17:53 utc | 77
This is where Iran beats China. They share their technology with their allies. Venezuela and Iran have a tight relationship and Iran has shared drone technology with them.
Posted by: Georgie | May 14 2025 18:54 utc | 97
I find the whole thing sick, sick to my stomach while 2 million people in Gaza has been under siege for more than seven decades.
Posted by: pepe | May 14 2025 18:50 utc | 97
your exaggerations...
Probably just 1.5 million, february trump mentioned 1.7 so real casualties are 10x official
( /s in case someone has any doubts)
Posted by: Newbie | May 14 2025 18:57 utc | 98
In Saudi Arabia Trump Rejects Interventionism, Regime-Change Schemes - and hugs and kisses Syria's Al-Qaeda boss, who Trump helped to install as "president of Syria" after Trump & Co arranged regime change in Syria
Posted by: Mike | May 14 2025 18:59 utc | 99
The business of America is business … war and conflict are the best businesses and so will continue.
However, it may be that the oligarch in the president’s seat has been offered far more by his recent audience than the traditional bribers of the previous occupiers of the chair, the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bidens, and the other servants of the corporate oligarchs. The Arabs look like they may be outbidding the Israel firsters. What that will mean on the ground remains to be seen.
Posted by: Caliman | May 14 2025 19:01 utc | 100
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Words are cheap. Deeds are what might separate Trump present from Trump et al past. If Trump really means what he says, all Outlaw US Empire bases will be abandoned and the Zionists cutoff from all aid. Those are some of the mandatory deeds.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 14 2025 14:47 utc | 1