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April 3, 2025
White House Lacks Financial Literacy – ‘Tariffs’ Show

Presidential Message on National Financial Literacy Month, 2025 – The White House, Apr 1 2025

The foundation of American economic prosperity is a society empowered with the knowledge and tools to make informed financial decisions to achieve the American Dream. …

I welcome that message.

Teaching financial literacy must start at the top. The members of the Trump administration obviously lack the knowledge and tools to make informed financial decisions.

It is the only possible explanation for how they came up with these numbers:


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China does not have a 67% tariff on U.S. goods (it's 7.3%). The EU does not have a 39% tariff on U.S. goods (it's 5.2%). The numbers are bollocks.

So where do they come from? The official explanation from the U.S. Trade Representative is here. Its baloney:

James Surowiecki @JamesSurowiecki – 0:22 UTC · Apr 3, 2025

Just figured out where these fake tariff rates come from. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us.

So we have a $17.9 billion trade deficit with Indonesia. Its exports to us are $28 billion. $17.9/$28 = 64%, which Trump claims is the tariff rate Indonesia charges us. What extraordinary nonsense this is.

Even given that it's Trump, I cannot believe they said "We'll just divide the trade deficit by imports and tell people that's the tariff rate." And then they decided to set our tariffs by just cutting that totally made-up rate in half! This is so dumb and deceptive.

.. it's actually worse than I thought: in calculating the tariff rate, Trump's people only used the trade deficit in goods. So even though we run a trade surplus in services with the world, those exports don't count as far as Trump is concerned.

The last point is a major one, for China, but especially for the EU :

EU-US trade in goods and services reached an impressive €1.6 trillion in 2023. This means that every day, €4.4 billion worth of goods and services cross the Atlantic between the EU and the US.

The total bilateral trade in goods reached €851 billion in 2023. The EU exported €503 billion of goods to the US market, while importing €347 billion; this resulted in a goods trade surplus of €157 billion for the EU.

Total bilateral trade in services between the EU and the US was worth €746 billion in 2023. The EU exported €319 billion of services to the US, while importing €427 billion from the US; this resulted in a services trade deficit of €109 billion for the EU.

EU-US goods and services trade is balanced: the difference between EU exports to the US and US exports to the EU stood at €48 billion in 2023; the equivalent of just 3% of the total trade between the EU and the US.

Despite that Trump has decreed a 20% on all goods from the EU. The natural countermeasure from the EU will be to put a 20+% tariff on all import of U.S. services.

Trump also decreed a minimum 10% tariff on imports from every country. Products made by the penguins of the uninhabited Heard and McDonald Islands in the Antarctic will now come with a 10% surcharge.


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There is really no economic reasoning behind these numbers.

Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand – 4:16 AM · Apr 3, 2025

To illustrate just how nonsensically these tariffs were calculated, take the example of Lesotho, one of the poorest countries in Africa with just $2.4 billion in annual GDP, which is being struck with a 50% tariff rate under the Trump plan, the highest rate among all countries on the list.

As a matter of fact Lesotho, as a member of the Southern African Customs Union (SACU), applies the common external tariff structure established by this regional trade bloc.

So since the tariffs charged by these 5 countries on U.S. products are exactly the same, they must all be struck with a 50% tariff rate by the U.S., right? Not at all: South Africa is getting 30%, Namibia 21%, Botswana 37% and Eswatini just 10%, the lowest rate possible among all countries.

Looking at Lesotho specifically, every year the U.S. imports approximately $236 million in goods from Lesotho (primarily diamonds, textiles and apparel) while exporting only about $7 million worth of goods to Lesotho (https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/LSO/Year/2022/TradeFlow/EXPIMP/Partner/by-country).

Why do they export so little? Again this is an extremely poor country where 56.2% of the population lives with less than $3.65 a day (https://databankfiles.worldbank.org/public/…), i.e. $1,300 a year. They simply can't afford U.S. products, no-one is going to buy an iPhone or a Tesla on that sort of income…

The way the tariffs are ACTUALLY calculated appears to be based on a simplistic and economically senseless formula: you take the trade deficit the U.S. has with a country, divide it by that country's exports to the U.S and declare this – falsely – "the tariff they charge on the U.S."

And then as Trump did in his speech last night, you magnanimously declare that you'll only "reciprocate" by charging half that "tariff" on them.

As such, for Lesotho, the calculation goes like this: ($236M – $7M)/$235M = 97%. That's the "tariff" Lesotho is deemed to charge this U.S. and half of that, i.e. roughly 50% is what the U.S. "reciprocates" with.

It's extremely easy to see why this makes no sense at all.

Lesotho has a comparative advantage over the U.S. as it can dig up and sell diamonds. But it lacks the purchasing power to buy U.S. goods and services. The calculations by the Trump administration ignore those basic facts.

No tariffs were by the way introduced against Belarus, Russia and North Korea. This because of sanction, the U.S. has allegedly no trade relation with them. (Other than buying enriched Uranium for its nuclear power stations?)

Did the Trump administration anticipate how this nonsense will explode in its face?

It is Smoot-Hawley writ large.

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When the Houthis have gone the same way as Hamas, Hezbollah, Nasrallah, Assad, Syria, Iran’s president and top generals including Suleimani, and there is still no war with Iran, will some start looking at Iran in a different light.
I dont know what is going on but Iran has a really terrible bad record, of late.
With friends like Iran who needs enemies
(Russia and Iran have both been pretty pathetic, will we have to wait for China to see some real opposition to empire)

Posted by: Keith | Apr 4 2025 5:36 utc | 301

Also not that these tariffs will probably work against the scrouge of consumer society. A noble goal in itself.
I found myself for the first time in many years in a low budget clothing store. A big one. Cant describe how disgusted I was.

Posted by: alek_a | Apr 4 2025 5:36 utc | 302

Thanks george @ 289
More feedback from Australia would give us all here a clearer picture regarding tarrifs and genrealy.
From here in the uk it sounds like Australia is reacting very much similar to Mark Carney in Canada. For me thats a posative.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 4 2025 5:58 utc | 303

That’s all well and true, but tariffs are reciprocally lower to access the largest economy in the world while others do have regulator hurdles on market access totheir side (China and even the EU), if not higher tariffs outright (india). This is completely against the free market, but it still can’t be a one-war street.
Also, dunno what his rant was but “Heard and McDonald Islands” is a slight on aus not the uninhabited island. It is not sovereign, its sovereign master is the target. Likewise Falklands/Malvinas, etc.
At any rate, while we’re on Smoot-Hawley, it exacerbated the recession to be GREAT and had to be turned down. Just last night on a work call that WILL be affected by this, but it was unanimous to play it out.

Posted by: Sal | Apr 4 2025 6:31 utc | 304

Zet ( Apr 3 2025 23:19 utc | 275 ) asked:

Are you SunnyR on X/Twitter?

No, I have never had a Twitter or X account.
I don’t do social media in general, the closest thing would be (was) forums like old Slashdot many years ago, some of the replacements, a long ago defunct very small social forum of internet friends, a few blogs, and some mostly technical mailing lists like the rocketry one that had John Carmack on it (I think I only ever read and never posted). I don’t even remember the name of it now. Already more than twenty years ago… but I don’t do any of that any more.
That by the way is also why I knew about/of Elon Musk all the way back then as he and his team struggled and finally met success with their last possible launch at Kwajalein (money had run out). People generally agreed It took extraordinary effort of them to get that last try going.
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Peru ( Apr 4 2025 1:54 utc | 292 ): well said!

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 4 2025 6:32 utc | 305

‘Unjustified & Misguided'(& vid)
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/2025/04/03/unjustified-and-misguided-watch-canadas-full-response/
“Watch Carney’s full response…”
Matt Taibbi: The Great American Bubble Machine (2009)
https://peakwatch.typepad.com/goldman_taibbi.pdf
“The first thing you need to know about Goldman Sachs is that it’s everywhere. The world’s most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.
In fact, the history of the recent financial crisis, which doubles a a history of the rapid decline and fall of the suddenly swindled-dry American empire, reads like a Who’s Who of Goldman Sachs graduates…”
The present PM of Canada, Mark Carney, was a GS senior partner. And that ain’t all. If Canadians only knew…

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 4 2025 6:35 utc | 306

Mark Carney’s Full Response to Trump Tariffs
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/2025/04/03/unjustified-and-misguided-watch-carneys-full-response/
[corrected from above]
PS: There’s a reason the British press called bankster Bilderberger Carney ‘Mr Smooth’.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 4 2025 6:47 utc | 307

Thanks b. Your point that there is not much sophistication or deep understanding of economics in the MIGA administration is valid.
It’s amazing to see the MIGA usual suspects shitting all over the comments, performing mental gymnastics, to justify why their lord and saviour the “peace president” can do no wrong, while he continues a genocide against Palestinians at the behest of his Zionist donors, indiscriminately bombs Yemeni civilians out of impotent rage, detains, deports and disappears anyone in the ‘land of the free’ who criticises these criminal acts.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 4 2025 6:58 utc | 308

John Gilbert @ 308
Thanks John for the above comments.
Beyound doubt you are correct about Carneys back ground.
But….
Trump did say he was going to make Canada the US 51’st state.
How dare he, he’s out of control, and needs this slap down from Carney, who i beleave is politicaly strong enough to do it too.
I agree on your take re Carney.
I hold the view that in this western fight for world domination,
Devide and rule is a posative force for the benfit of the rest of the sane world including within america.
More power to Carneys elbow !
Cheers.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 4 2025 7:09 utc | 309

I also agree with trump !
Let america turn its back on Canada, Austrailia, China and the EU, and all the less powerfull countrys.
Let america become more insular and selve supporting ! Less exploiting of the rest of the free world.
Less fascist end game capatalist !
A win win, whats not to like ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 4 2025 7:23 utc | 310

And i hope the presant devide is very quickly reflected in the military sphere of geo politics, the sooner the better for all of us.
Amen.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 4 2025 7:30 utc | 311

The US likes to predict that it will win every war. History has proven the opposite. Perhaps that’s why Trump doesn’t talk about a “tariff war.” Quite the opposite. He presents it as a long-overdue adjustment to trade relations between the US and other nations. To determine whether he’s right in this assessment, one would have to delve deep into the depths of the global economy. Who has the time or the necessary perspective?
Trump must reduce the 2026 budget by at least $1 trillion. If he doesn’t manage it, his cue with the tariffs was too late, and America is finished.
That he exempted Russia and Belarus from the tariffs, supposedly because of sanctions, there would be hardly any trade… which is a lie!
In 2024, it was almost $4 billion!
This leads to some speculation that Trump, together with Putin, is planning something bigger in the direction of “superpower.”
Whether China is included in this cannot yet be definitively determined.
“` In any case, there’s a lot being discussed in the background that we don’t yet know.
One clue could be/will be if Trump closes some bases around the world, brings back troops, and perhaps even dismisses them…
which would already bring him a large portion of the billions he wants to save. Who knows how far the “détente” between Russia and the US will really go and whether it can be implemented, especially because the decades-long brainwashing in the US AGAINST Russia can’t be reversed overnight, apart from the political opponents in the elites.
At the moment, there’s a lot of outcry about the tariffs, but in a short time, hardly anyone will be talking about them.
The EU’s concern is probably more about the strong euro and the associated debt repayment.
Who would these problems of a strong euro play into? That’s right, the USA and Russia, and also China, right?
…But let’s wait and see. I’m of the opinion that, apart from Trump trying to save the American economy, America as a world power…is Russia in some way part of the plan, especially when it comes to world power?
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Posted by: physiatrisch | Apr 4 2025 7:32 utc | 312

America and the jews need to be stopped becouse….
Gaza.
Amen.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 4 2025 7:39 utc | 313

Posted by: Bartels | Apr 4 2025 4:11 utc | 299
You do not need to have an IQ above that of a chimp to realise that the method of calculation in its raw form is stupid.
Some countries, usually smaller less developed ones have just one or two rare exports which they will sell to the highest bidder, usually a big western nation like the USA. However they do not have the money to buy from the USA or western nations since being poor they will grow their own food, build their own shelters, and use very little clothing, They have very little scope/money to buy US consumer products and they have no choice but to choose the cheapest options for medicines or consumer goods. Had there been exemptions for smaller under-developed nations and/or agreements that the USa would price match others for essential goods eg medicines, heating fuel etc then it might have been OK and even popular.
No much as i can see problems for my own nation regarding tariffs, I concede they have their place and may be positive for the USA in some cases. But this blanket tariff on everything makes little sense. Sure of steel, aluminium, shipbuilding etc – the strategic industries, but on other stuff just silly.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 4 2025 7:44 utc | 314

If you understood Trump you would realise that this is an almost arbitrary point for the start for negotiation purposes. Ity has certainly got everyone’s attention and snap judgements from markets simply expose their crude understanding of Trumponomics.

Posted by: Peter Plail | Apr 4 2025 7:58 utc | 315

Want to educate yourself, before posting bold (on possibly dead wrong) statements?
Here we go:
https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/documents/FG/hudsonbay/research/638199_A_Users_Guide_to_Restructuring_the_Global_Trading_System.pdf

Posted by: Deep Seeker | Apr 4 2025 8:42 utc | 316

There is no madness here.
It is a plan to bankrupt and then buy up assets cheaply.
It’s always the plan that’s how the eternal bankers capture wealth.
The whole pantomime is a show.
A Punch and Judy show.
Naughty Punch Trump.
Poor European Judy.
‘Ooh you brute you bad Punch..’
If you don’t know the plot of the show, watch it.
This time when they have the assets, they won’t allow as many people to accumulate again.
Because the plan is for them Never to Own Anything, but still be Happy!
It’s not Humpty Trumpty’s plan. It’s WEF, it’s Soros and his Chosen Son, SorryArse, plan.
It’s the shapeshifters plan. As they create the huff and puff and flash bang to cover their escape!
With the booty. Pretending they had nothing to do with anything instead of being the chief fire starters.
Through their decades of control of the Deepstate apparatus, through elite academia and brainwashing of the elite rich kids and some poor but clever sociopaths.
They are not dividing the world into bipolar – that is their dream.
Golden Billion and the rest Useless Eaters.
Garden and Jungle.
But there can be NO bipolarity in a multilateral world.
The Majority of humanity in harmonious exchange and mutual security.
No Them and Us!
Just some deranged crazy Collective Wasters led up the Garden Path.
Robbed of their lifetimes wealth accumulation and nothing left for our kids and grandkids.
Pretending we are liberal, moral, well deserving;
and still better off than being part of the multipolar.
These bars of our own zoo that we so spectacularly and foolishly
have allowed ourselves to walk into.
With decades of total crap about what Money is, how it is created and by whom.
Lies about Tax and Spend.
Lies about being guardians of the Planet.
Lies about Climate, Covid and the rising Multipolarity.
So the braying from Eurocrats and all the satraps is a show.
The only bipolarity is only in their minds and those of us propagandised.
The RoW will in a generation just look at us with sympathy as we refuse to get out of our own cages.
Because we will believe that without the zoo keepers who will feed us,
through the universal income, we are still better off than the majority of the world!
Drumpff has made it obvious to call him out for his lack of fine trousers.
Because while we point and laugh the shapeshifters escape with the loot.
Crying Wolf.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 4 2025 9:30 utc | 317

Posted by: EuropeanTraveller | Apr 3 2025 13:23 utc | 90
Disadvantaged against whom exactly?
Against the car exporter from Europe to America of course, because America doesn’t charge 20% VAT. I thought that was evident. The topic here is trade balancing.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 3 2025 13:45 utc | 96

America doesn’t charge 20% VAT to their own consumers, either. VAT is simply not a tariff since you pay it even on domestically paid goods.

Posted by: EuropeanTraveller | Apr 3 2025 13:23 utc | 90
> How about all the services the USA exports to the EU?
What services?
And BTW, how services can be exported? Like lamps you rub to activate the service?
Posted by: hopehely | Apr 3 2025 13:32 utc | 92

If I am paying a subscription for a digital service to a US company, am I not importing a service because money is flowing from the EU to the USA?
And if not, can I add a tariff to them, e.g. 30%, and expect no backslash from America? Because the trade deficit is much smaller when accounting for goods and services.

Posted by: EuropeanTraveller | Apr 4 2025 9:50 utc | 318

A hint about what Trumps and his advisers idea may be inspired from:
https://tv.nstarikov.ru/evropa-ne-mozhet-seryozno-otvetit-na-vvedenie-trampom-importnykh-poshlin
Europe cannot seriously respond to Trump’s import duties
Nikolai Starikov 20250404

“The world’s trade surplus with the United States is $1.1 trillion a year. This means that the US carries more than it takes out.
Trump is going to fight this. What will it lead to? There are historical examples. At the end of the 19th century, the United States was closed off from the rest of the world with a total tariff of 38 percent. And under this umbrella, a powerful American industry has grown there. In this sense, the Americans are going to repeat their own experience.”
So there is a successful historical precedent.
However it emerged in the later part of the 19th century when the anglosaxons were busy inventing/encouriging zionism communism and nazism.
Is there any chance that this precedent applies today?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 4 2025 10:32 utc | 319

Is there any chance that this precedent applies today?
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 4 2025 10:32 utc | 320

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GREENING DISEASE (2005)
The Florida citrus industry faced an additional challenge in 2005, when citrus greening disease, a bacterial disease deadly to citrus trees, was first detected in its commercial groves. Citrus greening disease, also known as HLB, leads to premature fruit drop, unripe fruit and eventual tree death.
With no known cure, citrus growers use a variety of management strategies to protect young trees, increase tree immune response, sustain grove health and improve fruit marketability. While these management strategies can partially offset yield losses, they increase the costs of production.
full story ==> https://citrusindustry.net/2024/05/07/florida-orange-production-plummeted-years/

The natural resources that made America Great are mostly played out. Hence the shift to Imperial extraction.
It is instructive to look at the 1849 gold rush and also the Comstock Load. It was basically free money at the time. That fortune has long since been spent. Nothing so easy is coming again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_Lode

Posted by: too scents | Apr 4 2025 10:47 utc | 320

China to impose 34 % tariffs on america.
Here we go tariff wars.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 4 2025 11:02 utc | 321

Meanwhile… gold price holding steady amid chaos. The capital rotation event is real.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 4 2025 11:13 utc | 322

America in the early 21st century is completely different from America in the late 19th century. For those who think history will repeat itself, I’d like to know how.
I’d say that Trump is gambling that he can intimidate every country to cave in to US demands. If the political class is willing to sell out – something the Canadian political class has done its entire history – then Trump may win his gamble. But I still don’t see how this re-industrializes America. It looks more like the USA plundering everyone else, including all its allies.
Now if this is to be the future of trading relations with the USA(75-25 in favour of America) then is it sustainable in the foreign countries? Can America buy Vichy governments forever? Can it buy any BRIC governments at all? Isn’t the final conclusion for every foreign country the same: it’s better not to trade with America at all? The only question being when individual countries reach this conclusion.
Trump uses threats because he knows this is not mutually beneficial fair trade. It is America plundering everyone else because Trump thinks it can still do this. It seems Al Capone finally made it to the White House.
At least this all gets very simple the moment Trump goes to war with Iran. At that point America is done and its allies either try to abandon ship or go down the black hole western civilisation is heading for.

Posted by: EoinW | Apr 4 2025 11:16 utc | 323

Posted by: physiatrisch | Apr 4 2025 7:32 utc | 313
If Trump imposed sanction on an island in the southern Indian Ocean with a population of penguins, then you know the story of ‘there being no trade between Russia-US’ is BS.
The real reason Trump didn’t impose sanctions on Russia and Belarus is because they already have tons of agreements of US companies operating within those states. I said earlier, US companies also gain access to imports from the wider BRICS (non-west) through Russia.
The EU is still intent on killing itself based on old cold war racism and dichotomies, while US already moved on and wants to survive. Meanwhile US is forcing EU to spend 5% of GDP for military products (large proportion goes to US).
That is why I maintain EU is done, US is in survival/scramble mode but has to sacrifice the imperial possessions, control and currency dominance in the process.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 4 2025 11:18 utc | 324

“Trump taxed penguins today”
The Trump administration put a 10% tariff on (the) McDonald and Heard Islands which are inhabited by seals, penguins and birds.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LKUlwiEp5Ts (lenght: < 1 minute)

Posted by: WMG | Apr 4 2025 11:42 utc | 325

@B: Second picture is missing. Only the 2nd “bigger” picture is available.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 4 2025 11:45 utc | 326

An Economic War Based on Lies
https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2025/04/03/an-economic-war-based-on-lies/
“The president just launched a major economic war for no real reason and he and his allies cooked up bogus numbers to justify their unprovoked aggression. It is an economic war based on lies…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 4 2025 12:15 utc | 327

It seems that the topic chosen by b for today had the merit of attracting economists just as shit attracts flies. I, who understand nothing about economics, can only be amazed at the technical clairvoyance demonstrated by the characters, especially considering that it was the continued performance over time by such characters that led the world economy to the deplorable state in which it finds itself.
I found it very funny the intellectual contortionism that some are capable of in order to identify a Value Added Tax or its American equivalent with import tariffs. I was also amused to see that it seems sensible to some to recall protectionist measures implemented more than a century ago, framed in a completely different reality, to justify similar measures applied today.
For me, who understands nothing about economics, it seems like this:
The delay that the United States has in relation to emerging powers will always take decades to recover. But the effects of the radical measures now taken on the real economy and the standard of living of Western populations will be immediate and will have short-term consequences too.
Tariffs will affect retail prices and consequently further reduce the standard of living, regardless of the speculation that will be expected from greedy traders. This fact will make it difficult for American companies to sell their products on the domestic market and will lead to a series of bankruptcies, which will not help the real economy at all. Discontent and anger will grow further in a country already on the brink of civil war. I think it was to avoid internal problems of this kind that some countries, like Mexico, chose not to respond to the US in kind. I don’t think it was out of fear but because they were more sensible and intelligent.
Europe, regardless of how its corrupt leaders behave, will also be severely affected in its imports to the US and this will accelerate the downfall of its fragile economies. The flight of many companies to the US or China will accelerate their deindustrialization. In due time the carefully assembled propaganda edifice will be powerless to contain the revolt of the populations and we will have the pitchforks and guillotines (or their equivalents) that we had in the past. The EU will be dismantled and countries will regain their sovereignty, which will end up being good, but at a very high price due mainly to the greed and stupidity of almost everyone, rulers and ruled. There could be even worse possibilities, if European elites conclude that the only way to save their asses is to go to suicidal war with Russia.
In the end all empires come to an end and they invariably end in violence and confusion. As the Chinese say to those they don’t like, “live in interesting times.”

Posted by: José Neto | Apr 4 2025 12:17 utc | 328

I also agree with trump … A win win, whats not to like ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 4 2025 7:23 utc | 311
Agreed. Hopefully we drop the US demand that we put up trade barriers to China and start negotiations with BYD and Geely motors to build assembly plants in Canada.
We’re resource rich and cash poor and the Chinese are resource poor with money to burn.
maybe they’ll spring for a southern border wall as well?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 4 2025 12:28 utc | 329

“The world’s trade surplus with the United States is $1.1 trillion a year. This means that the US carries more than it takes out.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 4 2025 10:32 utc | 32
What a bunch of bullshit.
Back in the 1980’s it was a US ecomonic strategy to VOLUNTARILY offshore heavy industry and manufacturing.
The this strategy got around high labour costs, outdated mills and factories, pension liability, environmental laws, taxes and the prime real estate these factories stood on could now be redeveloped for a profit.
They were able to get their products made for pennies on the dollar in China but sell in the USA and US prices.
I remember back in 1986 debating whether we could survive as a service economy and being told by more “educated” friends that the chinese were unable to innovate therefore we would always have the jobs of designing and marketing what the Chinese made for us.
So now the more “educated” among us claim that the USA was the victim of it’s own fucking economic policy simply because they were outplayed by the Chinese.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 4 2025 12:42 utc | 330

US 1 year treasury yield has fallen to 3.76%, which is over 50 bps under Fed funds rate. Emergency rate cut incoming, perhaps.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 4 2025 12:43 utc | 331

What is the return of investment for Black Rock to control the canal?
It’s huge.
Posted by: canuck | Apr 3 2025 18:04 utc | 217
The Chinese blocked the deal. The ports are still in China’s hands and Blackrock is SOL.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 4 2025 12:49 utc | 332

How is Canada going to get that oil to China?
Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 3 2025 20:29 utc | 240
Trans mountain pipeline from Alberta to Pacific tidewater. It was built in the 1950’s and expanded to triple the capacity in 2024.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 4 2025 12:54 utc | 333

Trump just said on X that his policies ‘will never change’. This message was directed at foreign investors.
I guess he wants US dollar to go lower.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 4 2025 13:01 utc | 334

Chinese factories, shipping companies and suppliers are telling US retail companies that they are not going to pay for tariffs.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 3 2025 15:59 utc | 166
Of course they aren’t … that’s like demanding your employer pay your income tax. You can stomp your foot and demand they pay it but come April 30 it’s your problem.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 4 2025 13:04 utc | 335

Global Times: Latest News
https://x.com/globaltimesnews/status/1908101566542045360
“China will impose an additional 34 percent tariff on all imported goods originating from the US, based on the current applicable tariff rates, the Customs Tariff Commission of the State Council announced on Friday, in response to the US ‘reciprocal tariffs’ against Chinese imports to the US announced on Wednesday…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 4 2025 13:04 utc | 336

Some analytics firms says the price of iPhones in US will rise from $1000 to $3500 due to tariff effects. Ok…
https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1908125260714500337

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 4 2025 13:11 utc | 337

If you understood Trump you would realise that this is an almost arbitrary point for the start for negotiation purposes. Ity has certainly got everyone’s attention and snap judgements from markets simply expose their crude understanding of Trumponomics.
Posted by: Peter Plail | Apr 4 2025 7:58 utc | 316
So when I go to buy a new truck this spring I should start negotiations by kicking the salesman in the nuts?
Brilliant strategy … if the kick in the nuts isn’t working should I torture a small animal in front of him or just pay his price?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 4 2025 13:29 utc | 338

A kick in the nuts works wonders with any salesman, and has the added benefit of being much deserved.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 4 2025 13:43 utc | 339

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 4 2025 12:42 utc | 331
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Prerogative of Empire. Accountability became optional after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
No one can expect a country that potentially flips it’s Executive every 4 years to have any continuity of policy.
China lifted itself out of poverty, survived the century of humiliation, and is pursuing post scarcity all since Nixon went to China.
of course America is upset. Wait until they meet China in a military conflict.
The sulk and propaganda will go into overdrive when the myth of American military supremacy is questioned. That’s the moment the nukes may come out, as baby throws all of the toys out of the pram.
People are starting to wake up to the idea that being the reserve currency can be toxic. The world craves balance. Wielding monopoly becomes a slow acting poison.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 14:22 utc | 340

I urge everyone to check out the plan for the implementation of the Mar-a-Lago Accord – a strategy by S. Miran, the current chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, an agency within the Executive Office of the US President:
https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/documents/FG/hudsonbay/research/638199_A_Users_Guide_to_Restructuring_the_Global_Trading_System.pdf
It’s 40 pages but you can get a summary here:
https://vinacapital.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/20241129-Summary-of-A-Users-guide.pdf

The “User’s Guide” policy paper essentially proposes using tariffs as a negotiation tool to drive down the dollar’s value via a “Mar-a-Lago Accord.” In short, the overvaluation of the USD discourages manufacturing/production in the US , which in-turn is because an overly strong USD makes it cheaper for US consumers to buy imported products than to buy products that are produced domestically.
Most economists believe the USD is overvalued by about 25%, so a circa 20% depreciation in the USD is probably a prerequisite to achieving Trump’s goal of re-shoring jobs to the US (JD Vance has also, often repeatedly mentioned3 that an over-valued USD inhibits re-shoring manufacturing jobs in the industrial “rust belt” of the US).

Or, if you prefer listening to it, then have a look at Miran presenting it himself:
https://youtu.be/65aE9KFMR3Y

Posted by: Zet | Apr 4 2025 14:54 utc | 341

No, I have never had a Twitter or X account.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 4 2025 6:32 utc | 306
Ah, ok, I was just surprised to see someone with the (nearly) same name float by on X… 🙂

Posted by: Zet | Apr 4 2025 14:55 utc | 342

Most economists believe the USD is overvalued by about 25%
Posted by: Zet | Apr 4 2025 14:54 utc | 342

Most storytellers believe that Jack got 3 beans for his cow.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 4 2025 14:57 utc | 343

From ZH

Update (0949ET):
President Trump wrote on Truth Social that China “played it wrong” after Beijing announced retaliatory tariffs on imported US goods earlier this morning.
“They panicked,” Trump said, adding, “The one thing they cannot afford to do!”

Trump the bully is going to end up eating his own BS, I think.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 4 2025 15:01 utc | 344

Most storytellers believe that Jack got 3 beans for his cow.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 4 2025 14:57 utc | 344
And most Zets believe that if you want to understand what’s behind Trumps actions, it might help to read the papers of their advisers.
YMMV.

Posted by: Zet | Apr 4 2025 15:07 utc | 345

it might help to read the papers of their advisers.
Posted by: Zet | Apr 4 2025 15:07 utc | 346

Why? They are certifiable morons.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 4 2025 15:12 utc | 346

Some betray their Western bias when they only talk about half of the ledger.
Yes Black Rock could gain from receiving Chinese infrastructure at major ports on the cheap.
No one asks what the Chinese would lose, and what they may do about it.
I don’t think folks understand that China has a massive navy and no one is taking Chinese assets by force on the seas without a lot of shooting.
Unless Black Rock has secret alien technologies, no one is taking China’s stuff. It’s like a tall kid holding something too high up for the shorter kid to reach it.
My dear friend, Canuck, has fallen into what I consider the “Scott Ritter trap” where he ignores the abilities and incentives of the other party opposite America. Scott does it with Russia but refuses to do the same with Iran and China.
In analysis, bias and emotion create blind spots. Inaccurate analysis gets people killed and conflicts lost.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 15:18 utc | 347

psychohistorian | Apr 4 2025 15:01 utc | 345–
“Chinese market regulator launches anti-monopoly probe into DuPont” reads one Global Times headline today. The item’s short text implies that the investigation is tied to Trump’s unconstitutional tariff order. I expect the order’s constitutionality to be severely challenged in courts nationally during the next week and for several injunctions to be ordered. An indicator of national sentiment was made by the Senate which passed a bill to rescind the reason why the executive was given the authority to override the sole authority of Congress to enact taxes in which tariffs are one form–that reason was only in a declared emergency. The rationale provided by Trump for the existence of an emergency condition doesn’t fit the statute as many have noted.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 4 2025 15:30 utc | 348

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 4 2025 11:18 utc | 325
You are right, Europe is going to a suicide path because we, or at least, our governments opted to marry the Russia bad, China bad propaganda from US.
As a matter of fact USA had possibly served themselves on a plate to be destroyed.
Europe should say fuck USA, reversing the Nuland saying and restart relations with Russia and China and the brics.
Europe is not going to do that, unfortunately.

Posted by: Mario | Apr 4 2025 15:55 utc | 349

One simply cannot assume that trade imbalances flow from foreign protection, as Trump’s AI tariff formula does. Poor countries might sell to US and use the money to buy cheaper goods elsewhere, and then elsewhere trades with US because they can afford US goods. Attempting to make every trade account balance is like trying to revert to barter economy, where every transaction must be balanced in real goods. And the truth is, barter economies never existed. We went from gift economies to credit economies, which many don’t seem to comprehend, but it couldn’t be any other way. Actually, US (overall) benefits from high deficits–what it means is that our currency is so valuable for trading and saving we reap a benefit from it. The new tariffs are knocking the house down with the residents inside. Targeted tariffs are useful for infant industry protection, but across-the-board tariffs are economic terrorism.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Apr 4 2025 16:03 utc | 350

Trump is now calling Fed chairman Powell to cut interest rate, citing falling inflation in energy, and rising jobs numbers.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 4 2025 16:07 utc | 351

@motorslug #202
China has coal, but it has no oil or natural gas to speak of. That’s why they are now the largest oil importer on earth and the largest LNG importer, although the EU uses more natural gas (at least, used to lol).
Hydropower: yes and no. Yes there is water. But it is generally far away from the people and highly seasonal.
Timber: trees are a resource but are not a major requirement for industrialized nations.
China is the largest importer of iron ore, of bauxite (aluminum ore), of copper, of pretty much any non-rare earth metal you can think of.
China also imports more food than anyone else.
So: food, energy, metals – only the things needed for a modern industrial society.
But other than that, they are fine!

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:11 utc | 352

@bisfugged #203
Massive debt is only a problem if it is denominated in a foreign currency you cannot devalue away.
Or if you are dumb and go hard money.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:12 utc | 353

As Trump’s Tariffs Take Effect Stellantis Announces Thousands of Layoffs in Canada, Mexico and US
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/04/04/wpbp-a04.html
“The cuts are the predictable result of the disruption caused by the tariffs, which amount to a declaration of economic war by the Trump administration against the rest of the world.
Trump, who has the support of major union heads, including Fain and Teamsters President Sean O’Brien, is aiming to create a Fortress North America in preparation for world war against its global capitalist rivals.
These cuts are only a foretaste of the jobs bloodbath that is coming…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 4 2025 16:14 utc | 354

Simplicius has a brief, interesting and (for me) informative post on the subject.
He explains the issue for the self-defeating problem of attempting to retain the role of global reserve currency and what are the near term objectives.

Posted by: jared | Apr 4 2025 16:16 utc | 355

@bisfugged #206
No part of what you wrote is accurate.
Consumer spending can trivially be rerouted to buy domestically produced goods rather than imports.
Equally, gold is a terrible investment because it only matches the pace of inflation – it does not outpace it.
People who have lots of money, love the idea of hard currencies and gold because it cements their outsize money’s power.
People who don’t have lots of money and who love gold are just stupid.
Great Reset is a moronic idea for people with zero understanding of how actual economies work, how actual money – both hard and fiat – actually works.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:17 utc | 356

Posted by: Mario | Apr 4 2025 15:55 utc | 350
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Europe doesn’t have a proper Executive.
No one to lead except for a few shrewish bureaucrats who love to give televised speeches. They don’t have absolute authority over much
Europe is an abstraction of states. France has little in common with Greece or Finland with Portugal.
I believe it was designed this way on purpose.
Ironically, Africa is closer as a Continent than Europe is.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 16:20 utc | 357

Trump does not have to fix the problem (of loss of manufacturing and insolvency), he only needs to put the country and on a sustainable heading. I think that he thinks that collaboration with Russia would also be a good step in the right direction.

Posted by: jared | Apr 4 2025 16:20 utc | 358

Why? They are certifiable morons.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 4 2025 15:12 utc | 347
Well, that applies to half of the posters here too and you’re still reading 😉
Anyway, probably better to talk about islands full of penguins which actually did export products worth $1.4 million to the US in 2022 according to World Bank – who would’ve thought that a bunch of flightless seabirds is trading on the global markets?

Posted by: Zet | Apr 4 2025 16:21 utc | 359

@HB_Norica #213

In order to attract industry you have to reason to locate to the USA.

The incentive is to be able to sell to the largest economy on earth, at least at the moment. Even when China takes the lead, the US will still be a large, rich country.

This isn’t 1919 or 1946 when the rest of the industrialized world was devastated by war and the USA was the only industrialized country left standing. Today you have competition.

Total non sequitur. The US WAS the largest manufacturing country on Earth before WW2. It was the largest manufacturing country on earth before WW1. It just got even bigger, afterwards in both instances.

Businesses need access to raw materials, a skilled well educated workforce, transportation infrastructure, minimal red tape. The USA strikes out on all of these catagories compared to other countries.

The US has raw materials. The US has skilled, educated people although the skilled ones are getting long in the tooth. But not dead yet. And the educated can be educated in the factories as easily as they can in schools. China, in contrast, did not have raw materials. They did not have skilled people although they had educated people.
As for red tape – what do you think happens to red tape when the federal enforcer agencies are all gutted?

Some countries will respond to threats and bullying and re-locate to the USA but they’re not going to compete in the global market and the USA is only 4% of the world market today so either they are satisfied selling only to Americans or they’re going to go broke paying tariffs on importing raw materials, high labour costs then getting their products to market through some of the most inefficient ports in the world.

And that’s fine. Anyone who does not want to sell to the US, doesn’t have to. Trump’s and Bessent’s thesis is that many/most will want to.
Raw material costs increased due to tariffs: irrelevant because the same item made with the same material, in the US vs. outside the US – the material costs are identical in world market price plus tariff terms. Fail.
High labor costs: Germany has high labor costs. Yet it was the 2nd largest exporter, after China, at least until Nord Stream “mysteriously” blew up.
Japan also has high labor costs and literally neither energy nor raw materials on their little islands.
So no, can’t say that the tired, stupid globalist trope about high labor costs is an issue.
If these are the best arguments you can steal from dumbfucks like Krugman, you’re going to have to try A LOT harder.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:27 utc | 360

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:17 utc | 358
I haven’t calculated CAGR myself, but financial analysts say gold delivers around 9% P.A. over the long term. It always matches monetary inflation. The thing with gold is that it tends to deliver over a period of 5 – 8 years, and it can remain dormant for years. But it eventually matches monetary inflation. So timing is important.
Based on analytics I follow I guess gold can outperform stocks for the next 2 – 3 years (till 2027-2028).

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 4 2025 16:29 utc | 361

@Tom Pfotzer #216

Never said it did. What it “has to do with” is _blocking Trump_. Tariffs are going to cause a lot of dislocation, and Americans are going to feel some pain, Trump’s adversaries (which are legion, and gathering themselves to defeat him and his political allies) are going to use that pain to divide Trump’s supporters while strengthening his adversaries.

From my standpoint, if this is the best that the Democrats and Trump haters can do after Russiagate, after 2 impeachments, after mass mail-in ballots, after enormous lawfare, after big tech bans – LOL and good luck with that.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:30 utc | 362

Americans stil think they have the largest economy in 2025. 😂😂😂
Like they think that they “won” WW2.
I should feel bad about laughing at retards but after seeing what America is doing in Gaza, I feel fine.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 16:31 utc | 363

@james #227
Any kind of reset requires the powers that be – the elites and their immediate minions – either be killed or overcome in some other way. Because these are the ones who already have the money and power and therefore zero interest in changing the status quo.
I don’t see any evidence whatsoever of such a revolution – in the French and November revolution sense, brewing.
Note I am not saying that a reset would not work. But if you want to talk about suffering, let’s consider how fucked most retirees would be in a reset situation. Disabled? Shit outta luck. Welfare? nah gah happen. So it isn’t just the top 10%, but a very large other percent of the population that would mostly not be interested in revolution.
And I don’t believe at all that a reset MUST happen. pre-Hitler Germany happened because of the Versailles treaty and its massive foreign denominated debt. The same goes for the Latin countries in their multiple crises from the 80s onward, and Argentina today. But none of these conditions apply to the US.
Even what Trump is looking to do is not a reset – it is more like a reconditioning of the existing system. It is a change from “Let’s spend lots of blood and treasure to try and dominate the whole world” to “Let’s focus on what’s immediately good for America and Americans”.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:35 utc | 364

Nike surging, after Vietnam government says they want to cut the Vietnamese tariffs and make a deal with Trump.
I think we will see more countries folding over coming weeks, and Trump will get a streak of Wins.
https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1908175336807776675

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 4 2025 16:41 utc | 365

@unimperator #363

I haven’t calculated CAGR myself, but financial analysts say gold delivers around 9% P.A. over the long term.

The problem with “long term” is that you can not achieve said CAGR unless you bought gold in the 1970s, before the first speculative bubble. If you bought gold in 1980 – you would not have gotten your original price back for 25 years and you certainly would not have achieved 9% CAGR.

It always matches monetary inflation. The thing with gold is that it tends to deliver over a period of 5 – 8 years, and it can remain dormant for years. But it eventually matches monetary inflation. So timing is important.

No it does not. It matches liquidity, which is not precisely the same thing although related. Furthermore inflation is not just due to money printing but also things like productivity, growth of population etc.
There is NOTHING mechanistic about the price of gold – it is subject to bubbles like anything else.

Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:47 utc | 366

who would’ve thought that a bunch of flightless seabirds is trading on the global markets?
Posted by: Zet | Apr 4 2025 16:21 utc | 361

Who’da thunk it? Everyone that has seen it, or enabled it.

Swatch Faces Complaint Over Taxes
Former Managers in Asia Allege Use of Transfer Pricing To Evade Customs Duties

Aug. 13, 2004 8:50 am ET
Swatch Group has evaded taxes and customs duties totaling millions of dollars through extensive use of transfer pricing in its Asian-Pacific operations, two former Swatch managers allege in a complaint filed with the U.S. Labor Department.
The complaint — filed June 25 under the U.S. Sarbanes-Oxley statute, which offers various protections for workers who blow the whistle on corporate wrongdoing — charges that the big Swiss watchmaker used its British Virgin Islands subsidiary, Swatch Group Asia Inc., to evade taxes and duties in several countries, including the U.S.
The complaint also alleges that Swatch Group’s senior management attempted to cover up the purported tax-evasion activities in April, after the two employees complained to their superiors about the practice. The alleged coverup attempt entailed Swatch’s incorporating new companies in Hong Kong and Taiwan to take over the role played by the group’s wholly owned unit, Swatch Group Asia.
continues ==> https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB109240036545290965

Transfer pricing is a standard practice since forever.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 4 2025 16:55 utc | 367

Who didn’t see this coming?

US is burning through its munition in Yemen, leaving it without precision weapons to confront China
– US already emptied much of its weapon stockpiles after 3 years of proxy war against Russia
– Now US needs antimony and other rare earth metals from China to rearm to fight China

https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1908183256933028220

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 16:56 utc | 368

“Let’s focus on what’s immediately good for America and Americans”.
Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:35 utc | 366

More like “Let’s circle the wagons around our still existing income streams”.
When their unearned income ends Tinkerbell dies and the elites lose their money and power.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 4 2025 17:03 utc | 369

Transfer pricing is a standard practice since forever.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 4 2025 16:55 utc | 369
Sure, but still people have been discussing it here (or on MSM) ad nauseam yesterday. But go on, discuss obvious things or watch your belly button do funny moves while you breath 🙂

Posted by: Zet | Apr 4 2025 17:10 utc | 370

Trump’s tariffs are like burning down the house to cook a steak. Well done, not medium rare either.

Posted by: Trisha | Apr 4 2025 17:37 utc | 371

Zet ( Apr 4 2025 16:21 utc | 361 ) wrote:

Anyway, probably better to talk about islands full of penguins which actually did export products worth $1.4 million to the US in 2022 according to World Bank – who would’ve thought that a bunch of flightless seabirds is trading on the global markets?

Would be interesting to know what is being traded.
I did a quick search for “selling Australian penguin poop” but didn’t find anyone exporting it.
Maybe things like this is what “AI” is for?
🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 4 2025 18:44 utc | 372

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 4 2025 18:44 utc | 374
According to World Bank it’s electronic equipment & machine parts… I guess somebody made some mistake filling out some form or tried to evade sanctions. Whatever…
I’m with Varoufakis on this theater:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FisWeqvblvQ

Posted by: Zet | Apr 4 2025 19:39 utc | 373

After messing about with the search request I did find a nice and somewhat informative article from the Sydney Morning Herald titled “The tiny Australian islands no one expected to draw Trump’s fury”.
It mentions Heard and McDonald islands, Cocos and Christmas islands, Norfolk Island, and also non-Australian examples like the Falkland Islands, Svalbard, and Jan Mayen.
Some quotes from the article:

“Norfolk Island officially recorded $411,000 in leather shoe exports in 2023. A federal government spokesperson said there are no known exports from Norfolk Island to the US, and no tariffs or known non-tariff barriers on goods coming to Norfolk Island.”

And:

“Norfolk Island administrator George Plant, who serves as the federal government’s representative on the island, said he was among the locals “scratching our heads” following the tariff announcement.”

And also:

“Prominent British historian Simon Schama noted the Heard and McDonald islands tariff and what it might mean to its fauna.
“This just about sums it all up – 10 per cent tariff on Heard and McDonald islands, which are completely unpopulated. Bit hard on the penguins though to have their guano tariffed,” he said on X.
The Australian Antarctic Division confirmed there are no people on the two islands at present.”

Still mysterious 🙂
What exactly did the World Bank say?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 4 2025 19:40 utc | 374

Zet ( Apr 4 2025 19:39 utc | 375 ):
Thanks for the additional info.
I wrote a comment before seeing that, it asked for exactly that information 🙂
It got stuck in the filter (maybe because of the article I linked?) and might appear later.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 4 2025 19:57 utc | 375

And that’s fine. Anyone who does not want to sell to the US, doesn’t have to.
Posted by: c1ue | Apr 4 2025 16:27 utc | 362
That’s not exactly how it works.
You say that raw material costs don’t matter … they sure do when the sole source supplier is China and as of two days ago you have to change all the numbers on your spreadsheet to reflect a paying 64% tariff to import numbers after yesterday’s news. Lets leave this aside for a moment and I’ll agree for now that raw material costs don’t count.
I worked as a construction estimator in commercial and industrial construction. When I price a job I build the job in my head and figure the costs of labour, materials and then add OH&P. that’s not the end of it though. I have a “degree of difficulty” factor as a line item on my estimates
I have to consider who I’m going to be dealing with. Who is the prime contractor, who is the owner, how fast do they pay, how easy are the local union officials to deal with, who is the superintendent, what kind of guys will the union send me.
If you think those companies you expect to come running to the USA don’t have the same shit list as I do you are naive. The USA goes through more mood swings than a bipolar woman with PMS. Every 4 years there is the potential of some sort of new war on something or somebody like a trade war with the world or sanctions against a key supplier.
If you create a production facility you want STABILITY for at least the 20-30 years of economic life of the endeavour you’ve invested in.
If you’re a German car manufacturer for instance you have to consider if you really want to get in bed with the psycos who destroyed your gas pipeline and ruined your relationship with your key raw materials supplier.
I’m not saying they won’t build the plant but you sure as hell will be paying the “degree of difficulty” price for the vehicles they build.
Consider TSMC who are having cost overruns, delays and union problems at their Arizona construction sites. Today they just got whacked with a 65% increase in price for the raw silicon they import from China plus a 32% tariff on everything they have to bring over from Taiwan to finish the job.
I seriously doubt they had a budget for those cost increases and if they didn’t build the factory and just kept making chips in Taiwan they would avoid tariffs on their raw materials and let the manufacturers of the finished products worry about the tariffs.
I guarantee you businesses considering a move to the USA are watching this situation close and adjustin g their costs as we speak.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 4 2025 19:57 utc | 376

Brazil do have an import tax that varies from 50% to 75%!

Posted by: Zico the Musketeer | Apr 4 2025 20:20 utc | 377

China🇨🇳 implemented a zero-tariff policy for 100% of products from 33 least-developed African countries.
US🇺🇸 imposed 10% baseline tariffs on all imports from 32 low-income African countries.
Africa cannot be blamed for choosing China🇨🇳 over the rest🫴

Where America retreats, China advances. That’s the benefit of operating with a long-term plan.
That’s the Art of the Deal.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 20:40 utc | 378

Explaining more clearly.
African countries can sell whatever they want as much as they want to China to offset the pain of losing the American market.
I suspect that will help China when it comes to negotiating to build ports and develop mineral resources.
America has zero soft power these days. It is all stick and no carrot.
All win-lose. Lonely perspective, which is fine until someone needs cooperation and help, as everyone eventually does.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 20:43 utc | 379

I have a suspicion that no one in Trump’s cabinet is aware of this.

Moscow just passed Hong Kong to become the world’s #2 city for billionaires—now home to 90 of them, worth a combined $409B, per
@Forbes
Sanctions? What sanctions? The super rich are doing just fine.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 20:55 utc | 380

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 20:43 utc | 380
> African countries can sell whatever they want as much as they want to China to offset the pain of losing the American market.
In what currency will China pay? In yuan? What can Africans do with yuan? Buy US dollars?

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 4 2025 21:18 utc | 381

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 4 2025 21:18 utc | 382
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I assume RMB. They can buy any of the thousands of finished goods they lack, like tractors, weapons, and construction materials.
People still use dollars. America cannot prevent trade in them between states that use alternative (BRICS) clearing mechanisms.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 21:23 utc | 382

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 4 2025 19:57 utc | 377
> I guarantee you businesses considering a move to the USA are watching this situation close and adjustin g their costs as we speak.
Why everybody is so worked up and hyperventilating at the US introducing import duties?
Import duties are normal thing all countries have them. Imported goods will become more expensive, so what.
Prices have been going up for some time on everything anyway for all kinds of reasons. Among the reasons were green carbon taxes that were super fine and welcome. Carbon tax good, import duties bad. Blech.

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 4 2025 21:37 utc | 383

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 4 2025 21:23 utc | 383
> I assume RMB. They can buy any of the thousands of finished goods they lack, like tractors, weapons, and construction materials.
I assume they can buy all of that from China. Which makes that a barter trade in essence. Well if it works it works. As long as China has all what they need.
> People still use dollars. America cannot prevent trade in them between states that use alternative (BRICS) clearing mechanisms.
I am not sure that BRICS can clear transactions in US dollars. Is that legal?

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 4 2025 21:47 utc | 384

JD Vance is a racist

JD Vance says we “borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy what they manufacture.” But it wasn’t peasants who gutted Ohio—it was Bain Capital. Here’s a thread on rage, lies, and economic cosplay.

https://x.com/longshortgamma/status/1908074870203920577

🇨🇳 Chinese Peasants!!!
“We borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy the things those Chinese peasants manufacture”

More from the victim Americans. THEY ARE TAKING OUR JERBS!!!
Meanwhile, China has practically no homelessness, everyone has healthcare, tons of clean energy, education is free, and the cities look like they are from the future.
Meanwhile, MAGAs think JD will make a great next President. LOL
I’d like to see JD kill some Arab Christians for Israel before I sign off on his campaign, even via coward mode by missile, bomb, or drone strike Trump-style. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2025 1:55 utc | 385

Which makes that a barter trade in essence.

I am not sure that BRICS can clear transactions in US dollars. Is that legal?
Posted by: hopehely | Apr 4 2025 21:47 utc | 385
#########
Barter is trade. Currency is just a medium of exchange. A shared abstraction between the two transacting parties.
It could be dollars, golf balls, swiss cheese, anything can be used as a medium of exchange if both parties agree to it.
Legal? LOL
I am sure Trump will lose his mind if people continue to regularly trade outside of the dollar. What can he do about it? Call the Cyber Police?
If so, consequences will never be the same.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2025 2:06 utc | 386

You can’t rebuild an economy with tariffs when the factory’s gone, the workers are broke, and Wall Street owns the land.
China knows this. That’s why it’s winning.
Trump’s tariffs won’t rebuild the U.S.
It’s imperial decline wrapped in red, white, and blue.
🧵
1/6 Protectionism Without Production
Tariffs signal the end of a unipolar economic model that enriched a domestic rentier elite while hollowing out productive capacity.
After decades of outsourcing and gutting public infrastructure, the U.S. is now trying to patch up a decaying economy with trade barriers.
It’s not reindustrialization—it’s damage control.
You don’t regrow a burned down forest by fencing off the ashes.
Meanwhile, China played the long game: investing in productive forces, building industrial ecosystems, and shielding its economy from Western financial capture—ensuring that sovereignty over industry remains a matter of state strategy not market whim.
While America played empire, China played industry.
Now one prints sanctions, the other prints steel.
2/6 Preservation of Class Power, Not National Industry
These tariffs aren’t about rebuilding the economy. They’re about protecting the profit margins of bloated monopolies that hollowed it out in the first place.
The American elite seeks to contain economic fallout without altering the structures of class domination that caused it.
Tariffs that protect monopolies without discipline simply create new rentier fiefdoms.
By contrast, China disciplines capital.
Firms are expected to serve national development goals, not extract maximum short-term profit. Capital is subordinate to the strategic needs of the state, not the other way around.
3/6 Trump’s Tariffs Undermine U.S. Financial Hegemony
In weaponizing trade, the U.S. is hastening the decline of its own global position.
Each new tariff drives targeted nations to reduce their dependence on the dollar, build alternative institutions, and deepen regional alliances.
Tariffs fuel the very breakup of U.S. financial empire they’re meant to defend.
While the U.S. imposes sanctions, China builds supply chains—promoting yuan-based trade, launching competing platforms, and embedding itself into Eurasian, African, and Latin American trade corridors that bypass Western chokepoints.
4/6 Tariffs Accelerate Revolt in the Periphery
Global South countries now face a choice: remain subordinate to an extractive system in decline, or align with emerging centers of capital and sovereignty.
U.S. tariffs serve as a catalyst—forcing nations to confront the costs of dependency.
You can’t sanction the world and expect loyalty in return.
China offers what the empire never did: infrastructure without subjugation. It doesn’t ask for loyalty—it offers co-development under shifting global terms.
While Washington is building walls and bombs, Beijing is building roads.
5/6 No Strategic Depth
A tariff is a tactic, not a strategy. Real development requires control over finance, coordinated public investment, long-term technological goals, and the insulation of key sectors from external shocks.
The U.S. has none of this. It operates on quarterly earnings and election cycles, not national development horizons.
Tariffs without structural change are just nationalist theater performed for a decaying electorate.
China plans in decades, not quarters. It integrates trade, infrastructure, education, and labor development under a unified vision—driven by statecraft, not market speculation.
6/6 Tariffs Alone Won’t Build a New Order—They’re Clinging to the Old One
What the U.S. seeks with tariffs is not a new system—it’s a restoration of lost dominance.
But the material base for that dominance—productive industry, global goodwill, internal unity—is gone.
Without changing the parasitic structure of the US financial sector, tariffs are just symptoms of decay.
They don’t redirect finance toward industry.
They don’t insulate key sectors from speculation.
And they do nothing to make U.S. labor competitive.
American workers aren’t “too expensive” because of wages or tariffs—they’re crushed by debt, rent, insurance premiums, and financial extraction.
The real drag isn’t a trade imbalance—it’s the US financial sector bleeding the real economy dry.
Tariffs are a nationalist reflex in a system still ruled by Wall Street.
Meanwhile, China isn’t trying to revive the old order—it’s building a new one.
It’s crafting a multipolar economy rooted in sovereign development, technological self-reliance, and coordinated diplomacy—backed by real productive capacity, not nostalgia.
Without structural change, tariffs are just noise on the way down.

https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1908255643552653683
I was going to jokingly suggest today that if tariffs don’t work out, America may be wise to join BRICS to have an ecosystem to plug into.
But after reading this post, I realize that Western economies are dominated by financialization. The Global South is moving away from dominance by bankers and Ponzi schemes.
China and Russia keep corporations and capital working for the society and do not allow them to gain leverage over the government. China is better at it than Russia, but Russia will continue to learn from China and improve its performance.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2025 5:09 utc | 387

Marcus Strom
@strom_m
Hearing reports of big demos against the tariffs on Heard Island
https://x.com/strom_m/status/1907948172070297692

Posted by: Menz | Apr 5 2025 9:47 utc | 388

April 4, 2025
Chinese-Produced “Made in USA” Stickers Now 34% More Expensive

American manufacturers will be slapped with an extra 34% charge on the little stickers they put on their products to show they are made in the USA.
The stickers, made in a factory in Guangdong Province, were previously shipped to the US tariff-free, but will now be hit by Donald Trump’s new levy, forcing US producers to raise the price of their goods.
One American manufacturer said they had looked into buying the stickers from a US-based factory, but quickly discovered they were too expensive.
“Turns out making stickers is not something US companies can do affordably, so we’re going to have to continue buying the stickers from China, just with a 34% price premium, which is fantastic. Happy Liberation Day!” a spokesperson for the manufacturer said.
https://theshovel.com.au/2025/04/04/chinese-produced-made-in-usa-stickers-now-34-more-expensive/

Posted by: Menz | Apr 5 2025 10:04 utc | 389

Keating says Trump’s tariffs mean death knell for NATO and ANZUS
April 4, 2025
Former Australian prime minister Paul Keating says Donald Trump’s neo-Monroeism has made it clear that America now calls only the Western hemisphere home.
Earlier in the day, Trump announced in Washington that the US would levy tariffs on a large number of countries from around the world.
He called it Liberation Day, and claimed, incorrectly that the tariffs would address “horrendous imbalances” in trade deals.
Australia was hit with a 10% tariff on all its exports, and so was the UK and New Zealand. However, China was hit with a 34% tariff while both the EU countries and India were levied a 20% tariff.
Keating said in a statement: “Today’s tariff announcements change the world’s geo-economic settings and, with it, the world’s geo-strategic settings.
“Trump’s new economic fortress America, by its design, winds off its principal economic and strategic partner, Europe, leaving China as the sole promoter of free and open international trade.
“This will be a rallying point for the global South.”
Keating added that the announcement represented the effective death knell of NATO, “a severing that will inform all other allied relationships with America including ANZUS with Australia”.
“If NATO, America’s principal strategic alliance, is expendable, what credible rationale could underpin US fidelity to ANZUS and with it, to Australia?” he questioned.
“Australia’s clutch of Austral-Americans, that phalanx of American acolytes, must have choked on their breakfasts, as Donald Trump laid out his blitzkrieg on globalisation, with all its implications for the rupture of co-operation and goodwill among nations.”
https://johnmenadue.com/post/2025/04/keating-says-trumps-tariffs-mean-death-knell-for-nato-and-anzus/

Posted by: Menz | Apr 5 2025 10:19 utc | 390

Apologies for not closing the bold correctly.

Posted by: Menz | Apr 5 2025 10:20 utc | 391

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs
Published Apr 04, 2025 at 10:13 AM EDT
Updated Apr 04, 2025 at 5:27 PM EDT
California Governor Gavin Newsom said he has directed his administration to “look at new opportunities to expand trade” as he tries to steer his state around President Donald Trump’s sprawling import tariffs.
Why It Matters
California, the world’s fifth-largest economy, plays a crucial role in driving U.S. economic growth. As the largest importer and second-largest exporter among U.S. states, with over $675 billion in two-way trade, it holds significant economic influence. Therefore, Trump’s tariffs could have a major impact, potentially increasing costs for California businesses, disrupting global supply chains, and putting pressure on vital industries within the state.
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In response, White House spokesperson Kush Desai told Fox News: “Gavin Newsom should focus on out-of-control homelessness, crime, regulations, and unaffordability in California instead of trying his hand at international dealmaking.”
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A Newsom official also told Fox News that the new Trump tariffs will hinder access to essential supplies, like construction materials, needed to rebuild after the Los Angeles wildfires. The U.S. currently imposes a 14 percent duty on Canadian lumber, with the rate possibly rising to nearly 27 percent this year.
State officials also expressed concern that retaliatory tariffs will cause significant disruptions to supply chains between California and Baja, arguing that taxing goods each time they cross the border will raise final product prices, ultimately impacting Californians.
Retaliatory tariffs on U.S. goods are expected to hit California especially hard, with major impacts on agriculture, manufacturing, and trade, according to the San Francisco Chronicle and Los Angeles Times.
The state’s almond industry, its top export crop, is particularly vulnerable. Almond exports were valued at $4.7 billion in 2022, supporting 110,000 jobs and contributing $9.2 billion to California’s GDP. With 76 percent of the world’s almonds grown in California—and most exported—trade restrictions could cost the industry up to $875 million, according to a UC Davis study.
Other food prices may also rise. Ninety percent of avocados consumed in the U.S. come from Mexico, so restrictions could drive up prices and reduce consumption. Similarly, California milk prices could increase if tariffs make canola from Canada more expensive, forcing farmers to switch to pricier alternatives.
The wine and alcohol industries face rising costs as well. Tariffs on European wines may lead California winemakers to hike prices, while reliance on imported materials like corks, glass, and capsules from Mexico and Canada could further push prices upward.
Beyond agriculture, the state’s manufacturing sector—especially in Los Angeles—is at risk. The region employed over 313,000 manufacturing workers last year and plays a central role in California’s $1 trillion county economy. Economist Jock O’Connell warned that reduced imports and exports could lead to fewer jobs at ports and throughout supply chains, especially in the Inland Empire.
MORE…
https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414

Posted by: Menz | Apr 5 2025 10:29 utc | 392

Why everybody is so worked up and hyperventilating at the US introducing import duties?
Posted by: hopehely | Apr 4 2025 21:37 utc | 384
Well first import duties are usually negotiated between individual countries … Trump arbitrarily levied tariffs on the entire world without any negotiation … most of which contravene existing trade agreements … and many of which Trump negotiated himself during his last kick at the can.
This is viewed as a hostile act by most countries and if he broke agreements like this in his personal life he’d end up in court. Obviously just like people countries don’t appreciate being fucked over and get upset over getting a knife in the back.
Second Trump is outright lying about the levels of tariffs other countries level against the USA and neglects to mention US existing tariffs. If he did that as an individual he would be guilty of financial fraud which further upsets countries who don’t appreciate being slandered by a convicted felon.
Countries end up with the political leadership they deserve. Enjoy the next 4 years.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 5 2025 12:19 utc | 393

‘Reciprocal Tariffs’: Mickey Mouse Maths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWhv-06DNjE
“The bizarre way Trump’s team calculated reciprocal tariffs.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 5 2025 13:22 utc | 394

Posted by: Menz | Apr 5 2025 10:29 utc | 393
#########
US states cannot have independent foreign policies.
A civil war was fought with hundreds of thousands dead to establish federal supremacy.
Sounds like Democrat cope/propaganda.
That’s as likely as California seceding from the United States, which would also trigger a war.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 5 2025 14:25 utc | 395

“My own view is that the US is bankrupt (Debt 200% plus of GDP) and Trump was allowed the come to power due to his own experience of debt re-organization. (12 bankruptcies) . The haste in their actions is due to the gravity of the actual debt situation. ….
Posted by: Down South | Apr 3 2025 11:09 utc | 38
Excellent post. My initial reaction was “Oh, it must be really worse than we think, they are broke.” I also think the fire and brimstone fear of Brics precipitated this somewhat flawed calculation. But the UAW is cheering and that is what counts.

Posted by: Stierlitz | Apr 5 2025 18:54 utc | 396

“Why do they [Lesotho] export so little? Again this is an extremely poor country where 56.2% of the population lives with less than $3.65 a day (https://databankfiles.worldbank.org/public/…), i.e. $1,300 a year. They simply can’t afford U.S. products, no-one is going to buy an iPhone or a Tesla on that sort of income…”
It can be that Lesothans buy US goods, but they do not import them, they lack ports and they have a custom union with surrounding South Africa, so a store in Lesotho get foreign goods from a wholesaler in South Africa, and such transactions were not reported as international trade. But goods from a factory in Lesotho are marked as such, hence the recorded export.
For that matter, in the maze of “re-exports”, the country of origin is not always determined so the origin is attributed to the country where the owner of the goods is “located”. I remember that before Poland joined EU, the largest export per capita to Poland was from Lichtenstein where many companies were “located”, i.e. own mail boxes and such. So don’t be surprised if US will see imports from an island habitated only by sea birds and penguins (penguin rate being 10% which will be, comparatively, a bargain).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 5 2025 19:29 utc | 397

Most here have long suspected the West including Trump, are reduced to just 1 way out. We can deduce 2 main factions supporting the neo-Nazis (the Baltics parasites can be safely ignored).
The UK/France faction are going with the “boots on the ground” option with Zaluzhny as point man. Poland’s thought bubble floated re purchasing Odessa is riffing along this theme.
Then there’s the US choice, Yulia.
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Russia is going for unconditional surrender in a very subtle way.
So, why bother with the ongoing “negotiations” some might ask? Well children, the answer is simple.
The very fact that the US has to talk to Russia is a win. How much of a win is what Russia is currently working on.
Subtly.

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 5 2025 21:53 utc | 398

@ 400, wrong thread, sorry.

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 5 2025 21:57 utc | 399

The tariffs are not to Make America Great Again or to bring industry back to America its reason is to crash the economy and when everything is bad and the public is complaining the Trump administration will ask the Federal Reserve to drastically reduce interest rates (which they will have to do) and then the Trump Administration hopes the economy will jumpstart with very low interest rates and the S&P will rise to new heights and all will be great again ( even if it’s only superficial growth, artificially held up by debt through low interest rates) but Americans will be happy as they can spend again and the Trump Administration will take credit for making America Great Again and back in debt. Just see how Scott Bessent talks unfazed by the drastic drop in the markets to a Bloomberg reporter, as if he is not worried about markets, as if he expected that drastic reaction to happen, almost as if he planned it. Trump lies -Federal reserve was never audited, Fort Knox wasn’t opened and its gold supply audited on TV as promised, military funding increased just within the first 100 days INCREASING the national debt.
Watch Scott Bessent talk in the Bloomberg tv interview outside the White House and decide.
Trump is forcing the hand of the Fed in lowering interest and the real victims here is the American public. The ultra wealthy are putting their money into cash to take advantages of opportunities, such as cheap assets due bankruptcy sales, and financial hardship during the crash. The average American will suffer the hardest and very hard, but Trump doesn’t care as Tump used them just to get reelected.

Posted by: Imaybecrazybut | Apr 6 2025 14:41 utc | 400